Re: [WSG] proper image-content-image markup

[Marko Mrdjenovic]

use Title 
and you also gain by adding permalinks to section headers :)


if you can use pauls solution (with only 2 images) you can use h2 and a 
and you don't even have any meaningless markup...


otherwise just use spans inside h2 elements surrounding the text.

Marko Mrdjenovic
friedcellcollective.net

Brian Cummiskey wrote:


Hi All,

I have a template from a designer for a background image to go behind 
the H2 category tags on a new layout.  It has distinct fixed left, 
center repeating (depending on text length), and fixed right portions to 
it.

(something like this:   ==text===Y)

Which is the more proper way to mark this up?


Foo1

vs.

Foo2

vs

Foo3


Or, are the better options that don't use useless empty tags that hold 
nothing more than a style attribute for the background image?

The page markup looks like this:


   Title>/h2>
   


So, there's no other div's hanging around the h2 that I can shove this 
into.


Appreciate the suggestions, thanks!

-Brian





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Re: [WSG] Css menu (not navigation)

[Kim Kruse]

Just what I was looking for. Thanks a lot :)

Have a great weekend
Kim

Janette Girod wrote:
Hi Kim, 


Here's a nice use of definition lists to style a menu:
"How to style a restaurant menu with CSS"
http://web-graphics.com/mtarchive/001622.php

It looks like there's also some microformat menu
activity going on at http://microformats.org/ .

Cheers, 
Janette


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Hi,

I remember seeing  a sample of a "elastic" tableless
menu for a 
restaurant looking something like this


Item 



description.price
  

123
Item 



description.price
  

456
Item 



description.price
  

789

If anyone knows where this sample is located or have
an idea how to 
accomplish this I would love to hear about it.


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Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

[Ross Bruniges]

very true indeed - thankfully our IT manager let me have admin rights on my 
first day :>

lets be honest the first thing I did was download iTunes and y! messenger but 
AFTER that I got the important stuff.

definately can't let anyone download anything they want though - that would be 
chaos!

- Original Message 
From: Mark Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Friday, 4 August, 2006 9:34:31 AM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

L-J Lacey wrote:
> I know it seems incredible, but there are many large
> businesses that I know of that will only allow IE to
> be used. I was as shocked as you but on further
> investigation into one such organisation it seemed to
> be a matter of cost as the users didn't have
> permission to download any programmes/software/etc so
> IT would have to come round to everyone's machine
> individually to install it.
> 
> and that would cost money
> 
> pants excuse I think...but these kind of organisations
> won't listen to any sort of reason!
> 

We-ell, having been an IT manager in my time, 90% of your user base in a 
big company is less than technically ept, to say the least, and half the 
rest just want to load up Kazaa so they can download music. Most large 
organizations I know of lock down the desktop to minimize damage.

It's frustrating when you're one of the few  who is capable of 
downloading useful stuff and maintaining your own machine, but IT 
managers are responsible for any illegal software found on the network, 
and they'll get a right bollocking if an audit finds porn on some 
tosser's system as well.

It's the exceptions that are the expensive items in terms of support. If 
everyone runs the same desktop, it can be a lot simpler to maintain.

The IT managers who have my respect are the ones who recognize that not 
all users are created equally and can make exceptions that help the 
business. But then, I don't respect that many IT managers :-p

cheers

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RE: [WSG] Float Clearing Problem - First item clears sidebar???

[Richard Lake]

Thanks 
Ian, works a treat in everything that I can test on!

  -Original Message-From: 
  listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On 
  Behalf Of Ian PounceySent: Saturday, 5 August 2006 12:47 
  a.m.To: wsgSubject: Re: [WSG] Float Clearing Problem - 
  First item clears sidebar???Richard Lake wrote:> 
  Help needed> > See http://www.pricklypair.co.nz/rocket1/products.php?dept=cakes> 
  > All works well as long as the first product's height pushes it past 
  the> sidebar. Where this doesn't occur the second product doesn't start 
  until> after the sidebar. I've experienced this problem id IE6, FF1.5 
  and O8.5> > The structure is roughly> > Div 
  product>   Floated Image>   Div product_text> 
      Table>   end Div product_text>   br 
  clear both> end Div product> > Css validates, HTML 
  validates apart from some errors caused by PHP inserting> hidden input 
  fields outside the div.> > I've tried display: table-cell and 
  that solves the clearing problem but the> product div is only as wide 
  as it needs to be.> > Can anyone suggest a solution?> 
  > Thanks> > RichardSimple fix, but I've only 
  tested in Firefox. Float the content right..content {  color: 
  #636363;  margin: .75em 0 .75em .75em;  float: 
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Re: [WSG] Float Clearing Problem - First item clears sidebar???

[Ian Pouncey]

Richard Lake wrote:> Help needed
> 
> See http://www.pricklypair.co.nz/rocket1/products.php?dept=cakes
> 
> All works well as long as the first product's height pushes it past the
> sidebar. Where this doesn't occur the second product doesn't start until
> after the sidebar. I've experienced this problem id IE6, FF1.5 and O8.5
> 
> The structure is roughly
> 
> Div product
>   Floated Image
>   Div product_text
>     Table
>   end Div product_text
>   br clear both
> end Div product
> 
> Css validates, HTML validates apart from some errors caused by PHP inserting
> hidden input fields outside the div.
> 
> I've tried display: table-cell and that solves the clearing problem but the
> product div is only as wide as it needs to be.
> 
> Can anyone suggest a solution?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> RichardSimple fix, but I've only tested in Firefox. Float the content right..content {  color: #636363;  margin: .75em 0 .75em .75em;  float: right;}Ian.

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[WSG] Float Clearing Problem - First item clears sidebar???

[Richard Lake]

Help needed

See http://www.pricklypair.co.nz/rocket1/products.php?dept=cakes

All works well as long as the first product's height pushes it past the
sidebar. Where this doesn't occur the second product doesn't start until
after the sidebar. I've experienced this problem id IE6, FF1.5 and O8.5

The structure is roughly

Div product
  Floated Image
  Div product_text
Table
  end Div product_text
  br clear both
end Div product

Css validates, HTML validates apart from some errors caused by PHP inserting
hidden input fields outside the div.

I've tried display: table-cell and that solves the clearing problem but the
product div is only as wide as it needs to be.

Can anyone suggest a solution?

Thanks

Richard





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Re: [WSG] Semantic usage of th

[Ben Buchanan]

So are you suggesting that scope should only be used in that case?  Or
should we be putting scope on all of our s to spell it out as best we
can?


No, I'd recommend using them all the time. It's a simple habit change, really.

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Re: [WSG] Semantic usage of th

[Seb Frost]

So are you suggesting that scope should only be used in that case?  Or should we be putting scope on all of our s to spell it out as best we can?
On 04/08/06, Ben Buchanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I understand the  tag should be used on the items in the top row, butI'd describe it a bit differently - the th tag should be used for any
cell which is a heading for other cells. After that it's justfollowing the logic through :) The scope attribute removes ambiguityof the top left cell.cheers,Ben- <
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Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

[L-J Lacey]

Mark, I agree with you 100%. I understand why the IT
teams have to do it, but wish they'd have a little
leeway at times (ie when a non pleb wants to use
something a lot better than IE).

> The IT managers who have my respect are the ones who
> recognize that not 
> all users are created equally and can make
> exceptions that help the 
> business. But then, I don't respect that many IT
> managers :-p
> 
> cheers
> 
> Mark Harris
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Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

[Mark Harris]

L-J Lacey wrote:

I know it seems incredible, but there are many large
businesses that I know of that will only allow IE to
be used. I was as shocked as you but on further
investigation into one such organisation it seemed to
be a matter of cost as the users didn't have
permission to download any programmes/software/etc so
IT would have to come round to everyone's machine
individually to install it.

and that would cost money

pants excuse I think...but these kind of organisations
won't listen to any sort of reason!



We-ell, having been an IT manager in my time, 90% of your user base in a 
big company is less than technically ept, to say the least, and half the 
rest just want to load up Kazaa so they can download music. Most large 
organizations I know of lock down the desktop to minimize damage.


It's frustrating when you're one of the few  who is capable of 
downloading useful stuff and maintaining your own machine, but IT 
managers are responsible for any illegal software found on the network, 
and they'll get a right bollocking if an audit finds porn on some 
tosser's system as well.


It's the exceptions that are the expensive items in terms of support. If 
everyone runs the same desktop, it can be a lot simpler to maintain.


The IT managers who have my respect are the ones who recognize that not 
all users are created equally and can make exceptions that help the 
business. But then, I don't respect that many IT managers :-p


cheers

Mark Harris


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Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

[dwain . alford]

L-J Lacey wrote:

I know it seems incredible, but there are many large
businesses that I know of that will only allow IE to
be used. I was as shocked as you but on further
investigation into one such organisation it seemed to
be a matter of cost as the users didn't have
permission to download any programmes/software/etc so
IT would have to come round to everyone's machine
individually to install it.

and that would cost money

pants excuse I think...but these kind of organisations
won't listen to any sort of reason!


hp is one of them.
dwain


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Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

[L-J Lacey]

I know it seems incredible, but there are many large
businesses that I know of that will only allow IE to
be used. I was as shocked as you but on further
investigation into one such organisation it seemed to
be a matter of cost as the users didn't have
permission to download any programmes/software/etc so
IT would have to come round to everyone's machine
individually to install it.

and that would cost money

pants excuse I think...but these kind of organisations
won't listen to any sort of reason!

L-J

--- Nick Gleitzman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> SunUp wrote:

> >  I've had an enormous struggle getting our
> > department permission to use Firefox, and the rest
> of the staff here
> > (3000-odd people) don't have a choice because the
> Firefox site is
> > banned.
> 
> Banned?! What for? What kind of nazis *are* these
> people? Is this some 
> kind of perceived security issue? And when you say
> the FF site, do you 
> mean using FF as a browser?



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