Re: AW: Newbie questions
...and our learnings... 1) don't edit down the facts too far when asking for help. You may edit out essential information, or get potentially helpful people to concentrate on a different problem. 2) find a nice way to say RTFM. Calling a question stupid onlist and implying that posting a question is a waste of time is not a good way to come across as helpful. Douglas E Wegscheid Lead Technical Analyst, Whirlpool Corporation (269)-923-5278 A wrong note played hesitatingly is a wrong note. A wrong note played with conviction is interpretation. John El jo...@mailinator.com wrote on 04/09/2009 11:32:36 PM: To: Edward Perhaps I did get bent out of shape, but I do think my question had merit. I suppose my mistake was in not explaining that there was no obvious place for the fatal log to go, but it had to be going somewhere because another system that I don't have access to was reporting on it. RTFM? And non trivial? I had looked in a lot of places for some info on this and found nothing, I posted here for some help and was told the question was dumb. To: Douglas I ran some similar tests, it's how I added the string that I grep'ed for. I would be inclined to think that a different configuration was getting picked up that's what I thought too, but it turned out to be a little more complicated than that. I was finally able to track down the guy that set it up in the first place and his explanation was convoluted. It's a very clever set up, but, in a lot of ways it's too clever, and completely un-documented. I'd like to tell you but then I'll just get more posts saying 'oh, of course that's how it was done! I could have told you that'. I feel bad for not telling you but it was hard work figuring it, if it comes up for someone else, I'll leave it to be hard work for them. To: Daniel MAYBE the person should read up on the basics first? Like I said above I looked everywhere for an explanation of this, perhaps it is basic, but I still haven't found any documentation on this kind of set up. If you want to run without an appender fine. You could even try to run log4j with no setup, or even no downloaded jars... don't expect it to work well though. Again, the system runs, the motorcycle has gas and an engine, it has a set up, it has downloaded jars and it's not coasting down a hill. It works. To: Matt This was just a snippet, I could have posted the whole file but I think I would have got the same response. The rest of the file declares some appenders, and categories but nothing that obviously directs to the fatal log. Thanks for the link. It is actually one of my main resources. To: Bender Henri I know you think my question was dumb, and a waste of your time because you think I didn't research it enough. I think you're wrong. As far as I can tell my situation is not in the documentation. If I ever find it in the docs I'll post it and eat crow. To: All I'm very sorry to have wasted your time. I just didn't understand how it could possibly work without all the obvious things that the documentation says is required. Now I do. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Newbie- questions-tp22938434p22982589.html Sent from the Log4j - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: log4j-user-unsubscr...@logging.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: log4j-user-h...@logging.apache.org
AW: Newbie questions
If you do not specify any appender, your log message will go nowhere. Please read first the basics about log4j, before asking such dumb questions. Search the web for log4j tutorial and you will find tons of instructions and examples. Heri -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: John El [mailto:jo...@mailinator.com] Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. April 2009 23:15 An: log4j-user@logging.apache.org Betreff: [SPAM (Bayesain Analysis)] - Newbie questions - Bayesian Filter detected spam can someone tell me where fatal messages go if this is in my config file? root priority value=fatal/ /root also can someone point me to a resource that describes all the potential arguments in this file for category and appender xml elements? TIA John -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Newbie-questions-tp22938434p22938434.html Sent from the Log4j - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: log4j-user-unsubscr...@logging.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: log4j-user-h...@logging.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: log4j-user-unsubscr...@logging.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: log4j-user-h...@logging.apache.org
Re: AW: Newbie questions
Thanks for your no help at all. There is no appender, and I've found the log by running grep over all the likely files, and by grepping that file name I've found where the log file is set. I've searched the documentation for this kind of set up and found nothing. I've found info on properties files and the most useful thing I've found about using an xml file for log4j configuration was a blog where the guy says that there doesn't seem to be a good source of info on this. My questions may have been dumb, but you weren't smart enough to provide an answer. I can't imagine why you bothered to reply to my post if you had nothing of value to add. Lots of spare time? A feeling of superiority when you call my question dumb? Can't be that because you don't seem superior enough to have an answer. One more dumb question for you. If you're so smart, where did I find the set up for the fatal log? And why? I know the answers now, but do you? Bender Heri wrote: If you do not specify any appender, your log message will go nowhere. Please read first the basics about log4j, before asking such dumb questions. Search the web for log4j tutorial and you will find tons of instructions and examples. Heri -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Newbie-questions-tp22938434p22975234.html Sent from the Log4j - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: log4j-user-unsubscr...@logging.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: log4j-user-h...@logging.apache.org
Re: AW: Newbie questions
One more dumb question for you. If you're so smart, where did I find
the
set up for the fatal log? And why?
I would have had to agree with Bender's statement that logging with no
appenders makes the logging go nowhere, and I put together a test case to
make sure:
the program:
import org.apache.log4j.Logger;
public class TestNoAppenders {
public static void main (String[] args) {
System.setProperty(log4j.debug, true);
System.setProperty(log4j.configuration,
file:log4j-noappender.xml);
Logger logger = Logger.getLogger(foo);
logger.info(hello);
}
}
the configuration:
?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8 ?
!DOCTYPE log4j:configuration SYSTEM log4j.dtd
log4j:configuration xmlns:log4j=http://jakarta.apache.org/log4j/; debug=
true
root
priority value=INFO /
/root
/log4j:configuration
The output to stdout/stderr:
log4j: Using URL [file:log4j-noappender.xml] for automatic log4j
configuration.
log4j: Preferred configurator class: org.apache.log4j.xml.DOMConfigurator
log4j: System property is :null
log4j: Standard DocumentBuilderFactory search succeded.
log4j: DocumentBuilderFactory is:
org.apache.crimson.jaxp.DocumentBuilderFactoryImpl
log4j: debug attribute= true.
log4j: reset attribute= false.
log4j: Threshold =null.
log4j: Level value for root is [INFO].
log4j: root level set to INFO
log4j:WARN No appenders could be found for logger (foo).
log4j:WARN Please initialize the log4j system properly.
which is exactly what experience has lead me to expect (I have seen the
last two lines about a bajillion times in my life...), and Bender's
statement is quite accurate for the information given...
so now my curiousity is up: where *did* you find your output? if it showed
up anywhere, I would be inclined to think that a different configuration
was getting picked up...
Re: AW: Newbie questions
Don't get bent out of shape when you decide to post this kind of question to a public forum and you get the kind of response you did. A lot of people monitor these forums to pick up information, to get help with problems, and/or help people with legitimate. It's quite understandable why people get irritated at those that can't be bothered to do a bit of homework to discover basic information. Too much of this kind of noise discourages knowledgeable people from monitoring these forums. RTFM next time and save this forum for non-trivial questions. On Thu, 2009-04-09 at 10:02 -0700, John El wrote: Thanks for your no help at all. There is no appender, and I've found the log by running grep over all the likely files, and by grepping that file name I've found where the log file is set. I've searched the documentation for this kind of set up and found nothing. I've found info on properties files and the most useful thing I've found about using an xml file for log4j configuration was a blog where the guy says that there doesn't seem to be a good source of info on this. My questions may have been dumb, but you weren't smart enough to provide an answer. I can't imagine why you bothered to reply to my post if you had nothing of value to add. Lots of spare time? A feeling of superiority when you call my question dumb? Can't be that because you don't seem superior enough to have an answer. One more dumb question for you. If you're so smart, where did I find the set up for the fatal log? And why? I know the answers now, but do you? Bender Heri wrote: If you do not specify any appender, your log message will go nowhere. Please read first the basics about log4j, before asking such dumb questions. Search the web for log4j tutorial and you will find tons of instructions and examples. Heri
