Re: The List

[Jonathan Stowe]

uOn Wed, 13 Dec 2000, David Cantrell wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 11:23:38AM +, Michael Stevens wrote:
> 
> > I seem to recall a certain proposal that a mailing list manager be
> > written in postscript, and run on a suitable net connected printer.
> 
> I seem to recall I was drunk at the time.
>

Not unsurprising :)
 
> BTW, js - could you alias london.pm and london-pm?
> 

london.pm is now an alias to london-pm for *sending only* only london-pm
will work when you make a request of majordomo.

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Re: Forwarded : RE: [Tottenham] Preview la-di-da-da

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Greg McCarroll wrote:

> 
> look what started without my involvement on the spurs mailing list ...

You sure there was *no* involvement on your part ?

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Re: The List

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Philip Newton wrote:

> David Cantrell wrote:
> [about majordomo] 
> > Mutter mutter fscking substandard perl software.  We probably 
> > *could* do a better job in Postscript.
> 
> "Perl 4" ne "Perl". "Perl 4" eq "rotten, flea-bitten camel carcass". "Perl
> 5" eq "Perl".
> 
> Or something like that.

I'm still looking for time to start

POE::Component::Mail


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Re: Forwarded : RE: [Tottenham] Preview la-di-da-da

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Greg McCarroll wrote:

> * Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > look what started without my involvement on the spurs mailing list ...
> > 
> > You sure there was *no* involvement on your part ?
> > 
> 
> none i have never mentioned her buffsterness on the list, i am present
> on the list, but i dont think i spread heresies just by being on a list
> 

*You* observed it so it occurred.  A Quantum theory of mailling lists.

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RE: The List

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Jon Galliers wrote:

> potentially a very dumb question, but how does someone now subscribe to the
> london-pm list. Is it the same as:-
>   subscribe london-list
> to
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 

subscribe london-list

to

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: The List

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Paul Makepeace wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 10:19:14AM +0000, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
> > You may or may not have noticed that the server that hosts the London.pm
> > mailing list has bit the dust.  A Cabal have decided that in the interim
> > we should resurrect the list on another server.  This is that resurrected
> > list.
> 
> 
> If you like, I can host it on euro.pm.org which has a nice fast
> connection. Of course, you'd have to suffer it being in Python
> (mailman).
> 
Cheers Paul,

This is likely to be only an interim thing anyhow until penderel is ready
to do the job,  so I guess that as long as everyone is relatively happy
we'll minimize the inconvenience and keep it here for the time being.

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Re: me-commerce

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, jo walsh wrote:

> 
> desperately seeking open-source, perl ecommerce application.
> 

Sorry, the one at http://www.shop.dircon.net is homemade ... largely
Mason.

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Re: bad joke

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Greg McCarroll wrote:

> 
> saw this bad joke today ...
> 
> what outfit do programmers wear on halloween?
> 
> a santa clause outfit
> 
> why?
> 
> Because 31 Oct is really the same as 25 Dec...  
> 

Grep has sold his soul to Santa ...

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Re: Compare and Contrast

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Simon Wistow wrote:

> 
> Anyway, one is an email claiming that a t-shirt will destroy years of
> work getting Perl accepted by American corporations and the other is a
> widely read Web techniques column by the same author at
> http://www.stonehenge.com/perl/amihooternot
> 
> Failing to see why t-shirts were offensive now.
> 

I am beginning to wonder if it is possible to reconstruct this exchange
from the beginning - there are obviously things being crossposted out of
(void) that I never saw.  Maybe we ought to get this all in one big
archive.

>From the YaPc::Europe list


--being quoted message--

>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Dec 15 19:55:53 2000
Date: 07 Jul 2000 09:26:42 -0700
From: Randal L. Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Aaron Trevena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: Void <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Kevin Lenzo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
 Yapc Europe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
 London-Pm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: (void) Re: Come and Get It (x-posted)

>>>>> "Aaron" == Aaron Trevena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Aaron> Most of the perl and new media developers on the mailing lists
Aaron> think that these slogans represent us. I certainly feel it
Aaron> represents me.

Aaron> Its not rude or obscene, its definately contempory and I would
Aaron> rather be represented by that than something like perly kings
Aaron> and queens or some other appalling puns.

I'll state a clear disagreement.  The Orange YAPC-Europe shirt is
nice, but as a founding board member of PM (and currently the elected
"perl advocate" role in such), I take offense to the other two shirts.

I do not want them in any way shape or form associated with
YAPC::Europe or YAS, and will do everything I can to ensure that.

If that's not immediately resolved, I will personally withdraw from my
participation in YAPC::Europe, and encourage others to do so on which
I have an influence.

At a minimum, they will set back our effort to have Perl accepted in
Corporate America, undoing a lot of the advocacy work that we've done
over the years.

Please kids... keep in mind that you have many audiences, and you just
offended the ones with the bucks, and that's where your IPOs come
from.

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RE: Re: Donation..

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Dave Cross wrote:

> 
> From: "David H. Adler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 12/20/00 4:28:42 PM
> 
> >On Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 02:01:21PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> >> 
> >> didn't you just have a panto in the states, i seem to 
> >> remember that gore played tweedle-dee and bush played 
> >> tweedle-_dumb_
> >
> > I thought panto was supposed to be fun...
> 
> You haven't _seen_ a real panto have you?
> 
> Dave...
> [oh no you haven't]

[oh yes he has]

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Re: Donation..

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Robin Szemeti wrote:

> On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, you wrote:
> 
> > didn't you just have a panto in the states, i seem to remember that
> > gore played tweedle-dee and bush played tweedle-_dumb_
> 
> perl -pi -e'/didn't you just have/aren't you having for the next few
> years/'
> 
> I just think its a bit odd that out of XXX million people .. purely by
> chance, the current president is the brother of the one before last ...
> 

Er, son.

Also bear in mind that the governor of florida is his brother.

> ooh .. stop it .. its getting all political .. ;))
> 

That's not political its observation.

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Re: new years eve

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Thu, 28 Dec 2000, Greg McCarroll wrote:

> 
> our new years plan has come unravelled, does anyone still not have any
> plans and wants to get together?
> 

Feel free to come down here and have excess with us - my mobile is :

  0771 562 1707

We will probably only be going to the pub ...

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Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Richard Clamp wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:00:54PM +, Roger Burton West wrote:
> > On or about Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 04:44:20PM +, Mark Fowler typed:
> > 
> > >4. Mission Impossible.
> > 
> > Only if you don't know or didn't like the original - or if you can have
> > your brain rewired so that you don't remember it.
> 
> The original Mission Impossible series, though good when I saw it at the
> tender age of 14 is the dullest most pointless thing possible to watch.
> 
> Apart from 2001 that is.
> 

Unbelievable but true, 2001 is the Radio 4 'Book at Bedtime' this week.

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Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Mark Fowler wrote:

> > Where might be a good place to look for a copy of the film.
> 
> U.H.F.?  Simon has a copy off of TV which we could dub to a spare VHS
> tape.
> 

Wheel of Fish 

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Re: blibble

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Fri, 5 Jan 2001, Michael Stevens wrote:

> You know you're drunk when, faced with the problem of getting through
> an underground ticket gate, you get out your house keys and start fiddling
> with them looking for the right one.
> 


Look you can operate a computer and type coherently, it can't be all that
bad :)

And fuck me I'm at work ....

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RE: Forthcoming Meetings - Summary

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote:
>
> p.s. Roger, I have set up a .sig containing the .sig separator, but Outlook
> insists on putting it at the top of replies! I'll try to remember to add it
> manually until I can come up with a less frustrating solution.
> 

Get Pine for windows - it can read exchange mail just fine.  Though I'm
sure we've been here before.

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Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat wormdiscovered

[Jonathan Stowe]

On 19 Jan 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:

> David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > And the UK doesn't have high water tables (in some places and not in others,
> > just like anywhere else) or vicious weather (again, in some places not in
> > others, just like anywhere else).  But it strikes me as being absurd that I
> > hear EVERY YEAR of the power going out for large areas of major cities in
> > .us, something which just doesn't happen in Europe.
> 
> It should be mandatory for all public servants to be adept at Sim
> City.

Thats where I went wrong when I was working in the public sector - I used
to play Duke Nukem all the time :)

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Re: Hardware Upgrade Fund

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote:

> At Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:10:26 + (GMT), alex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
> > > Anyone fancy it?
> > 
> > I forgot to mention, I offered to do this before, and that offer still
> > stands.
> 
> Alex,
> 
> Thanks for the offer. I'm more that happy to take you up on it.
> 
> How soon do you think you can have a list of the kinds of hardware that
> you want to buy? That would give us an estimate of how many new donors
> we're looking for.
> 

ISTR that I *was* originally signed up to pay for the server in the first
place but for some reason failed to do so I would be quite happy to chip
in the odd £50.00 this time.

If anyone needs some help organizing as well let me know.

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Re: Hardware Upgrade Fund

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:

> * Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > At Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:34:11 +, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > [upgrading penderel]
> > 
> > > What's the current specs of the machine? (Just out of interest)
> > 
> > I'm not sure. I don't think I've ever known this. I'm hoping that 
> > someone woh a) bought it or b) is sitting next to it will be able to
> > leap in with this information.
> 
> [gem@penderel gem]$ df -h
> FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
> /dev/sda6 3.9G  879M  2.8G  24% /
> /dev/sda1 7.6M  2.9M  4.2M  41% /boot
> 

OK that'll be another disk or two then - if there are going to be a number
of accounts on the machine then I would suggest /home should be a separate
disk.  I would vote for separate /usr /usr/local and /var partitions too.

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Re: Oh! Idea for penderel!

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote:

> At Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:52:54 -, "Jonathan Peterson" 
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > Could we create domains for every user and then put the zone files in 
> > each person's home dir, with a SUID script to kick named?
> > 
> > Then I could have *.jon.penderel.state51.co.uk and be able to quickly 
> > create names and mx records for things when I need to, which is 
> > surprisingly often. Everyone would get 
> > $USERNAME.penderel.state51.co.uk
> 
> Sounds like a fun idea to me, but then IANABOFH, so what do I know :)
> 
> > I'm happy to set this up if anyone is interested (although, frankly, 
> > you'd be mad to let me anywhere near a root password and a copy of 
> > bind)
> 
> Yep. Bind scares me too. You can do Really Bad Things with it.
> 
> Speaking of DNS, did we ever hear anything from the pm.org DNS people?
> 

Not from my initial e-mail - I have fired off another today and hope that
we might get some action.

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Re: Oh! Idea for penderel!

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote:

> At Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:52:54 -, "Jonathan Peterson" 
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > Could we create domains for every user and then put the zone files in 
> > each person's home dir, with a SUID script to kick named?
> > 
> > Then I could have *.jon.penderel.state51.co.uk and be able to quickly 
> > create names and mx records for things when I need to, which is 
> > surprisingly often. Everyone would get 
> > $USERNAME.penderel.state51.co.uk
> 
> Sounds like a fun idea to me, but then IANABOFH, so what do I know :)
> 

If this is being considered  perhaps we ought to get the london.pm.org
subdomain delegated to penderel as well - this will allow us to fuck
things up on our own without having to worry the pm.org dns person .

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Re: Holy War

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote:

> When I got home last night there were two big boxes from Dell waiting
> in the middle of the lounge. This is my new 1400 Mhz Pentium IV, 
> 256 Mb Turbo Bastard Nutter machine.
> 
> One of the (many) advantages of having a new box is that I'll be able
> to do a completely fresh Linux install for the first time for many 
> years. My current box has been upgraded thru every version of Red Hat
> since (I think) 4.1 to its current 7.0.
> 


The only thing I have to say on the matter is that if you want to run any
sort of 'Commercial' software on the machine you might well have to stick
to Red Hat unless you want to go for a lot of fiddling around -  The
availability of the Informix stuff was basically the determining factor
for the choice of distribution for the laptop - but thats me :)

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Re: Holy War

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Robert Shiels wrote:

> Apart from the games perhaps, I'm just wondering what a PIV1400Mhz will do
> that a PII350 wouldn't :-) What was your inner justification for getting
> such a monster machine Dave?
> 

Some people buy Ferraris.

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Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat wormdiscovered

[Jonathan Stowe]

On 19 Jan 2001, Piers Cawley wrote:
> 
> Put me down for that. Might bring Gill as well. 
> 

It seems like every tom dick and harry's other half is called Gill around
here :)

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Re: TPC5

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, Andrew Bowman wrote:
> 
> There are also a number of large and large-ish venues in London offering a
> variety of halls and facilities, e.g. Earls Court, Olympia, Wembley
> Conference Centre[1], The Business Design Centre in Islington, The Royal
> Horticultural Halls, Queen Elizabeth Conference Hall, Church House (or
> whatever it's called) etc. etc.
> 

ISPcon europe was in the Novotel at Hammersmith in 1999 ISTR

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RE: TPC5

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, Jonathan Peterson wrote:

> > > If you're prepared to consider locations a little out of
> > central London
> > > there are lots of large hotels around Heathrow that have
> > sizeable conference
> > > type facilities (also handy for the airport!).
> >
> > FWIW, I know my mother has booked some largish meetings outside of
> > London.  Of course, I don't remember offhand how large, or, for that
> > matter, what kind of numbers you're looking at.
> 
> Go to Brighton. It's nicer than London, on the sea, easy to get to from
> Gatwick, and has more pubs per head of population than any other town in
> Britain (I think, or maybe it was more pubs per square mile). It has
> conference facilities for all sizes (although I've no idea how booked up
> they get). And it's 55 minutes from London by train.
> 

And its handy for me.

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Re: TPC5

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, David H. Adler wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 11:28:06PM -, Andrew Bowman wrote:
> > From: "Nathan Torkington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Timing in London is hard, because there aren't very many hotels
> > > capable of supporting such an event.  It's quite amazing to us, in
> > > fact, how difficult it has been to find a place to hold it in London.
> > 
> > What sort of numbers are we talking about then?
> > 
> > If you're prepared to consider locations a little out of central London
> > there are lots of large hotels around Heathrow that have sizeable conference
> > type facilities (also handy for the airport!).
> 
> FWIW, I know my mother has booked some largish meetings outside of
> London.  Of course, I don't remember offhand how large, or, for that
> matter, what kind of numbers you're looking at.
> 

Well there's Blackpool, Brighton, Eastbourne, Bournemouth, Harrogate,
Birmingham ...  (spot the odd one out :)

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Re: Perl/MySQL based forums

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, Aaron Trevena wrote:

> On 21 Jan 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
> 
> > Dave Hodgkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > 
> > > Michael Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > 
> > > > On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 01:33:09PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > > > > * Dave Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > > > > No, I'm not going to code a forum package by hand. 
> > > > > go on dave, it cant be that hard 
> > > > 
> > > > Having done it a few times, it *isn't* that hard...
> > > 
> > > I'm playing with mwforum right now. Seems OK.
> > 
> > Aside from all the inline HTML.
> > 
> > ARGH! When will people learn!
> 
> I was in the process of converting it to TT when i lost a load of my work
> at oven (forgot to follwo symlinks when I tar gzipped home).
> 

I always had that problem until I stuffed everything in CVS :)

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Re: Perl/MySQL based forums

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> * Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, Aaron Trevena wrote:
> > > On 21 Jan 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
> > > > Dave Hodgkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > > > Michael Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > > > > On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 01:33:09PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > > > > > > * Dave Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > > > > > > No, I'm not going to code a forum package by hand. 
> > > > > > > go on dave, it cant be that hard 
> > > > > > Having done it a few times, it *isn't* that hard...
> > > > > I'm playing with mwforum right now. Seems OK.
> > > > Aside from all the inline HTML.
> > > > ARGH! When will people learn!
> > > I was in the process of converting it to TT when i lost a load of my work
> > > at oven (forgot to follwo symlinks when I tar gzipped home).
> > I always had that problem until I stuffed everything in CVS :)
> it's a sign of how we have not moved away from the current computing
> metaphor to something else - boo to filesystems bring on object storage!

Its a sign that its time for Grep's drug test:)

Actually I do agree with you, but this stuff is still quite difficult to
implement using Open Source tools ... 

[ wondering how long we can keep the beautiful symmetry of the quoting ]

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Re: ArsDigita working practices (was: Big Macs v The Naked Chef --)

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, Michael Stevens wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 08:37:02PM +, Kieran Barry wrote:
> > TCL is used because its multithreaded. Perl 6 is going to be
> > multithreaded. It should be able to wipe TCL out.
> 
> I've never actually understood the appeal of threads. Why do
> people like them?
> 

Thats a trick question right ?

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Re: ArsDigita working practices (was: Big Macs v The Naked Chef --)

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> y* Michael Stevens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 09:05:43PM +, Michael Stevens wrote:
> > > Ok, it's trolling a bit, but their main use seems to be where
> > > you don't want to bother to do proper nonblocking IO...
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > They're apparently faster. And make it easier to share data.
> >
> aside from the whole LWP aspect, i think the main appeal is they are
> a defined art - unlike the matre'd/minicab controller element of 
> forked process management
> 
> we really want standardisation of technology interfaces in the industry,
> and threads go a little towards that - oh and a law that alows be to
> go around and shooting people who work in IT and i deep unworthy[1].
> 

Ah that'll be Grep pissed with his week then :)

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Re: Consultancy company- Where do you want to go?

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Roger Burton West wrote:

> On or about Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 10:44:11AM +, Neil Ford typed:
> 
> >That just has me conjering up images of turning up at a client site 
> >in a big black van (screeching tyres obligatory) and either leaping 
> >out laptops in hand or just unrollong some CAT5 and plugging into 
> >their network :-)
> 
> Wireless, shurely? Just drive by and connect to their LAN...
> 

What 'Drive-by Hacking' ?

You really need a low-rider chevvy and wear bandana round head for that
one. :)

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RE: Consultancy company

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Jonathan Peterson wrote:

> > > There is in fact Pareto's Law which says that 80% of
> > results come from
> > > 20% of work (or 10-90 or whatever the numbers don't really matter).
> > >
> >
> > Often, when I do something that I consider really easy and
> > spend little
> > effort on it, I get lots of really good feedback.
> 
> Glad I'm not the only one. I spend three days futzing around unable to get
> stuck into a problem, and then eventually manage a decent half days work to
> get it done before the deadline. Then, while I'm worrying about having
> wasted 2 1/2 days someone comes and says what a good document it was. I
> don't get it.
> 
> I wouldn't mind if it weren't for the way other people in the office seem to
> beaver away steadily.
> 

But in truth they are doing the same as you and think everyone else is
beavering away while they futz around.  I mean to a casual observer me
typing this message will appear to be legitimate work :) 

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Re: Hardware Upgrade Fund

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Philip Newton wrote:

> alex wrote:
> > I'd prefer to do it the other way round if you don't mind, and say you
> > have just one month to send a cheque for 50 pounds made out 
> > to C A McLean [1] to state51, 8 rhoda street, bethnal green, e2 7ef ,
> > or brought along to the next social or technical meeting.
> 
> Hm, random question -- is penderal just for London.pm members or might it
> conceivably be opened to a wider public? For example, what about honourary
> London.pm members such as dha?
> 

dha *is* a London.pm member - not honourary, (not honourable either :)
just a plain old member like everyone else - hfb, gnat, you, marcel and
everyone else who has washed up and stayed here - I don't think any
distinction is possible :) After all some of us only *work* in London.

> To come to the point, I might be interested in buying a share since I don't
> really have a decent machine anywhere else besides a shell account somewhere
> in California. And colocating a machine of my own seems a bit costly to me
> at the moment. However, I can imagine you might be wanting to keep penderel
> a London thingy, which is why I thought I'd ask.
> 

Go for it geezer - I can't think there would be any objection :)

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Re: Stupid Email

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Andy Wardley wrote:
> 
> Meanwhile, the usual bunch of know-nothing, self-important idiots with
> nothing better to do (i.e. failed middle management moved sideways to
> another middle managment position) starting sending replies to everyone
> demanding that they stop being sent duplicate copies of all these different
> emails.  cc'd to 'icl', of course, because the default (using OfficePower,
> a truly jank ICL middleware system) was to simply copy the To: and CC: list
> from the original message.
> 

OfficePower <*sigh*> I wrote an X.400 -> SMTP gateway for that once - in
Perl (4) of Course.

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Re: odd -w effect

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Robert Shiels wrote:

> From: "Jonathan Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> > > *nix is not the future. Something else entirely is.
> >
> > Yeah, BeOS. BeOS is the future. Which is to say BeOS _was_ the future. Oh
> > well.
> >
> > Jon, who thinks Windows workstation connected to *nix machine running samba
> > is the prefered development environment.
> 
> Strangely enough, thats exactly what I do at home. With Exceed for doing X
> stuff.
> 

I am using X-WIn32 right now.

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Re: perl code from cron

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Robert Shiels wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Stupid question, but a code snppet got posted to NY-PM last night, and I
> wanted to play with it. The problem I have is not understanding how to add
> this function (rcsw) to get it to run from cron, or indeed, to run. I've put
> the code in my ~/.bashrc file, am I on the right track ?
> 
> 
> 
> Here's the recursive version, which has more perl.  Run
> this out of cron once a week to remind you if you left any
> files locked somewhere in your development tree:
> 
> rcsw()
> {
>   perl -MFile::Find -e '
>  find(sub { push(@f, $File::Find::name) if /,v$/; }, @ARGV);
>  $/ = ";";
>  foreach $file (@f) {
>if (open(F, $file)) {
>  while () {
>if (/locks\s+(\S+);/ && $1) { print "$file\t$1\n"; last; }
>  }
>  close(F);
>} else {
>  warn "Could not read $file";
>}
>  }
>' $*
> }
> 

Nice.

Put the function in the top of a shell script and the call it with just
rcsw at some point after that (possibly after setting an appropriate
environment ) run the shell script from cron.

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Re: word processors

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Robin Szemeti wrote:

> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, you wrote:
> 
> > > Much as I love Computer Modern for technical work, using it for fiction
> > > would just be WRONG WRONG WRONG.
> 
> If you are interested, I have some technical documents that could also be
> called fiction ..  is it alright to use computer modern then??
> 

I certainly have some technical specifications that are largely fictional
- though the would probably be better rendered in something like Comic
Sans MS.


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Re: Another OScon Europe Sanity Check

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Nathan Torkington wrote:

> Cumberland Hotel (overlooks Hyde Park), October 16-19 (Tue-Fri).
> 
> Anyone see problems (clashes with other conferences, plans for riots
> that week, the Cumberland is famous for its urine cocktails, etc)?
> 

Sounds fine to me.

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List Archive ( was SUBSCRIBE london-list archive@jab.org (fwd))

[Jonathan Stowe]

For those that might be interested this was when mail-archive started
archiving london-list.

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-- Forwarded message --
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 07:11:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: SUBSCRIBE london-list archive@jab.org

--

archive@jab.org has been added to london-list.
No action is required on your part.

Re: Mailing List Archive

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:

> * Richard Clamp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 08:20:28PM +, Dave Cross wrote:
> > > It seems that mail-archive.com have been archiving our list for some
> > > time and anyone who knows about mail-archive can find anything posted
> > > to our list.
> > 
> > I've got no real problem with having my contributions publically archived,
> > the list being open to all anyway.
> > 
> > That said I would have liked to have been informed of it when subscribing to
> > the list (or for those of us that have been here for donkeys, when it
> > started getting archived,) just so that I could be sure it was happening.
> > 
> 
> how about if we notified the list everytime someone subscribed or 
> unsubscribed
> 

This can be done ver', ver' easily - It would also have the positive
benefit of breaking the ice for nervous lurkers.

If no-one objects I will put this in place this weekend.  I guess it will
result in ~ 10 excess messages a week.

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Re: Mailing List Archive

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Richard Clamp wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:50:35AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > * Richard Clamp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > That said I would have liked to have been informed of it when subscribing to
> > > the list (or for those of us that have been here for donkeys, when it
> > > started getting archived,) just so that I could be sure it was happening.
> >
> > how about if we notified the list everytime someone subscribed or 
> > unsubscribed
> 
> Eh, don't quite follow.
> 

I think the point is that the circumstance of this list being archived
without people knowing about it would not have arisen - well they could
ignore the message but they would have no excuse for not knowing.  People
can then make their own choices.  It also addresses the issue that some
people have raised that of course being a public list anyone could be
subscribed : your boss, your mother, Keith Hallawell ...

I will do this if no-one objects as I think its quite a good idea.  I
think that the list is already archived will defeat any provacy arguments.

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Re: Mailing List Archive

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Robin Houston wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 06:50:59AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
> > 
> > This is all a fine plan, but it doesn't prevent external people from
> > achiving us in the same way that mail-archive do. I really don't think
> > there's a foolproof way to prevent it.
> 
> I doubt that's a serious problem.
> 
> I assume that someone deliberately added mail-archive's bot to the
> list, because mail-archive certainly don't hunt down lists themselves.
> 
> If we have an explicit "no public archives" policy then presumably
> people will have the decency to honour it, and not subscrive archive
> bots to the list.
> 

I must admit that I could have spotted this if I had known what I was
looking for - I dont tend to pay much attention to the subscribe messages.
The idea of posting new subscriptions/unsubs to the list will mean that
these things will be spotted.

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Re: Mailing List Archive

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Philip Newton wrote:

> I suppose at this point I should point out that it was I that subscribed
> mail-archive.com's bot to the list. Not sure when, but looking at the
> archive, it seems to be roughly end of September 2000. (See
> http://www.mail-archive.com/london-list%40happyfunball.pm.org/mail5.html .)
> 
> Since I confirmed the subscription from my work address rather than as
> 'archive@jab.org', it went past Jonathan Stowe. He wasn't exactly
> enthusiastic about it, but still approved the subscription.
> 

I must have been drinking more than usual at that point as I have no
recollection - but yes Philip is correct I did approve the subscription as
my approval mailbox points out to me.

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Re: Mailing List Archive

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Philip Newton wrote:

> Jonathan Stowe wrote:
> > I must admit that I could have spotted this if I had known what I was
> > looking for - I dont tend to pay much attention to the 
> > subscribe messages.
> 
> You did spot it. I remember you mailed me about it saying you weren't too
> keen on the idea but approved the subscription anyway. (Though this may not
> have been for the hfb list but rather the later dircon.co.uk lists.)
> 

Total failure of recall.  Yes I did.   


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Re: Mailing List Archive

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, David Cantrell wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 12:00:24PM +, Richard Clamp wrote:
> 
> > Richard - hoarder, with no use of a web archive anyhow :)
> 
> Got a complete archive of this list?  I don't but would like.
> 

On this machine I have every message for a year on everything before that
on the machine at home.

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Re: Mailing List Archive

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
> 
> I've had a couple of mail disasters which have meant me losing the 
> odd days-worth here or there, but I'm pretty sure I've got all of the
> really early ones. I've even got the ones where it was just me CCing
> a bunch of people.
> 

I still have the original mail that Dave sent out somewhere ...

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RE: Stupid Email

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Matthews Simon wrote:

> >  
> >  Don't listen to this man.  His job title may include the 
> >  word "manager"
> >  but he never has or never will be a "manager" in this context.  He's
> >  far too intelligent for a start :-)=
> 
> Too kind. I usually have to blow my own trumpet.  It's always nice to have
> someone else blow it for you :-)
> 

Look this is a family list 

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Re: Sun's Perl was Re: Application servers and e-commerce platforms

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote:
>
> I have a farm of suns, if you want to make a benchmark, I'll be very
> interested to run and compare the results.
> 

I have three E250s running Informix in my hareem, the only time those
suckers have broken is when someone broke the database server.

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Re: Another Template Toolkit Q

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Mon, 29 Jan 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>
> So TT nicely allows a filename, a filehandle or blank for STDOUT.
>
> So how to I capture the output to "some variable" so I could, say,
> manipulate that output
> without having to read the file I've outputted?
>

$tt->process($template,$variables,\$outvar);

$outvar will contain the output.

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RE: Technical Meeting Venues

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote:

> From: Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: 29 January 2001 15:34
>
> > just think of the sitcom possibilities if i lived above you
> > Dave? heh? heh? ;-) ;-)
>
> Bit tricky that. What with us living in a house and all that.
>

We have seagulls on our roof, perhaps grep meant to be building a nest on
your chimney ?

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Re: .emacs

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, Mark Fowler wrote:
>
> P.S. All other editor comments >/dev/null or to sender as I think we've
> had quite enough holy wars on this list this month.
>

Tsk, tsk - you shouldnt have brought it up then had you :)

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Re: Fwd: [mengerin@deja.com: [?] Template Toolkit]

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, Leon Brocard wrote:

> Dave Cross sent the following bits through the ether:
>
> > I got the following email in response to my TT2 article. I know nothing
> > about EmbPerl so I can't really answer these points. Does anyone who has
> > used EmbPerl have any ammo that I can use in my reply?
>
> Embperl is entirely Apache and web based, which is good for some
> things and bad for some things, like having the template wotsit work
> orthogonally to everything else.

And entirely impossible for a lot of the things that I am using TT for
like creating printed documents and e-mail messages 

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Re: London.pm nearly have a new server (fwd)

[Jonathan Stowe]

OK Groovers,

The DNS has been set up so now london.pm.org is penderel.state51.co.uk as
outlined below.

Does anyone have any feelings to delegating the DNS to servers under our
own control at some juncture ?

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-- Forwarded message --
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:42:10 -0600
From: Ben Hockenhull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Jonathan Stowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: London.pm nearly have a new server

>On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> After a rather extended delay we have nearly commissioned our server.
>>
>> It will be ready in a couple of weeks I guess but I just thought that I
>> would forewarn you of the impending request for a DNS change.
>>
>> We would like to have the DNS arranged something like this when you have a
>> minute (I'm no DNS expert so it probably can be approved :) :
>>
>> london  IN  MX  5   london.pm.org.
>> IN  MX  10  happyfunball.pm.org.
>> london  IN  A   193.82.57.128
>> penderelIN  CNAME   london.pm.org.
>>
>> The server is currently penderel.state51.co.uk - when this goes through
>> the reverse lookup can be fixed.
>>
>> We are going to keep the mailing list on hfb.pm.org for a while as we cant
>> decide on what mailing list software to use :) ALthough we might have sorted
>> that out in the interval.
>>
>> When the server is ready for the big time I will get back to you to confirm
>> what we want to do.
>>
>
>
>Right.  We have finally got the server for the prime, so when you have a
>minute would it be possible to put the above changes in place ?
>
>We are also currently having a discussion which goes along the lines of
>having the london.pm.org subdomain delegated to penderel.state51.co.uk -
>is this feasible with the current setup ? Is it something you would want to
>do ?

Sorry about the delay.  This change has been made.

As for delegating DNS, sure, we'll be happy to delegate london.pm.org to
whatever nameservers you'd like.

Ben

Re: London.pm nearly have a new server (fwd)

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Jonathan Stowe wrote:

> OK Groovers,
>
> The DNS has been set up so now london.pm.org is penderel.state51.co.uk as
> outlined below.
>

The only problem with this is that the http server doesnt appear to be
running at the moment and there is no-one alive on #london.pm who has a
login - could someone who can kick the server into life and check the
content is up to date.

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Re: London.pm nearly have a new server (fwd)

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote:

> At Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:45:09 + (GMT), Jonathan Stowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
> >
> > > OK Groovers,
> > >
> > > The DNS has been set up so now london.pm.org is
> > > penderel.state51.co.uk as outlined below.
> >
> > The only problem with this is that the http server doesnt appear to be
> > running at the moment and there is no-one alive on #london.pm who has
> > a login - could someone who can kick the server into life and check
> > the content is up to date.
>
> Strictly speaking, that isn't the _only_ problem :)
>
> The version of the website is at least a month out of date and the
> last time I looked the webserver on Penderel was set up differently to
> the hfb one. In order to get it working, one of two things need to
> happen. Either the Apache configuration needs to change so that .cgi
> files in any directory are executed (this is how hfb worked) or I need
> write access to the cgi-bin directory.
>

We'll get the first person to turn up in the channel who has root to fix
this :)

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TT vs EmbPerl (was Re: Fwd: [mengerin@deja.com: [?] Template Toolkit])

[Jonathan Stowe]

On 30 Jan 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
>
> Add to that, generating mails to Nominet and Network (ack!) Solutions,

Which is exactly what I was using it for yesterday :)  Well except not
Netowrk Solutions as we are using another registrar ...

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Re: Meeting Reminder

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Simon Wistow wrote:
>
> Simon
> [who decided to give up drinking for Feburary and is now regretting it
> ...]
>

Crazy fool

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Re: CGI.pm Question

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Andy Williams wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I know how to redirect using the GET method
>   print $q->redirect("$url?$query_string");
> but how do I do it for POST?
>

You can't properly - I think there is a rant on :

http://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/~flavell/www/

about this matter but I dont have the time to check the whole lot.  The
best way to achieve the effect is to use LWP to submit the request and
then display the resulting output.

This might answer:

   http://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/~flavell/www/post-redirect.html

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Re: Migrating from 5.005 to 5.6

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Tony Bowden wrote:

>
> So, we've a pretty large system running on 5.005_03. We want to move to
> 5.6. We've been running several development machines on 5.6 without any
> noticeable problems, but it's impoosible to test by hand every possible
> script etc that could be run.
>
> Are there any known gotchas that we should be aware of before switching
> on our production machines?
>

All the ones that have got me are going in the other direction - from a
development machine on 5.6.o back to the production one with 5.005 - thats
where the pain starts :)


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Re: Perl Books

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote:

> Robin Szemeti [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth:
> *>
> *>no one ever said the buying public were intelligent ...
>
> Well, people rise to meet expectations too. There is precious little in
> the way of good CGI books with a practical slant to them out there so out
> of the lot of them, this is probably one of the best. The same principle
> applies to Matt's famous archive...lots of people bitching and not much
> else.
>

Hasnt the Castro book been around almost as long as Matt's Accursed
Archive(tm) ?  I think the thing about the both of them is that they both
fill a particular niche that nobody higher up the food chain can
particularly be both bothered to compete for.  It's all just so, well, '96
really :)

I still think we should get Larry King to promote the Lincoln Stein vs
Matt Wright prize fight.

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Re: Mailing List Stuff

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
>
> Any questions?
>

Yeah, can I have a pony ?

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Re: Mailing List Stuff

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Robin Houston wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 12:27:16PM +, Struan Donald wrote:
> > * at 02/02 12:29 + Jonathan Stowe said:
> > > On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Any questions?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yeah, can I have a pony ?
> >
> > what is it with ponys?
>
> I've wondered that too.
> Seems to be a #perl obsession...
>


Older than that :

http://www.fly.net/~shiva/complain.txt

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Re: Mailing List Stuff

[Jonathan Stowe]

On 2 Feb 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:

> Jonathan Stowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > http://www.fly.net/~shiva/complain.txt
>
> Spamford Wallace.
>
> Those were the days.
>

On the subject of Ponies - check out this aw350m3 site -

http://members.tripod.com/~ponyland/

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Re: Technical Meeting Sponsorship

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Robin Houston wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 07:29:53AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
> > I've been investigating places to hold Damian's meeting and I've already
> > got some interesting leads (the Conway Hall looks like it might well
> > work out!)
>
> Conway Hall would be a great venue, for the name alone!
>
> It can't be too expensive, because it's used by any number of
> fringe anarcho groups, who presumably don't have too much cash
> spilling around.
>

Yeah, in the late seventies - early eighties you used to get bands the
like of Crass and Crisis playing there (use Google you yoofs) I think it
is (the hall that is ) thinged up with some religious group with strong
socialist (in the general rather than party sense) political views ...

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Re: Technical Meeting Sponsorship

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Dave Cross wrote:

Oi! Davorg! stop posting to the wrong list and confusing everyone :)

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Re: Technical Meeting Sponsorship

[Jonathan Stowe]

On 6 Feb 2001, Piers Cawley wrote:

It was Piers that started posting to the wrong list guv honest ...

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Re: In defence of Perl

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
>
> this is the sort of analysis that IT managers should be good at
>

Emphasis on *should* as opposed to *are* .

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Re: VA?

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Struan Donald wrote:
>
> *and* they have blue LEDs :)
>

Well that doubles the price for starters :)

( find blue LEDs on http://rswww.com/ if you dont believe me)

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Re: Penderel Configuration

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Robert Shiels wrote:
>
> I'd like to know which perl modules are already installed.
>

I think Meestah Cross has written something that does this, as have I and
I think that Tom Phoenix has released Inside now which is a properly
implemented way of doing same (I beta tested it for him and it worked
then).

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RE: Penderel Configuration

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Thu, 15 Feb 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I notice you don't have Symbol::Approx::Sub installed ;)
>
> On a side note, now I've figured out how to send proper plain text mail,
> anyone know how I can tell outlook to prefix replies with > or likewise ??
>

In Outlook menu - Tools/Options select Mail Format tab ... thoug I still
havent worked out how to get it to not put the silly header bit ...

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Re: Penderel Configuration

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
>
> HTML email is bad.  In this weeks LWN letters page, there's a cute
> letter from Alan Cox explaining how you don't need JS enabled to get
> tricked.  If you look for "HTML email privacy" at:
>

I've always been *enabled* whaddya talking about ...

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Re: DMP

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, Roger Burton West wrote:

> On or about Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 11:26:02AM -, dcross - David Cross typed:
>
> >Nah. That's what it's said for the last two weeks. They haven't got round
> >changing it to '24 hours' yet.
>
> Mine's "1 on hand",
>

Ooer, this is a family list you know ...

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Re: magic use

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:

>
> so, was there a better way to do this?
>

I got sidetracked trying to work why pine says 'View Application Launched'
then does jack-shit in the face of these attachements :)

And that was after I hacked at mailcap and mime.types ...

I promise I'll have a look .

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Re: server money

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, alex wrote:

>
> right, time to harvest some money
>

OK, send us your bank details 

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Re: t-shirts

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, Michael Stevens wrote:

> We've been talking about t-shirts on irc, and I think we should try
> to get some ideas together[1]. Some thoughts to start you off:
>
> Pony::Pony
>

Only if it has the open sourced code of the module on the back :)

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Re: t-shirts

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, Michael Stevens wrote:

> We've been talking about t-shirts on irc, and I think we should try
> to get some ideas together[1]. Some thoughts to start you off:
>
> Hash Bang Perl
>
> Pony::Pony
>
> PIMB (we've done this one)
>

$foo = my $controversial_noun;

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Re: Sunday's emergency social meeting?

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, Merijn Broeren wrote:

> Quoting dcross - David Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> >
> > I'm hoping that the talk on Monday will finish early enough that we can
> > retreat to a local hostelry for more general socialising.
> >
> This finally gives an answer to a question I had, about  why the talk
> is scheduled so early? Getting myself and Damian from Canary Wharf after
> his class ends at our place leaves about 20 minutes for dinner. It can't
> be that easy for other people as well...
>


You work in Canary Wharf ?  I work just down the road at Crossharbour ..
If you are having a lunch break on Monday perhaps I can meet you.  Drop me
a note ... oh BTW that goes for anyone else who works silently in the
Docklands area :)

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Re: Car giveaway

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:

> * Richard Clamp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > This is very off-topic, but it's too late now :)
> >
> > I have a B registered Sierra to get shot of[1], no tax, no mot, runs
> > (though right now the battery is very flat)
> >
>
> Why not turn bits of it into a robot wars entry? We could use a London.pm
> entry.


I'm definitely up for that Gig - who wants to be the Robot Wars Pumpking ?

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Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, Richard Clamp wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 05:07:31PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote:
> > So, no http://london.pm/ right now :-(
> >
> > But maybe in the future![1]
>
> Deja-Vu.  We (being other people on the list, and not actually me)
> tried this about 2 years ago, with almost exactly the same results.
> Back then they were going to do it 'in the future' or 'never' too.
>

I still have a bunch of e-mails from the guy who runs the islands ISP ...
I actually think that it was worse than that - people had been using the
.pm TLD and then AFNIC got a little eggy about it and stopped them.  Mind
this kind of behaviour is a feature of all aspects of France's
administration of its overseas territories not just internet domain
registration.

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Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Michael Stevens wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 10:06:07AM +, Paul Mison wrote:
> > On 22/02/2001 at 16:24 +, Dave Cross wrote:
> > >IIRC we also investigated the possibility of registering pm.org.uk,
> > >but Nominet have a silly rule that prevents anyone from having third
> > >level domains with only two characters :(
> > But organisations as diverse as the British Library, Parliament, the
> > police and the NHS all get second level domains in the UK heirarchy.
> > Grr. Argh. (The British Library can be found at http://bl.uk/ which is
> > probably the shortest possible UK web server address.)
>
> That's for legacy reasons, IIRC.


I like jumbo.jet.uk which iirc is the nameserver for the Joint European
Torus ...

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Re: Greetings

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Amias Channer wrote:

> Hello All ,
>
> I've just moved to London from Bath and thought i should make contact with the
> illustrious London.pm ,

Crazeee Fool

>so here I am .
> Is there an FAQ for this mailing list ? I couldn't see one on the page .

The FAQ is "Buffy, Diesel Cans, TVRs".

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Re: Greetings

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Marcel Grunauer wrote:

>
> Michael Stevens writes:
>
> >Question: pony?
> >Answer: pony pony pony.
> >
> >Question: 8uffy or willow?
> >Answer: a controversial issue on which no consensus has yet been reached.
>
> Also a point of note might be that
>
> We are Perl. Your table will be assimilated. Your waiter will adapt
> to service us. Surrender your beer. Resistance is futile.
>
> This London.pm strategy is known as "embrace and extend" aka "mark and sweep".
>

Mark and sweep, garbage collection, joke   :

   "If Java's garbage collection is so good then why doesnt it delete
the program file upon execution"

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Re: lvalue subroutines

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, Ian Brayshaw wrote:

> >Ian Brayshaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Given the following lvalue subroutine
> > >
> > >   sub mysub : lvalue {
> > >   $value;
> > >   }
> > >
> > > is there any way for mysub() to be able to determine that it
> > > was called in an lvalue context?
> >
> >No. If you need to know that sort of thing, you kind of have to tie
> >the $value that you're going to return, and use that as a proxy for
> >the *actual* value. If you're called in an lvalue context then the> tied
> >object is going to have its STORE method called...
> >
>
> I'm new to the discussion of Perl6, so are there any discussions around
> providing operators such as wantlvalue and wantvoid
> to perform similar queries to wantarray?
>

wantarray will tell you if you are in a void context - IIRC correctly it
returns undef in void context and 0 in scalar context I also recall there
being a little controversy over this recently in p5p ...

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Re: Heretics' meeting

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, Michael Stevens wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 05:33:34PM +, Matthew Robinson wrote:
> > OK, its 'meetings are held on the day after the first wednesday of the month'.
> > That makes perfect sense now,
>
> I work on the "meetings are held whenever more than half the people
> on irc mention a pub" theory.
>

I need another meeting - I'm on the train home having been nowhere near a
pub.

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Re: good job there weren't any "base belongs to us" t-shirts printed

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, Aaron Trevena wrote:

> On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, James Powell wrote:
>
> > Might have ended up like the last programme here
> >
> > (not for the easily offended)
> >
> > http://www.tvgohome.com/
>
>
> cafepress have some aybabtu tees. There is a nice page of reworked
> cartoons and images with aybabtu worked in. Also totl.net has an aybabtu
> style whelk in its whelk page.
>

It was all over when it made The Grauniad this morning.

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Re: Kevin Smith (and intro)

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Lucy McWilliam wrote:

>
> On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Jon Eyre wrote:
>
> > Anyone else drink too much and wake up on a train in the middle of
> > Hampshire thursday night? Or was it just me..?
>
> No, that was just you.
>
> 
> 'lo, BTW.  I'm Lucy and I'm not in Nodnol, but Cambridge doesn't have a
> .pm (yet!).  I use Perl to do vague genome mapping, computer biology,
> PhD type things.
> 
>

Hello,
You must have snuck in whilst I wasnt paying attention :)

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Re: Matt's Scripts

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:

> OK, here's a list of Matt's scripts. If you'd like to have a go at 
> rewriting one or two under the rules we've discussed (no external modules, 
> -T, use strict, -w, etc), put you name next to it on this list.
> 
> Simple Search

Oh I have done that one as well :)

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Re: Matt's Scripts

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:

> OK, here's a list of Matt's scripts. If you'd like to have a go at 
> rewriting one or two under the rules we've discussed (no external modules, 
> -T, use strict, -w, etc), put you name next to it on this list.
> 
> Guestbook  jns
> WWWboard   jns
> Counter
> Formmail
> Random Image Displayer
> Random Link Generator
> Textclock
> Countdown
> Free For All Links jns
> Simple Search  jns
> Textcounter
> HTTP Cookie Library
> SSI Random Image Generator
> Random Text
> Animation
> 

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Re: Strange Request

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Michael Stevens wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 10:58:36AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > how to solve this, will there is an easy way that would deal with 
> > the problem at source - perl certification 
> > 
> > *duck*
> > 
> > having said in another email how there were no resources to deal with this
> > problem, there is a near miss in the perl cookbook, however to tackle
> > the problem directly, maybe ORA need to commission a Perl CGI Cookbook.
> > 
> > all the good classic web problems, with simple ready to run examples.
> > forums, guestbooks, counters, voting, etc.
> 
> Maybe we should join the many people who've had a go at this...
> 
> setup a CVS repository on penderel, get on with it.
> 

I have debugged 'plug-compatible' versions of the Guestbook and the FFA
program on this machine right now if anyone does care to start it ...

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Re: Strange Request

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:

> At 10:56 13/03/2001, you wrote:
> >On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 10:58:36AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > > how to solve this, will there is an easy way that would deal with
> > > the problem at source - perl certification
> > >
> > > *duck*
> > >
> > > having said in another email how there were no resources to deal with this
> > > problem, there is a near miss in the perl cookbook, however to tackle
> > > the problem directly, maybe ORA need to commission a Perl CGI Cookbook.
> > >
> > > all the good classic web problems, with simple ready to run examples.
> > > forums, guestbooks, counters, voting, etc.
> >
> >Maybe we should join the many people who've had a go at this...
> >
> >setup a CVS repository on penderel, get on with it.
> 
> I think this is a good idea and would be happy to get involved. What I'd 
> like to see is a series of "drop in" replacements for Matt's scripts. There 
> are  15 scripts on Matt's site. How long would it take us to 
> rewrite them all?
> 

As I said before, I have done the FFA thing and Guestbook - I started on
wwwboard too.

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Re: Strange Request

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
> 
> I've just seen a downside to the "no non-standard modules" rule, which is 
> that we'll have to send all mail by piping to sendmail. And that really 
> hits your cross-platform compatibility.
> 

You've got Socket of course :)

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Re: Matt's Scripts Projects

[Jonathan Stowe]

Dave Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> 
> Seems like we've made a reasonable start on this project. We already
> have a few scripts written - anyone want to report progress on any 
of 
> the others?

I have Guestbook, FFA and simple search all ready to for testing 
elsewhere - I'll package and upload them somewhere this evening.

I looked at wwwboard as well and discovered that I had got as far as 
making it strict and use CGI.pm so whover is working on that can have 
my work in progress if they want :)

> 
> What we need now is to start to impose some structure on the 
project.
> Here are a few ideas:
> 
> * CVS Repository (on Penderel?)
> 
> * Testing both our versions and the originals on as many platforms 
as
> possible. Ensuring that our scripts do the same thing as Matt's.
> 
> * Licensing. Matt has a huge great license on all of his scripts. We
> should replace it with the standard "under the same tersm as Perl
> itself" statement.
> 
> * Copyright. All the scripts (and the HTML pages) have Matt's 
copyright.
> We should change that to ours.
> 
> * HTML. Most of the scripts have associated HTML pages. I've not 
looked
> at them yet, but judging by the HTML I've seen in the scripts I've 
> looked at, Matt's HTML isn't much better than his Perl. I'd 
recommend
> changing all the HTML to XHTML.
>

I have run tidy over all of it and converted it to HTML 4 
Transitional but XHTML would be just as easy.  I can download the 
rest of the scripts and then fix the associated HTML too.
 
> * Bundling. Need to build gzipped tarballs of our new versions (I 
guess
> this should be built on top of the CVS stuff). Matt makes pkzipped
> versions avaiable as well - so should we.
> 

This should probably done on the CVS server.

> * Web page. Need somewhere to point potential users at. Probably two
> versions - one for the developers and one for the users. This can be
> a subdirectory on london.pm.org.
> 

Unfortunately because I am without laptop at the moment things are a 
bit difficult - I have had to press my very old machine into service.

Oh BTW are we allowing POSIX in ?  I had used that in the Guestbook 
for strftime ...

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Re: Matt's Scripts Projects

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, David Cantrell wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 05:48:25PM +, Michael Stevens wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 05:38:09PM +, David Cantrell wrote:
> > > Then they deserve to be hurt.  Really.  We can't possibly support
> > > dribbling idiots, and frankly, I have no wish to do so.  If someone is
> > > scared by a .tar.gz extension then they have no business installing
> > > software.  Even if just for their own use.
> > 
> > I thought one of the goals of this project was to support "dribbling
> > idiots"?
> 
> Idiots maybe, but not those who are sooo lacking in necessary skills that
> they are scared by gzipped tarballs.  Don't forget, these morons are
> going to have to know how to get the files to their server, do the
> appropriate chmodding, tweak config variables in the script - if you're
> clueless enough to be scared off by .tar.gz then you're guaranteed to
> fail anyway.
> 

So then they go and download the buggy, insecure, crap script from MSA and
when they fail they decide that Perl is crap 


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Balding Badly-Coiffed Hackers (was Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.)

[Jonathan Stowe]

Marty Pauley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> On Tue Mar 20 15:13:07 2001, David H. Adler wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 05:34:06PM +, David Cantrell wrote:
> > > 
> > > You are Michael Schwern, and I claim your m4d h41rkut skillz.
> > 
> > Oh, get real.  Schwern has *no* relation to haircuts *at all*...
> 
> - Forwarded message from Michael G Schwern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> 
> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:06:26 +
> From: Michael G Schwern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Marty Pauley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: FW: london-pm RE: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.
> 
> Tell them if they keep talking shit about me I\'ll have to 
personally
> come down and CUT THEIR HAIR!
> http://us.imdb.com/Title?0103645

What are we saying here, Michael Schwern is that Alien Drag Queen ?



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Balding Badly-Coiffed Hackers (was Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.)

[Jonathan Stowe]

Marty Pauley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> On Tue Mar 20 15:13:07 2001, David H. Adler wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 05:34:06PM +, David Cantrell wrote:
> > > 
> > > You are Michael Schwern, and I claim your m4d h41rkut skillz.
> > 
> > Oh, get real.  Schwern has *no* relation to haircuts *at all*...
> 
> - Forwarded message from Michael G Schwern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> 
> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:06:26 +
> From: Michael G Schwern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Marty Pauley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: FW: london-pm RE: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.
> 
> Tell them if they keep talking shit about me I\'ll have to 
personally
> come down and CUT THEIR HAIR!
> http://us.imdb.com/Title?0103645

What are we saying here, Michael Schwern is that Alien Drag Queen ?



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Re: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender

[Jonathan Stowe]

Oi! stop testing your filters on the list 

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Re: Not Matt's Scripts

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Sun, 25 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:

> I've had a bit of a go at some of these today and they're up at 
>  if anyone's interested.
>

You might want to change the content-type on that directory as I get a
funny error :)
 
> As far as I can see, the people volunteering to provide replacements were 
> as follows:
> 
> Guestbook   JNS

Real Soon Now ... Just caught in the 'New Laptop Transition'

> WWWboardJNS

Nearly there.  I just get fucked off every time I look at the original.

> Counter
> FormmailDave C
> Random Image Displayer  Dave C
> Random Link Generator   Dave C
> Textclock   Mark F
> Countdown   Mark F
> Free For All Links  JNS

Now available as http://www.perl.gellyfish.com/source/mwffa.pl.txt

> Simple Search   JNS

Now available as http://www.perl.gellyfish.com/source/ssearch.pl.txt

> Textcounter Dave C
> HTTP Cookie Library
> SSI Random Image Generator  Dave C
> Random Text Dave C
> Animation
> 
> So it looks like we've got most of then sewn up. Anyone else want to report 
> on progress or grab one of the outstanding ones to do?

Anyhow what are we going to do about the 'C++' ones :)

/J\

Re: upgrade fund

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, Robin Szemeti wrote:
> 
> scsi multithreads, IDE doesn't.. this makes quite a difference on
> multi-process applications .. esp. servers
> 

I will vouch for this having just loaded a ~1Gb database on my laptop - it
takes about 2-3 times longer on IDE here than it would on an otherwise
similarly specified machine with SCSI disks - this is because IDE has a
greater need to serialize the multiple reads and writes required for this
operation 


/J\

Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-03-05

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Alasdair G Kergon wrote:

Oops sorry about that - I approved this twice :(

Too long a break I would suggest ...

/J\