Re: Templating Solutions
Jonathan Stowe sent the following bits through the ether: As a reference for this kind of thing one might ( if one can be arsed to look at Java stuff ) to look at the way the Enhydra thingy does things in creating classes in directories like : We don't need no stinking directories - we can generate Perl code on the fly. This is why comparing Java and Perl tools is tricky... Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/ ... Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine
Re: Templating Solutions
Dominic Mitchell sent the following bits through the ether: You'd be surprised how many people are willing to learn something when it's got microsoft attached to it and big whopping books from que. Would it be entertaining for people to give small talks on the templating system of their choice at the technical meeting on Thursday? (as long as everyone don't pick TT2 of course...) Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/ ... Off the keyboard, thru the router, over the bridge, nothing but net!
Re: Using perl for a high performance mailer daemon ?
Greg Cope sent the following bits through the ether: I want to design a mailer for sending large numbers of individual messages to a large list. You're writing a mailer in Perl. Mailers have been done before. If you're using a slow one, then look at other ones, such as exim. Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/ ... S met ing's hap ening t my k ybo rd . .
Re: early peek at a bit of fun
Simon Wistow sent the following bits through the ether: There are modules out there for doing IP2LL http://www.astray.com/Bath.pm/near.cgi even worked in Montreal. Fails for btinternet atm though... Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/ ... Dyslexics of the world, untie!
Re: CMS frameworks
Simon Wistow sent the following bits through the ether: 'cos they're all based on the Slash code? Which isn't all that amenable to total reskinning. Oh look, that slashcode 2.0 uses Template Toolkit... Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/ ... Did you know there's a guy living in our closet?
Re: Templating Solutions
Greg McCarroll sent the following bits through the ether: In a moment of stupidity[1] Fool. There are at least 30 other Perl templating systems. See the templating systems benchmark last week on the mod_perl list for example. Perrin Harkins is presenting Choosing a Templating System at oscon, so you could at least ask him for his list... Leon ps speed isn't important -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/ ... If I were you, who'd be me?
Re: early peek at a bit of fun
Greg McCarroll sent the following bits through the ether: It is a very alpha-ish cgi script that simply compiles a Leader Board of known London.pm people The modules list is a bit out of date in this case (I'm at eight)... Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/ ... The faster you go, the shorter you are
Re: early peek at a bit of fun
Richard Clamp sent the following bits through the ether: Yeah but if you did just parse 02packages blindly then Leon would have a bigger headstart with all of the Graphviz::GraphMyAunt modules. Family graphs? Good call. What was that ancestry format again? Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/ ... 1200 bps used to seem so fast
Re: London.pm - FAQ for web site (was books or something).
Leo Lapworth sent the following bits through the ether: And yes it DOES need a faq, I have the start of one, but would very much love someone else to finish it off. google++ # london.pm faq http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg02436.html -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/ ... Error 256: Programmer Deleted
Re: [fwd] Group booking AC Hotel
Neil Ford sent the following bits through the ether: For those not on the yapc europe mailing list. (you will need to subscribe to register interest in this though). Hmmm, it may be an idea to get something closer to the center of town. Quick, someone organise. Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/ ... Overload - core meltdown sequence initiated
London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-06-11
This is the twenty-first weekly summary of the London Perl Mongers mailing list. This is brought to you from yapc::NorthAmerica during Brian Ingerson's CPAN, PPM and the Future talk. For the quiet week starting 2001-06-04: Don't forget the London.pm website for meetings etc. The next meeting is an technical meeting on the 21st, and then a social meeting on Thursday 5th July. Some pictures were taken of the last meeting: http://london.pm.org/ http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/london.pm/2001-06-07/ http://husk.org/perl/pics/ Paul Makepeace posted some posting statistics for the list. Greg posted ny.pm stats. People gave thanks. People complained about the noise *being* the signal (it's signal, Jim, but not as we know it): http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg06626.html Jonathan Stowe mentioned www.gateway.gov.uk, the new UK government portal wotsit, not working on any other platforms other than IE on Windows. There followed a huge thread - basically, they're being stupid and we should all complain to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Matthew Robinson asked about changing the default library paths in a compiled copy of Perl. Iffy solutions: symbolic links, PERL5LIB, doing a global replace. Best solution: get a compiler. I wrote a blogging bot for the #london.pm IRC channel on irc.rhizomatic.net. See what people have been talking about in the past week and right now: http://astray.com/scribot/2001-06-11.html http://astray.com/scribot/ YAPC::Europe registration was announced: http://yapc.org/Europe/ Simon Wistow asked about a persistent Perl daemon (much like mod_perl) but in a general case, keeping a bytecode cache and making programs run faster in the long run. See ByteCache. There was some discussion, but it's probably too much work for too little gain. In other news: Microsoft SQL Server sucking (SQueaL), Sun Ultra Enterprise 1, google++, the Sony Clie being small and cute, checking out pubs for the next meet, buffy, search.cpan.org being hacked (Catalog module apparently), 'back doors' in Linux, obnoxious sigs: and a geeknic with an inflatable penguin: http://www.tpc.org/tpch/results/h-ttperf.idc http://www.sonystyle.com/micros/clie/ http://buffy.slayers.co.uk/ShowStrip.asp?CS=1 http://homepage.tinet.ie/~cullenm/2dart/regi.jpg http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg06738.html http://husk.org/lndn/circ/compat/DSCF0102.jpg Eh?, leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/ ... Have you seen Quasimoto? I have a hunch he's back!
Re: Persistent Perl
Dominic Mitchell sent the following bits through the ether: I think the python scheme of creating a bytecode file on the first run is better, but I'm not sure how amenable perl's code tree is to being flattened and restored (this may be why we haven't seen a perl-java compiler). ByteCache - byte-compile modules when needed The reason we haven't seen a Perl-Java compiler is due to the low-level nature of the JVM and the high-level nature of the PVM. They just don't mix well. Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/ ... I made it foolproof. They are making better fools!
Re: Some pretty pictures ...
Piers Cawley sent the following bits through the ether: Unlikely. http://www.iterative-software.com/~pdcawley/acme.png is vaguely perlish though. Taking pictures of me when I've a) not slept much b) was tired anyway c) at morning when I haven't had a shower probably isn't going to produce the next [insert name of famous photographer/subject]. Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/ ... All things are green unless they are not
Re: Upcoming technical meeting
Redvers Davies sent the following bits through the ether: I'll be there... btw, has anyone heard back from the YAPC::Europe peeps about which papers have been accepted?... or have any idea when the list will be published. [1] Speakers will be told Real Soon Now. Registration might happen pretty soon too. Speakers don't need to register. Leon [1] no, I have no idea why you missed the footnote either -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/ ... Apple (c) 6024 b.c., Adam Eve
London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-06-04
This is the twentieth weekly summary of the London Perl Mongers mailing list. You may all buy me a drink. For the quiet week starting 2001-06-04: Don't forget the London.pm website for meetings etc. The next meeting is an social meeting on Thursday 7th June (don't forget to vote!) at the Penderel's Oak: http://london.pm.org/ Dave Cross asked for some speakers for the next technical meeting on the 21st June. This'd be a good time to practice those yapc::Europe talks! Robin Houston threatened to do something about Perl regular expressions and algorithmic complexity... A thread on crazy golf suddenly changed into a thread about old religions such as the Celts, why drinking blood has gone out of style (apart from Angel), more holidays, and whether there were any Masai tribesperson on the list. Anyone? Anyone? Dave Cross also plugged Inline::PERL: http://perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=84638 Dave Cross also organised an election drinking spree, leaving the Penderel's Oak earlyish tomorrow and drinking at his house for the next couple of hours. Greg suggested a CGI competition to visualise numbers in classic Peter Snow style. Marcel Grunauer asked who was gonna be at YAPC::NA in Montreal next week. Looks like Marcel, James, and I will be there. Now, about those slides I should have done... Dean Wilson released another wonderful London Community News. Another one will be out soon with updated information. Other choice quotes from Robin Szemeti: mental image of Greg and Piers, having had a few pints, lurching towards each other in a corner dance singing 'hey ho fiddle eye ho' and brandishing morris sticks and handkerchiefs whilst jangling like a tambourine on heat hmmm .. maybe I need to see this. Greg's Because we're worth it?: http://217.34.97.146/~gem/pics/london.pm/2000/july/DSCF0036.JPG Dominic Mitchell's: Is Ultimate Evil related to Evil Dave? If so, will he discuss the project with us? Jonathan Peterson's: Passivation is the opposite of activation. Only a Java programmer could be that f**cking bloody minded, pig ignorant, or both. Amusingly, ejbPassivate is a method of entity beans, which look suspiciously like on of the most stupid things I've ever come across. But then I'm not a real programmer. Jonathan Stowe's: Oh my word, why *is* Nathan Barley on 18:23 from Cannon Street? Dave Cross (busy man this week) released Tie::Hash::Cannabinol: And where are those London.pm tshirts, eh?, Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/ ... Gravity is a myth - the earth sucks
Re: M$ SQueaLServer
Redvers Davies sent the following bits through the ether: The transactions world record sadly is held by M$ at the moment. http://www.tpc.org/tpch/results/h-ttperf.idc Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/ ... Hmm... How *did* they finally kill Frosty?
Re: M$ SQueaLServer
Ian Brayshaw sent the following bits through the ether: If it goes through, this is one coder that will be seeking alternate employment (along with the rest of the company). It's probably worth letting the company know about this, although they'll probably ignore it. FUD works, you know... Leon, aaa aaahh ahhh chhoou! -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/ ... And he disappeared in a puff of logic
Re: TPC Travel
Cross David - dcross sent the following bits through the ether: I booked my TPC flights yesterday. If anyone fancies joining me, the flight details are: Hey, groovy, you can join Simon and me on a drive down to crazy Mexico. We'll pick up beer, chicks and crazy Mexican guitar-playing people. Just remember to bring a stake just in case we happen to bump into a vampire-filled bar... Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/ ... Washington was fun
Re: TPC Travel
Cross David - dcross sent the following bits through the ether: Cool. When are you doing that? Sunday? visualeffect symbol=W with=hands/ Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/ ... Byte this (designer underware)
London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-28
This is the nineteenth weekly summary of the London Perl Mongers mailing list. For the random week starting 2001-05-28, which started off fairly quietly and had 170 messages. Don't forget the London.pm website for meetings etc. The next meeting is an social meeting on Thursday 7th June which clashes with elections, with location yet to be determined but probably the PO: http://london.pm.org/ James Duncan asked a question which essentially boiled down to the fact that he needed a method to find out if something is blessed, rather than just a reference. Richard Clamp pointed him to Scalar::Util's bless function. Scalar::Util (and List::Util) add useful functions to the Perl language, so check 'em out: http://search.cpan.org/doc/GBARR/Scalar-List-Utils-1.02/lib/Scalar/Util.pm http://search.cpan.org/doc/GBARR/Scalar-List-Utils-1.02/lib/List/Util.pm Dean Wilson annouced a deal by Loki to ship their games for half price if a LUG gets together and orders ten or more copies of a game. Mail him if you're interested: http://www.lokigames.com/ Paul Makepeace asked if there were any frameworks to create classes from a grammar spec (such as EBNF). I pointed out Parse::RecDescent's autotree directive and YAPE, Marcel talked about his data munging framework plan again, everyone insulted the PDF format, and Nicholas Clark spotted a flaw in the new Leon Brocard Drinking Game. So there were lots of ideas but no real answer: http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg06224.html It was one of those weeks. In other news, whatever happened to the london.pm crazy golf game?, Tie::Hash::Cannabis, PDP 11/73, Amelia, baiting perlmonks, more Foot and Mouth discussion, Pigs In Space, Towel Day, Buffy / Eastenders crossover, pod2man bugs, coming back to london-list from beer (and pulling over a thousand last week), DBD::Illustra, Center of the World, GraphViz::DBI, dns wizardry, Mr Couzens, l337 PERL, yapc::Europe accommodation, Email::Valid, more attribute module announcements by Marcel, and pubs: http://perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=83309 http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/features/exclusive.shtml http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg06297.html http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg06249.html pok pok pok, Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/ ... isopropyl sethylphosphonofluoridate
Re: Grammar - Class creation
Paul Makepeace sent the following bits through the ether: Are there modules/frameworks that exist to create classes from a grammar spec (e.g. EBNF)? Well, Parse::RecDescent[1] probably does what you want. Check out the autotree directive. Parsing is fun. Let's try and parse everything! [1] Or Parse::Yapp, but I betcha it'll be more work -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/ ... Careful. We don't want to learn from this. - Calvin
Re: Grammar - Class creation
Marcel Grunauer sent the following bits through the ether: Is that a) a good idea, b) a bad idea, c) common practice anyway and I just haven't found it? japhy's apparently kinda doing this: http://search.cpan.org/doc/PINYAN/YAPE-Regex-3.01/extra/YAPE.pm The YAPE hierarchy of modules is an attempt at a unified means of parsing and extracting content. It attempts to maintain a generic interface, to promote simplicity and reusability. The API is powerful, yet simple. The modules do tokenization (which can be intercepted) and build trees, so that extraction of specific nodes is doable. Other programming languages need code generators to spit out libraries. Perl doesn't need to do this as it's dynamic, baby. This is why Parse::RecDescent / Template Toolkit are so groovy, yeah. [Of course, the reason nobody's done this before is that everyone wants a slightly different interface...] Leon -- ... We're not worthy! We're not worthy!
Re: Hello and one or two dull questions
Tony Kennick sent the following bits through the ether: is there an archive so I can see what has come up recently? I've been doing weekly summaries of the mailing list, which may help: http://www.astray.com/mailman/listinfo/london-list-summary Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/ ... But soft, what light through yonder tagline breaks?
Re: Email Style (was: Re: Election Manifestos)
Paul Makepeace sent the following bits through the ether: Have you integrated into a mail server (module, procmail, whatever) .muttrc: set editor=/home/acme/bin/autoformat %s; xemacs -nw %s Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/ ... Hey! Who took the cork off my lunch?
London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-21
This is the eighteenth weekly summary of the London Perl Mongers mailing list. For the random week starting 2001-05-21: Don't forget the London.pm website for meetings etc. The next meeting is an social meeting apparently on Thursday 7th June which clashes with elections, although there is also an unofficial technical meet for practicing TPC talks on Saturday from noon at state51: http://london.pm.org/ Paul Makepeace asked about a Perl interface to paypal. Jonathan Peterson found a command line program to do so: http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg05837.html http://members01.chello.se/hampasfirma/ppsend/ Marcel Grunauer has been beavering away producing lots of Perl modules along with some cool attribute ones, stealing all of Damian's ideas for the next three months: http://search.cpan.org/search?mode=authorquery=marcel Barry Pretsell asked for opinions on reading O'Reilly books online using Safari. Robin Houston mentioned a book warez site. Nathan Torkington was disgusted that Perlmongers were advocating pirating the Camel. The conversation descended into a discussion about fair use, whether people write books for money, whether Napster is evil, the definition of stealing, and the whole idea of copyright being outdated: http://safari1.oreilly.com/tablhom.asp?home http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg05857.html Jonathan Peterson asked for a good Windows IMAP mail client. Responses: Outlook Express, Netscape Mail, PC-pine, Eudora, and The Bat. Some flamage ensued. Simon Wistow started a huge election manifesto thread, the fool. People flamed. It turned into a thread about webmail, open source development, and software licenses. People flamed. People flamed about references headers. People flamed about word wrapping. People mentioned just how easy it is to get Text::Autoformat to work automagically eg: http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg06054.html It's been one of those weeks with lots of little threads. Here we go: Damian Conway threatened to write Lingua::TokPisin::Perlpela, what to do during the p5p drinking game during an Ilya spree, Dave Cross apparently not being treated like a sex object, amIwroxornot.com, that Angel episode with the hands, Neil Ford dancing around to Sara Cox, perl harbour, a thesis on typographical errors to be presented at the ICA, Canada allowed to use the Icewine name, the encryption dance, TPJ #20 mentioning Buffy, MIME, file magic, delurking with Eh up! Abysinnia!, food exporting, Tie::Hash::Rank, Hacksploitation at Simon Wistow's on Sunday, locale problems, and Lucy unsubscribing because of free beer: http://www.maff.gov.uk/animalh/int-trde/misc/foot/flyer.pdf http://www.twoshortplanks.com/simon/filmfest/ In other news, you'll all be happy to know that I now have my own eponymous top-level CPAN namespace. Well, maybe: http://use.perl.org/journal.pl?op=displayuid=189 Must stop volunteering for things, Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/ ... My other computer is a 500-node Beowulf cluster
Re: Election Manifestos
Cross David - dcross sent the following bits through the ether: This, of course, presupposes that acmemail passes everyone's definition of a decent mail client. And if it doesn't, we can just slap the authors until it does :) You'll be happy to know that I gave up ownership of acmemail a while back stating that: a) I wasn't using it b) hence I wasn't improving it c) I don't have time for things I don't use. I handed it over to a couple of guys in the acmemail community who are slowly plodding along. It didn't hit critical mass. Discuss. Leon -- ... My other computer is a 500-node Beowulf cluster
Re: [Announce] Hackspoitation film fest
Simon Wistow sent the following bits through the ether: If anybody has any of these ... I could bring along Real Genius? (slightly more old-skool hackers though) Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/ ... Careful. We don't want to learn from this. - Calvin
Re: Election Manifestos
Chris Ball sent the following bits through the ether: I used to use At-mail a lot at work. Pseudo-interesting question of the day; do you really feel it was ripped off (in the stigmatism-attached sense of the word), or given that it was GPLed or Artistic'd anyway, that it's fair play to them and that's something that happens when you Give Code To The World sometimes? OK: I released acmemail under GPLAL because I wanted it to be used by the most amount of people and I wasn't intending to make money off it. @Mail (http://webbasedemail.com/) copied my code, my docs, and my images without telling me, added a configuration file, and sold it. I only found out about it by accident, which wasn't good. (it's changed a lot since). If I remember correctly, they got around any license issues by selling the webmail servers to companies as a service, and not a product. They could have handled it better. They could have told me about it, asked about selling it / giving me a token present. They could have given patches back to acmemail and not forked the code too much. I wasn't happy at all with them at the time. They sent me nasty letters about my accusations. It was blatently my code. Overall, kudos to them, they appear to be able to sell a simple Perl script for a pop to large corporations. So either I break up and cry at how lax the Artistic License is and inflict viral GPL on all my code, or I just keep on going hacking code. Which do I do? ;-) Hmmm, let's rewrite the Cathedral and the Bazaar, but as a failure for open source in this case ;-) Leon -- ... Squeeze
Re: Election Manifestos
Chris Heathcote sent the following bits through the ether: It seems that every promise in the Tory manifesto is based on hearsay It'd be okay if they were based on shaggy or fat boy slim... Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/ ... It sucks. But why does it suck?
Re: Election Manifestos
Cross David - dcross sent the following bits through the ether: [SNIP!] Please fix your mailer to do proper In-Reply-To and References headers. It's really really annoying. Leon -- ... Money is the root of all wealth
TPC talk practice / technical meet
Seeing as TPC slides for talks are supposed to be in at the end of the month, I've got a quick technical meeting together. The idea is that we'd practice our talks (make sure the timing / level is right etc.) and get constructive criticism from people before handing them in. YAPC talks also welcome. When: Saturday 26th noon onwards Place: state51 (thanks again guys) I will present an hour-long Instant Compilers talk (I'll spare you from another Graphing Perl talk ;-). It looks like Simon Wistow might talk about Perl-Flash. Other speakers welcome! Of course, you don't need to be talking to come - it'll be slightly different from a normal technical meeting but interesting and informative nevertheless. Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/ ... Useless invention no. 404: Low salt brine
Re: TPC talk practice / technical meet
Neil Ford sent the following bits through the ether: Will you be requiring a projector for this? Yes please! Will you be coming down or can we send someone to borrow your projector for the day? ;-) ps looks like Simon Cozens will be coming down and giving a few talks too Cheers, Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/ ... My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die
London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-14
This is the seventeenth weekly summary of the London Perl Mongers mailing list. For the crazy week starting 2001-05-14: Don't forget the London.pm website for meetings etc. The next meeting is a social meeting apparently on Thursday 7th June which clashes with elections: http://london.pm.org/ It was a very busy week, but the most important thing to know was that Damian Conway started of a series of articles about containing perl6 programs to give us a flavour for the language (which doesn't contain porn and won't be visualperl, honest): http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/05/08/exegesis2.html http://www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn/?stage=1word=Exegesis http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg05684.html Greg McCarroll started off by posting a rather amusing drinking game based around London.pm. We had thoughts about London.pm - the Movie, but it came to nothing (other than Snow Crash with vampires): http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg05120.html http://www.corona.bc.ca/films/details/snowcrash.html http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg05359.html Dave Cross was obviously feeling rather ill this week, as he posted a rather pretty Perl script which abuses substr, and a magic regex module tieing wotsit doodah: http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg05138.html http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg05206.html Struan Donald asked about escape characters in files, and everyone helped him: http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg05172.html http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg05175.html Paul Mison posted about organising a second constrained walk: http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg05207.html http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg05221.html Dominic Mitchell asked what people had on top of their monitors. People answered: nothing (flatscreen), various Kinder egg toys (giraffes, cars), squealing monkies, a furry orangutan climbing an inflatable Big Ben, many dust puppies, Network Programming with Perl, post-it notes, japanese netsuke depicting a cat, various beanie babies with strange relationships (goose, duck), marzipan models of Bagpuss, many Tuxes, various swag, a cowboy hat, real cats, a frog, dinosaurs, caffinated mints, coffe mugs, a beach ball, a Spaced DVD, 'Worms World Party', various computer bits, chocolate, a ximian monkey, Star Wars figures, cider and vodka, vibrating rabbits, and some lego. So now you know. There was a huge thread on politics. No-one got flamed. Many people didn't care much for it at all. Mark Fowler wrote a good summary again, so I'll just link to him rather than the people who came up with original ideas: http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg05477.html Leo Lapworth posted about a Perl job at Cloudband: http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg05584.html In other news: XP again, London.pm tshirts, TPJ is alive, Transtec sparc clones are cool, Buffy buffy buffy, fake news articles, the latest FHM containing Buffy crew, autodia, vampires everywhere, Angel boobapalooza, TPC Quiz Team, YAPC, conspiracy theories, Content-Encoding: gzip, that all online computer shops are crap, memes past their time, pidgin English, the computer language shootout, Ocaml, and reducing people's code to one-liners: http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg05678.html http://www.fhm.co.uk/girls/2001/holding.htm http://members.netscapeonline.co.uk/antibetdesign/vampires.htm http://www.bagley.org/~doug/shootout/ http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg05808.html Now all I have to do is not volunteer for the p5p summary, Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/ ... 43% of all statistics are worthless.
Re: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women
Neil Ford sent the following bits through the ether: The interesting bits are as follows; At no. 11, Sarah Michelle Geller At no. 10, Alyson Hannigan!!! You missed out the very important: No 27, Charisma Carpenter ;-), Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/ ... Why you say you no bunny rabbit when you have little powder-puff tail?
Re: pc components
Simon Cozens sent the following bits through the ether: My motherboard from Dabs has spent two days awaiting credit card clearance and two days awaiting despatch. The same happened to me. I've given up buying things on the Internet. I do all my research on the web, and then head down to Tottenham Court Road to actually buy it. The prices are generally comparable, and you get it *there and then*. Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/ ... Useless invention no. 404: Caffeine-free Diet Coke
[gnat@frii.com: Damian Conway's Exegesis 2]
Coo, coo, see the fabled perl6, remark how it looks just like perl5, wonder if anything's different and if there's a point to all this ;-) - Forwarded message from Nathan Torkington [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Nathan Torkington [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Damian Conway's Exegesis 2 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:32:46 -0600 X-Mailer: VM 6.92 under Emacs 20.7.1 Damian's writing a series of articles parallel to Larry's Apocalypses. These Exegesis articles will show full perl6 programs, with commentary exlaining the new features. The first Exegesis (numbered 2, to keep in sync with Larry) shows a perl6 version of a binary tree program from the Perl Cookbook. http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/05/08/exegesis2.html Nat - End forwarded message - -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/ ... Borg? Where? I don't se*(#$#..NO CARRIER
Perl training
Quite a few people at perl mongers asked me about Perl training. Those interested, please check out the following page, and please keep replies offlist: http://www.iterative-software.com/training/ Cheers, Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/ ... Real men write self-modifying code
Re: see attachment
Greg McCarroll sent the following bits through the ether: Somehow I see b-movie horror mixed with independence day style computer geek saves the world. Buffy meets Real Genius meets Hackers meets Spaced meets Seven Samurai meets Pi meets Office Space meets Blade Runner meets Austin Powers? Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software..http://yapc.org/Europe/ ... Back Up My Hard Drive? I Can't Find The Reverse Switch!
Re: mod perl
Robin Szemeti sent the following bits through the ether: so what is the preffered debugging method for discovering what this little leak might be .. strip the app down and build bit by bit .. or is there a clever way of looking at heap contents? The mod_perl guide is your friend: http://perl.apache.org/guide/debug.html Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software..http://yapc.org/Europe/ ... Borg? Where? I don't se*(#$#..NO CARRIER
Re: Dim Sum?
Dave Hodgkinson sent the following bits through the ether: Anyone up for Dim Sim at 1 O'clock? Yes. New World, Gerrard Street. I may be very on time. Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software..http://yapc.org/Europe/ ... Hey! Hacker! Leave those lists alone!
Re: Dim Sum?
Dave Hodgkinson sent the following bits through the ether: ARGH! Sorry, I got PHB-ed. Well, Leo and I had a wonderful lunch without you, so ner. Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software..http://yapc.org/Europe/ ... DoC does it slowly under the Sun?
London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-07
This is the sixteenth weekly summary of the London Perl Mongers mailing list. For the week starting 2001-05-07: Don't forget the London.pm website for meetings etc. The next meeting is a social meeting and has been postponed for a week to the Thursday 10th May. It will be at the Penderel's Oak: http://london.pm.org/ Paul Mison wrote a quick thanks / report of the London.pm - New York trip, with links to photos: http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg04943.html http://shadowgirl.net/photos/NYC-apr-2001/ http://husk.org/ny01/ Paul Makepeace informed us of a talk by Craig Mundie, Microsoft Senior Vice President about The Commercial Software Model, which contains lots of open source FUD: http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/exec/craig/05-03sharedsource.asp http://web.siliconvalley.com/content/sv/2001/05/03/opinion/dgillmor/weblog/torvalds.htm Robin Houston was the first to write in that Larry Wall had completed Apocalypse Two, on what parts of Perl 6 will look like. Everything's an object, more quoting, '.' instead of '-', and more. Damian Conway posted source filter called DotsForArrows - even with our primitive earth technology we can do the reverse today, with a threat that he'll go further later on: http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/05/03/wall.html http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg05001.html David Cantrell announced he was selling his original Defender. Oh, and he's been made redundant and is looking for a job: http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg04999.html http://www.interlog.com/~timf/defender_page/defender.htm http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/cv/ David Cross reminded everyone to submit their proposals for YAPC::Europe (deadline June 1st): http://www.yapc.org/Europe/cfp.html Other topics included: where to drink decent cocktails (ICA bar, Gaucho Grill, Match Bar), Real Genius, what to eat with waffles, heart shaped fried eggs, laughing at people who think Perl can't do for loops, what children taste like, and how to get Buffy characters to do a meet'n'greet at TPC (if all else fails, Damian suggests a pony), and how the Soggy Bottom Boys' hit is annoying when your lab colleague plays it repeatedly while dancing aroud with DNA. And I'm not mentioning the porn: http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/3998/genius.html http://www.twoshortplanks.com/simon/rutland/psn00022.jpg http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg04991.html In other news, the New World restaurant now does very good deals: http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg05089.html Is it not written every second counts?, Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software..http://yapc.org/Europe/ ... The Killer Ducks are coming!
Re: Buffy musings ...
Nathan Torkington sent the following bits through the ether: ... I wonder how hard it would be to get Faith or Charisma Carpenter or one of those other minor characters to do a meet'n'greet at TPC. I suspect they're hard to dislodge from LA, but it might still be worth a try[1]. I'm tracking down their agents now. What a totally excellent idea. The costume designer for Buffy was at the ICA on the last day of yapc::Europe last year. Unplanned, but rather weird and neat anyway ;-) This now sets a standard for this year's conference to beat... Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software..http://yapc.org/Europe/ ... I cna ytpe 300 wrods pre mniuet!!!
Re: More revolting natives
Alex Page sent the following bits through the ether: On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 04:54:05PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote: On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 04:47:43PM +0100, Dean wrote: Um. I no longer want children. You *wanted* them? :-) Deep fried? Tastes like chicken! Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software..http://yapc.org/Europe/ ... A Bugless Program is an Abstract Theoretical Concept
Re: Apocalypse Two
Damian Conway sent the following bits through the ether: I suppose you'll want me to put that on the CPAN now. ;-) Yes. Didn't we sponsor you for this ;-) Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software..http://yapc.org/Europe/ ... Remember when we said there was no future? Well, this is it
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-30
Philip Newton sent the following bits through the ether: I missed the mention that london-list may be moving to london.pm.org at some point. There's no point in mentioning it again until it happens, surely. So, when's it gonna happen list-meisters? Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software..http://yapc.org/Europe/ ... It's tourist season in Florida, bag limit two.
Re: cocktails
Greg McCarroll sent the following bits through the ether: However the best place to get margharitas[1] is the argentinian steak bar called `gaucho grill', if anyone wants to leave early from the next social meeting to go there let me know and i'll book a table - its the best steak in the UK I have to agree with this. The bar isn't terribly large (at least not in the one off Regent's Stree), but the cocktails are *lovely* and the steak *gorgeous*. The theme is a bit, errr, loud (cow-style seats etc.) and it's fairly dark (err, intimate), but it's a lovely (not cheap) place. Oh, and I'm feeling generous, so I'll buy a drink for the first person to place the quote in my .signature ;-) Now if only I could find a copy of this... Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software..http://yapc.org/Europe/ ... Did you know there's a guy living in our closet?
Re: TPC Travel
Cross David - dcross sent the following bits through the ether: It's that time of year again boys and girls. I know it all fell apart last year, but I'm an optimist and am going to try again. It's passed that time, actually ;-) Trailfinders found me, and I've confirmed, the following Northwest Airlines flights: 21st July 12:10 Gatwick - Minneapolis - San Diego 18:55 28th July 12:10 San Diego - Minneapolis - Gatwick 09:00 ... for a grand total of 539.50 squid (inc everything). There were direct flights for a bit more, but I was trying to keep it cheap. Anyone found a cheaper way to get there just to spite me? Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software..http://yapc.org/Europe/ ... All life's answers are on TV. - Bart Simpson
Re: tube strike / may meeting postponed til 10th
jo walsh sent the following bits through the ether: well, it looks like the tube strike (8pm Weds 2nd May - 8pm Thurs 3rd May) is still on, and this will scupper our May social meeting plans rather. It's not anymore, but we shouldn't shift the date again: http://www.thetube.com/content/pressreleases/ Where will the (delayed) meeting be? Have we booked a room? ;-) Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software..http://yapc.org/Europe/ ... I always lie. In fact, I'm lying to you right now!
Stuffed camel
Stuffed Camel 1 whole camel, medium size 1 whole lamb, large size 20 whole chickens, medium size 60 eggs 12 kilos rice 2 kilos pine nuts 2 kilos almonds 1 kilo pistachio nuts 110 gallons water 5 pounds black pepper Salt to taste Skin, trim and clean camel (once you get over the hump), lamb and chicken. Boil until tender. Cook rice until fluffy. Fry nuts until brown and mix with rice. Hard boil eggs and peel. Stuff cooked chickens with hard boiled eggs and rice. Stuff the cooked lamb with stuffed chickens. Add more rice. Stuff the camel with the stuffed lamb and add rest of rice. Broil over large charcoal pit until brown. Spread any remaining rice on large tray and place camel on top of rice. Decorate with boiled eggs and nuts. Serves friendly crowd of 80-100. Can *someone* please pick a date to go visit the camel? Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software..http://yapc.org/Europe/ ... Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, know what I mean?
Re: Mailbox power ..
Robin Szemeti sent the following bits through the ether: this mornings powerdown @ 06:00 .. what time did yours come back up and has it gone up and down again since then .. mines been down twice :( Up at midday, which is terrible as the box wasn't supposed to be affected due to a UPS. However, not many UPS's last six hours. Bad Mailbox! Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software..http://yapc.org/Europe/ ... DOC files? We don't need NO STINKIN' DOC FILES!
Re: MySQL - Oracle wrapper/compat. libs
Paul Makepeace sent the following bits through the ether: If it was that simple, someone would've done it -- DBI is a very mature and competent module That's the problem. It seems like people aren't content with writing their own, slightly different, templating system, and have moved onto many different DBI abstraction layers to cope with all databases at the same time. The OO-DB persistence modules all have their own way of doing it too... Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software..http://yapc.org/Europe/ ... Did anyone see my lost carrier?
Re: DBD::*-bind_param() ?
Paul Makepeace sent the following bits through the ether: Does anyone have any Real World experience with the speed-up (even hand-wavy vague anecdotes) of using bind values v. reparsing the SQL each time (for databases that support this obviously). Postgres and Oracle I'm particularly interested in. It helps a lot (and is also blindingly easy to benchmark yourself ;-). Using bind_columns also helps to speed up DBI, see: http://www.activestate.com/ASPN/Mail/msg/perl-DBI-dev%3A503109 Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software..http://yapc.org/Europe/ ... Insert part M into notch C of part F
Re: MySQL - Oracle wrapper/compat. libs
Mark Fowler sent the following bits through the ether: Don't see why this isn't possible Indeed. All you need to do this is: o bytecode and a virtual machine o some way of instrumenting said VM to save interesting info o ability to rewrite bytecode on fly OK, I give you Perl, the Perl debugger, and B::Generate. First one to optimise Perl code (maybe replacing bits of Perl with XS on the fly?) gets a pat on the back. Leon, sleeep -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software..http://yapc.org/Europe/ ... I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it
Re: MySQL - Oracle wrapper/compat. libs
Mark Fowler sent the following bits through the ether: Why you say don't know better, what should I use instead of this. Is there any sensible way to do this in bog standard SQL that won't have a massive perfomance hit on mysql? The nice thing about SQL is that there are so many standards to choose from. Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software..http://yapc.org/Europe/ ... Acoustic - What you play pool with
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-16 (Attempt 2)
Simon Wistow sent the following bits through the ether: Deja-Angst : http://www.inktank.com/index.cfm?toon=02-26-01 Hmmm, that came out on my birthday. I think it's a Sign... Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software..http://yapc.org/Europe/ ... Computer Lie #1: You'll never use all that disk space
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-16 (Attempt 2)
Simon Wistow sent the following bits through the ether: This is the thirteenth of hopefully many weekly summaries of the London Perl Mongers mailing list. For the week starting 2001-04-16: Gosh, that was a hard week to summarise. Thanks Simon! Back to me next week... Leon, who didn't get as many points snowboarding than he does in SSX. Somehow falling hurts more... -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software..http://yapc.org/Europe/ ... To err is human, to forgive... $5.00
Re: OT: parsing xml
Mike Jarvis sent the following bits through the ether: Has anybody dealt with the data exchange xml standard called BMEcat? I've got to hack a parser together quickly and I was hoping to nick somebody else's code. It appears that no-one has answered this. In general, I find XML::Simple very useful (and simple!) for dealing with XML data structures. If you need anything more fancy, look into XML::XPath. Always remember to cache aggressively whenever you use XML. HTH, Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software..http://yapc.org/Europe/ ... All in a day's work for..."Confuse-a-Cat"!
London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-09
This is the twelth of hopefully many weekly summaries of the London Perl Mongers mailing list. For the week starting 2001-04-09: Don't forget the London.pm website for meetings etc. The next meeting is a technical meeting and is on Thursday April 19th at State 51: http://london.pm.org/ Neil Ford obviously gets too much mail as he asked about scripts to help with breaking up mailbox files. Jonathan Stowe mentioned Graham Barr's mailtools, and Simon Cozens plugged his excellent Mail::Audit: http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg04055.html http://search.cpan.org/search?dist=MailTools http://search.cpan.org/search?dist=Mail-Audit Andy Williams confused us all with traceroute, until we read the manpage that is. Dominic Mitchell recommended "TCP/IP Illustrated, Volume 1: The Protocols", which is excellent indeed: http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg04094.html http://www.kohala.com/start/tcpipiv1.html Amongst a HTML- and uuencoded-email fest, Dominic Mitchell and Merijn Broeren gave mutt and mailcap tips for viewing HTML emails: http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg03987.html http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg04140.html http://www.mutt.org/ The social meeting last week was a lot of fun, if a little crazy. However, we really need to start organising the meetings (hey, even Lonix is more organised!), as it was too loud and crowded: http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg04134.html http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg04145.html Robert Shields asked about copyright and licenses for his Perl code, which launched into the typical "GPL evil", "BSD good", "but GPL gives back" , "write your own license", "GPL is unenforcable" thread. Generally Perl code is distributed under the sames terms as Perl itself, that is dual GPL and AL: http://www.opensource.org/ http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html http://language.perl.com/misc/Artistic.html Aaron Trevena announced a piece of Perl which creates UML class diagrams showing relationshiops, methods, attributes, etc for a bunch of scripts/modules so that you can edit them with dia: http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg04227.html http://www.gnome.org/gnome-office/dia.shtml Dean Wilson asked about Perl on HPUX and the error: 'syntax error in file p2.pl at line 2, next 2 tokens "use strict"'. This is a clear case of Perl 4 being installed when you expected Perl 5. There's been some talk on how Perl 6 might avoid this mess: http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg04231.html Dave Cantrell announced that he had uploaded Tie::Scalar::Decay to CPAN, which simulates radioactive decay with a fairly arbitrary half-life of five seconds. Anyone want some PDP-11s? http://search.cpan.org/search?dist=Tie-Scalar-Decay http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg04250.html http://www.telnet.hu/hamster/pdp-11/ And finally, Simon Cozens reckons Italy is very far for antipasti, Paul Makepeace finds truth in Duke Nukem, and Jonathan Stowe brings some poetry to the list: http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg04131.html http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg04171.html http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg04033.html Note that you can now subscribe just to this summary, if you don't want the hassle of tons of london-list mail but still want to keep up: http://www.astray.com/mailman/listinfo/london-list-summary I'm away snowboarding next week (well, okay, hurting myself trying out all those moves I pulled off in SSX) so Simon Wistow will take over the summary and hopefully do another wonderful job ;-), Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software..http://yapc.org/Europe/ ... Squeeze
Re: Disclaimer
Aaron Trevena sent the following bits through the ether: I habitually use the GPL, I have only recently realised how much of a pig it can be to keep a derived work compliant. Yup, that's why I like it so much. *This week* I'm a fan of the GPL, and how it keeps the community going. [insert rant about Australians stealing your GPL / AL webmail program, changing the logo, and selling it...] Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software..http://yapc.org/Europe/ ... Quick! Act as if nothing has happened!
Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April
dcross - David Cross sent the following bits through the ether: Last Thursday I bullied^Wasked some people to consider doing talks for us, Righto, I'd like to do talks on the following subjects: o Creating an optimising compiler and interpreter for a toy language o More Graphing Perl (crazy stuff Marcel and I have done) o Testing (Test, Test::Simple, Test::More, Test::Unit, Devel::Coverage) o Benchmarking (Benchmark, Devel::DProf, Devel::OpProf, Devel::SmallProf) Of course, I'll actually be in the alps snowboarding[1], so this may have to wait until the next technical meet[2] ;-) [1] read this as "hurting" [2] although you're welcome to steal the bottom two and do them without me, sniff -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software..http://yapc.org/Europe/ ... A flashlight is a case for holding dead batteries
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary (list!)
Leon Brocard sent the following bits through the ether: This is the eleventh of hopefully many weekly summaries of the London Perl Mongers mailing list. For the week starting 2001-04-02: I've been asked repeatedly (mostly by Pete Berlin ;-) to set up a seperate list for the london-list weekly summary. That is, for those of you who want to keep up with London.pm, but don't necessarily want hundreds of mails a day. You can now do this, by subscribing to london-list-summary: http://www.astray.com/mailman/listinfo/london-list-summary Note that I'll still post the summary to london-list (for now at least). HTH, Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software..http://yapc.org/Europe/ ... isopropyl sethylphosphonofluoridate
Re: Backslash
Mark Fowler sent the following bits through the ether: Slashdot, and everything else running Slash (i.e. use.perl.org) seem to no longer be doing XML RSS feeds, but a custom DTD called 'backslash'. I was wondering if anyone knows anything about this. Don't know about the Big Picture, but you can still get RDF: http://www.slashdot.org/slashdot.rdf http://use.perl.org/useperl.rdf Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... BREAKFAST.COM Halted... Cereal Port Not Responding.
Re: Question
james_h sent the following bits through the ether: In a (possibly vain) attempt to think ahead, I am looking for some info on London-based Perl jobs. I have about 3/4 months experience in Perl programming, and ideally would like to stay in the city area. Anyone know of some good places to start? Well, posting to this list is always a start, although I doubt planning far ahead will help. Come to the meeting on Thursday and ask around then. Otherwise, monster.co.uk and jobsearch.co.uk. I guess 3 months experience in Perl programming would mean working for a newmedia agency... HTH, Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... Duh! It's like a totally famous quote!
London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-02
This is the eleventh of hopefully many weekly summaries of the London
Perl Mongers mailing list. For the week starting 2001-04-02:
Don't forget the London.pm website for meetings etc. The next social
meeting is on Thursday at the Anchor on Bankside, where Dave Cross
will give away a copy of Lincoln Stein's "Network Programming with
Perl" to the person who asks in the nicest manner. The next technical
meeting is on Thursday April 19th:
http://london.pm.org/
This week was fairly random, mainly because of April Fool's Day. I
released a silly Buffy module (which, a la Bleach, converts modules
into "BUffY bUFFY BUffY bUFFY bUfFy buffy..."), with example decss
code. Schwern released DNA ("CCAA CCAA AAGT CAGT TCCT CGCT..."), mjd
released SuperPython (" ..."), and David Cantrell released
(late) Pony, a converter to "a lovely ASCII-art rendition of a pony".
O'Reilly broke news about Parrot, a merging of Perl and Python:
http://www.usis.usemb.se/Holidays/celebrate/april.html
http://search.cpan.org/search?dist=Buffy-1.00
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg03743.html
http://search.cpan.org/search?dist=DNA-0.01
http://search.cpan.org/search?dist=SuperPython-0.91
http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=01/03/31/206248
Rather more importantly, Dave Cross pointed out that Damian Conway has
gone through the Perl 6 RFCs and guessed what Perl 6 might be
like. Nathan Torkington announced that Larry Wall has finally released
the first part of his Perl 6 plans, starting with the first
Apocalypse. Read these two articles if you want to know where Perl is
going:
http://www.yetanother.org/damian/Perl5+i/
http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/04/02/wall.html
London.pm hit NTK with the old pimb gag:
http://www.ntk.net/index.cgi?back=2001/now0330.txt#ANTI_NEWS
Robert Shiels asked for a good example of how to keep business and
presentation logic seperate. Dave Hodkinson replied that Template
Toolkit will help a lot. A new version of Template Toolkit came out
this week, with new features (and unfortunately some small bugs):
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg03764.html
http://www.template-toolkit.org/pipermail/templates/2001-March/000786.html
Greg McCarroll, who posted far too often this week, is storming along
on the Perl Certification (see new list). He also posted
anti-Scientology rants on the list to try and get it banned, and
started a huge thread about blowing things up with "Did you all know
that i used to blow up pressurised butane cannisters as a child?". He
also suggested organising a camp out with cider, a camp fire, drinking
and talking (or maybe a cottage in Wales):
http://lists.perl.org/showlist.cgi?name=perl-cert
http://www.xenu.net/
http://firedrake.org/roger/fireworks/
http://www.lemaitrefx.com/
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg03844.html
http://www.middlefarm.com/
http://www.inlink.com/~perlguy/campcamel/
Dave Hodgkinson tried to get us to join the Jedi religion and make it
an officially-recognised one:
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg03817.html
http://slashdot.org/articles/01/03/05/0252249.shtml
Jo Walsh wants Dave Cross to organise a trip to see the
London.pm-sponsored camel at London zoo:
http://london.pm.org/camel.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg03862.html
Martin Ling delurked and couldn't believe we were all nutters and
Buffy fans. David Adler added "drunks". Jonathan Stowe added
"skateboarders, musicians". Lucy McWilliam (who has very amusing
taglines) added "geeks, goths, jugglers, Netscis. And that's just
me". Paul Makepeace added "unicyclist". Greg McCarroll added "drunk
crazy buffy fans".
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ts/book-similarities/1565922204/qid%3D980318967/+buffy+perlhl=en
And finally, Jo Walsh asked if Perl version 5.6.1 would be out
soon. It's gone gold, but don't tell anyone. In other news, the Perl
5.7 pumpkin, Jarkko Hietaniemi (which we can all pronounce correctly,
thanks to Damian), is making appearances in "Black White", a new god
game, everywhere:
http://freebs23.iserver.net/jarkko.jpg
http://www.bwgame.com/
http://archive.develooper.com/perl5-porters%40perl.org/msg24544.html
Leon
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Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/
yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/
... AAaaeee wizzaaardsah staaafff has a knobontheend, knobontheend
Re: sub BEGIN {}
Neil Ford sent the following bits through the ether: Details? Location? URL? http://gllug.linux.co.uk/ Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... "Suicide Hotline... please hold"
Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)
Dean sent the following bits through the ether:
Is it just me or do we seem to thread drift a lot recently...
Yes - I've noticed this recently ;-)
ObTopic: Yup, did Perl grammar, and French and German and seven years
of Latin and I think I'm really good at it too and don't talk to me
about Greek I failed that exam and I think that knowing all these
grammars helps me understand the parser for Perl and the parser for
Ruby and I think the lexer is know the nastiest bit and in human
languages that must be quite hard too surely and Angel was really good
last night ("She") and I forgot to mention thespians in the summary
(it acts out plays on irc: http://www.funkplanet.com/thespians/) and
yesterday I presented both The Importance of Being Earnest (Oscar
Wilde) and that was amazing and the scottish play and...
Leon
ps I say old chap, one does not converse like the above normally,
you must understand. I am attempting to inject some humour
into the situation.
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... That must be wonderful! I don't understand it at all
Re: sub BEGIN {}
Simon Wistow sent the following bits through the ether: Dean I think your clock is out by an hour which really screws up my threading/archiving/tiny little mind - any chance you could fix it. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en-gb] (WinNT; U) Simon, I think your mail reader has broken threading: http://www.jwz.org/doc/threading.html Any chance you could use a decent one? I suggest mutt. Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... All programmers are optimists
Re: sub BEGIN {}
Simon Wistow sent the following bits through the ether: I'm not threading. I order my mail by date. Ptt. No wonder you're getting confused! :-P Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV
Re: Social Meeting (fwd)
Lucy McWilliam sent the following bits through the ether: Gah. I see I shall have to drag(?!) you all along to upcoming beer festivals. Nooo. You just gave me a mental image of London Perl Mongers in drag! Arrghghghgghgh Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... (A)bort (R)etry (P)ull leg (H)ot boot (S)wipe tagline!
Buffy
http://www.astray.com/Buffy/
Leon
ps if only PAUSE weren't down, this'd be on CPAN already...
--
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yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/
... An unbreakable toy is useful for breaking other toys
NAME
Buffy - An encryption scheme for Buffy the Vampire Slayer fans
SYNOPSIS
use Buffy;
print "Hello world";
DESCRIPTION
The first time you run a program under `use Buffy', the module removes
most of the unsightly characters from your source file. The code
continues to work exactly as it did before, but now it looks like this:
use Buffy;
BUffY bUFFY BUffY bUFFY bUfFy buffy BUFfy buFFY BufFy BufFY bUFfy
BuFFY buffy bufFy bUffy bUffY BuFfy BuffY bUFfy BUfFY BUFFy Buffy bUffY
BuFFY BUFFy BufFy BUFfy BUfFY buFfy BuffY BuFfy BUfFY bUffy buFFy
BUffy bUffy
DIAGNOSTICS
`Can't buffy '%s''
Buffy could not access the source file to modify it.
`Can't rebuffy '%s''
Buffy could not access the source file to execute it.
AUTHOR
Leon Brocard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This was based on Damian Conway's Bleach module and was inspired by
an idea by Philip Newton. I blame London Perl Mongers too...
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg03353.
html
COPYRIGHT
Copyright (c) 2001, Leon Brocard. All Rights Reserved. This module
is free software. It may be used, redistributed and/or modified
under the terms of the Perl Artistic License (see
http://www.perl.com/perl/misc/Artistic.html)
Re: Buffy
Robin Szemeti sent the following bits through the ether: was there not a recent thread regarding a module on CPAN and someone said somehting along the lines of ' we need review of modules before they get onto CPAN...' :) OKOK, and you'd have a "joke" category, into which silly things such as Q::S, Bleach, Buffy, and Symbol::Aprox::Sub would go... Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... A pessimist is never disappointed
[schwern@pobox.com: DNA.pm]
Those crazy Americans! ;-) - Forwarded message from Michael G Schwern [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Michael G Schwern [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: DNA.pm To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 18:17:23 +0100 Not to be outdone by the Brits (see Leon's Buffy.pm http://www.astray.com/Buffy/), American innovation brings us DNA.pm! http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/src/ if it hasn't made it to CPAN yet. NAME DNA - Encodes your Perl program into an Amino Acid sequence SYNOPSIS use DNA; CCAA CCAA AAGT CAGT TCCT CGCT ATGT AACA CACA TCTT GGCT TTGT AACA GTGT TCCT AGCT CAGA TAGA ACGA TAGA TAGA CAGA TAGA CAGA CAGA CAGA TAGA CAGA CAGA CAGA TAGA ATGA TAGA TAGA GTGA CAGA TAGA CTGA CAGA TAGA CAGA CAGA CAGA TAGA TTGA CAGA TAGA CTGA TAGA CAGA CTGA TAGA TCGA CTGA ATGA TAGA TAGA TAGA CAGA TAGA ACGA TAGA ACGA TAGA TAGA TAGA TAGA TAGA TAGA TAGA CTGA CAGA CAGA TTGA TAGA CAGA ATGA CAGA TAGA TAGA GAGA TAGA GTGA CAGA CAGA GTGA TAGA TAGA TTGA TAGA CAGA TAGA CAGA TCGA TTGA CAGA AGCT AACA TACT AGCT AGCT AACA TTGT GAGT TTCT AACA GTTT TCCT CGCT ATCT GGCT GTGT CAGA CAGA TAGA TAGA GAGA TAGA TAGA GAGA TAGA CAGA TAGA GTGA GTGA TAGA GTGA GAGA ATGA TAGA TAGA CAGA TAGA TAGA CAGA TAGA TAGA CAGA TAGA CAGA TAGA CAGA TAGA TAGA TAGA CAGA CTGA GAGA CAGA TCGA GTGA TAGA ATGA TAGA TAGA CAGA ATGA TAGA TTGA TAGA CAGA TAGA TAGA TAGA CAGA CAGA TAGA TAGA ATGA CTGA TAGA ATGA TAGA ATGA ATGA TAGA TAGA TAGA TAGA TAGA CAGA TAGA CAGA TAGA TAGA CAGA TAGA ACGA ACGA TAGA CAGA TAGA GAGT TACA AGTT CGCT CACA GCGA CCAA CCAA ... - End forwarded message - Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... I totally paused!
Re: from ntk
Aaron Trevena sent the following bits through the ether: thats a bit slow for ntk Indeed. Thankfully I've removed all pimb talk from my mail archives. Ten months is pretty slow for meme transfer. I declare NTK too slow and hence dead. What's next? ;-) Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... Sex, Bugs, Rock'n'Roll
Re: Perl Auto-RPC
[EMAIL PROTECTED] sent the following bits through the ether: Here's what I use, which probably isn't what most people would think of when they hear "XML parser" Indeed. This is because it doesn't parse XML. Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... The worst thing about censorship is XX
Re: yapc::Europe::19101?
Philip Newton sent the following bits through the ether: Has anyone else heard anything about yapc::Europe::19101? No. Yes. Maybe? ;-) Well, you'll all be happy to know that we're resurrecting the old yapc::Europe mailing list[1] to give everyone a better idea of what's going on. Planning is *way* more advanced than last year, although perhaps this hasn't been exposed. Ask all you evil questions there ;-) I will, of course, be continuing my Perl Conference World Tour and be there (maybe even for the week so I can pop down to HAL2001 too...) Leon [1] http://yapc.org/Europe/list.html -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... I'm not afraid of clouds in the daytime
Re: Social Meeting (fwd)
Michael Stevens sent the following bits through the ether: Ok, I'm useless, but I've just been to talk to the Cittie, and they say they're booked out next Thursday. Michael, you're *useless*! The only reason I haven't got the weekly summary out yet is because of you being so useless. It has nothing to do with the fact that I just got Zone of the Enders (fun) that happen to come with a Metal Gear Solid 2 demo (fab). Oh no. Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV
Re: That book
Robin Szemeti sent the following bits through the ether: bet he got his mate to write it :) I noticed that. For a moment I thought it was a rigged review by the author / his friend / the publisher. But we know that respectable publishers don't do that kind of thing, right? Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... Money is the root of all wealth
London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-03-19
This is the ninth of hopefully many weekly summaries of the Earth, UK, London, Perl Mongers mailing list. For the week starting 2001-03-19: Don't forget the London.pm website for meetings etc. The next meeting is on Thursday 5th April: http://london.pm.org/ Cozens, Simon misparsed a phrase from the previous summary: "a picture of him drinking a beer from the London.pm website", which implied a Content-type header of either matter-transport/beer-stream or beer/guinness: http://www.illuminated.co.uk/humour/Beer.html http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/htbin/rfc/rfc1437.html Cantrell, David wondered if the number of logins on a workstation per hour should be modelled with a Poisson distribution. We didn't know, but it was pretty: http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg02956.html Duncan, James asked if LWP::Simple supported the un:pw@url URL convention for basic authentication. It does, even though there's no standard: http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg02972.html There was some talk of the Matt's Scripts rewrite project. People seemed to forget how simple the scripts had to be to install: http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg03012.html Ford, Neil forwarded a post from the London Macintosh User Group: an Apple UK person will be demoing MacOS X at their next meeting, and they may even be giving away a copy: http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg03039.html http://www.lmug.org.uk/ http://www.apple.com/macosx/ By far the most amusing thread this week was Cross, Dave pointing out the pointless, badly-written Date-MMDDYY module on CPAN, clearly pointing to a need for kwalitee control on CPAN. It should obviously be -MM-DD, which is ISO standard 8601 instead (if you ignore the Y10K problem for now). Peterson, Jonathan took this slightly futher and suggested we move to "LASTNAME, FIRSTNAME" and "ISO planet code, ISO country code, POSTCODE, Building Number[, apartment number][, business name]". Bowman, Andrew explained Jewish, Irish, and Icelandic naming: http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg03045.html http://search.cpan.org/search?dist=Date-MMDDYY http://www.saqqara.demon.co.uk/datefmt.htm ftp://ftp.qsl.net/pub/g1smd/8601v03.pdf http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg03097.html http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/postal.html http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg03119.html Fowler, Mark asked about Perl training courses in the UK (apart from Learning Tree). Lots of discussion followed about what exactly is required: good programming practices, CPAN, OO, debugging (see ptkdb). celia delurked. Torkington, Nathan pointed that the London Open Source Covention will have Perl tutorials [and that organising a conference isn't easy - well duh, we knew that ;-],. Looks like Iterative and NetThink (contact Cozens, Simon) might be organising some training: http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg03112.html And finally, it appears that Schwern, Michael is an Alien Drag Queen: http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg03105.html http://us.imdb.com/Title?0103645 Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... Wayne Campbell: Exsqueeze me? A baking-powder?
Dimsum Announcement Service
Hi, you have reached the dimsum announcement service. Dimsum will be served today at 12.30pm at the New World restaurant at 1 Gerrard Place in Chinatown. Piers and I will be there. You are all welcome to come, especially if you have any ideas on how to make my Parse::RecDescent parsers work faster. This call has cost you fourty squillion quid. Please call again! Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... And now for something completely the same...
London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-03-12
This is the eighth of hopefully many weekly summaries of the London
Perl Mongers mailing list. For the somewhat hectic week (we hit more
than a hundred messages a day again) starting 2001-03-12:
Don't forget the London.pm website for meetings etc. There isn't a
technical meeting on Thursday due to too much recent Perl
mongering. The next meeting is on Thursday 5th April, and it looks
like Marcel Grunauer might attend:
http://london.pm.org/
Leo Lapworth was trying to debug something with Devel::DProf and
couldn't understand why BEGIN was called more than once. Robert Price
and Mark Fowler pointed out that 'use Module LIST' is exactly
equivalent to 'BEGIN { require Module; import Module LIST; }', so the
module was being use-d in multiple places, which is fine:
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg02667.html
Jonathan Peterson asked about simple RPC modules. Suggestions
included: XML-RPC (Frontier::Client), SOAP::Lite, PlRPC, and even
CORBA::ORBit:
DJ Adams posted another interesting article on Jabber, using a picture
of him drinking a beer from the London.pm website. The thread then got
silly: Dave Cross added the line "The use of the beer glass image in
association with the Perl language is a trademark of the London Perl
Mongers" to the bottom of the website, and David Adler argued the
NY.pm should have had the honour. Marty Pauley, an impartial observer,
disagreed (pizza for NY.pm instead). Some talk of actually
trademarking this was made:
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg02689.html
http://www.openp2p.com/pub/a/p2p/2001/03/09/adams_1.html
http://www.jabber.org/
http://london.pm.org/dj.jpg
Deal Wilson foolishly asked about bad Perl scripts. Cue huge thread to
rewrite Matt Wright's Script Archive (a collection of notoriously
bug/security-ridden scripts), including a recommendation by Randal to
buy Matt Wright's book, bugs on the book's website, why projects to
rewrite Matt's scripts always fail, Dave Cross organising said
project, security issues, having to not use to cool modules,
idiot-installability, "Have you ever tried herding cats?"... "Food and
lots of stroking", why sendmail isn't a standard, Selena Sol having
the same name as Darren Clarke's dad, inverse sponsoring Matt Wright,
giggling, "it's just a simple matter of programming", and maybe some
work on said project:
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg02692.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg02810.html
http://www.worldwidemart.com/scripts/
http://www.mattwright.com/
Simon Wistow asked about autoconf, and Dean Wilson supplied a URL to
the oh-so-useful Goat Book:
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg02726.html
http://sources.redhat.com/autobook/
David Cantrell spilled an IRC discussion about version control into
the list, asking for better version control alternatives to CVS and
RCS. Commercial: Perforce, ClearCase, free: Aegis (used at BlackStar),
CVS ;-):
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg02732.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg02737.html
http://www.perforce.com/
http://www.rational.com/products/clearcase/index.jsp
http://www.pcug.org.au/~millerp/aegis/aegis.html
http://www.cvshome.org/
Dave Cross pointed out that Damian Conway had written up the London.pm
meeting. We 0wn3d him:
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg02748.html
http://www.yetanother.org/damian/diary_February_2001.html#day_31
And finally, Andrew Bowman kidded around with Greg McCarroll in a mail
that I couldn't find in the archive so here it is for your amusment:
From: Andrew Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: heretics meeting
From: Greg McCarroll [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
i should be there from 4:30~5 ish, enjoying a relaxing
pint and explaining why i have a limp
A limp what?
Your message seems to have been truncated Greg ;-)
Andrew.
Phew! Leon
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... It is morally wrong to allow naive computer users to keep their money
Re: Talking about xs...
Roger Burton West sent the following bits through the ether: This strikes me as something that needs a perl module... anyone feeling particularly bored and like playing with XS? ]librsync (http://freshmeat.net/projects/librsync/) I was *sure* something like this was already on CPAN[1]. H. I still don't really see what advantages having this in Perl would give you. What kind of applications were you thinking of? Leon [1] A wrapper: http://dev.perl.org/archive/13/045 -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... A flashlight is a case for holding dead batteries
Dimsum today
Heya folks, Piers and I just realised that we hadn't done dimsum at the New World for a while, so we're doing it today at 1pm. New World is at 1 Gerrard Place in Chinatown, opposite the fire station. Hope to see you there! Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... ASCII and ye shall receive
Re: Descrambling CSS w/ 7 Lines Of Perl
Simon Batistoni sent the following bits through the ether:
I know most people here probably read Slashdot, but this was too sweet to
pass up.
It's cute. Doing the 'x' - 'pack+' substition by hand and then
running through perltidy (http://perltidy.sourceforge.net/, does a
pretty good job) gives :
while ( read +STDIN, $_, 2048 ) {
$a = 29;
$c = 142;
if ( ( @a = unpack +"C*", $_ )[20] 48 ) {
$h = 5;
$_ = unpack +b24, join "",
@b = map { pack +B8, unpack +b8, chr( $_ ^ $a[ --$h + 84 ] ) } @ARGV;
s/...$/1$/;
$d = unpack +V, pack +b25, $_;
$b = 73;
$e = 256 | ( ord $b[4] ) 9 | ord $b[3];
$d =
$d 8 ^ ( $f = ( $t = 255 ) ( $d 12 ^ $d 4 ^ $d ^ $d / 8 ) )
17, $e = $e
8 ^ ( $t ( $g = ( $q = $e 14 7 ^ $e ) ^ $q * 8 ^ $q 6 ) )
9, $_ = (
map {
$_ % 16
or $t ^= $c ^=
( $m = ( 11, 10, 116, 100, 11, 122, 20, 100 )[ $_ / 16 % 8 ] )
110;
$t ^=
( 72, @z = ( 64, 72, $a ^= 12 * ( $_ % 16 - 2 ? 0 : $m 17 ) ),
$b ^= $_ % 64 ? 12 : 0, @z )[ $_ % 8 ];
} ( 16 .. 271 ) )[$_] ^ ( ( $h = 8 ) += $f + ( ~$g $t ) )
for @a[ 128 .. $#a ];
}
print +pack +"C*", @a;
}
Simple, huh? Leon
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yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/
... He who reads many fortunes gets confused
[grit@DND.UTWENTE.NL: announcement: Hacker's conference HAL 2001]
Jamie and I went to HIP97 and had a blast. Yet Another Cool Conference to go to guys ;-) - Forwarded message from Gerrit Hiddink [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Gerrit Hiddink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: announcement: Hacker's conference "HAL 2001" To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 15:22:04 +0100 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL66 (25)] Press Release Enschede, The Netherlands March 5th, 2001 Hackers At Large 2001: debating the future of the Internet. From August 9th until August 12th, the campus of the University of Twente will feature a congress that is unique in its kind: Hackers at Large, or HAL 2001. The congress expects to receive thousands of guests from all over the world and from many different disciplines to debate issues ranging from advanced technical issues regarding some obscure aspect of the Internet to easy-to-understand lectures on some of the dangers of the information society, as well as many, many other topics. But more than debate, the guests at HAL2001 take ample time to get on-line, relax, build and discuss cool stuff, and engage in good old analog interfacing. The congress is unique in that the participants bring their tent and their computer, which is connected to a large high-speed outdoor computer network that provides high bandwidth Internet connectivity for everybody. On-site power generators provide all these computers with the necessary power: more than 1.5 mega-Watts. Some of the people that are organizing HAL 2001 were also involved in the former hacker movement in The Netherlands: those responsible for the late hackers' magazine Hack-Tic and for setting up the first Internet Service Provider in The Netherlands called ``XS4ALL''. But also many people from Dutch universities, companies and other Internet Service Providers participate in making this event possible. The HAL2001 convention is the fourth in a series that has been running every four years since 1989. Quite a few of the participants at "The Galactic Hacker Party" (1989), "Hacking at the End of the Universe" (1993) and "Hacking in Progress" (1997) have been instrumental in bringing about the changes that are upon us today. HAL2001 is for those that can truly celebrate the Internet and embrace new technologies, without forgetting their responsability to tell others that all these wonderful new technologies come with new risks to the individual and to society as a whole. Sponsors: The HAL 2001 organization would like to thank the sponsors for making this event possible: XS4ALL Internet BVwww.xs4all.nl XS4ALL foundation University of Twente www.utwente.nl NLnet foundation www.nlnet.nl USENIXwww.usenix.org ITSX www.itsx.com GorillaPark www.gorillapark.com Board of HAL foundation: Cor Bosman Jaco Lockhorst Rop Gonggrijp HAL-staff: Gerrit Hiddink Eric Slachmuylders Contact Information: URL: http://www.hal2001.org Gerrit Hiddink [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel: (+31) (0)53-4892425 (please observe Dutch office hours) fax: (+31) (0)53-4892452 ----- End forwarded message - -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... "Beulah, peel me a grape."
Re: [grit@DND.UTWENTE.NL: announcement: Hacker's conference HAL 2001]
Leon Brocard sent the following bits through the ether: Jamie and I went to HIP97 and had a blast. Yet Another Cool Conference to go to guys ;-) Oh no! I've just realised that this makes three consecutive weeks with conferences that I want to go to: oscon, yapc::europe, hal2001. Eeek. Wonder what I'll do? Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... ASCII and ye shall receive
Re: Ruby
[EMAIL PROTECTED] sent the following bits through the ether: Slightly OT, but does anyone think it would be possible to run Perl/Ruby/Java bytecode directly on a Transmeta Crusoe chip? As I understand it, you would only need to implement a VLIW translation layer or whatever Yes, right. This layer wotsit may be tricky to write, though ;-) ISTR that Transmeta demoed Java bytecode running when they announced the Crusoe, and also that they explicitly said that they didn't want other people to mess around at that level. It only buys you speed, anyway, and I bet you a strongly untyped language like Perl[1] wouldn't run that much faster... Leon [1] which is why Java-JVM and Java-.NET CLR are hard and slow -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... A living example of Artificial Intelligence
Re: Ruby
Leon Brocard sent the following bits through the ether: [1] which is why Java-JVM and Java-.NET CLR are hard and slow ... A living example of Artificial Intelligence Hmmm, I obviously meant Perl instead of Java there. How bizarre. Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive
Re: Graphical Documentation
Mark Fowler sent the following bits through the ether: I'm needing some programs to produce graphical documentation[2], and as ... 1. Thingys showing SQL tables. 2. Thingys showing OO abstraction If you want to do it by hand, try dia. Actually, I've been thinking about automagically producing these two from the database/perl files using the award-winning[1] GraphViz[2] module. I'm concerned that database/object metadata may not be good enough though. Hmmm, maybe I can do a dia XML - GraphViz layer... Leon [1] I won the "Information Transfer" prize at the German Perl Workshop! [2] A new version of which is winging it's way to CPAN. I fear I need to learn some more MakeMaker skills, though... -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... If it ain't broke, fix it anyway just to screw it up
Re: Ruby
Jonathan Peterson sent the following bits through the ether: The language Ruby looks really cool. Can anyone tell me: It's very Perlish, but over-the-top OO-ish at the same time. The interpreter just runs over the parse tree - none of these fancy bytecodes and stuff. I'm not convinced, but get the best of both worlds with Inline::Ruby ;-) Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... Always remember no matter where you go, there you are
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-02-26
Simon Wistow sent the following bits through the ether: Well ladies and germs, time for London Perl Mongers mailing list summary numero seven for the week starting 2001-02-26. Great! Many thanks to Simon! Let's all buy him a beer at the weekly london.pm meet ;-) Leon is away talking at the German Perl Workshop so anything that goes wrong with this is, as per usual, my fault. It was fun. I met lots of people. People met me and gave me lots of crazy ideas. Inline is cool. My german is better now. We drank Perl wine. It was very organised and very groovy indeed. More soon. Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... You are in a twisty little maze of Unix versions, all different
Re: Greetings
Mark Fowler sent the following bits through the ether: A: When people hire people from the list they normally donate 500 usd to 1000 usd (depending on the role) to YAS (http://www.yetanother.org/) By the way, I'd just like to announce that Emap has donated 500 squid to YAS. This may have happened before we were all made redundant and after Aaron was hired. Way to go Leo! Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... Oh goody! Another Muranium Explosive Space Modulator!
Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(
Philip Newton sent the following bits through the ether: Someone brought up the possibility of the domain name london.pm. On a... related... topic: http://paris.mongueurs.net/ Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... "Bother," said Pooh as the brakes went out!
Re: The Conway Lecture
Andy Mendelsohn sent the following bits through the ether: Mind you, does anyone need encouraging to go and see Damian Conway talk? No. Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... Sucks Syntax
Re: Conway Hall
Greg McCarroll sent the following bits through the ether: we seem to have problems getting anyone to take this to completion Might this have anything to do with the fact that you, sir, are currently in charge[1] of it? Passing the buck, are you sir? Pistols at dawn etc. etc. Leon, vaguely remembering blech volunteering for this... [1] Strong word. You just collected email addresses didn't you? -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... Wanted: Volcano. Average size. Must be active
London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-02-05
This is the third of hopefully many weekly summaries of the London
Perl Mongers mailing list. The list has grown so popular (a hundred
messages a day is not uncommon) that I think this is
necessary. Comments welcome. For the week starting 2001-02-05:
Don't forget the London.pm website for meetings etc. The next meeting
is a technical meeting on Thursday, February 22th when Matt Sergeant
will be talking about AxKit.
This year's yapc::Europe has now been announced, with all the regulars
giving talks no doubt:
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg02119.html
http://yapc.org/Europe/
Dave Cross attempted to sort out the great London.pm Mailing List
Confusion, and got sidetracked rather cleverly by Jonathan Stowe
("Yeah, can I have a pony ?") into an irc #perl obsession. By the way,
in addition to the mailing list there is also a London.pm IRC server
at london.rhizomatic.net, channel #london.pm (btw dodgy connectivity
recently):
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg02014.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg02028.html
Damian Conway is coming at the end of the month, and we may well be
hosting it in... the Conway Hall!
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg02080.html
http://www.ethicalsoc.org.uk/conway/hall.htm
Should the general public be able to program? Jonathan Peterson
reckons (amongst others) that they should, and that "Perl for Dummies"
kind of books should be encouraged. Others disagreed, saying that bad
programmers tend not to realise how bad they are, which is bad and
dangerous, and that bad habits are hard to unlearn. A car and oil
metaphor got taken way too far. Books with errors got mentioned.
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg02025.html
Mark Fowler and Shevek talked about garbage collection, which is crazy
deep magic:
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg02072.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg02077.html
http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Hans_Boehm/gc/
An interesting thread happened describing interesting jobs people had
before entering the Perl world. Best ones so far include working in
Iceland in fish factories ("The Artic Ocean is way cool!") and offal
processing.
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg01928.html
Some discussion about the location of this month's meeting (which was
fun) occured. It was basically quite noisy, expensive, and not very
central. People are looking at alternatives. The discussion meandered
into talk about Wong Kei, a Chinese with legendary bad service.
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg02011.html
On Thursday, a London.pm Heretic Meeting happened in a lovely pub with
a nice warm fire by the Thames. For the uninitiated, a Heretic Meeting
happens when the first thursday of the month is the 1st. Heretic
meetings thus happen on the 7th, and are organised (?) by Greg and not
Dave. This'll happen again next month...
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg02074.html
A little discussion on Midgard lead onto a new Perl Application server
wotsit, currently being discussed on the Template-Toolkit list. It
also contains Yet Another Perl Object Persistence Framework.
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg02091.html
http://www.midgard-project.org/
http://openinteract.org/
http://openinteract.org/spops/
Getting rapidly back on topic, Mark Fowler discusses the poor/good
Buffy film. This thread evolved into why film trailers contain all the
jokes in the actual film, or sometimes even more:
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg02105.html
Simon Wistow is still looking for moose, and presents "Dada Dodo Does
Four Char Word Ouli Perl". #london.pm is also getting a bit of a crazy
place for Ouilipo stuff:
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg02118.html
http://www.twoshortplanks.com/simon/four/
And finally, we now know how famous Perl authors such as Dave Cross
spend their day:
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg01982.html
http://bbspot.com/News/2001/01/perl_god.html
Leon
--
Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/
yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/
... 3 out of 4 Americans make up 75% of the population
Dimsum today!
For all those recovering from the TVRs last night, Piers and I are going for dimsum at the New World (Gerrard Place, iirc) at 12.30. You are all invited, but only if you speak softly and don't shine bright lights... Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... S met ing's hap ening t my k ybo rd . .
Re: Meeting Reminder
Simon Wistow sent the following bits through the ether: Conveniently close to Cynthia's Cyberbar. No, please god, no! Can't we just try and forget this excuse for a bar?[1] Leon [1] Which may be handy in the "I need a weird bar which is bound to be empty, and, oh, by the way, how about a robotic barmaid too?" sense -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... Don't try to outweird me, three-eyes!
Re: Fwd: [uri@sysarch.com: free copy of data munging with perl]
Dave Cross sent the following bits through the ether: I'd be failing in my duty as group leader if I didn't pass on this announcement from the Perl Mongers Group Leaders mailing list :) Yes. I've actually got a copy of this fine book lying in my bedroom right now. An actual book! Hardcopy! Not on the screen! Let's buy Dave a drink or two ;-) Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... And tomorrow will be like today, only more so
Re: Fwd: [mengerin@deja.com: [?] Template Toolkit]
Dave Cross sent the following bits through the ether: I got the following email in response to my TT2 article. I know nothing about EmbPerl so I can't really answer these points. Does anyone who has used EmbPerl have any ammo that I can use in my reply? Embperl is entirely Apache and web based, which is good for some things and bad for some things, like having the template wotsit work orthogonally to everything else. They're about the same speed, as they both compile the templates to Perl, which they then evaluate. The Embperl compiler is in C, but in my tests this doesn't save you much as mostly you only compile templates once. While I'm at it, I looked at the TT2 compiler last week and it generates pretty damn good code pretty quickly indeed. Writing compilers to Perl rocks. Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... All generalizations are false, including this one
