FMD (was Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-21)
Redvers Davies writes: About that flyer... FMD presents no risks to humans but is a serious threat to animal health. That is not strictly true... FMD is not a threat to animal health, the MAFF slaughters are. I'm not taking sides about whether the slaughters are justified. Here, though, are the facts about the disease. FMD causes painful suppurating blisters around the mouth and on the hooves of animals. The blisters break open after a few days and become infected sores up to six cm in size. While the disease cause a higher death rate amoung young animals, it rarely kills adults. However, it makes them lame, unable to eat, and ill. The mouth lesions heal, but in many cases the hoofs can separate from the soft tissue around them. There are no cures or treatments. It's an incredibly hardy virus that spreads easily and exists in many strains. Recovered animals can carry the virus for up to three years, and are generally only immune to reinfection from the same strain for 1-3 years. You can see pictures of the progress of the disease at: http://svs.mri.sari.ac.uk/FandMinx.htm In countries where the virus is endemic, veterinarians must vaccinate at regular intervals. The vaccines only offer protection for a short period of time, are expensive, and in some cases contain live viruses that may infect the animals. Sources: http://www.agric.gov.ab.ca/livestock/fmd/ http://svs.mri.sari.ac.uk/NewsFM.htm http://school.discovery.com/homeworkhelp/worldbook/atozscience/f/203700.html http://www.up.ac.za/academic/veterinary/fmd/ Nat
tpj #20
Nobody noticed that in my article's code examples I revealed my pick for sexiest slayer on Buffy. Pout. Nat
Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?
Robin Houston writes: On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 11:30:28PM +0100, Barry Pretsell wrote: It sounds like a good idea (must be better than having 3 editions of Programming Perl) and I'm tempted to give it a go, so any Safari subscribers out there with an opinion? Don't forget the ever-fabulous http://corvin.spb.ru/ You know, I've checked my royalty statement for the Cookbook, and nary a penny came from this Russian pirate website. The point of Safari is that you pay a very small amount of money for very convenient access, and the author gets some of it (I believe authors get a greater royalty via Safari than they do via printed books, because we don't have printing costs). When you don't pay money, whether you justify it because you already own the book, or because you're a poor student, you're screwing the authors. But they won't miss my $1. Your dollar is no different from everyone else's, and if everyone else thought the same thing, there'd be no dollars. Who here has written a book? Simon and Dave at least. It's not easy, is it? It's an exercise in MISERY. Huge numbers of lost evenings, missed family moments, and late nights. When I was writing the Perl Cookbook, I had to miss a family trip to Disneyworld and a rare talk.bizarre party in Montreal because of book deadlines. If there's nothing waiting at the end but your name on a book nobody buys because some assface in Russia offers it up for free on the web, I sure as hell wouldn't have done it. I'd have had fun with my family and friends, enjoyed those evenings, and spent a hell of a lot less time worrying about the placement of commas and the difference between which and that. So thanks for the pointer to your ever-fabulous Russian thief, but my son would really prefer that you tried Safari. Thanks, Nat
RE: TPC Quiz Team
Dave Cross writes: It's been so long, I have to ask: what was my article in the most recent TPJ? :-) It was a beginners guide to Arrays. Complete with examples drawing heavily on the world of Buffy. Oh I remember now. In fact, I specifically remember rolling my eyes :-) Nat
[OT] Cordelia (was Re: They are all vampires!)
Speaking of vampires, you've got a treat coming up with Angel. After the exploitative tv show there was a lull of a week, and then ... Boobapalooza! You boys will be capturing plenty of stills from the season-ending shows. Think Princess Leia only funny and jaw-droppingly gorgeous. Nat
RE: TPC Quiz Team
Cross David - dcross writes: Having read Nat's article in the new TPJ, I think we should also have: The use of Buffy the Vampiure Slayer in association with the Perl language is a trademark of the London Perl Mongers It's been so long, I have to ask: what was my article in the most recent TPJ? :-) Nat
Re: [gnat@frii.com: Damian Conway's Exegesis 2]
Leon Brocard writes: Coo, coo, see the fabled perl6, remark how it looks just like perl5, wonder if anything's different and if there's a point to all this ;-) Jihad on Leon, anyone? :-) perl6 is supposed to look a lot like perl5. If it didn't, we'd call it Python or something like that. The interesting bits are where it doesn't look like perl5 (optional types! operator and variable properties! new built-in porn!). Did I say porn? I meant data types. Nat
Good Omens movie
Terry Gilliam signed to it. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010514/re/cannes_deals_dc_2.html Nat
Re: Irish music (was RE: Movies (was Re: Buffy musings ...))
Dave Cross writes: Some names there that I don't know, but will be checking out. I bet the Green Linnet compilation is good. Oh yes. That's what I used to decide which artists to buy. Another CD arrived yesterday, a Rounder compilation of 1920s recordings of trad. Irish musicians. I was surprised how similar the music is to today--I'm not used to folk music that isn't polluted by jazz and rock :-) Nat
Re: Buffy musings ...
David H. Adler writes: 1) Charisma isn't really minor anymore, being second lead in Angel. True. And after the bikini scene, she's a bigtime star. BIG time. BIG. If you know what I mean. Yowzers. 2) Get Willow. Dammit. I'll see what they cost. It might be prohibitively expensive to get anyone who's cute. 3) Get the editors to come. Maybe I can convince them to hire me. :) Editors? This show isn't edited, it's live. Isn't it? Nat
Re: Buffy musings ...
Dean writes: Does any one know if ORA will be selling a compilation of the papers again after this conference? We will. Nat
O Brother (was Re: Buffy musings ...)
Piers Cawley writes: I'm trying to work out if I was bowled over by 'Go to sleep pretty baby' because of the song or the visuals... Ob Porn: You can see a nipple and curve of a breast through a wet shirt if you look in the right place. Nat
Movies (was Re: Buffy musings ...)
Greg McCarroll writes: And while we are on the old films chestnut, my current recommendation is 'O Brother, where art thou?', excellent film. I loved it. I've seen it twice. Of course, I'm a bluegrass music nut. Nat
Re: Movies (was Re: Buffy musings ...)
Greg McCarroll writes: I think `man of sorrow' will be a good ambassador for bluegrass Yup, it is. I'd just like to add that I saw it performed by the real band (i.e., not George Clooney lipsynching) one week ago. It was bloody brilliant. I think I even have a photo on the digital camera of them around the microphone doing the harmonies. No fake beards, though :-) There are rumours of a Soggy Bottom Boys tour in 2002. There was a big concert of the music from the movie last year, and it was recorded by some famous documentarian. I'm looking forward to the release of that. On the subject of music (despite the Subject: of movies) ... anyone here into trad. Irish instrumental music? Nat
Re: Irish music (was RE: Movies (was Re: Buffy musings ...))
Cross David - dcross writes: Well, I prefer stuff with lyrics, but enjoy almost any kind of Irish (and English) folk music. The CDs on high rotation right now are: Brendan Begley, We Won't Go Home 'Til Morning Green Linnet Artists, Green Linnet Records: The 20th Anniversary Collection Kevin Burke, Sweeney's Dream Kevin Burke, In Concert Kevin Burke, Up Close Lúnasa, Lúnasa What are you doing between TPC and Y::E? You sound like the kind of person who would really enjoy the Cambridge Folk Festival http://www.cam-folkfest.co.uk/. That looks great (and it pointed me to The Black Cat Theory, a banjo band I will watch), but it's too far away. As I'm sure you'll agree, the flight between California and London is one that you want to make as few times as possible. However, Dublin is closer. Dublin, Ohio that is. http://www.dublinirishfestival.org/ It has some bands I've heard of (Altan, Cherish the Ladies, Martin Dennis) and might be a lot of fun. Downside is that it's Ohio :-) Nat
Buffy musings ...
... I wonder how hard it would be to get Faith or Charisma Carpenter or one of those other minor characters to do a meet'n'greet at TPC. I suspect they're hard to dislodge from LA, but it might still be worth a try[1]. I'm tracking down their agents now. Nat [1] or it's the NyQuil talking
Re: [OT] Flecktones in London next month
Neil Ford writes: I can now confirm this is at The Pizzaexpress Jazz Club, 10 Dean Street, Soho, London W1 - Reservations: 020 7439 8722 (the new listings arrived this morning!). Of course, this being the evening the tube strike starts, getting there and back could be fun. I saw them play on Thursday. I'd say it's worth venturing out if you're a jazz fan or a bass player. Nat
Re: [london-list-summary] London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-23
Leon Brocard writes: Registration has opened for this year's Perl Conference in San Diego. It's gonna be a great conference - the talks all look excellent (thanks gnat!) You're welcome. I'm going to give a lightning talk at YAPC or TPC about just what a clusterfuck it was this year. Many swearwords. If I had more balls I'd do performance art in my lightning talks. My God, cover your eyes Mary! The angry man's shooting up with his own faeces! Nat
Re: [OT] Flecktones in London next month
Dave Hodgkinson writes: Norman Watt Roy ? Clive off of (void) told me to mention Billy Sheehan, Stu Hamm and Jaco Pastorius and see what happened :-) I'll see your Jaco and raise you Dave la Rue. All good, but if you haven't seen Victor Wooten, you should. He's terrifying. Nat
Re: The Most Boring Thread Ever on London.pm : Cool Letter Heads
Damian Conway writes: Ate was the goddess of folly, strife, discord, and mischief. She was a daughter of Zeus, banished to Earth for her wickness in leading men astray. ^^ [...] (or worse!) for garters if they catch you confusing Her with that bitch Ate ;-) That's my kind of bitch :-) Nat
Re: Madness! It's Madness!!
dcross - David Cross wrote: Damian's been busy over the last couple of weeks and has produced a load of documentation on what he thinks Perl 6 _might_ be like. It's at http://www.yetanother.org/damian/Perl5+i/. Also, Larry's released the first part (Apocalypse) of his perl6 plans. http://www.perl.com/ has it, and it should percolate through perl6-announce soon. Nat
Re: CPAN Logo
Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: Also, since the font comment made someone other than myself bristle a bit I would like to point out that ORA is not CPAN in any way, shape or form save the exception of the /doc directory tchrist has on perl.com. And I'd like to say that I hope O'Reilly has done nothing to promote the confusion. We make no claims that CPAN is anything to do with us. If you find something we've said or done that might cause that confusion, please tell us and we'll fix it. Saying the CPAN multiplexor here doesn't count, because Tom did that. :-) (and I'm not sure anyone much uses it now, given that the quality of service in CPAN mirrors is a billion times better this year than three years ago). Nat
Re: Perl Auto-RPC
Simon Wistow wrote: You use the RPC::Automagic module and pass it a RPC server/port/user name/password/whatever. From that point on it overloads the use keyword and anything you try and use it will actually connect to the RPC server and pass it all the parameters. Any modules you didn't want froma remote server you just use them before you use the RPC module. Or tell it to ignore those. That's kinda, but not quite, what SOAP::Lite has. For a single namespace you can tell SOAP::Lite that function calls are really SOAP calls. It's all invisible, and really cool. If you whispered this idea into Paul Kulchenko's ear, he'd probably have it implemented within a day :-) Nat
Re: Perl Auto-RPC
Greg McCarroll wrote: sure it makes sense, but it still is CiP and trust me this isn't the only bit of CiP in here and much kudos to Paul for it ;-) I'm unsure what CiP is, but if it has anything to do with gnarliness, I know that Paul wrote a 1k regexp to parse XML correctly. It only fails one test from a real XML parsing package, and he tracked that to the limitations of the new RE stuff in 5.6.0. That dropped my jaw. Nat
Re: Social Meeting (fwd)
David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I should confess that I recently installed python on one of my boxen. Excuse: something else needed it. However, I'd like to take a look at it sometime. Same goes for Ruby. More things for the to-do queue. I found Ruby much closer to Perl in spirit. If Perl didn't exist, I'd be using Ruby not Python. If Perl hadn't existed, there would be no Ruby. And that's today's exploration of alternate realities. We now return you to your chosen reality. Nat
Re: Perl Training Courses
Mark Fowler wrote: One of my collegues asked me about Perl training courses in the U.K. To be honest, we have no idea what is good, what is bad, etc, and so I suggested asking you lot. The London Open Source Convention will have Perl tutorials. If only I could say precisely when it would be, I'd do a much better job of plugging it. It's the heisenconvention! You can know where but not when, or vice-versa! Seriously, we were surprised when another conference announced itself over top of our dates, so we're trying to work out how best to deal with that (move, reposition, whatever). Never ever think conferences are easy. Nat
Re: Perl Books
Alex Page writes: Yeah... I always forget to flush when forking, and I've done some horrible things with IPC::Open3 before... I'm shuddering at the thought of the human equivalent of atomic writes. "The largest nugget that will pass through a pipe intact ..." Nat
Re: Perl Books
Robin Szemeti writes: WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS SAYING ... (in big letters just to make sure :) stunningly bright but experience in a different field .. understood. but still one of the (very) bright ones. When I worked at an ISP, our motto was: The customer is an expert in their own field. Meaning, nobody's really a complete idiot and we'd seem just as dumb if we called brain surgery tech support, new mother tech support, or even gardening tech support. This has nothing to do with your thread, but this is London.pm so relevance be fucked :-) Nat
Re: Perl Books
Elaine -HFB- Ashton writes: On the plus side, Addison-Wesley has a new CGI Perl book coming out in early February that should be a major improvement in this particular genre. Hey, if she's allowed to plug, so am I :-) The 2nd edition of "CGI Programming with Perl" (O'Reilly of course) is pretty bloody good. I was midway through writing a CGI class when I got a tech-review copy of the book, and it was what I was going to teach and then some more. I like that :-) Nat
Re: Perl Books
Elaine -HFB- Ashton writes: It's a copy of all the refereed papers as I recall, not the tutorials. It's tape bound and has Conway's Perligata Talk among others. What Elaine said. It's the book we handed out to TPC attendees in 2000, containing the refereed papers. Nat
Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
Andrew Bowman writes: You mean apart from the traditional British summer hols[1]? August is, in some quarters at least, considered a non-month for the purposes of all sorts of events - possibly even for an Open Source Convention :-) Bugger, we were afraid of that. It's more than just Perl, it's for a lot of Open Source (Python, Linux, MySQL, PHP, etc.) What we really need to know is: will our attendance from Europe suffer because it's in August? Thanks, Nat
Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
David Cantrell writes: Linuxbierwanderung 2001. To be held in Belgium but with a large UK contingent. Date to be confirmed within the next couple of weeks, but will almost certainly be a week somewhere between 19 Aug and 8 Sept. It would be *really* great - especially for intercontinental visitors - if your con could be immediately before or after the LBW. The Amsterdam YAPC folks have a bunch of venues they're looking at, but only some have given them specific dates they're free. The only dates they've been told about are for the week before the London OScon. I hope the L16G 2001 doesn't clash with either. As I said, though, we're REALLY worried about Europeans being on vacation and unable to attend. We don't know much about the mysterious habits of this strange and noble race, and would appreciate your guesses as to their actions: will our attendance be buggered[1] because those on the Continong will be sunning their lily-white bottoms in the south of France instead of getting lilier-white by hanging out with other open source geeks?[2] Nat [1] not O'Reilly Official Wording[tm], of course [2] there's an open sores joke to be made there, but I won't do it
Re: Perl 6
David Hodgkinson writes: If we can get past Larry, I imagine we'll make really rapid progress. Is a coup out of the question? The emergency backup plan of airlifting him from California to Colorado and chaining him to the keyboard remains a backup plan. Will advise HQ when time is ripe. Nat
Re: Perl 6
Piers Cawley writes: As Piers said, we are blocked on Larry. We're working on some interpreter design now, but some language issues really need to be nailed down before we know what we're going to be writing. Any idea how long we're going to stay blocked? None whatsoever. Many phone conversations with Larry have lead me to conclude that he'll complete it in his own time or not at all. The trick is deciding which it is :-) Nat
Re: one liner
Michael Stevens writes: I'm sure there are reasonable number of online manuals we'd all like printed copies of. Yeah, but if O'Reilly were to print them, you'd complain that the book was nothing more than the online manual :-) Nat
Re: one liner
I wrote: I'm shit-scared of talking about books in progress, in case I jinx them. We also have another Perl/Tk book coming out. It's more advanced than "Learning ..." and, we hope, learns from the criticism levelled at that book. In particular, look for examples. Nat
Re: Buffy - Kevin Smith tie in
Simon Wistow writes: Bizarre how threads come togther innit ... http://www.psycomic.com/columns/2000/ksmith/ I want to kill Kevin Smith and live his life. He's the luckiest fat fuck in the world. Nat (bottom lip is quivering at the injustice of it all)
