Re: sshd on port 443
Peter Sergeant wrote: Nifty. However, the window change thing doesn't seem to work when the job is started in the background I found that too, the work around is to specify the options explicitly: ./spinner -s /-\| 0.5 Just tried that; no dice. Resizing the window doesn't change the position where the twirling baton is displayed. Not a problem unless you like to resize your windows often (and can't be bothered to stop and re-start the background process). Cheers, Philip [email copies appreciated, since I read the digest] -- Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
YAPC::Europe War
This email got sent to the YAPC::Europe committee mailing list. I thought I'd share it all with you. It's slightly worrying that USians are taking it personally. FWIW my reply was YAPC is a non-political organisation and run by volunteers. Subject: [yapc-comm] Meeting Location To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 04:18:44 -0500 It's a shame that YAPC will exclude many potential attendees by being held in a country that has so soon forgotten how the western allies went to war to free THEM from tyranny and oppression in WW II, and now flaunts itself against those very allies when they are attempting to disarm yet another ruthless tyrant. I would dare say not ONE French citizen would have opposed western involvement when THEIR country was being overrun by Hitler's armies. Could it just _possibly_ be that France and its cohorts are more afraid of losing lucrative business interests than in seeing justice done? It's such a shame! [NAME SNIPPED] -- Don't look for me -- I'm staying in the land of the free. Leon PS Please don't turn this into too much of a political flame war -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ scribot.http://www.scribot.com/ ... Computational Physicist and all around nice guy
Re: sshd on port 443
On Wed, 12 Feb 2003, Peter Sergeant wrote:
./spinner -s /-\| 0.5
If sending null bytes doesn't work, maybe you could send escape codes to
change the title of your xterm.
perl -e '$|=1; while(1) { print \e]2;.localtime().\a; sleep 60 }'
I'm not entirely sure what will happen if something else is printing at
the same time as that script tries to print - it shouldn't be a problem,
but I guess it depends on your implementation.
Mark.
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Re: YAPC::Europe War
On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, Leon Brocard wrote:
Someone unamed wrote:
It's a shame that YAPC will exclude many potential attendees...
It's a troll. YAPC doesn't exclude people. If they did I think you'd
rapidly find that the perl community en-mass would boycotte them.
Ironically, I'm a little concerned about going to the states due to their
really scary laws (DMCA, laws reguarding importing and exporting
cryto[1].) But, as it's mainly politics, I'll probably go anyway.
Mark.
([1] I'll be carrying my laptop, which has openssh et al on it)
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Re: YAPC::Europe War
On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, Mark Fowler wrote: Ironically, I'm a little concerned about going to the states due to their really scary laws (DMCA, laws reguarding importing and exporting cryto[1].) But, as it's mainly politics, I'll probably go anyway. ([1] I'll be carrying my laptop, which has openssh et al on it) Just make sure you don't have any copies of dvdcss on it. Jaosn Clifford -- UKFSN.ORG Finance Free Software while you surf the 'net http://www.ukfsn.org/ Sign Up Now
Re: sshd on port 443
Ok... A few things. The http header: Connection: KeepAlive; Almost certainly will do nothing, as this normally applies to allowing multiple requests to the web proxy, and does not have anything to do with the duration of a single connection. In case you still wish to try this, send the following to the proxy: CONNECT host:port HTTP/1.0\r\nConnection: KeepAlive;\r\n\r\n You'll need to read the http response from the web proxy, and junk it. The response should look something like: HTTP/1.0 200 junk txt message\r\n\r\n TCP KeepAlives are also unlikely to work, unless your web proxy is really really dumb. TCP KeepAlives basically work by sending an empty TCP packet (i.e. no data), which causes a response from the remote end, only very very poor proxy software would actually forward empty packets on, because this should be transparent at the OS level, which is where the web proxy should (tm) be running, of course, this will work correctly, if your web proxy is outside of the firewall that's doing the timing out of connections, but not if it's inside. (Sidenote: because some OS's don't respond to empty tcp packets, some operating systems send a TCP packet, which contains 1 byte of data, which has already been received, causing a response). The best idea so far, seems to be to print control codes with no side effects from a background process. Or even control codes which will be ignored, as they're invalid. (I loved the clock in the title bar one) -Antony
Re: Undefining END block ?
On Wednesday 12 February 2003 5:21pm, Rhys Hopkins wrote:
/lurk
Is there a way to undefine your END block once it has been defined?
No.
You need your code to do something like this:
my $session;
#...
$session = open_session(); # or however you create the session
# do stuff with session...
# close down the session...
undef $session; # now our cleanup code knows it isn't needed
#...
END {
if ($session) { # only do this if the session is still open
close_session ($session); # or however you close the session
}
}
Hope this helps,
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Re: YAPC::Europe War
On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 11:41:45AM +, Simon Wilcox wrote: Not to worry, we'll all have been melted down in a nuclear conflagration by the summer anyway. I doubt it will have been melted down, more likely instantly vapourised, I suspect. And it will probably be friendly-fire that bombs london by the USAF, because they got their maps upside-down, too. Dooom. -- Lusercop.net - LARTing Lusers everywhere since 2002
Re: YAPC::Europe War
Lusercop wrote: I doubt it will have been melted down, more likely instantly vapourised, I suspect. And it will probably be friendly-fire that bombs london by the USAF, because they got their maps upside-down, too. Dooom. It's the war elephants with the amphibious assualt capabilities and cruise missiles that worry me. And the dragons. But that's what I get for playing CivIII with the crack-fueled anachronisms option switched on. PS. This is not the Cold War. Please adjust your strategy. Cheers -- Ti'
RE: Undefining END block ?
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Re: YAPC::Europe War
On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, Simon Wilcox wrote:
Not to worry, we'll all have been melted down in a nuclear conflagration
by the summer anyway.
This is no excuse not to at least to attempt to organise the trip to
YAPC::Europe young man ;-)
How's that going btw?
Mark.
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Re: YAPC::Europe War
Lusercop wrote: On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 11:41:45AM +, Simon Wilcox wrote: Not to worry, we'll all have been melted down in a nuclear conflagration by the summer anyway. I doubt it will have been melted down, more likely instantly vapourised, I suspect. And it will probably be friendly-fire that bombs london by the USAF, because they got their maps upside-down, too. Nope, the truth is they'll be trying to hit the thousands of French people that, in pure French tradition, go hide in London and get called heroes. -- Robin Berjon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Research Engineer, Expwayhttp://expway.fr/ 7FC0 6F5F D864 EFB8 08CE 8E74 58E6 D5DB 4889 2488
Re: YAPC::Europe War
On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 12:45, Mark Fowler wrote: On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, Simon Wilcox wrote: Not to worry, we'll all have been melted down in a nuclear conflagration by the summer anyway. This is no excuse not to at least to attempt to organise the trip to YAPC::Europe young man ;-) Dman, cover's blown :) How's that going btw? The plan is to have put a couple of packages together by the end of the month so that people can start booking once the conference registration opens. All things being equal there will be one recommended hotel (with a range of accommodation, bar etc etc), a recommended outbound Eurostar and hopefully an open return for those staying on. The agent that is organising it will handle the bookings on an individual basis although we may need to pair up for twin rooms before booking. More news as it comes in. Simon.
Re: YAPC::Europe War
On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 12:06, Tim Sweetman wrote: Lusercop wrote: I doubt it will have been melted down, more likely instantly vapourised, I suspect. And it will probably be friendly-fire that bombs london by the USAF, because they got their maps upside-down, too. PS. This is not the Cold War. Please adjust your strategy. OK then, as we rot from the inside in the dust from the dirty bombs let off around London. Better ? S.
Re: YAPC::Europe War
Simon Wilcox wrote: On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 12:06, Tim Sweetman wrote: Lusercop wrote: I doubt it will have been melted down, more likely instantly vapourised, I suspect. And it will probably be friendly-fire that bombs london by the USAF, because they got their maps upside-down, too. PS. This is not the Cold War. Please adjust your strategy. OK then, as we rot from the inside in the dust from the dirty bombs let off around London. Better ? That'll do, yes ... Cheers Ti'
Re: YAPC::Europe War
Leon Brocard wrote: This email got sent to the YAPC::Europe committee mailing list. I thought I'd share it all with you. Have you sent it to the YAPC::Paris people (supposing that yapc-comm is the mothership and they're not on it)? They may wish to discuss putting up a statement to avoid further trolling. It's slightly worrying that USians are taking it personally. Indeed. I knew part of the media there was going insane but I thought that it was clear to everyone France and Russia have a very solid option on a quarter or the Iraqi oil, and aren't readily prepared to surrender it to the US, which they don't trust for justice anyway. I would dare say not ONE French citizen would have opposed western involvement when THEIR country was being overrun by Hitler's armies. Alas, I wish that had been true. -- Robin Berjon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Research Engineer, Expwayhttp://expway.fr/ 7FC0 6F5F D864 EFB8 08CE 8E74 58E6 D5DB 4889 2488
Re: YAPC::Europe War
On 13 Feb 2003, Simon Wilcox wrote: I doubt it will have been melted down, more likely instantly vapourised, I suspect. And it will probably be friendly-fire that bombs london by the USAF, because they got their maps upside-down, too. PS. This is not the Cold War. Please adjust your strategy. OK then, as we rot from the inside in the dust from the dirty bombs let off around London. Better ? Well that's easy to avoid. Simply sell more bleach to all muslims ;) Alternatively face the reality that we've lived with real terrorist threats for over 30 years and in all that time the only radioactive weapons used have been those we've used (ie DU shells). Dirty bomb threats are not new. The risk has been around for a very long time. War against Iraq doesn't make it more so. Jason -- UKFSN.ORG Finance Free Software while you surf the 'net http://www.ukfsn.org/ Sign Up Now
[buffy] is leaving?
to be replaced by the much fitter Eliza Dushku http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/2756657.stm maybe I will start watching this now instead of leaving my girlfriend on a thursday night and escaping down the pub. jp
Re: YAPC::Europe War
Jason Clifford wrote: [On 13 Feb 2003, Simon Wilcox peered dimly into the future of asymmetric warfare]: OK then, as we rot from the inside in the dust from the dirty bombs let off around London. Better ? Well that's easy to avoid. Simply sell more bleach to all muslims ;) *cough* all muslims *cough*... oh, a smiley. Alternatively face the reality that we've lived with real terrorist threats for over 30 years and in all that time the only radioactive weapons used have been those we've used (ie DU shells). I think it would be more fun to panic, be paralysed, and let the governments get on with running stuff corruptly. Oh, wait a moment ... Ti'
Re: [buffy] is leaving?
On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, James Powell wrote: to be replaced by the much fitter Eliza Dushku http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/2756657.stm I am not convinced. I don't think 3 episodes would be enough to set this up and Faith taking over the main slayer role would be too great a change to the central cast dynamics. Jason -- UKFSN.ORG Finance Free Software while you surf the 'net http://www.ukfsn.org/ Sign Up Now
Re: YAPC::Europe War
On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 11:58:28AM +, Lusercop wrote: I doubt it will have been melted down, more likely instantly vapourised, I suspect. And it will probably be friendly-fire that bombs london by the USAF, because they got their maps upside-down, too. I dreamt last night of WW2-stylee landing craft sailing up Regent St. -- David Cantrell | Member of the Brute Squad | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david Usenet is a co-operative venture, backed by nasty people. Follow the standards. -- Chris Rovers, in the Monastery
Re: [buffy] is leaving?
On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 01:37:42PM +, Jason Clifford wrote: to be replaced by the much fitter Eliza Dushku http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/2756657.stm I am not convinced. I don't think 3 episodes would be enough to set this up and Faith taking over the main slayer role would be too great a change to the central cast dynamics. It's three episodes of Angel, five episodes of Buffy according to this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/news/buffy/2003/01/20/1669.shtml Chris -- Chris Carline [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://chris.carline.org/ GnuPG: 1024D/57B5CB20 | 5E85 207A 89D8 E097 0C0F FD4C 871A CE15 57B5 CB20
Re: [buffy] is leaving?
James Powell wrote: to be replaced by the much fitter Eliza Dushku http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/2756657.stm Hmmm, linked in by the fact that both have been in a mental asylum[1]? Sod it, I don't care. I just want more farscape. -Dom [1] Or whatever the PC term is these days... -- | Semantico: creators of major online resources | | URL: http://www.semantico.com/ | | Tel: +44 (1273) 72 | | Address: 33 Bond St., Brighton, Sussex, BN1 1RD, UK. |
Re: [buffy] is leaving?
On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 01:37:42PM +, Jason Clifford wrote: On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, James Powell wrote: to be replaced by the much fitter Eliza Dushku http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/2756657.stm I am not convinced. I don't think 3 episodes would be enough to set this up and Faith taking over the main slayer role would be too great a change to the central cast dynamics. Latest series hasn't gone down too well in the US anyway has it? Maybe it's dying off. Jason -- UKFSN.ORG Finance Free Software while you surf the 'net http://www.ukfsn.org/ Sign Up Now
Re: YAPC::Europe War
On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 01:53:28PM +, David Cantrell wrote: I dreamt last night of WW2-stylee landing craft sailing up Regent St. I hope they paid the congestion charge. Dean -- Dean Wilson http://www.unixdaemon.net Profanity is the one language all programmers understand --- Anon
Re: [buffy] is leaving?
On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 01:52:29PM +, Dominic Mitchell wrote: James Powell wrote: to be replaced by the much fitter Eliza Dushku http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/2756657.stm Hmmm, linked in by the fact that both have been in a mental asylum[1]? Sod it, I don't care. I just want more farscape. That's just muppets in space! -Dom [1] Or whatever the PC term is these days... -- | Semantico: creators of major online resources | | URL: http://www.semantico.com/ | | Tel: +44 (1273) 72 | | Address: 33 Bond St., Brighton, Sussex, BN1 1RD, UK. |
Re: [buffy] is leaving?
From: James Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2/13/03 1:13:33 PM to be replaced by the much fitter Eliza Dushku http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/2756657.stm maybe I will start watching this now instead of leaving my girlfriend on a thursday night and escaping down the pub. This is the BBC reporting on a story from the Express - so I don't know how much credence you want to give it. It's certainly one possibility that I've heard mentioned before but there's doesn't seem to be any official word from Mutant Enemy yet. I've posted the link to Whedonesque so let's see what the reaction there is. Oh, and that BBC story contains spoilers for the last three episodes of season 7. Dave... -- http://www.dave.org.uk Let me see you make decisions, without your television - Depeche Mode (Stripped)
Re: [buffy] is leaving?
On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 01:54:33PM +, James Powell wrote: On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 01:37:42PM +, Jason Clifford wrote: I am not convinced. I don't think 3 episodes would be enough to set this up and Faith taking over the main slayer role would be too great a change to the central cast dynamics. Latest series hasn't gone down too well in the US anyway has it? Let's face it, season six was complete shite. This season (seven) is vastly improved and they've only broadcast four episodes so far. Maybe it's dying off. Rumours of the show's demise are greatly exaggerated. andrew -- Taurus: (April. 20 - May 20) You thought you'd heard of all the kinky fetishes, but that was before next week's launch of a 24-hour doll-collecting channel. msg11129/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [buffy] is leaving?
On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, James Powell wrote: I am not convinced. I don't think 3 episodes would be enough to set this up and Faith taking over the main slayer role would be too great a change to the central cast dynamics. Latest series hasn't gone down too well in the US anyway has it? Maybe it's dying off. I don't know about the US. I've been watching the same episodes they have (up to S7 14 now) and it does feel like it's being drawn to a final conclusion. After S7 I don't see where they can go for a big bad. I guess they may launch another spin off series based upon Faith but I'm not sure there's a lot of fresh story line for Slayer II. Jason Clifford -- UKFSN.ORG Finance Free Software while you surf the 'net http://www.ukfsn.org/ Sign Up Now
Re: [buffy] is leaving?
From: Andrew Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2/13/03 2:14:53 PM [ about BtVS] Let's face it, season six was complete shite. This season (seven) is vastly improved and they've only broadcast four episodes so far. Beg to differ. I'm currently watching season 6 for the second time on the BBC and I'm really enjoying it. Don't forget it contains Normal Again which is by far the best episode of Buffy ever made. Season 7, on the other hand, is seeming distinctly average right now - tho' I hear it gets much better. Maybe it's dying off. Rumours of the show's demise are greatly exaggerated. Well, let's just wait and see. I suspect that if SMG does leave at the end of season 7 then they should just let it die a natural death. Dave... -- http://www.dave.org.uk Let me see you make decisions, without your television - Depeche Mode (Stripped)
Re: YAPC::Europe War
On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 01:03:38PM +, Simon Wilcox wrote: OK then, as we rot from the inside in the dust from the dirty bombs let off around London. Better ? Where does one buy an Isle-of-Wight-sized lump of DU, anyway? Ben
Re: [buffy] is leaving?
* Jason Clifford ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, James Powell wrote: to be replaced by the much fitter Eliza Dushku http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/2756657.stm I am not convinced. I don't think 3 episodes would be enough to set this up and Faith taking over the main slayer role would be too great a change to the central cast dynamics. Change the central cast dynamics yes, but there is a lot of mileage there ... Xander + Faith = lets just remember the hotel incidents Willow + Faith = Willows maternal concern about Xander Anya + Faith = jealousy etc. Giles + Faith = giles hanging around to sort out this wet behind the ears slayers Spike + Faith = love/hate relationship Dawn + Faith = bah who knows, maybe they will drop Dawn it will also darken BtVS a lot more, and Angel which darker is doing a lot better this season imho, ymmv -- *** *** *** Email address has changed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Please *** *** update your email address book. *** *** *** Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: YAPC::Europe War
On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 10:21:16AM +, Leon Brocard wrote: This email got sent to the YAPC::Europe committee mailing list. I thought I'd share it all with you. It's slightly worrying that USians are taking it personally. FWIW my reply was YAPC is a non-political organisation and run by volunteers. Subject: [yapc-comm] Meeting Location To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 04:18:44 -0500 It's a shame that YAPC will exclude many potential attendees by being held in a country that has so soon forgotten how the western allies went to war to free THEM from tyranny and oppression in WW II, and now flaunts itself against those very allies when they are attempting to disarm yet another ruthless tyrant. [more drivel snipped] I'm amazed how many USians seem to forget the role that France played in freeing us from evil and still want to hold WWII over them. Shouldn't we just call it even? I'm much more worried about our ruthless tyrant than I am about any others. Consider yourself lucky if the moron who wrote the above doesn't show up. -- mike They had fangs, they were biting people, they had this look in their eyes: pure arrogance. I think they were young Republicans. BtVS - the movie
Re: YAPC::Europe War
On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 09:39:16AM -0500, Mike Jarvis wrote: On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 10:21:16AM +, Leon Brocard wrote: This email got sent to the YAPC::Europe committee mailing list. I thought I'd share it all with you. It's slightly worrying that USians are taking it personally. FWIW my reply was YAPC is a non-political organisation and run by volunteers. Subject: [yapc-comm] Meeting Location To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 04:18:44 -0500 It's a shame that YAPC will exclude many potential attendees by being held in a country that has so soon forgotten how the western allies went to war to free THEM from tyranny and oppression in WW II, and now flaunts itself against those very allies when they are attempting to disarm yet another ruthless tyrant. [more drivel snipped] I'm amazed how many USians seem to forget the role that France played in freeing us from evil and still want to hold WWII over them. Shouldn't we just call it even? I wonder how many members of Lafayette, Louisiana (for example) know about the role certain French people played in .us's independence... I choose them, particularly, because of /the/ Lafayette's role in such things... I'm much more worried about our ruthless tyrant than I am about any others. np: New Model Army - 51st State. Consider yourself lucky if the moron who wrote the above doesn't show up. Maybe he'll picket the conference and I'll have a chance to see what fun one can have with a car battery, some jump leads, a power inverter and his nipples. /joel
[buffy] spoiler policy reminder
Just as a reminder, the spoiler policy of this list is that no-one should
mention anything that happens in Buffy or Angel until the episode has
aired on the BBC.
Tonight's episode is Dead Things (series six, episode 12), meaning that
up till this point only events in Doublemeat Palace and earlier may be
discussed on list without spoiler space. There's a list of episodes on
buffyguide.com: http://www.buffyguide.com/episodes/episodes6.shtml
Now, I'm not saying anyone has broken this, but several people are
skirting close (which is okay) so I thought I'd point it out.
Mark.
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Re: [buffy] is leaving?
On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, Greg McCarroll wrote: Change the central cast dynamics yes, but there is a lot of mileage there ... Xander + Faith = lets just remember the hotel incidents Willow + Faith = Willows maternal concern about Xander Anya + Faith = jealousy etc. Giles + Faith = giles hanging around to sort out this wet behind the ears slayers They've all been done before though. Spike + Faith = love/hate relationship I wish I could comment. it will also darken BtVS a lot more, and Angel which darker is doing a lot better this season S6 was dark Buffy and a lot of fans hated it. Jason Clifford -- UKFSN.ORG Finance Free Software while you surf the 'net http://www.ukfsn.org/ Sign Up Now
Re: YAPC::Europe War
On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 11:08:18AM +, Mark Fowler wrote: Ironically, I'm a little concerned about going to the states due to their really scary laws (DMCA, laws reguarding importing and exporting cryto[1].) Just imagine how those of us who live in the US feel these days. BTW, has news about Patriot Act -- The Sequel[1] made it across the pond yet? Walt 1. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59690-2003Feb11.html msg11139/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [buffy] spoiler policy reminder
On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, Mark Fowler wrote: Just as a reminder, the spoiler policy of this list is that no-one should mention anything that happens in Buffy or Angel until the episode has aired on the BBC. Now, I'm not saying anyone has broken this, but several people are skirting close (which is okay) so I thought I'd point it out. I guess I prompted that. I have tried to avoid mentioning anything that would be a spoiler and I shall continue to be careful. Jason -- UKFSN.ORG Finance Free Software while you surf the 'net http://www.ukfsn.org/ Sign Up Now
Re: YAPC::Europe War
On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 09:52:49AM -0500, Walt Mankowski wrote: Just imagine how those of us who live in the US feel these days. BTW, has news about Patriot Act -- The Sequel[1] made it across the pond yet? No, not the details. We've got ID cards, sorry, voluntary entitlement cards, to cope with. Walt 1. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59690-2003Feb11.html ECLUELESSSITESETUP (I can't get past the free registration) It's failing to tell me why it doesn't like me. possible reasons include cookies, javascript, java, flash, IP address, bogus data, R in the month. (Not all are applicable) Nicholas Clark
Simple cryto script
Hi All I found this script on the net, and I am still learning, Perl, but I was wondering, just to play around with, if this script encrypts, how would I decrypt? http://www.ca-osi.com/print.php?sid=127 Thanks Kind Regards Neil Fryer
Re: Simple cryto script
On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, Neil Fryer wrote: I found this script on the net, and I am still learning, Perl, but I was wondering, just to play around with, if this script encrypts, how would I decrypt? You would not. crypt() is a one-way function and should not be used where you need to be able to retreive the information in plain text. It's use it for password verification type requirements. There are various crypto modules available which provide tested and reliable two-way encruption functions. Jason Clifford -- UKFSN.ORG Finance Free Software while you surf the 'net http://www.ukfsn.org/ Sign Up Now
RE: Simple cryto script
Aha, thank you. Really appreciate the feedback. Neil -Original Message- From: Joel Bernstein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 3:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Simple cryto script On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 03:01:35PM -, Neil Fryer wrote: Hi All I found this script on the net, and I am still learning, Perl, but I was wondering, just to play around with, if this script encrypts, how would I decrypt? You wouldn't. It's standard DES crypt(). A (not terribly secure) one-way encryption system, typically used for passwd files. What's the point of non-decryptable encryption systems? I hear you ask. Well, passwd works by comparing the result of crypt(password typed by user) with the stored crypt'ed text in the passwd file. crypt() can be relied upon to always give the same cryptogram for a given plaintext and salt, so while it can't be decrypted (well, apart from by bruteforce, which is of course trivial for DES crypt()) you can compare the original crypted string with the new crypted string - if they match, the passwords are the same. if crypt(passwd1) = crypy(passwd2) then passwd1=passwd2 Well, assuming the salt was the same of course. /joel
Re: YAPC::Europe War
On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 03:12:11PM +, Nicholas Clark wrote: 1. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59690-2003Feb11.html ECLUELESSSITESETUP (I can't get past the free registration) It's failing to tell me why it doesn't like me. possible reasons include cookies, javascript, java, flash, IP address, bogus data, R in the month. (Not all are applicable) Oops! How about this[1] link? They're the ones who broke the news, and their site doesn't require any registration. It looks fine for me in Mozilla, at any rate... Or just search news.google.com for patriot act, and you'll find plenty of recent commentary on it. Walt 1. http://www.publicintegrity.org/dtaweb/report.asp?ReportID=502L1=10L2=10L3=0L4=0L5=0 msg11146/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Simple cryto script
On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, Neil Fryer wrote:
Hi All
I found this script on the net, and I am still learning, Perl, but I was
wondering, just to play around with, if this script encrypts, how would I
decrypt?
No.
See attached.
S.
--
Shevek
I am the Borg.
sub AUTOLOAD{my$i=$AUTOLOAD;my$x=shift;$i=~s/^.*://;print$x\n;eval
qq{*$AUTOLOAD=sub{my\$x=shift;return unless \$x%$i;{$x}(\$x);};};}
foreach my $i (3..65535) { {'2'}($i); }
#!/usr/bin/perl
# Rijndael encrypt and base64 encode data.
# Usage: cmd [-e | -d] file
use strict;
use Crypt::Rijndael;
use MIME::Base64;
use POSIX;
use IPC::Open3;
use Digest::MD5 qw(md5_hex);
use Symbol;
use IO::Handle;
use Text::Wrap;
use Data::Dumper;
my $ESUFFIX = rijndael; # filename suffix - change if you want
my $DSUFFIX = decrypted; # filename suffix - change if you want
my $KEYLEN = 128; # key bits - do not change
my $REQPASS = $KEYLEN / 8; # required password length
my $MINPASS = $REQPASS / 2; # minimum password bytes - half key
sub encrypt_rijndael {
my ($password, $data) = @_;
die Data is already encrypted if $data =~ /^XX-Encrypted/;
my $engine = new Crypt::Rijndael $password,
Crypt::Rijndael::MODE_CBC;
my @header = (
XX-Encrypted,
Algorithm: Rijndael,
Length: . length($data),
DataMD5: . md5_hex($data),
Notes: Use MIME::Base64 then Crypt::Rijndael to recover data,
# PasswordMD5: . md5_hex($password),
);
my $header = join(\n, @header) . \n\n;
my $blocksize = $engine-blocksize;
my $padlen = $blocksize - (length($data) % $blocksize);
if ($padlen) {
print Padding data to blocksize $blocksize .
with $padlen bytes.\n;
$data .= x $padlen;
}
$data = $engine-encrypt($data);
$data = $header . encode_base64($data);
return $data;
}
sub decrypt_rijndael {
my ($password, $data) = @_;
my $engine = new Crypt::Rijndael $password,
Crypt::Rijndael::MODE_CBC;
$data =~ s/^XX-Encrypted\n//ms
or die File does not appear to be encrypted;
$data =~ /^(.*?)\n\n(.*)/ms
or die Could find separator between header and data;
my $header = $1; $data = $2;
my %header;
foreach (split(/\n/, $header)) {
$_ =~ /^([^:]*):\s*(.*)$/
or die Invalid header line '$_';
$header{$1} = $2;
}
if (exists $header{Algorithm}) {
if ($header{Algorithm} ne 'Rijndael') {
die Algorithm incorrect: only support Rijndael.;
}
}
if (exists $header{PasswordMD5}) {
if (md5_hex($password) ne $header{PasswordMD5}) {
die Password incorrect: does not match hash in header.;
}
}
my ($cipher, $length) = ($1, $2);
$data = decode_base64($data);
$data = $engine-decrypt($data);
if (exists $header{Length}) {
if (length($data) $header{Length}) {
my $padlen = length($data) - $header{Length};
print Trimming data by $padlen bytes.\n;
$data = substr($data, 0, $header{Length});
}
}
if (exists $header{DataMD5}) {
if (md5_hex($data) ne $header{DataMD5}) {
die Data incorrect: does not match hash in header. .
Perhaps incorrect password?;
}
}
return $data;
}
sub filter_external {
my ($data, $cmd, @args) = @_;
die External filter command '$cmd' does not exist. unless -f $cmd;
die External filter command '$cmd' not executable. unless -x $cmd;
my ($rdr, $wtr, $err);
$err = gensym;
my $childpid = open3($wtr, $rdr, $err, $cmd, @args);
print $wtr $data;
close $wtr;
my $out = $rdr;
my $errs = $err;
waitpid $childpid, 0;
die External filter command '$cmd' returned error:\n$errs
if $errs;
return $out;
}
# For good measure, let's throw in a sub.
sub readpass {
my $prompt = shift;
print $prompt;
my $termios = new POSIX::Termios;
$termios-getattr(fileno(STDIN))
or die Failed to get terminal parameters: $!;
my $lflag = $termios-getlflag;
RE: Simple cryto script
Adding to the other replies, here's some documentation on the crypt call. http://www.perldoc.com/perl5.6/pod/func/crypt.html -Original Message- From: Neil Fryer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 13 February 2003 15:02 To: Perl Mongers (E-mail) Subject: Simple cryto script Hi All I found this script on the net, and I am still learning, Perl, but I was wondering, just to play around with, if this script encrypts, how would I decrypt? http://www.ca-osi.com/print.php?sid=127 Thanks Kind Regards Neil Fryer
Re: Simple cryto script
On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 03:01:35PM -, Neil Fryer wrote: Hi All I found this script on the net, and I am still learning, Perl, but I was wondering, just to play around with, if this script encrypts, how would I decrypt? You wouldn't. It's standard DES crypt(). A (not terribly secure) one-way encryption system, typically used for passwd files. What's the point of non-decryptable encryption systems? I hear you ask. Well, passwd works by comparing the result of crypt(password typed by user) with the stored crypt'ed text in the passwd file. crypt() can be relied upon to always give the same cryptogram for a given plaintext and salt, so while it can't be decrypted (well, apart from by bruteforce, which is of course trivial for DES crypt()) you can compare the original crypted string with the new crypted string - if they match, the passwords are the same. if crypt(passwd1) = crypy(passwd2) then passwd1=passwd2 Well, assuming the salt was the same of course. /joel
Re: YAPC::Europe War
On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, Nicholas Clark wrote:
On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 09:52:49AM -0500, Walt Mankowski wrote:
Just imagine how those of us who live in the US feel these days. BTW,
has news about Patriot Act -- The Sequel[1] made it across the pond
yet?
No, not the details. We've got ID cards, sorry, voluntary entitlement
cards, to cope with.
Walt
1. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59690-2003Feb11.html
ECLUELESSSITESETUP
(I can't get past the free registration)
It's failing to tell me why it doesn't like me.
possible reasons include cookies, javascript, java, flash, IP address,
bogus data, R in the month. (Not all are applicable)
You have to be less than a hundred years old. Living in Afghanistan is
fine.
S.
--
Shevek
I am the Borg.
sub AUTOLOAD{my$i=$AUTOLOAD;my$x=shift;$i=~s/^.*://;print$x\n;eval
qq{*$AUTOLOAD=sub{my\$x=shift;return unless \$x%$i;{$x}(\$x);};};}
foreach my $i (3..65535) { {'2'}($i); }
Re: Simple cryto script
On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 03:01:35PM -, Neil Fryer wrote: I found this script on the net, and I am still learning, Perl, but I was wondering, just to play around with, if this script encrypts, how would I decrypt? http://www.ca-osi.com/print.php?sid=127 It doesn't encrypt, and so you can't decrypt. The crypt() function is one- way, and is intended to let you store sensitive information like passwords in a non-readable form. Then, when someone provides a password for their login, you encrypt (hash, more accurately) what they provided and compare it with the hashed version you have stored. If they match, then it is assumed that the password provided matches and you allow login. Use of crypt() for this is deprecated, nowadays you should be using MD5 or - preferably - SHA1 for your password-hashing needs. -- David Cantrell|Degenerate|http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david Pressure was growing last night for the global war on terror to be broadened to take in a wide range of other 'rogue emotions' including horror, shock and a general feeling of bewilderment about the state of the world.-- The Brains Trust
Re: [buffy] is leaving?
On 13/02/2003 at 14:14 +, Andrew Wilson wrote: Let's face it, season six was complete shite. This season (seven) is vastly improved and they've only broadcast four episodes so far. Season six was great. Already the BBC viewers have seen the beginning of one of the great dysfunctional relationships in TV history (Buffy and Spike) and there's better to come. (Spoilers are still in effect, remember, kids. Otherwise I'd go into more detail.) Mind you, I'm a black-clad grumpy old bugger, so evidently I'm going to like it. The two and a half out of the first four of season seven that I've seen so far are distinctly lacklustre in comparison. While we're on the subject of Buffy, although you'll need to be a little careful, boils and burning torment is a great site. Here's their review of the infamous 'Willow gets hooked on magic' episode (on BBC2 a fortnight or so ago): http://www.boilsandblindingtorment.com/Wrecked.htm Also, because it's now out of spoiler territory, here's london.pm's archived discussion of it from when it was on Sky. http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm/Week-of-Mon-20020304/010464.html http://dir.salon.com/sex/feature/2001/11/28/buffy/index.html # mentioned -- :: paul :: we're like crystal
Re: YAPC::Europe War
On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 03:25:29PM +, Shevek wrote: On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, Nicholas Clark wrote: ECLUELESSSITESETUP (I can't get past the free registration) It's failing to tell me why it doesn't like me. possible reasons include cookies, javascript, java, flash, IP address, bogus data, R in the month. (Not all are applicable) You have to be less than a hundred years old. Living in Afghanistan is fine. It didn't like a whole variety of attempted mes. I suspect it was also cookies, java or javascript. The other URL was quite scary enough. Nicholas Clark
Re: YAPC::Europe War
Shevek sent the following bits through the ether: You have to be less than a hundred years old. Living in Afghanistan is fine. Apparently they are quite happy with their readers being one year old too. Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ scribot.http://www.scribot.com/ ... It's hard to RTFM when you can't find the FM..
Re: YAPC::Europe War
On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 03:38:31PM +, Leon Brocard wrote: Shevek sent the following bits through the ether: You have to be less than a hundred years old. Living in Afghanistan is fine. Apparently they are quite happy with their readers being one year old too. But it didn't give me the Christmas Islands. I live in the Christmas Islands. Or at least, that's what my e-mail address says. Nicholas Clark
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Re: [buffy] is leaving?
James Powell wrote: On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 01:52:29PM +, Dominic Mitchell wrote: Sod it, I don't care. I just want more farscape. That's just muppets in space! Exactly. That's why I like it. Far more entertaining. I was waiting for the Kermit cameo, too... -Dom -- | Semantico: creators of major online resources | | URL: http://www.semantico.com/ | | Tel: +44 (1273) 72 | | Address: 33 Bond St., Brighton, Sussex, BN1 1RD, UK. |
