Re: Hundredweight was Re: UK Money, again
Andrew Beattie said: > On the other hand, if you were somehow able to store a byte > of information in a single molecule, then you could store > a yobibyte in a single cup of really hot tea. The problem would then become one of how you could use your laptop without spilling some of your data and scalding yourself. I would also hope that Maxtor etc would place sufficient warnings to prevent themselves from being sued. I suppose you might also find yourself in the unfortunate position of having some of your modules or ogg files evaporate. -- Paul Johnson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pjcj.net
Re: Hundredweight was Re: UK Money, again
> yobibyte. That's a big number To get my head round it, I recently did some math to put it in context. My head is too frazzled to reproduce the proof on a Monday morning, but within reasonable tolerences: If you were to store a yobibite of data on modern laptop drives, (say 70Gb capacity - that divides easily into the volume of the drive form factor), the volume of drives required would be around 1 cubic kilometer. On the other hand, if you were somehow able to store a byte of information in a single molecule, then you could store a yobibyte in a single cup of really hot tea. Andrew
Re: Hundredweight was Re: UK Money, again
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003, Tom Hukins wrote:
> I wonder what the value should be for a trilobyte.
/me, impressed by this riff, tries to pick up from there...
$ grep 'byte$' /usr/share/dict/words
presbyte
$ dict presbyte
1 definition found
From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) [web1913]:
Presbyte \Pres"byte\, n. [Gr. ? an old man.]
Same as {Presbyope}.
$ dict presbyope
2 definitions found
From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) [web1913]:
Presbyope \Pres"by*ope\, n. (Med.)
One who has presbyopia; a farsighted person.
From WordNet (r) 1.7 [wn]:
presbyope
n : a person with presbyopia; someone who is farsighted
resulting from the progressive loss with aging of the
elasticity of the crystalline lens
$
/me gives up
So, how 'bout them milli-Helens?
--
Chris Devers[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://devers.homeip.net:8080/resume/
Turing machine, n. [After Alan M. Turing (1912-1954), British
mathematician and computer pioneer.]
The earliest but still the fastest and most reliable computing system
ever conceived. "Dis maschine vill run und run" (K. Godel).
-- from _The Computer Contradictionary_, Stan Kelly-Bootle, 1995
Re: Hundredweight was Re: UK Money, again
Steve Mynott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Roger Horne wrote: > >> On Fri 27 Jun, Philip Newton wrote: >> >>>You have: cwt >>>You want: >>>Definition: hundredweight = 100 pounds = 45.359237 kg >>> >>>which sounds as if it *is* 100 somethings. >> But is wrong. There are 112 pounds in a hundredweight (or were when >> I was at >> school). See http://home.clara.net/brianp/weights.html > > You are both right depends whether you are talking about an American > or English hundredweight. > > GNU units has 'brhundredweight' defined whereas the FreeBSD 4.5 > units(1) doesn't (and probably should). I'm not sure which version of units one finds on Mac OS X, but its units.lib has an entry for 'longhundredweight', which is the 'right' hundredweight. -- Piers
Re: Hundredweight was Re: UK Money, again
On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 11:31:46AM +0100, Peter Haworth wrote: > > megabyte 1024 kbyte > > gigabyte 1024 megabyte > > +terabyte 1024 gigabyte > > +petabyte 1024 terabyte > > +exabyte1024 petabyte > > +zettabyte 1024 exabyte > > +yottabyte 1024 zettabyte" > > > > her reply: "that bytes." > > Well, she has a point. Those multipliers should all be 1000. To use > multipliers of 1024, the units are kibibyte, mebibyte, gibibyte, > tebibyte, pebibyte, exbibyte, zebibyte and yobibyte. Surely everyone > is using these by now? :-) I thought I had problems with standards and common practice differing as a Web developer - I should know better than to get involved with scientific things. I realise my changes aren't officially accurate, but at least they're consistent. If units(1) uses a multiplier of 1024 for kilo-, mega- and giga- bytes, it should do so for the others, rather than inheriting the default multiplier of 1000. I wonder what the value should be for a trilobyte. Hey, who locked me in this bike shed? Tom
Re: Hundredweight was Re: UK Money, again
Peter Haworth said: > On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 21:28:07 -0400, muppet wrote: >> " kbyte 1024 byte >> megabyte 1024 kbyte >> gigabyte 1024 megabyte >> +terabyte1024 gigabyte >> +petabyte1024 terabyte >> +exabyte 1024 petabyte >> +zettabyte 1024 exabyte >> +yottabyte 1024 zettabyte" > Come to think of it, why aren't zetta and yotta the other way round? > That way you'd at least get (e)x y z at the end, which would make some > kind of sense. It was supposed to be exa, yetta, zotta, but they had a German temp and no one noticed until too late. -- Paul Johnson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pjcj.net
Re: Hundredweight was Re: UK Money, again
On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 11:56:04AM +0100, Alex McLintock wrote: >Cause zetta and yotta are greek letters and that is the order they come in >the greek alphabet? >At least that is what my greek teacher told me. >http://www.ibiblio.org/koine/greek/lessons/alphabet.html He was, as you see, lying. R
Re: Hundredweight was Re: UK Money, again
At 11:31 04/07/03 +0100, Peter Haworth wrote: Come to think of it, why aren't zetta and yotta the other way round? That way you'd at least get (e)x y z at the end, which would make some kind of sense. Cause zetta and yotta are greek letters and that is the order they come in the greek alphabet? At least that is what my greek teacher told me. http://www.ibiblio.org/koine/greek/lessons/alphabet.html Alex Egho Then Mila Ellinika (Which means "I don't speak greek" in greek)
Re: Hundredweight was Re: UK Money, again
On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 21:28:07 -0400, muppet wrote: > On Tuesday, July 1, 2003, at 05:59 AM, Tom Hukins wrote: > > > http://people.freebsd.org/~tom/tmp/units/ > > i've always loved the sound of yottabyte. yotta yotta yotta. > > anyway, i read these aloud to my wife: > > " kbyte 1024 byte > megabyte1024 kbyte > gigabyte1024 megabyte > +terabyte 1024 gigabyte > +petabyte 1024 terabyte > +exabyte 1024 petabyte > +zettabyte1024 exabyte > +yottabyte1024 zettabyte" > > her reply: "that bytes." Well, she has a point. Those multipliers should all be 1000. To use multipliers of 1024, the units are kibibyte, mebibyte, gibibyte, tebibyte, pebibyte, exbibyte, zebibyte and yobibyte. Surely everyone is using these by now? :-) See http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html for the gruesome details. For some strange reason, there aren't binary prefixes for submultiples. Quite apart from the rarity of use, they'd be even sillier than the multiples I suppose: decbi, centbi, millbi, micbi/microbi, nanbi, picbi, fembi/femtbi, attbi, zeptbi, yoctbi. Come to think of it, why aren't zetta and yotta the other way round? That way you'd at least get (e)x y z at the end, which would make some kind of sense. -- Peter Haworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Lies, damn lies, and computer documentation."
Re: Hundredweight was Re: UK Money, again
On Tuesday, July 1, 2003, at 05:59 AM, Tom Hukins wrote: http://people.freebsd.org/~tom/tmp/units/ i've always loved the sound of yottabyte. yotta yotta yotta. anyway, i read these aloud to my wife: " kbyte1024 byte megabyte 1024 kbyte gigabyte 1024 megabyte +terabyte 1024 gigabyte +petabyte 1024 terabyte +exabyte1024 petabyte +zettabyte 1024 exabyte +yottabyte 1024 zettabyte" her reply: "that bytes."
Re: Hundredweight was Re: UK Money, again
On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 06:44:55PM +0100, Steve Mynott wrote: > > GNU units has 'brhundredweight' defined whereas the FreeBSD 4.5 > units(1) doesn't (and probably should). You've inspired me to write this simple patch, which is now waiting for the approval of a src committer: http://people.freebsd.org/~tom/tmp/units/ Tom
Hundredweight was Re: UK Money, again
Roger Horne wrote: On Fri 27 Jun, Philip Newton wrote: You have: cwt You want: Definition: hundredweight = 100 pounds = 45.359237 kg which sounds as if it *is* 100 somethings. But is wrong. There are 112 pounds in a hundredweight (or were when I was at school). See http://home.clara.net/brianp/weights.html You are both right depends whether you are talking about an American or English hundredweight. GNU units has 'brhundredweight' defined whereas the FreeBSD 4.5 units(1) doesn't (and probably should). http://www.bartleby.com/61/55/H0325500.html A unit of weight in the U.S. Customary System equal to 100 pounds (45.36 kilograms). Also called cental, short hundredweight. 2. A unit of weight in the British Imperial System equal to 112 pounds (50.80 kilograms). -- Steve
