Re: Eurocracy sucks.
> Is this Schengen thing a recent thing? No, it's been around eight years. http://www.eurovisa.info/ It sounds highly possible you've gotten the wrong end of the shtick. +Pete
Re: Eurocracy sucks.
On Thursday, July 17, 2003, 3:59:35 PM, Toby Corkindale wrote:
TC> oh sh-t.. I'm heading to Germany early next month and don't have any special
TC> visa's or anything..
TC> I've never really bothered with them before when visiting euro countries and
TC> just waved my passport at people on the way thru.
Depends on your nationality. If you're from a western[1] country and your
purpose of visit is "tourism" or "business trip" and its for less than
three months, you can generally just wave your passport at the immigration
officials of any EU country and wander in.
For *.rest-of-world however, it's Fortress Europe now.
TC> Is this Schengen thing a recent thing?
Not that new.
http://europa.eu.int/scadplus/leg/en/lvb/l33020.htm for the official
history.
[1] basically North America, Aus/NZ, and the one or two non-EU western
European countries.
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Re: Eurocracy sucks.
On Mon, Jul 14, 2003 at 03:50:41PM +0100, Earle Martin wrote: > Some of you may have heard this from me, some not > > My wife, who is not from within the EU, requires a Schengen Visa[0] to come > with me to YAPC::EU. So, I just called the French consulate's visa > appointment booking line (which costs a fucking outrageous pound a minute) > to try and get her one. oh sh-t.. I'm heading to Germany early next month and don't have any special visa's or anything.. I've never really bothered with them before when visiting euro countries and just waved my passport at people on the way thru. Is this Schengen thing a recent thing? tjc
Re: Eurocracy sucks.
Bonjour [EMAIL PROTECTED],
You wrote:
> But i think , BTW , that among the ideas you were given , the first one
> (going to the embassy first thing in the morning and be prepared to spend
> the whole day there) has really good chances to succeed .
To check this out, I went to the embassy on my way home from work last
night... it was closed, but I did see a number of large signs saying "IT IS
COMPULSORY TO BOOK AN APPOINTMENT WITH THE TELEPHONE BOOKING LINE", or some
such. Thanks for the thought, though.
> > Well, I'm aiming to meet some interesting mongueurs and convince them into
> > starting an OpenGuides Paris
> I already thought about that , and started to gather some material ... I'll
> let you know but at the moment i have a few things to manage till the 23rd ,
> and it will carry on till the 25th ;-) ...
>
> Afterwards , i 'll have some time to get back at this ... :)
Tres bien! I'll look forwards to saying hi.
Amities,
Earle.
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Re: Eurocracy sucks.
Hi , En ce jour du Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:20:11 +0100, Earle Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> parlait ainsi : > On Mon, Jul 14, 2003 at 05:19:13PM +0100, Alex McLintock wrote: > > Would it be possible to write up people's recommendations for visiting > > Paris and stick it somewhere online? > > My girlfriend and I have been meaning to go to Paris - though I'm not going > > to YAPC. Sorry for your girlfriend , stupid story ... But i think , BTW , that among the ideas you were given , the first one (going to the embassy first thing in the morning and be prepared to spend the whole day there) has really good chances to succeed . Of course i don't guarantee anything , i'm just some mongueur you know , not any kind of state employee . > > Perhaps we could pollute Grubstreet with it :-) > Well, I'm aiming to meet some interesting mongueurs and convince them into > starting an OpenGuides Paris I already thought about that , and started to gather some material ... I'll let you know but at the moment i have a few things to manage till the 23rd , and it will carry on till the 25th ;-) ... Afterwards , i 'll have some time to get back at this ... :) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] lacravate [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Assistez à la prochaine conférence Perl en France 23-25 juillet 2003 au CNAM (PARIS) http://yapc.mongueurs.net
Re: Eurocracy sucks.
On Mon, Jul 14, 2003 at 05:19:13PM +0100, Alex McLintock wrote: > At 15:50 14/07/03, Earle Martin wrote: > > > >Likewise, I booked a room at this hotel: > >http://www.hostelparis.com/hosteldetails.php?HostelNumber=613 > > > >It's just under two miles from the CNAM, in the middle of Paris. The room > >has two beds and ensuite toilet, and costs GBP22 a head per night. > > > Would it be possible to write up people's recommendations for visiting > Paris and stick it somewhere online? > My girlfriend and I have been meaning to go to Paris - though I'm not going > to YAPC. > > Perhaps we could pollute Grubstreet with it :-) Grubstreet? Bloody English blokes, I don't get half of what you say. :) > > Alex Hi Alex It is difficult to give advice without knowing your tastes. When, I have time I love walking at random in Paris. Personnally I read guides _after_ going places, because it so easy to get stuck with ones nose on the guide instead to get a real feeling of the place. Buy Pariscope, that has a nice English section. That will gave you name of places to fo. They are plenty of small museeums that are nice and less crowded than The Louvre. I paste a walk recommandation I sent to Uri Gutman. Personnally I avoid tourist magnets (and picpocket ones by consequence) that have lost any character even if the building may be still nice and splendid. I hate Champs Elysees that have become a mile long burger joint owned by Mac Donald, Disney and the like. If you got to Montmartre, just go one street or two away from the touristic place (Place du tertre) per se to get a feeling. It is a long time I have not gone there and I fear a devastating "Amélie Poulain" effect. If you gave yourself a good hour or two to go to the CNAM, you can just walk and make "détours" instead of heading directly to the CNAM. Going thru the west crossing the Boulevard St Michel to the Quartier St Germain, follow the Rue St Andre des Arts, than rue Mazarine or rue de Seine heading North toward the Seine river, after the Institute, cross Seine on le pont des Arts , go thru the Cour Carrée du Louvre, cross the Rivoli street, head toward la Bourse du Commerce, than toward the St Eustache Church, then rue de Tutbirgo toward the CNAM. Hum, Turbigo is to head to the CNAM, it is less interesting from there. Nice walk that avoid the all tourist magnets (so few care even to enter la cour carrée du Louvre for example) Oh, And if the weather is bad or you want to see an authentic weird and recent French animation movie. Go see "Les triplettes de Belleville". A vey weird counterpoint to the "Tour de France" industry. Very French even if the animation has been done in Quebec (Montreal je crois). No dialog, so no problem to follow the story. And like in London, there are a lot of "ethnic places". -- stef > > > > Available for java/perl/C++/web development in London, UK or nearby. > Apache FOP, Cocoon, Turbine, Struts,XSL:FO, XML, Tomcat, JSP > http://www.OWAL.co.uk/ >
Re: Eurocracy sucks.
I wrote:
> Somehow I doubt that.
As if that wasn't good enough,
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Re: Eurocracy sucks.
On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Earle Martin wrote: > VISA ISSUING PROCEDURE Please note that all persons wishing to apply for > visas to visit France MUST make an APPOINTMENT BY TELEPHONE before > attending and submitting their documents in person at the Consulate. > > THE PHONE NUMBER IS : 09065 540 700 > > Applicants MUST NOT attend at the Consulate without first making an > appointment using the AUTOMATED TELEPHONE APPOINTMENTS BOOKINGS SERVICE. > > The AUTOMATED TELEPHONE APPOINTMENTS BOOKINGS SERVICE is the ONLY way by > which you can make an appointment. > > People without appointments will NOT be admitted at the Consulate. Well my wife didn't need one. I cannot imagine how they expect to deal with people who are not online and will simply turn up at the Consulate - ie the majority of people - as they wont have that information prior to arriving at the Consulate and will expect to be seen. I'd try just turning up. Jason Clifford -- UKFSN.ORG Finance Free Software while you surf the 'net http://www.ukfsn.org/ ADSL Broadband available now
Re: Eurocracy sucks.
On Mon, Jul 14, 2003 at 06:18:03PM +0200, Mark Overmeer wrote:
> I do not know the exact rules, but you may go to any EU consulate
> for a visum. Most will be faster than the French...
You can apply for a Schengen visa at either the country the majority of your
visit will be spent in, or, if you do not know that, the first country you
will be entering. In our case, both France. You can't apply to another
country and lie that you'll be visiting there, because they all demand proof
you're actually headed there, like hotel reservations. Believe me, I've
checked.
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Re: Eurocracy sucks.
On Mon, Jul 14, 2003 at 04:47:06PM +0100, Jason Clifford wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Earle Martin wrote:
> The solution is to completely ignore all this nonsense about making
> appointments and just show up at the Embassy. You will have to wait most
> (all?) of the day but you should get seen.
Somehow I doubt that.
From
http://www.ambafrance-uk.org/asp/service.asp?SERVID=101&LNG=en&PAGID=220
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VISA ISSUING PROCEDURE
Please note that all persons wishing to apply for visas to visit France MUST
make an APPOINTMENT BY TELEPHONE before attending and submitting their
documents in person at the Consulate.
THE PHONE NUMBER IS : 09065 540 700
Applicants MUST NOT attend at the Consulate without first making an
appointment using the AUTOMATED TELEPHONE APPOINTMENTS BOOKINGS SERVICE.
The AUTOMATED TELEPHONE APPOINTMENTS BOOKINGS SERVICE is the ONLY way by
which you can make an appointment.
People without appointments will NOT be admitted at the Consulate.
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Re: Eurocracy sucks.
* Jason Clifford ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030714 17:49]: > On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Earle Martin wrote: > > My wife, who is not from within the EU, requires a Schengen Visa[0] to come > > with me to YAPC::EU. So, I just called the French consulate's visa > > appointment booking line (which costs a fucking outrageous pound a minute) > > to try and get her one. > > > > They haven't got any appointments free until the 4th of August. > My wife, and some of her friends, have the same issue. > So long as she has all the required documentation she should be able to > get the VISA sorted out in time. I do not know the exact rules, but you may go to any EU consulate for a visum. Most will be faster than the French... -- MarkOv drs Mark A.C.J. OvermeerMARKOV Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://Mark.Overmeer.net http://solutions.overmeer.net
Re: Eurocracy sucks.
On Mon, Jul 14, 2003 at 05:19:13PM +0100, Alex McLintock wrote:
> Would it be possible to write up people's recommendations for visiting
> Paris and stick it somewhere online?
> My girlfriend and I have been meaning to go to Paris - though I'm not going
> to YAPC.
>
> Perhaps we could pollute Grubstreet with it :-)
Well, I'm aiming to meet some interesting mongueurs and convince them into
starting an OpenGuides Paris
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Re: Eurocracy sucks.
I've also discovered that, for some countries/visas at least, it is possible to have a company help you out (for a fee, of course). I don't recommend this in all but the most urgent cases, but a colleague of mine needed to get to Russia on short notice and found a company that took care of everything in a matter of two or three days. Basically, they *pay* some poor guy to stand in line from about 2 or 3 in the morning. Then, at about 8:30 an assistant shows up with all of the documents for the people they are getting visa for and takes the courier's place in line. They are then first in line when the embassy opens in the morning and take care of ten or fifteen visas in one go. I guess that it all depends on what the country's regulations permit (in terms of having someone do it for you) but this is certainly *a* way to get a visa in a hurry. HTH, jon Jason Clifford wrote: On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Earle Martin wrote: My wife, who is not from within the EU, requires a Schengen Visa[0] to come with me to YAPC::EU. So, I just called the French consulate's visa appointment booking line (which costs a fucking outrageous pound a minute) to try and get her one. -- jon reades fulcrum analytics t: 0870.366.9338 m: 0797.698.7392 f: 0870.888.8880 lower ground floor 2 sheraton street london w1f 8bh
Re: Eurocracy sucks.
At 15:50 14/07/03, Earle Martin wrote: Likewise, I booked a room at this hotel: http://www.hostelparis.com/hosteldetails.php?HostelNumber=613 It's just under two miles from the CNAM, in the middle of Paris. The room has two beds and ensuite toilet, and costs GBP22 a head per night. Would it be possible to write up people's recommendations for visiting Paris and stick it somewhere online? My girlfriend and I have been meaning to go to Paris - though I'm not going to YAPC. Perhaps we could pollute Grubstreet with it :-) Alex Available for java/perl/C++/web development in London, UK or nearby. Apache FOP, Cocoon, Turbine, Struts,XSL:FO, XML, Tomcat, JSP http://www.OWAL.co.uk/
Re: Eurocracy sucks.
On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Earle Martin wrote: > My wife, who is not from within the EU, requires a Schengen Visa[0] to come > with me to YAPC::EU. So, I just called the French consulate's visa > appointment booking line (which costs a fucking outrageous pound a minute) > to try and get her one. > > They haven't got any appointments free until the 4th of August. My wife, and some of her friends, have the same issue. The solution is to completely ignore all this nonsense about making appointments and just show up at the Embassy. You will have to wait most (all?) of the day but you should get seen. So long as she has all the required documentation she should be able to get the VISA sorted out in time. It's usual for the VISA to be posted out to arrive after about a week. Note the amount of time you have to wait will be dependant upon how busy it is, whether there's anything good on the lunch menu, etc. Jason Clifford -- UKFSN.ORG Finance Free Software while you surf the 'net http://www.ukfsn.org/ ADSL Broadband available now
