RE: [luau] Friendly Reminder - Quote Trimming
THIS LISTS NEEDS A REFEREE -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin Goad Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 10:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [luau] Friendly Reminder - Quote Trimming How about a little diplomacy? This list should have a mediator. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Warren Togami Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 10:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [luau] Friendly Reminder - Quote Trimming Joe Linux wrote: Just a friendly reminder. You never sent me the money for the disk drive as your stated publicly on this list. Please send it promptly or I will have to take further action. Excuse me? On two occasions I sent you a direct e-mail after that point asking if you could pick up your hardware and refund from Mid-Pac since you have a child attending the school. I made it clear that I would NOT make the effort of delivering the hardware to your house. You did not respond. Warren ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
RE: [luau] Moderation--of all kinds
I love this list. I have gained so much support for my non-profit group so keep up the good work :o -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Donahoe Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 1:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [luau] Moderation--of all kinds On 2/22/03 10:36 AM, Kevin Goad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about a little diplomacy? This list should have a mediator. Hi All-- Kevin, I agree a little more diplomacy is in order. It is disappointing that there has been so much pettiness on this list of late. I thought we were here to learn about and support the Open Source movement. And while I understand that a cornerstone of the whole movement is a free exchange of ideas, when things become little more than personal invective and self-aggrandizement, I wonder how successful this movement will become. This type of behavior does not allow us as a community to progress. The battles we fight against proprietary software manufacturers and the attitude among users of that software are hard enough without senseless infighting. Disagreements and differences of opinion are fine and healthy, but when it is nothing more than childish, personal attacks, our attempts to bring about change are weakened. These dilute the efforts of the many who are trying to do go good by making us all look bad. Clearly some moderation--by which I mean less extreme behavior--is called for Kevin asks for moderation of another kind--someone willing to edit the contributions to the list by keeping out such emails. I have some problems with that, and I think others on this list might. (After all, what would keep a moderator from acting in the same childish way, letting in only those emails he/she agrees with?) On the other hand, I am seriously toying with leaving the list, just because a small number of people seem incapable of acting civilized. All communities have rules governing behavior. Freedom of speech is a right we enjoy in the US; however, it is not absolute. As a society we have put a variety of restrictions on free speech. We have coupled these restrictions with penalties for those who transgress the limits. We could do the same in this community if we decided that was a way to stop this kind of pettiness. Rights demand responsibility. If everyone acted that way, things would be great, and I wouldn't be writing this. We could make a community decision about how we react when trivial exchanges of this type occur. Or not. In the end, we are all here by the grace of owner(s) of the list. Whomever this is could decide unilaterally, and we'd have to abide by the decision, or go somewhere else and start another list. I prefer the community approach myself, but accept the reality of the second. Perhaps it wouldn't hurt if we started acting as if we were guests in another person's house. I have mixed feelings about writing this email. On the one hand, I feel it is necessary to say something. On the other, I have a sense that it will only encourage more of the same impropriety we have seen recently. I hope that is not true, and I hope we can strive for greater civility in our all exchanges. Aloha Tom Donahoe ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
RE: [luau] Moderation--of all kinds
Unsubscribing also. Those of you whom are mature enough and dedicated as well to Opensource can address me personally also. -Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of MonMotha Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 2:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [luau] Moderation--of all kinds MonMotha unsubscribing. Please address me personally if you need something. --MonMotha ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
RE: [luau] Trolls win when people quit
Scott I believe the Directors should resign and allow the original LUAU creators to return and run it more proficiently. I would say that fewer than 1% of all list emails fall into the category of flames. Sadly, these are generated by the name calling of Joe Linux and the tauntings and teasings of Linuxdan. Simply blocking these subscribers, or ignoring their posts, will free you from the burden of the ensuing flames. When good people get bent out of shape by their provocations, good people lose. When good people leave the list, we all lose. We have all lost today. The power of ignorance goes a long way here. I do not mean stupidity, either. If a troll is not fed with our frustrations, a troll will find no satisfaction here. Let no one speak again of quitting. This is not the way. Let us just not speak of this, period. We have too many important things to do these days, and wasting resources on this is not worth it. When a troll posts some flamebait, avoid stepping in it like you avoid dog droppings. The last thing we should do is encircle it like flies and start the buzzing. It smells too much. scott ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
RE: [luau] Linux makes the cover of Business Week
Scott How can you say this when there are three non-profits here on Oahu that support Opensource. Not only that but your one of your Directors of HOSEF personally threatened the DOE, that is Warren Togami who threatened Wes Koga. Why would someone be so stupid to threaten the DOE on Oahu with a LAWSUIT if he wasn't allowed to install an Opensource network in the public schools. How do you think I received this information and who do you think has the public school contacts for all the network coordinators and even their personal cells in some cases. Your HOSEF group has given the Opensource movement a black eye. Remember the guote: The enemy is We , well that refers to YOU so Bill Gates is less of a threat to the Opensource movement. With two hours of mediation we were able to strike a deal with the DOE and save Opensource Projects. You wanted facts, well there you go! Our group is growing so quick that we have to redo the list of officers and believe it or not they are NOT on the LUAU and some founded the LUAU. If you cant take any criticism (legend in your own mind) then go home to mommy because your acting as a child and you couldn't Direct your way out of the restroom. The TROLL is also YOU. PS. Your HOSEF site sucks! http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/toc/03_09/B382203linux.htm Above is the link to the online article. Don't you feel the change coming? Aren't you glad that you belong to an Open Souce community like LUAU? Other than getting frustrated with the occasional flames on this list, what have you done to make the Open Source world better today? Exactly. Tuesday's and Saturday's we gather to do good things. We do not fan flames started by mischievous trolls. We do tangible work intended for the schools and other non-profits. We are Hawaii's only PUBLICLY disclosed non-profit that invites the public to help. We are HOSEF, we support our LUAU, and we are much more resilient than a few trolls. Let's go. scott ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
RE: [luau] News - AMD shows off mobile Athlon 64
Warren It's a good one if you like living in cold climate and enjoy the WARM feeling the laptop gives your legs. CompUSA was already sued for a return on the AMD laptops that's were unable to beat the heat. They produced more than 3 times the heat then from the Intel mobile P4 3.06. They do have a patented blower that releases the heat quicker. You could always set your head down next to your laptop after you take a shower and use it for a blow dryer. Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Warren Togami Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 8:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [luau] News - AMD shows off mobile Athlon 64 THAT is my next laptop! (A few pictures in this article) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=7867 AMD shows off mobile Athlon 64s And Opterons and Clawhammers First, off AMD has a mobile Athlon 64 reference design which includes 256MB of PC 2000 memory, the K8T400 chipset, and an ATI M9 graphics card. The mobile chip will be launched in September. ... Finally, the firm had a four way Opteron box, running with SuSE Linux. This machine was equipped with AMD 8131, 8111 Hypertransport, 12GB of PC 2100 memory, an 80GB hard drive and a Matrix G450 graphics card. (continued in article) ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
RE: [luau] HOSEF--BILUG outreach
Eric I was just approached by a software company to setup a gaming lab. The company wants to invest In an Opensource gaming lab here in Hawaii due to restrictions it has on their contract in their state on the mainland. I am not sure of all the details at this time but I thought it was a joke at first until I read parts of their contract. I thought also another mainland company wants to setup a business in some resort area so that they could come here for business meetings and use it for a tax write-off. But as far as I can tell they somehow want to find out if they can run a franchise of hardcore computer gaming locations. That would include Hilo, Maui and Oahu. Another possibility would be to superconnect all three islands. This would be our profit side services end. But the profit side would be able to make donations to non-profit organizations involved in the project. Dan Aloha I visited the HOSEF web site and did not find any information about a mailing list; apologies in advance if this list is not the appropriate venue. We had our BILUG meeting last Saturday and discussed the possibility (as discussed in the group IRC chat the other night) of getting some of your donated machines for educational LTSP installations over here on the Big Island. The short summary of it is 1) everyone present seemed interested and enthusiastic about the idea; 2) we identified only some limited space for storing machines at the present time; 3) it is unclear how much human resources we have at our disposal; and 4) we only have one firm LTSP commitment and a couple of additional interested schools at the present time. My feeling is that we should probably try initially for a limited rollout of about 40-50 machines. We have an adult education center here in Hilo that definitely will take 20 boxes (it is an old Linux lab that is in bad shape now with about 6 feeble machines left working, but room for many more). We have 2-3 other schools that have expressed interest, but no firm committment. If we can get the other machines into a couple of other schools, then with the two or three labs it might provide a way to demo the idea to yet other schools and get them on board. I'd estimate that we have about 6 people that we can count on as far as effort; all are quite capable technically in both Linux and harware in general. Some others might get involved once we demonstrate that we have something rolling. Starting small will also make sure we don't bite off more than we can chew. We also were agreeable to try out a Gnomemeeting conference with your group there; the problem will be finding a decent time; during a regular meeting would be best, from the standpoint of having as many people around to participate. Let us know how you want to proceed. Mahalo, --Eric (BILUG coordinator) Eric Jeschke http://redskiesatnight.com/ ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
RE: [luau] Friday night IRC meeting, Linux for Hawaii schools
Scott I will keep that in mind. I didn't intend to flame but to inform. I will keep in touch and as soon as we get to that point of needing help, I would rather inform you through personal email instead of a public forum. I will try to locate your contact information or call you at Pricebusters. I just do not want anyone going to our contacts and confusing them on whose who. I just feel I like the progress and do not need a bump in the road nor do I want to burn bridges so when a project comes up that requires both our efforts we can be on the same page. Our financial donations are going extremely well but I appreciate the offer anyways. If you happen to have any donated Cisco routers available I will glad to work out some sort of arrangement. I am also trying out my contacts at Cisco whom I had working in tech. When I recover fully, I may be able to help you out as well. If our donation from the mainland turns out as large as I believe it to be, then we may be able to buy those routers outright. Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of R. Scott Belford Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 9:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [luau] Friday night IRC meeting, Linux for Hawaii schools On Thursday 13 February 2003 07:14 pm, LinuxDan wrote: I believe there are other organizations who would like this information so that they can request support or try and undermine what I have worked so hard to do over the last eight months. Those who do a poor representation of Opensource and give us a black eye as per a response from the DOE. I would like to build a bridge, when the time is right, with those who aren't renegades and burn bridges. You have someone in your group who has made a comment to the DOE and they know this person is part of LUAU. Its sad because there are some good people in the group. Dan, I want very much for our fledgling movement to stay very positive and make a noble impact. A mailing list is hardly the audience to denigrate our objectives because of issues you have with a single individual. I find it very hard to believe that our State's DOE has advised you to have nothing to do with the hundreds of members on this mailing list because of one person. Regarding the first quoted sentence above, I assure you that I know of no one who would like this information so that they can request support or try and undermine what I have worked so hard to do over the last eight months. I know that there are dozens of people willing to help the Opensource movement in Hawaii. I am sure that they would be happy to help you without undermining you. I offered you hardware and support back in November of last year. The thing that neither I or the other list members know anything about is your organization so that we could help. Must it exist in secrecy? To be honest with you, Dan, it sounds somewhat pretentious and a little insincere when you discuss all of your great efforts without any reference to your organization. I know more about your physical condition after you got hit by a car than I do about what I can do to help you to advance our shared objectives. I have deliberately tried to make my efforts to form HOSEF as open and public as humanly possible. Perhaps to the chagrin of the list members, I have nearly spammed us with updates, status, and opportunities to be involved. It is my intention for HOSEF to exist independent of the effects of any one individual. This requires openness. I intend for it to be an institution in Hawaii for decades to come. If you wish to continue to inform the list of your inititiatives, it would be fair and appropriate if you let us know who your organization is, how we can help, or where we can send money. The more you claim secrecy because of one of LUAU's members, the less credibility you will garner from the esteemed members of LUAU. I promise you that there are people who want to help you. aloha scott ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
RE: [luau] Friday night IRC meeting, Linux for Hawaii schools
Warren It's already a done deal. Remember last July I asked you to help me setup a demo for the Lingle Campaign headquarters but you were busy giving a speech on the big island? Well thanks to the help I received from the mainland and a team of individuals who are experienced with LTSP and RHAS, we were able to put together a demo and have created a non-profit group dealing primarily with the public school system. I have all the tech coordinators on a list here on Oahu and have been working on this project since July of last year. I have had more time since being injured to talk with all the coordinators, DOE and have the support from three major entities here in Hawaii and abroad. I mentioned before that I support what you guys are doing but I didn't feel anyone back in July showed any interest in this so I just did this myself with other support. I don't see a need to bring anyone else in on this at this time and don't feel it would be appropriate since I have already done the leg work. This is a done deal. I am even in the process of signing up some of the coordinators for training at CompUSA. I have already spoken with some of the people doing the Linux/LTSP training. If we need any additional support, I will be sure to let you know. Since the applications were certified with this new version of RHAS no tweaking was needed. Since last July nobody else from the group has setup the kind of donations, support and connections that I have done. My point was always rather than debate or discuss issues that are non related to do something about it and I did. Regardless I still support what you guys are doing because Opensource is the only way to go. Thanks Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] el.ics.hawaii.edu]On Behalf to Warren Togami Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 12:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [luau] Friday night IRC meeting, Linux for Hawaii schools LinuxDan wrote: I have been working with the DOE, the state of Hawaii, CompUSA (supporter), Redhat (supporter) and Oceanic (supporter) on the public schools. We have already geared up a demo to be presented to all the tech coordinators here on Oahu. Eh... who is We? You have been almost out of communication with our efforts of HOSEF so I have no idea what you're up to. I now have time to present to educators or anyone on any topic. Just connect me with the audience and I will win them over. Warren Togami [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
RE: [luau] Friday night IRC meeting, Linux for Hawaii schools
Guys To be honest, I have worked so hard getting the donations and the support and have verbally been asked by one of my contacts at the DOE who stated that a member of the LUAU group threatened to sue the state if they didn't allow them to go in and setup an Opensource network. I know who it was and I am not going to embarrass them here because there is no point in doing that. But the DOE head does not want to work with this individual or the group he belongs to. So I do not want to cut our throats and will withhold that info. I have and inside tract with the DOE that nobody else has. I worked with the public schools in California and I didn't burn any bridges like some people here have a tendency to do. That is why they are working with us closely here. Dan On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 11:28:30PM -1000, LinuxDan wrote: You can check the CompUSA training site for any questions you may have. Which site? The first two links I got when I visited the CompuUSA Hawaii site were broken. All the people involved in this project are fully certified and well trained. I just didn't want to be doing anything conflicting to what your trying to achieve and visa versa. Forgive my ignorance, but what _is_ your effort? Could you explain to the list what your organization does using a _new_ thread topic? I scanned the pipermail topics as far back as July 2002, but could not find information. Thanks, -Vince _ On Wednesday 12 February 2003 11:28 pm, LinuxDan wrote: I didn't receive any support on this the time I came up with this idea last summer (July) and had to wing it. Since my injury last December, I have worked on non-profit status in order to qualify for the support I now have. I seem to recall several of us getting together many times to discuss and plan the CompUSA demo we all helped with I think it is great that you continue to work on your non=profit status, and I hope that it does in fact qualify you for the support you now have. I am confused, though, Dan. Is it productive to strike out on your own when so much more can be achieved if we work together on these objectives? All the people involved in this project are fully certified and well trained. I just didn't want to be doing anything conflicting to what your trying to achieve and visa versa. Other than you, who are the people and what is the certification? It sounds great and all, but some more information other than that you are also trying to help schools may allow more of us to be involved in your efforts. That is, if you want help with your efforts. aloha scott ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
RE: [luau] Friday night IRC meeting, Linux for Hawaii schools
I have been working with the DOE, the state of Hawaii, CompUSA (supporter), Redhat (supporter) and Oceanic (supporter) on the public schools. We have already geared up a demo to be presented to all the tech coordinators here on Oahu. If you all remember the Lingle Campaign demo I was setting up around the time we had that CompUSA demo, I have already given the presentation and proposal and this will include the seven districts (school boards approval) within the budget restraints. I didn't receive any support on this the time I came up with this idea last summer (July) and had to wing it. Since my injury last December, I have worked on non-profit status in order to qualify for the support I now have. You can check the CompUSA training site for any questions you may have. I am still supportive of any Opensource projects or groups out there including the mainland, who has given us so much help since many of those groups have already setup many of these networks in the public schools in their respective states. All the people involved in this project are fully certified and well trained. I just didn't want to be doing anything conflicting to what your trying to achieve and visa versa. The tech coordinators will be trained on the new systems at CompUSA. Dan Hi all As one who lurks on this list, and is an avid supporter of the project, let me share a resource that may help us find schools for the project. I had a conversation yesterday with one of the buildings' personnel at Mid-Pacific Institute. It turns out that his wife works for the Superintendent of the Windward district. (This would include schools from Waimanalo to Kaaawa, exactly the type of clientele the HOSEF project is trying to reach.) He wanted to know who to contact. For now, I've asked him to contact Mark Hines at Mid-Pacific Institute, since Mark seems to run into Warren more often than I do. For future reference, is there a number/contact for HOSEF that can be used for the wider community to use? This could help. Also, another thing might be to get past clientele to pass the word to other schools if they find the lab and service provided by HOSEF helpful (which of course they will). Hope this helps. Glad to know the project is going so swimmingly. :-) Take care all. You are fighting the good fight. Aloha Tom Donahoe ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
RE: [luau] CMS systems and Web Based Forums
Warren I agree entirely with that statement. I am using PHP/MySQL and I haven't had any security issues partially to do with the IBM wireless security software configured by non other than Redhat. My wireless DLINK router does it all giving me the bandwidth I need from 22mps to 56 on a 802.11a dual mode configuration. At a cost of $149.00 for the router and $59 for the PCM card, you cant go wrong. The router has a five port switch for my wired backbone in which I have over 200mps consistent. I have two P3s, P3 Sony Laptop (which is what I am using now) and P4 253 with a gig of DDR 333 and 600 GB with built on Raid which will be a LTSP and .NET server. Ihave a QCOM fiber mode network card and cable converter which should give me over 500mps for server side. I haven't setup Apache yet. I just received support from Redhat and Microsoft who sent me the full version of .NET server without any strings attached and a lifetime client licensing. I have a meeting with the DOE and the network coordinator of the public school system. I will be setting up a demo with some donated equipment I received. I have some people coming over my place tonight from the city accounting department. Lingle mentioned through Brian Durham during the campaign that they would be looking to upgrade the state wide database infrastructure and that is taking place now and will start with the accounting department. I am just getting back up on my feet, since I was hit by a car in December crossing the street, and plan on getting non-profit status for the projects I am working on. I created a tech manual with DVD video showing over 200 hours of computer repairs, configurations and exam preparation. CompUSA corporate director has showed an interest in this and also will support Opensource projects here in Hawaii. I have worked on a lot of things while being laid up. I have had major support from my sons and daughters schools and interest is spreading. I am also setting up a network over at a retirement villa and it may give me access and contacts to the other retirement facilities around the island. This is a major retirement location. Dan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Warren Togami Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [luau] CMS systems and Web Based Forums Vince Hoang wrote: http://drupal.org http://postnuke.com/ http://www.xoops.org/modules/news/ http://www.phpbb.com/ (see http://ruslug.rutgers.edu/) http://slashcode.com/ http://plone.org/ All the CMSes discussed via E-mail or IRC seem to be PHP/MySQL-based. I threw the last two, based on perl and python, respectively, for good measure. I am in favor of a PHP-based solution mostly because videl is already running PHP on Apache. One concern to keep in mind is that PHPNuke has been littered with security holes. The original author is a pretty good designer, but he had no concept of security. (PHPNuke begat Postnuke which begat Xoops.) I am in favor of PHP/MySQL based solutions, but yes I am concerned about security. I would definitely run any CMS system in its own virtual server with its own instance of Apache and MySQL. That would be difficult on videl currently though, because we are maxed out at 512MB RAM. With a CMS, would we want to allow forums? I fear that would take away from the mailing lists. There are two sides to this problem of mailing lists vs forums. First the benefits of forums when compared to mailing lists. * Threads naturally stay together. * No need to trim quotes, it happens naturally. No need to be annoyed when people persistently violate this rule of netiquette. * Much easier to avoid threads that you care nothing about. * Much easier to separate posts into categories, for example: ** General Chat Forum ** Programming Chat Forum ** Linux for Schools Forum ** HOSEF Staff Forum (private) ** Commercial Solicitation Forum * Easier to securely delegate responsibilities to various admins and moderators for specific forums. (Less work for me.) Back when I took over LUAU in a hostile coup d'état (year 2000?) the Hawaii Open Source community was much smaller and less active. Back then I wanted to move the community to a web forum rather than mailing list, but I realized it wouldn't work at that time. This brings me to largest drawback of forums. Push vs Pull media Mailing lists are push media, like TV or radio. This means that if you choose to see it (subscribe), it is always delivered to your mailbox. Web forums are pull media like most web sites. While they may have the many benefits listed above, like any other web site you have to actually REMEMBER to visit the site. Pull media works well when you have larger communities. Look at this site that I help to maintain for an example: http://www.amdforums.com. Traffic is consistent so there is almost always new and interesting
RE: [luau] Linux Classes
Sound familiar. Dejavou -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ho'ala Greevy Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 10:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [luau] Linux Classes Unfortunately this semester's Intro to RedHat course at HCC has been cancelled due to low enrollment. -ho'ala Vince Hoang said: I think Ho'ala is teaching a few courses at HCC. They are one or two sessions, so it looks more like a brain-dump type of thing. -Vince ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
RE: [luau] hyperthreading facts
YES!! Ask Brian Low also. We are putting together P4-2.53 with Intel boards with HT that do the job regardless What else you may hear. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robert Green Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [luau] hyperthreading facts I don't know much about Hyperthreading, but do the applications need to be specially optimized and/or recompiled for you to get performance increases, or will standard applications see these types of improvements just due to the CPU alone? Thanks! Rob --- R. Scott Belford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-htl/?ca=dgr-lnxw01Hype rThread#resources Intel Xeon Hyper-Threading is definitely having a positive impact on Linux kernel and multithreaded applications. The speed-up from Hyper-Threading could be as high as 30% in stock kernel 2.4.19, to 51% in kernel 2.5.32 due to drastic changes in the scheduler run queue's support and Hyper-Threading awareness. ... This article was linked from Slashdot. scott ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
RE: [luau] hyperthreading facts
THANK YOU SCOTT THAT'S WHAT IVE BEEN STATING ALL ALONG AND GETTING NEGATIVE FEEDBACK. Some people are so opinionated that they don't read the facts. I have been using this for over a month with even better results. Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of R. Scott Belford Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [luau] hyperthreading facts http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-htl/?ca=dgr-lnxw01Hype rThread#resources Intel Xeon Hyper-Threading is definitely having a positive impact on Linux kernel and multithreaded applications. The speed-up from Hyper-Threading could be as high as 30% in stock kernel 2.4.19, to 51% in kernel 2.5.32 due to drastic changes in the scheduler run queue's support and Hyper-Threading awareness. ... This article was linked from Slashdot. scott ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
RE: [luau] Re: thread problems
I met Eric Raymond at a show in Las Vegas before and he was at the last technical conference there. Also read Everyday Linux which includes a forward by Eric and is a most recent publication. Eric is still a leader in the front for Opensource. Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ho'ala Greevy Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 9:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [luau] Re: thread problems Eric is referring to a term coined by Eric S. Raymond in his book, The Cathedral The Bazaar. ESR refers to it as Linus's Law as states it as, Given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow. You can find it on page 30. It's a great read! -ho'ala Eric Jeschke said: To quote a oft-repeated phrase: Many eyes make bugs shallow (or something to that effect!) ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
RE: [luau] Western DIgital Drives / Hard drives in general
Or if you cant get Steven Chong than ask for John Gilliam and tell him that I sent you. John manages the direct sales and approves any price quotes. If you have any difficulty with getting any questions answered or help in general then let me know and I will contact the GM. Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Randall Oshita Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 10:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [luau] Western DIgital Drives / Hard drives in general Make sure you go to the business section. Ask for Steve Chong. He is my source at Comps. Randall Jimen Ching wrote: I cheched CompUSA. I didn't find any SCSI drives in the hard drive section (i.e. next to the video card section). Is the SCSI drives somewhere else? --jc I asked a few days ago. They apparently don't have any in stock. Only way to get them is to special order. Warren ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
RE: [luau] Western DIgital Drives / Hard drives in general
They changed the aloha shirt style but in general they are the only authorized employees who can wear aloha shirts. Paul Ip usually works in that area and can direct you to the right person. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Randall Oshita Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 10:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [luau] Western DIgital Drives / Hard drives in general No they don't stock them. You need to go towards the back near the Training facility, Corporate Accounts I believe its called - all those guys with Blue and White shirts. They can get a lot of stuff, I even inquired for a P4 Xeon once which they said they can get, I didn't however. Randall -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jimen Ching Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 11:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [luau] Western DIgital Drives / Hard drives in general On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Randall Oshita wrote: Oh yea, I almost forgot try CompUSA as they can be reasonable on the business services. I cheched CompUSA. I didn't find any SCSI drives in the hard drive section (i.e. next to the video card section). Is the SCSI drives somewhere else? --jc -- Jimen Ching (WH6BRR) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
RE: [luau] hosef buildfest
Maybe Warren could give his seminar at Pricebusters at the same time and you could listen to the seminar and build units at the same time. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of R. Scott Belford Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 5:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [luau] hosef buildfest Tomorrow I want to encourage any of you who were interested in coming by pricebusters to help with the refurbishing of computers to instead dedicate your time to Warren's seminar at Mid-Pac. It will be a great experience, and there is far more time available in the future for buildfests than there is for these seminars. Please attend. scott ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
RE: [luau] Hyper technology
All I can say is that testing with the MIT software, the article from Linux Magazine (January 2003 page 8) and Mark Minasi (W2K guru) and Dan York (Linux guru)all show performance levels that justify what Intel (retail site) stated on how that the CPU reacts as a dual processor since the technology uses thinner (diameter) wiring throughout the processor. Mark and Dan just published a book together called Linux for Windows Administrators which is a follow up to the Secret Decoder Ring book, in which Dan describes how hypertechnology is a plus for Unix/Windows systems. They give high performance ratings on a box that uses it versus one that uses dual xeon (2.0 ghz) CPUs. I want to move on to other issues so I will not be responding to anymore emails on this. If you have any further questions, please buy the book or check the Intel Retail site which url I listed previously. If you already tweaked your hdd to work on a previous unit and installed the same hdd on the box which uses this technology, then that may be why you have such poor performance. Do a fresh install of RH or Windows and wipe your hdd clean prior to running the new install and you will definitely see a performance boost. I just know from installing a dual boot (XP and RH8) on a friends box that it works as well as stated. Dan L1 and L2 cache as well so don't buy into any negative comments about hyperthreading until you read the facts. Buy the way, the unit described in this article was a Dell and came preinstalled with RH7.2. Dan I don't profess to understand completely how L1 and L2 cache works, but I know enough to say I don't think you understand the true nature of this situation. Hyperthreading simply doesn't make things twice as fast. No disrespect intended. Warren ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
RE: [luau] laptops
Charles I have a Vaio PCG-9231 Intel p3-700 which works great with XP and RH8. I use the wireless D-Link airplus setup which uses 802.11a and b with between the 22 and 56mbps. Its quick!! I bought it for $50 and rebuilt the unit out of five other units I scraped. You can do this from purchasing units from E-Bay. Dan I'm looking for a laptop that'll run linux really well, is pretty powerful, and has a BIG screen, something like the new Vaio 16 laptop monitor. I seem to be finding a lot of info, but none that I really want. Anybody know of an info source for laptops that could help me narrow it down some? Thanks, -Charles ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
RE: [luau] Hyper technology
Randall Get the January issue of Linux magazine and turn to page 8. It fully describes how Redhat7.3 and later support hyperthreading out of the box. Also, hyperthreading technology started with the 2.0 chip. It increases processing speeds up to twice as fast as a dual processor and utilizes the L1 and L2 cache as well so don't buy into any negative comments about hyperthreading until you read the facts. Buy the way, the unit described in this article was a Dell and came preinstalled with RH7.2. Dan Randall Oshita wrote: Where can I check in 7.3 to see if its using HT? Randall If your hardware and kernel properly supports hyperthreading, then you would actually see what appears like multiple processors in top and other system monitors, but it is actually your one Pentium4 or Xeon processor. Now that I think about it, Red Hat 7.x after all updates uses the same kernel as Red Hat 8.0, a heavily patched 2.4.18, so even older 7.x releases can run hyperthreading now. Only difference with the 7.x kernel is that they are compiled with the old gcc 2.96 instead of gcc 3.2. But anyway, in most cases you wont notice much differences with hyperthreading enabled. A few specific optimized cases go faster with hyperthreading, but there's also a few cases where things actually can go SLOWER with hyperthreading due to one thread killing the L1 or L2 onchip cache used by the other. Warren ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
RE: [luau] Re: PPC vs. X86
NOT -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jimen Ching Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 6:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [luau] Re: PPC vs. X86 On Sat, 28 Dec 2002, Eric Jeschke wrote: would probably outperform a 1.3GHz P4 and maybe even a 1.5GHz P4. This is same reason that a 1.6 GHz Athlon was outperforming a 2.0GHz P4. BUT P4's are currently topping out above 3GHz!! Deminishing returns...After reading some of the benchmarks that people have done, each gigahertz increase in clock rate does not give you the equivalent performance boost. I.e. a 2GHz Athlon is not twice as fast as a 1Ghz Athlon. Of course, this doesn't provide any advantages to Apple. A PowerMac is still more expensive in terms of performance per dollar. But this does suggest that clock rate along is not the determining factor. instructions/clock) is just not able to keep up. I saw a recent review (sorry don't remember where) of a dual 1GHz PPC against a 3GHz P4 with hyperthreading; the Mac lost on every benchmark. You must mean the benchmarks found here: http://www.azillionmonkeys.com/qed/apple.html I also found a host of other PowerPC vs. Intel/AMD benchmarks. After reading all of these benchmarks, I noticed they are always pitting a lower clock rate PowerPC against a higher clock rate x86. This is understandable if they can't find a PowerPC with the equivalent clock speed. But do these people realize that they're not comparing apples to apples (excuse the pun)? The only thing I learned from these benchmarks is that people pay a premium on the Apple logo, or a premium on the x86 clock rate and power consumption. Seems like people are forced to pay for an inefficient device in one form or another. Oh, there is another thing I learned. There seems to be a lot of bias, in both the PowerPC and x86 worlds. One could easily get the wrong impression if one doesn't do a complete search. If you are doing I/O bound work rather than CPU bound work then, yes, you should save your money and buy a slower processor because it will be waiting most of the time anyway... I guess the trick is to try to match the two. I.e. don't let one, or the other, be the bottleneck. I don't agree with this. They are tracking the top of the PPC manufacturing pretty closely. Witness: the dual 1GHz G4 is their current top of the line (they have been beating Motorola's door down trying to get them to build a faster chip, but Motorola does not have the market/fab/capitalization/design/?? to ramp the architecture up as fast as Intel and AMD). When I said Apple is not producing higher clock speed systems, I mean Motorola is not producing the necessary PPC's for Apple. Anyone know why Motorola is slow to produce the higher clock rate processors? Even AMD is conceding the 32-bit performance crown to Intel, because nothing AMD has now in the 32 bit line is touching the P4's performance. Do you mean clock speed instead of performance? I believe you mentioned earlier that the two aren't always a one-to-one comparison. AMD sounds like it got tired of the clock race, just like the consumers. One last thing: you mentioned that Firewire was competitive to SCSI (in your quoted email). Not to my understanding or experience. Firewire tops out at 400 Mbps or 50 MBps. Even IDE has a better transfer rate than this. Firewire is nice in that it is hot-plug; you can also do RAID tricks over firewire to increase the performance, but a good high-speed SCSI subsystem (or even IDE) will be much superior in terms of performance. Can you elaborate on your experience? The problem with personal experience is that everyone has their own. So one has to understand how similar the usage patterns are before making conclusions about experience. --jc -- Jimen Ching (WH6BRR) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
RE: [luau] Hyper technologyMOT
MIT created the benchmark utility, which calibrates for 64s also. I don't know many NUTS who go to MIT. This was also backed by NASA who requested this from MIT. After Intel reemed them earlier from the original production and promises from the first Pentium processors in which Intel used their own benchmark software. That was kind of the fox guarding the hen house. So AMD came out with their own as well. i -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Randall Oshita Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 7:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [luau] Hyper technology Just curious, how are you measuring your performance benchmarks. I did some searchs on hyperthreading benchmarks, and none of them indicate anywhere near that kind of performance increase. The performance improvements are usually under 10%. --jc well you also need to take into consideration what platform he was on before. So linux dan what was your system prior? Because, ya 200% is nuts!! Randall ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
RE: [luau] hosef buildfest
Scott If I were able to walk, I would have helped you in both staging and deployment. Unfortunately I have a fracture that wont be healed enough to walk until March. I also like your ideas on the LUAU. Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of R. Scott Belford Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 6:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [luau] hosef buildfest It is going to be difficult for me to do the buildfest today at the stadium marketplace pricebusters today. If you have an insatiable desire to go there today to do something, please call me at 306-5519. We can probably work something out. scott ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
RE: [luau] Hyper technology
Randall The MLB D845PEBT2 also has onboard RAID. Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Randall Oshita Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 1:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [luau] Hyper technology LinuxDan, Whats the exact model on that board? And chipset? Tryong to look for it on Intel's site. Thanks Randall Jimen I am using the Intel 2.53 CPU and MLB that uses hyperthreading on triple boot system running RH8, W2K and XP. Actually RH8 utilizes it better than MS. I have 200% increase in speed and data transfer rates. Dan ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
RE: [luau] apt repository for Red Hat 8.0.92 (phoebe) beta
Warren Did you finally get that Compaq Laptop to work? Dan
RE: [luau] apt repository for Red Hat 8.0.92 (phoebe) beta
Warren So you still have that Laptop or did you take it back? I guess the only alternative is to use XP??! Dan LinuxDan wrote: Warren Did you finally get that Compaq Laptop to work? Dan Do you mean the Compaq Presario 900 series? It turned out that the chipset is brand new and undocumented, so it caused tons of problems with various Linux components. This turned into one ugly Bugzilla report and a mailing list with 50 members, and growing. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=72387 Radeon IGP chipset is not supported (eg Compaq Presario 900, HP z4115) http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/linuxpresario900 I don't know if this latest Red Hat beta has the changes necessary to run this laptop. Warren ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
RE: [luau] Ladies and Gentlemen
I'd like to start up something more interesting like maybe a discussion on encrypted remote file systems like webdav or that new one based upon sftp that was written up in this months Linux journal??? What say you folks? /brian chee Brian I agree with your suggestions. Dan
RE: [luau] Re: PowerPC system for Linux
Jimen Please let me know how that turns out. Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jimen Ching Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 11:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [luau] Re: PowerPC system for Linux On Fri, 27 Dec 2002, Thomas David Burns wrote: There is a local user's group (HMAUS) with an okay mailing list, There's also a local mac programmer list (no automatic sign-up, you Thanks for the pointers to the user groups. My searches on google did return HMAUS, but HAPA didn't comeup. I'll subscribe and see what I can learn. Thanks again. --jc -- Jimen Ching (WH6BRR) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
RE: [luau] PowerPC system for Linux
Just received MLB and CPU from Intel (DB45PEBT2 MLB and 2.53 P4 CPU) that support hyper technology allowing one CPU to act as multiprocessors allowing faster data rates and complex math computations. I am eager to put it together as soon as I get a worthy case and maybe even a DVD RW. I am going to dual boot XP and RH8 Server on this. Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jimen Ching Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 8:04 PM To: LUAU Subject: [luau] PowerPC system for Linux Hi all, I'm thinking of upgrading my computer and I would like to move to a PowerPC system. I don't know much about the PowerPC world, and was wondering if anyone on the list could give me some pointers. Is there a site that has introductory information about the PowerPC or Mac world? I'm mainly looking for hardware information, since I have no plans to install MacOS X on my system. Thanks in advance. --jc -- Jimen Ching (WH6BRR) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
RE: [luau] Hyper technology
Jimen I am using the Intel 2.53 CPU and MLB that uses hyperthreading on triple boot system running RH8, W2K and XP. Actually RH8 utilizes it better than MS. I have 200% increase in speed and data transfer rates. Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jimen Ching Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 5:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [luau] Hyper technology On Fri, 27 Dec 2002, Warren Togami wrote: Hyperthreading you mean? Yes, hyperthreading. RH8.0, Mandrake 9.0 or SuSE 8.1 or newer should be able to handle it just fine. I doubt the issue is with the distribution. What kernel version is used in RH8.0? RH7.3 uses a patched 2.4.18. --jc -- Jimen Ching (WH6BRR) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
RE: [luau] Xandros
Redhat Actually is the best. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alvin Murphy Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 8:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [luau] Xandros I notice that Xandros is out. Has anybody tried it. I remember Corel was the slickest OS; I might have stayed with it if I could have gotten sound. Is Xandros proprietary? Would that make one a traitor to open source? ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
RE: [luau] techsomething radio show
Murphy You can try contacting Brian Durham on the Lingle campaign advisory council. I was in contact with them (which led to my position with the NMCI project on base) about Linux/Opensource and was going to work with Warren Togami on a demo for them but Warren had a busy schedule and well you know the results of the campaign. Anyways Queenie (y?) is the one running the local campaign and she was very enthusiastic about having a demo. She is probably the last 100% Polynesian or Hawaii (actual) native here on the island. She carries the most weight and everyone has had to go through her to reach Lingle but then this was during the campaign. I hope this helps you. Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alvin Murphy Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 7:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [luau] techsomething radio show H everyone; looking for advice. A couple of times I have called the radio show on public radio, called thinktechhawaii or something similar. Each time when I mentioned Linux or open source issues, I feel I was met with something like quiet derision. I am wondering what to do about this. Seems like it could be an important forum. Recently they were discussing who should be on the governer's technology advisory panel, and they did not seem to think open source was an important issue although at least one subsequent caller also mentioned it. I am very tempted to log on to their website and rant at little. Any ideas? ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
RE: [luau] Mozilla w/ xft
The first is bolder (46869) Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jimen Ching Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 6:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [luau] Mozilla w/ xft On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, W. Wayne Liauh wrote: Compare the two screenshots of Mozilla 1.2.1, (1) with xft: http://www.wpuniverse.com/vb/attachment.php?s=postid=46869 (2) without xft: http://www.wpuniverse.com/vb/attachment.php?s=postid=46870 You have better eyes than me. I can't tell the difference. --jc -- Jimen Ching (WH6BRR) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
RE: [luau] HOSEF status
Scott I would be there to help but I'm still laid up with this fracture. I encourage others to support Scott and the various projects. My priorities will change come February and hopefully will complete my LPIs and also my RHCE. I don't have anything else to do while I'm banged up like this. Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joe Linux Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 10:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [luau] HOSEF status Is that going to be at the Stadium Mall? R. Scott Belford wrote: Please join us tomorrow, Saturday the 21st, from 1-4, to work on some of the donated equipment. ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
RE: [luau] shorewall and transparent proxy on single machine
I wished I had dansguardian on Dec 2 and maybe I wouldn't have gotten my fanny ran over on my way to work. I'm sure Ray Strode would understand this one! Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vince Hoang Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 9:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [luau] shorewall and transparent proxy on single machine On Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 11:27:14PM -0500, Nelson Garcia wrote: Everything works as expected when I force Mozilla to use port 8080 (dansguardian) or port 3128 (squid) as proxy ports, but that's missing the point. I want it to be transparent. Caveat: I have not setup dansguardian. My best guess is your squid configuration not setup properly. Try changing the configuration so that squid acts as an http accelerator (reverse proxy) and not a traditional proxy. HTH, -Vince ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
RE: [luau] Injury
Thanks! You do the same Ron. Dan Keep the faith... Im recovering from a lumbar back injury (week 4) and wasnt able to sit in a chair for almost 2 weeks. Youll be on your feet in no time. Time to learn to code or setup one of those complex Linux projects that you have been putting off for a rainy day. Try ntop, very rewarding. Do you best, and Merry Xmas! On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Dan George wrote: I havent contributed to much lately and plan to give some information on using the latest D-Link 22mbps wireless under Linux as soon as I complete the configuration. I was struck by a car while walking toward downtown crossing Beretania at Alakea. I have a tibea fracture in my left knee area and had surgery the day of the accident which was on the 2nd. Im laid up and unable to bend my knee to sit at my desk so Im laying on the sofa with this wireless laptop running both W2K and RH8. Dan George ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
RE: [luau] Injury
Thanks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeff Mings Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 11:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [luau] Injury Ouch! Best wishes for a full and speedy recovery! Dan George wrote: I havent contributed to much lately and plan to give some information on using the latest D-Link 22mbps wireless under Linux as soon as I complete the configuration. I was struck by a car while walking toward downtown crossing Beretania at Alakea. I have a tibea fracture in my left knee area and had surgery the day of the accident which was on the 2nd. Im laid up and unable to bend my knee to sit at my desk so Im laying on the sofa with this wireless laptop running both W2K and RH8. Dan George ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [luau] Leaving... On a submarine
say hi to Joe Bransfield for me - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LUAU [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 4:29 AM Subject: Re: [luau] Leaving... On a submarine Been there, done that! Have fun sucking air through the hose on drill days. On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Brandon Jasper wrote: Hey, just giving notice that I'll be away for six months or so. I'm getting off the list so I won't have a gig of mail when I come back :P Reguards, Brandon Jasper ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
RE: [luau] Free PII 350 Motherboard
I also have a P2-400 with MLB and case I can part with. Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Warren Togami Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 3:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [luau] Free PII 350 Motherboard - Original Message - From: Karen Lofstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [luau] Free PII 350 Motherboard I've got to leave in 20 minutes, but if I get a persuasive email before then, I may be persuaded to relinquish the board. Don't worry about it, the foundation has other sources for parts coming soon and we wont be able to use it immediately anyway. ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
RE: [luau] Firewalls
Warren How do you have your box setup? Do you run squid? How do you have it configured? Well that's actually ideal. You could perhaps put other firewall related services on that box like Squid. Just make sure it never touches swap and things will be very fast. ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [luau] Unix Job
Rick Two suggestions: 1. Altress- across from Blasedell Center on Kapiolani. 2. Joe B. when he gets back has on base group of Unix programmers and network people. I will mention this to him when he gets back from trip in the end of Nov to early December. I hope this message doesn't rile anyone. I just can't think of a better place to post it. I'm a Unix System Administrator looking for a job. If anyone has any inside leads they're willing to share, please email them directly to me. Thanks, Rick Chavez [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [luau] Any Open Source Programmers?
Im working with Perl, PHP and now Ruby. I really run thin on time but I prefer these over VB7 or .NET. programming. Neither project is really finished and neither are actively being worked on at the moment. Yeah, I have a ton of those too :) Don ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [luau] List Policy
Dusty I agree with what you are saying. I just meant to use the starving students analogy as an example and not to point fingers. Im sure that the gentleman has legitimate questions and needs help. Im just refering to business people who could donate equipment or resources to help the needs of Opensource movement like MPLUG. If it were not for the time, money and effort this group puts out in order to educate individuals like this gentleman and others, there wouldnt be an Opensource movement. Then people wouldnt know all the benefits of Opensource. Aloha, Come on guys, this has been blown WAY out of proportion! This was someone asking for help. The second guy said he heard about linux from the CompUSA thing and wanted help. This list used to be about helping people and not chastising them for asking for help! It is okay to give someone free help, but insulting if they offer to pay a little money? This list used to be about talking about open source and helping each other learn new things about open source, no matter if they are newbies or geeks who have been using Unix since it only ran on a PDP-11. I think we need to calm down a little, this is supposed to be about building the open source community in Hawaii, isn't it? Dusty I agree with what you depict as Spam. I believe in most situations like the starving students declaration, people are looking for a cheap way to get someone to do their dirty work and get free training in the process. I particularly dont like that people would abuse the list by resorting to such tactics just to save a few bucks. Its rather insulting. ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [luau] Graphic art design
Warren I believe it was Grant who gave Edward the list for help but as Grant doesnt understand LUAUs Spam policy, Im afraid Edward was unaware he was Spamming. We should post a Spam notice prior to chastising any people who are sending such emails. Dan Warren, I am sorry for my behavior. I did not know. A nice person at comp usa referred me to your website. I shall delist. I am very sorry. Edward - Original Message - From: Warren Togami [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [luau] Graphic art design According to my records, you subscribe to the list and immediately posted your commercial solicitation THREE TIMES as well as spamming me directly with this same message. Did you send this message to everyone else in the list archives too? I do not appreciate this type of behavior. - Original Message - From: Edward Baker To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 8:14 PM Subject: [luau] Graphic art design Hello, My name is Edward. I wish to commission a professional graphic art designer to render a 3D single image that is very simple in design. Sincerely, Edward ___
Fw: Fw: [luau] Help with Red Hat install of rwCdRom
- Original Message - From: al plant [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: linuxdan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 9:26 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [luau] Help with Red Hat install of rwCdRom linuxdan wrote: Al Ive checked with my braintrust on this one because I was a little confused. The same Sony CD Burner you purchased Im using on a RH7.3/8.0 box and didnt have to reconfig the kernel to get it to work. Please follow the attached email for contact info and instructions. Thanks Dan Some people from the Red Hat Psyche mailing list responded to this. Attached are their responses. And I'm in agreement, it sounds like the ide-scsi kernel module isn't configured, and the bottom portion of your message makes little sense. --- Hi Dan, The CR RW Cdrom is regognized by the OS. But the instructions are missing as to where to put the modules in to make it convert from IDE- SCSI and the how-to's don't tell you where the files are which are supposed to be changed. The OS is basically a 7.2 Red Hat upgraded to a 7.3. What files and instructions did you have to add to get yours to work? I have looked at the how'to's and the help from [EMAIL PROTECTED] I do not know the tree structure of Redhat 7.* . This person Mark says its under /boot/grub/grub.conf The how to's don't even say anything about this. Aloha! Al Plant - Webmaster http://hawaiidakine.com Providing FAST DSL Service for $28.00 /mo. Member Small Business Hawaii. Running FreeBSD 4.5 UNIX Caldera Linux 2.4 RedHat 7.2 Support OPEN SOURCE in Business Computing. Phone 808-622-0043
[luau] Fw: This is Grant
- Original Message - From: Grant Apgar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 7:51 PM Subject: This is Grant hey dan, I can't find a graphical utilite on RedHat 8.0 that allows removal of 3rd party rpm's. the package manager is only for system files. And I hate using the command line for this because sometimes I forget a package name or can't recall it. Have you seen anything like this? or do I have to download a 3rdparty package manager Sincerely, Grant _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
[luau] Fw: Cd RomRW on Red Hat 7.2
Can you help out AL with this please. Im not sure how to configure this one. He was using SCSI now uses the IDE Sony CDRW. It works on my ver RH7.3 and the 8.0 so Im not sure about the trouble hes having with this. - Original Message - From: al plant [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dan George [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 11:07 AM Subject: Cd RomRW on Red Hat 7.2 Hi Dan, I have tried for 2 days now to figure out the install from two how-to's for the new CDRW that I bought from you on Red hat 7*. This box is 7.2 uptodate. Almost all of the files that are talked about in the how to's are not on the installation I have on the box. Are these just bad how-to's? One I know now is too old. They all,talk about hd?=ide-scsi, but don't tell where in the tree it is. Is it in /etc/grub or where? It says add the line to menu-lst for example. menu.lst Isn't any where on the system and neither are the SCSI modules for srO, sr1 etc... Or the /dev for the sr0, sr1 etc... Do you have a Red Hat how to you followed for the burner you installed on your red hat box? Could you list the files that you have that run the thing and please tell me where they are on the tree? It is impossible to know where to add a missing file like menu.lst on a Red Hat system as they have changed the tree structure several times since 6.*. (One of the reasons I don't usually use Red hat any more.) This box is for burning cd's only. So it has just the CDRW and a sound card on it. Thanks. Aloha! Al Plant - Webmaster http://hawaiidakine.com Providing FAST DSL Service for $28.00 /mo. Member Small Business Hawaii. Running FreeBSD 4.5 UNIX Caldera Linux 2.4 RedHat 7.2 Support OPEN SOURCE in Business Computing. Phone 808-622-0043
[luau] Demo Turnout
I'm afraid CompUSA wouldn't do that again unless we can guarantee a much larger turnout. We have 15 solid contacts and 3 people definitely are signing up for Linux Plus. They are just deciding on which method of payment they will use to pay for the classes. Those were the same three guys that talked to Brian and saw Brians demo. So I wouldnt say it was a failure at all. The Professor (see Scott) and the dentist (Brian and I) will also be taking night classes when available. Dan
Re: [luau] OpenSourceAdvocates
On Thu, 2002-10-10 at 00:16, Jimen Ching wrote: As Ron said in an earlier post, people don't choose software on merit, they choose software out of fear. The only way people will learn to use any new software is if the software is placed in front of them. Perhaps if you let Scott Belford demonstrate his POS terminal like we planned, some people might have seen that a simple ANSI display is as easy to use as any GUI. I disallowed Scott from demonstrating his POS terminal? I did no such thing. I think it should be said that we need to meet more without any excuses to work as a team to demonstrate the resources available under open source. I saw some great things come out of Sundays demo that involved teamwork. No one player can function successfully on their own. There can not be any last minute decisions or changes which mean that decisions made during the meeting prior to the demos should take presedence. Anyone who doesnt show up for those meetings should yield to those who have committed themselves to planning the demo. Everyones talent and expertise should be taken into account and if they show up for the meetings they should be allowed to participate. What other reason would anyone want to be part of a group or team. ___
Re: [luau] who said we had to follow?
Hoala Thanks again for the help yesterday. If it wasnt for your efforts, we wouldnt have had the additional signups to be on the list. I noticed many lookie loos came through the training center even though they didnt sign up. We had a foot traffic of about 145 people check out the demo. The reason I know is due to security people I asked to help keep track while we were on the floor added to those I already counted with flyer in hand exiting throught the training side casually looking at the units up front. Maybe they were worried about a sales pitch. Anyways thanks again!! Dan - Original Message - From: Ho'ala Greevy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 4:04 PM Subject: [luau] who said we had to follow? Ladies and Gentlemen, As manager of hoalagreevy, LLC, I'm pleased to announce our latest product offering- Pau Spam! Powered by RedHat Linux, Pau Spam! eliminates spam and viruses at the server level, before they ever reach the end user. In addition, Pau Spam! works on any existing platform and end users don't need to install any additional software. Sounds great, eh? :-] Soley developed here in Hawaii, interested parties can learn more about our innovative product at http://hoalagreevy.com/products.html Mahalo nui for all your support, Ho'ala Greevy ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [luau] non-profit incorporation
Ditto from Dan and much Mahalo Scott for your professional expertise. I know that the success we had wasnt based on the numbers as much as the quality of the participants. What I mean is that like the dentist that Brian and I talked to the Professor surely was a good indication that we are reaching the right sector. Dan Aloha Scott, I really dig the folowing name: Open Source Technology for Hawai`ian Schools Foundation. I was thinking, this sounded a little better: Open Source Technology for Hawaii Foundation. This would give the name a little more flexability. There are a lot more than just non-profit schools that could be utilizing our project. There are a lot of non-profit orginazations out there that not only work with schools but with other places as donations. This would also allow us to plug into these places also. What do you think? Thanks, Brian Brian Low Security X 1515 Nuuanu Ave. #555 Honolulu, HI 96817 Phone: (808) 371-3571 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [luau] non-profit incorporation
Ray Thanks for your help also. I know that your technical knowledge was a key factor in the success of the demo. Dan Hawai`i Open Source Education Initiative Foundation For Hawaiian Open Sourced Schools Hawai`ian Institute for Open Sourced Education Open Source Technology for Hawai`ian Schools Foundation Hawai`ian Gnu/Linux Educational Organization Hawai`ian Institute of Openly Sourced Education Technology Technological Inititative for Open Source Hawai`ian Schools Schools Growing with Open Source Technology Hawai`ian Education Foundation for Open Source Integration Open Source Computing Organization for Hawai`ian Schools I see a common theme here of education, but wouldn't it be better to name the non-profit to something slightly more general, so that in the future we can use it for helping other non-school related entities? Libraries, Youth Centers, etc... --Ray ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
[luau] Mahalo Warren
Warren What can I say. I was totally impressed as well as many others on how you put this together. Thanks for putting such a large effort and I promise you that I will help out as much as I can to continue looking for contactsand resources to support whatever the next demo or cause may be. Also thank Elayne for being there also. She made all of us bums look good because after Saturday night and Sunday morning prep, we needed someone around who looked alive and knowledgeable. Dan
[luau] Thanks Charles
Charles, thanks also for your support and knowledge as well.
[luau] Jimen
Jimen I know if it wasnt for your push, this demo may not have happened. I know you stayed focused for the group and you contributed so much that a simple thank you couldnt be enough.
[luau] Everyone Else
Contributions made and overlooked, Im deeply sorry but Id like to thank you right now. So many have given ideas supported the group and yet (since Im 42) overlooked someone who I failed to mention, THANK YOU. Mahalo Dan
[luau] Redhat lives!!
I finally received the box from Redhat today. I received a few goodies. They sent me the Professional RH8.0, the Deluxe version 8.0 ( I was disappointed not to get the Advanced Server) a couplecoffee mugs, brochures on Advanced Server with something to display at the next demo. I also received a package of Redhat mints. Also a promise of open contact with RH rep which includes direct business number as well as cell phone. They also provided information on RedHats contributions to education. I wish I could have tossed out a few of these items to the audience like the mints.I may have a lot more coming for the ITEC demo. Im sending them a care package as well. Im sure they will like it!!! Dan
[luau] Demo
I hope I havent missed anything for the demo. The name badges (Brian) are the same as business card size. The projectors are ready for me to check out tomarrow morning. I will also ask for a small size blue/white aloha polo. The will be ready to place the equipment in tomarrow night at 6pm. Pauwilo gave me some cash to spend on food for tomarrow night. Anyone coming tomarrow night will be well fed. Dan
Re: [luau] Help Needed with Comp USA
- Original Message - From: Randall Oshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 10:25 AM Subject: RE: [luau] Help Needed with Comp USA When I took the CDRom back because it has never worked under Win 98 or Unix/Linux. The burner is Scsi and is detected and the drivers load etc. under all three O/S, but the door won't open and a test cd will not be found. I know a lot of stores claim that if they can't fix it, they will replace it when the sell the extended warranty. I would write a letter of complaint the State Office of Consumer Protection. Al, Forget Waikele!! They suck! From what I know if your CDROM has power and the door dose not open it's a damn hardware issue! You have a business right? Go to the town store and head on in to corporate service. Look for a guy named Jon or Steve Chong. I've done business with them and they are very caring. Hope this helps. Randall Oshita AL Come see me Dan George Tech Admin #793 in Honolulu. I just need you to bring in your receipt and will try to cover it under TAP. I can get you a burner that works best for your system. Dan 543-6644
[luau] Demo progress report
I hung the banner and handed out over two hundred more flyers downtown. I sent several faxes to local radio and TV stations so let me know if you hear anything about the demo. The banners are up tonight and if you happen to be driving by CompUSA let me know if its visible enough. Three new projectors will be available tomarrow. Everyone has been notified by the GM that we will be able to borrow those. I will add to the morning meeting tomarrow for everyone to talk Demo. Everyone should be handing out flyers tomarrow along with the schedule of events for Sunday. I will be bringing the shirts down Saturday night. You may want to wear dark blue slacks Sunday because there will be quite a few professional business people there. I just received a voicemail from Chris Gillespie at RedHat and he wished us luck Sunday. Said they would be more supportive for the ITEC conference. I have clearance to use the monitors in training center as long as we put everything back in place Sunday. They will also be going from room to room loading software for the next day of classes starting at 5pm. Brian/Warren I have news about those donated computers On October the 10th the local and state government will be dropping off a lot of computer equipment. Some working and some not working. I will talk with John about that when he gets back on Monday. I should be able to get some of that equipment when I explain what it would be used for. Dan
Re: [luau] CD Rom Burner in Linux or Free BSD
Yes Hi Val and Sony. I have two DVD and CDRWs that work great and I believe they run at $59 each at CompUSA. Check out last Sundays ad. Dan - Original Message - From: al plant [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LUAU [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 9:52 AM Subject: [luau] CD Rom Burner in Linux or Free BSD Hi, Anyone have the name of a brand of CD Burner that works under Linux or FreeBSD? Aloha! Al Plant - Webmaster http://hawaiidakine.com Providing FAST DSL Service for $28.00 /mo. Member Small Business Hawaii. Running FreeBSD 4.5 UNIX Caldera Linux 2.4 RedHat 7.2 Support OPEN SOURCE in Business Computing. Phone 808-622-0043 ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
[luau] Appearance
Warren About attire, do you know where I can get some Linux/Opensource shirts locally? Ive been trying to get some polo/dress shirts that we could wear at the demo from corporate but they may not arrive in time. Im just wondering how we can identify the group separate from the business people and general public. I guess they dont want thongs and T-shirts at the demo. I tried to contact Redhat, Caldera, Corel and IBM but couldnt get any shirts thusfar just promises they will send a dozen polo shirts with the opensource or Linux logo. Do you have any ideas? I know this sounds trivial but they are concerned a little how the group will appear. Dan
[luau] Demo Shirts
Im picking up the shirts for the team to wear at Demo day on Wednesday morning here locally. They are 100% cotton Polo shirts and Royal blue in color. I may not have time to have the MPLUG embrodered on the shirts but I will try. I think someone in Chinatown may be able to do it. I thought about some Opensource logo on the opposite side of the front would be nice also.But at least I will have the shirts. Dan
[luau] Linuxconf in 7.2
Brian I believe linuxconf works best in 7.1 and I believe we had to run an RPM and install Linuxconf to work in 7.2 in the Linux+ class at CompUSA. have done some research and have found the default to be located at /sbin/linuxconf. Do I need to install a package or something to get linuxconf installed..
Re: [luau] Linuxconf in 7.2
On Friday 27 September 2002 06:17 pm, you wrote: I would really highly suggest not showing Linuxconf at the CompUSA demo. We may be running 7.2 and 7.3 from the front end. I have both loaded on my box with W2K Pro and XP. I already have linuxconf running on one box and dont have another box to run. I actually couldnt get another box to replace this one. The 7.2 is running linuxconf. The other unit is an Apple and a Sony LPT running 7.3. Dan
Re: [luau] Linuxconf in 7.2
I really think SuSE's YaST2, Mandrake DrakConf, Red Hat 8.0 redhat-config tools and Webmin would be much better to demonstrate. Relying on Linuxconf is a terrible, terrible mistake. Where is the mirror site to load 8.0 and is the kernel stable? Dan
[luau] Compaq Link
This link has all the Compaq related software restore and driver files. Its a vast database that is helpful to anyone looking for Linux drivers also for their Compaqs. Dan http://cpnapp.compaq.com/pdf/us_con_pdf/tech/tech/index.html
Re: [luau] Experiences with the RHCE
Does this mean you have your RHCE?? - Original Message - From: Ho'ala Greevy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 1:25 PM Subject: [luau] Experiences with the RHCE I flew to the mainlnad last week for RHCE training in Los Angeles. The material was well covered, the instructor was knowledgeable, and the exam was rough. My guess is that out of the eleven of us that took part in the 7 hour exam, about half failed. Out of all the certs I've taken, the RHCE was hands down the hardest yet. This is definitely not a paper cert! Got my results back today from Red Hat, I passed. Secretbonus! Ho'ala ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [luau] Experiences with the RHCE
There are two RHCE people over at Waikele. I just never had the pleasure of meeting them. But from what I understand, it took them two years to acheive their RHCE even with the 10 years of Unix and 3 years of Linux/Opensource experience. They mentioned how the certification material was obsolete even after it was just published. I guess the boot camp is the best method if you already have years of hands on experience. - Original Message - From: Warren Togami [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [luau] Experiences with the RHCE On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 17:06, linuxdan wrote: Does this mean you have your RHCE?? Yup, he said he passed. I think that makes him the first Hawaii local with RHCE... unless there's some military dude that got it first. ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [luau] cd burner
I've have pretty good luck out of the drive I bought from CompUSA back in March. I think the brand is Hi-Lite. HI_VAL is the Brand and yes its very compatible with Linux because of the drivers associate better for it under the UNIX/LINUX platform than WINTEL machines. Funny thing, it seems to burn faster under Linux using eroaster than Nero under MSwin Windows will quit supporting CD burning software once Paladium hits the shelves. You also have to be careful about the updates. MS is trying to capture any video copying characteristics with frame buffers even with Office 2000. Ive had many complaints with professionals doing presentations with it when it failed to run video captures after they updated Office.
[luau] netiquette-advertising on LUAU
Well for one thing CompUSA doesnt need to hawk their services since they do about 3.2 million dollars a month in direct sales. The main reason they are doing this is simply because I asked them to. I think that Linux training and specifically RHCE (Redhat) should be available here as it is on the mainland. Also jobs, outsourcing here local talent allows those living here in Hawaii to stay here rather than having to go to the mainland just to work. Ive been pushing this for two years. Ive even met with Linda Lingles group to discuss this matter since she has the potential and momentum to become the next governer of Hawaii. Dan Otherwise, more power to you Charles Paul, maybe everyone should starthawking their services on this list. Seriously, we just when round andround about netiquette a few days ago. I think you should re-thinkpermitting these commerical announcements on the mail list no matter howwell meaning they may be.
[luau] Wayne Liauh
Wayne Please give send me contact info. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Dan
Re: [luau] 9/10/2002 - MPLUG Status... HELP!
Warren Isnt there another a HP Opensource conference at the convention center coming up? I know HP rep mentioned that they were going to set something up. Also meeting with IBM on the 17th and HP on the 18th. Im hoping to get your views on this. Maybe you may have time to attend? Dan - Original Message - From: Warren Togami [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:53 PM Subject: [luau] 9/10/2002 - MPLUG Status... HELP! MPLUG Status 9/10/2002 Warren is Busy -- I'm really busy with school and there's tons happening below. HELP!!! Warren speaking at BILUG meeting September 21st -- I've been invited by Big Island Linux Users Group to speak at their next meeting about our Linux for Schools efforts on Saturday, September 21st at University of Hawaii Hilo. They will have some educators at that meeting too. http://cs.uhh.hawaii.edu/BILUG/ BILUG homepage Computer Expo is Canceled -- I've just been informed by Dave Kobashigawa that Computer Expo 2002 will be cancelled. Official announcement is due out soon. Crap. There went our two booths for 5 days and two keynotes, including the Linux for Schools keynote that would have been to 200-300 educators. I hope we can find another expo or convention where we can exhibit and have that keynote. Any ideas? Two Linux Training Classes in Town -- CompUSA and Terabiz locally have upcoming Linux classes for some kind of Linux certification. I don't remember the details at the moment, I will need to dig those up. Will post again later about this. CompUSA Linux for Business Demo Day -- Sunday, October 6th Ala Moana CompUSA Training center Jimen, Dan or somebody please summarize about what's going on regarding this. Until somebody posts a summary you can read about the planning for the CompUSA Demo Day in the LinuxBusinessHawaii mailing list archives: http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/linuxbusinesshawaii IBM/RedHat meeting? -- Dan, what is the status of these upcoming meetings? Non-Profit Corporation Registration -- Sorry Scott I didn't get a chance to call you yet. Perhaps we should discuss on list about the corporation registration stuff (except for the board choosing) on list because the Articles of Incorporation will be on public record anyway. We need some of the following: * Choose the Foundation name. * Fix up our Articles of Incorporation * Pick initial board members * Some smaller details like mission statement will need to be written. I'm thinking about this. Any suggestions? Hawaii Linux Mirror situation UH got a bit angry with Videl today when she began pushing 50-70mbit/sec consistently all day due to the release of Linux Mandrake 9.0 rc2. I'm forced to throttle Videl down to 10mbit/sec for now until I clarify the situation. I suspect that I will not be able to get more bandwidth. =( I am now hoping that I can get a mirror onto Oceanic's network in order to improve accessibility to the majority of us in Hawaii. We were limited between UH and Oceanic by a 10mbit link. I suspect that if we can get a mirror onto Oceanic's network we can have high bandwidth to Roadrunner people, and rate limited bandwidth to everyone else. If Oceanic agrees to a Linux mirror, we will need to provide a server. I will ask for donations when/if this occurs. Are there any other ISP's or businesses out there willing to provide some Linux mirroring? I can help you setup automatic mirroring of whatever you wish to mirror, and limit bandwidth utilization to protect your network resources. Please let me know. St. John LTSP lab configuration - In the past few weeks Wilson Chan and I have installed 12 LTSP clients, LTSP server and Linux firewall at St. John the Baptist school in Kalihi. The firewall was rather complicated to setup with four NIC's and iptables configuration to handle Internet NAT and inter-VLAN routing between 3 VLAN's. Big thanks goes to MonMotha and Ray Strode who were instrumental in getting those complicated rules working properly. Can someone post those rules for public record? It might be useful to somebody, even just academically. This Firewall is also running Squid proxy cache and Eric Harrison's SquidGuard package for content filtering. The LTSP server and thin clients are working but in need of severe amounts of software configuration. Experienced Linux people are needed in order to prepare it for student use. Several of the tasks pending: * StarOffice 6.0 installation * StarOffice profile scripting to get rid of the Workstation Install * Gnome defaults including: ** File associations ** Menu cleanups, make it as simple as possible * Mozilla simplification and privacy defaults * All of the above changes must propagate to all users
[luau] Ruby
How many use Ruby to set up their website? What are the pros and cons about Ruby?
[luau] Linux Help
http://www.minasi.com/forum/ This is the forum of a friend Mark Minasi who writes mostly the Mastering (Sybex) Series books. He has let me know he now has a Linux 7.3 book due out in November and also he has Linux help now available at his site. FYI Dan
[luau] Mandrake on my wife's Presario laptop 711
Alvin If you like Mandrake over RedHat I can understand trying to get it to work. But I recommend RH7.3 which works on just about any Laptop out there and seems to be more flexible. I have installed dual boots on a 10 gig drive with RH7.3 and W2K and they work fine. Even though more space would be nice. Im getting three 30 gig drives from a friend for 3 different LPTs which all run RH7.3 with no problem.
[luau] IBM/Opensource Expo
When and Where? Kind of received wrong info on this folkes. Also so far have spoke to about 15-20 business people this week that are coming to the Oct06 Demo. Also considering a basic,basic Linux classes that go over installation, RPMs and Window managers. Any suggestions please email me. When someone purchases the Linux RH7.3 software, they will give a free class,maybe??? Dan
[luau] virus scan/checker
The reason for this is that, unless you're being an idiot (or you're running Lindows, don't get me started), you don't go cruising around as root all the time --MonMotha Well count me as an idiot because that what I did. Went to SUmode and checked my email without changing back to normal user mode.I just recompiled to kernel 2.5 also. Its a shame because that was the first time I had it working. Had to wipe out all contact info. At least Im assuming it was a virus because I couldnt send emails even though the smtp server was configured correctly and the username and password were also correct. But this time I have a file from a fried that blinks SU or R in the taskbar in Red. Dan
[luau] Jobs
Well if anyone hears of a decent night job somewhere Im interested. I just lost my night job,part time programming, because of the quota system. I knew it was a long shot that I could have kept it, probationary thing and I didnt have overwhelming qualifications with .NET VB7.Only 3 of 10 were hired permanent part time. Just in case someone hears something in IT or management.I dohave a great resume but have to stay locally. Plenty of jobs if I could move to mainland but would lose wife and kids here.
