Re: [LUAU] traceroute missing on Ubuntu 8*
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 05:21:53PM -1000, Al Plant wrote: Aloha, I have to test networks with this HP Mini running Ububtu 8*. So I need traceroute. The normal Linux or FreeBSD command is the same. I searched and found many complaints about this with Ubuntu. That it is missing. Doesnt work from (root) sudo or usr. Synaptic is your friend. Coming from FreeBSD, as I did, you're going to be extremely irked for a while, as I was, by everything that's *not* included in the distro. Ubuntu's built on Debian, and Debian is an extremely stripped-down distro. C Compiler? not included. Basic networking utilities? not included. Etcetera, etcetera. The bright side is that package management is done quite well; you'll just need to get into one of the package managers - and I do like the Synaptic GUI the best - browse through it and check off a ton of stuff, and then twiddle your thumbs for a while as it all downloads and installs. -- Clifton -- Clifton Royston -- clift...@iandicomputing.com / clift...@lava.net President - I and I Computing * http://www.iandicomputing.com/ Custom programming, network design, systems and network consulting services ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] traceroute missing on Ubuntu 8*
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Clifton Roystonclift...@iandicomputing.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 05:21:53PM -1000, Al Plant wrote: Aloha, I have to test networks with this HP Mini running Ububtu 8*. So I need traceroute. The normal Linux or FreeBSD command is the same. I searched and found many complaints about this with Ubuntu. That it is missing. Doesnt work from (root) sudo or usr. Synaptic is your friend. Coming from FreeBSD, as I did, you're going to be extremely irked for a while, as I was, by everything that's *not* included in the distro. Ubuntu's built on Debian, and Debian is an extremely stripped-down distro. C Compiler? not included. Basic networking utilities? not included. Etcetera, etcetera. The bright side is that package management is done quite well; you'll just need to get into one of the package managers - and I do like the Synaptic GUI the best - browse through it and check off a ton of stuff, and then twiddle your thumbs for a while as it all downloads and installs. -- Clifton Debian has over 20,000 packages available. Ubuntu is in the same area. For some reason Ubuntu ships with traceroute6 installed, but not traceroute. Should one wish to stay with the command line, aptitude search and apt-cache search help. In all due respect, Debian Lenny (current stable release) ships with traceroute, traceroute6, and more. For good security reasons, it does not ship with the esteemed gnu C compiler. It can be easily installed if you want it and know why you want it. Results follow: From Debian Lenny, our Hosef mirror, using tab completion sc...@mirror:~$ tracer traceroute traceroute.dbtracert traceroute6 traceroute-nanog tracert.db traceroute6.db traceroute-nanog.db From Ubuntu 8.04 using the aforementioned tools: apt-cache search traceroute iputils-tracepath - Tools to trace the network path to a remote host mtr-tiny - Full screen ncurses traceroute tool traceroute - Traces the route taken by packets over an IPv4/IPv6 network honeyd - Small daemon that creates virtual hosts simulating their services and behaviour hp-search-mac - Search for a MAC address on HP switches hping2 - Active Network Smashing Tool hping3 - Active Network Smashing Tool lft - layer-four traceroute libnet-rawip-perl - Perl interface to lowlevel TCP/IP libnet0 - library for the construction and handling of network packets (obsolete) libnet1 - library for the construction and handling of network packets libnet1-dev - development files for libnet mtr - Full screen ncurses and X11 traceroute tool ndisc6 - IPv6 diagnostic tools netwox - networking utilities netwox-doc - documentation for netwox toolbox paketto - Unusual TCP/IP testing tools paris-traceroute - New version of well known tool traceroute prewikka - Graphical analysis console for the Prelude IDS Framework python-pyip - Python modules for raw ip packet assembling/disassembling remstats-bintools - Remote Statistics System: traceroute and multiping tcptraceroute - A traceroute implementation using TCP packets traceproto - traceroute replacement that supports TCP, UDP, and ICMP traceroute-nanog - Determine route of packets in TCP/IP networks (NANOG variant) xt - A graphical traceroute irpas - Internetwork Routing Protocol Attack Suite --scott ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] traceroute missing on Ubuntu 8*
--- On Tue, 6/30/09, R. Scott Belford sc...@belford.net wrote: Ubuntu's built on Debian, and Debian is an extremely stripped-down distro. C Compiler? not included. Basic networking utilities? not included. Etcetera, etcetera. On Fedora, GCC isn't installed on a 'standard default' install. It's been like that for a long time. It's just the philosophy of a binary Linux distro vs. a source based OS like FreeBSD. In that you don't need to build so GCC isn't necessary... But is a 'yum install gcc' away. Debian has over 20,000 packages available. Ubuntu is in the same area. For some reason Ubuntu ships with traceroute6 installed, but not traceroute. Should one wish to stay with the command line, aptitude search and apt-cache search help. Fedora has traceroute6 symlinked to traceroute. $ ls -l /bin/traceroute6 lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 10 2009-06-14 14:28 /bin/traceroute6 - traceroute $ rpm -q traceroute traceroute-2.0.12-2.fc11.x86_64 - Julian ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] traceroute missing on Ubuntu 8*
On Tue, 30 Jun 2009, R. Scott Belford wrote: area. For some reason Ubuntu ships with traceroute6 installed, but not traceroute. Should one wish to stay with the command line, traceroute6 will work with IPv4 hosts/addresses. Just create a soft symlink to traceroute (or create a shell alias) and you're done. Antonio Querubin whois: AQ7-ARIN ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] traceroute missing on Ubuntu 8*
John Montgomery wrote: See if the mtr utility is in your distro? http://linux.die.net/man/8/mtr --John Montgomery Sent from my iPhone On Jun 30, 2009, at 5:21 PM, Al Plant n...@hdk5.net wrote: Aloha, I have to test networks with this HP Mini running Ububtu 8*. So I need traceroute. The normal Linux or FreeBSD command is the same. I searched and found many complaints about this with Ubuntu. That it is missing. Doesnt work from (root) sudo or usr. Acn anyone help me to install this utility and the rest that are needed for Network trouble shooting. Can I use aptget like Debian to install missing utilities. Is there away to load a full bash or tcsh shell on this box? So far the only thing I havent got running is the way to use a remote wireless connection like at Starbucks and my network printer I think needs a prrintcap file like I learned to do way back the day. Mahalo.. ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* + email: n...@hdk5.net All that's really worth doing is what we do for others.- Lewis Carrol ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org Aloha, No mtr. -- ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* + email: n...@hdk5.net All that's really worth doing is what we do for others.- Lewis Carrol ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] traceroute missing on Ubuntu 8*
Jason Axelson wrote: apt-get install traceroute ought to install it. But I would second the choice of mtr. I find it much better than traceroute (although I've only done limited work with either). Another thing you could check is tracepath, and it may even already be installed on your system. Sorry, I would check right now on one of my Ubuntu boxes, but they seem to be down at the moment, so I'm not sure about the above advice. Jason On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Al Plantn...@hdk5.net wrote: Aloha, I have to test networks with this HP Mini running Ububtu 8*. So I need traceroute. The normal Linux or FreeBSD command is the same. I searched and found many complaints about this with Ubuntu. That it is missing. Doesnt work from (root) sudo or usr. Acn anyone help me to install this utility and the rest that are needed for Network trouble shooting. Can I use aptget like Debian to install missing utilities. Is there away to load a full bash or tcsh shell on this box? So far the only thing I havent got running is the way to use a remote wireless connection like at Starbucks and my network printer I think needs a prrintcap file like I learned to do way back the day. Mahalo.. ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* + email: n...@hdk5.net All that's really worth doing is what we do for others.- Lewis Carrol ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org Aloha, Thanks this worked from the command line just fine. Now I dont understand the CUPS printing setup. I tried the helper app but no printcap file was created for my Laserjet 1100. There is a driver listed and the ljet4q is selected but no que was written or printcap file so the test didnt work from the command line. Any Ideas how this works? I have a network print server that runs FreeBSD lpr apsfilter and all the other boxes work from the command line and GUI's too. I am used to FreeBAS that has all the Utilities installed. Now I remember why I switched. I only ever had a Debian box that seemed to like me. A long time ago. Scott may remember the days at Mid Pac. Mahalo... -- ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* + email: n...@hdk5.net All that's really worth doing is what we do for others.- Lewis Carrol ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] traceroute missing on Ubuntu 8*
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Al Plantn...@hdk5.net wrote: Aloha, Thanks this worked from the command line just fine. Now I dont understand the CUPS printing setup. I tried the helper app but no printcap file was created for my Laserjet 1100. There is a driver listed and the ljet4q is selected but no que was written or printcap file so the test didnt work from the command line. Try localhost:631 with a browser. This is the real cups front-end. You might try the command, aptitude search cups| grep lpr, to see what terminal tools are available. Others might have a better query to suggest. I seem to recall there being a toolset for those used to lpr and printcaps. I am used to FreeBAS that has all the Utilities installed. Now I remember why I switched. I only ever had a Debian box that seemed to like me. A long time ago. Scott may remember the days at Mid Pac. Wow, Al. That's going back to, what, 2001(ish)? Interestingly, the more I, ahem, mature, the more I love and appreciate FreeBSD. Want a great example? The SSO Roaming Profile samba/nfs/ldap piece that is critical to an open standards infrastructure is challenging at best. Read how this FreeBSD forum how-to evolves to a script and an .iso within 6 months. http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=770 Mahalo... -- ~Al --scott ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] traceroute missing on Ubuntu 8*
Aloha Al! I have been switching many of my boxen to Ubuntu, with the servers running the long term edition of 8. In addition to using apt-get, you can just browse through all of the available / installed repository apps using aptitude from the console. Yes, I still do a lot of work using SSH, and aptitude is great for looking through the available choices for adding an FTP server, or picking from the versions of a certain type of service that are available with a few keystrokes. Good luck, -Jeff Al Plant wrote: Aloha, I have to test networks with this HP Mini running Ububtu 8*. So I need traceroute. The normal Linux or FreeBSD command is the same. I searched and found many complaints about this with Ubuntu. That it is missing. Doesnt work from (root) sudo or usr. Acn anyone help me to install this utility and the rest that are needed for Network trouble shooting. Can I use aptget like Debian to install missing utilities. Is there away to load a full bash or tcsh shell on this box? So far the only thing I havent got running is the way to use a remote wireless connection like at Starbucks and my network printer I think needs a prrintcap file like I learned to do way back the day. Mahalo.. ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* + email: n...@hdk5.net All that's really worth doing is what we do for others.- Lewis Carrol ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] traceroute missing on Ubuntu 8*
Jeff Mings wrote: Aloha Al! I have been switching many of my boxen to Ubuntu, with the servers running the long term edition of 8. In addition to using apt-get, you can just browse through all of the available / installed repository apps using aptitude from the console. Yes, I still do a lot of work using SSH, and aptitude is great for looking through the available choices for adding an FTP server, or picking from the versions of a certain type of service that are available with a few keystrokes. Good luck, -Jeff Al Plant wrote: Aloha, I have to test networks with this HP Mini running Ububtu 8*. So I need traceroute. The normal Linux or FreeBSD command is the same. I searched and found many complaints about this with Ubuntu. That it is missing. Doesnt work from (root) sudo or usr. Acn anyone help me to install this utility and the rest that are needed for Network trouble shooting. Can I use aptget like Debian to install missing utilities. Is there away to load a full bash or tcsh shell on this box? So far the only thing I havent got running is the way to use a remote wireless connection like at Starbucks and my network printer I think needs a prrintcap file like I learned to do way back the day. Mahalo.. ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* + email: n...@hdk5.net All that's really worth doing is what we do for others.- Lewis Carrol ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org ## Aloha Jeff, A lot of guys from the past popping up on LUAU list these past few days. I think I started Linux back when LUAU was at the University Lab behind Manoa playhouse. ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* + email: n...@hdk5.net All that's really worth doing is what we do for others.- Lewis Carrol ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] traceroute missing on Ubuntu 8*
See if the mtr utility is in your distro? http://linux.die.net/man/8/mtr --John Montgomery Sent from my iPhone On Jun 30, 2009, at 5:21 PM, Al Plant n...@hdk5.net wrote: Aloha, I have to test networks with this HP Mini running Ububtu 8*. So I need traceroute. The normal Linux or FreeBSD command is the same. I searched and found many complaints about this with Ubuntu. That it is missing. Doesnt work from (root) sudo or usr. Acn anyone help me to install this utility and the rest that are needed for Network trouble shooting. Can I use aptget like Debian to install missing utilities. Is there away to load a full bash or tcsh shell on this box? So far the only thing I havent got running is the way to use a remote wireless connection like at Starbucks and my network printer I think needs a prrintcap file like I learned to do way back the day. Mahalo.. ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* + email: n...@hdk5.net All that's really worth doing is what we do for others.- Lewis Carrol ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] traceroute missing on Ubuntu 8*
apt-get install traceroute ought to install it. But I would second the choice of mtr. I find it much better than traceroute (although I've only done limited work with either). Another thing you could check is tracepath, and it may even already be installed on your system. Sorry, I would check right now on one of my Ubuntu boxes, but they seem to be down at the moment, so I'm not sure about the above advice. Jason On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Al Plantn...@hdk5.net wrote: Aloha, I have to test networks with this HP Mini running Ububtu 8*. So I need traceroute. The normal Linux or FreeBSD command is the same. I searched and found many complaints about this with Ubuntu. That it is missing. Doesnt work from (root) sudo or usr. Acn anyone help me to install this utility and the rest that are needed for Network trouble shooting. Can I use aptget like Debian to install missing utilities. Is there away to load a full bash or tcsh shell on this box? So far the only thing I havent got running is the way to use a remote wireless connection like at Starbucks and my network printer I think needs a prrintcap file like I learned to do way back the day. Mahalo.. ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* + email: n...@hdk5.net All that's really worth doing is what we do for others.- Lewis Carrol ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
