[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: esne
It is a sonata movement by Friedrich himself. So there would be no tab. RT - Original Message - From: Ron Fletcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:22 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: esne I seem to have missed the thread on Pesne in my recent absence. In trying to to pick up on it, I came across this site... http://www.exulanten.com/portrait.html Can anyone identify the background music? Is it available in Fronimo or a PDF file for baroque-lute? 10-course tablature might be preferred for a lot of ren-only players. Best Wishes to all Ron (UK) -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne
I got to it somehow from the youTube preformance that you posted. Here's a small version of the picture. Dale - Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dale Young [EMAIL PROTECTED]; BAROQUE-LUTE baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne I have no idea which video site that may be. RT - Original Message - From: Dale Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: BAROQUE-LUTE baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 3:17 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne Maybe the painter was messing with us Or he originally did two identical paintings only one of them had some errors we were supposed to spot. And the correct painting is hidden in an attic in Dusseldorf...Yeah that's it! Anyhow, Roman, You have a really cool picture on your video site of a lautespieler (13 course/rider/reflex pegbox) with a great hat and coat. Can I get a larger format download of that? Dale - Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: BAROQUE-LUTE baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 12:15 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne I am not 100% convinced. Mme Keyserlinck was not a run-of-the-mill cutie, but a noted virtuosa. RT - Original Message - From: David Van Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dale Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]; peter rauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:06 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne I think Dale's right, it IS a prop, but still interesting as an instrument, that is it probably is not a fake in the Franciolini sense. Though I do now agree that, given the fret spacings, we probably can't be certain the the bridge spacings show a double top course and 12 courses rather than singel top and second and 13 courses. The red basses remain as evidence though. David At 12:49 -0500 4/3/07, Dale Young wrote: Equally spaced ie not graduated in any kind of Pythagorean construct ? Give a cute little girl who is having to rearrange the string spacing to accomodate her little hand an instrument with an abnormally long fingerboard with ungraduated fret spacing... it's a prop. I rest my case ladies and gentlemen. She's still cute. Dale - Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]; peter rauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Dale Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 10:30 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne There is a 14 fret Schelle in Budapest. RT - Original Message - From: Dale Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]; peter rauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 12:24 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne Okay, If you're going to make the reach easier, one would have the string spacing compressed toward the hand edge of the fingerboard not away from it. Just me? Thirteen equally spaced frets on the neck, abnormal, at least for 18th century west central european terrestrial lute.(don't want to step on anyone's toes here. Might be the thing for air lute) Dale - Original Message - From: peter rauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Dale Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:38 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne Dear List, I think on the painting there is a real lute played by the beautiful lady. I think the reason for the strange stringing is that the sattle and the distance between the strings was changed to fit the smaller fingers of a young lady. do you think the red color of the bass strings is because they are wound with copper? I counted 13 frets - not unusual. regards from austria, peter - Original Message - From: Dale Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 6:22 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne As for accuracy, I think there are a couple too many frets for reality.Which makes the whole lute thing look more like a prop. She sure is cute. Too bad, she's probably dead by now. Dale - Original Message - From: Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne I like her right hand. It looks very relaxed. The pinky is outside the bridge and I bet she would have slid the whole hand gracefully upwards when she needed to reach the lowest sounding courses, keeping the little finger
[LUTE] Re: django unavailable
thank's, Roman, but what shall I do with that URL? It is a generic domain hosting site. I don't know how to proceed. Manolo Laguillo Roman Turovsky wrote: It is removed. The registered page has moved to http://musickshandmade.com/ RT - Original Message - From: stephen arndt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LUTELIST lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 12:05 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: django unavailable Manolo, I can't get it either. Stephen - Original Message - From: Manolo Laguillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LUTELIST lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 4:37 PM Subject: [LUTE] django unavailable Dear friends, I'm trying to load the Django page (electric lute forgery), but nothing happens... Are you encountering the same problem? Manolo Laguillo -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html _ Need personalized email and website? Look no further. It's easy with Doteasy $0 Web Hosting! Learn more at www.doteasy.com --
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne
Dear List, I think on the painting there is a real lute played by the beautiful lady. I think the reason for the strange stringing is that the sattle and the distance between the strings was changed to fit the smaller fingers of a young lady. do you think the red color of the bass strings is because they are wound with copper? I counted 13 frets - not unusual. regards from austria, peter - Original Message - From: Dale Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 6:22 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne As for accuracy, I think there are a couple too many frets for reality.Which makes the whole lute thing look more like a prop. She sure is cute. Too bad, she's probably dead by now. Dale - Original Message - From: Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne I like her right hand. It looks very relaxed. The pinky is outside the bridge and I bet she would have slid the whole hand gracefully upwards when she needed to reach the lowest sounding courses, keeping the little finger outside and parallel to the bridge the whole time. I'm sure she could play and remain pretty and dignified alla Mary Burwel. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Pesne
On Sunday 01 April 2007 11:38, you wrote: Dear List, I think on the painting there is a real lute played by the beautiful lady. I think the reason for the strange stringing is that the sattle and the distance between the strings was changed to fit the smaller fingers of a young lady. do you think the red color of the bass strings is because they are wound with copper? I counted 13 frets - not unusual. regards from austria, peter The red color could be from loaded gut strings (mercury or whatever) as can also be seen on the famous mouton painting, although antoine pesne is already late baroque, so perhaps wound strings are possible too. The right hand suggest a low string tension. Nice to see that this hand position is also used for these late baroque lutes. Interesting painting! Not just the lute, the silk dress is also painted very nice. Taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: django unavailable
mmh, thank you, Tony... I'm arriving step by step to the goal... now I only need the credentials (username, password). sorry for asking so much, but, how can I register myself? Shall I ask Alan Veylit? again, thank you very much Manolo Tony Chalkley wrote: Manolo, you need the rest - http://musickshandmade.com/cake/users/login Tony - Original Message - From: Manolo Laguillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LUTELIST lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 11:17 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: django unavailable thank's, Roman, but what shall I do with that URL? It is a generic domain hosting site. I don't know how to proceed. Manolo Laguillo Roman Turovsky wrote: It is removed. The registered page has moved to http://musickshandmade.com/ RT - Original Message - From: stephen arndt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LUTELIST lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 12:05 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: django unavailable Manolo, I can't get it either. Stephen - Original Message - From: Manolo Laguillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LUTELIST lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 4:37 PM Subject: [LUTE] django unavailable Dear friends, I'm trying to load the Django page (electric lute forgery), but nothing happens... Are you encountering the same problem? Manolo Laguillo -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html _ Need personalized email and website? Look no further. It's easy with Doteasy $0 Web Hosting! Learn more at www.doteasy.com -- --
[LUTE] Re: Luthiers in Los Angeles area.
On Saturday, Mar 31, 2007, at 21:43 America/Los_Angeles, David Pircher wrote: Hi Nancy, Thanks for the suggestion. I'll send you my info off list. I'd be very interested in joining. David Hi David, There might be some guitar builders in the LA area who could do this, but I don't know any. You could check with Michael Miranda [EMAIL PROTECTED] or Howard Posner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Both are on the Lute Society of America board and will know who is possible. The closest read luthier I know is Ken Brodkey a bit of a drive North in Watsonville. His email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] I notice you are not a member of the LSA. If you email me back with a street address I'll send you a sample copy of our Quarterly magazine. Nancy Carlin LSA Administrator To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Luthiers in Los Angeles area.
Sorry about the premature send earlier. I just wanted to remark that I haven't been on the LSA Board of Directors for a while now. As most of you know, I was hounded off the Board after I made a remark during an overseas concert that We're ashamed that the president of the LSA is from Texas. It got ugly after that, what with the lute community being as reactionary as it is: CD burnings, snubbings at major awards ceremonies, hate letters telling me to shut up and intabulate. I'm particularly miffed that Sting said not a word in my defense. But I'm ready to make nice. Nancy Carlin wrote: There might be some guitar builders in the LA area who could do this, but I don't know any. You could check with Michael Miranda [EMAIL PROTECTED] or Howard Posner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Both are on the Lute Society of America board and will know who is possible. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Stung Again
And how long have you been playing in Duluth now Ed? , frankly I think the Minnesota ballet should be ashamed of not having heard this music before Sting released it. Sting may have put Early music on the map for the general population, but it still makes me sick to my stomach that we have been doing this now for 30 years ( it will be 30 years next year since you and I met up at Guitar 78) with hardly any recognition. Bruno On 3/31/07, Edward Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To add to the thread, I was consulted by the Minnesota Ballet today. One of the company's choreographers contacted consulted me today about a dance they are going to do they had heard the Sting album, and met with me in terms of a dance production. It will be a modern dance, with music of Dowland. They were intrigued by the music, and wanted to learn more about Dowland. Ed Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Luthiste, etc Estavel Ensemble de musique ancienne www.estavel.org
[LUTE] Re: Luthiers in Los Angeles area.
Et tu, Howard? Entirely believable, even given today's date. RA __ From: Howard Posner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lute Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Luthiers in Los Angeles area. Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 08:27:39 -0700 Sorry about the premature send earlier. I just wanted to remark that I haven't been on the LSA Board of Directors for a while now. As most of you know, I was hounded off the Board after I made a remark during an overseas concert that We're ashamed that the president of the LSA is from Texas. It got ugly after that, what with the lute community being as reactionary as it is: CD burnings, snubbings at major awards ceremonies, hate letters telling me to shut up and intabulate. I'm particularly miffed that Sting said not a word in my defense. But I'm ready to make nice. Nancy Carlin wrote: There might be some guitar builders in the LA area who could do this, but I don't know any. You could check with Michael Miranda [EMAIL PROTECTED] or Howard Posner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Both are on the Lute Society of America board and will know who is possible. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html _ [1]Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! References 1. http://g.msn.com/8HMAENUS/2740??PS=47575
[LUTE] Re: Stung Again
And how long have you been playing in Duluth now Ed? , frankly I think the Minnesota ballet should be ashamed of not having heard this music before Sting released it. Sting may have put Early music on the map for the general population, but it still makes me sick to my stomach that we have been doing this now for 30 years ( it will be 30 years next year since you and I met up at Guitar 78) with hardly any recognition. Bruno Painful it may be to some. But Sting has real Presence, and we should be grateful he used it on Dowland. i.e SOMEONE ELSE'S MATERIAL. The album is a trubute from one composer to another. That's what I call love and respect. RT On 3/31/07, Edward Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To add to the thread, I was consulted by the Minnesota Ballet today. One of the company's choreographers contacted consulted me today about a dance they are going to do they had heard the Sting album, and met with me in terms of a dance production. It will be a modern dance, with music of Dowland. They were intrigued by the music, and wanted to learn more about Dowland. Ed Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Luthiste, etc Estavel Ensemble de musique ancienne www.estavel.org _ Need personalized email and website? Look no further. It's easy with Doteasy $0 Web Hosting! Learn more at www.doteasy.com
[LUTE] Re: Stung Again
- Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, April 1, 2007 10:46 am Subject: [LUTE] Re: Stung Again Painful it may be to some. But Sting has real Presence, and we should be grateful he used it on Dowland. i.e SOMEONE ELSE'S MATERIAL. The album is a trubute from one composer to another. That's what I call love and respect.RT While the effort is not necessarily to my personal taste, I wholeheartedly agree with every aspect of this assessment. Eugene To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne
Okay, If you're going to make the reach easier, one would have the string spacing compressed toward the hand edge of the fingerboard not away from it. Just me? Thirteen equally spaced frets on the neck, abnormal, at least for 18th century west central european terrestrial lute.(don't want to step on anyone's toes here. Might be the thing for air lute) Dale - Original Message - From: peter rauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Dale Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:38 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne Dear List, I think on the painting there is a real lute played by the beautiful lady. I think the reason for the strange stringing is that the sattle and the distance between the strings was changed to fit the smaller fingers of a young lady. do you think the red color of the bass strings is because they are wound with copper? I counted 13 frets - not unusual. regards from austria, peter - Original Message - From: Dale Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 6:22 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne As for accuracy, I think there are a couple too many frets for reality.Which makes the whole lute thing look more like a prop. She sure is cute. Too bad, she's probably dead by now. Dale - Original Message - From: Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne I like her right hand. It looks very relaxed. The pinky is outside the bridge and I bet she would have slid the whole hand gracefully upwards when she needed to reach the lowest sounding courses, keeping the little finger outside and parallel to the bridge the whole time. I'm sure she could play and remain pretty and dignified alla Mary Burwel. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne
There is a 14 fret Schelle in Budapest. RT - Original Message - From: Dale Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]; peter rauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 12:24 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne Okay, If you're going to make the reach easier, one would have the string spacing compressed toward the hand edge of the fingerboard not away from it. Just me? Thirteen equally spaced frets on the neck, abnormal, at least for 18th century west central european terrestrial lute.(don't want to step on anyone's toes here. Might be the thing for air lute) Dale - Original Message - From: peter rauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Dale Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:38 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne Dear List, I think on the painting there is a real lute played by the beautiful lady. I think the reason for the strange stringing is that the sattle and the distance between the strings was changed to fit the smaller fingers of a young lady. do you think the red color of the bass strings is because they are wound with copper? I counted 13 frets - not unusual. regards from austria, peter - Original Message - From: Dale Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 6:22 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne As for accuracy, I think there are a couple too many frets for reality.Which makes the whole lute thing look more like a prop. She sure is cute. Too bad, she's probably dead by now. Dale - Original Message - From: Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne I like her right hand. It looks very relaxed. The pinky is outside the bridge and I bet she would have slid the whole hand gracefully upwards when she needed to reach the lowest sounding courses, keeping the little finger outside and parallel to the bridge the whole time. I'm sure she could play and remain pretty and dignified alla Mary Burwel. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Stung Again
Dear Bruno, It is good to hear from you. In terms of recognition, the lute world, or early music on the whole, is a small part of the field of the classical arts, including drama, dance or the visual arts. In my small town (population of around 100,000), there are many arts organizations, and there is quite a bit happening. Also, the state of Minnesota has a lot happening with the fine arts as well. Just because someone had not heard of me or the lute is not offensive, in my opinion. For example, I know very little of professional sports (except cycling), so there are many name of professional athletes of which I am unaware. I am glad the ballet expressed some interest. I hope all is well, ed At 10:36 AM 4/1/2007 -0400, Bruno Fournier wrote: And how long have you been playing in Duluth now Ed? , frankly I think the Minnesota ballet should be ashamed of not having heard this music before Sting released it. Sting may have put Early music on the map for the general population, but it still makes me sick to my stomach that we have been doing this now for 30 years ( it will be 30 years next year since you and I met up at Guitar 78) with hardly any recognition. Bruno On 3/31/07, Edward Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To add to the thread, I was consulted by the Minnesota Ballet today. One of the company's choreographers contacted consulted me today about a dance they are going to do they had heard the Sting album, and met with me in terms of a dance production. It will be a modern dance, with music of Dowland. They were intrigued by the music, and wanted to learn more about Dowland. Ed Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Luthiste, etc Estavel Ensemble de musique ancienne www.estavel.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.24/741 - Release Date: 3/31/2007 8:54 PM Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne
Equally spaced ie not graduated in any kind of Pythagorean construct ? Give a cute little girl who is having to rearrange the string spacing to accomodate her little hand an instrument with an abnormally long fingerboard with ungraduated fret spacing... it's a prop. I rest my case ladies and gentlemen. She's still cute. Dale - Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]; peter rauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Dale Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 10:30 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne There is a 14 fret Schelle in Budapest. RT - Original Message - From: Dale Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]; peter rauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 12:24 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne Okay, If you're going to make the reach easier, one would have the string spacing compressed toward the hand edge of the fingerboard not away from it. Just me? Thirteen equally spaced frets on the neck, abnormal, at least for 18th century west central european terrestrial lute.(don't want to step on anyone's toes here. Might be the thing for air lute) Dale - Original Message - From: peter rauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Dale Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:38 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne Dear List, I think on the painting there is a real lute played by the beautiful lady. I think the reason for the strange stringing is that the sattle and the distance between the strings was changed to fit the smaller fingers of a young lady. do you think the red color of the bass strings is because they are wound with copper? I counted 13 frets - not unusual. regards from austria, peter - Original Message - From: Dale Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 6:22 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne As for accuracy, I think there are a couple too many frets for reality.Which makes the whole lute thing look more like a prop. She sure is cute. Too bad, she's probably dead by now. Dale - Original Message - From: Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne I like her right hand. It looks very relaxed. The pinky is outside the bridge and I bet she would have slid the whole hand gracefully upwards when she needed to reach the lowest sounding courses, keeping the little finger outside and parallel to the bridge the whole time. I'm sure she could play and remain pretty and dignified alla Mary Burwel. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne
And a 13 or 14 fret neck on a coversion by Widhalm of a lute by Cocho now in Germanisches Nationalmuseum, Nuernberg, MI 55. David At 11:30 -0400 1/4/07, Roman Turovsky wrote: There is a 14 fret Schelle in Budapest. RT - Original Message - From: Dale Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]; peter rauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 12:24 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne Okay, If you're going to make the reach easier, one would have the string spacing compressed toward the hand edge of the fingerboard not away from it. Just me? Thirteen equally spaced frets on the neck, abnormal, at least for 18th century west central european terrestrial lute.(don't want to step on anyone's toes here. Might be the thing for air lute) Dale -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne
I think Dale's right, it IS a prop, but still interesting as an instrument, that is it probably is not a fake in the Franciolini sense. Though I do now agree that, given the fret spacings, we probably can't be certain the the bridge spacings show a double top course and 12 courses rather than singel top and second and 13 courses. The red basses remain as evidence though. David At 12:49 -0500 4/3/07, Dale Young wrote: Equally spaced ie not graduated in any kind of Pythagorean construct ? Give a cute little girl who is having to rearrange the string spacing to accomodate her little hand an instrument with an abnormally long fingerboard with ungraduated fret spacing... it's a prop. I rest my case ladies and gentlemen. She's still cute. Dale - Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]; peter rauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Dale Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 10:30 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne There is a 14 fret Schelle in Budapest. RT - Original Message - From: Dale Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]; peter rauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 12:24 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne Okay, If you're going to make the reach easier, one would have the string spacing compressed toward the hand edge of the fingerboard not away from it. Just me? Thirteen equally spaced frets on the neck, abnormal, at least for 18th century west central european terrestrial lute.(don't want to step on anyone's toes here. Might be the thing for air lute) Dale - Original Message - From: peter rauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Dale Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:38 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne Dear List, I think on the painting there is a real lute played by the beautiful lady. I think the reason for the strange stringing is that the sattle and the distance between the strings was changed to fit the smaller fingers of a young lady. do you think the red color of the bass strings is because they are wound with copper? I counted 13 frets - not unusual. regards from austria, peter - Original Message - From: Dale Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 6:22 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne As for accuracy, I think there are a couple too many frets for reality.Which makes the whole lute thing look more like a prop. She sure is cute. Too bad, she's probably dead by now. Dale - Original Message - From: Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne I like her right hand. It looks very relaxed. The pinky is outside the bridge and I bet she would have slid the whole hand gracefully upwards when she needed to reach the lowest sounding courses, keeping the little finger outside and parallel to the bridge the whole time. I'm sure she could play and remain pretty and dignified alla Mary Burwel. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne
I am not 100% convinced. Mme Keyserlinck was not a run-of-the-mill cutie, but a noted virtuosa. RT - Original Message - From: David Van Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dale Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]; peter rauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:06 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne I think Dale's right, it IS a prop, but still interesting as an instrument, that is it probably is not a fake in the Franciolini sense. Though I do now agree that, given the fret spacings, we probably can't be certain the the bridge spacings show a double top course and 12 courses rather than singel top and second and 13 courses. The red basses remain as evidence though. David At 12:49 -0500 4/3/07, Dale Young wrote: Equally spaced ie not graduated in any kind of Pythagorean construct ? Give a cute little girl who is having to rearrange the string spacing to accomodate her little hand an instrument with an abnormally long fingerboard with ungraduated fret spacing... it's a prop. I rest my case ladies and gentlemen. She's still cute. Dale - Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]; peter rauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Dale Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 10:30 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne There is a 14 fret Schelle in Budapest. RT - Original Message - From: Dale Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]; peter rauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 12:24 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne Okay, If you're going to make the reach easier, one would have the string spacing compressed toward the hand edge of the fingerboard not away from it. Just me? Thirteen equally spaced frets on the neck, abnormal, at least for 18th century west central european terrestrial lute.(don't want to step on anyone's toes here. Might be the thing for air lute) Dale - Original Message - From: peter rauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Dale Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:38 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne Dear List, I think on the painting there is a real lute played by the beautiful lady. I think the reason for the strange stringing is that the sattle and the distance between the strings was changed to fit the smaller fingers of a young lady. do you think the red color of the bass strings is because they are wound with copper? I counted 13 frets - not unusual. regards from austria, peter - Original Message - From: Dale Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 6:22 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne As for accuracy, I think there are a couple too many frets for reality.Which makes the whole lute thing look more like a prop. She sure is cute. Too bad, she's probably dead by now. Dale - Original Message - From: Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne I like her right hand. It looks very relaxed. The pinky is outside the bridge and I bet she would have slid the whole hand gracefully upwards when she needed to reach the lowest sounding courses, keeping the little finger outside and parallel to the bridge the whole time. I'm sure she could play and remain pretty and dignified alla Mary Burwel. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk
[LUTE] Re: django unavailable
Hi Manolo, and lutenists, I am in the process of rebuilding all my WEB pages. The registered pages have been available again for a few days, but I still have to rebuild the public pages, including the Dowland Folger project and the lutenists database. It is a lot of work and completing the project will take time. However, I think that the new interface is vastly superior to the old one, with database indexing, support for various types of documents, and other handy features, so it may be worth the wait :) Alain Manolo Laguillo wrote: Dear friends, I'm trying to load the Django page (electric lute forgery), but nothing happens... Are you encountering the same problem? Manolo Laguillo -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne
Maybe the painter was messing with us Or he originally did two identical paintings only one of them had some errors we were supposed to spot. And the correct painting is hidden in an attic in Dusseldorf...Yeah that's it! Anyhow, Roman, You have a really cool picture on your video site of a lautespieler (13 course/rider/reflex pegbox) with a great hat and coat. Can I get a larger format download of that? Dale - Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: BAROQUE-LUTE baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 12:15 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne I am not 100% convinced. Mme Keyserlinck was not a run-of-the-mill cutie, but a noted virtuosa. RT - Original Message - From: David Van Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dale Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]; peter rauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:06 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne I think Dale's right, it IS a prop, but still interesting as an instrument, that is it probably is not a fake in the Franciolini sense. Though I do now agree that, given the fret spacings, we probably can't be certain the the bridge spacings show a double top course and 12 courses rather than singel top and second and 13 courses. The red basses remain as evidence though. David At 12:49 -0500 4/3/07, Dale Young wrote: Equally spaced ie not graduated in any kind of Pythagorean construct ? Give a cute little girl who is having to rearrange the string spacing to accomodate her little hand an instrument with an abnormally long fingerboard with ungraduated fret spacing... it's a prop. I rest my case ladies and gentlemen. She's still cute. Dale - Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]; peter rauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Dale Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 10:30 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne There is a 14 fret Schelle in Budapest. RT - Original Message - From: Dale Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]; peter rauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 12:24 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne Okay, If you're going to make the reach easier, one would have the string spacing compressed toward the hand edge of the fingerboard not away from it. Just me? Thirteen equally spaced frets on the neck, abnormal, at least for 18th century west central european terrestrial lute.(don't want to step on anyone's toes here. Might be the thing for air lute) Dale - Original Message - From: peter rauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Dale Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:38 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne Dear List, I think on the painting there is a real lute played by the beautiful lady. I think the reason for the strange stringing is that the sattle and the distance between the strings was changed to fit the smaller fingers of a young lady. do you think the red color of the bass strings is because they are wound with copper? I counted 13 frets - not unusual. regards from austria, peter - Original Message - From: Dale Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 6:22 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne As for accuracy, I think there are a couple too many frets for reality.Which makes the whole lute thing look more like a prop. She sure is cute. Too bad, she's probably dead by now. Dale - Original Message - From: Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne I like her right hand. It looks very relaxed. The pinky is outside the bridge and I bet she would have slid the whole hand gracefully upwards when she needed to reach the lowest sounding courses, keeping the little finger outside and parallel to the bridge the whole time. I'm sure she could play and remain pretty and dignified alla Mary Burwel. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne
If you meant http://masaccio.livejournal.com then go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:1711kupetzky.jpg RT - Original Message - From: Dale Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: BAROQUE-LUTE baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 3:17 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne Maybe the painter was messing with us Or he originally did two identical paintings only one of them had some errors we were supposed to spot. And the correct painting is hidden in an attic in Dusseldorf...Yeah that's it! Anyhow, Roman, You have a really cool picture on your video site of a lautespieler (13 course/rider/reflex pegbox) with a great hat and coat. Can I get a larger format download of that? Dale - Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: BAROQUE-LUTE baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 12:15 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne I am not 100% convinced. Mme Keyserlinck was not a run-of-the-mill cutie, but a noted virtuosa. RT - Original Message - From: David Van Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dale Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]; peter rauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:06 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne I think Dale's right, it IS a prop, but still interesting as an instrument, that is it probably is not a fake in the Franciolini sense. Though I do now agree that, given the fret spacings, we probably can't be certain the the bridge spacings show a double top course and 12 courses rather than singel top and second and 13 courses. The red basses remain as evidence though. David At 12:49 -0500 4/3/07, Dale Young wrote: Equally spaced ie not graduated in any kind of Pythagorean construct ? Give a cute little girl who is having to rearrange the string spacing to accomodate her little hand an instrument with an abnormally long fingerboard with ungraduated fret spacing... it's a prop. I rest my case ladies and gentlemen. She's still cute. Dale - Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]; peter rauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Dale Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 10:30 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne There is a 14 fret Schelle in Budapest. RT - Original Message - From: Dale Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]; peter rauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 12:24 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne Okay, If you're going to make the reach easier, one would have the string spacing compressed toward the hand edge of the fingerboard not away from it. Just me? Thirteen equally spaced frets on the neck, abnormal, at least for 18th century west central european terrestrial lute.(don't want to step on anyone's toes here. Might be the thing for air lute) Dale - Original Message - From: peter rauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Dale Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:38 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne Dear List, I think on the painting there is a real lute played by the beautiful lady. I think the reason for the strange stringing is that the sattle and the distance between the strings was changed to fit the smaller fingers of a young lady. do you think the red color of the bass strings is because they are wound with copper? I counted 13 frets - not unusual. regards from austria, peter - Original Message - From: Dale Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 6:22 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne As for accuracy, I think there are a couple too many frets for reality.Which makes the whole lute thing look more like a prop. She sure is cute. Too bad, she's probably dead by now. Dale - Original Message - From: Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: baroque lute list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pesne I like her right hand. It looks very relaxed. The pinky is outside the bridge and I bet she would have slid the whole hand gracefully upwards when she needed to reach the lowest sounding courses, keeping the little finger outside and parallel to the bridge the whole time. I'm sure she could play and remain pretty and dignified alla Mary Burwel. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell
[LUTE] Re: Stung Again
It will be a modern dance, with music of Dowland. To what degree are the historical dances preserved? For example, if the ballet company wanted to stage an authentic reproduction, what resources would be available? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Tripping the light fantastic : Was : Stung Again
Start hunting:- http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/del/ http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/dihtml/divideos.html#vc029 http://www.renaissance-amboise.com/dossier_renaissance/ses_arts/musique_renaissance/les_danses_de_la_renaissance.php - Original Message - From: Herbert Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 8:39 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Stung Again It will be a modern dance, with music of Dowland. To what degree are the historical dances preserved? For example, if the ballet company wanted to stage an authentic reproduction, what resources would be available? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Stung Again
I think that the dances will not preserve aspects of the authentic dance. ed At 01:39 PM 4/1/2007 -0500, Herbert Ward wrote: It will be a modern dance, with music of Dowland. To what degree are the historical dances preserved? For example, if the ballet company wanted to stage an authentic reproduction, what resources would be available? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.24/741 - Release Date: 3/31/2007 8:54 PM Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202
[LUTE] Re: Luthiers in Los Angeles area.
Before I get any more remonstrating or commiserating messages from listers who have apparently not heard of the Dixie Chicks or George W. Bush, let me emphasize that the message below was what's known in internet lingo as a joke. It contains only two facts: 1) I left the LSA Board last year, on amicable terms with everyone (as far as I can tell from our communications, which were mostly email); and 2) LSA president Dick Hoban does, indeed, live in Texas. The Dixie Chicks, on the other hand, have all moved to California, where rumor has it they're learning Italian so they can record an album of Luzzasco Luzzaschi's music composed for the Three Ladies of Ferrara. On Sunday, Apr 1, 2007, at 08:27 America/Los_Angeles, Howard Posner wrote: I just wanted to remark that I haven't been on the LSA Board of Directors for a while now. As most of you know, I was hounded off the Board after I made a remark during an overseas concert that We're ashamed that the president of the LSA is from Texas. It got ugly after that, what with the lute community being as reactionary as it is: CD burnings, snubbings at major awards ceremonies, hate letters telling me to shut up and intabulate. I'm particularly miffed that Sting said not a word in my defense. But I'm ready to make nice. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Stung Again
Around Dowland's time there were at least three major treatises on dance: Coroso, Negri, Arbeau, the first two written in lute tab with mensural notation for melodies and often bass lines. They explain how to do the steps and lay out whole dances set to specific music. The dances and steps are open to interpretation in the same way that musicians have different opinions on tempos, ornaments etc. You could probably find much information about it through Google. cheers, On Apr 2, 2007, at 3:39 AM, Herbert Ward wrote: To what degree are the historical dances preserved? Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Stung Again
All three )Arbeau, Caroso and Negri) are available on-line from the Library of Congress: http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/dihtml/diessay2.html And for Caroso there is Julia Sutton's translation and edition, _Courtly Dance of the Renassnce_ (Dover, 1995), with labanotation for the dance steps.. Some dance steps are shown on video from the LofC: http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/dihtml/divideos.html You, too, can learn how to dance a pavane and galliard, or a quadrille and Schottische ==ajn - Original Message - From: Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Herbert Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED]; LuteNet list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 3:20 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Stung Again Around Dowland's time there were at least three major treatises on dance: Coroso, Negri, Arbeau, the first two written in lute tab with mensural notation for melodies and often bass lines. They explain how to do the steps and lay out whole dances set to specific music. The dances and steps are open to interpretation in the same way that musicians have different opinions on tempos, ornaments etc. You could probably find much information about it through Google. cheers, On Apr 2, 2007, at 3:39 AM, Herbert Ward wrote: To what degree are the historical dances preserved? Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
