[LUTE] Re: de visee & kellner
--- "Mathias Rösel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Notwithstanding everybody's personal preferences, I > especially disliked > Lislevand's stopping of basses so as to stress the > notes. Not my preference, either. Hoppy Smith does this sort of thing all over his de Visee album and it seems like lots of folks really enjoy that recording. Sounds too disruptive to me, but I love the album anyway. > Had he chosen gut bass strings > and additionally put > his right hand closer to the bridge, I don't agree about the gut strings, but I will agree with you on the right hand position. (I think most players could move toward the bridge.) This is hard to do on such a large instrument as he's using, however. Funny, though, far from finding the basses "thundering" as you described in a previous post, his sound was a bit too gentle for my taste. On the other hand, I don't think it would have sounded the same way to a listener in the room (as opposed to the mic being right in front of him). > I wouldn't > hesitate to declare him > the winner >:) Don't know - there were things I liked about both. Lislevand approached the piece as a straight-ahead dance while the other performance was more rhapsodic. Both are worthy, but I really like to hear it somewhere between the two. Fortunately, neither one was competing on "Lute-God Idol." Chris > Mathias > > > > > > --- "Mathias Rösel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > "Davide Bioccoli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > > > Hi to all... > > > > Here's a nice (but short) link to Lislevand > > > playing De Visée: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhKuL75sLfQ > > > > > > If Rafael Bonavita > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6UKk5shfIA&mode=related&search= > > > had used > > > Lislevand's stringing instead of those awefully > > > roaring wound bass > > > strings, not only his interpretation but also > his > > > performance would have > > > been superior, IMO. > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[LUTE] Re: de visee & kellner
> Mathias, Bonavita also stop the basses at the same place Lislevand does. They are both great... "Notwithstanding everybody's personal preferences, I especially disliked > Lislevand's stopping of basses so as to stress the notes. Anyway, his > playing is at times very guitaristic, in this video (okay, one might > want to discuss Bonavita's strumming, also)." > > "What I enjoyed in Bonavita's interpretation were the notes inegales, his > tastefully ornamenting almost every note and his raising of passion in > the last sections. Agree. "Had he chosen gut bass strings and additionally put > his right hand closer to the bridge, I wouldn't hesitate to declare him > the winner >:)" This is not a competition I hope... -- > Mathias > > > > > > --- "Mathias R=F6sel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > "Davide Bioccoli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > > > Hi to all... > > > > Here's a nice (but short) link to Lislevand > > > playing De Visee: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhKuL75sLfQ > > > > > > If Rafael Bonavita > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6UKk5shfIA&mode=related&search> > > had used > > > Lislevand's stringing instead of those awefully > > > roaring wound bass > > > strings, not only his interpretation but also his > > > performance would have > > > been superior, IMO. > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > --
[LUTE] Re: de visee & kellner
On Apr 21, 2007, at 11:37 AM, Mathias R=F6sel wrote: > ...I especially disliked > Lislevand's stopping of basses so as to stress the notes. Anyway, his > playing is at times very guitaristic The stopping of the basses is something I tend to associate with pianists when they play Baroque music (whatever "Baroque technique" may be on a piano, I imagine the less said the better), but I found it startling on the theorbo because I didn't expect it. I didn't particularly think RL's playing was guitaristic, except perhaps in his interpretation. In fact, I was thinking his right-hand was almost thumb-under. David Rastall [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.rastallmusic.com -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: de visee & kellner
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > I thought both Lislevand's and Bonavitas' > performances were nice. Notwithstanding everybody's personal preferences, I especially disliked Lislevand's stopping of basses so as to stress the notes. Anyway, his playing is at times very guitaristic, in this video (okay, one might want to discuss Bonavita's strumming, also). What I enjoyed in Bonavita's interpretation were the notes inegales, his tastefully ornamenting almost every note and his raising of passion in the last sections. Had he chosen gut bass strings and additionally put his right hand closer to the bridge, I wouldn't hesitate to declare him the winner >:) -- Mathias > > --- "Mathias Rösel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > "Davide Bioccoli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > > Hi to all... > > > Here's a nice (but short) link to Lislevand > > playing De Visée: > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhKuL75sLfQ > > > > If Rafael Bonavita > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6UKk5shfIA&mode=related&search= > > had used > > Lislevand's stringing instead of those awefully > > roaring wound bass > > strings, not only his interpretation but also his > > performance would have > > been superior, IMO. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: angelique
Dear Collecrive Roman and Wisdom,
I took a look at the descrption of all the angelique
tablatures in Bottticher's RISM Bvii, 7 items total.
The only tuning that he spells out is the one equivalent
to a diatonic scale from C to e'. He gives it (or
indicates it is present) in the titles marked with an
asterisk. (But that doesn't mean much, since Boetticher
cannot be trusted for anything!!)
Oxford, Ms Mus 1187 (James Talbot's MS) gives runings
for "Angelique or Angel Lute."
*Brno, Ms Inv 40811/A 3529
*Mainz (Federhofer): "Blouin a Rome")
*Paris, Vm7 6212
*Schwerin, Mus 640
Berlin/Cracow, Mus Ms 40597 ("Mandora- [Angelique-]
Tab.")
So that's it. Rather disappointing, I must say. I'd
give Talbot's manuscruipt a look. By the way, RISM
publishes a little index to Boetticger's volume. It is
very handy and was compiled by Christian Meyer. If you
own Boetticher's book, you should have the Meyer index
to it. You really need an index to what Boetticher
put together. Fortunately the needs that were to be
fulfilled with Boetticher are now being met be Meyer,
Kiraly, Goy, Crawford et al. But because Boetticher was
to bring out the definitive bibliography of lute music,
no
one else worked on it for the 35 years he had it "in
progress."
- Original Message -
From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "BAROQUE-LUTE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 3:29 PM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] angelique
> Dear Collective Wisdom and Arthur,
> I was told today that there is one angelique source in
> RISM that mentions a
> tuning that corresponds exactly to the one Burguete
> had developed for
> Bach:(FDAFDCBAGFEDCBA)
> Anyone with access to RISM to corroborate it?
> RT
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[LUTE] Re: de visee & kellner
Mathias, I thought both Lislevand's and Bonavitas' performances were nice. Chris --- "Mathias Rösel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Davide Bioccoli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > Hi to all... > > Here's a nice (but short) link to Lislevand > playing De Visée: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhKuL75sLfQ > > If Rafael Bonavita > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6UKk5shfIA&mode=related&search= > had used > Lislevand's stringing instead of those awefully > roaring wound bass > strings, not only his interpretation but also his > performance would have > been superior, IMO. > -- > Mathias > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[LUTE] Re: de visee & kellner
"Davide Bioccoli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > Hi to all... > Here's a nice (but short) link to Lislevand playing De Visée: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhKuL75sLfQ If Rafael Bonavita http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6UKk5shfIA&mode=related&search= had used Lislevand's stringing instead of those awefully roaring wound bass strings, not only his interpretation but also his performance would have been superior, IMO. -- Mathias To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
