[LUTE] Re: le Tocsein de Gautier
Damian "Sonner le tocsin", meant roughly "to ring a peal of warning bells ", but could also mean the bell used for such a warning. This would have come from earlier "touquesain" from Provencal "tocaseneh". It seems that "tocar" (or toquer), distantly related to "touch", comes from Latin "toccāre" make a sound like "toc". http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O27-touch.html and "senh" could be derived from Latin "signum" a sign - a signal, giving ancient French "seing", later "sein", and which took on the meaning of "bell". My source is the historic dictionary of the French language, le Robert, but etymology of a single expression, even backed-up by such a dictionary is rarely safe. Around 1570 and for a certain period, the expression apparently took on a metaphoric meaning (Bossuet) to allert public oppinion. Best wishes Anthony Le 28 déc. 08 à 02:51, damian dlugolecki a écrit : You are quite right David. I just looked up 'tocsin' in my OED where the earliest usage in English is in 1598. I just assumed it was an earlier spelling of 'toxin' which led me to my incorrect interpretation. Never encountered the word 'tocsin' with that meaning. The OED reads, "an alarm signal, sounded by ringing a bell or bells; used orig. and esp. in reference to France." Thanks for clearing that up. Damian Subject: [LUTE] Re: le Tocsein de Gautier I might have missed something here, getting into the discussion late (I rejoined today---hellew everyone), but doesn't the English word "tocsin" refer to the pealing of a bell? I always thought "tocsin" came from an old form of French. Could some form of the word have existed in French in the 17th century with a similar meaning? Used perhaps in similar sense to Vallet's piece depicting bells in a village church. Davidr dlu...@verizon.net On Dec 27, 2008, at 7:48 PM, damian dlugolecki wrote: At the moment this is only a guess, but I believe the 'tocsin' of Mouton and that of D. Gautier have something to do with disease. The word 'toxin' only come into the English language during the 19th century. My OED defines it originally as "A specific poison...produced by a microbe which causes a particular disease.' By this perhaps we can infer that this was closer to the original French meaning than to our current understanding of the word 'toxin' as some kinde of poison. There were many diseases like typhus, smallpox, cholera etc. that wiped out large numbers of people. I need to find a French dictionary like my OED. My Larousse does not have historical meanings or etymologies. In any case, the pieces by Gautier and Mouton are very similar, and it seems to me that the Mouton piece is transposition to f#m of D. Gautier's piece in e minor. The repeated low 'B' has a funerary feeling to me anyway and it appears throughout Mouton's piece as a low C#. But even though it is possible these 'tocsins' were about disease, they are gigues and should be played at faster tempos. Played in the salons of Paris during recurrences of 'la Peste' they were perhaps demonstrations of musical 'black humor.' -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: le Tocsein de Gautier
damian dlugolecki wrote: G. Crona was kind enough to send a .jpg of the piece. At the moment this is only a guess, but I believe the 'tocsin' of Mouton and that of D. Gautier have something to do with disease. The word 'toxin' only come into the English language during the 19th century. My OED defines it originally as "A specific poison...produced by a microbe which causes a particular disease.' By this perhaps we can infer that this was closer to the original French meaning than to our current understanding of the word 'toxin' as some kinde of poison. There were many diseases like typhus, smallpox, cholera etc. that wiped out large numbers of people. I need to find a French dictionary like my OED. My Larousse does not have historical meanings or etymologies. In any case, the pieces by Gautier and Mouton are very similar, and it seems to me that the Mouton piece is transposition to f#m of D. Gautier's piece in e minor. The repeated low 'B' has a funerary feeling to me anyway and it appears throughout Mouton's piece as a low C#. But even though it is possible these 'tocsins' were about disease, they are gigues and should be played at faster tempos. Played in the salons of Paris during recurrences of 'la Peste' they were perhaps demonstrations of musical 'black humor.' Damian The Livre de Tablature p.86-87 Goëss Théorbe 170-171 Are there general rules of performance for a French gigue in even metre like this one? I heard recordings of gigues by Froberger for the harpsichord (can't remember the performer) which were played extremely inegale, as though inegality was the major trait of gigues. Does the title (euqivalent to tocsin in modern French and English, I assume) indicate fast tempo? -- Mathias To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Tocsin is an alarm sounded by a bell f rom the Old French touquesain charles
[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: What to build.
What an enjoyable thread, I will read the rest of it tomorrow to avoid being up until midnight Hawaiian time zone. But I must insert a comment on historical construction. I think I'll make a Greek lyre tomorrow, in my spare time. The tetrachord (and the name of the instrument escapes me) was truely that - a tonic and a perfect fourth (or fifth, depending on whether you start at the top or the bottom), and a couple of undefined intervals in between (actually there are definitions, but they are regional and ethnic). Mankind did evolve his skills, and depending on whether you are biblical or Darwinian it took either many millenia or a few. Music is one of them. Our western music is relatively unique in its evolution, our scales are basically modifications of the Greek, and our tuning temperaments are to a great extent caused by the desire for multi-voices in the Church. The oriental scales are quite different (and I use orient in the old sense that it include everything "east of Eden"). We can make a good guess that the virtuosos of olden days might have sounded a bit amateurish today, the materials and construction have improved - but that is not to knock them, simplicity has a beauty of its own. The lute is a development on the Arabic "oud", as brought into Europe by either travelers or Moorish invaders (and probably both). The oud, and the early lute, was played with a pick (ok, plectrum is the proper term) and therefore a melody instrument as the tuning isn't amenable to a broad strum - and certainly not in the Arabic scale. So far as I'm concerned the music should advance, while also keeping the traditions of sound alive (as best we can judge them). I have a collection of medieval dance tunes I play on harp and psaltery, I know I'm not in their tuning as I tune to equal temperament. We should certainly explore the sounds of old, as best we can approximate them - but we should not worship at the temple of historic sound. When I first heard the Swingle Singers doing Bach's Brandenburgs in scat my reaction was that Bach would have loved it. He had a touch of the jazz musician in him in his use of variations around a fixed theme. As one whose primary instrument is voice I have tried to transcribe early notation of the monastic chants, but am also aware that the "Gregorian chants" were notated nearly a thousand years after the Pope's death. It is all interpretation with a bit of "by guess and by golly". Notation was a late comer into the passing on of music (although there actually is some Greek notation from around 500 BC, but even that is as interpreted). Best, Jon To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: le Tocsein de Gautier
Hi all, My old dictionary gives this meaning... Tocsin: (tok-sin) [M.F. toquesing (O.F. toquer, to TOUCH, sing, SIGNAL)], n. An alarm-bell; the ringing of an alarm-bell, an alarm-signal. Church-bells have been used as an alarm in times past. Is this another possibility? Ron (UK) -Original Message- From: David Rastall [mailto:dlu...@verizon.net] Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 1:15 AM To: damian dlugolecki Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: le Tocsein de Gautier I might have missed something here, getting into the discussion late (I rejoined today---hellew everyone), but doesn't the English word "tocsin" refer to the pealing of a bell? I always thought "tocsin" came from an old form of French. Could some form of the word have existed in French in the 17th century with a similar meaning? Used perhaps in similar sense to Vallet's piece depicting bells in a village church. Davidr dlu...@verizon.net To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: le Tocsein de Gautier
Tocxin is tocsin in both French and English, an alarm bell which is musically depicted by the repeated bass notes. My former question was concerned with tempo. If it is agreed that alarm bells would usually be chimed as loud and fast as possible in case of emergency, was the gigue which bears that name supposed to be played that way, too? It's a sequel, so to say, of a short discussion that we had in December 2003 (Re: binary and ternary GIGUES). Mathias "Anthony Hind" schrieb: > Damian > "Sonner le tocsin", meant roughly "to ring a peal of warning > bells ", but could also mean the bell used for such a warning. This > would have come from earlier "touquesain" from Provencal "tocaseneh". > It seems that "tocar" (or toquer), distantly related to "touch", > comes from Latin "toccre" make a sound like "toc". > http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O27-touch.html > and "senh" could be derived from Latin "signum" a sign - a signal, > giving ancient French "seing", later "sein", and which took on the > meaning of "bell". > > My source is the historic dictionary of the French language, le > Robert, but etymology of a single expression, even backed-up by such > a dictionary is rarely safe. > Around 1570 and for a certain period, the expression apparently took > on a metaphoric meaning (Bossuet) to allert public oppinion. > Best wishes > Anthony > > > Le 28 déc. 08 à 02:51, damian dlugolecki a écrit : > > > You are quite right David. I just looked up 'tocsin' in my OED > > where the earliest usage in English is in 1598. I just assumed it > > was an earlier spelling of 'toxin' which led me to my incorrect > > interpretation. Never encountered the word 'tocsin' with that > > meaning. The OED reads, "an alarm signal, sounded by ringing a > > bell or bells; used orig. and esp. in reference to France." > > > > Thanks for clearing that up. > > > > Damian > > > > > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: le Tocsein de Gautier > > > > > >> I might have missed something here, getting into the discussion late > >> (I rejoined today---hellew everyone), but doesn't the English word > >> "tocsin" refer to the pealing of a bell? I always thought "tocsin" > >> came from an old form of French. Could some form of the word have > >> existed in French in the 17th century with a similar meaning? Used > >> perhaps in similar sense to Vallet's piece depicting bells in a > >> village church. > >> > >> Davidr > >> dlu...@verizon.net > >> > >> > >> > >> On Dec 27, 2008, at 7:48 PM, damian dlugolecki wrote: > >> > >>> At the moment this is only a guess, but I believe the 'tocsin' of > >>> Mouton and that of D. Gautier have something to do with disease. > >>> The word 'toxin' only come into the English language during the > >>> 19th century. My OED defines it originally as > >>> "A specific poison...produced by a microbe which causes a > >>> particular disease.' By this perhaps we can infer that this > >>> was closer to the original French meaning than to our current > >>> understanding of the word 'toxin' as some kinde of poison. There > >>> were many diseases like typhus, smallpox, cholera etc. that wiped > >>> out large numbers of > >>> people. I need to find a French dictionary like my OED. My > >>> Larousse does not have historical meanings or etymologies. > >>> > >>> In any case, the pieces by Gautier and Mouton are very similar, > >>> and it seems to me that the Mouton piece is transposition to f#m > >>> of D. Gautier's piece in e minor. The repeated low 'B' has a > >>> funerary feeling to me anyway and it appears throughout Mouton's > >>> piece as a low C#. But even though it is possible these 'tocsins' > >>> were about disease, they are gigues and should be played at faster > >>> tempos. Played in the salons of Paris during recurrences of 'la > >>> Peste' they were perhaps demonstrations of musical 'black humor.' To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: le Tocsein de Gautier
I would imagine it could be binary. Anthony Le 28 déc. 08 à 13:56, Mathias Rösel a écrit : Tocxin is tocsin in both French and English, an alarm bell which is musically depicted by the repeated bass notes. My former question was concerned with tempo. If it is agreed that alarm bells would usually be chimed as loud and fast as possible in case of emergency, was the gigue which bears that name supposed to be played that way, too? It's a sequel, so to say, of a short discussion that we had in December 2003 (Re: binary and ternary GIGUES). Mathias "Anthony Hind" schrieb: Damian "Sonner le tocsin", meant roughly "to ring a peal of warning bells ", but could also mean the bell used for such a warning. This would have come from earlier "touquesain" from Provencal "tocaseneh". It seems that "tocar" (or toquer), distantly related to "touch", comes from Latin "toccre" make a sound like "toc". http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O27-touch.html and "senh" could be derived from Latin "signum" a sign - a signal, giving ancient French "seing", later "sein", and which took on the meaning of "bell". My source is the historic dictionary of the French language, le Robert, but etymology of a single expression, even backed-up by such a dictionary is rarely safe. Around 1570 and for a certain period, the expression apparently took on a metaphoric meaning (Bossuet) to allert public oppinion. Best wishes Anthony Le 28 déc. 08 à 02:51, damian dlugolecki a écrit : You are quite right David. I just looked up 'tocsin' in my OED where the earliest usage in English is in 1598. I just assumed it was an earlier spelling of 'toxin' which led me to my incorrect interpretation. Never encountered the word 'tocsin' with that meaning. The OED reads, "an alarm signal, sounded by ringing a bell or bells; used orig. and esp. in reference to France." Thanks for clearing that up. Damian Subject: [LUTE] Re: le Tocsein de Gautier I might have missed something here, getting into the discussion late (I rejoined today---hellew everyone), but doesn't the English word "tocsin" refer to the pealing of a bell? I always thought "tocsin" came from an old form of French. Could some form of the word have existed in French in the 17th century with a similar meaning? Used perhaps in similar sense to Vallet's piece depicting bells in a village church. Davidr dlu...@verizon.net On Dec 27, 2008, at 7:48 PM, damian dlugolecki wrote: At the moment this is only a guess, but I believe the 'tocsin' of Mouton and that of D. Gautier have something to do with disease. The word 'toxin' only come into the English language during the 19th century. My OED defines it originally as "A specific poison...produced by a microbe which causes a particular disease.' By this perhaps we can infer that this was closer to the original French meaning than to our current understanding of the word 'toxin' as some kinde of poison. There were many diseases like typhus, smallpox, cholera etc. that wiped out large numbers of people. I need to find a French dictionary like my OED. My Larousse does not have historical meanings or etymologies. In any case, the pieces by Gautier and Mouton are very similar, and it seems to me that the Mouton piece is transposition to f#m of D. Gautier's piece in e minor. The repeated low 'B' has a funerary feeling to me anyway and it appears throughout Mouton's piece as a low C#. But even though it is possible these 'tocsins' were about disease, they are gigues and should be played at faster tempos. Played in the salons of Paris during recurrences of 'la Peste' they were perhaps demonstrations of musical 'black humor.' To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: le Tocsein de Gautier
> I would imagine it could be binary. Both Tocxin by Denis Gaultier and Toxin by Charles Mouton are gigues in 4/4 metre. I'd go so far as to say that there's a relationship discernible between the pieces of master and student in that both gigues have a very similar opening motif and both share the same rhythmic pattern in each measure of their respective second halves, i. e. with the bass note off-beat on 2nd half of 1st beat. That repeated bass note even being a 4 in both pieces (notwithstanding that it means B with Gaultier, C sharp with Mouton). With what I heard with Froberger gigues transferred to these 4/4 gigues, you would play them extremely inegale, IOW amounts of crotchets as sharpened ternary units. Gaultier seems to indicate that way of playing by stating rhythm more precisely in each one but last measure of both halves of his gigue. Still, would you perform Tocsin "as loud and fast as possible", i. e. raising connotations of alarm? Mouton seems to indicate something of that kind by using means of chromatic escalation at the conclusions of the 1st half. Mathias > > Tocxin is tocsin in both French and English, an alarm bell which is > > musically depicted by the repeated bass notes. > > > > My former question was concerned with tempo. If it is agreed that > > alarm > > bells would usually be chimed as loud and fast as possible in case of > > emergency, was the gigue which bears that name supposed to be played > > that way, too? > > It's a sequel, so to say, of a short discussion that we had in > > December > > 2003 (Re: binary and ternary GIGUES). > > > > Mathias > > > > > > "Anthony Hind" schrieb: > >> Damian > >> "Sonner le tocsin", meant roughly "to ring a peal of warning > >> bells ", but could also mean the bell used for such a warning. This > >> would have come from earlier "touquesain" from Provencal "tocaseneh". > >> It seems that "tocar" (or toquer), distantly related to "touch", > >> comes from Latin "toccre" make a sound like "toc". > >> http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O27-touch.html > >> and "senh" could be derived from Latin "signum" a sign - a signal, > >> giving ancient French "seing", later "sein", and which took on the > >> meaning of "bell". > >> > >> My source is the historic dictionary of the French language, le > >> Robert, but etymology of a single expression, even backed-up by such > >> a dictionary is rarely safe. > >> Around 1570 and for a certain period, the expression apparently took > >> on a metaphoric meaning (Bossuet) to allert public oppinion. > >> Best wishes > >> Anthony > >> > >> > >> Le 28 déc. 08 à 02:51, damian dlugolecki a écrit : > >> > >>> You are quite right David. I just looked up 'tocsin' in my OED > >>> where the earliest usage in English is in 1598. I just assumed it > >>> was an earlier spelling of 'toxin' which led me to my incorrect > >>> interpretation. Never encountered the word 'tocsin' with that > >>> meaning. The OED reads, "an alarm signal, sounded by ringing a > >>> bell or bells; used orig. and esp. in reference to France." > >>> > >>> Thanks for clearing that up. > >>> > >>> Damian > >>> > >>> > >>> Subject: [LUTE] Re: le Tocsein de Gautier > >>> > >>> > I might have missed something here, getting into the discussion > late > (I rejoined today---hellew everyone), but doesn't the English word > "tocsin" refer to the pealing of a bell? I always thought "tocsin" > came from an old form of French. Could some form of the word have > existed in French in the 17th century with a similar meaning? Used > perhaps in similar sense to Vallet's piece depicting bells in a > village church. > > Davidr > dlu...@verizon.net > > > > On Dec 27, 2008, at 7:48 PM, damian dlugolecki wrote: > > > At the moment this is only a guess, but I believe the 'tocsin' of > > Mouton and that of D. Gautier have something to do with disease. > > The word 'toxin' only come into the English language during the > > 19th century. My OED defines it originally as > > "A specific poison...produced by a microbe which causes a > > particular disease.' By this perhaps we can infer that this > > was closer to the original French meaning than to our current > > understanding of the word 'toxin' as some kinde of poison. There > > were many diseases like typhus, smallpox, cholera etc. that wiped > > out large numbers of > > people. I need to find a French dictionary like my OED. My > > Larousse does not have historical meanings or etymologies. > > > > In any case, the pieces by Gautier and Mouton are very similar, > > and it seems to me that the Mouton piece is transposition to f#m > > of D. Gautier's piece in e minor. The repeated low 'B' has a > > funerary feeling to me anyway and it appears throughout Mouton's > > piece as a low C#. But even though it is possible these > > 'tocsins' > > w
[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: What to build.
Jon, I've made two Greek lyres. The second one was better than the first. You can get turtle shells here: http:// www.skullsunlimited.com/. I recommend a snapping turtle shell; they're big enough to give you a large tympanum. The first lyre had rough branches for the arms; I ended up laminating 1/8 inch cherry over a form to make the arms on the second one, and that looked better. On the crosspiece, I used strips of leather over the wood to provide friction to tighten the strings, and little pieces of wood under the leathers to give you something to grasp to tighten the strings. If you look at details of lyres on Greek vases, they have something like that. And use goat hide for the tympanum; it's thinner and more supple than cow hide. Tandy Leather sells goat rawhide. I've been away from listservs for a while. When did you move to Hawaii? Tim On Dec 28, 2008, at 5:16 AM, Jon Murphy wrote: What an enjoyable thread, I will read the rest of it tomorrow to avoid being up until midnight Hawaiian time zone. But I must insert a comment on historical construction. I think I'll make a Greek lyre tomorrow, in my spare time. The tetrachord (and the name of the instrument escapes me) was truely that - a tonic and a perfect fourth (or fifth, depending on whether you start at the top or the bottom), and a couple of undefined intervals in between (actually there are definitions, but they are regional and ethnic). Mankind did evolve his skills, and depending on whether you are biblical or Darwinian it took either many millenia or a few. Music is one of them. Our western music is relatively unique in its evolution, our scales are basically modifications of the Greek, and our tuning temperaments are to a great extent caused by the desire for multi-voices in the Church. The oriental scales are quite different (and I use orient in the old sense that it include everything "east of Eden"). We can make a good guess that the virtuosos of olden days might have sounded a bit amateurish today, the materials and construction have improved - but that is not to knock them, simplicity has a beauty of its own. The lute is a development on the Arabic "oud", as brought into Europe by either travelers or Moorish invaders (and probably both). The oud, and the early lute, was played with a pick (ok, plectrum is the proper term) and therefore a melody instrument as the tuning isn't amenable to a broad strum - and certainly not in the Arabic scale. So far as I'm concerned the music should advance, while also keeping the traditions of sound alive (as best we can judge them). I have a collection of medieval dance tunes I play on harp and psaltery, I know I'm not in their tuning as I tune to equal temperament. We should certainly explore the sounds of old, as best we can approximate them - but we should not worship at the temple of historic sound. When I first heard the Swingle Singers doing Bach's Brandenburgs in scat my reaction was that Bach would have loved it. He had a touch of the jazz musician in him in his use of variations around a fixed theme. As one whose primary instrument is voice I have tried to transcribe early notation of the monastic chants, but am also aware that the "Gregorian chants" were notated nearly a thousand years after the Pope's death. It is all interpretation with a bit of "by guess and by golly". Notation was a late comer into the passing on of music (although there actually is some Greek notation from around 500 BC, but even that is as interpreted). Best, Jon To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Good 2009
To all crisis ridden vocal, flute and string players in the world, May you all (except Igor) master the coming year like he is doing in this video. With creativity, talent and not least, humor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAg5KjnAhuU Pling we Ron Andrico schrieb: To All: In the spirit of the holidays, and because we were snowbound for a few days last week, we have added a few videos to our youtube page. The videos were an experiment with no enhancements, and some are from a live concert in honor of St. Lucy's Day, and the rest from our snowy home. Happy holidays to all. http://www.youtube.com/user/lutesongs Ron Andrico & Donna Stewart www.mignarda.com __ Its the same Hotmail(R). If by same you mean up to 70% faster. [1]Get your account now. -- References 1. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_122008 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Good 2009
Pling plong plung is my answer to the coming year. Hope we´ll make music like this year in hamburg, burg sternberg or kotzbus! wo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Orphenica [mailto:wer...@orphenica.de] Gesendet: Sonntag, 28. Dezember 2008 18:50 An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Good 2009 To all crisis ridden vocal, flute and string players in the world, May you all (except Igor) master the coming year like he is doing in this video. With creativity, talent and not least, humor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAg5KjnAhuU Pling we Ron Andrico schrieb: >To All: >In the spirit of the holidays, and because we were snowbound for a few >days last week, we have added a few videos to our youtube page. The >videos were an experiment with no enhancements, and some are from a >live concert in honor of St. Lucy's Day, and the rest from our snowy >home. Happy holidays to all. >http://www.youtube.com/user/lutesongs >Ron Andrico & Donna Stewart >www.mignarda.com > > __ > >Its the same Hotmail(R). If by same you mean up to 70% faster. [1]Get >your account now. -- > > References > >1. > http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_br > oad1_122008 > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >
[LUTE] Re: Good 2009
Orphenica wrote: To all crisis ridden vocal, flute and string players in the world, May you all (except Igor) master the coming year like he is doing in this video. With creativity, talent and not least, humor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAg5KjnAhuU Pling we Ron Andrico schrieb: To All: In the spirit of the holidays, and because we were snowbound for a few days last week, we have added a few videos to our youtube page. The videos were an experiment with no enhancements, and some are from a live concert in honor of St. Lucy's Day, and the rest from our snowy home. Happy holidays to all. http://www.youtube.com/user/lutesongs Ron Andrico & Donna Stewart www.mignarda.com __ Its the same Hotmail(R). If by same you mean up to 70% faster. [1]Get your account now. -- References 1. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_122008 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html it might have been better with gut stringing!
[LUTE] Re: Good 2009
Single or double first course? All the best for 2009 and the rest! To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Good 2009
>>> >>> Charles Browne schrieb: >>> it might have been better with gut stringing! You are right! When I first met Toyohiko Satoh, it seemed to me that he was obesessed by the idea that most human problems, e.g. sloth, wrath, envy, bad mouth taste and lack of guitarists' stamina in adopting the lute originate in NOT using gut strings. When I held my first instrument with gut strings in my hands, I instantaneously knew how he was perfectly right ;-) Nonetheless all the best for the years to come (due to the financial crisis and the prices of gut already known as the "Nylon years") we Charles Browne schrieb: it might have been better with gut stringing! Orphenica wrote: To all crisis ridden vocal, flute and string players in the world, May you all (except Igor) master the coming year like he is doing in this video. With creativity, talent and not least, humor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAg5KjnAhuU Pling we it might have been better with gut stringing! To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Good 2009
Has anyone experimented w/ tuning their ren guitar into a ukelele? Sean "Ducking Shoes" Smith On Dec 28, 2008, at 4:10 PM, Orphenica wrote: >>> >>> Charles Browne schrieb: >>> it might have been better with gut stringing! You are right! When I first met Toyohiko Satoh, it seemed to me that he was obesessed by the idea that most human problems, e.g. sloth, wrath, envy, bad mouth taste and lack of guitarists' stamina in adopting the lute originate in NOT using gut strings. When I held my first instrument with gut strings in my hands, I instantaneously knew how he was perfectly right ;-) Nonetheless all the best for the years to come (due to the financial crisis and the prices of gut already known as the "Nylon years") we Charles Browne schrieb: it might have been better with gut stringing! Orphenica wrote: To all crisis ridden vocal, flute and string players in the world, May you all (except Igor) master the coming year like he is doing in this video. With creativity, talent and not least, humor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAg5KjnAhuU Pling we it might have been better with gut stringing! To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html