[LUTE] Re: Menuet for Mandora (Brussels MS 5.619)
Dear Stuart, Ah.. This MS is, I believe, a copyist's fair copy (for a patron?) - as witnessed by the various missing bars etc. The scribe is not always very careful between showing appoggiaturas and slurs between notes: the examples you list are mostly slurs - it's largely a matter of context. However you'll see that in the second of your examples the scribe isn't always unclear and there is, in fact, a small, but discernible, difference between the 'comma' indicating an appoggiatura on the tablature letter d and the slur stroke between the following two letters b and a. Re repeating minuets and trios: if orchestral practice is anything to go by, they would have expected repeats in both the minuer and trio it but with perhaps the DC reprise of the minuet played only once: I think we often forget these days that many players had rather small collections of music (we are, of course, tremendously fortunate in having centuries on tap). I'll leave ralls and the like to personal taste Martyn --- On Sat, 8/10/11, Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com wrote: From: Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: Menuet for Mandora (Brussels MS 5.619) To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Lute Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Saturday, 8 October, 2011, 20:39 On 08/10/2011 09:45, Martyn Hodgson wrote: Dear Stuart, One of the better mandora/gallichon sources (date around 1750). Regarding ornaments, can you tell me (piece number, bar, beat) which signs you're unsure about? Generally this MS uses the common signs: comma after a tablature letter = upper appoggiatura or/upper trill; semi-circle under a letter = lower appoggiatura (frequently on the second chord of a cadence and quite long as the style by mid 18th C) What about here: [1][1]http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/Trio.jpg bar 10 and especially bar 11 and here: [2][2]http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/Trio1.jpg bar 2, penultimate bar of first section (bar 15). By the way, there are a few concordances with other mandora/gallichon MSs, including: Dresden Brescianello, Donaueschingen 1272; Note that the tablature needs amending in some pieces (possibly copyist errors), eg - No 165 (a little gem): line 2 bar 1 first beat needs amending to r d (on second) a (on first) and d (on fourth); - whole 30 bar missing line 5 between bar 2 and 3 - just follow the bass progression down I agree that there are some gems here. If you just skim sight read through a lot of pieces they can look disappointing but many are worth making more of an effort. I'm always dubious where a whole bar is repeated. For example No 159, a gigue (guigs?), second section, bars 6 and seven are the same and add up to an 11 bar subsection. I suspect that a bar has been repeated by mistake. On the other hand, No 111, Entree, bars 6and 7 of the second section are also identical but seem right?. This is a fine old piece with what almost sounds like a walking bass. (Would you do a rall in bar 8 of the second section?) And finally, all those menuets and trios: do you play the trio (same tempo) and then all of the minuet again? Thanks for any advice Stuart Martyn --- On Fri, 7/10/11, Stuart Walsh [3][3]s.wa...@ntlworld.com wrote: From: Stuart Walsh [4][4]s.wa...@ntlworld.com Subject: [LUTE] Menuet for Mandora (Brussels MS 5.619) To: Lute Net [5][5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Friday, 7 October, 2011, 22:28 I bought the Brussels mandora book (MS5.619) a long time ago and every so often have looked through the pieces on a six-string guitar or Ren lute (with the third course up a semitone). Lots of short dances and many are quite similar to one another. I can't find anything more specific than 1700-1750 (!) as a date. I've been looking through it again, now with the Lute Society's mandora on loan. There are lots of little errors knocking about and I just can't figure out what some of the ornament signs are meant to mean. There are lots of minuets preceding trios - so presumably it's minuet-trio-minuet? (the full minuet with repeats?). This doesn't seem particularly convincing.(Like a meal with a large first course, then a dessert, and then another large main course again) Anyway here's a minuet, without the following trio. I think it has quite a push to it and reminds me of Logy's guitar music. [6][6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaQTcWPAnbU Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at [7][7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1.
[LUTE] Re: Robert de Visee
Hello, Caius! I always look first at ISMLP (International Score Music Library Project): http://imslp.org/ Check composers under letter V. You'll find the facsimile of one of Visee's two printed tablatures (the 1686 one). This fabulous collection of 122,899 public domain scores was started by a Canadian high school student. And he named it, appropriately, Petrucci Music Library. Had a run in with a powerful Austrian music publisher who tried to close him down. But he prevailed. It's nice to see you are getting lots of performances. Did you make the baroque guitar yourself? Arthur - Original Message - From: hera caius caiush2...@yahoo.com To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 9:21 AM Subject: [LUTE] Robert de Visee Hello lutenists and guitarists, I am very interested to play some Robert de Visee on my baroque guitar, anyone can help me find on internet his books? Thank you in advance, Caius -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Menuet for Mandora (Brussels MS 5.619)
- Original Message - From: Martyn Hodgson [1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk To: Stuart Walsh [2]s.wa...@ntlworld.com Cc: Lute Net [3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 3:30 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Menuet for Mandora (Brussels MS 5.619) Dear Stuart, SNIP Re repeating minuets and trios: if orchestral practice is anything to go by, they would have expected repeats in both the minuer and trio it but with perhaps the DC reprise of the minuet played only once: I think we often forget these days that many players had rather small collections of music (we are, of course, tremendously fortunate in having centuries on tap). AJN From many of our earliest music lessons as children we were instructed to ignore the repeat signs on the Da Capo of a minuet (or similar ABA form). I do not know when this convention was introduced. Perhaps in the 19th century. But the repeat on the Da Capo was taken in earlier times, e.g., during the 18th century. Sometimes a minuet has two or more trios (especially in serenades and divertimentos), and then you will invariably see the instruction at the end of both Trios, Menuetto da capo senza repetizione. It is a warning not to follow the usual practice of observing the repeats during the Da Capo when there is one Trio. I'll leave ralls and the like to personal taste Martyn -- References 1. mailto:hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk 2. mailto:s.wa...@ntlworld.com 3. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Menuet for Mandora (Brussels MS 5.619)
You may be right - I hedged my bets by saying 'perhaps'. What I can say is that in various period bands in which I play the DC of the menuet is invariably played only once. Do the figures actually danced tell us anything? When last playing for 'period' dancers (The Arbeu Dancers) they asked us not to repeat the DC but, of course, they may have simply become hypnotised by modern(ish) practice. Martyn --- On Sun, 9/10/11, A. J. Ness arthurjn...@verizon.net wrote: From: A. J. Ness arthurjn...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Menuet for Mandora (Brussels MS 5.619) To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Lute Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Sunday, 9 October, 2011, 15:38 - Original Message - From: Martyn Hodgson [1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk To: Stuart Walsh [2]s.wa...@ntlworld.com Cc: Lute Net [3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 3:30 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Menuet for Mandora (Brussels MS 5.619) Dear Stuart, SNIP Re repeating minuets and trios: if orchestral practice is anything to go by, they would have expected repeats in both the minuer and trio it but with perhaps the DC reprise of the minuet played only once: I think we often forget these days that many players had rather small collections of music (we are, of course, tremendously fortunate in having centuries on tap). AJN From many of our earliest music lessons as children we were instructed to ignore the repeat signs on the Da Capo of a minuet (or similar ABA form). I do not know when this convention was introduced. Perhaps in the 19th century. But the repeat on the Da Capo was taken in earlier times, e.g., during the 18th century. Sometimes a minuet has two or more trios (especially in serenades and divertimentos), and then you will invariably see the instruction at the end of both Trios, Menuetto da capo senza repetizione. It is a warning not to follow the usual practice of observing the repeats during the Da Capo when there is one Trio. I'll leave ralls and the like to personal taste Martyn -- References 1. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk 2. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=s.wa...@ntlworld.com 3. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lute@cs.dartmouth.edu To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] de Visee theorbo duets
Hello lute folks, There is a chaconne in g-major from the Saizenay ms and often attributed to de Visee (and sometimes to le Moyne). There is a duet version of this chaconne on Youtube. Does anyone know whether the duet version of this chaconne has been published and how one might obtain a copy of it? Thanks, Brad. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: de Visee theorbo duets
Brad, Can you send the link to the duet on you tube? At 11:09 AM 10/9/2011, gtung.wal...@utoronto.ca wrote: Hello lute folks, There is a chaconne in g-major from the Saizenay ms and often attributed to de Visee (and sometimes to le Moyne). There is a duet version of this chaconne on Youtube. Does anyone know whether the duet version of this chaconne has been published and how one might obtain a copy of it? Thanks, Brad. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: e...@gamutstrings.com voice: (218) 728-1202 http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1660298871ref=name http://www.myspace.com/edslute http://magnatune.com/artists/edward_martin
[LUTE] Re: Robert de Visee
Hello Caius, you're VERY lucky. The Gallica project has digitalised all de Visee printed books here: [1]http://gallica.bnf.fr/Search?ArianeWireIndex=indexp=1lang=ENq=rob ert+de+vis%C3%A9e They can be browsed on-line or fully downloaded. Amusez-vous bien, i. e. enjoy! Luca hera caius on 09/10/11 15.21 wrote: Hello lutenists and guitarists, I am very interested to play some Robert de Visee on my baroque guitar, anyone can help me find on internet his books? Thank you in advance, Caius References 1. http://gallica.bnf.fr/Search?ArianeWireIndex=indexp=1lang=ENq=robert+de+vis%C3%A9e To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Guillaume Morlaye, Adrien le Roy?
Does anyone know of any source of Guillaume Morlaye's and Adrien le Roy's pieces for 4-course guitar? The printed versions all seem to be out of print. Bill From: Luca Manassero l...@manassero.net To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, 9 October 2011, 19:07 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Robert de Visee Hello Caius, you're VERY lucky. The Gallica project has digitalised all de Visee printed books here: [1][1]http://gallica.bnf.fr/Search?ArianeWireIndex=indexp=1lang=ENq= rob ert+de+vis%C3%A9e They can be browsed on-line or fully downloaded. Amusez-vous bien, i. e. enjoy! Luca hera caius on 09/10/11 15.21 wrote: Hello lutenists and guitarists, I am very interested to play some Robert de Visee on my baroque guitar, anyone can help me find on internet his books? Thank you in advance, Caius References 1. [2]http://gallica.bnf.fr/Search?ArianeWireIndex=indexp=1lang=ENq=rob ert+de+vis%C3%A9e To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://gallica.bnf.fr/Search?ArianeWireIndex=indexp=1lang=ENq=rob 2. http://gallica.bnf.fr/Search?ArianeWireIndex=indexp=1lang=ENq=robert+de+vis%C3%A9e 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Guillaume Morlaye, Adrien le Roy?
The Le Roy and Brayssing books (and some other 4-course arrangements) have been posted on the Early Guitar and Vihuela Ning site. Have a look here, and click the from so-and-so link to take you to the page. http://earlyguitar.ning.com/page/scores-1 -- R On Oct 9, 2011, at 1:23 PM, William Samson wrote: Does anyone know of any source of Guillaume Morlaye's and Adrien le Roy's pieces for 4-course guitar? The printed versions all seem to be out of print. Bill From: Luca Manassero l...@manassero.net To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, 9 October 2011, 19:07 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Robert de Visee Hello Caius, you're VERY lucky. The Gallica project has digitalised all de Visee printed books here: [1][1]http://gallica.bnf.fr/Search? ArianeWireIndex=indexp=1lang=ENq= rob ert+de+vis%C3%A9e They can be browsed on-line or fully downloaded. Amusez-vous bien, i. e. enjoy! Luca hera caius on 09/10/11 15.21 wrote: Hello lutenists and guitarists, I am very interested to play some Robert de Visee on my baroque guitar, anyone can help me find on internet his books? Thank you in advance, Caius References 1. [2]http://gallica.bnf.fr/Search? ArianeWireIndex=indexp=1lang=ENq=rob ert+de+vis%C3%A9e To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://gallica.bnf.fr/Search? ArianeWireIndex=indexp=1lang=ENq=rob 2. http://gallica.bnf.fr/Search? ArianeWireIndex=indexp=1lang=ENq=robert+de+vis%C3%A9e 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Guillaume Morlaye, Adrien le Roy?
I, too, would love to have access to the Morlaye and Grolier books. Does anyone know where I can find it. On Sun, 9 Oct 2011 13:32:40 -0500, you wrote: The Le Roy and Brayssing books (and some other 4-course arrangements) have been posted on the Early Guitar and Vihuela Ning site. Have a look here, and click the from so-and-so link to take you to the page. http://earlyguitar.ning.com/page/scores-1 -- R On Oct 9, 2011, at 1:23 PM, William Samson wrote: Does anyone know of any source of Guillaume Morlaye's and Adrien le Roy's pieces for 4-course guitar? The printed versions all seem to be out of print. Bill From: Luca Manassero l...@manassero.net To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, 9 October 2011, 19:07 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Robert de Visee Hello Caius, you're VERY lucky. The Gallica project has digitalised all de Visee printed books here: [1][1]http://gallica.bnf.fr/Search? ArianeWireIndex=indexp=1lang=ENq= rob ert+de+vis%C3%A9e They can be browsed on-line or fully downloaded. Amusez-vous bien, i. e. enjoy! Luca hera caius on 09/10/11 15.21 wrote: Hello lutenists and guitarists, I am very interested to play some Robert de Visee on my baroque guitar, anyone can help me find on internet his books? Thank you in advance, Caius References 1. [2]http://gallica.bnf.fr/Search? ArianeWireIndex=indexp=1lang=ENq=rob ert+de+vis%C3%A9e To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://gallica.bnf.fr/Search? ArianeWireIndex=indexp=1lang=ENq=rob 2. http://gallica.bnf.fr/Search? ArianeWireIndex=indexp=1lang=ENq=robert+de+vis%C3%A9e 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Il me suffit in Ms Mus 2987
Whilst browsing through the lute music at the Bayerische Staatsbibliothek on line, I noticed an extraordinary intabulation of Claudin de Sermisy's Il me suffit in German lute tablature in Ms. Mus. 2987. The manuscript contains music in organ tablature, German lute tablature, French lute tablature and Italian lute tablature. What is so unusual about Il me suffit is that each of the four voices has been given a separate set of rhythm signs. I have only ever seen this once before, which was in Virdung's Musica getutscht und ausgezogen (1511). Seeing the voices intabulated separately in this way helps one understand why the system of one set of conflated rhythm signs evolved as the norm. It is just possible that this copy of Il me suffit was intended for four viols - after all, Hans Gerle used German tablature for viols - but having the four voices so compact, as a score rather than in separate parts, makes me think that the music was intended for lute solo. Underneath Il me suffit is the start of another piece, which I don't recognise. You can see how the scribe drew his staves and bar lines before writing in the numbers and letters for the notes with a rhythm sign for each note. There is a description of the manuscript in Boetticher's RISM volume, p. 224. You can see the manuscript at: [1]http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0004/bsb00049370/images/inde x.html?id=00049370fip=qrsqrseayaensdaseayaenqrsxdsydensdasno=44seite =15 Stewart McCoy. -- References 1. http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0004/bsb00049370/images/index.html?id=00049370fip=qrsqrseayaensdaseayaenqrsxdsydensdasno=44seite=15 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Il me suffit in Ms Mus 2987
Dear Stewart, Mus Ms 2987 is a fascicle manuscript. That is several (3?) manuscripts bound together in the mid-19th century. (One fascicle is in the hand of Melchior Newsidler. Willi Apel has published the keyboard pieces.) Some of the pages were discovered in 1840 loose in one of the huge Lassus choir books (5 foot tall!), where they must have been for two centuries. I see no reason to doubt that they are the first stage in making an intabulation. There is, however, an unrelated manuscript in the Munich University library that has German tablature likewise in score format. But the pieces are for viols since some parts are labeled Geygen. There's lute music in that manuscript also. Back across the street to D-Mbs. Mus Ms 1511C has some sketchy pages (lots of corrections) of intabuations of Aspice dominum by Jachet, followed by similar sketchy intabulation of Willaert's Audi filia. Now in the middle of Aspice is a page of German tablature in SATB score format (fol. 3v). It's a tricky passage for Audi filia that the intabulator worked out in SATB tablature score and then copied into the tablature. At the end of that fascile is a dedication to a priest, Al reverendo patre fra matio. (For a related matter see my response to Henner's inquiry.) AJN - Original Message - From: Stewart McCoy lu...@tiscali.co.uk To: Lute Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 5:16 PM Subject: [LUTE] Il me suffit in Ms Mus 2987 Whilst browsing through the lute music at the Bayerische Staatsbibliothek on line, I noticed an extraordinary intabulation of Claudin de Sermisy's Il me suffit in German lute tablature in Ms. Mus. 2987. The manuscript contains music in organ tablature, German lute tablature, French lute tablature and Italian lute tablature. What is so unusual about Il me suffit is that each of the four voices has been given a separate set of rhythm signs. I have only ever seen this once before, which was in Virdung's Musica getutscht und ausgezogen (1511). Seeing the voices intabulated separately in this way helps one understand why the system of one set of conflated rhythm signs evolved as the norm. It is just possible that this copy of Il me suffit was intended for four viols - after all, Hans Gerle used German tablature for viols - but having the four voices so compact, as a score rather than in separate parts, makes me think that the music was intended for lute solo. Underneath Il me suffit is the start of another piece, which I don't recognise. You can see how the scribe drew his staves and bar lines before writing in the numbers and letters for the notes with a rhythm sign for each note. There is a description of the manuscript in Boetticher's RISM volume, p. 224. You can see the manuscript at: [1]http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0004/bsb00049370/images/inde x.html?id=00049370fip=qrsqrseayaensdaseayaenqrsxdsydensdasno=44seite =15 Stewart McCoy. -- References 1. http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0004/bsb00049370/images/index.html?id=00049370fip=qrsqrseayaensdaseayaenqrsxdsydensdasno=44seite=15 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: looking for Gastoldi scores
Dear Henner, I gather there are many little known treasures in your lovely city. During my student days I visited the Badische Landesbibliothek mainly to look at a manuscript German tablature that originated in the Ettenheim Benedictine Monastery (Sammelband Mus Bd A 678) . The manuscript has intabulations of Lieder by Hassler, many Lutheran chorale settings and some English pieces. The manuscript also has a five-page treatise in Latin (with some Greek words) at its beginning. Wolfgang Boetticher described it as a treatise on ancient Greek scales, and as a result it has been ignored by lutenists and lute scholars. But he wasn't paying attention. It is a rather elementary treatise on how to intabulate vocal music for the lute using German tablature. So I guess in my small way I also made known another of the treasures of your city. But that Karlsruhe Katalog is so very useful. It is really a major resource for all kinds of research. I often use it several times every day. Regards, Arthur. - Original Message - From: henner.kahl...@t-online.de To: A. J. Ness arthurjn...@verizon.net; Lutenet lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 1:40 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: looking for Gastoldi scores Dear Arthur, thank you very much. It is a shame that I - living in Karlsruhe - did not know this catalogue. Best wishes, Henner A. J. Ness arthurjn...@verizon.net schrieb: Dear Henner, Sorry I gave a link to the Karlsruhe Connection in my first response to David van Ooijen's query: Modern scores by London Pro musica and by Heugel (and others) are available on the antiquarian market. Use the Karlsruhe Connection if you want to purchase http://www.ubka.uni-karlsruhe.de/kvk_en.html Check the last column (antiquarian book dealers) and search on (title) Balletti and (author) Gastoldi. I found about a dozen hits. There also seem to be original copies in the National Library of the Netherlands, so you might check that box too (17th-century reprints???). It is a fantastic search tool. One can search for books, scores, recordings, etc., in about 100 libraries around the world, including the union catalogues** of Great Britain, Italy, France, Canada, U.S. (foundation for the World Catalgue***), Austria, Luxembourg, Israel, Portugal, Spain, etc. It also searches a dozen select antiquarian catalogues such as Abebooks and Alibris (they also have international coverage). You should take a look at it now, so you have an idea of its resources. ** A union catalogue attempts to provide a listing (with location) of books in ALL libraries in a given country. *** http://www.worldcat.org/ You can open a free account with the World Catalogue and save titles of interest to you in various bibliographical formats. Lists can be public or private. If you provide your city or ZIP Code, the catalogue will arrange the hits by distance from your home (including mileageg). There are more Finding Tools on Wayne Cripps' lute page: http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/Sources.html ajn - Original Message - From: henner.kahl...@t-online.de To: A. J. Ness arthurjn...@verizon.net; Lutenet lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 1:12 AM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: looking for Gastoldi scores What is the Karlsruhe Connection please? Henner A. J. Ness arthurjn...@verizon.net schrieb: David, There was (is) a choral library like ISMLP and it joined ISMLP just a few weeks ago. At least I recall hearing an announcement like that. It's wise to check the antiquarian dealers on the Karlsruhe Connection. The coverage is international, and frequently they'll have what you want. Usually at a reasonable price. arthur. - Original Message - From: David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com To: lutelist Net Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Cc: Arthur Ness arthurjn...@verizon.net Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 4:06 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: looking for Gastoldi scores Dear Arthur The 1596 Phalèse parts are now available on ISMLP: http://imslp.org/ And I completely missed it at my earlier visit to the IMSLP. Once more you saved my life (it had been saved by Anton already, with a trombone arrangement no less, which perfectly served the purpose as it was, but the original ... who can resist?!) Thanks again! David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Dr. Henner Kahlert In der Tasch 2a D 76227 Karlsruhe (Durlach) Tel. 0721-403353 Tel. Büro 0721-23984 Fax Büro 0721-20978 -- Dr. Henner Kahlert In der Tasch 2a D 76227 Karlsruhe (Durlach) Tel. 0721-403353 Tel. Büro 0721-23984 Fax Büro 0721-20978
