[LUTE] Belle qui tient ma vie, pavanne thoinaut Arbeanau

2012-08-01 Thread Bruno Fournier
   Hello

   A

   Anyone has an intabulation of Belle qui tient ma vie pavan? I need for
   a gig in 2 days... last minute request.

   A

   quelqu'un aurait une tablature de Belle qui tien ma vie, j'en ai besoin
   pour concert dans 2 jours, demandA(c) A  la derniA"re minute..

   A

   A

   merci
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   A

   Bruno Cognyl-Fournier

   A

   [1]www.estavel.org

   A

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[LUTE] The Sick Tune

2012-08-01 Thread Daniel F. Heiman
   Does anyone have this piece in tab they could send me (off list) or
   point me to a source on line?


   TIA


   Daniel Heiman

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[LUTE] Re: My First Lute

2012-08-01 Thread Steve Ramey
   Anyone interested should check out Mel's web site:
   www.blackbirdstringarts.com.  It's full of enjoyable reading,
   particularly on the topic of the current generation of middle Eastern
   lutes and the "Chinese" lutes he offered a few years ago.
   Regards to all,
   Steve
 __

   From: wayne cripps 
   To: Jim Ammeson 
   Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2012 1:26 PM
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: My First Lute
   A while ago Mel Wong, the lute maker, got a lute made in China, which
   he adjusted and offered for sale at a reasonable price. ($600). He told
   me
   that he didn't have to do very much to it.  This was two years ago.
   His email is [1]mel.w...@sbcglobal.net if you want to see if he can
   still
   get one.
 Wayne
   On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Jim Ammeson <[2]jimastr...@yahoo.com>
   wrote:
   >  So, I've been considering buying a lute for a few years now, but
   I've
   >  had trouble finding places I can really try playing one or many
   people
   >  I can talk to about them.  (Lutes are a bit of a niche thing, I
   know.)
   >  A lutenist at the local renaissance faire suggested this list, so I
   >  thought I'd post.
   >  So, I'll just explain my situation, right now:
   >  I've been playing classical guitar for about 5 years.  I play lots
   of
   >  baroque and renaissance music, love the stuff.  I'd really like to
   try
   >  playing a lute or two before deciding if I want to make the
   investment
   >  in buying one.  As of right now, I don't have much over $500 to
   spend
   >  (I know that's not probably enough for one that's really worth
   having,
   >  unless I get a good price on a used one or something), but I'm
   >  *willing* to spend more, just don't have it *now*.  (I'm a college
   >  student, nuff said?)
   >  I live in the Chicago area, and have asked around if there's
   anyplace
   >  in the area whatsoever that makes lutes, and have tried looking
   online,
   >  but haven't found anything.  I've asked around at renaissance
   faires,
   >  as well, and, again, just was directed here by one lutenist.
   >  So, any advice as to what a beginning lutenist should do?  Where to
   go
   >  to try a lute for the first time and see if it is really something
   for
   >  him?  I've been thinking an 8 course lute would be good for the
   pieces
   >  I play to play...Bach and Dowland and the like?  Any general advice
   is
   >  also appreciated.
   >  -Jim
   >
   >  --
   >
   >
   > To get on or off this list see list information at
   > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
   >

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   1. mailto:mel.w...@sbcglobal.net
   2. mailto:jimastr...@yahoo.com



[LUTE] Re: My First Lute

2012-08-01 Thread corun
Thanks Eugene. Apparently the Justice Dept. here in the US is including 
Madagascar rosewood when it enforces the Lacey Act. 

Craig




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[LUTE] Re: My First Lute

2012-08-01 Thread Braig, Eugene
PS: Dalbergia nigra is that commonly referred to as Brazilian rosewood.

Eugene

-Original Message-
From: Braig, Eugene 
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 2:09 PM
To: lutelist Net
Subject: RE: [LUTE] Re: My First Lute

Depends upon the species, Craig.

http://www.fws.gov/international/DMA_DSA/CITES/CITES_home.html
http://www.fws.gov/international/DMA_DSA/CITES/pdf/Cites_eng.pdf
http://www.cites.org/eng/app/appendices.php (true rosewoods are of the genus 
Dalbergia)

Only Dalbergia nigra is afforded protection under appendix I (i.e., "species 
threatened with extinction. Trade in specimens of these species is permitted 
only in exceptional circumstances.").  Any other Dalbergia spp. listed fall 
under appendix III (i.e., "species that are protected in at least one country, 
which has asked other CITES Parties for assistance in controlling the trade" 
or, essentially, much easier to trade depending upon the documented place of 
origin).

Best,
Eugene


-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of 
co...@medievalist.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 1:31 PM
To: lutelist Net
Subject: [LUTE] Re: My First Lute

Howard wrote:
>
>Apart from the obvious caveats:
>
>Doesn't "travel lute" mean flat back?

Yes, I agree. The nomenclature they use seems a bit ignorant, not meant in the 
pejorative. I think I saw an 8 course "descant" lute too by them.

>And importing rosewood may be a problem because most varieties are endangered.

Is there a moratorium or other proscription in the US on importing rosewood? I 
wasn't aware if there is. Please let me know as I have an opportunity to get 
some and don't want to break any laws I'm ignorant of. Thank you.

Regards,
Craig





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[LUTE] Re: My First Lute

2012-08-01 Thread Braig, Eugene
Depends upon the species, Craig.

http://www.fws.gov/international/DMA_DSA/CITES/CITES_home.html
http://www.fws.gov/international/DMA_DSA/CITES/pdf/Cites_eng.pdf
http://www.cites.org/eng/app/appendices.php (true rosewoods are of the genus 
Dalbergia)

Only Dalbergia nigra is afforded protection under appendix I (i.e., "species 
threatened with extinction. Trade in specimens of these species is permitted 
only in exceptional circumstances.").  Any other Dalbergia spp. listed fall 
under appendix III (i.e., "species that are protected in at least one country, 
which has asked other CITES Parties for assistance in controlling the trade" 
or, essentially, much easier to trade depending upon the documented place of 
origin).

Best,
Eugene


-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of 
co...@medievalist.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 1:31 PM
To: lutelist Net
Subject: [LUTE] Re: My First Lute

Howard wrote:
>
>Apart from the obvious caveats:
>
>Doesn't "travel lute" mean flat back?

Yes, I agree. The nomenclature they use seems a bit ignorant, not meant in the 
pejorative. I think I saw an 8 course "descant" lute too by them.

>And importing rosewood may be a problem because most varieties are endangered.

Is there a moratorium or other proscription in the US on importing rosewood? I 
wasn't aware if there is. Please let me know as I have an opportunity to get 
some and don't want to break any laws I'm ignorant of. Thank you.

Regards,
Craig





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[LUTE] Re: My First Lute

2012-08-01 Thread corun
Howard wrote:
>
>Apart from the obvious caveats:
>
>Doesn't "travel lute" mean flat back?

Yes, I agree. The nomenclature they use seems a bit ignorant, not meant in the 
pejorative. I think I saw an 8 course "descant" lute too by them.

>And importing rosewood may be a problem because most varieties are endangered.

Is there a moratorium or other proscription in the US on importing rosewood? I 
wasn't aware if there is. Please let me know as I have an opportunity to get 
some and don't want to break any laws I'm ignorant of. Thank you.

Regards,
Craig





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[LUTE] Re: My First Lute

2012-08-01 Thread wayne cripps

A while ago Mel Wong, the lute maker, got a lute made in China, which
he adjusted and offered for sale at a reasonable price. ($600). He told me
that he didn't have to do very much to it.  This was two years ago.
His email is mel.w...@sbcglobal.net if you want to see if he can still
get one.

   Wayne

On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Jim Ammeson  wrote:

>   So, I've been considering buying a lute for a few years now, but I've
>   had trouble finding places I can really try playing one or many people
>   I can talk to about them.  (Lutes are a bit of a niche thing, I know.)
>   A lutenist at the local renaissance faire suggested this list, so I
>   thought I'd post.
>   So, I'll just explain my situation, right now:
>   I've been playing classical guitar for about 5 years.  I play lots of
>   baroque and renaissance music, love the stuff.  I'd really like to try
>   playing a lute or two before deciding if I want to make the investment
>   in buying one.  As of right now, I don't have much over $500 to spend
>   (I know that's not probably enough for one that's really worth having,
>   unless I get a good price on a used one or something), but I'm
>   *willing* to spend more, just don't have it *now*.  (I'm a college
>   student, nuff said?)
>   I live in the Chicago area, and have asked around if there's anyplace
>   in the area whatsoever that makes lutes, and have tried looking online,
>   but haven't found anything.  I've asked around at renaissance faires,
>   as well, and, again, just was directed here by one lutenist.
>   So, any advice as to what a beginning lutenist should do?  Where to go
>   to try a lute for the first time and see if it is really something for
>   him?  I've been thinking an 8 course lute would be good for the pieces
>   I play to play...Bach and Dowland and the like?  Any general advice is
>   also appreciated.
>   -Jim
> 
>   --
> 
> 
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> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> 




[LUTE] Re: My First Lute

2012-08-01 Thread howard posner

On Aug 1, 2012, at 10:01 AM, co...@medievalist.org wrote:

> I took a look on eBay just on spec to see what was out there based on your 
> email on this subject. I know nothing of the quality but at first blush, the 
> Roosebeck 7 course seen here 
> -http://www.ebay.com/itm/Roosebeck-7-Course-13-String-Rosewood-Travel-Lute-/170833947206?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27c67f2a46
>  seems to look of considerably better quality than what was out a few years 
> ago. This of course doesn't mean it's a good lute or even playable. I recall 
> many on this list who bought one of the early ones made in the Mid East 
> complaining that they needed serious re-working. But the price is not bad at 
> less than $500 dollars. Naturally caveat emptor.


Apart from the obvious caveats:

Doesn't "travel lute" mean flat back?

And importing rosewood may be a problem because most varieties are endangered.
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[LUTE] Re: My First Lute

2012-08-01 Thread Tony
It did enough to let me know
   whether I wanted to pursue playing on a lute.
   Probably yes
   But  a mentor who could have guided you ,and made some adjustments to
   the instrument's action, might have meant that your lute playing
   experience was agreable  enough  that you stayed with it.A better lute
   would help of course, though it is possible to play beautiful music on
   a cheap lute, provided that it is tunable and the action and string
   spacing is ok.
I turned my 8-course into a 7-course and could play it with much more
   ease. Certainly  lute music is far nicer (for player and
   listener)played with  on a guitar, than with difficulty on a lute. I
   think ther must be many, many guitarists who buy a lute and get so
   frustrated by certain of its characteristics that they give up. I
   almost did a few times
   Tony
   --- On Wed, 1/8/12, Toby  wrote:

 From: Toby 
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: My First Lute
 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Date: Wednesday, 1 August, 2012, 17:36

   On 07/31/2012 03:25 PM, A.J. Padilla MD wrote:
   > As I recall, over the years there have been several threads about the
   > Pakistani lutes, all pretty much negative, essentially to the effect
   that
   > you need all new strings, have to change the action by altering the
   > fingerboard and/or bridge and/or nut, and tolerate a thick,
   poorly-made
   > soundboard, they're ok.
   That's all quite fair.  I bought one from eBay years ago.  It was
   playable,
   and made sound.  It reminded me of one of those cheap ukuleles that you
   can pick up at a gift shop in Hawaii.  It did enough to let me know
   whether I wanted to pursue playing on a lute.  In the end I decided
   to stick with a retuned classical guitar because I found it difficult
   to go back and forth between the two, due to the great difference in
   spacing between the strings.

   >
   > A
   >
   > [9]www.estavel.org
   >
   > A
   >
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   >

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[LUTE] Re: My First Lute

2012-08-01 Thread corun
Chris,

I took a look on eBay just on spec to see what was out there based on your 
email on this subject. I know nothing of the quality but at first blush, the 
Roosebeck 7 course seen here - 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Roosebeck-7-Course-13-String-Rosewood-Travel-Lute-/170833947206?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27c67f2a46
 seems to look of considerably better quality than what was out a few years 
ago. This of course doesn't mean it's a good lute or even playable. I recall 
many on this list who bought one of the early ones made in the Mid East 
complaining that they needed serious re-working. But the price is not bad at 
less than $500 dollars. Naturally caveat emptor.

On a related search I came across a listing for plans that were allegedly drawn 
by Giuseppe Tumiati (www.lute.net). Is anyone familiar with these plans and can 
anyone speak to the quality or authenticity of them?

Regards,
Craig Allen





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[LUTE] Re: My First Lute

2012-08-01 Thread Stephen Kenyon
The Lute Society in UK has a 'hire fleet' of lutes for this very 
purpose.  Whether they can be hired to Chicago might seem unlikely but 
would surely be worth asking.


Stephen



On 07/31/2012 03:25 PM, A.J. Padilla MD wrote:


.




Note that the Lute Society (in the UK) has a list of luthiers both in 
Europe

and N America. I would think that the LSA (Lute Society of America) has a
similar list.
Do you perchance have a firstborn child, or an extra gonad, or perhaps a
kidney you might want to offer for a "real" lute?
Al Padilla

-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On 
Behalf

Of Bruno Fournier
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:06 PM
To: William Samson
Cc: Jim Ammeson; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: My First Lute

I would suggest you try and rent one from a local lutenist, or 
perhaps
check with the university music faculty if there would be one 
available

on loan.

A

regards

A

Bruno Cognyl-Fournier

Montreal Canada

A

A

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:32 PM, William Samson
<[1]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk>  wrote:

  A  A A difficult one, Jim. A Most lutes are built to order for a
  customer -
  A  A unfortunate because the customer doesn't get a chance to 
try it

  before
  A  A committing to buy it!
  A  A There are, however, some off-the-peg lutes available. A 
Closest

  to your
  A  A price range are the lutes built (in Pakistan??) for the Early
  Music
  A  A Shop in England
  A
  A 
[1][2]http://www.earlymusicshop.com/product.aspx/en-GB/1000655-ems

  -8-cours
  A  A e-renaissance-lute A  I have recently seen and tried one of
  these and
  A  A found it to play very well. A I don't know if similar 
lutes are

  A  A available in the US but would be surprised if they aren't.
  A  A The other possibility is the second-hand market, but you're in
  the lap
  A  A of the gods, there.
  A  A Good luck in your quest!
  A  A Bill
  A  A From: Jim Ammeson<[3]jimastr...@yahoo.com>
  A  A To: "[4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu"<[5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
  A  A Sent: Tuesday, 31 July 2012, 17:31
  A  A Subject: [LUTE] My First Lute

A  A  A So, I've been considering buying a lute for a few years now,
but I've
A  A  A had trouble finding places I can really try playing one 
or many

A  A people
A  A  A I can talk to about them. A (Lutes are a bit of a niche 
thing,

I
A  A know.)
A  A  A A lutenist at the local renaissance faire suggested this 
list,

so I
A  A  A thought I'd post.
A  A  A So, I'll just explain my situation, right now:
A  A  A I've been playing classical guitar for about 5 years. A I 
play

lots of
A  A  A baroque and renaissance music, love the stuff. A I'd really
like to
A  A try
A  A  A playing a lute or two before deciding if I want to make the
A  A investment
A  A  A in buying one. A As of right now, I don't have much over $500
to spend
A  A  A (I know that's not probably enough for one that's really 
worth

A  A having,
A  A  A unless I get a good price on a used one or something), 
but I'm

A  A  A *willing* to spend more, just don't have it *now*. A (I'm a
college
A  A  A student, nuff said?)
A  A  A I live in the Chicago area, and have asked around if there's
anyplace
A  A  A in the area whatsoever that makes lutes, and have tried 
looking

A  A online,
A  A  A but haven't found anything. A I've asked around at 
renaissance

faires,
A  A  A as well, and, again, just was directed here by one lutenist.
A  A  A So, any advice as to what a beginning lutenist should do?
A Where to
A  A go
A  A  A to try a lute for the first time and see if it is really
something
A  A for
A  A  A him? A I've been thinking an 8 course lute would be good for
the
A  A pieces
A  A  A I play to play...Bach and Dowland and the like? A Any general
advice
A  A is
A  A  A also appreciated.
A  A  A -Jim
A  A  A --
A  A To get on or off this list see list information at

  A  A [2][6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
  A  A --
  References
  A  A 1.
  
[7]http://www.earlymusicshop.com/product.aspx/en-GB/1000655-ems-8-co

  urse-renaissance-lute
  A  A 2. [8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

--

A

Bruno Cognyl-Fournier

A

[9]www.estavel.org

A

--

References

1. mailto:willsam...@yahoo.co.uk
2. 
http://www.earlymusicshop.com/product.aspx/en-GB/1000655-ems-8-cours

3. mailto:jimastr...@yahoo.com
4. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
5. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
7.
http://www.earlymusicshop.com/product.aspx/en-GB/1000655-ems-8-course-

[LUTE] Re: My First Lute

2012-08-01 Thread Christopher Stetson
   Hi, all,
   There seems to be a new generation of lutes and baroque guitars from
   Mid-East or a similar company.  The exterior seems to be more finished
   and "authentic", at least to judge by the photos, and the price is
   about double.  They also credit Zachary Taylor with the designs.  Does
   anyone have experience of these?
   Best to all,
   Chris.

   On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Toby <[1]t...@tobiah.org> wrote:

   On 07/31/2012 03:25 PM, A.J. Padilla MD wrote:

 As I recall, over the years there have been several threads about
 the
 Pakistani lutes, all pretty much negative, essentially to the effect
 that
 you need all new strings, have to change the action by altering the
 fingerboard and/or bridge and/or nut, and tolerate a thick,
 poorly-made
 soundboard, they're ok.

 That's all quite fair.  I bought one from eBay years ago.  It was
 playable,
 and made sound.  It reminded me of one of those cheap ukuleles that
 you
 can pick up at a gift shop in Hawaii.  It did enough to let me know
 whether I wanted to pursue playing on a lute.  In the end I decided
 to stick with a retuned classical guitar because I found it
 difficult
 to go back and forth between the two, due to the great difference in
 spacing between the strings.


 If you can get into the lute archives, the stuff is there.
 I have no personal experience with those instruments, however.
 Note that the Lute Society (in the UK) has a list of luthiers both
 in Europe
 and N America. I would think that the LSA (Lute Society of America)
 has a
 similar list.
 Do you perchance have a firstborn child, or an extra gonad, or
 perhaps a
 kidney you might want to offer for a "real" lute?
 Al Padilla
 -Original Message-
 From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 [mailto:[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf
 Of Bruno Fournier
 Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:06 PM
 To: William Samson
 Cc: Jim Ammeson; [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: My First Lute
 I would suggest you try and rent one from a local lutenist, or
 perhaps
 check with the university music faculty if there would be one
 available
 on loan.
 A
 regards
 A
 Bruno Cognyl-Fournier
 Montreal Canada
 A
 A
 On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:32 PM, William Samson
 <[1][5]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk>  wrote:
   A  A A difficult one, Jim. A Most lutes are built to order for
 a
   customer -
   A  A unfortunate because the customer doesn't get a chance to
 try it
   before
   A  A committing to buy it!
   A  A There are, however, some off-the-peg lutes available. A
 Closest
   to your
   A  A price range are the lutes built (in Pakistan??) for the
 Early
   Music
   A  A Shop in England
   A
   A
 [1][2][6]http://www.earlymusicshop.com/product.aspx/en-GB/1000655-em
 s
   -8-cours
   A  A e-renaissance-lute A  I have recently seen and tried one
 of
   these and
   A  A found it to play very well. A I don't know if similar
 lutes are
   A  A available in the US but would be surprised if they
 aren't.
   A  A The other possibility is the second-hand market, but
 you're in
   the lap
   A  A of the gods, there.
   A  A Good luck in your quest!
   A  A Bill
   A  A From: Jim Ammeson<[3][7]jimastr...@yahoo.com>
   A  A To:
 "[4][8]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu"<[5][9]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   A  A Sent: Tuesday, 31 July 2012, 17:31
   A  A Subject: [LUTE] My First Lute
 A  A  A So, I've been considering buying a lute for a few years
 now,
 but I've
 A  A  A had trouble finding places I can really try playing one
 or many
 A  A people
 A  A  A I can talk to about them. A (Lutes are a bit of a niche
 thing,
 I
 A  A know.)
 A  A  A A lutenist at the local renaissance faire suggested this
 list,
 so I
 A  A  A thought I'd post.
 A  A  A So, I'll just explain my situation, right now:
 A  A  A I've been playing classical guitar for about 5 years. A
 I play
 lots of
 A  A  A baroque and renaissance music, love the stuff. A I'd
 really
 like to
 A  A try
 A  A  A playing a lute or two before deciding if I want to make
 the
 A  A investment
 A  A  A in buying one. A As of right now, I don't have much over
 $500
 to spend
 A  A  A (I know that's not probably enough for one that's really
 worth
 A  A having,
 A  A  A unless I get a good price on a used one or something),
 but I'm
 A  

[LUTE] Re: My First Lute

2012-08-01 Thread Toby

On 07/31/2012 03:25 PM, A.J. Padilla MD wrote:

As I recall, over the years there have been several threads about the
Pakistani lutes, all pretty much negative, essentially to the effect that
you need all new strings, have to change the action by altering the
fingerboard and/or bridge and/or nut, and tolerate a thick, poorly-made
soundboard, they're ok.


That's all quite fair.  I bought one from eBay years ago.  It was playable,
and made sound.  It reminded me of one of those cheap ukuleles that you
can pick up at a gift shop in Hawaii.  It did enough to let me know
whether I wanted to pursue playing on a lute.  In the end I decided
to stick with a retuned classical guitar because I found it difficult
to go back and forth between the two, due to the great difference in
spacing between the strings.

 

If you can get into the lute archives, the stuff is there.
I have no personal experience with those instruments, however.
Note that the Lute Society (in the UK) has a list of luthiers both in Europe
and N America. I would think that the LSA (Lute Society of America) has a
similar list.
Do you perchance have a firstborn child, or an extra gonad, or perhaps a
kidney you might want to offer for a "real" lute?
Al Padilla

-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf
Of Bruno Fournier
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:06 PM
To: William Samson
Cc: Jim Ammeson; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: My First Lute

I would suggest you try and rent one from a local lutenist, or perhaps
check with the university music faculty if there would be one available
on loan.

A

regards

A

Bruno Cognyl-Fournier

Montreal Canada

A

A

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:32 PM, William Samson
<[1]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk>  wrote:

  A  A A difficult one, Jim. A Most lutes are built to order for a
  customer -
  A  A unfortunate because the customer doesn't get a chance to try it
  before
  A  A committing to buy it!
  A  A There are, however, some off-the-peg lutes available. A Closest
  to your
  A  A price range are the lutes built (in Pakistan??) for the Early
  Music
  A  A Shop in England
  A
  A [1][2]http://www.earlymusicshop.com/product.aspx/en-GB/1000655-ems
  -8-cours
  A  A e-renaissance-lute A  I have recently seen and tried one of
  these and
  A  A found it to play very well. A I don't know if similar lutes are
  A  A available in the US but would be surprised if they aren't.
  A  A The other possibility is the second-hand market, but you're in
  the lap
  A  A of the gods, there.
  A  A Good luck in your quest!
  A  A Bill
  A  A From: Jim Ammeson<[3]jimastr...@yahoo.com>
  A  A To: "[4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu"<[5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
  A  A Sent: Tuesday, 31 July 2012, 17:31
  A  A Subject: [LUTE] My First Lute

A  A  A So, I've been considering buying a lute for a few years now,
but I've
A  A  A had trouble finding places I can really try playing one or many
A  A people
A  A  A I can talk to about them. A (Lutes are a bit of a niche thing,
I
A  A know.)
A  A  A A lutenist at the local renaissance faire suggested this list,
so I
A  A  A thought I'd post.
A  A  A So, I'll just explain my situation, right now:
A  A  A I've been playing classical guitar for about 5 years. A I play
lots of
A  A  A baroque and renaissance music, love the stuff. A I'd really
like to
A  A try
A  A  A playing a lute or two before deciding if I want to make the
A  A investment
A  A  A in buying one. A As of right now, I don't have much over $500
to spend
A  A  A (I know that's not probably enough for one that's really worth
A  A having,
A  A  A unless I get a good price on a used one or something), but I'm
A  A  A *willing* to spend more, just don't have it *now*. A (I'm a
college
A  A  A student, nuff said?)
A  A  A I live in the Chicago area, and have asked around if there's
anyplace
A  A  A in the area whatsoever that makes lutes, and have tried looking
A  A online,
A  A  A but haven't found anything. A I've asked around at renaissance
faires,
A  A  A as well, and, again, just was directed here by one lutenist.
A  A  A So, any advice as to what a beginning lutenist should do?
A Where to
A  A go
A  A  A to try a lute for the first time and see if it is really
something
A  A for
A  A  A him? A I've been thinking an 8 course lute would be good for
the
A  A pieces
A  A  A I play to play...Bach and Dowland and the like? A Any general
advice
A  A is
A  A  A also appreciated.
A  A  A -Jim
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  A  A --
  Refere

[LUTE] Re: A Toy: meaning?

2012-08-01 Thread David van Ooijen
Thanks to all and sundry who shared their musings on the word 'toy',
as well as pointing me to the lyrics of The Hunt('/e)s Up(e).

Howard was kind enough to correct my English, I _was_ wondering why
the OED was so hard to read. Anyway, it shows I still need an English
dictionary. And I owe Howard a warm thank you for the Shakespeare
search site.
> www.rhymezone.com/shakespeare/
It brought me gems like this one, showing that lute cases back then
were just as much in demand as now:
>>
They will steal any thing, and call it purchase. Bardolph stole a
lute-case, bore it twelve leagues, and sold it for  three half pence.
<<
I need a new lute case, does somebody have the e-mail address of Bardolph?

David

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