[BAROQUE-LUTE] Advice from Burwell
Lute playing advice from the Burwell Lute Tutor - for french baroque lute: To make people dance withthe lute it is improper; it is true that a young lady may dance the saraband withher lute, and that is all. It is neither proper to sing with the lute, it beinga perfect consort of itself; for the voice is but a repetition of the treble,and if you sing the treble or any other part (for you can sing but one) thatpart will drown the others. This instrument requireth silence and a serious attention.It is used commonly at the going to bed of the Kings of France, and that timeis the time of most rest and silence. If you will play well of the lute youmust not play too many lessons nor use many several tunings at once. If youwill play upon several tunings, you must have several lutes. In conclusion, thegreatest error that is in playing upon the lute is to play too fast, and not tokeep the time, and not to use the right fingers. Without that, play never sowell, you are but a bungler and fit only to amaze the ignorant sort of peopleand make a fool of yourself! . p62 From Miss Mary Burwell's Instruction Book for the Lute: Thurston Dart. The Galpin Society Journal, Vol. 11 (May, 1958), pp. 3-62 -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Lutz Kirchhof about the lute as a romantic instrument
Hi all, My friend Lutz about the lute as a romantic instrument. Some of his ideas seem pretty far fetched for my taste - but as always when Lutz develops a new idea it's well worth thinking about it. Maybe it deals as the start of a discussion? And the musical examples are among the finest of the late baroque lute repertoire: [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v,8rtmq3DAYfeature=endscreen Best wishes Thomas -- Thomas Schall Doerflistrasse 2 CH-6078 Lungern -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v,8rtmq3DAYfeature=endscreen To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Lutz Kirchhof about the lute as a romantic instrument
Sorry - its me again: I've sent the wrong link. a working link is [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHobBD7FR1Qfeature=plcp Best wishes Thomas Am 01.11.2012 18:20, schrieb Thomas Schall: Hi all, My friend Lutz about the lute as a romantic instrument. Some of his ideas seem pretty far fetched for my taste - but as always when Lutz develops a new idea it's well worth thinking about it. Maybe it deals as the start of a discussion? And the musical examples are among the finest of the late baroque lute repertoire: [1][2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v,8rtmq3DAYfeature=endscreen Best wishes Thomas -- Thomas Schall Doerflistrasse 2 CH-6078 Lungern -- References 1. [3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v,8rtmq3DAYfeature=endscreen To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Thomas Schall Doerflistrasse 2 CH-6078 Lungern -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHobBD7FR1Qfeature=plcp 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v,8rtmq3DAYfeature=endscreen 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v,8rtmq3DAYfeature=endscreen 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Lutz Kirchhof about the lute as a romantic instrument
My friend Lutz about the lute as a romantic instrument. Some of his ideas seem pretty far fetched for my taste - but as always when Lutz develops a new idea it's well worth thinking about it. In terms of history, lutes certainly belong to the renaissance and baroque eras and were no more than a loveable memory during the romantic period (generally as of the early 19th century) when lute more often than not actually implied the guitar, especially in Germany. However, I seem to understand Lutz's suggestions as focussing on our modern approach to the HIP lute. Why and how do us folks turn to the lute? And in doing so, he picks up concepts of romanticism. Romanticism and its concepts as such may be obsolete today. Yet they may be instrumental in describing the way modern people conceive HIP lutes and their music. Thank you, Thomas, or drawing our attention to that contribution! Mathias To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Lutz Kirchhof about the lute as a romantic instrument
I guess Lutz point would be the old lutenist anticipated (some) ideas of the romantic period. I don't completely agree - because the concept of the genius is missing (just to name one element) but it seems true that lute players of the period partly followed concepts which were not common at that time and maybe could be called romantic. Best regards Thomas Am 01.11.2012 22:03, schrieb Mathias Roesel: concepts of romanticism. Romanticism and its concepts as such may be obsolete today. Yet they may be instrumental in describing the way modern people conceive HIP lutes and their music. Thank you, Tho -- Thomas Schall Doerflistrasse 2 CH-6078 Lungern -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Instruments for sale
Dear All, Recently I moved from England to Germany (if anyone is interested, why, I will be happy to answer any personal question). In connection with the associated financial trouble I offer the following instruments for sale: - A well playable Renaissance Student Lute from Early Music Shop Saltaire ([1]http://www.earlymusicshop.com/product.aspx/en-GB/1003180-ems-7-cour se-renaissance-lute) - A 9 string Liuto Forte in E ([2]http://www.liuto-forte.de/en/modelle/mod_02.html) - Classical Guitar Ramirez R4 ([3]http://ramirezguitars.us/guitars/r4) - Guitar from the 1920s, which is not of a particularly high quality, but has some charm with its carved rose. It would need some refurbishment, but is already well playable. Pictures and more information on request. All prices negotiable. Best regards Franz -- References 1. https://service.gmx.net/de/cgi/derefer?TYPE=3DEST=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.earlymusicshop.com%2Fproduct.aspx%2Fen-GB%2F1003180-ems-7-course-renaissance-lute 2. http://www.liuto-forte.de/en/modelle/mod_02.html 3. http://ramirezguitars.us/guitars/r4 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Oud as Lute?
Josh, You could re-sting an oud, put frets on it, and tune it as a pseudo-lute. I assume by lute you mean a six-course renaissance instrument, but there are some major drawbacks that would make it an impractical stand in for this. The neck is much shorter, which means that you won't be able to play the upper register of pieces that require this unless you fret a lot of (fretless) notes on the body. In Arabic music the oud is almost entirely used to play single line melodies, so the courses are closer together, which would make it difficult to play chords. Also, most ouds, being constructed to be played with a plectrum, are far more heavily built than lutes, which means that you won't get much benefit out of playing with period right hand technique. Certainly purchase the oud if you like it as an oud. It's a fun instrument all on it's own. Considering all the compromises needed to make an oud act like a lute, however, I would say a much better alternative is to just use a guitar if you can't afford a true lute. Chris Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A. Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer www.christopherwilke.com __ From: Joshua Horn joshua-h...@att.net To: Lute Mailing List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:58 PM Subject: [LUTE] Oud as Lute? Hi ya'll, I have an Oud that's come my way that I can afford to buy. Can an Oud be made to play as a Lute?? Is there any major differences that would make it impossible to play as a Lute? Josh + Joshua Edward Horn + -- To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Oud as Lute?
Hello A As an Oud player as well as a renaissance lute player, I would not recommend buying an Oud to play renaissance music.A It will sound awful even if you putA frets, andA you won't be able to tune it up to G ( OudsA first strings are ususally no higher than D or CA -- equivalent to second string Guitar 1st or 3rd fret)A A and you will not be able to play any of the tablature that involves anything more than single line melody. A Keep the Oud to play some medieval spanish music, Cantigas de Santa Maria, sounds great on that, or learn Arabic music.A A good approach for our western ears to Oud, is to play Sephardic jewsish music or Algerian and Moroccan Andalucian music ( no quarter tones in those styles). Anyway without frets and your western ear, you will find yourself constantly adjusting your fingers on the neck to be in pitch ( unless you are really used to hearing quarter tones...) A If you can't afford a lute, stick with a guitar tuned and a capo on third fret. will sound much better than on an Oud, we all went though this and its is well worth the wait to buy a real lute, than to play on instruments that have been modified to resemble a lute. A Bruno [1]www.estavel.org On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Christopher Wilke [2]chriswi...@yahoo.com wrote: A A Josh, A A A A You could re-sting an oud, put frets on it, and tune it as a A A pseudo-lute. I assume by lute you mean a six-course renaissance A A instrument, but there are some major drawbacks that would make it an A A impractical stand in for this. The neck is much shorter, which means A A that you won't be able to play the upper register of pieces that A A require this unless you fret a lot of (fretless) notes on the body. In A A Arabic music the oud is almost entirely used to play single line A A melodies, so the courses are closer together, which would make it A A difficult to play chords. Also, most ouds, being constructed to be A A played with a plectrum, are far more heavily built than lutes, which A A means that you won't get much benefit out of playing with period right A A hand technique. A A A A Certainly purchase the oud if you like it as an oud. It's a fun A A instrument all on it's own. Considering all the compromises needed to A A make an oud act like a lute, however, I would say a much better A A alternative is to just use a guitar if you can't afford a true lute. A A Chris A A Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A. A A Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer A A [3]www.christopherwilke.com A A A __ A A From: Joshua Horn [4]joshua-h...@att.net A A To: Lute Mailing List [5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu A A Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:58 PM A A Subject: [LUTE] Oud as Lute? A A A A Hi ya'll, A A A I have an Oud that's come my way that I can afford to buy. Can an Oud A A A be made to play as a Lute?? Is there any major differences that would A A A make it impossible to play as a Lute? A A A Josh A A A + Joshua Edward Horn + A A A -- A A To get on or off this list see list information at A A [1][6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html A A -- References A A 1. [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier A [8]www.estavel.org A -- References 1. http://www.estavel.org/ 2. mailto:chriswi...@yahoo.com 3. http://www.christopherwilke.com/ 4. mailto:joshua-h...@att.net 5. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 8. http://www.estavel.org/
[LUTE] Re: Oud as Lute?
Very sensible advice! On 01.11.2012, at 11:24, Bruno Fournier br...@estavel.org wrote: Hello A As an Oud player as well as a renaissance lute player, I would not recommend buying an Oud to play renaissance music.A It will sound awful even if you putA frets, andA you won't be able to tune it up to G ( OudsA first strings are ususally no higher than D or CA -- equivalent to second string Guitar 1st or 3rd fret)A A and you will not be able to play any of the tablature that involves anything more than single line melody. A Keep the Oud to play some medieval spanish music, Cantigas de Santa Maria, sounds great on that, or learn Arabic music.A A good approach for our western ears to Oud, is to play Sephardic jewsish music or Algerian and Moroccan Andalucian music ( no quarter tones in those styles). Anyway without frets and your western ear, you will find yourself constantly adjusting your fingers on the neck to be in pitch ( unless you are really used to hearing quarter tones...) A If you can't afford a lute, stick with a guitar tuned and a capo on third fret. will sound much better than on an Oud, we all went though this and its is well worth the wait to buy a real lute, than to play on instruments that have been modified to resemble a lute. A Bruno [1]www.estavel.org On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Christopher Wilke [2]chriswi...@yahoo.com wrote: A A Josh, A A A A You could re-sting an oud, put frets on it, and tune it as a A A pseudo-lute. I assume by lute you mean a six-course renaissance A A instrument, but there are some major drawbacks that would make it an A A impractical stand in for this. The neck is much shorter, which means A A that you won't be able to play the upper register of pieces that A A require this unless you fret a lot of (fretless) notes on the body. In A A Arabic music the oud is almost entirely used to play single line A A melodies, so the courses are closer together, which would make it A A difficult to play chords. Also, most ouds, being constructed to be A A played with a plectrum, are far more heavily built than lutes, which A A means that you won't get much benefit out of playing with period right A A hand technique. A A A A Certainly purchase the oud if you like it as an oud. It's a fun A A instrument all on it's own. Considering all the compromises needed to A A make an oud act like a lute, however, I would say a much better A A alternative is to just use a guitar if you can't afford a true lute. A A Chris A A Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A. A A Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer A A [3]www.christopherwilke.com A A A __ A A From: Joshua Horn [4]joshua-h...@att.net A A To: Lute Mailing List [5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu A A Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:58 PM A A Subject: [LUTE] Oud as Lute? A A A A Hi ya'll, A A A I have an Oud that's come my way that I can afford to buy. Can an Oud A A A be made to play as a Lute?? Is there any major differences that would A A A make it impossible to play as a Lute? A A A Josh A A A + Joshua Edward Horn + A A A -- A A To get on or off this list see list information at A A [1][6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html A A -- References A A 1. [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier A [8]www.estavel.org A -- References 1. http://www.estavel.org/ 2. mailto:chriswi...@yahoo.com 3. http://www.christopherwilke.com/ 4. mailto:joshua-h...@att.net 5. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 8. http://www.estavel.org/
[LUTE] Cantio Sarmatoruthenica CIII
http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/407.mp3 http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/407.pdf Enjoy. Amities, RT Two new Cantiones: CII - [1]http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/406.mp3 [2]http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/406.pdf CI - [3]http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/405.mp3 [4]http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/405.pdf Enjoy, RT -- References 1. http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/405.mp3 2. http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/405.pdf 3. http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/405.mp3 4. http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/405.pdf To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Oud as Lute?
One other practical drawback is that the neck-head joint of most ouds prevents tying on the first fret in its proper position. On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com wrote: Josh, You could re-sting an oud, put frets on it, and tune it as a pseudo-lute. I assume by lute you mean a six-course renaissance instrument, but there are some major drawbacks that would make it an impractical stand in for this. The neck is much shorter, which means that you won't be able to play the upper register of pieces that require this unless you fret a lot of (fretless) notes on the body. In Arabic music the oud is almost entirely used to play single line melodies, so the courses are closer together, which would make it difficult to play chords. Also, most ouds, being constructed to be played with a plectrum, are far more heavily built than lutes, which means that you won't get much benefit out of playing with period right hand technique. Certainly purchase the oud if you like it as an oud. It's a fun instrument all on it's own. Considering all the compromises needed to make an oud act like a lute, however, I would say a much better alternative is to just use a guitar if you can't afford a true lute. Chris Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A. Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer www.christopherwilke.com __ From: Joshua Horn joshua-h...@att.net To: Lute Mailing List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:58 PM Subject: [LUTE] Oud as Lute? Hi ya'll, I have an Oud that's come my way that I can afford to buy. Can an Oud be made to play as a Lute?? Is there any major differences that would make it impossible to play as a Lute? Josh + Joshua Edward Horn + -- To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chitarrone
Research into the Chitarrone stopped after the publication of the famous article by Spencer, et al. This had the astonishing effect of erasing, removing and deleting the Chitarrone from the early music performance revival. Collateral effects include the sidelining of the many other types of extended neck instruments that were developed in the early 17th century. Renewed interest into the research of this and other instruments will yield clues as to the specific meanings of the contemporaneous terms as well as hopefully renew interest in playing the instruments. Erasing instruments is not new; the dulcian was completely erased for decades before one was discovered with an identifying label in a sunken pirate ship. Now people are playing it again. --- On Tue, 10/16/12, Bruno Correia bruno.l...@gmail.com wrote: From: Bruno Correia bruno.l...@gmail.com Subject: [LUTE] Chitarrone To: List LUTELIST lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Tuesday, October 16, 2012, 6:11 PM The Grove Dictionaire says about the chitarrone: The type of lute denoted by this humanist, classicizing term (chitarrone means, literally, a large kithara) was associated particularly with Jacopo Peri, Giulio Caccini and the other early writers of monody from the 1590s until about 1630. Has anybody challenged this etymology? Wouldn't be safe to say it simply derived from the chitarra (guitar)? Is was developed in the first place to acompany, playing chordally from a contino line, just as the 5 course guitar would do, though without the struming technique. The solo repertoire that came later looks very close to the guitar writing: chords a little counterpoint, arpeggios, slurs, campanellas efect e so on... -- Bruno Correia Pesquisador autonomo da pratica e interpretac,ao historicamente informada no alaude e teorba. Doutor em Praticas Interpretativas pela Universidade Federal do Estado do Rio de Janeiro. -- To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chitarrone
Actually this original message was followed by an extended discussion. The newest seminal study at least of the etymology of the term chitarrone is R. Meucci, 'Da 'chitarra italiana' a 'chitarrone' - una nuova interpretazione', in Enrico Radesca di Foggia e il suo tempo (atti del Convegno di studi, Foggia, 7-8 Aprile 2000), ed. Francesca Seller (Lucca, LIM, 2001), pp.37-57 Monica - Original Message - From: David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net To: lute lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 6:28 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Chitarrone Research into the Chitarrone stopped after the publication of the famous article by Spencer, et al. This had the astonishing effect of erasing, removing and deleting the Chitarrone from the early music performance revival. Collateral effects include the sidelining of the many other types of extended neck instruments that were developed in the early 17th century. Renewed interest into the research of this and other instruments will yield clues as to the specific meanings of the contemporaneous terms as well as hopefully renew interest in playing the instruments. Erasing instruments is not new; the dulcian was completely erased for decades before one was discovered with an identifying label in a sunken pirate ship. Now people are playing it again. --- On Tue, 10/16/12, Bruno Correia bruno.l...@gmail.com wrote: From: Bruno Correia bruno.l...@gmail.com Subject: [LUTE] Chitarrone To: List LUTELIST lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Tuesday, October 16, 2012, 6:11 PM The Grove Dictionaire says about the chitarrone: The type of lute denoted by this humanist, classicizing term (chitarrone means, literally, a large kithara) was associated particularly with Jacopo Peri, Giulio Caccini and the other early writers of monody from the 1590s until about 1630. Has anybody challenged this etymology? Wouldn't be safe to say it simply derived from the chitarra (guitar)? Is was developed in the first place to acompany, playing chordally from a contino line, just as the 5 course guitar would do, though without the struming technique. The solo repertoire that came later looks very close to the guitar writing: chords a little counterpoint, arpeggios, slurs, campanellas efect e so on... -- Bruno Correia Pesquisador autonomo da pratica e interpretac,ao historicamente informada no alaude e teorba. Doutor em Praticas Interpretativas pela Universidade Federal do Estado do Rio de Janeiro. -- To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chitarrone
Fertile ground? r -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of William Samson Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 3:47 PM To: David Tayler; lute Subject: [LUTE] Re: Chitarrone I'm afraid you are correct, David. Of course Bob Spencer isn't to blame - he just wrote up what was known at the time. The trouble is that much of what is now known (and much of what was known in Spencer's time too) hasn't been put into practice by musicians. How many performances using the 'English' theorbo, with stepped nuts and double courses in the diapasons, have we heard? And yet the late 17th century was a very rich time in the development of music and instruments. According to Mace this theorbo sometimes had only the top course tuned down an octave - There aren't many theorboes tuned like that these days. There's still plenty of fallow ground for players of plucked instruments who are prepared to stray from the mainstream and for researchers to back them up. Bill From: David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net To: lute lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2012, 18:28 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Chitarrone Research into the Chitarrone stopped after the publication of the famous article by Spencer, et al. This had the astonishing effect of erasing, removing and deleting the Chitarrone from the early music performance revival. Collateral effects include the sidelining of the many other types of extended neck instruments that were developed in the early 17th century. Renewed interest into the research of this and other instruments will yield clues as to the specific meanings of the contemporaneous terms as well as hopefully renew interest in playing the instruments. Erasing instruments is not new; the dulcian was completely erased for decades before one was discovered with an identifying label in a sunken pirate ship. Now people are playing it again. --- On Tue, 10/16/12, Bruno Correia [1]bruno.l...@gmail.com wrote: From: Bruno Correia [2]bruno.l...@gmail.com Subject: [LUTE] Chitarrone To: List LUTELIST [3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Tuesday, October 16, 2012, 6:11 PM The Grove Dictionaire says about the chitarrone: The type of lute denoted by this humanist, classicizing term (chitarrone means, literally, a large kithara) was associated particularly with Jacopo Peri, Giulio Caccini and the other early writers of monody from the 1590s until about 1630. Has anybody challenged this etymology? Wouldn't be safe to say it simply derived from the chitarra (guitar)? Is was developed in the first place to acompany, playing chordally from a contino line, just as the 5 course guitar would do, though without the struming technique. The solo repertoire that came later looks very close to the guitar writing: chords a little counterpoint, arpeggios, slurs, campanellas efect e so on... -- Bruno Correia Pesquisador autonomo da pratica e interpretac,ao historicamente informada no alaude e teorba. Doutor em Praticas Interpretativas pela Universidade Federal do Estado do Rio de Janeiro. -- To get on or off this list see list information at [1][4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:bruno.l...@gmail.com 2. mailto:bruno.l...@gmail.com 3. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Albrecht Werl lute book
Dear everybody, Currently, I'm copying some pieces from the Werl ms. into Fronimo, viz. anonymous pieces in the Flat tuning that do not appear in other sources (unicum). Has somebody been into this before? Is somebody interested in this stuff or willing to cooperate? Best wishes, Mathias -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lutz Kirchhof about the lute as a romantic instrument
I guess Lutz point would be the old lutenist anticipated (some) ideas of the romantic period. I don't completely agree - because the concept of the genius is missing (just to name one element) but it seems true that lute players of the period partly followed concepts which were not common at that time and maybe could be called romantic. Not convinced. But, well, there's no need to, because we'll never know, anyway, how, and if at all, lutenists of old, viewed nativeness, nature, genius, remoteness, emotionalism and so on, unless they have explicitly written about those topics. And they haven't, as far as I'm aware. And I hasten to add that Playing music by the Bayreuth pack in an empfindsam manner, is entirely okay with me. But that's a matter of our modern approach IMO. Mathias Best regards Thomas Am 01.11.2012 22:03, schrieb Mathias Roesel: concepts of romanticism. Romanticism and its concepts as such may be obsolete today. Yet they may be instrumental in describing the way modern people conceive HIP lutes and their music. Thank you, Tho To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
