[LUTE] The illusory truth effect [was: Re: Francesco//Siena 62 - "5th Mode" - Raga Kamod
For what it's worth, here is a reminder of an experiment how false claims, repeated over and over again, become accepted by some individuals. Tristan, I see your attempts to convince people precisely in this line of practice. To simply your google research, here's a link to a wiki article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_truth_effect Enjoy reading Jurgen -- “There is a voice that doesn’t use words. Listen.” Jalāl ad-Dīn Muhammad Rumi ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On 9 August 2018 2:07 AM, Tristan von Neumann wrote: > This version is even better. > > Imagine this is the late 16th century singing by the Donne di Ferrara or > similar groups... > > https://soundcloud.com/tristan-von-neumann/francesco-siena-no-62-eri-jaane-na-doongi-raga-kamod-nirali-kartik-version-iii > > Am 08.08.2018 um 19:22 schrieb Tristan von Neumann: > > > Dear Lutists, > > Francesco and Ganassi fans will rejoice over this sweet unification as > > Ronu Majumdar plays quite some improv "over" the Francesco background. > > https://soundcloud.com/tristan-von-neumann/siena-62-francesco-raga-kamod-ronu-majumdar > > Sorry for the not so beautiful playing, it's quite heavy for me to > > concentrate on the groove while playing right. > > But I hope to prove a point - that is that the criteria of choice in the > > Siena Ms. seem to be conciously implying that modes also have a certain > > overarching structure that must be followed, hence the great similarity > > in many of the fantasies of the same mode. > > Maybe a better lutist than yours truly can do a better mix - the Raga is > > to be found on youtube and can be used as a playback. > > I did not change the pitch, so this should work with a G lute. > > Also other places to insert this or similar fantasies may appear when > > trying something. > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Vincenzo Galilei // Contrapunto Secondo BM - Eri Jaane Na Doongi
And again, it can get even better. Improved alignment - these rhythms are complex... .and it's a long version! Fun Fact: This is a film song from the 1964 movie "Chitralekha", based on Raga Kamod. This would be like a newly composed ciacona with modern English lyrics for a movie (I think this has happened even). Nevertheless, the clear structure made it suitable for this mix. https://soundcloud.com/tristan-von-neumann/vincenzo-galilei-contrapunto-secondo-bm-eri-jaane-na-doongi-nirali-kartik-long Am 08.08.2018 um 22:53 schrieb Tristan von Neumann: Again, when you think it can't get any better... This Raga performance is so close to the infamous BM Counterpoint - note the percussion. https://soundcloud.com/tristan-von-neumann/vincenzo-galilei-contrapunto-secondo-bm-raga-kamod-nirali-kirtak To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Vincenzo Galilei // Contrapunto Secondo BM - Eri Jaane Na Doongi
Again, when you think it can't get any better... This Raga performance is so close to the infamous BM Counterpoint - note the percussion. https://soundcloud.com/tristan-von-neumann/vincenzo-galilei-contrapunto-secondo-bm-raga-kamod-nirali-kirtak To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Francesco//Siena 62 - "5th Mode" - Raga Kamod
This version is even better. Imagine this is the late 16th century singing by the Donne di Ferrara or similar groups... https://soundcloud.com/tristan-von-neumann/francesco-siena-no-62-eri-jaane-na-doongi-raga-kamod-nirali-kartik-version-iii Am 08.08.2018 um 19:22 schrieb Tristan von Neumann: Dear Lutists, Francesco and Ganassi fans will rejoice over this sweet unification as Ronu Majumdar plays quite some improv "over" the Francesco background. https://soundcloud.com/tristan-von-neumann/siena-62-francesco-raga-kamod-ronu-majumdar Sorry for the not so beautiful playing, it's quite heavy for me to concentrate on the groove while playing right. But I hope to prove a point - that is that the criteria of choice in the Siena Ms. seem to be conciously implying that modes also have a certain overarching structure that must be followed, hence the great similarity in many of the fantasies of the same mode. Maybe a better lutist than yours truly can do a better mix - the Raga is to be found on youtube and can be used as a playback. I did not change the pitch, so this should work with a G lute. Also other places to insert this or similar fantasies may appear when trying something. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Francesco//Siena 62 - "5th Mode" - Raga Kamod
Dear Lutists, Francesco and Ganassi fans will rejoice over this sweet unification as Ronu Majumdar plays quite some improv "over" the Francesco background. https://soundcloud.com/tristan-von-neumann/siena-62-francesco-raga-kamod-ronu-majumdar Sorry for the not so beautiful playing, it's quite heavy for me to concentrate on the groove while playing right. But I hope to prove a point - that is that the criteria of choice in the Siena Ms. seem to be conciously implying that modes also have a certain overarching structure that must be followed, hence the great similarity in many of the fantasies of the same mode. Maybe a better lutist than yours truly can do a better mix - the Raga is to be found on youtube and can be used as a playback. I did not change the pitch, so this should work with a G lute. Also other places to insert this or similar fantasies may appear when trying something. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Dowland's Courante
Actually, in the complete works of Dowland recorded by the Consort of Musicke, CD12: "From Thomas Simpson, Taffel Consort (121)" is already identified as "Were every thought an eye". The recording was made around 1977. Matteo CD 13, Tack 3 On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 at 10:12, Ron Andrico <[1]praelu...@hotmail.com> wrote: Congratulations, Stewart. It appears you have discovered a new concordance. If it had been known previously, surely Peter Holman would have mentioned the concordance in his notes to his recording An Englishman Abroad: Consort music composed, arranged and collected by Thomas Simpson (1582 -1628), Hyperion CDA66435, 1991. Snatches of many other of Dowland's songs have crept into the dance tune repertory, and your discovery adds to the pile. RA __ From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf of Stewart McCoy <[4]lu...@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 11:39 PM To: Lute Net Subject: [LUTE] Dowland's Courante This evening I had the pleasure of playing Dowland's "Were every thought an eye" from his Pilgrimes Solace (1612). It seemed very familiar, and then I recognised it as Dowland's Courante in Thomas Simpson's Taffel-Consort (1621). I didn't know of this concordance. I can find no mention of it in Diana Poulton's book John Dowland, and no mention in the introduction to the Scolar Press facsimile of A Pilgrimes Solace. Have I discovered something new, or is it already common knowledge? Stewart McCoy -- To get on or off this list see list information at [1][5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html [2]Lute Mail list technical information [6]www.cs.dartmouth.edu Frequently Asked Technical Questions about the lute mail list. getting on and off the list; How do I get on the lute mail list? How do I get off the lute mail list? -- References 1. [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 2. [8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:praelu...@hotmail.com 2. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:lu...@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/ 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti [Was: Re: Composers you wish had a bigger legacy
I'm just googling around for Bartolotti's works and I only found paid versions on sites that just repost the faksimile. Would anybody here have a link to an online downloadable source of either book (Florence 1640 and Rome 1655)? Jurgen -- “There is a voice that doesn’t use words. Listen.” Jalāl ad-Dīn Muhammad Rumi ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On 8 August 2018 9:45 AM, Braig, Eugene wrote: > Well, not individual pieces, but a cycle when taken in whole. His first > guitar book opens with a set of 24 passacaglias spanning all keys, the last > few bars of each modulating to the next implying the possibility of through > performance of any select set in series. > > Best, > Eugene > > -Original Message- > From: Mayes, Joseph ma...@rowan.edu > Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 10:24 PM > To: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu; Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com > Cc: Lutelist Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Composers you wish had a bigger legacy > > OK I completely agree that Bartolotti is a wonderful and underappreciated > composer. But I have not encountered much chromatic music. Of course, I am > only familiar with his guitar music - are we talking about something else? > > Joseph Mayes > > From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu on behalf of > Christopher Wilke chriswi...@cs.dartmouth.edu > Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 11:48 AM > To: Braig, Eugene > Cc: Lutelist Net > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Composers you wish had a bigger legacy > > I move that Bartolotti be posthumously be given a "Chromy" award for > his contribution to chromatic music. May his rainbow-color bust now > join the ones of Gesualdo, Wagner and Schoenberg already in the > Chromatic Composers Hall of Fame. > Chris > [1]Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > On Tuesday, August 7, 2018, 9:43 AM, Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu > wrote: > > Ludovico Roncalli: same. > > I also wish Angiol Michele Bartolotti was better recognized for his > contribution to fully chromatic music. > > Eugene > > -Original Message- > > From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> On > Behalf Of Ido Shdaimah > > Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 9:03 AM > > To: lutelist Net <[4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Composers you wish had a bigger legacy > > Giovanni Zamboni: only one book (though still a lot more than > > others...). > > -- > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > --- > > References > > 1. https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS > 2. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu > 3. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu > 4. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
[LUTE] Re: Dowland's Courante
While we're at it - a while ago I wondered about a galliard in Vincenzo Galilei's Tabulatura that seems like a template for Can Shee Excuse. It's probably in the mailing list archive. I had not received any thoughts about it but would be interested if someone had an explanation. Am 08.08.2018 um 10:34 schrieb stephan.olbe...@web.de: Dear Stewart and Ron, that rang a bell and after a quick look into my windows cloud I saw that I arranged the piece for two lutes years ago and correctly gave both sources in the editorial notes. I don't recall if I read about the concordance or found out myself. Regards Stephan Gesendet: Mittwoch, 08. August 2018 um 10:11 Uhr Von: "Ron Andrico" An: "Lute Net" , "Stewart McCoy" Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Dowland's Courante Congratulations, Stewart. It appears you have discovered a new concordance. If it had been known previously, surely Peter Holman would have mentioned the concordance in his notes to his recording An Englishman Abroad: Consort music composed, arranged and collected by Thomas Simpson (1582 -1628), Hyperion CDA66435, 1991. Snatches of many other of Dowland's songs have crept into the dance tune repertory, and your discovery adds to the pile. RA __ From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu on behalf of Stewart McCoy Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 11:39 PM To: Lute Net Subject: [LUTE] Dowland's Courante This evening I had the pleasure of playing Dowland's "Were every thought an eye" from his Pilgrimes Solace (1612). It seemed very familiar, and then I recognised it as Dowland's Courante in Thomas Simpson's Taffel-Consort (1621). I didn't know of this concordance. I can find no mention of it in Diana Poulton's book John Dowland, and no mention in the introduction to the Scolar Press facsimile of A Pilgrimes Solace. Have I discovered something new, or is it already common knowledge? Stewart McCoy -- To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html [2]Lute Mail list technical information www.cs.dartmouth.edu Frequently Asked Technical Questions about the lute mail list. getting on and off the list; How do I get on the lute mail list? How do I get off the lute mail list? -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Dowland's Courante
Dear Stewart and Ron, that rang a bell and after a quick look into my windows cloud I saw that I arranged the piece for two lutes years ago and correctly gave both sources in the editorial notes. I don't recall if I read about the concordance or found out myself. Regards Stephan > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 08. August 2018 um 10:11 Uhr > Von: "Ron Andrico" > An: "Lute Net" , "Stewart McCoy" > Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Dowland's Courante > >Congratulations, Stewart. It appears you have discovered a new >concordance. If it had been known previously, surely Peter Holman >would have mentioned the concordance in his notes to his recording An >Englishman Abroad: Consort music composed, arranged and collected by >Thomas Simpson (1582 -1628), Hyperion CDA66435, 1991. Snatches of many >other of Dowland's songs have crept into the dance tune repertory, and >your discovery adds to the pile. > >RA > __ > >From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu on behalf >of Stewart McCoy >Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 11:39 PM >To: Lute Net >Subject: [LUTE] Dowland's Courante > > This evening I had the pleasure of playing Dowland's "Were every > thought an eye" from his Pilgrimes Solace (1612). It seemed very > familiar, and then I recognised it as Dowland's Courante in Thomas > Simpson's Taffel-Consort (1621). I didn't know of this concordance. >I > can find no mention of it in Diana Poulton's book John Dowland, and >no > mention in the introduction to the Scolar Press facsimile of A > Pilgrimes Solace. Have I discovered something new, or is it already > common knowledge? > Stewart McCoy > -- >To get on or off this list see list information at >[1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >[2]Lute Mail list technical information >www.cs.dartmouth.edu >Frequently Asked Technical Questions about the lute mail list. getting >on and off the list; How do I get on the lute mail list? How do I get >off the lute mail list? > >-- > > References > >1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >
