[LUTE] Lanturulu

[Seicento/Rainer Luckhardt]

Dear collected wisdom,

I'm looking for the italian words of the song "Lanturulú". It has been 
sung by burgundian peasants and winemakers when they made a rebellion in 
february 1630 in Dijon against the tax increase and reduction of their 
privileges decreeded by king Louis XIII. But the melody must have been 
known before in Italy, because Buonamente wrote in 1626 already a Sonata 
for 2 Violins and BC using this song. In the ms. Barb.Lat. 4177 
(Vatican, Rome) there is only one italian verse with alfabeto chords. It 
seems that it was a very popular satirical song against the french king, 
because it has been printed many times (Sanz, Corbetta, Carbonchi and 
others).


Il puovero Re di francia quando era picciolino

come [via] la lancia e da[n]a in un Quarino (?)

adesso [è] Re le grande non Laca[r]e piu.

Lanturlúru, etc.

The words/letters in brackets are hard to read in the ms. and my 
interpretation is probably wrong. Does by chance anyone know another 
source for the italian words?


Rainer

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[LUTE] Re: Mandora/Gallichon Website

[Seicento/Rainer Luckhardt]

Becoming a mandora enthusiast without having a mandora can only happen, 
if first of all you like the music which has been written for this 
instrument. Its standard tuning is equal to modern guitar tuning. There 
have been mandoras tuned in E (like guitar) or one note lower in D. So 
you can play this music directly from the tab on a modern guitar, or, as 
you mentioned, on a Wandervogel lute. (But a lot of the original 
repertoire is asking for another tuning where the lowest course is tuned 
up a third (in E= e' - h - g - d - A - G).


The arrangements of the Mandora Website are all adapted for standard 
tuning. Of course playing this music on guitar or Wandervogel lute 
sounds - what else - like guitar or Wandervogel lute, but it can give 
you an impression of what the music itself sounds like - and if you like 
it. If you would like to hear how this music sounds played on mandora 
please listen to what Rod Blocksidge offers on his vimeo channel (link 
on www.mandora.de/audio).


Coming close to the mandora sound by using modern guitar or a 
Wandervogel lute will be difficult because of their much higher string 
tension. You can try to replace your strings by some lute strings with 
less tension, but I'm not sure if this will be satisfying and makes a 
good sound.


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Am 24.01.2020 um 14:15 schrieb Tristan von Neumann:

Can I become a Mandora enthusiast by using a Wandervogel lute?...

What's the stringing choice to come close to Mandora sound?


On 24.01.20 14:16, Martyn Hodgson wrote:

    Well done Rainer,
    - let's hope this produces even more interest in this relatively
    neglected but, once, popular little family of instruments.
    regards
    Martyn

    On Friday, 24 January 2020, 13:06:47 GMT, Seicento/Rainer Luckhardt
     wrote:
  Hi all,
  I would like to inform you that I have setup a new website 
dedicated

    to
  the Gallichon/Mandora, where some information can be found, and 
where
  some music for solo mandora, songs with mandora or chamber 
music with
  mandora is already integrated and downloadable for free. You 
can find

  links to libraries which offer their digitized manuscripts with
    mandora
  music online. The website is in german and english language, 
and it's

  still a work in progress. So from time to time I will put in some
    more
  music (or audio files). Of course other mandora-enthusiast are
    invited
  to participate as well. The music is mostly unknown and taken from
  different mss.
  You can visit this page at: [1]www.gallichon. de  or
  [2]www.mandora.org
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  2. [2]http://www.mandora.org/
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[LUTE] Mandora/Gallichon Website

[Seicento/Rainer Luckhardt]

   Hi all,

   I would like to inform you that I have setup a new website dedicated to
   the Gallichon/Mandora, where some information can be found, and where
   some music for solo mandora, songs with mandora or chamber music with
   mandora is already integrated and downloadable for free. You can find
   links to libraries which offer their digitized manuscripts with mandora
   music online. The website is in german and english language, and it's
   still a work in progress. So from time to time I will put in some more
   music (or audio files). Of course other mandora-enthusiast are invited
   to participate as well. The music is mostly unknown and taken from
   different mss.

   You can visit this page at: [1]www.gallichon. de  or
   [2]www.mandora.org

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   1. http://www.gallichon/
   2. http://www.mandora.org/
   3. http://www.seicentomusic.de/


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[LUTE] Mandora Website

[Seicento/Rainer Luckhardt]

   Dear Lute list,

   since a couple of days the Mandora-Website is online and I've put some
   information there. It's far away from beeing complete but step by step
   I try to fill it with more information, articles, adresses. Maybe that
   soon I'll change the structure a bit, but nothing really basic. The
   download page includes now 2 anonymous  partitas from the ms. Graz 1869
   and Brno A.27.750. Much more will follow soon. If you have material to
   share too don't hesitate to contact me.

   ---
   -

   There is a new email-adress concerning the mandora and its webpage:

   [1]i...@gallichon.de

   Please use this one for your communication!

   ---
   ---

   There is a second web-adress too, which automatically forewards you on
   the gallichon page:  [2]www.mandora.org. You can use both adresses.

   Perhaps you can help me to collect more information. Do you know:

   Who is playing Mandora/Gallichon?

   Which lutemaker builds/offers mandoras/gallichons?

   All the best

   Rainer

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   2. http://www.mandora.org/


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[LUTE] Re: Mandora/Gallichon website

[Seicento/Rainer Luckhardt]

Dear Martyn (and others),

thanks a lot for your interest. I'm still busy with the website itself 
and I haven't opened a dedicated e-mail yet. But that's possible. I'll 
let you know about when it's done. Until then, if you would like to 
contribute, you can use my email seicentomu...@arcor.de. That's the one 
I have a look on at least once a day.


I'm in contact with Dieter Kirsch who is going to contribute some of his 
articles. I will ask Pietro Posser as well if he agrees in the 
publication of his articles (already translated into english!) on the 
gallichon website. I will concentrate mainly on two instruments: the 
"short" mandora in D or E (70-75cm string lenght) ande the gallichon in 
A with its longer string lenght. There will be place for other 
instruments of the same family like the italian Colascione and Mandola 
too, but i'm not very familiar with them. So if there is someone out 
there who already knows a lot about, don't hesitat to contact me.


I once tried one of the duets Mandora and Clavicembalo by Signor 
Kneferle. I played it together with Hammerflügel, which makes a 
wonderful sound and works quite well with the mandora. Unfortunately I 
couldn't go any further because the Hammerflügel-player was a bit 
ignorant, and music written by other people than C.Ph.E Bach or Haydn or 
Beethoven was not really worth it to be played by him. A shame! I had to 
transpose the harpsichord part, so that at least we could  play in the 
same key.


While writing this I have the idea of making mp3-files of the 
harpsichord parts (already transposed to a key which fits well with the 
mandora), and put them in the download area of the website, of course 
together with the mandora part. Same might be possible for other duets.


I have already tried some of the Zinck-songs as well, and some of them 
seem to be really good. The problem with this songs is, that most of the 
handwritten words are completely unreadable to me, and to judge about a 
song without its words is nonsense. But a "translation" of these songs 
into readable german is already at work - and will be available on the 
website, as soon as it is finished.


Rainer


By the way: there is a second webadress now www.mandora.org. From there 
you will be redirected on to www.gallichon.de




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[LUTE] Re: Mandora/Gallichon website

[Seicento/Rainer Luckhardt]

The italian instruments might be a good idea, especially the "big" 
Presbler mandola. Thanks for the pictures. First of all I wait to see 
what happens now


Best

Rainer

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Am 21.11.2019 um 19:46 schrieb Braig, Eugene:

I don't know if they're on your radar, but will the Italian relatives that are often 
referred to as "mandola" or similar be included?  See, e.g., this paired 1790s 
mandolino and mandola by Presbler held by New York's Metropolitan Museum of Art.

Best,
E


Eugene C. Braig IV
Artistic Director
Phone: 614-561-9204
e-mail: eug...@columbusguitarsociety.org

The Columbus Guitar Society
Capital University, Conservatory of Music
1 College & Main
Columbus, OH 43209
USA

http://columbusguitarsociety.org/



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To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Mandora/Gallichon website

Dear Lute-List,

I'm going to set up a website about the 18th century mandora/gallichon.
This might be a place for general information about the instrument(s), its 
history, where it has been played, composers, and, and, and.but also 
information about where to find a player, a lutemaker, and last but not least a 
download page for lots of pieces.

Those who already know a bit about 18th century mandora music: don't be afraid! 
I'm not going to present hundreds of bad and boaring menuets there. Amongst all 
the manuscripts which I have (quite a lot, in copy of
course) I've found many interesting pieces, technically not to much demanding, 
often with nice melodies, and sometimes music of high quality in baroque or 
gallant style.

During the last years I've made a collection of my favorite pieces and suites, 
and I made readable copies of it with Fronimo. Probably other mandora players 
did the same. So why not putting together the whole mandora wisdom and 
repertoire and collect it in the web, downloadable for free and open to all.

That's quite a lot of work of which I've already done a bit. Therefore I would 
like to ask the mandora players of amongst us (I know there are
some)  to participate to this idea, and to contribute whatever might be of 
interest.

You can have a look to this very basic website with just an index-page, a completely 
empty "about Mandora"-page and the impressum (which is obligatory in Germany).

The web adress is:   www.gallichon.de

But some buttons are already there, and so at least you can see which themes I 
have integrated until now. But that's just work in progress, and to be filled 
with real information soon. If you have any suggestion about what else should 
be there, if you have any material to share, don't hesitate to contact me. The 
website shall be in english and german. As you certainly have seen I'm not a 
native speaker. Any help in transforming my poor english into something closer 
to good english is welcome.

Let's try it.

Rainer


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[LUTE] Mandora/Gallichon website

[Seicento/Rainer Luckhardt]

Dear Lute-List,

I'm going to set up a website about the 18th century mandora/gallichon. 
This might be a place for general information about the instrument(s), 
its history, where it has been played, composers, and, and, and.but 
also information about where to find a player, a lutemaker, and last but 
not least a download page for lots of pieces.


Those who already know a bit about 18th century mandora music: don't be 
afraid! I'm not going to present hundreds of bad and boaring menuets 
there. Amongst all the manuscripts which I have (quite a lot, in copy of 
course) I've found many interesting pieces, technically not to much 
demanding, often with nice melodies, and sometimes music of high quality 
in baroque or gallant style.


During the last years I've made a collection of my favorite pieces and 
suites, and I made readable copies of it with Fronimo. Probably other 
mandora players did the same. So why not putting together the whole 
mandora wisdom and repertoire and collect it in the web, downloadable 
for free and open to all.


That's quite a lot of work of which I've already done a bit. Therefore I 
would like to ask the mandora players of amongst us (I know there are 
some)  to participate to this idea, and to contribute whatever might 
be of interest.


You can have a look to this very basic website with just an index-page, 
a completely empty "about Mandora"-page and the impressum (which is 
obligatory in Germany).


The web adress is:   www.gallichon.de

But some buttons are already there, and so at least you can see which 
themes I have integrated until now. But that's just work in progress, 
and to be filled with real information soon. If you have any suggestion 
about what else should be there, if you have any material to share, 
don't hesitate to contact me. The website shall be in english and 
german. As you certainly have seen I'm not a native speaker. Any help in 
transforming my poor english into something closer to good english is 
welcome.


Let's try it.

Rainer


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[LUTE] Re: Starting theorbo

[Seicento/Rainer Luckhardt]

Have a look into the Seicento Catalogue ===> 
http://www.seicentomusic.de/seite03.html. There is some easy music for theorbo.
Rainer


Subject: [LUTE] Starting Theorbo

  Dear Collected Wisdom:
  I have rented a small theorbo from the American Lute Society for one
  year to learn how to play it. What easy pieces do you recommend I
   begin
  with?
  Thanks in advance,
  George Arndt
  george.ar...@hotmail.com

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[LUTE] Re: Baroque Czech songs?

[Seicento/Rainer Luckhardt]

Hi Daniel,

in 2016 the song has been published in the Tablature supplement of the
"Lauten Info" of the german lute society. Is send you herewith a copy.

Rainer

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Am 22.01.2018 um 17:56 schrieb Daniel Shoskes:
> Great find! I have the pdf computer version by Treder but can’t seem to 
> find the actual MS in my collection or online. If someone could share that 
> page with me to see the words it would be much appreciated.
>
> Thanks again.
>
>> On Jan 22, 2018, at 11:37 AM, Markus Lutz  wrote:
>>
>> There is even one Aria (Air) in a lute manuskript, RA-BAn Ms. 236.R - 13769, 
>> 69v, Air de Kalivoda, which has the lute part and the German text. It should 
>> be no problem to get it together.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Markus
>>
>> Am 22.01.2018 um 16:21 schrieb Daniel Shoskes:
>>> Dear collective wisdom: has anyone encountered baroque songs with lute or 
>>> continuo accompaniment (suitable for plucking) that is either in Czech, is 
>>> by a Czech composer and/or is found in a Czech sourced manuscript? Could 
>>> stretch to include Silesia given the overlap with modern Czech lands.
>>> Thanks
>>> Danny
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>>
>> Tel  0 75 82 / 92 62 89
>> Fax  0 75 82 / 92 62 90
>> Mail mar...@gmlutz.de
>>
>>
>
>
>


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[LUTE] Re: I'm confused.

[Seicento/Rainer Luckhardt]

   Hi Tristan,

   no idea if it's correct but I've found this:

   [1]Konrad Ragossnig: Handbuch der Gitarre und Laute. Schott, Mainz
   1978, [2]ISBN 3-7957-2329-9, S. 111 f. (Menuett); hier: S. 111.

   .und der Hinweis Ragossnigs, dass die Bezeichnung Menuett erstmals
   im 16. Jahrhundert für eine der 26 Abarten des Branle aufgetreten
   sei.[3][4]

   Maybe it helps to become less confused.

   Rainer^
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   Am 17.01.2018 um 20:48 schrieb Tristan von Neumann:

 ..why is there a Minuet in Doni's Lutebook?
 [5]http://gerbode.net/facsimiles/doni_lute_book/033.png
 This dance shouldn't be popular until years later.
 Any other very early minuets you know of?
 Curiously,
 Tristan
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   2. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:ISBN-Suche/3795723299
   3. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menuett#cite_note-4
   4. http://www.seicentomusic.de/
   5. http://gerbode.net/facsimiles/doni_lute_book/033.png
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[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works

[Seicento/Rainer Luckhardt]

...and some more:

Claudio Saracini - 2 Toccatas for archlute in "Le musiche", Venice 1614

Rainer

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Am 17.12.2017 um 12:08 schrieb G. C.:

No, D-Leipzig III.11.5 doesn't contain it?
G.
On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 11:58 AM, [1]mathias.roe...@t-online.de
<[2]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> wrote:
   Betreff: Re: Chromatic lute works
   Datum: 17.12.2017, 11:57 Uhr
   An: Baroque Lute Net
   Is there a contemporary lute tablature of BWV 997? I was thinking
the
   initial post asked for tablatures.
   Mathias

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[LUTE] German lute tablature

[Seicento/Rainer Luckhardt]

Ciao Mimmo,

this manuscript is a copy of Hans Newsidler's book of 1536 "Ein 
newgeordent künstlich Lauten Buch".


Rainer

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[LUTE] New editions by Seicento

[Seicento/Rainer Luckhardt]

   SEICENTO EDITION has some new editions for theorbo:
   Anonymous22 pieces for Theorbo from "Intabolatura di Chitarone
   al uso d'Ittalia & altre Provincie"
Order-no. 3966
   An interesting manuscript (Paris, BN)
   containing Toccatas, Corrente, Gagliarde, Passamezzi and
   other pieces, most of them rather unknown,
   less difficult to play than Kapsberger's, Castaldi's
   or Piccinini's theorbo music.
   de Visée, R.3 Suites for Theorbo, taken from de Visée's guitar
   books, transcribed and arranged for Theorbo
   Order-no. 3965
   de Visée's original theorbo music in
   general isn't easy to play. This edition with 3 suites,
   originally written for baroque guitar, is
   less difficult to play, in particular for the right hand thumb.
   Suitable for lute players which start to
   play the theorbo! Baroque guitar music suits very well to be
   arranged for theorbo because both
   instruments have a re-entrant tuning and their melody range
   is rather small.
   and other theorbo music by SEICENTO:

   Easy Theorbo Music Vol. 1: 52 easy to intermediate
   piecesOrder-no. 3915

   16.+17. century lute & guitar
   music arranged for Theorbo


   Easy Theorbo Music Vol.2: 36 easy to intermediate
   piecesOrder-no. 3923

  17.+18. century lute & guitar
   music arranged for Theorbo


   Frescobaldi, G.  Canzonas for Theorbo &
   Continuo Order-no. 3948

2 of Frescobaldi's Canzonas
   for Bass instrument and BC,

arranged for Theorbo & BC
   (Score + Parts)


   Hotman, Nicolas  Theorbo
   Music Order-no.
   3855

  Original Theorbo pieces &
   arrangements of viol music


   Landi, Stefano  2 Canzonas (for Lute, Theorbo &
   Harp) Order-no. 3317

the 2 canzonas are originally composed
   for this „plucking group",

 score + parts in staff
   notation


   Reusner, Esaias  7 Suites
Order-no. 3875

 Seven of Reusners baroque lute suites
   arranged for Theorbo
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