[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Minor sharp keys?
Attention: This b-minor menuet has the basses in d major! It's part of a d-major suite / sonata. Andreas Am 23.09.2006 um 04:52 schrieb sterling price: Yes there is a menuet by Weiss in the London book that is in B minor. It is the only Weiss I have seen in this key. Its on page 155 in the Peters edition. There is also a sarabande in E minor by Weiss from a G major suite, and that is the only E minor Weiss. This is strange because these 2 keys are very nice on the baroque lute. There is also the Falckenhagen prelude that goes in all keys that is very fun to play. Sterling --- Daniel Shoskes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for all the replies. Indeed I am primarily interested in German Baroque music and was hoping to find pieces later than Mouten et freres. I found a Bittner Tombeau on Roman's site in F#minor which I'll try. Is the lack of these keys in the germal literature perhaps a rebellion against the old fashioned keys popular in France? DS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Minor sharp keys?
This is not too much of a surprise because b-minor (h-moll) and D- major (D-Dur) have the same accidentals g On 23.09.2006, at 13:52, Andreas Schlegel wrote: Attention: This b-minor menuet has the basses in d major! It's part of a d-major suite / sonata. Andreas To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Minor sharp keys?
Hello Sterling, f#m S.L.Weiss used in one suite in Dresden, 3 Sarabandes of sonatas in A major and in 3 pieces in the Vienna 18761 ms, if the latter is S.L.Weiss at all. In e minor Weiss wrote two sarabandes (there is also one in Haslemere). In b minor there is the mentioned trio in the London ms, there is also one ensemble movement un poco andante of a sonata in D major and there is a suite in Wru (W2002) that is possibly not by Weiss (W in the ms) - it could be by Weichenberger. I don´t know what the reason is that there are so few pieces in these keys. D major sounds very good on the baroque lute and there are many pieces in this key by Weiss, but he seems to avoid nearly the parallel minor. G major also he used very much, but it´s the same with e minor. Best Markus Sarabande in f# Smith 64 - SC 12/4 LbmI/53vSarabande V18829/24vSarabande W2004/11rSarabande Sarabande in f# Smith 311 - SC 45/4 Dl/165Sarab: grave. Sarabande in f# Smith 317 - SC 46/4 Dl/175Sarabande Prelude in f# Smith 326 Dl/190Prelude Allemande in f# Smith 327 - SC 48/1 Dl/191Allemande. Andante. Bk/49Allemande Courante in f# Smith 328 - SC 48/2 Dl/192Courrante. Bourree in f# Smith 329 - SC 48/3 Dl/194Bourrée. Presto in f# Smith 331 - SC 48/6 Dl/197Presto. Presto in f# Smith 332 - SC 48/5 Dl/198Menuet. Fantasia in f# Smith 412 V18761/28vPhantasie Allemande in f# Smith 413 V18761/29vAllemande Gigue in f# Smith 414 V18761/30vGigue Sarabande in e Smith 139 - SC 22/5 LbmI/109vSarabande Sarabande in e Smith 489 Ha/126Sarabande Menuet in b Smith 217 - SC 27* LbmI/155rMenuet II Allemande in b WRu/129Allemande Courante in b WRu/130Courante Bourree in b WRu/130Bourée Sarabande in b WRu/131Sarabande Menuet in b WRu/132Menuet Gigue in b WRu/132Giq Andante in b Dl/VI/43Un poco andante sterling price schrieb: Yes there is a menuet by Weiss in the London book that is in B minor. It is the only Weiss I have seen in this key. Its on page 155 in the Peters edition. There is also a sarabande in E minor by Weiss from a G major suite, and that is the only E minor Weiss. This is strange because these 2 keys are very nice on the baroque lute. There is also the Falckenhagen prelude that goes in all keys that is very fun to play. Sterling --- Daniel Shoskes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Markus Lutz Schulstr. 11 D-88422 Bad Buchau Tel: 0 75 82 / 92 62 89 Fax: 0 75 82 / 92 62 90 Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Minor sharp keys?
Danny, Good question. The French baroque lutenists do use F# minor a lot Gaultiers, Gallot, deVissee, DuBut, Emond, Pinel, de St.Luc, and Mouton use it a great deal. Also, for the Germans, leSage de Richee (is he German?) and Bittner use this tuning as well. Weiss did compose some earlier F# minor pieces, I think in Vienna. It was known as the goat's tuning, and it was well utilized. There are many recordings of this key, namely French baroque lute recordings by Hoppy (his V D Gaultier, Mouton, Gallot recordings). The extant piece by Pachelbel is in F# minor as well (recorded by Bailes). Toyohiko's French recordings are loaded with F# minor pieces. B minor is a different subject. Bittner opens his book with a suite in B minor, but I know of no others, with exception to the 1st violin Partita by JS Bach. Although it is not lute music, many have done it on lute. Most have transcribed it to a minor, however. So you are correct about B minor, but F# minor is very common, and a favorite tuning of many. Take care, Danny. ed PS - does anyone know of other pieces in B minor? At 12:27 PM 9/22/2006 -0400, you wrote: As I have begun to explore the Baroque lute literature in D major and A major tunings, I'm struck by the relative paucity of pieces in the corresponding minor keys (F# and B). Lundgren's book doesn't have a single piece in B minor and Weiss, while writing a fantastic F# minor sonata, seems to otherwise avoid these keys. Is there a simple musical explanation for this that I am missing? Or am I simply missing a literature that is really out there? Thanks DS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Minor sharp keys?
Dear List: MS Barbe has 19 pieces in F#m, 10 pieces in E minor, and 6 pieces in Bm. Four sharps in d minor tuning would be challenging. When I saw H. Smith play BWV 1006a in California some years ago, he stated that he had transposed it to F major. I am not aware of any 17th century French sources with pieces in E major. Jorge Torres On 9/22/06 1:16 PM, Edward Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Danny, Good question. The French baroque lutenists do use F# minor a lot Gaultiers, Gallot, deVissee, DuBut, Emond, Pinel, de St.Luc, and Mouton use it a great deal. Also, for the Germans, leSage de Richee (is he German?) and Bittner use this tuning as well. Weiss did compose some earlier F# minor pieces, I think in Vienna. It was known as the goat's tuning, and it was well utilized. There are many recordings of this key, namely French baroque lute recordings by Hoppy (his V D Gaultier, Mouton, Gallot recordings). The extant piece by Pachelbel is in F# minor as well (recorded by Bailes). Toyohiko's French recordings are loaded with F# minor pieces. B minor is a different subject. Bittner opens his book with a suite in B minor, but I know of no others, with exception to the 1st violin Partita by JS Bach. Although it is not lute music, many have done it on lute. Most have transcribed it to a minor, however. So you are correct about B minor, but F# minor is very common, and a favorite tuning of many. Take care, Danny. ed PS - does anyone know of other pieces in B minor? At 12:27 PM 9/22/2006 -0400, you wrote: As I have begun to explore the Baroque lute literature in D major and A major tunings, I'm struck by the relative paucity of pieces in the corresponding minor keys (F# and B). Lundgren's book doesn't have a single piece in B minor and Weiss, while writing a fantastic F# minor sonata, seems to otherwise avoid these keys. Is there a simple musical explanation for this that I am missing? Or am I simply missing a literature that is really out there? Thanks DS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Minor sharp keys?
Hi again, everyone! MS Barbe has 19 pieces in F#m, 10 pieces in E minor, and 6 pieces in Bm. Four sharps in d minor tuning would be challenging. When I saw H. Smith play BWV 1006a in California some years ago, he stated that he had transposed it to F major. I am not aware of any 17th century French sources with pieces in E major. Kohaut and Falckenhagen composed lute concertos in E-major, if I remember correctly. Falckenhagen also composed a solo sonata in E-major. Jakob Lindberg and Lutz Kirchhof have recorded BWV 1006a in E-major, but most lutenists of course transpose it to F-major. Danny, Good question. The French baroque lutenists do use F# minor a lot Gaultiers, Gallot, deVissee, DuBut, Emond, Pinel, de St.Luc, and Mouton use it a great deal. Also, for the Germans, leSage de Richee (is he German?) and Bittner use this tuning as well. Weiss did compose some earlier F# minor pieces, I think in Vienna. It was known as the goat's tuning, and it was well utilized. There are many recordings of this key, namely French baroque lute recordings by Hoppy (his V D Gaultier, Mouton, Gallot recordings). The extant piece by Pachelbel is in F# minor as well (recorded by Bailes). Toyohiko's French recordings are loaded with F# minor pieces. B minor is a different subject. Bittner opens his book with a suite in B minor, but I know of no others, with exception to the 1st violin Partita by JS Bach. Although it is not lute music, many have done it on lute. Most have transcribed it to a minor, however. So you are correct about B minor, but F# minor is very common, and a favorite tuning of many. Take care, Danny. ed PS - does anyone know of other pieces in B minor? http://www.clivetitmuss.com/lutebook_details.asp?Id=8#1 mvh Are Vidar Boye Hansen To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Minor sharp keys?
This isn't just restricted to the lute...there aren't many pieces for bowed strings in c#m, and not many for keyboard either. While there may be some exceptional works here and there, the majority of string writing remains in the idiomatic keys for those instruments. In manuscript collections we sometimes see the progression of entries go from d-minor to its nearby keys, raising and lowering diapasons incrementally. Barbe goes through the following progression of keys: Series Key 1d minor 2a minor 3F 4C 5G 6D 7f# minor 8A 9e minor 10b minor 11c minor 12Bb 13g minor JT On 9/22/06 3:17 PM, Mathias Rösel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel Shoskes [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Is the lack of these keys in the germal literature perhaps a rebellion against the old fashioned keys popular in France? Perhaps, this issue is a bit more simple. There are certain home keys to the D minor lute: F major / D minor, G major/minor, A minor / C major Keys like E minor or B minor oftentimes imply 11th course = B, and entail a number of not exactly comfortable chords. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Minor sharp keys?
Weichenberger has some b-minor movements in scordatura. RT - Original Message - From: Mathias Rösel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 2:48 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Minor sharp keys? B minor is a different subject. Bittner opens his book with a suite in B minor, but I know of no others, with exception to the 1st violin Partita by JS Bach. I seem to remember that Hinterleithner is a name to drop. There are also suites in B minor by Jelinek, Lauffensteiner, Reusner (print 1667) and Gaultier (print 1672). -- Best, Mathias http://mathiasroesel.livejournal.com http://www.myspace.com/mathiasroesel -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Minor sharp keys?
Kohaut and Falckenhagen composed lute concertos in E-major, if I remember correctly. Falckenhagen also composed a solo sonata in E-major. E-FLAT-major. Even Haydn Co rarely used E-major. RT ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Minor sharp keys?
Yes there is a menuet by Weiss in the London book that is in B minor. It is the only Weiss I have seen in this key. Its on page 155 in the Peters edition. There is also a sarabande in E minor by Weiss from a G major suite, and that is the only E minor Weiss. This is strange because these 2 keys are very nice on the baroque lute. There is also the Falckenhagen prelude that goes in all keys that is very fun to play. Sterling --- Daniel Shoskes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for all the replies. Indeed I am primarily interested in German Baroque music and was hoping to find pieces later than Mouten et freres. I found a Bittner Tombeau on Roman's site in F#minor which I'll try. Is the lack of these keys in the germal literature perhaps a rebellion against the old fashioned keys popular in France? DS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
