[LUTE] Re: [Lute] Lute and Harp duets
does anyone on the list have any experience of playing duets with a harp (either renaissance or baroque lute)? I would be grateful for some help in terns of possible repertoire! The last thing I remember, though faintly, was harp, lute and maracas, the repertoire from Buena Vista Social club. :-)) Fun! B. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: [Lute] Lute and Harp duets
Bernd Haegemann b...@symbol4.de schrieb: does anyone on the list have any experience of playing duets with a harp (either renaissance or baroque lute)? I would be grateful for some help in terns of possible repertoire! The last thing I remember, though faintly, was harp, lute and maracas, the repertoire from Buena Vista Social club. :-)) Fun! Nothing to add as regards repertoire B) Last time I played together with a harp, I brought the chitarrone so as not to be droned out. It was a Gothic harp, though, and, surprise surpise, the chitarrone outdroned the harp, unfortunately. Still lutes will do. My farthing, Mathias To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: [Lute] Lute and Harp duets
From: Charles Browne char...@brownecowie.fsnet.co.uk Greetings! does anyone on the list have any experience of playing duets with a harp (either renaissance or baroque lute)? I would be grateful for some help in terns of possible repertoire! Thanks Charles I think you can arrange some of the music recorded here: http://www.diegocantalupi.it/orfeo/index.htm The cd contains the pdf with the music. Diego To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: [Lute] Lute and Harp duets
Not directly myself. However, about two decades ago, there was a lute-harp duo that used to perform at The Ohio State University's renaissance festival (I really don't know who either performer was, but the lutenist was male and the harpist female). It seems to me they played half-transcriptions of renaissance lute duets. I thought it very effective. Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Charles Browne Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 3:06 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] [Lute] Lute and Harp duets Greetings! does anyone on the list have any experience of playing duets with a harp (either renaissance or baroque lute)? I would be grateful for some help in terns of possible repertoire! Thanks Charles To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: [Lute] Lute and Harp duets
Hello Charles, Consider posting your request to the Yahoo Harplist and the Yahoo HistoricalHarplist. Craig Craig R. Pierpont Another Era Lutherie www.anotherera.com --- On Fri, 10/16/09, Charles Browne char...@brownecowie.fsnet.co.uk wrote: From: Charles Browne char...@brownecowie.fsnet.co.uk Subject: [LUTE] [Lute] Lute and Harp duets To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 2:06 AM Greetings! does anyone on the list have any experience of playing duets with a harp (either renaissance or baroque lute)? I would be grateful for some help in terns of possible repertoire! Thanks Charles To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: [Lute] Lute and Harp duets
Greetings! does anyone on the list have any experience of playing duets with a harp (either renaissance or baroque lute)? I would be grateful for some help in terns of possible repertoire! Thanks Charles As any harpist will confirm, much depends on the harp. Historical harps were mostly diatonic, often playing only the 'white' notes of a scale. Not always a problem, especially if the harp is playing harmony. Some harps are equipped with 'sharping' levers that allow a rapid change in tuning, these are anachronistic to renaissance music. A few examples of chromatic harps are known from the late renaissance, they have two or three sets of strings which are angled differently and scissor thru each other so that either hand can be raised or lowered for access to an alternate set. Begin with the polyphonic duos, and look for material which is in one key. Besides the instrumental music listed in Brown _Instrumental music printed before 1600_ you will also find duos in masses and motets. Too much material exists to try and list it here; get thee to a music library! Also peruse the material published by the Lute Society. And, dont nglect 3vv and 4vv chansons, frotollas, etc; these can be reset - both the harp and the lute can do a bit of harmony to fill in the extra voices. Basically, consider how you can do whatever music pleases you. Dont forget the possibility of the odd pickup forming a trio (perhaps a recorder player). -- Dana Emery To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: [Lute] Lute and Harp duets
Hello Charles: I have played quite a few duets with harps, or I should say with harpists. What a harpist can easily play depends upon whether the harp has chromatic notes available. If you're playing with a modern concert harp, anything goes and it only becomes a question of balance, since harps are generally much louder than lutes. Most 'folk' harps are diatonic but many have levers that can sharp or flat a note if set up in advance. I performed a duet concert with a very good harpist, Laura Zaerr, playing a diatonic harp with levers. She was able to change the levers on the fly in the middle of a piece and we played the Francesco/Matelart duets as well as some duets from Phalese, 1552. Double harps are also a good solution because the chromatic notes are available on a second row of strings. I have played part-music with a double-harpist, dividing the responsibilities equally in a four-part piece. You can also play lute songs with the harp playing the singing part. This usually works out well in terms of balance. I hope this is helpful. Best wishes, Ron Andrico www.mignarda.com Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:06:13 +0100 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu From: char...@brownecowie.fsnet.co.uk Subject: [LUTE] [Lute] Lute and Harp duets Greetings! does anyone on the list have any experience of playing duets with a harp (either renaissance or baroque lute)? I would be grateful for some help in terns of possible repertoire! Thanks Charles To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html __ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. [1]Get it now. -- References 1. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/
[LUTE] Re: [Lute] Lute and Harp duets
I've also seen Ren harpists fret the occasional accidental. It's a bit awkward and slow, though, so it only works in some circumstance (and intonation tend to be a bit iffy). Guy -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Andrico Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 9:40 AM To: char...@brownecowie.fsnet.co.uk; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: [Lute] Lute and Harp duets Hello Charles: I have played quite a few duets with harps, or I should say with harpists. What a harpist can easily play depends upon whether the harp has chromatic notes available. If you're playing with a modern concert harp, anything goes and it only becomes a question of balance, since harps are generally much louder than lutes. Most 'folk' harps are diatonic but many have levers that can sharp or flat a note if set up in advance. I performed a duet concert with a very good harpist, Laura Zaerr, playing a diatonic harp with levers. She was able to change the levers on the fly in the middle of a piece and we played the Francesco/Matelart duets as well as some duets from Phalese, 1552. Double harps are also a good solution because the chromatic notes are available on a second row of strings. I have played part-music with a double-harpist, dividing the responsibilities equally in a four-part piece. You can also play lute songs with the harp playing the singing part. This usually works out well in terms of balance. I hope this is helpful. Best wishes, Ron Andrico www.mignarda.com Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:06:13 +0100 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu From: char...@brownecowie.fsnet.co.uk Subject: [LUTE] [Lute] Lute and Harp duets Greetings! does anyone on the list have any experience of playing duets with a harp (either renaissance or baroque lute)? I would be grateful for some help in terns of possible repertoire! Thanks Charles To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html __ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. [1]Get it now. -- References 1. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/
[LUTE] Re: [Lute] Lute and Harp duets
I always have a couple of frets on my harp. I use fretgut Here's two pieces that are very nice Stella Splendens My Lady Carey There are lots of treble and ground pieces that work. It does depend on your harpist :) NB I use harp technique (historical harp technique) blended in with my lute technique to pluck the string. It is a hold and release technique. It is basically thumb in but you pull the string just a bit farther. I don't use it for continuo, since I use thumb out with the thumb stretched. dt At 10:02 AM 10/16/2009, you wrote: I've also seen Ren harpists fret the occasional accidental. It's a bit awkward and slow, though, so it only works in some circumstance (and intonation tend to be a bit iffy). Guy -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Andrico Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 9:40 AM To: char...@brownecowie.fsnet.co.uk; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: [Lute] Lute and Harp duets Hello Charles: I have played quite a few duets with harps, or I should say with harpists. What a harpist can easily play depends upon whether the harp has chromatic notes available. If you're playing with a modern concert harp, anything goes and it only becomes a question of balance, since harps are generally much louder than lutes. Most 'folk' harps are diatonic but many have levers that can sharp or flat a note if set up in advance. I performed a duet concert with a very good harpist, Laura Zaerr, playing a diatonic harp with levers. She was able to change the levers on the fly in the middle of a piece and we played the Francesco/Matelart duets as well as some duets from Phalese, 1552. Double harps are also a good solution because the chromatic notes are available on a second row of strings. I have played part-music with a double-harpist, dividing the responsibilities equally in a four-part piece. You can also play lute songs with the harp playing the singing part. This usually works out well in terms of balance. I hope this is helpful. Best wishes, Ron Andrico www.mignarda.com Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:06:13 +0100 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu From: char...@brownecowie.fsnet.co.uk Subject: [LUTE] [Lute] Lute and Harp duets Greetings! does anyone on the list have any experience of playing duets with a harp (either renaissance or baroque lute)? I would be grateful for some help in terns of possible repertoire! Thanks Charles To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html __ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. [1]Get it now. -- References 1. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/
[LUTE] Re: [Lute] Lute and Harp duets
Years ago I made Dowland's Lord Willoughby's Welcome Home (or something like that?) duetto with a baroque harpist. She was playing from a modern staff notation, and I played from tabulature. Poulton's edition. Worked very well. No problems with the balance. I guess there is quite a lot of lute duetto stuff to be found as tabulature and notation. That repertoire is perhaps one source for you to examine? All the best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
