[LUTE] Re: Lute Ensemble
I think there should be enough R. lutenists at the SLEGS meetings in Edinburgh for one of Anton's quartets or at least to start things off with a duet. Everyone should have a lutenist meeting (many thanks to Rob MacKillop for starting up SLEGS). On 25/07/2012, Rockford Mjos rm...@comcast.net wrote: I am also very appreciative of Anton's efforts and generosity! (Thank you, Anton!) I like that Anton notifies this list of recent uploads and changes. It helps to keep me up-to-date with Anton's postings (no small task!). This list doesn't seem, to me, overburdened by this sort of notice. I am happy with his move to the IMSLP. Anton did mention the one day delay when he first started posting there and occasionally reminders us in his mailings to this group. In my experience a problem with the link most often has been because I have been too anxious (meaning too early)! But perhaps delaying the notice to this email list by one day might be considered. There are other possibilities for posting lute scores -- such as the Lute (or Early Guitar Vihuela!) Ning site, but I find it less than ideal for the type and quantity of offerings by Anton. Most lutenists may well be primarily solo players, but my life and music-making would be substantially poorer (literally and figuratively) without making music with other people--and that includes other lutenists. We do not have any great wealth of ensemble music, especially for 3 or 4 lutes. So I am happy about every new piece I find. Having a wider variety of lute ensemble music creates more options when trying to program to certain criteria, also. A group of us lutenists in Minnesota are planning on including some of Anton's arrangements in a program for the Minnesota Guitar Society in January 2013. We just have to figure out which! Thank you for your continued efforts, Anton! -- R To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute Ensemble
Let me add my voice to the growing chorus of people saying Thank you, Anton. I am part of a small newbie Lute trio (known in my household as the Madison-Area Lute Support Group.) Anton's great arrangements have kept us playing together regularly, which in a town with an annual early music festival but no lute teachers means a lot. Catherine Arnott Smith, PhD Associate Professor School of Library and Information Studies And Faculty in Residence Wisconsin Institutes for Discovery University of Wisconsin-Madison Sent from my iPad On Jul 24, 2012, at 10:55 PM, Rockford Mjos rm...@comcast.net wrote: I am also very appreciative of Anton's efforts and generosity! (Thank you, Anton!) I like that Anton notifies this list of recent uploads and changes. It helps to keep me up-to-date with Anton's postings (no small task!). This list doesn't seem, to me, overburdened by this sort of notice. I am happy with his move to the IMSLP. Anton did mention the one day delay when he first started posting there and occasionally reminders us in his mailings to this group. In my experience a problem with the link most often has been because I have been too anxious (meaning too early)! But perhaps delaying the notice to this email list by one day might be considered. There are other possibilities for posting lute scores -- such as the Lute (or Early Guitar Vihuela!) Ning site, but I find it less than ideal for the type and quantity of offerings by Anton. Most lutenists may well be primarily solo players, but my life and music-making would be substantially poorer (literally and figuratively) without making music with other people--and that includes other lutenists. We do not have any great wealth of ensemble music, especially for 3 or 4 lutes. So I am happy about every new piece I find. Having a wider variety of lute ensemble music creates more options when trying to program to certain criteria, also. A group of us lutenists in Minnesota are planning on including some of Anton's arrangements in a program for the Minnesota Guitar Society in January 2013. We just have to figure out which! Thank you for your continued efforts, Anton! -- R To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute Ensemble
I greatly appreciate both the quality and the quantity of Anton's work. With exquisite taste he selects period pieces and creates beautiful lute arrangements of beautiful vocal and instrumental compositions, and his rapidly expanding output greatly increases the repertoire of our instrument. But the question is not about the value of Anton's work--how could anyone deny it?--but, rather, about the advisability of notifying the list of each new arrangement. I, for one, like to keep abreast of what Anton is doing and appreciate the notifications (though perhaps several e-mails could be consolidated into one). When a midi file accompanies the score, I always find great pleasure in listening to it immediately, and when he provides a guitar transcription as well, it facilitates the study of the counterpoint. Most of all, however, I am inspired by Anton's high standards of excellence, his unrelenting work ethic, and the great service he renders to the lute community worldwide by both. Every time I receive one of his notifications, it helps give me the strength to forge ahead myself. If I could be so impudent as to make a request, it would not be that he decrease the number of e-mails but that he increase the number of midi files and perhaps organize them into a continuous playlist. I would love to put on the headphones and listen to his arrangements one after the other while I am reading. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute Ensemble
On 07/23/2012 05:04 PM, Anton Höger wrote: Ok, I wrote that IMSLP always check the uploads and need at least one day. Because I often make a transcription for guitar too, it seems that IMSLP cannot handle with the same file name. But sorry if you feel that my more hundreds of Intavolations for 2-4 lutes in any tunings are to much, anton, I didn't write that I don't like your intavolations or guitar arrangements. Please don't be so quickly offended by what I wrote and please do continue your work. I only asked what the purpose is of sending emails for every addition or minor change to a piece, while there are so many better alternatives for getting the attention of your efforts like a webpage with a latest additions page, a rss xml feed, twitter or simply a separate mailing list. It's just an idea, not a critic on what you do. Taco I will not upload any more Intavolations. My work was thought for the luteplayers in any level. Not everybody can play the English Treble Ground duets or the very complicated Terzi duos or some else. If I look at mediafire, where I first uploaded my Intavolations, there are more than 15000 downloads! So I dont understand your opinion about solo lute players. May be,- but thats one of my reasons I do the Intavolations! I was 10 years teacher for classical guitar and later 15 years for the Renaissance lute. And my experience with all the hundreds of pupils was that they could benefit a lot of ensemble playing. Rhythme, Hearing, Playing prima vista, and a lot more. But a crucial effect is the sound effect of more lutes in an ensemble. Because of the less technical demand the lute players in an Ensemble has an overwelming soundeffect. But I dont want to defend my work. So if you feel so, I dont will upload any more Intavolations. I think my announcements are not too much, when I have a look at some gibberish you can find here. (More than one has complained this!) But ok, why should I make any uploads more? So all lute players who has downloaded my work, will give thanks to you! Anton To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: Lute Ensemble
Anton, A I think the work you do is marvelous and a great teaching tool.A Too much music in this world and not enough time to assimilate it all.A With your intabulations it allows players of different levels to play together. A BTW, have you ever thought of doing intabulations of medieval music.A I have done some on occasion for the purpose of playing with other lute players.A They can be quite challenging as well. A please continue to upate us. A Bruno Montreal Canada [1]www.estavel.org A On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Taco Walstra [2]wals...@science.uva.nl wrote: On 07/23/2012 05:04 PM, Anton HAP:ger wrote: Ok, I wrote that IMSLP always check the uploads and need A at least one day. Because I often make a transcription for guitar too, it seems that IMSLP cannot handle with the same file name. But sorry if you feel that my more hundreds of Intavolations for 2-4 lutes in any tunings are to much, anton, I didn't write that I don't like your intavolations or guitar arrangements. Please don't be so quickly offended by what I wrote and please do continue your work. I only asked what the purpose is of sending emails for every addition or minor change to a piece, while there are so many better alternatives for getting the attention of your efforts like a webpage with a latest additions page, a rss xml feed, twitter or simply a separate mailing list. It's just an idea, not a critic on what you do. Taco I will not upload any more Intavolations. My work was thought for the luteplayers in any level. Not everybody can play the English Treble Ground duets or the very complicated Terzi duos or some else. If I look at mediafire, where I first uploaded my Intavolations, there are more than 15000 downloads! So I dont understand your opinion about solo lute players. May be,- but thats one of my reasons I do the Intavolations! I was 10 years teacher for classical guitar and later 15 years for the Renaissance lute. And my experience with all the hundreds of pupils was that they could benefit a lot of ensemble playing. Rhythme, Hearing, Playing prima vista, and a lot more. But a crucial effect is the sound effect of more lutes in an ensemble. Because of the less technical demand the lute players in an Ensemble has an overwelming soundeffect. But I dont want to defend my work. So if you feel so, I dont will upload any more Intavolations. I think my announcements are not too much, when I have a look at some gibberish you can find here. (More than one has complained this!) But ok, why should I make any uploads more? So all lute players who has downloaded my work, will give thanks to you! Anton To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- -- A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier A [4]www.estavel.org A -- References 1. http://www.estavel.org/ 2. mailto:wals...@science.uva.nl 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 4. http://www.estavel.org/
[LUTE] Re: Lute Ensemble
I am also very appreciative of Anton's efforts and generosity! (Thank you, Anton!) I like that Anton notifies this list of recent uploads and changes. It helps to keep me up-to-date with Anton's postings (no small task!). This list doesn't seem, to me, overburdened by this sort of notice. I am happy with his move to the IMSLP. Anton did mention the one day delay when he first started posting there and occasionally reminders us in his mailings to this group. In my experience a problem with the link most often has been because I have been too anxious (meaning too early)! But perhaps delaying the notice to this email list by one day might be considered. There are other possibilities for posting lute scores -- such as the Lute (or Early Guitar Vihuela!) Ning site, but I find it less than ideal for the type and quantity of offerings by Anton. Most lutenists may well be primarily solo players, but my life and music-making would be substantially poorer (literally and figuratively) without making music with other people--and that includes other lutenists. We do not have any great wealth of ensemble music, especially for 3 or 4 lutes. So I am happy about every new piece I find. Having a wider variety of lute ensemble music creates more options when trying to program to certain criteria, also. A group of us lutenists in Minnesota are planning on including some of Anton's arrangements in a program for the Minnesota Guitar Society in January 2013. We just have to figure out which! Thank you for your continued efforts, Anton! -- R To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute Ensemble
Dear Anton I, for one, am one of those who have been downloading your wonderful intabulations, and I can't thank you enough for your contribution. I'm actually planning an Anton Höger Homage Concert at the end of next semester in my school. Your single-line transcriptions are brilliant! I used 18 of them in my classroom this last term. Also, the idea of different-pitched instruments is a great challenge for guitar students (having to use capodastro) and your taste to choose the music is fantastic. You really master that repertoire! Please don't stop sending notice of your intabulations to the lute list. It's one of the best things I find in this forum! By the way, I've been trying to download Lapicida's Tandenaken, but no way, there's always some dead end. Is there any problem with that link? Thanks again! eloy Anton Höger7/23/12 10:04 amdiwa-animat...@t-online.de Taco Walstra wrote: Hi anton, I almost see a daily digest of your mails. I just clicked on the link below and it shows a page which promises to give a lute tablature, but in stead gives a score for 2 guitars in staff notation. the same for all other links or it gives an error page (like the italian ground of gibbons for example). So before you send a mail to this list, check if all links work and point to the correct files. anyway, the website shows a nice link recent changes. anybody who is interested in your new contributions can simply look on this website and view which new additions are added. No need, to send an email to hundreds (thousands?) of lutenists for every new addition. Many lutenists are by the way solo players and I assume they have less interest in duets, trios or quartets. So transcriptions for one lute, as many composers of the past often made, could be of more interest for many players perhaps. I would certainly have more interest in such transcriptions! best regards Taco Walstra My answer: Ok, I wrote that IMSLP always check the uploads and need at least one day. Because I often make a transcription for guitar too, it seems that IMSLP cannot handle with the same file name. But sorry if you feel that my more hundreds of Intavolations for 2-4 lutes in any tunings are to much, I will not upload any more Intavolations. My work was thought for the luteplayers in any level. Not everybody can play the English Treble Ground duets or the very complicated Terzi duos or some else. If I look at mediafire, where I first uploaded my Intavolations, there are more than 15000 downloads! So I dont understand your opinion about solo lute players. May be,- but thats one of my reasons I do the Intavolations! I was 10 years teacher for classical guitar and later 15 years for the Renaissance lute. And my experience with all the hundreds of pupils was that they could benefit a lot of ensemble playing. Rhythme, Hearing, Playing prima vista, and a lot more. But a crucial effect is the sound effect of more lutes in an ensemble. Because of the less technical demand the lute players in an Ensemble has an overwelming soundeffect. But I dont want to defend my work. So if you feel so, I dont will upload any more Intavolations. I think my announcements are not too much, when I have a look at some gibberish you can find here. (More than one has complained this!) But ok, why should I make any uploads more? So all lute players who has downloaded my work, will give thanks to you! Anton To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute Ensemble
Dear Anton Hoger, There's really no need to take umbrage and please don't feel offended if others have different views to your own. I'm sure quite a few people may look at your transcriptions - if only because, as Taco Walstra says, you tell them every time a new one appears - indeed seemingly almost daily! And some may actually play the pieces - especially guitarists if that is what the link generally provides. But perhaps he has a point: why don't you simply put them onto the website link which any interested players could then access if they wished to see your arrangements? That would surely satisy your desire to spread your efforts and at the same time enable those wishing to play the pieces to download them if required. No doubt many other players make their own transcriptions - and of all sorts of works, but perhaps most people would not wish to see their email inbox bombarded by hundreds if not thousands of such offerings if the practice of disseminating them via email postings became general. In any case, surely making ones own arrangements ought to be actively encouraged. Best wishes Martyn Hodgson --- On Mon, 23/7/12, Anton Hoeger diwa-animat...@t-online.de wrote: From: Anton Hoeger diwa-animat...@t-online.de Subject: [LUTE] Lute Ensemble To: Lutelist List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Monday, 23 July, 2012, 16:04 Taco Walstra wrote: Hi anton, I almost see a daily digest of your mails. I just clicked on the link below and it shows a page which promises to give a lute tablature, but in stead gives a score for 2 guitars in staff notation. the same for all other links or it gives an error page (like the italian ground of gibbons for example). So before you send a mail to this list, check if all links work and point to the correct files. anyway, the website shows a nice link recent changes. anybody who is interested in your new contributions can simply look on this website and view which new additions are added. No need, to send an email to hundreds (thousands?) of lutenists for every new addition. Many lutenists are by the way solo players and I assume they have less interest in duets, trios or quartets. So transcriptions for one lute, as many composers of the past often made, could be of more interest for many players perhaps. I would certainly have more interest in such transcriptions! best regards Taco Walstra My answer: Ok, I wrote that IMSLP always check the uploads and need at least one day. Because I often make a transcription for guitar too, it seems that IMSLP cannot handle with the same file name. But sorry if you feel that my more hundreds of Intavolations for 2-4 lutes in any tunings are to much, I will not upload any more Intavolations. My work was thought for the luteplayers in any level. Not everybody can play the English Treble Ground duets or the very complicated Terzi duos or some else. If I look at mediafire, where I first uploaded my Intavolations, there are more than 15000 downloads! So I dont understand your opinion about solo lute players. May be,- but thats one of my reasons I do the Intavolations! I was 10 years teacher for classical guitar and later 15 years for the Renaissance lute. And my experience with all the hundreds of pupils was that they could benefit a lot of ensemble playing. Rhythme, Hearing, Playing prima vista, and a lot more. But a crucial effect is the sound effect of more lutes in an ensemble. Because of the less technical demand the lute players in an Ensemble has an overwelming soundeffect. But I dont want to defend my work. So if you feel so, I dont will upload any more Intavolations. I think my announcements are not too much, when I have a look at some gibberish you can find here. (More than one has complained this!) But ok, why should I make any uploads more? So all lute players who has downloaded my work, will give thanks to you! Anton To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute Ensemble
Dear Anton, I, for one, enjoy your intabulations and am planning to work on one of your duets with a fellow lutenist. Please keep up the good work. I personally am grateful for your email reminders. Bill Sent from my BlackBerry smartphone from Virgin Media -Original Message- From: Anton Höger diwa-animat...@t-online.de Sender: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:04:09 To: Lutelist Listlute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Lute Ensemble Taco Walstra wrote: Hi anton, I almost see a daily digest of your mails. I just clicked on the link below and it shows a page which promises to give a lute tablature, but in stead gives a score for 2 guitars in staff notation. the same for all other links or it gives an error page (like the italian ground of gibbons for example). So before you send a mail to this list, check if all links work and point to the correct files. anyway, the website shows a nice link recent changes. anybody who is interested in your new contributions can simply look on this website and view which new additions are added. No need, to send an email to hundreds (thousands?) of lutenists for every new addition. Many lutenists are by the way solo players and I assume they have less interest in duets, trios or quartets. So transcriptions for one lute, as many composers of the past often made, could be of more interest for many players perhaps. I would certainly have more interest in such transcriptions! best regards Taco Walstra My answer: Ok, I wrote that IMSLP always check the uploads and need at least one day. Because I often make a transcription for guitar too, it seems that IMSLP cannot handle with the same file name. But sorry if you feel that my more hundreds of Intavolations for 2-4 lutes in any tunings are to much, I will not upload any more Intavolations. My work was thought for the luteplayers in any level. Not everybody can play the English Treble Ground duets or the very complicated Terzi duos or some else. If I look at mediafire, where I first uploaded my Intavolations, there are more than 15000 downloads! So I dont understand your opinion about solo lute players. May be,- but thats one of my reasons I do the Intavolations! I was 10 years teacher for classical guitar and later 15 years for the Renaissance lute. And my experience with all the hundreds of pupils was that they could benefit a lot of ensemble playing. Rhythme, Hearing, Playing prima vista, and a lot more. But a crucial effect is the sound effect of more lutes in an ensemble. Because of the less technical demand the lute players in an Ensemble has an overwelming soundeffect. But I dont want to defend my work. So if you feel so, I dont will upload any more Intavolations. I think my announcements are not too much, when I have a look at some gibberish you can find here. (More than one has complained this!) But ok, why should I make any uploads more? So all lute players who has downloaded my work, will give thanks to you! Anton To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
