[LUTE] Re: Molinaro 12
I have your cd, David. It's very nice and always goes in rotation when
I'm in a Terzi mood.
On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 9:55 AM David van Ooijen
<[1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote:
Some years ago I recorded all the Terzi diets and had a good look
at
his intabulations.Not easy, but not impossible. Here's what I
wrote
at the time:
[1][2]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com/terzis-intabulations/
Davud
On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 at 17:49, Frank A. Gerbode, M.D.
<[2][3]sa...@gerbode.net> wrote:
That seems right. I have encountered a number of intabulations
of
multi-voice (like 5-6) pieces that seem unplayable (and not
just to
me),
and I reached the conclusion that they were conceptual and the
player
did the best they could.
--Sarge
On 3/16/2020 03:08, Ron Andrico wrote:
> I think it is generally accepted that fret positions
that
would call
> for glued frets on the belly are conceptual.
Meaning, if
there was a
> fret there, it would be an o.
>
> Molinaro's music is rich in rapid passage work but the
real
difficulty
> lies in managing the counterpoint.He was an
organist and
some of his
> lute tablature transcribed into keyboard notation could
sound
very well
> on an organ.I think he just worked out his lute
arrangements to the
> fullest and expected that the player would aim for that
ideal
or modify
> as necessary.
>
> RA
>
__
>
> From: [3][4]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu
> <[4][5]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> on
behalf of Sean
Smith
> <[5][6]lutesm...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2020 5:32 PM
> To: lute <[6][7]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Molinaro 12
>
> Are we assuming belly frets up there?
> s
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 10:27 AM Christopher Stetson
> <[1][7][8]christophertstet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...or had large hands. Actually, though, I
don't find
them more
> technically difficult than many of the chanson
intabulations of
>earlier
> publications.
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 1:12 PM Tristan von
Neumann
> <[1][2][8][9]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:
> But seriously, how do you play
> (pardon my French)
> o
> k
> i
> ??
> Molinaro must have played a small lute...
> On 15.03.20 17:59, Sean Smith wrote:
> > I foolishly mentioned that to him
once. In
his
> defense
>he
> pointed out
> > it was his first recording nearly
30 years
ago. I'm
>still
> pretty
> > impressed with it.
> > And then there's his Terzi cd that
is top
notch.
> > Sean
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 11:22 AM
Jurgen
Frenz
> >
<[1][2][3][9][10]eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > what about asking him?
> > Some fool (for our free of charge
pleasure)
> uploaded
>a CD
> of
> > Molinaro pieces played by Paul
Beier (do
you happen
>to know
> him?).
> > Mea culpa I downloaded it - but I
believe I can
> hear
>how he
> was
[LUTE] Re: Molinaro 12
Makes sense. --Sarge On 3/16/2020 09:53, David van Ooijen wrote: Some years ago I recorded all the Terzi diets and had a good look at his intabulations. Not easy, but not impossible. Here's what I wrote at the time: [1]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com/terzis-intabulations/ Davud On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 at 17:49, Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. <[2]sa...@gerbode.net> wrote: That seems right. I have encountered a number of intabulations of multi-voice (like 5-6) pieces that seem unplayable (and not just to me), and I reached the conclusion that they were conceptual and the player did the best they could. --Sarge On 3/16/2020 03:08, Ron Andrico wrote: > I think it is generally accepted that fret positions that would call > for glued frets on the belly are conceptual. Meaning, if there was a > fret there, it would be an o. > > Molinaro's music is rich in rapid passage work but the real difficulty > lies in managing the counterpoint. He was an organist and some of his > lute tablature transcribed into keyboard notation could sound very well > on an organ. I think he just worked out his lute arrangements to the > fullest and expected that the player would aim for that ideal or modify > as necessary. > > RA > __ > > From: [3]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu > <[4]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf of Sean Smith > <[5]lutesm...@gmail.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2020 5:32 PM > To: lute <[6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Molinaro 12 > > Are we assuming belly frets up there? > s > On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 10:27 AM Christopher Stetson > <[1][7]christophertstet...@gmail.com> wrote: > ...or had large hands. Actually, though, I don't find them more > technically difficult than many of the chanson intabulations of > earlier > publications. > On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 1:12 PM Tristan von Neumann > <[1][2][8]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote: >But seriously, how do you play >(pardon my French) >o >k >i >?? >Molinaro must have played a small lute... >On 15.03.20 17:59, Sean Smith wrote: >>I foolishly mentioned that to him once. In his > defense > he >pointed out >>it was his first recording nearly 30 years ago. I'm > still >pretty >>impressed with it. >>And then there's his Terzi cd that is top notch. >>Sean >> >>On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 11:22 AM Jurgen Frenz >> <[1][2][3][9]eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com> wrote: >> >> what about asking him? >> Some fool (for our free of charge pleasure) > uploaded > a CD >of >> Molinaro pieces played by Paul Beier (do you happen > to know >him?). >> Mea culpa I downloaded it - but I believe I can > hear > how he >was >> struggling with the playing technique. >> Best >> JÃÆÃÆÃÆ Ã ¼rgen >> ÃÆ Ã ¢ÃÆ Ã ¢ÃÆ Ã ¢ÃÆ Ã ¢ÃÆ Ã ¢ÃÆ Ã ¢ÃÆ Ã ¢ Original Message ÃÆ Ã ¢ÃÆ Ã ¢ÃÆ Ã ¢ÃÆ > à ¢ÃÆ > à ¢ÃÆ Ã ¢ÃÆ > à ¢ >> On Sunday, March 15, 2020 3:38 PM, Tristan von > Neumann >> <[2][3][4][10]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>
[LUTE] Re: Molinaro 12
Some years ago I recorded all the Terzi diets and had a good look at
his intabulations. Not easy, but not impossible. Here's what I wrote
at the time:
[1]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com/terzis-intabulations/
Davud
On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 at 17:49, Frank A. Gerbode, M.D.
<[2]sa...@gerbode.net> wrote:
That seems right. I have encountered a number of intabulations of
multi-voice (like 5-6) pieces that seem unplayable (and not just to
me),
and I reached the conclusion that they were conceptual and the
player
did the best they could.
--Sarge
On 3/16/2020 03:08, Ron Andrico wrote:
> I think it is generally accepted that fret positions that
would call
> for glued frets on the belly are conceptual. Meaning, if
there was a
> fret there, it would be an o.
>
> Molinaro's music is rich in rapid passage work but the real
difficulty
> lies in managing the counterpoint. He was an organist and
some of his
> lute tablature transcribed into keyboard notation could sound
very well
> on an organ. I think he just worked out his lute
arrangements to the
> fullest and expected that the player would aim for that ideal
or modify
> as necessary.
>
> RA
>
__
>
> From: [3]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu
> <[4]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf of Sean
Smith
> <[5]lutesm...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2020 5:32 PM
> To: lute <[6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Molinaro 12
>
> Are we assuming belly frets up there?
> s
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 10:27 AM Christopher Stetson
> <[1][7]christophertstet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...or had large hands. Actually, though, I don't find
them more
> technically difficult than many of the chanson
intabulations of
> earlier
> publications.
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 1:12 PM Tristan von Neumann
> <[1][2][8]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:
>But seriously, how do you play
>(pardon my French)
>o
>k
>i
>??
>Molinaro must have played a small lute...
>On 15.03.20 17:59, Sean Smith wrote:
>>I foolishly mentioned that to him once. In
his
> defense
> he
>pointed out
>>it was his first recording nearly 30 years
ago. I'm
> still
>pretty
>>impressed with it.
>>And then there's his Terzi cd that is top
notch.
>>Sean
>>
>>On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 11:22 AM Jurgen
Frenz
>>
<[1][2][3][9]eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> what about asking him?
>> Some fool (for our free of charge
pleasure)
> uploaded
> a CD
>of
>> Molinaro pieces played by Paul Beier (do
you happen
> to know
>him?).
>> Mea culpa I downloaded it - but I
believe I can
> hear
> how he
>was
>> struggling with the playing technique.
>> Best
>> JÃÃÃÃÃà à ¼rgen
>> Ãà à ¢Ãà à ¢Ãà à ¢Ãà à ¢ÃÃ
à ¢Ãà à ¢Ãà Ã
¢ Original Message Ãà à ¢Ãà à ¢Ãà à ¢ÃÃ
> à ¢ÃÃ
> à ¢Ãà à ¢ÃÃ
> à ¢
>> On Sunday, March 15, 2020 3:38 PM,
Tristan von
> Neumann
>> <[2][3][4][10]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>
wrote:
>> > But No. 12 is certainly one of the
most difficult
> pieces
>of the
>> entir
[LUTE] Re: Molinaro 12
That seems right. I have encountered a number of intabulations of multi-voice (like 5-6) pieces that seem unplayable (and not just to me), and I reached the conclusion that they were conceptual and the player did the best they could. --Sarge On 3/16/2020 03:08, Ron Andrico wrote: I think it is generally accepted that fret positions that would call for glued frets on the belly are conceptual. Meaning, if there was a fret there, it would be an o. Molinaro's music is rich in rapid passage work but the real difficulty lies in managing the counterpoint. He was an organist and some of his lute tablature transcribed into keyboard notation could sound very well on an organ. I think he just worked out his lute arrangements to the fullest and expected that the player would aim for that ideal or modify as necessary. RA __ From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu on behalf of Sean Smith Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2020 5:32 PM To: lute Subject: [LUTE] Re: Molinaro 12 Are we assuming belly frets up there? s On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 10:27 AM Christopher Stetson <[1]christophertstet...@gmail.com> wrote: ...or had large hands. Actually, though, I don't find them more technically difficult than many of the chanson intabulations of earlier publications. On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 1:12 PM Tristan von Neumann <[1][2]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote: But seriously, how do you play (pardon my French) o k i ?? Molinaro must have played a small lute... On 15.03.20 17:59, Sean Smith wrote: > I foolishly mentioned that to him once. In his defense he pointed out > it was his first recording nearly 30 years ago. I'm still pretty > impressed with it. > And then there's his Terzi cd that is top notch. > Sean > > On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 11:22 AM Jurgen Frenz > <[1][2][3]eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com> wrote: > > what about asking him? > Some fool (for our free of charge pleasure) uploaded a CD of > Molinaro pieces played by Paul Beier (do you happen to know him?). > Mea culpa I downloaded it - but I believe I can hear how he was > struggling with the playing technique. > Best > JÃÃà ¼rgen > à ¢Ã ¢Ã ¢Ã ¢Ã ¢Ã ¢Ã ¢ Original Message à ¢Ã ¢Ã ¢Ã ¢Ã ¢Ã ¢Ã ¢ > On Sunday, March 15, 2020 3:38 PM, Tristan von Neumann > <[2][3][4]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote: > > But No. 12 is certainly one of the most difficult pieces of the > entire > > literature. > > I guess even Paul O'Dette struggled a lot with it. > To get on or off this list see list information at > [3][4][5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- > > References > > 1. mailto:[5][6]eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com > 2. mailto:[6][7]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de > 3. [7][8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > -- References 1. mailto:[9]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 2. mailto:[10]eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com 3. mailto:[11]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 4. [12]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 5. mailto:[13]eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com 6. mailto:[14]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 7. [15]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [1]mailto:christophertstet...@gmail.com 2. [2]mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 3. [3]mailto:eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com 4. [4]mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 5. [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. [6]mailto:eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com 7. [7]mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 8. [8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/l
[LUTE] Re: Molinaro 12
I think it is generally accepted that fret positions that would call for glued frets on the belly are conceptual. Meaning, if there was a fret there, it would be an o. Molinaro's music is rich in rapid passage work but the real difficulty lies in managing the counterpoint. He was an organist and some of his lute tablature transcribed into keyboard notation could sound very well on an organ. I think he just worked out his lute arrangements to the fullest and expected that the player would aim for that ideal or modify as necessary. RA __ From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu on behalf of Sean Smith Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2020 5:32 PM To: lute Subject: [LUTE] Re: Molinaro 12 Are we assuming belly frets up there? s On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 10:27 AM Christopher Stetson <[1]christophertstet...@gmail.com> wrote: ...or had large hands. Actually, though, I don't find them more technically difficult than many of the chanson intabulations of earlier publications. On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 1:12 PM Tristan von Neumann <[1][2]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote: But seriously, how do you play (pardon my French) o k i ?? Molinaro must have played a small lute... On 15.03.20 17:59, Sean Smith wrote: > I foolishly mentioned that to him once. In his defense he pointed out > it was his first recording nearly 30 years ago. I'm still pretty > impressed with it. > And then there's his Terzi cd that is top notch. > Sean > > On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 11:22 AM Jurgen Frenz > <[1][2][3]eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com> wrote: > > what about asking him? > Some fool (for our free of charge pleasure) uploaded a CD of > Molinaro pieces played by Paul Beier (do you happen to know him?). > Mea culpa I downloaded it - but I believe I can hear how he was > struggling with the playing technique. > Best > JÃÃà ¼rgen > à ¢à ¢à ¢à ¢à ¢à ¢à ¢ Original Message à ¢à ¢à ¢à ¢à ¢à ¢à ¢ > On Sunday, March 15, 2020 3:38 PM, Tristan von Neumann > <[2][3][4]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote: > > But No. 12 is certainly one of the most difficult pieces of the > entire > > literature. > > I guess even Paul O'Dette struggled a lot with it. > To get on or off this list see list information at > [3][4][5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- > > References > > 1. mailto:[5][6]eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com > 2. mailto:[6][7]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de > 3. [7][8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > -- References 1. mailto:[9]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 2. mailto:[10]eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com 3. mailto:[11]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 4. [12]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 5. mailto:[13]eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com 6. mailto:[14]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 7. [15]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [1]mailto:christophertstet...@gmail.com 2. [2]mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 3. [3]mailto:eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com 4. [4]mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 5. [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. [6]mailto:eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com 7. [7]mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 8. [8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 9. [9]mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 10. [10]mailto:eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com 11. [11]mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 12. [12]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 13. [13]mailto:eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com 14. [14]mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 15. [15]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-a
[LUTE] Re: Molinaro 12
I only have "n"... So this part needs large hands and a lot of luck. On 15.03.20 18:32, Sean Smith wrote: Are we assuming belly frets up there? s On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 10:27 AM Christopher Stetson <[1]christophertstet...@gmail.com> wrote: ...or had large hands. Actually, though, I don't find them more technically difficult than many of the chanson intabulations of earlier publications. On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 1:12 PM Tristan von Neumann <[1][2]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote: But seriously, how do you play (pardon my French) o k i ?? Molinaro must have played a small lute... On 15.03.20 17:59, Sean Smith wrote: > I foolishly mentioned that to him once. In his defense he pointed out > it was his first recording nearly 30 years ago. I'm still pretty > impressed with it. > And then there's his Terzi cd that is top notch. > Sean > > On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 11:22 AM Jurgen Frenz > <[1][2][3]eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com> wrote: > > what about asking him? > Some fool (for our free of charge pleasure) uploaded a CD of > Molinaro pieces played by Paul Beier (do you happen to know him?). > Mea culpa I downloaded it - but I believe I can hear how he was > struggling with the playing technique. > Best > JÃÃà ¼rgen > à ¢Ã ¢Ã ¢Ã ¢Ã ¢Ã ¢Ã ¢ Original Message à ¢Ã ¢Ã ¢Ã ¢Ã ¢Ã ¢Ã ¢ > On Sunday, March 15, 2020 3:38 PM, Tristan von Neumann > <[2][3][4]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote: > > But No. 12 is certainly one of the most difficult pieces of the > entire > > literature. > > I guess even Paul O'Dette struggled a lot with it. > To get on or off this list see list information at > [3][4][5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- > > References > > 1. mailto:[5][6]eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com > 2. mailto:[6][7]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de > 3. [7][8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > -- References 1. mailto:[9]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 2. mailto:[10]eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com 3. mailto:[11]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 4. [12]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 5. mailto:[13]eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com 6. mailto:[14]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 7. [15]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:christophertstet...@gmail.com 2. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 3. mailto:eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com 4. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. mailto:eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com 7. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 9. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 10. mailto:eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com 11. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 12. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 13. mailto:eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com 14. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 15. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Molinaro 12
Are we assuming belly frets up there? s On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 10:27 AM Christopher Stetson <[1]christophertstet...@gmail.com> wrote: ...or had large hands. Actually, though, I don't find them more technically difficult than many of the chanson intabulations of earlier publications. On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 1:12 PM Tristan von Neumann <[1][2]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote: But seriously, how do you play (pardon my French) o k i ?? Molinaro must have played a small lute... On 15.03.20 17:59, Sean Smith wrote: > I foolishly mentioned that to him once. In his defense he pointed out > it was his first recording nearly 30 years ago. I'm still pretty > impressed with it. > And then there's his Terzi cd that is top notch. > Sean > > On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 11:22 AM Jurgen Frenz > <[1][2][3]eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com> wrote: > > what about asking him? > Some fool (for our free of charge pleasure) uploaded a CD of > Molinaro pieces played by Paul Beier (do you happen to know him?). > Mea culpa I downloaded it - but I believe I can hear how he was > struggling with the playing technique. > Best > JÃÃà ¼rgen > à ¢à ¢à ¢à ¢à ¢à ¢à ¢ Original Message à ¢à ¢à ¢à ¢à ¢à ¢à ¢ > On Sunday, March 15, 2020 3:38 PM, Tristan von Neumann > <[2][3][4]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote: > > But No. 12 is certainly one of the most difficult pieces of the > entire > > literature. > > I guess even Paul O'Dette struggled a lot with it. > To get on or off this list see list information at > [3][4][5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- > > References > > 1. mailto:[5][6]eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com > 2. mailto:[6][7]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de > 3. [7][8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > -- References 1. mailto:[9]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 2. mailto:[10]eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com 3. mailto:[11]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 4. [12]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 5. mailto:[13]eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com 6. mailto:[14]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 7. [15]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:christophertstet...@gmail.com 2. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 3. mailto:eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com 4. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. mailto:eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com 7. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 9. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 10. mailto:eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com 11. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 12. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 13. mailto:eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com 14. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 15. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Molinaro 12
...or had large hands. Actually, though, I don't find them more technically difficult than many of the chanson intabulations of earlier publications. On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 1:12 PM Tristan von Neumann <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote: But seriously, how do you play (pardon my French) o k i ?? Molinaro must have played a small lute... On 15.03.20 17:59, Sean Smith wrote: > I foolishly mentioned that to him once. In his defense he pointed out > it was his first recording nearly 30 years ago. I'm still pretty > impressed with it. > And then there's his Terzi cd that is top notch. > Sean > > On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 11:22 AM Jurgen Frenz > <[1][2]eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com> wrote: > >what about asking him? >Some fool (for our free of charge pleasure) uploaded a CD of >Molinaro pieces played by Paul Beier (do you happen to know him?). >Mea culpa I downloaded it - but I believe I can hear how he was >struggling with the playing technique. >Best >JÃÃà ¼rgen >à ¢à ¢à ¢à ¢à ¢à ¢à ¢ Original Message à ¢à ¢à ¢à ¢à ¢à ¢à ¢ >On Sunday, March 15, 2020 3:38 PM, Tristan von Neumann ><[2][3]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote: >> But No. 12 is certainly one of the most difficult pieces of the >entire >> literature. >> I guess even Paul O'Dette struggled a lot with it. >To get on or off this list see list information at > [3][4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- > > References > > 1. mailto:[5]eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com > 2. mailto:[6]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de > 3. [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > -- References 1. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 2. mailto:eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com 3. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 5. mailto:eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com 6. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Molinaro 12
But seriously, how do you play (pardon my French) o k i ?? Molinaro must have played a small lute... On 15.03.20 17:59, Sean Smith wrote: I foolishly mentioned that to him once. In his defense he pointed out it was his first recording nearly 30 years ago. I'm still pretty impressed with it. And then there's his Terzi cd that is top notch. Sean On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 11:22 AM Jurgen Frenz <[1]eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com> wrote: what about asking him? Some fool (for our free of charge pleasure) uploaded a CD of Molinaro pieces played by Paul Beier (do you happen to know him?). Mea culpa I downloaded it - but I believe I can hear how he was struggling with the playing technique. Best Jürgen âââââââ Original Message âââââââ On Sunday, March 15, 2020 3:38 PM, Tristan von Neumann <[2]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote: > But No. 12 is certainly one of the most difficult pieces of the entire > literature. > I guess even Paul O'Dette struggled a lot with it. To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com 2. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Molinaro 12
I foolishly mentioned that to him once. In his defense he pointed out it was his first recording nearly 30 years ago. I'm still pretty impressed with it. And then there's his Terzi cd that is top notch. Sean On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 11:22 AM Jurgen Frenz <[1]eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com> wrote: what about asking him? Some fool (for our free of charge pleasure) uploaded a CD of Molinaro pieces played by Paul Beier (do you happen to know him?). Mea culpa I downloaded it - but I believe I can hear how he was struggling with the playing technique. Best Jürgen âââââââ Original Message âââââââ On Sunday, March 15, 2020 3:38 PM, Tristan von Neumann <[2]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote: > But No. 12 is certainly one of the most difficult pieces of the entire > literature. > I guess even Paul O'Dette struggled a lot with it. To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com 2. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Molinaro 12
what about asking him? Some fool (for our free of charge pleasure) uploaded a CD of Molinaro pieces played by Paul Beier (do you happen to know him?). Mea culpa I downloaded it - but I believe I can hear how he was struggling with the playing technique. Best Jürgen ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Sunday, March 15, 2020 3:38 PM, Tristan von Neumann wrote: > But No. 12 is certainly one of the most difficult pieces of the entire > literature. > I guess even Paul O'Dette struggled a lot with it. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Molinaro 12
Molinaro's collection is one of the best books! You should have a look at it again. No. 1 isn't that difficult, maybe you weren't up to par back then. It plays better with thumb out. Other playable fantasies are Nos. 3, 5 and 13. The Conte Orlando Ballo is also nice to have in the repertoire. But No. 12 is certainly one of the most difficult pieces of the entire literature. I guess even Paul O'Dette struggled a lot with it. Passamezzo was *the* learning platform for diminutions and improvisation. It was after 1560 that those really gained momentum. Wurstisen Lute Book has 100 of them, many very unusual and creative. On 15.03.20 15:13, Christopher Stetson wrote: Hello all. I have Molinaro in facsimile, the old SPES edition. I'm sure I tried 12, but frankly remember that even #1 stretched my abilities. That was at least 25 years ago, though, so perhaps I should take another look (especially now while I have some spare time). However, having gotten the book out, I'm reminded of an old question: did lute players ca. 1600 really like passamezo variations THAT much? Best, and keep playing. -Chris. On Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 2:14 PM Tristan von Neumann <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote: I should have tried "duodecima" too... On 13.03.20 18:57, Jurgen Frenz wrote: > O'Dette... you should try google sometime :-) > > [2]https://www.amazon.com/Fantasie-Canzoni-Balli-Simone-Molinaro/dp/ B5OB21 > > > ___ > Jürgen Frenz - Zittau im Dreiländereck PL/CZ/DE"Mata Telinga" Alte+Neue Musik +49 15733699647 > > âââââââ Original Message âââââââ > On Friday, March 13, 2020 6:18 PM, Tristan von Neumann <[3]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote: > >> Dear Lutists, >> >> has anyone tried Molinaro's Fantasy No. 12 yet? >> >> It is most interesting, but unfortunately it's probably one of the most >> difficult fantasies to play :( >> >> Any recordings?... >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > -- References 1. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 2. https://www.amazon.com/Fantasie-Canzoni-Balli-Simone-Molinaro/dp/B5OB21 3. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Molinaro 12
Hello all. I have Molinaro in facsimile, the old SPES edition. I'm sure I tried 12, but frankly remember that even #1 stretched my abilities. That was at least 25 years ago, though, so perhaps I should take another look (especially now while I have some spare time). However, having gotten the book out, I'm reminded of an old question: did lute players ca. 1600 really like passamezo variations THAT much? Best, and keep playing. -Chris. On Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 2:14 PM Tristan von Neumann <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote: I should have tried "duodecima" too... On 13.03.20 18:57, Jurgen Frenz wrote: > O'Dette... you should try google sometime :-) > > [2]https://www.amazon.com/Fantasie-Canzoni-Balli-Simone-Molinaro/dp/ B5OB21 > > > ___ > Jürgen Frenz - Zittau im Dreiländereck PL/CZ/DE"Mata Telinga" Alte+Neue Musik +49 15733699647 > > âââââââ Original Message âââââââ > On Friday, March 13, 2020 6:18 PM, Tristan von Neumann <[3]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote: > >> Dear Lutists, >> >> has anyone tried Molinaro's Fantasy No. 12 yet? >> >> It is most interesting, but unfortunately it's probably one of the most >> difficult fantasies to play :( >> >> Any recordings?... >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > -- References 1. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 2. https://www.amazon.com/Fantasie-Canzoni-Balli-Simone-Molinaro/dp/B5OB21 3. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Molinaro 12
O'Dette... you should try google sometime :-) https://www.amazon.com/Fantasie-Canzoni-Balli-Simone-Molinaro/dp/B5OB21 ___ Jürgen Frenz - Zittau im Dreiländereck PL/CZ/DE"Mata Telinga" Alte+Neue Musik +49 15733699647 ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Friday, March 13, 2020 6:18 PM, Tristan von Neumann wrote: > Dear Lutists, > > has anyone tried Molinaro's Fantasy No. 12 yet? > > It is most interesting, but unfortunately it's probably one of the most > difficult fantasies to play :( > > Any recordings?... > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Molinaro 12
I should have tried "duodecima" too... On 13.03.20 18:57, Jurgen Frenz wrote: O'Dette... you should try google sometime :-) https://www.amazon.com/Fantasie-Canzoni-Balli-Simone-Molinaro/dp/B5OB21 ___ Jürgen Frenz - Zittau im Dreiländereck PL/CZ/DE"Mata Telinga" Alte+Neue Musik +49 15733699647 ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Friday, March 13, 2020 6:18 PM, Tristan von Neumann wrote: Dear Lutists, has anyone tried Molinaro's Fantasy No. 12 yet? It is most interesting, but unfortunately it's probably one of the most difficult fantasies to play :( Any recordings?... To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
