[LUTE] Re: Obbligato lute and theorbo

2015-02-11 Thread Dan Winheld

Ralf-
Thank you! Never knew- any pictures of this thing? Anyone 
building/playing them these days?

Dan

On 2/11/2015 8:27 AM, Mattes wrote:
  
Am Mittwoch, 11. Februar 2015 17:17 CET, Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net schrieb:
  

   ...a pantaleon solo...

I thought I knew all the instruments-

Surely not this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkHngpNdrJY


No, a Panthaleon, named after the (back then) famous virtuoso Panthaleon 
Hebenstreit.
This was a (enormously large) hammered dulcimer invented by Mr. Hebenstreit and 
build
by Silbermann, strung with both metal _and_ gut strings.
Hebenstreit was the highest paid musician at the Dresden court - got even more 
money than
Pisendel.

  HTH Ralf Mattes

  
  
  
  







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[LUTE] Re: Obbligato lute and theorbo

2015-02-11 Thread Dan Winheld

 ...a pantaleon solo...

I thought I knew all the instruments-

Surely not this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkHngpNdrJY


On 2/11/2015 3:37 AM, Stephan Olbertz wrote:

This is exciting! Hier hängt die Unschuld nackt und bloss, aria with Tenor
and (judged by the mp3 on amzon.de) d-minor theorbo. Gebel was a close
friend of Johann Kropfgans. I believe his single lute piece is an
arrangement of a pantaleon solo, which Gebel played quite succesfully (he
used an all gut-strung instrument, BTW).

Thanks and best regards

Stephan

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag
von David van Ooijen
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. Februar 2015 11:51
An: Stephan Olbertz
Cc: lutelist Net
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Obbligato lute and theorbo

Dear Stephan

I stand corrected. I remembered it as Graupner because of the
anniversary year and because ofA all the Graupner I played myself, but
it was Gebel. Georg Gebel. Johannes Passion with obligato lute.A

My apologies for the wild goose chase and/or red herrings. Neither for
Lent.A

David
On Wednesday, February 11, 2015, Stephan Olbertz
[1]stephan.olbe...@web.de wrote:

  Dear David,
  I'm afraid I'm still not able to find it. Lots of amazing music, but
  no lute
  and no St. John/Johannes
  Now, what did your friend play?
  Regards
  Stephan
  -UrsprA 1/4ngliche Nachricht-
  Von: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
  [mailto:[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag
  von David van Ooijen
  Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Februar 2015 11:37
  An: Stephan Olbertz; lutelist Net
  Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Obbligato lute and theorbo
  A  A I'm nit at home so cannit check. Graupner'sA Johannes is onA in
  A  A YouTube. It was a bit of a fad in Holland some years ago, at
  the
  A  A anniversary of Graupners birth or death. It's a long piece.
  Haven't
  A  A played it myself, but aA friend did and tild me it was
  nicedavid
  A  A On Wednesday, February 4, 2015, Stephan Olbertz
  A  A [1][4]stephan.olbe...@web.de wrote:
  A  A  A Hi David,
  A  A  A the Graupner reference is interesting, but I neither can
  find a
  A  A  A lute-instrumentation in the database of his works, nor a
  Joahnnes
  A  A  A Passion.
  A  A  A Could you clarify this?
  A  A  A [2][5]http://www.graupner-digital.org/gwv.php
  A  A  A Thanks and regards
  A  A  A Stephan
 







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[LUTE] Re: Obbligato lute and theorbo

2015-02-11 Thread Dan Winheld

Got it-

http://www.la-gioia-armonica.de/english/margit-übellacker-dulcimer-salterio-dulcemelos/instruments/


On 2/11/2015 8:27 AM, Mattes wrote:
  
Am Mittwoch, 11. Februar 2015 17:17 CET, Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net schrieb:
  

   ...a pantaleon solo...

I thought I knew all the instruments-

Surely not this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkHngpNdrJY


No, a Panthaleon, named after the (back then) famous virtuoso Panthaleon 
Hebenstreit.
This was a (enormously large) hammered dulcimer invented by Mr. Hebenstreit and 
build
by Silbermann, strung with both metal _and_ gut strings.
Hebenstreit was the highest paid musician at the Dresden court - got even more 
money than
Pisendel.

  HTH Ralf Mattes

  
  
  
  







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[LUTE] Re: Obbligato lute and theorbo

2015-02-11 Thread David van Ooijen
   Dear Stephan

   I stand corrected. I remembered it as Graupner because of the
   anniversary year and because ofA all the Graupner I played myself, but
   it was Gebel. Georg Gebel. Johannes Passion with obligato lute.A

   My apologies for the wild goose chase and/or red herrings. Neither for
   Lent.A

   David
   On Wednesday, February 11, 2015, Stephan Olbertz
   [1]stephan.olbe...@web.de wrote:

 Dear David,
 I'm afraid I'm still not able to find it. Lots of amazing music, but
 no lute
 and no St. John/Johannes
 Now, what did your friend play?
 Regards
 Stephan
 -UrsprA 1/4ngliche Nachricht-
 Von: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 [mailto:[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag
 von David van Ooijen
 Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Februar 2015 11:37
 An: Stephan Olbertz; lutelist Net
 Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Obbligato lute and theorbo
 A  A I'm nit at home so cannit check. Graupner'sA Johannes is onA in
 A  A YouTube. It was a bit of a fad in Holland some years ago, at
 the
 A  A anniversary of Graupners birth or death. It's a long piece.
 Haven't
 A  A played it myself, but aA friend did and tild me it was
 nicedavid
 A  A On Wednesday, February 4, 2015, Stephan Olbertz
 A  A [1][4]stephan.olbe...@web.de wrote:
 A  A  A Hi David,
 A  A  A the Graupner reference is interesting, but I neither can
 find a
 A  A  A lute-instrumentation in the database of his works, nor a
 Joahnnes
 A  A  A Passion.
 A  A  A Could you clarify this?
 A  A  A [2][5]http://www.graupner-digital.org/gwv.php
 A  A  A Thanks and regards
 A  A  A Stephan
 A  A  A -UrsprA 1/4ngliche Nachricht-
 A  A  A Von: [3][6]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 A  A  A [mailto:[4][7]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag
 A  A  A von David van Ooijen
 A  A  A Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Februar 2015 09:09
 A  A  A Cc: List LUTELIST
 A  A  A Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Obbligato lute and theorbo
 A  A  A AA  A Wagner aria in Meistersinger.
 A  A  A AA  A Britten aria in The Triumph Orianna (written for lute
 but final
 A  A  A score
 A  A  A AA  A has guitar)
 A  A  A AA  A There's a lot of Telemann that has lute(like)
 instruments
 A  A  A obligato.
 A  A  A AA  A Worth to check his cantatas.
 A  A  A AA  A Graupner too (there's obligato lute in his Johannes
 Passion)
 A  A  A AA  A Bach (Mattheus, Johannes and the Trauerode)
 A  A  A AA  A Handel (/Mozart) Caecilia Ode
 A  A  A AA  A Several contemporary pieces have arias with obligato
 lute.
 A  A  A Perhaps this
 A  A  A AA  A falls A outside your project?
 A  A  A AA  A David
 A  A  A AA  A ***
 A  A  A AA  A David van Ooijen
 A  A  A AA  A [1][5][8]davidvanooi...@gmail.com
 A  A  A AA  A [2][6][9]www.davidvanooijen.nl
 A  A  A AA  A ***
 A  A  A AA  A On 4 February 2015 at 08:55, jean-michel Catherinot
 A  A  A AA  A [3][7][10]jeanmichel.catheri...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 wrote:
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  A la nascita of Albinoni is also on ISMLP
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  A Le Mercredi 4 fA(c)vrier 2015 0h02, Andrea
 Damiani
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  A [4][8][11]andreadelli...@gmail.com a
 A(c)crit :
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  A Dear Diego
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  A I can add:
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  A F. Gasparini: L'oracolo del fato
 (Garland
 A  A  A facsimile)
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  A T. Albinoni: Il nascimento dell'Aurora
 A  A  A (unfortunately I have
 A  A  A AA  AA  A not the
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  A music, I played it many years ago, the
 ms. should
 A  A  A be in
 A  A  A AA  AA  A Wien)
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  A G.B. Pergolesi: La morte di San
 Giovanni (I
 A  A  A haven't this any
 A  A  A AA  AA  A more...)
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  A F.B. Conti: David (I can find this out
 but need
 A  A  A some
 A  A  A AA  AA  A time...)
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  A Andrea
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  A 2015-02-03 10:57 GMT+01:00 Diego
 Cantalupi
 A  A  A AA  AA  A [1][1][5][9][12]tio...@gmail.com:
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  AAA  A Dear friends,
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  AAA  A For a project in the
 Conservatorio where I
 A  A  A teach I'm
 A  A  A AA  AA  A collecting
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  A some
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  AAA  A arias with obbligato lute and
 theorbo.
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  AAA  A At the moment I have all the Bach
 music, all
 A  A  A the
 A  A  A AA  AA  A HACURndel, some
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  AAA  A Vivaldi, a cantata by Ferrandini
 and (the
 A  A  A funny)
 A  A  A AA  AA  A Zandonai.
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  AAA  A Do you have any other

[LUTE] Re: Obbligato lute and theorbo

2015-02-11 Thread Stephan Olbertz
This is exciting! Hier hängt die Unschuld nackt und bloss, aria with Tenor
and (judged by the mp3 on amzon.de) d-minor theorbo. Gebel was a close
friend of Johann Kropfgans. I believe his single lute piece is an
arrangement of a pantaleon solo, which Gebel played quite succesfully (he
used an all gut-strung instrument, BTW).

Thanks and best regards

Stephan

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag
von David van Ooijen
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. Februar 2015 11:51
An: Stephan Olbertz
Cc: lutelist Net
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Obbligato lute and theorbo

   Dear Stephan

   I stand corrected. I remembered it as Graupner because of the
   anniversary year and because ofA all the Graupner I played myself, but
   it was Gebel. Georg Gebel. Johannes Passion with obligato lute.A

   My apologies for the wild goose chase and/or red herrings. Neither for
   Lent.A

   David
   On Wednesday, February 11, 2015, Stephan Olbertz
   [1]stephan.olbe...@web.de wrote:

 Dear David,
 I'm afraid I'm still not able to find it. Lots of amazing music, but
 no lute
 and no St. John/Johannes
 Now, what did your friend play?
 Regards
 Stephan
 -UrsprA 1/4ngliche Nachricht-
 Von: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 [mailto:[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag
 von David van Ooijen
 Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Februar 2015 11:37
 An: Stephan Olbertz; lutelist Net
 Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Obbligato lute and theorbo
 A  A I'm nit at home so cannit check. Graupner'sA Johannes is onA in
 A  A YouTube. It was a bit of a fad in Holland some years ago, at
 the
 A  A anniversary of Graupners birth or death. It's a long piece.
 Haven't
 A  A played it myself, but aA friend did and tild me it was
 nicedavid
 A  A On Wednesday, February 4, 2015, Stephan Olbertz
 A  A [1][4]stephan.olbe...@web.de wrote:
 A  A  A Hi David,
 A  A  A the Graupner reference is interesting, but I neither can
 find a
 A  A  A lute-instrumentation in the database of his works, nor a
 Joahnnes
 A  A  A Passion.
 A  A  A Could you clarify this?
 A  A  A [2][5]http://www.graupner-digital.org/gwv.php
 A  A  A Thanks and regards
 A  A  A Stephan
 A  A  A -UrsprA 1/4ngliche Nachricht-
 A  A  A Von: [3][6]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 A  A  A [mailto:[4][7]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag
 A  A  A von David van Ooijen
 A  A  A Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Februar 2015 09:09
 A  A  A Cc: List LUTELIST
 A  A  A Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Obbligato lute and theorbo
 A  A  A AA  A Wagner aria in Meistersinger.
 A  A  A AA  A Britten aria in The Triumph Orianna (written for lute
 but final
 A  A  A score
 A  A  A AA  A has guitar)
 A  A  A AA  A There's a lot of Telemann that has lute(like)
 instruments
 A  A  A obligato.
 A  A  A AA  A Worth to check his cantatas.
 A  A  A AA  A Graupner too (there's obligato lute in his Johannes
 Passion)
 A  A  A AA  A Bach (Mattheus, Johannes and the Trauerode)
 A  A  A AA  A Handel (/Mozart) Caecilia Ode
 A  A  A AA  A Several contemporary pieces have arias with obligato
 lute.
 A  A  A Perhaps this
 A  A  A AA  A falls A outside your project?
 A  A  A AA  A David
 A  A  A AA  A ***
 A  A  A AA  A David van Ooijen
 A  A  A AA  A [1][5][8]davidvanooi...@gmail.com
 A  A  A AA  A [2][6][9]www.davidvanooijen.nl
 A  A  A AA  A ***
 A  A  A AA  A On 4 February 2015 at 08:55, jean-michel Catherinot
 A  A  A AA  A [3][7][10]jeanmichel.catheri...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 wrote:
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  A la nascita of Albinoni is also on ISMLP
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  A Le Mercredi 4 fA(c)vrier 2015 0h02, Andrea
 Damiani
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  A [4][8][11]andreadelli...@gmail.com a
 A(c)crit :
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  A Dear Diego
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  A I can add:
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  A F. Gasparini: L'oracolo del fato
 (Garland
 A  A  A facsimile)
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  A T. Albinoni: Il nascimento dell'Aurora
 A  A  A (unfortunately I have
 A  A  A AA  AA  A not the
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  A music, I played it many years ago, the
 ms. should
 A  A  A be in
 A  A  A AA  AA  A Wien)
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  A G.B. Pergolesi: La morte di San
 Giovanni (I
 A  A  A haven't this any
 A  A  A AA  AA  A more...)
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  A F.B. Conti: David (I can find this out
 but need
 A  A  A some
 A  A  A AA  AA  A time...)
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  A Andrea
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  A 2015-02-03 10:57 GMT+01:00 Diego
 Cantalupi
 A  A  A AA  AA  A [1][1][5][9][12]tio...@gmail.com:
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  AAA  A Dear

[LUTE] Re: Obbligato lute and theorbo

2015-02-04 Thread jean-michel Catherinot
   la morte di San Giuseppe Pergolese, aria con viola d'amore non puo chi
   tutto
   Le Mercredi 4 fA(c)vrier 2015 9h07, jean-michel Catherinot
   jeanmichel.catheri...@yahoo.com a A(c)crit :
   IMSLP indeed...
   Le Mercredi 4 fA(c)vrier 2015 8h55, jean-michel Catherinot
   jeanmichel.catheri...@yahoo.com a A(c)crit :
   la nascita of Albinoni is also on ISMLP
   Le Mercredi 4 fA(c)vrier 2015 0h02, Andrea Damiani
   andreadelli...@gmail.com a A(c)crit :
 Dear Diego
 I can add:
 F. Gasparini: L'oracolo del fato (Garland facsimile)
 T. Albinoni: Il nascimento dell'Aurora (unfortunately I have not the
 music, I played it many years ago, the ms. should be in Wien)
 G.B. Pergolesi: La morte di San Giovanni (I haven't this any more...)
 F.B. Conti: David (I can find this out but need some time...)
 Andrea
 2015-02-03 10:57 GMT+01:00 Diego Cantalupi [1][1]tio...@gmail.com:
   Dear friends,
   For a project in the Conservatorio where I teach I'm collecting
   some
   arias with obbligato lute and theorbo.
   At the moment I have all the Bach music, all the HACURndel, some
   Vivaldi, a cantata by Ferrandini and (the funny) Zandonai.
   Do you have any other suggestions?
   What I'm looking for is not lute as an obbligato continuo
   instrument, but as a solo instrument (like Bach's Johannespassion).
   Greetings,
   Diego
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[LUTE] Re: Obbligato lute and theorbo

2015-02-04 Thread jean-michel Catherinot
   IMSLP indeed...
   Le Mercredi 4 fA(c)vrier 2015 8h55, jean-michel Catherinot
   jeanmichel.catheri...@yahoo.com a A(c)crit :
   la nascita of Albinoni is also on ISMLP
   Le Mercredi 4 fA(c)vrier 2015 0h02, Andrea Damiani
   andreadelli...@gmail.com a A(c)crit :
 Dear Diego
 I can add:
 F. Gasparini: L'oracolo del fato (Garland facsimile)
 T. Albinoni: Il nascimento dell'Aurora (unfortunately I have not the
 music, I played it many years ago, the ms. should be in Wien)
 G.B. Pergolesi: La morte di San Giovanni (I haven't this any more...)
 F.B. Conti: David (I can find this out but need some time...)
 Andrea
 2015-02-03 10:57 GMT+01:00 Diego Cantalupi [1][1]tio...@gmail.com:
   Dear friends,
   For a project in the Conservatorio where I teach I'm collecting
   some
   arias with obbligato lute and theorbo.
   At the moment I have all the Bach music, all the HACURndel, some
   Vivaldi, a cantata by Ferrandini and (the funny) Zandonai.
   Do you have any other suggestions?
   What I'm looking for is not lute as an obbligato continuo
   instrument, but as a solo instrument (like Bach's Johannespassion).
   Greetings,
   Diego
   Inviato da iPad
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 2. [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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[LUTE] Re: Obbligato lute and theorbo

2015-02-04 Thread jean-michel Catherinot
   la nascita of Albinoni is also on ISMLP
   Le Mercredi 4 fA(c)vrier 2015 0h02, Andrea Damiani
   andreadelli...@gmail.com a A(c)crit :
 Dear Diego
 I can add:
 F. Gasparini: L'oracolo del fato (Garland facsimile)
 T. Albinoni: Il nascimento dell'Aurora (unfortunately I have not the
 music, I played it many years ago, the ms. should be in Wien)
 G.B. Pergolesi: La morte di San Giovanni (I haven't this any more...)
 F.B. Conti: David (I can find this out but need some time...)
 Andrea
 2015-02-03 10:57 GMT+01:00 Diego Cantalupi [1][1]tio...@gmail.com:
   Dear friends,
   For a project in the Conservatorio where I teach I'm collecting
   some
   arias with obbligato lute and theorbo.
   At the moment I have all the Bach music, all the HACURndel, some
   Vivaldi, a cantata by Ferrandini and (the funny) Zandonai.
   Do you have any other suggestions?
   What I'm looking for is not lute as an obbligato continuo
   instrument, but as a solo instrument (like Bach's Johannespassion).
   Greetings,
   Diego
   Inviato da iPad
   To get on or off this list see list information at
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 --
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 2. [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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[LUTE] Re: Obbligato lute and theorbo

2015-02-04 Thread David van Ooijen
   Wagner aria in Meistersinger.
   Britten aria in The Triumph Orianna (written for lute but final score
   has guitar)
   There's a lot of Telemann that has lute(like) instruments obligato.
   Worth to check his cantatas.
   Graupner too (there's obligato lute in his Johannes Passion)
   Bach (Mattheus, Johannes and the Trauerode)
   Handel (/Mozart) Caecilia Ode
   Several contemporary pieces have arias with obligato lute. Perhaps this
   falls A outside your project?
   David

   ***
   David van Ooijen
   [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com
   [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl
   ***
   On 4 February 2015 at 08:55, jean-michel Catherinot
   [3]jeanmichel.catheri...@cs.dartmouth.edu wrote:

 A  A la nascita of Albinoni is also on ISMLP
 A  A Le Mercredi 4 fA(c)vrier 2015 0h02, Andrea Damiani
 A  A [4]andreadelli...@gmail.com a A(c)crit :
 A  A  A Dear Diego
 A  A  A I can add:
 A  A  A F. Gasparini: L'oracolo del fato (Garland facsimile)
 A  A  A T. Albinoni: Il nascimento dell'Aurora (unfortunately I have
 not the
 A  A  A music, I played it many years ago, the ms. should be in
 Wien)
 A  A  A G.B. Pergolesi: La morte di San Giovanni (I haven't this any
 more...)
 A  A  A F.B. Conti: David (I can find this out but need some
 time...)
 A  A  A Andrea
 A  A  A 2015-02-03 10:57 GMT+01:00 Diego Cantalupi
 [1][1][5]tio...@gmail.com:
 A  A  A  A Dear friends,
 A  A  A  A For a project in the Conservatorio where I teach I'm
 collecting
 A  A some
 A  A  A  A arias with obbligato lute and theorbo.
 A  A  A  A At the moment I have all the Bach music, all the
 HACURndel, some
 A  A  A  A Vivaldi, a cantata by Ferrandini and (the funny)
 Zandonai.
 A  A  A  A Do you have any other suggestions?
 A  A  A  A What I'm looking for is not lute as an obbligato continuo
 A  A  A  A instrument, but as a solo instrument (like Bach's
 Johannespassion).
 A  A  A  A Greetings,
 A  A  A  A Diego
 A  A  A  A Inviato da iPad
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 A  A References
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 References
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 A  A 2. [10]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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   3. mailto:jeanmichel.catheri...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   4. mailto:andreadelli...@gmail.com
   5. mailto:tio...@gmail.com
   6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
   7. mailto:tio...@gmail.com
   8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
   9. mailto:tio...@gmail.com
  10. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
  11. mailto:tio...@gmail.com
  12. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html



[LUTE] Re: Obbligato lute and theorbo

2015-02-04 Thread David van Ooijen
   I'm nit at home so cannit check. Graupner'sA Johannes is onA in
   YouTube. It was a bit of a fad in Holland some years ago, at the
   anniversary of Graupners birth or death. It's a long piece. Haven't
   played it myself, but aA friend did and tild me it was nicedavid
   On Wednesday, February 4, 2015, Stephan Olbertz
   [1]stephan.olbe...@web.de wrote:

 Hi David,
 the Graupner reference is interesting, but I neither can find a
 lute-instrumentation in the database of his works, nor a Joahnnes
 Passion.
 Could you clarify this?
 [2]http://www.graupner-digital.org/gwv.php
 Thanks and regards
 Stephan
 -UrsprA 1/4ngliche Nachricht-
 Von: [3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 [mailto:[4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag
 von David van Ooijen
 Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Februar 2015 09:09
 Cc: List LUTELIST
 Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Obbligato lute and theorbo
 A  A Wagner aria in Meistersinger.
 A  A Britten aria in The Triumph Orianna (written for lute but final
 score
 A  A has guitar)
 A  A There's a lot of Telemann that has lute(like) instruments
 obligato.
 A  A Worth to check his cantatas.
 A  A Graupner too (there's obligato lute in his Johannes Passion)
 A  A Bach (Mattheus, Johannes and the Trauerode)
 A  A Handel (/Mozart) Caecilia Ode
 A  A Several contemporary pieces have arias with obligato lute.
 Perhaps this
 A  A falls A outside your project?
 A  A David
 A  A ***
 A  A David van Ooijen
 A  A [1][5]davidvanooi...@gmail.com
 A  A [2][6]www.davidvanooijen.nl
 A  A ***
 A  A On 4 February 2015 at 08:55, jean-michel Catherinot
 A  A [3][7]jeanmichel.catheri...@cs.dartmouth.edu wrote:
 A  A  A AA  A la nascita of Albinoni is also on ISMLP
 A  A  A AA  A Le Mercredi 4 fA(c)vrier 2015 0h02, Andrea Damiani
 A  A  A AA  A [4][8]andreadelli...@gmail.com a A(c)crit :
 A  A  A AA  AA  A Dear Diego
 A  A  A AA  AA  A I can add:
 A  A  A AA  AA  A F. Gasparini: L'oracolo del fato (Garland
 facsimile)
 A  A  A AA  AA  A T. Albinoni: Il nascimento dell'Aurora
 (unfortunately I have
 A  A  A not the
 A  A  A AA  AA  A music, I played it many years ago, the ms. should
 be in
 A  A  A Wien)
 A  A  A AA  AA  A G.B. Pergolesi: La morte di San Giovanni (I
 haven't this any
 A  A  A more...)
 A  A  A AA  AA  A F.B. Conti: David (I can find this out but need
 some
 A  A  A time...)
 A  A  A AA  AA  A Andrea
 A  A  A AA  AA  A 2015-02-03 10:57 GMT+01:00 Diego Cantalupi
 A  A  A [1][1][5][9]tio...@gmail.com:
 A  A  A AA  AA  AA  A Dear friends,
 A  A  A AA  AA  AA  A For a project in the Conservatorio where I
 teach I'm
 A  A  A collecting
 A  A  A AA  A some
 A  A  A AA  AA  AA  A arias with obbligato lute and theorbo.
 A  A  A AA  AA  AA  A At the moment I have all the Bach music, all
 the
 A  A  A HACURndel, some
 A  A  A AA  AA  AA  A Vivaldi, a cantata by Ferrandini and (the
 funny)
 A  A  A Zandonai.
 A  A  A AA  AA  AA  A Do you have any other suggestions?
 A  A  A AA  AA  AA  A What I'm looking for is not lute as an
 obbligato continuo
 A  A  A AA  AA  AA  A instrument, but as a solo instrument (like
 Bach's
 A  A  A Johannespassion).
 A  A  A AA  AA  AA  A Greetings,
 A  A  A AA  AA  AA  A Diego
 A  A  A AA  AA  AA  A Inviato da iPad
 A  A  A AA  AA  AA  A To get on or off this list see list
 information at
 A  A  A AA  AA  A
 A  A  A A
 [2][2][6][10]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 A  A  A AA  AA  A --
 A  A  A AA  A References
 A  A  A AA  AA  A 1. mailto:[3][7][11]tio...@gmail.com
 A  A  A AA  AA  A 2.
 A  A
 A [4][8][12]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 A  A  A AA  A --
 A  A  A References
 A  A  A AA  A 1. mailto:[9][13]tio...@gmail.com
 A  A  A AA  A 2.
 [10][14]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 A  A  A AA  A 3. mailto:[11][15]tio...@gmail.com
 A  A  A AA  A 4.
 [12][16]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 A  A --
 References
 A  A 1. mailto:[17]davidvanooi...@gmail.com
 A  A 2. [18]http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
 A  A 3. mailto:[19]jeanmichel.catheri...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 A  A 4. mailto:[20]andreadelli...@gmail.com
 A  A 5. mailto:[21]tio...@gmail.com
 A  A 6. [22]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 A  A 7. mailto:[23]tio...@gmail.com
 A  A 8. [24]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 A  A 9. mailto:[25]tio...@gmail.com
 A  10. [26]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 A  11. mailto:[27]tio...@gmail.com
 A  12. [28]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Obbligato lute and theorbo

2015-02-04 Thread David van Ooijen
   The Knight that says 'nit'. Courtesy of iPhone and no-glasses.A

   David
   On Wednesday, February 4, 2015, David van Ooijen
   [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com wrote:

 A  A I'm nit at home so cannit check. Graupner'sA Johannes is onA in
 A  A YouTube. It was a bit of a fad in Holland some years ago, at
 the
 A  A anniversary of Graupners birth or death. It's a long piece.
 Haven't
 A  A played it myself, but aA friend did and tild me it was
 nicedavid
 A  A On Wednesday, February 4, 2015, Stephan Olbertz
 A  A [1][2]stephan.olbe...@web.de wrote:
 A  A  A Hi David,
 A  A  A the Graupner reference is interesting, but I neither can
 find a
 A  A  A lute-instrumentation in the database of his works, nor a
 Joahnnes
 A  A  A Passion.
 A  A  A Could you clarify this?
 A  A  A [2][3]http://www.graupner-digital.org/gwv.php
 A  A  A Thanks and regards
 A  A  A Stephan
 A  A  A -UrsprA 1/4ngliche Nachricht-
 A  A  A Von: [3][4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 A  A  A [mailto:[4][5]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag
 A  A  A von David van Ooijen
 A  A  A Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Februar 2015 09:09
 A  A  A Cc: List LUTELIST
 A  A  A Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Obbligato lute and theorbo
 A  A  A AA  A Wagner aria in Meistersinger.
 A  A  A AA  A Britten aria in The Triumph Orianna (written for lute
 but final
 A  A  A score
 A  A  A AA  A has guitar)
 A  A  A AA  A There's a lot of Telemann that has lute(like)
 instruments
 A  A  A obligato.
 A  A  A AA  A Worth to check his cantatas.
 A  A  A AA  A Graupner too (there's obligato lute in his Johannes
 Passion)
 A  A  A AA  A Bach (Mattheus, Johannes and the Trauerode)
 A  A  A AA  A Handel (/Mozart) Caecilia Ode
 A  A  A AA  A Several contemporary pieces have arias with obligato
 lute.
 A  A  A Perhaps this
 A  A  A AA  A falls A outside your project?
 A  A  A AA  A David
 A  A  A AA  A ***
 A  A  A AA  A David van Ooijen
 A  A  A AA  A [1][5][6]davidvanooi...@gmail.com
 A  A  A AA  A [2][6][7]www.davidvanooijen.nl
 A  A  A AA  A ***
 A  A  A AA  A On 4 February 2015 at 08:55, jean-michel Catherinot
 A  A  A AA  A [3][7][8]jeanmichel.catheri...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 wrote:
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  A la nascita of Albinoni is also on ISMLP
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  A Le Mercredi 4 fA(c)vrier 2015 0h02, Andrea
 Damiani
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  A [4][8][9]andreadelli...@gmail.com a
 A(c)crit :
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  A Dear Diego
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  A I can add:
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  A F. Gasparini: L'oracolo del fato
 (Garland
 A  A  A facsimile)
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  A T. Albinoni: Il nascimento dell'Aurora
 A  A  A (unfortunately I have
 A  A  A AA  AA  A not the
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  A music, I played it many years ago, the
 ms. should
 A  A  A be in
 A  A  A AA  AA  A Wien)
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  A G.B. Pergolesi: La morte di San
 Giovanni (I
 A  A  A haven't this any
 A  A  A AA  AA  A more...)
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  A F.B. Conti: David (I can find this out
 but need
 A  A  A some
 A  A  A AA  AA  A time...)
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  A Andrea
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  A 2015-02-03 10:57 GMT+01:00 Diego
 Cantalupi
 A  A  A AA  AA  A [1][1][5][9][10]tio...@gmail.com:
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  AAA  A Dear friends,
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  AAA  A For a project in the
 Conservatorio where I
 A  A  A teach I'm
 A  A  A AA  AA  A collecting
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  A some
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  AAA  A arias with obbligato lute and
 theorbo.
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  AAA  A At the moment I have all the Bach
 music, all
 A  A  A the
 A  A  A AA  AA  A HACURndel, some
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  AAA  A Vivaldi, a cantata by Ferrandini
 and (the
 A  A  A funny)
 A  A  A AA  AA  A Zandonai.
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  AAA  A Do you have any other
 suggestions?
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  AAA  A What I'm looking for is not lute
 as an
 A  A  A obbligato continuo
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  AAA  A instrument, but as a solo
 instrument (like
 A  A  A Bach's
 A  A  A AA  AA  A Johannespassion).
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  AAA  A Greetings,
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  AAA  A Diego
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  AAA  A Inviato da iPad
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  AAA  A To get on or off this list see
 list
 A  A  A information at
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA  A
 A  A  A AA  AA  A A
 A  A
 A [2][2][6][10][11]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index
 .html
 A  A  A AA  AA  A AAA  AAA

[LUTE] Re: Obbligato lute and theorbo

2015-02-03 Thread howard posner

On Feb 3, 2015, at 1:57 AM, Diego Cantalupi tio...@gmail.com wrote:

 What I'm looking for is not lute as an obbligato continuo instrument, but as 
 a solo instrument (like Bach's Johannespassion).

There’s Il Sacrifizio di Abramo by Camilla de Rossi (1708), which has 
concerto-like movements for lute.

Barbara Garvey Jackson’s book Say Can You Deny Me, A Guide to Surviving Music 
by Women from the 16th through the 18th Centuries (a title which may exaggerate 
the dangers of music by women) lists several other Rossi works with “lute”, but 
I don’t know anything about them.



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[LUTE] Re: Obbligato lute and theorbo

2015-02-03 Thread jean-michel Catherinot
   At least Hasse opera 3 fanciulli: aria de' nostri accenti, Hasse
   Cleofide, aria Cerva al bosco, free access on IMSLP, cantate of Conti
   (liuto francese)...I have some others
   but can't find them right now !
   Le Mardi 3 fA(c)vrier 2015 11h00, Diego Cantalupi tio...@gmail.com a
   A(c)crit :
   Dear friends,
   For a project in the Conservatorio where I teach I'm collecting some
   arias with obbligato lute and theorbo.
   At the moment I have all the Bach music, all the HACURndel, some
   Vivaldi, a cantata by Ferrandini and (the funny) Zandonai.
   Do you have any other suggestions?
   What I'm looking for is not lute as an obbligato continuo instrument,
   but as a solo instrument (like Bach's Johannespassion).
   Greetings,
   Diego
   Inviato da iPad
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[LUTE] Re: Obbligato lute and theorbo

2015-02-03 Thread Andrea Damiani
   Dear Diego
   I can add:
   F. Gasparini: L'oracolo del fato (Garland facsimile)
   T. Albinoni: Il nascimento dell'Aurora (unfortunately I have not the
   music, I played it many years ago, the ms. should be in Wien)
   G.B. Pergolesi: La morte di San Giovanni (I haven't this any more...)
   F.B. Conti: David (I can find this out but need some time...)
   Andrea

   2015-02-03 10:57 GMT+01:00 Diego Cantalupi [1]tio...@gmail.com:

 Dear friends,
 For a project in the Conservatorio where I teach I'm collecting some
 arias with obbligato lute and theorbo.
 At the moment I have all the Bach music, all the HACURndel, some
 Vivaldi, a cantata by Ferrandini and (the funny) Zandonai.
 Do you have any other suggestions?
 What I'm looking for is not lute as an obbligato continuo
 instrument, but as a solo instrument (like Bach's Johannespassion).
 Greetings,
 Diego
 Inviato da iPad
 To get on or off this list see list information at
 [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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