[LUTE] Re: Tune the tuna - Part II
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Omer katzir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A great tuner, but I really need tips to use it, .. > But I'm not really sure how to tune, the manual fails to explain it (at > least for me) in nice and clear way. On the Finale list we say RTFM, which stands for Read the Finale Manual, or the Friendly Manual, or ... Power on. Press Alt-Clear (to put it in default setting). Press Chromatic Button (Puts it in Chromatic Mode). Press Auto often enough (none, once or twice) to put it in Auto Mode. Display should read: D4 (or whatever other note) Chromatic Auto Pluck string. The display will display the closest pitch it's hearing. Tune up or down till you reach your desired pitch. If the red lights turn with the clock, you're too high. If the red lights turn against the clock, you're too low. If you want 415Hz in stead of the default 440Hz: Press Alt-A440 Change. Press Note+ to move up by Hz. Press Note- to move down by Hz. Press Cents+ to move up by cents. Press Cents- to move down by cents. Finish with Alt. Display will now show: D4 A415,0 Chromatic Auto Should be straightforward. For other settings: RTFM. ;-) David -- *** David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Tune the tuna - Part II
Dear David, I think you should read that part again... let me write it again: "A great tuner, but I really need tips to use it, I'm still used to my old needle tuner, I always used them and now all the flashing lights confusing me. I read the instruction manual, it is great becuase now I know how to change temperaments, cents, save, delete, backlight etc. But I'm not really sure how to tune, the manual fails to explain it (at least for me) in nice and clear way. For now i don't care about flats and sharps, I just want it to tune, when I'll get used to it, I'll think some more. But how, in the name of the great Henry the VIII, I know if my string is tuned? So any one with this nice tuner (and it really nice) please help me." On Oct 28, 2008, at 10:24 AM, David van Ooijen wrote: On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Omer katzir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A great tuner, but I really need tips to use it, .. But I'm not really sure how to tune, the manual fails to explain it (at least for me) in nice and clear way. On the Finale list we say RTFM, which stands for Read the Finale Manual, or the Friendly Manual, or ... Power on. Press Alt-Clear (to put it in default setting). Press Chromatic Button (Puts it in Chromatic Mode). Press Auto often enough (none, once or twice) to put it in Auto Mode. Display should read: D4 (or whatever other note) Chromatic Auto Pluck string. The display will display the closest pitch it's hearing. Tune up or down till you reach your desired pitch. If the red lights turn with the clock, you're too high. If the red lights turn against the clock, you're too low. If you want 415Hz in stead of the default 440Hz: Press Alt-A440 Change. Press Note+ to move up by Hz. Press Note- to move down by Hz. Press Cents+ to move up by cents. Press Cents- to move down by cents. Finish with Alt. Display will now show: D4 A415,0 Chromatic Auto Should be straightforward. For other settings: RTFM. ;-) David -- *** David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[LUTE] Re: Tune the tuna - Part II
Tuning with sound trains your ear, and therefore trains your musical abilities. Get a tuner that plays sounds, and tune unisons (or other intervals, if you wish). When your ear is trained, you will then know for sure if the lute is in tune; no box required :) The visual tuner is useful for tuning in noisy environments. If you wish to try try the tastini, start with F sharp and C sharp below the first fret on the 4th and 5th course, assuming that the lute is in "G" The rest depends on the temperament, but you can easily set the first fret major (bigger, farther from the nut), second fret minor, third fret major, fourth minor You can see a photo here: http://voicesofmusic.org/chitmt.html Don't damage your instrument with a ton of glue! use a pin to put on a drop. You can also try David v.O. system with wires. A completely harmless way to try it is to tune the fourth and fith courses each down one half step, then move the frets up and down, No tastini required, unless you wish to add a sharp somewhere. Then you can see if you like it. This is the way I tune my mandolin. Note that the frets have been bent to get a better tuning, that is due to the differences in the strings, action, etc. You can add perhaps a G sharp on the third fret of the fourth course, then you will have the ability to play F minor and E major, if the 6th fret is minor, you can also play B major "high" and C minor low. It may seem like a drag to tune by ear, but ultimately musical skills are more important than technical ones. Think down the road. dt At 12:15 AM 10/28/2008, you wrote: >So, few days ego (i think it was Sunday, not what day it is today...) >I received the Super Duper Sonic Tuner as some of you recommended. > >A great tuner, but I really need tips to use it, I'm still used to my >old needle tuner, I always used them and now all the flashing lights >confusing me. I read the instruction manual, it is great becuase now I >know how to change temperaments, cents, save, delete, backlight etc. >But I'm not really sure how to tune, the manual fails to explain it >(at least for me) in nice and clear way. > >For now i don't care about flats and sharps, I just want it to tune, >when I'll get used to it, I'll think some more. But how, in the name >of the great Henry the VIII, I know if my string is tuned? So any one >with this nice tuner (and it really nice) please help me. > >The second part of my tuning trilogy goes to the temperament. I have >decided 1/6 Comma for my first test. according to LSA i need Tastino >which i guess supposed to be an extra fret (had little time to read) >and i don't have one for now, I only have the frets already on my >lute, i can try other temperament that not requires it, like the >Mersenne's Spinet #1, Kepler #2 but from what i see, they are... >different from what i want to try. so again, suggestions will be >gladly excepted. >Other problem i have, are the 10th-12th frets, they are on the lute >body, how should i handle that problem? > >My lute is a 7c, 61cm and it is now tuned to Equal Temperament, I have >9 frets on the neck and three more on the body. > >Thank you again and again > >Omer Katzir > > > >To get on or off this list see list information at >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Tune the tuna - Part II
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 9:34 AM, David Tayler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tuning with sound trains your ear, and therefore trains your musical > abilities. > Get a tuner that plays sounds, and tune unisons (or other intervals, > if you wish). Couldn't agree more. > Don't damage your instrument with a ton of glue! use a pin to put on a drop. > You can also try David v.O. system with wires. I'm into bits of fret gut, held in place with tape, these days. The tape painters use, and lute makers btw, that doesn't leave sticky bits on your fingerboard. Though on one or two instruments I still have the wires, they look cool. ;-) David -- *** David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Tune the tuna - Part II
Dear Omer The Turbo tuner works very well for me, when the lute is already quite well tuned. I have preset the open strings, so I go into open tuning, and I set it to the auto mod. I tend not to look directly at the strobe, but slightly to the side. If it turns to the left, it is too low, to the right, too high. Apparently, if you tune from scratch, it is best to use the open- strings but in manual mode, and select manually the value of each string, from within your preset strings. I am told this works well, but I don't seem to be able to do this. Therefore, I DO tend to use my Korg orchestra for this situation. The Korg orchestra outputs tuning notes (if you wish this, see David Tayler). However, many consider that it is not so easy to tune to the notes output by this tuner, as it is to the ones output by the very expensive Violab. I think each tuner type has its advantages, if you want to tune by ear, go for a Violab. I feel I do need at least two tuners, perhaps ideally, I should have three. However, I do think I notice a difference in the overall result of tuning with the Turbo tuner, and tuning with the Korg. The difference should be completely inaudible for say one octave and its bass, but I think the accumulative effect, over all strings, could become audible. I have no absolute proof of this, however. Regards Anthony Le 28 oct. 08 à 09:33, Omer katzir a écrit : Dear David, I think you should read that part again... let me write it again: "A great tuner, but I really need tips to use it, I'm still used to my old needle tuner, I always used them and now all the flashing lights confusing me. I read the instruction manual, it is great becuase now I know how to change temperaments, cents, save, delete, backlight etc. But I'm not really sure how to tune, the manual fails to explain it (at least for me) in nice and clear way. For now i don't care about flats and sharps, I just want it to tune, when I'll get used to it, I'll think some more. But how, in the name of the great Henry the VIII, I know if my string is tuned? So any one with this nice tuner (and it really nice) please help me." On Oct 28, 2008, at 10:24 AM, David van Ooijen wrote: On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Omer katzir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A great tuner, but I really need tips to use it, .. But I'm not really sure how to tune, the manual fails to explain it (at least for me) in nice and clear way. On the Finale list we say RTFM, which stands for Read the Finale Manual, or the Friendly Manual, or ... Power on. Press Alt-Clear (to put it in default setting). Press Chromatic Button (Puts it in Chromatic Mode). Press Auto often enough (none, once or twice) to put it in Auto Mode. Display should read: D4 (or whatever other note) Chromatic Auto Pluck string. The display will display the closest pitch it's hearing. Tune up or down till you reach your desired pitch. If the red lights turn with the clock, you're too high. If the red lights turn against the clock, you're too low. If you want 415Hz in stead of the default 440Hz: Press Alt-A440 Change. Press Note+ to move up by Hz. Press Note- to move down by Hz. Press Cents+ to move up by cents. Press Cents- to move down by cents. Finish with Alt. Display will now show: D4 A415,0 Chromatic Auto Should be straightforward. For other settings: RTFM. ;-) David -- *** David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[LUTE] Re: Tune the tuna - Part II
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Omer katzir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear David, > I think you should read that part again... let me write it again: .. > But I'm not really sure how to tune, the manual fails to explain it (at > least for me) in nice and clear way. Sorry English is not my first language, Omer, but at least I made the effort. At what step does it go wrong for you in my instructions? > > Power on. > Press Alt-Clear (to put it in default setting). > Press Chromatic Button (Puts it in Chromatic Mode). > Press Auto often enough (none, once or twice) to put it in Auto Mode. > > Display should read: > > D4 (or whatever other note) > Chromatic Auto > > Pluck string. > The display will display the closest pitch it's hearing. > Tune up or down till you reach your desired pitch. > If the red lights turn with the clock, you're too high. > If the red lights turn against the clock, you're too low. > > If you want 415Hz in stead of the default 440Hz: > > Press Alt-A440 Change. > Press Note+ to move up by Hz. > Press Note- to move down by Hz. > Press Cents+ to move up by cents. > Press Cents- to move down by cents. > Finish with Alt. > > Display will now show: > > D4 A415,0 > Chromatic Auto David -- *** David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Tune the tuna - Part II
David vO wrote... "I'm into bits of fret gut, held in place with tape, these days. The tape painters use, and lute makers btw, that doesn't leave sticky bits on your fingerboard. Though on one or two instruments I still have the wires, they look cool. ;-)" I assume this is what I know as 'masking-tape'. Can you elaborate how you use it on a lute? Are the ends of a temporary gut-fret held by this type of sticky-tape across the back of the neck? Or on the face of the fingerboard with several tiny strips placed across the fret? It sounds like a good idea to obtain certain tunings. The only drawback is the light creamy colour. As mentioned, it peels off easily without leaving any residue. It can be difficult to remove after a few months, but I don't envisage anyone making a temporary tuning last that long! Ron (UK) -- *** David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Tune the tuna - Part II
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Ron Fletcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > David vO wrote... > "I'm into bits of fret gut, held in place with tape, these days. The .. > I assume this is what I know as 'masking-tape'. Can you elaborate how you > use it on a lute? See the picture on on this page: http://home.planet.nl/~ooije006/david/writings/meantone_f.html (scroll down) > It can be difficult to remove after a few months, but I don't > envisage anyone making a temporary tuning last that long! On the contrary, some of my lutes are permanently in some form of MT, so the bits of fret-with-masking-tape only get removed for jobs requiring ET. So far no sticky fingerboards. A friend used the 'invisible' scotch tape. Looked better, perhaps, but it was a serious pain to remove. David > > Ron (UK) > > -- > *** > David van Ooijen > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.davidvanooijen.nl > *** > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > -- *** David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl ***
[LUTE] Re: Tune the tuna - Part II
I have decided to try "Just" tuning first, still few questions remains. lets go back to the tuner: I'm in a very noisy environment sometimes (there's a kindergarden few steps from here...), how i can see visually if I'm tuned? (ST-122 just to remind) that's it, then i'm fixed (already have set it up manually for my lute) Now back to the temperament, I'm going to try more then one. I might even try dowland's temperament. First, With what to make the Tastino? I do not want it to be permanent. tape is good, but how large should i make it? long like a fret? or smaller like... mother of pearl in my SG's neck? (like the picture one of the David's brought here), how thick, how long, etc... please remember, this is my first attempt with other temperaments. Second, What about the frets on the lute body? there are three. I guess there is some trick with that... Before I touch the lute, i want to know much more on the technicality, I don't want to cause damage. Thanks again Omer b.h.w. I Finally worked out the LSA file, using Excel 2008 for Mac On Oct 28, 2008, at 11:50 AM, David van Ooijen wrote: On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Ron Fletcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: David vO wrote... "I'm into bits of fret gut, held in place with tape, these days. The .. I assume this is what I know as 'masking-tape'. Can you elaborate how you use it on a lute? See the picture on on this page: http://home.planet.nl/~ooije006/david/writings/meantone_f.html (scroll down) It can be difficult to remove after a few months, but I don't envisage anyone making a temporary tuning last that long! On the contrary, some of my lutes are permanently in some form of MT, so the bits of fret-with-masking-tape only get removed for jobs requiring ET. So far no sticky fingerboards. A friend used the 'invisible' scotch tape. Looked better, perhaps, but it was a serious pain to remove. David Ron (UK) -- *** David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl ***
[LUTE] Re: Tune the tuna - Part II
Omer There is a you tube film of how to use this, explaining the strobe pattern. I hope this is useful. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JB95DzVhU Anthony Le 28 oct. 08 à 13:21, Omer katzir a écrit : I have decided to try "Just" tuning first, still few questions remains. lets go back to the tuner: I'm in a very noisy environment sometimes (there's a kindergarden few steps from here...), how i can see visually if I'm tuned? (ST-122 just to remind) that's it, then i'm fixed (already have set it up manually for my lute) Now back to the temperament, I'm going to try more then one. I might even try dowland's temperament. First, With what to make the Tastino? I do not want it to be permanent. tape is good, but how large should i make it? long like a fret? or smaller like... mother of pearl in my SG's neck? (like the picture one of the David's brought here), how thick, how long, etc... please remember, this is my first attempt with other temperaments. Second, What about the frets on the lute body? there are three. I guess there is some trick with that... Before I touch the lute, i want to know much more on the technicality, I don't want to cause damage. Thanks again Omer b.h.w. I Finally worked out the LSA file, using Excel 2008 for Mac On Oct 28, 2008, at 11:50 AM, David van Ooijen wrote: On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Ron Fletcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: David vO wrote... "I'm into bits of fret gut, held in place with tape, these days. The .. I assume this is what I know as 'masking-tape'. Can you elaborate how you use it on a lute? See the picture on on this page: http://home.planet.nl/~ooije006/david/writings/meantone_f.html (scroll down) It can be difficult to remove after a few months, but I don't envisage anyone making a temporary tuning last that long! On the contrary, some of my lutes are permanently in some form of MT, so the bits of fret-with-masking-tape only get removed for jobs requiring ET. So far no sticky fingerboards. A friend used the 'invisible' scotch tape. Looked better, perhaps, but it was a serious pain to remove. David Ron (UK) -- *** David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl ***
[LUTE] Re: Tune the tuna - Part II
I see the new Turbo Tuner has corrected a number of problems that I found with the original: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD_U7YPFqKg&feature=related Compare with the previous Youtube film. The setting-up is far simpler. Anthony Le 28 oct. 08 à 13:45, Anthony Hind a écrit : > Omer -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Tune the tuna - Part II
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Omer katzir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have decided to try "Just" tuning first I have never tried. Let us know if it works for you. > I'm in a very noisy environment sometimes The ST-122 can be confuesd by ambient noise like computer fans. I use a clip on mic if I'm in an orchestra, or the singer copies the notes I try to tune (you ever noticed that: play a note, to tune that is, and singers invariably start to sing that note, oblvious of any tuning efforts). > First, With what to make the Tastino? I do not want it to be permanent. tape > is good, but how large should i make it? long like a fret? I use short ones, just long enough to fit under the strings where I need them. I'm too limited for double frets, they confuse me. Stephen Stubbs had little grooves in his theorbo to slide wooden tastini in. Another friend uses little ebony wedges, a little wider than a pair of strings, he slides under the real frets. Experiemnt with somethng that works for you, doesn't buzz, is adjustable, etc. Masking tape and fret gut is all right for starters. > Second, What about the frets on the lute body? there are three. I guess > there is some trick with that... No trick, just out of tune playing. But you won't need these often in the repertoire you'll be using non ET for, and if so perhaps just on the first course in single notes. Push and bend. David -- *** David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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>Don't forget that David is using historical strings, so that the >highest tension (17 kg) is on the treble end, and the lowest (.007Kg) is on the bass, hence his nickname "David 007" dt >See the picture on on this page: > >http://home.planet.nl/~ooije006/david/writings/meantone_f.html > >(scroll down) > > > It can be difficult to remove after a few months, but I don't > > envisage anyone making a temporary tuning last that long! > >On the contrary, some of my lutes are permanently in some form of MT, >so the bits of fret-with-masking-tape only get removed for jobs >requiring ET. So far no sticky fingerboards. A friend used the >'invisible' scotch tape. Looked better, perhaps, but it was a serious >pain to remove. > > >David > > > > > > Ron (UK) > > > > -- > > *** > > David van Ooijen > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > www.davidvanooijen.nl > > *** > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > > > > > > > > >-- >*** >David van Ooijen >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >www.davidvanooijen.nl >***
[LUTE] Re: Tune the tuna - Part II
Are we talking Gaffer tape here, like to hold down a mic cable in a concert hall? Brilliant. dt At 06:41 AM 10/28/2008, you wrote: >On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Omer katzir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have decided to try "Just" tuning first > >I have never tried. Let us know if it works for you. > > > I'm in a very noisy environment sometimes > >The ST-122 can be confuesd by ambient noise like computer fans. I use >a clip on mic if I'm in an orchestra, or the singer copies the notes I >try to tune (you ever noticed that: play a note, to tune that is, and >singers invariably start to sing that note, oblvious of any tuning >efforts). > > > First, With what to make the Tastino? I do not want it to be > permanent. tape > > is good, but how large should i make it? long like a fret? > >I use short ones, just long enough to fit under the strings where I >need them. I'm too limited for double frets, they confuse me. Stephen >Stubbs had little grooves in his theorbo to slide wooden tastini in. >Another friend uses little ebony wedges, a little wider than a pair of >strings, he slides under the real frets. Experiemnt with somethng that >works for you, doesn't buzz, is adjustable, etc. Masking tape and fret >gut is all right for starters. > > > Second, What about the frets on the lute body? there are three. I guess > > there is some trick with that... > >No trick, just out of tune playing. But you won't need these often in >the repertoire you'll be using non ET for, and if so perhaps just on >the first course in single notes. Push and bend. > >David > >-- >*** >David van Ooijen >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >www.davidvanooijen.nl >*** > > > >To get on or off this list see list information at >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Tune the tuna - Part II
Looking at the picture it looks like the "no residue" thin masking tape used for painting on wood surfaces. I'll try it today! Off to the Home Depot (where I also buy the redwood for the theorbo necks) dt At 10:47 AM 10/28/2008, you wrote: >Are we talking Gaffer tape here, like to hold down a mic cable in a >concert hall? Brilliant. >dt > > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Tune the tuna - Part II
Double sided sticky tape is also great for holding down wooden tastini (even permanent tastini or on the body frets). I normally use little bits of fret gut and normal sticky tape though - I've often left them on for a month or so and never had any problems with sticky marks. The guage of gut for the tastino should usually be the same (or possibly .05mm larger) as used for the fret it's behind. Cutting such small pieces of gut sometimes flattens the ends which can cause buzzing and roughness under your fingers when playing - I use a cable cutting tool (available in all good bike shops!). This cuts the fret simultaneously from all sides, so it doesn't get flattened. If your lute is permanently in meantone (or any other temperament) you can get a lute maker to reset the body frets. This is quick and easily done (though it may not be wise!). Sam 2008/10/28 Omer katzir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > So, few days ego (i think it was Sunday, not what day it is today...) I > received the Super Duper Sonic Tuner as some of you recommended. > > A great tuner, but I really need tips to use it, I'm still used to my old > needle tuner, I always used them and now all the flashing lights confusing > me. I read the instruction manual, it is great becuase now I know how to > change temperaments, cents, save, delete, backlight etc. > But I'm not really sure how to tune, the manual fails to explain it (at > least for me) in nice and clear way. > > For now i don't care about flats and sharps, I just want it to tune, when > I'll get used to it, I'll think some more. But how, in the name of the great > Henry the VIII, I know if my string is tuned? So any one with this nice > tuner (and it really nice) please help me. > > The second part of my tuning trilogy goes to the temperament. I have decided > 1/6 Comma for my first test. according to LSA i need Tastino which i guess > supposed to be an extra fret (had little time to read) and i don't have one > for now, I only have the frets already on my lute, i can try other > temperament that not requires it, like the Mersenne's Spinet #1, Kepler #2 > but from what i see, they are... different from what i want to try. so > again, suggestions will be gladly excepted. > Other problem i have, are the 10th-12th frets, they are on the lute body, > how should i handle that problem? > > My lute is a 7c, 61cm and it is now tuned to Equal Temperament, I have 9 > frets on the neck and three more on the body. > > Thank you again and again > > Omer Katzir > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > -- Sam Chapman Oetlingerstrasse 65 4057 Basel (0041) 79 530 39 91
[LUTE] Re: Tune the tuna - Part II
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 6:46 PM, David Tayler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Don't forget that David is using historical strings, so that the >>highest tension (17 kg) is on the treble end, and the lowest > > (.007Kg) is on the bass, hence his nickname "David 007" OK, you asked for it: http://home.planet.nl/~ooije006/david/sheetmusic_f.html (scroll down) The last entry is to make sure you all keep your tensions up, i.e. may the force be with you. David - shaken, not stirred *** David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Tune the tuna - Part II
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:56 AM, David Tayler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tried 3 kinds of masking tape, no luck, tried 3m see through tape, > works good--sucess! Though sticky... > Will try it out this week on Uccellini et al. > What brand masking tape did you use? Tesa (just what the local shop sells me). I've noticed different fingerboard react differently. I have lutes with snakewood, very fine grained ebony and rougher grained ebony fingerboard. The tape sticks better on the finer grained woods. See through tape is difficult to remove from very smooth surfaces. > Incidentally, I use bamboo skewers for the tastini. Yes, works well. I use them for body frets. Enjoy your Uccelini. I'm having a Friday of Schuetz in ET (barbarians) and the rest of the weekend Monteverdi's Maria Vespers in 1/4 MT. Looking forward. David > knife, I split them in half, then shave a bit off the back till they > are between .85-1.05mm > They work very well--maybe because the thickness stays constant after use. > dt > > > At 02:07 AM 10/29/2008, you wrote: >>On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 6:46 PM, David Tayler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> >>Don't forget that David is using historical strings, so that the >> >>highest tension (17 kg) is on the treble end, and the lowest >> > >> > (.007Kg) is on the bass, hence his nickname "David 007" >> >>OK, you asked for it: >> >>http://home.planet.nl/~ooije006/david/sheetmusic_f.html >> >>(scroll down) >> >>The last entry is to make sure you all keep your tensions up, i.e. may >>the force be with you. >> >>David - shaken, not stirred >> >> >>*** >>David van Ooijen >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>www.davidvanooijen.nl >>*** >> >> >> >>To get on or off this list see list information at >>http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > -- *** David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl ***
[LUTE] Re: Tune the tuna - Part II
Tried 3 kinds of masking tape, no luck, tried 3m see through tape, works good--sucess! Though sticky... Will try it out this week on Uccellini et al. What brand masking tape did you use? Incidentally, I use bamboo skewers for the tastini. Using a sharp knife, I split them in half, then shave a bit off the back till they are between .85-1.05mm They work very well--maybe because the thickness stays constant after use. dt At 02:07 AM 10/29/2008, you wrote: >On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 6:46 PM, David Tayler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>Don't forget that David is using historical strings, so that the > >>highest tension (17 kg) is on the treble end, and the lowest > > > > (.007Kg) is on the bass, hence his nickname "David 007" > >OK, you asked for it: > >http://home.planet.nl/~ooije006/david/sheetmusic_f.html > >(scroll down) > >The last entry is to make sure you all keep your tensions up, i.e. may >the force be with you. > >David - shaken, not stirred > > >*** >David van Ooijen >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >www.davidvanooijen.nl >*** > > > >To get on or off this list see list information at >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
