[LUTE] Re: decent field recorder for lute
So this is settled now. I talked to an old friend who bought dozens of Zoom recorders for a project and regretted it: it seems the production tolerance is very wide. He said that many of the recorders did not record at the same level and quality though all settings were the same. I now ordered the Tascam DR07x which he strongly recommeded to me. I'll upload some recordings when it has arrived. Thanks for all your advice! On 20.05.19 15:14, Tristan von Neumann wrote: Thank you! The new H4n Pro seems to have the preamps of the H6 - so the noise might be lower. Damn, this is really a hard decision... If semi-pro home recording is easy with this thing, it's definitely a pro. Anyone have the Tascam DR-07x? Since it is Mac OS compatible, Linux is probably working too. On 20.05.19 15:05, Konstantin Shchenikov wrote: I own an old H4n and did a lot of recordings on that thing. Regarding your last question, Tristan: yes, one can use it as a USB sound processing device. When you connect it via USB, it let you choose a mode: storage (copy files only, not recharge a battery, I'm afraid) or as Input/Output interface for your computer. In second mode you can use it as sound card and record directly to computer. I use it different ways: as a live recorder, as a sound card, as a 'home studio' device and it works fine all the time. Fast connection, clear menu with simple navigation. Comparing preamps with zoom h6 and other similar I can say, old H4 sounds more 'bassy' what makes interesting effect on the lute (nice attack on unwound basses on archlute). And a tiny bit more noissy also, but it's not a problem if you set the gain accurately. And experimenting with some effects (dinamique eq, band compression) it can makes nice results. Very good and comfortable device for any kind of home/field work. All the best, Konstantin. ÿý, 20 Ã¼Ã°Ñ 2019 ó., 15:36 Tristan von Neumann <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>: Yes I read about that - but it can be used as an USB sound processing device then, or does it only recharge or read files? On 20.05.19 12:26, Ralf Mattes wrote: > > Am Sonntag, 19. Mai 2019 19:06 CEST, Tristan von Neumann <[2]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> schrieb: > >> It seems the Zoom can be powered by USB when recording at the computer? >> If not, I would tend to buy the Tascam with longer battery life. > I can't speak about the newer H4 devices, but USB bus power only worked when the device was pluged into > to computer before switching it on. > > Cheers, RalfD > > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > -- References 1. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 2. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: decent field recorder for lute
Thank you! The new H4n Pro seems to have the preamps of the H6 - so the noise might be lower. Damn, this is really a hard decision... If semi-pro home recording is easy with this thing, it's definitely a pro. Anyone have the Tascam DR-07x? Since it is Mac OS compatible, Linux is probably working too. On 20.05.19 15:05, Konstantin Shchenikov wrote: I own an old H4n and did a lot of recordings on that thing. Regarding your last question, Tristan: yes, one can use it as a USB sound processing device. When you connect it via USB, it let you choose a mode: storage (copy files only, not recharge a battery, I'm afraid) or as Input/Output interface for your computer. In second mode you can use it as sound card and record directly to computer. I use it different ways: as a live recorder, as a sound card, as a 'home studio' device and it works fine all the time. Fast connection, clear menu with simple navigation. Comparing preamps with zoom h6 and other similar I can say, old H4 sounds more 'bassy' what makes interesting effect on the lute (nice attack on unwound basses on archlute). And a tiny bit more noissy also, but it's not a problem if you set the gain accurately. And experimenting with some effects (dinamique eq, band compression) it can makes nice results. Very good and comfortable device for any kind of home/field work. All the best, Konstantin. ÿý, 20 Ã¼Ã°Ñ 2019 ó., 15:36 Tristan von Neumann <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>: Yes I read about that - but it can be used as an USB sound processing device then, or does it only recharge or read files? On 20.05.19 12:26, Ralf Mattes wrote: > > Am Sonntag, 19. Mai 2019 19:06 CEST, Tristan von Neumann <[2]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> schrieb: > >> It seems the Zoom can be powered by USB when recording at the computer? >> If not, I would tend to buy the Tascam with longer battery life. >I can't speak about the newer H4 devices, but USB bus power only worked when the device was pluged into > to computer before switching it on. > >Cheers, RalfD > > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > -- References 1. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 2. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: decent field recorder for lute
I own an old H4n and did a lot of recordings on that thing. Regarding your last question, Tristan: yes, one can use it as a USB sound processing device. When you connect it via USB, it let you choose a mode: storage (copy files only, not recharge a battery, I'm afraid) or as Input/Output interface for your computer. In second mode you can use it as sound card and record directly to computer. I use it different ways: as a live recorder, as a sound card, as a 'home studio' device and it works fine all the time. Fast connection, clear menu with simple navigation. Comparing preamps with zoom h6 and other similar I can say, old H4 sounds more 'bassy' what makes interesting effect on the lute (nice attack on unwound basses on archlute). And a tiny bit more noissy also, but it's not a problem if you set the gain accurately. And experimenting with some effects (dinamique eq, band compression) it can makes nice results. Very good and comfortable device for any kind of home/field work. All the best, Konstantin. ÿý, 20 üðà 2019 ó., 15:36 Tristan von Neumann <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>: Yes I read about that - but it can be used as an USB sound processing device then, or does it only recharge or read files? On 20.05.19 12:26, Ralf Mattes wrote: > > Am Sonntag, 19. Mai 2019 19:06 CEST, Tristan von Neumann <[2]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> schrieb: > >> It seems the Zoom can be powered by USB when recording at the computer? >> If not, I would tend to buy the Tascam with longer battery life. >I can't speak about the newer H4 devices, but USB bus power only worked when the device was pluged into > to computer before switching it on. > >Cheers, RalfD > > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > -- References 1. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 2. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: decent field recorder for lute
I get very good results with Olympus LS10, LS-20M (for audio and video) and LS-100 recorders. Cheers! Lex > Op 20 mei 2019, om 12:26 heeft Ralf Mattes het volgende > geschreven: > > > Am Sonntag, 19. Mai 2019 19:06 CEST, Tristan von Neumann > schrieb: > >> It seems the Zoom can be powered by USB when recording at the computer? >> If not, I would tend to buy the Tascam with longer battery life. > > I can't speak about the newer H4 devices, but USB bus power only worked when > the device was pluged into > to computer before switching it on. > > Cheers, RalfD > > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: decent field recorder for lute
Yes I read about that - but it can be used as an USB sound processing device then, or does it only recharge or read files? On 20.05.19 12:26, Ralf Mattes wrote: Am Sonntag, 19. Mai 2019 19:06 CEST, Tristan von Neumann schrieb: It seems the Zoom can be powered by USB when recording at the computer? If not, I would tend to buy the Tascam with longer battery life. I can't speak about the newer H4 devices, but USB bus power only worked when the device was pluged into to computer before switching it on. Cheers, RalfD To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: decent field recorder for lute
Am Sonntag, 19. Mai 2019 19:06 CEST, Tristan von Neumann schrieb: > It seems the Zoom can be powered by USB when recording at the computer? > If not, I would tend to buy the Tascam with longer battery life. I can't speak about the newer H4 devices, but USB bus power only worked when the device was pluged into to computer before switching it on. Cheers, RalfD To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: decent field recorder for lute
Well then - my decision will now be between the Tascam DR-07x and the Zoom H4n Pro. It seems the Zoom can be powered by USB when recording at the computer? If not, I would tend to buy the Tascam with longer battery life. Both seem to be decent USB sound devices. What I recognized was that the Tascam had a somewhat clearer, brighter sound in the recordings I compared, and the Zoom captures more bass. (I would have no additional budget for pro mics to plug into the XRL of the Zoom, so both would be used as they are). I seriously have no idea though which one would sound better with a lute since I only found guitar recordings for the Tascam. I now tend towards the Tascam because a) Price b) Battery life Probably both devices are quite good, but any final input is appreciated concerning sound quality with lute. Thx:) On 18.05.19 08:55, Martyn Hodgson wrote: I use a Zoom H2 for recording concerts including those with singers, strings etc as well as lute/theorbo/guitar. Very quick to set up with a good field of capture. I then download to my PC and use Audacity (others are available!) to adjust - this also avoids having to undertake numerous tests at the time to set optimum levels. MH On Friday, 17 May 2019, 19:42:56 BST, David van Ooijen wrote: You'd be surprised, some devices only have auto gain ... David *** David van Ooijen [1][1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** On Fri, 17 May 2019 at 20:35, Ralf Mattes <[3][2]r...@mh-freiburg.de> wrote: Am Freitag, 17. Mai 2019 20:26 CEST, David van Ooijen <[4][3]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> schrieb: >The best thing in both units is that you can override the auto gain >(don't even know if the bigger unit has auto gain, the bane of dynamic >playing). Yeah, you would never want to use auto-gain ;-) Cheers, RalfD -- References 1. mailto:[4]davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. [5]http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:[6]r...@mh-freiburg.de 4. mailto:[7]davidvanooi...@gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at [8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. mailto:r...@mh-freiburg.de 3. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 4. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 5. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 6. mailto:r...@mh-freiburg.de 7. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: decent field recorder for lute
Of course you can hear noise. This is New York City!)) RT On 5/18/2019 12:24 PM, Tristan von Neumann wrote: Seems ok, but I can hear the noise. The stand alone devices have better ratio there. On 18.05.19 18:04, Roman Turovsky wrote: built mic in iPhones is mono, as is the recording software included , but the audio card it is great, and there are inexpensive gadgets you can plug into it. Tascam stereo mic works very well, and its gain is so strong that you need to have the limiter switch on at all times. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcTeHQu-Ml0 this is the result on the Rode recording app. RT On 5/18/2019 10:48 AM, Ido Shdaimah wrote: How do they fare when it comes to the lute? My cheap (but pretty awesome for the price) Xiaomi phone has an abysmal microphone. On Sat, 18 May 2019, 16:53 Roman Turovsky, <[1]r.turov...@gmail.com> wrote: iPhones are great for arts. I have 3 of them plus an iPad, dedicated to various projects. RT On 5/18/2019 8:06 AM, Tristan von Neumann wrote: > Roman, just NO. :) > > > Why would I want an iPhone. Or even a phone with a computer in it. > > My old Motorola Razr V9 looks good and doesn't need to recharge every > day and only secret services may locate me, not dozens of companies. > > > > > On 18.05.19 06:30, [2]r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: >> The best field recording device is your own iPhone, with a $50 Tascam >> stereo mic, and Rode recording app. >> RT >> >> >> [3]http://turovsky.org >> Feci quod potui. Faciant meliora potentes. >> >>> On May 17, 2019, at 10:02 PM, Daniel Heiman <[4]heiman.dan...@juno.com> >>> wrote: >>> To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com 2. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com 3. http://turovsky.org/ 4. mailto:heiman.dan...@juno.com 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: decent field recorder for lute
Seems ok, but I can hear the noise. The stand alone devices have better ratio there. On 18.05.19 18:04, Roman Turovsky wrote: built mic in iPhones is mono, as is the recording software included , but the audio card it is great, and there are inexpensive gadgets you can plug into it. Tascam stereo mic works very well, and its gain is so strong that you need to have the limiter switch on at all times. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcTeHQu-Ml0 this is the result on the Rode recording app. RT On 5/18/2019 10:48 AM, Ido Shdaimah wrote: How do they fare when it comes to the lute? My cheap (but pretty awesome for the price) Xiaomi phone has an abysmal microphone. On Sat, 18 May 2019, 16:53 Roman Turovsky, <[1]r.turov...@gmail.com> wrote: iPhones are great for arts. I have 3 of them plus an iPad, dedicated to various projects. RT On 5/18/2019 8:06 AM, Tristan von Neumann wrote: > Roman, just NO. :) > > > Why would I want an iPhone. Or even a phone with a computer in it. > > My old Motorola Razr V9 looks good and doesn't need to recharge every > day and only secret services may locate me, not dozens of companies. > > > > > On 18.05.19 06:30, [2]r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: >> The best field recording device is your own iPhone, with a $50 Tascam >> stereo mic, and Rode recording app. >> RT >> >> >> [3]http://turovsky.org >> Feci quod potui. Faciant meliora potentes. >> >>> On May 17, 2019, at 10:02 PM, Daniel Heiman <[4]heiman.dan...@juno.com> >>> wrote: >>> To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com 2. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com 3. http://turovsky.org/ 4. mailto:heiman.dan...@juno.com 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: decent field recorder for lute
built mic in iPhones is mono, as is the recording software included , but the audio card it is great, and there are inexpensive gadgets you can plug into it. Tascam stereo mic works very well, and its gain is so strong that you need to have the limiter switch on at all times. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcTeHQu-Ml0 this is the result on the Rode recording app. RT On 5/18/2019 10:48 AM, Ido Shdaimah wrote: How do they fare when it comes to the lute? My cheap (but pretty awesome for the price) Xiaomi phone has an abysmal microphone. On Sat, 18 May 2019, 16:53 Roman Turovsky, <[1]r.turov...@gmail.com> wrote: iPhones are great for arts. I have 3 of them plus an iPad, dedicated to various projects. RT On 5/18/2019 8:06 AM, Tristan von Neumann wrote: > Roman, just NO. :) > > > Why would I want an iPhone. Or even a phone with a computer in it. > > My old Motorola Razr V9 looks good and doesn't need to recharge every > day and only secret services may locate me, not dozens of companies. > > > > > On 18.05.19 06:30, [2]r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: >> The best field recording device is your own iPhone, with a $50 Tascam >> stereo mic, and Rode recording app. >> RT >> >> >> [3]http://turovsky.org >> Feci quod potui. Faciant meliora potentes. >> >>> On May 17, 2019, at 10:02 PM, Daniel Heiman <[4]heiman.dan...@juno.com> >>> wrote: >>> To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com 2. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com 3. http://turovsky.org/ 4. mailto:heiman.dan...@juno.com 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: decent field recorder for lute
How do they fare when it comes to the lute? My cheap (but pretty awesome for the price) Xiaomi phone has an abysmal microphone. On Sat, 18 May 2019, 16:53 Roman Turovsky, <[1]r.turov...@gmail.com> wrote: iPhones are great for arts. I have 3 of them plus an iPad, dedicated to various projects. RT On 5/18/2019 8:06 AM, Tristan von Neumann wrote: > Roman, just NO. :) > > > Why would I want an iPhone. Or even a phone with a computer in it. > > My old Motorola Razr V9 looks good and doesn't need to recharge every > day and only secret services may locate me, not dozens of companies. > > > > > On 18.05.19 06:30, [2]r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: >> The best field recording device is your own iPhone, with a $50 Tascam >> stereo mic, and Rode recording app. >> RT >> >> >> [3]http://turovsky.org >> Feci quod potui. Faciant meliora potentes. >> >>> On May 17, 2019, at 10:02 PM, Daniel Heiman <[4]heiman.dan...@juno.com> >>> wrote: >>> To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com 2. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com 3. http://turovsky.org/ 4. mailto:heiman.dan...@juno.com 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: decent field recorder for lute
iPhones are great for arts. I have 3 of them plus an iPad, dedicated to various projects. RT On 5/18/2019 8:06 AM, Tristan von Neumann wrote: Roman, just NO. :) Why would I want an iPhone. Or even a phone with a computer in it. My old Motorola Razr V9 looks good and doesn't need to recharge every day and only secret services may locate me, not dozens of companies. On 18.05.19 06:30, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: The best field recording device is your own iPhone, with a $50 Tascam stereo mic, and Rode recording app. RT http://turovsky.org Feci quod potui. Faciant meliora potentes. On May 17, 2019, at 10:02 PM, Daniel Heiman wrote: To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: decent field recorder for lute
I have good results with the https://instamic.io/ Use several Instamic pro's for professional interview recordings. Several hours of recording and battery. Most of the time I just turn them on and do not even bother looking at the monitor on the iPhone. They just work :-) Also did som lute recordings. Sound good too. You can adjust type of recording, quality, gain, etc. It is also possible to stream over bluetooth, but then you loose sound quality, so I do not do that. For the interviews I also have video recording(s). Mix these with the audio files in Final Cut Pro, taking audio from one of the Instamic Pro's. Ad On 18-05-19 08:55, Martyn Hodgson wrote: I use a Zoom H2 for recording concerts including those with singers, strings etc as well as lute/theorbo/guitar. Very quick to set up with a good field of capture. I then download to my PC and use Audacity (others are available!) to adjust - this also avoids having to undertake numerous tests at the time to set optimum levels. MH On Friday, 17 May 2019, 19:42:56 BST, David van Ooijen wrote: You'd be surprised, some devices only have auto gain ... David *** David van Ooijen [1][1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** On Fri, 17 May 2019 at 20:35, Ralf Mattes <[3][2]r...@mh-freiburg.de> wrote: Am Freitag, 17. Mai 2019 20:26 CEST, David van Ooijen <[4][3]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> schrieb: >The best thing in both units is that you can override the auto gain >(don't even know if the bigger unit has auto gain, the bane of dynamic >playing). Yeah, you would never want to use auto-gain ;-) Cheers, RalfD -- References 1. mailto:[4]davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. [5]http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:[6]r...@mh-freiburg.de 4. mailto:[7]davidvanooi...@gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at [8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. mailto:r...@mh-freiburg.de 3. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 4. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 5. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 6. mailto:r...@mh-freiburg.de 7. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: decent field recorder for lute
I use a Zoom H2 for recording concerts including those with singers, strings etc as well as lute/theorbo/guitar. Very quick to set up with a good field of capture. I then download to my PC and use Audacity (others are available!) to adjust - this also avoids having to undertake numerous tests at the time to set optimum levels. MH On Friday, 17 May 2019, 19:42:56 BST, David van Ooijen wrote: You'd be surprised, some devices only have auto gain ... David *** David van Ooijen [1][1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** On Fri, 17 May 2019 at 20:35, Ralf Mattes <[3][2]r...@mh-freiburg.de> wrote: Am Freitag, 17. Mai 2019 20:26 CEST, David van Ooijen <[4][3]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> schrieb: >The best thing in both units is that you can override the auto gain >(don't even know if the bigger unit has auto gain, the bane of dynamic >playing). Yeah, you would never want to use auto-gain ;-) Cheers, RalfD -- References 1. mailto:[4]davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. [5]http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:[6]r...@mh-freiburg.de 4. mailto:[7]davidvanooi...@gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at [8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. mailto:r...@mh-freiburg.de 3. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 4. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 5. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 6. mailto:r...@mh-freiburg.de 7. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: decent field recorder for lute
The best field recording device is your own iPhone, with a $50 Tascam stereo mic, and Rode recording app. RT http://turovsky.org Feci quod potui. Faciant meliora potentes. > On May 17, 2019, at 10:02 PM, Daniel Heiman wrote: > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: decent field recorder for lute
On the Amazon US website, on the "reviews" page for the Roland R-07 recorder, there is an extensive comparative discussion by Micheal Mathews of that recorder vs. the Zoom H-1 and the Tascam DR-07. His conclusion is that the Roland wins for musical recording. https://www.amazon.com/Roland-High-Resolution-Handheld-Recorder-R-07-BK/product-reviews/B079P7PHCJ/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_hist_4?ie=UTF8=all_reviews=four_star=1 My own experience is with a Roland/Edirol R-09, the predecessor of the R-07. It is robust, compact, light-weight and produces outstanding quality musical recordings, provided you use a good external microphone, like the Audio-Technica AT2022 model. The onboard microphones on the now-obsolete R-09 have too much hiss for high-quality recording anywhere but in a pub. All the recordings from the Byron Colby Barn series are done with the R-09 + AT2022 combination. On Nigel North's 11-course lute recital he played EXCEEDINGLY softly, but I still got a beautiful, clean audio track (YouTube processing of course does not allow for the full quality to be appreciated). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeUzsDrNvyU=PLpqjW-m8Wu61iDBYZbiIXcSVpPHop0g-x Regards, Daniel Heiman -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Tristan von Neumann Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 10:29 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] decent field recorder for lute Dear collective experience, while we're at it: I finally have some small budget to buy a recording device. What I want: * use it at home to record lute music and other instruments (* use it as a usb mic) * take it with me and record in the park or pub or wherever a session might come along * I have linux, so at least it should be possible to extract the files without removing the SD card So far, the Zoom H2n seems like the best option. Some people say the noise is quite high, others don't. (Samples from youtube with guitar seem ok, but not really sparkling - I know, this is not a replacement big membrane studio mic, but still...) In Germany, the Zoom is available for around 150 Eurobucks. What are the alternatives? (and keep in mind that it should be available in Germany...) Thanks! To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: decent field recorder for lute
Thank you all for the input. I guess I can manage 200 bucks even if it hurts. My room is actually not suboptimal for recording, I have sofa, carpet, wall carpet, etc. and it sounds really dry. I guess I'll go for the H4n just because some of the features are very interesting. Still, I wonder how it compares to the H2n which was a recommendation years ago on the list? If I can save 50 bucks by not having features I wouldn't use anyway... On 18.05.19 01:38, Jurgen Frenz wrote: I found Tascam recorders to sound better than "the others" - the zoom devices have powerful marketing. Forget about USB mics, they are crap and I'm polite. If you want to record straight into your com running Linux you exponentially add problem sources, I strongly encourage you not to. Good luck -- “Close your eyes. Fall in love. Stay there.” Jalāl ad-Dīn Muhammad Rumi ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Saturday, May 18, 2019 1:26 AM, David van Ooijen wrote: I own a portable Marantz with decent on-board mics that does the job. I also own a slightly bigger Marantz (still portable) with on board mics but that I connect proper mic to and use as my studios recording device. Very, quiet mic preamps. Happy with both. The best thing in both units is that you can override the auto gain (don't even know if the bigger unit has auto gain, the bane of dynamic playing). David David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl On Fri, 17 May 2019 at 20:16, Matthew Daillie <[3]dail...@club-internet.fr> wrote: I have a Tascam DR-1 and it has given me years of loyal service. It gives a very clean, natural sound, has good build quality and the original battery still provides outstanding autonomy. This model has obviously been superseded but there are several others on offer. Try to see one in the flesh before purchase to check on the robustness of the models of the present range. Tascam have been in business for years, notably providing equipment to professional recording studios and radio stations but I suspect the cheaper models cut corners on solidity. Best, Matthew Le 17 mai 2019 à 17:29, Tristan von Neumann <[4]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> a écrit : > Dear collective experience, > > > while we're at it: > I finally have some small budget to buy a recording device. > > > What I want: > * use it at home to record lute music and other instruments > > (* use it as a usb mic) > > * take it with me and record in the park or pub or wherever a session > might come along > > * I have linux, so at least it should be possible to extract the files > without removing the SD card > > > So far, the Zoom H2n seems like the best option. Some people say the > noise is quite high, others don't. > > (Samples from youtube with guitar seem ok, but not really sparkling - I > know, this is not a replacement big membrane studio mic, but still...) > > In Germany, the Zoom is available for around 150 Eurobucks. > > > What are the alternatives? (and keep in mind that it should be available > in Germany...) > > > Thanks! > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:dail...@club-internet.fr 4. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: decent field recorder for lute
Hi, Tristan. > > while we're at it: > I finally have some small budget to buy a recording device. > I very much like the Sony PCM-M10. I've no idea of how it compares pricewise, but it is an excellent portable recorder both using its internal mics and using plugins. HTH .. m. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: decent field recorder for lute
I found Tascam recorders to sound better than "the others" - the zoom devices have powerful marketing. Forget about USB mics, they are crap and I'm polite. If you want to record straight into your com running Linux you exponentially add problem sources, I strongly encourage you not to. Good luck -- “Close your eyes. Fall in love. Stay there.” Jalāl ad-Dīn Muhammad Rumi ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Saturday, May 18, 2019 1:26 AM, David van Ooijen wrote: > I own a portable Marantz with decent on-board mics that does the job. I > also own a slightly bigger Marantz (still portable) with on board mics > but that I connect proper mic to and use as my studios recording > device. Very, quiet mic preamps. Happy with both. > The best thing in both units is that you can override the auto gain > (don't even know if the bigger unit has auto gain, the bane of dynamic > playing). > David > > David van Ooijen > [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com > [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl > > On Fri, 17 May 2019 at 20:16, Matthew Daillie > <[3]dail...@club-internet.fr> wrote: > > I have a Tascam DR-1 and it has given me years of loyal service. It > gives a very clean, natural sound, has good build quality and the > original battery still provides outstanding autonomy. This model has > obviously been superseded but there are several others on offer. Try > to see one in the flesh before purchase to check on the robustness > of the models of the present range. Tascam have been in business for > years, notably providing equipment to professional recording studios > and radio stations but I suspect the cheaper models cut corners on > solidity. > Best, > Matthew > Le 17 mai 2019 à 17:29, Tristan von Neumann > <[4]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> a écrit : > > > Dear collective experience, > > > > > > > > > while we're at it: > > > I finally have some small budget to buy a recording device. > > > > > > > > > What I want: > > > * use it at home to record lute music and other instruments > > > > > > (* use it as a usb mic) > > > > > > * take it with me and record in the park or pub or wherever a > > session > > might come along > > > > > > * I have linux, so at least it should be possible to extract the > > files > > without removing the SD card > > > > > > > > > So far, the Zoom H2n seems like the best option. Some people say > > the > > noise is quite high, others don't. > > > > > > (Samples from youtube with guitar seem ok, but not really > > sparkling - I > > know, this is not a replacement big membrane studio mic, but > > still...) > > > > > In Germany, the Zoom is available for around 150 Eurobucks. > > > > > > > > > What are the alternatives? (and keep in mind that it should be > > available > > in Germany...) > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > > [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > -- > > References > > 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com > 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ > 3. mailto:dail...@club-internet.fr > 4. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de > 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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You'd be surprised, some devices only have auto gain ... David *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** On Fri, 17 May 2019 at 20:35, Ralf Mattes <[3]r...@mh-freiburg.de> wrote: Am Freitag, 17. Mai 2019 20:26 CEST, David van Ooijen <[4]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> schrieb: > The best thing in both units is that you can override the auto gain > (don't even know if the bigger unit has auto gain, the bane of dynamic > playing). Yeah, you would never want to use auto-gain ;-) Cheers, RalfD -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:r...@mh-freiburg.de 4. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: decent field recorder for lute
Am Freitag, 17. Mai 2019 20:26 CEST, David van Ooijen schrieb: >The best thing in both units is that you can override the auto gain >(don't even know if the bigger unit has auto gain, the bane of dynamic >playing). Yeah, you would never want to use auto-gain ;-) Cheers, RalfD To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: decent field recorder for lute
Yes, Tascam does make some pretty nice hardware. But keep in mind: the "cheaper" (<200 Euro) models lack the possibility to plug in external mics. That's fine for concert recordings but if you want to do a semi-professional solo lute recording (esp. in a sub-optimal recording space) you probably want mics that can be carefully placed. Cheers, RalfD Am Freitag, 17. Mai 2019 20:11 CEST, Matthew Daillie schrieb: > I have a Tascam DR-1 and it has given me years of loyal service. It gives a > very clean, natural sound, has good build quality and the original battery > still provides outstanding autonomy. This model has obviously been superseded > but there are several others on offer. Try to see one in the flesh before > purchase to check on the robustness of the models of the present range. > Tascam have been in business for years, notably providing equipment to > professional recording studios and radio stations but I suspect the cheaper > models cut corners on solidity. > > Best, > > Matthew > > > Le 17 mai 2019 à 17:29, Tristan von Neumann a > écrit : > > > Dear collective experience, > > > > > > while we're at it: > > I finally have some small budget to buy a recording device. > > > > > > What I want: > > * use it at home to record lute music and other instruments > > > > (* use it as a usb mic) > > > > * take it with me and record in the park or pub or wherever a session > > might come along > > > > * I have linux, so at least it should be possible to extract the files > > without removing the SD card > > > > > > So far, the Zoom H2n seems like the best option. Some people say the > > noise is quite high, others don't. > > > > (Samples from youtube with guitar seem ok, but not really sparkling - I > > know, this is not a replacement big membrane studio mic, but still...) > > > > In Germany, the Zoom is available for around 150 Eurobucks. > > > > > > What are the alternatives? (and keep in mind that it should be available > > in Germany...) > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > >
[LUTE] Re: decent field recorder for lute
I own a portable Marantz with decent on-board mics that does the job. I also own a slightly bigger Marantz (still portable) with on board mics but that I connect proper mic to and use as my studios recording device. Very, quiet mic preamps. Happy with both. The best thing in both units is that you can override the auto gain (don't even know if the bigger unit has auto gain, the bane of dynamic playing). David *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** On Fri, 17 May 2019 at 20:16, Matthew Daillie <[3]dail...@club-internet.fr> wrote: I have a Tascam DR-1 and it has given me years of loyal service. It gives a very clean, natural sound, has good build quality and the original battery still provides outstanding autonomy. This model has obviously been superseded but there are several others on offer. Try to see one in the flesh before purchase to check on the robustness of the models of the present range. Tascam have been in business for years, notably providing equipment to professional recording studios and radio stations but I suspect the cheaper models cut corners on solidity. Best, Matthew Le 17 mai 2019 à 17:29, Tristan von Neumann <[4]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> a écrit : > Dear collective experience, > > > while we're at it: > I finally have some small budget to buy a recording device. > > > What I want: > * use it at home to record lute music and other instruments > > (* use it as a usb mic) > > * take it with me and record in the park or pub or wherever a session > might come along > > * I have linux, so at least it should be possible to extract the files > without removing the SD card > > > So far, the Zoom H2n seems like the best option. Some people say the > noise is quite high, others don't. > > (Samples from youtube with guitar seem ok, but not really sparkling - I > know, this is not a replacement big membrane studio mic, but still...) > > In Germany, the Zoom is available for around 150 Eurobucks. > > > What are the alternatives? (and keep in mind that it should be available > in Germany...) > > > Thanks! > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:dail...@club-internet.fr 4. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: decent field recorder for lute
I have a Tascam DR-1 and it has given me years of loyal service. It gives a very clean, natural sound, has good build quality and the original battery still provides outstanding autonomy. This model has obviously been superseded but there are several others on offer. Try to see one in the flesh before purchase to check on the robustness of the models of the present range. Tascam have been in business for years, notably providing equipment to professional recording studios and radio stations but I suspect the cheaper models cut corners on solidity. Best, Matthew Le 17 mai 2019 à 17:29, Tristan von Neumann a écrit : > Dear collective experience, > > > while we're at it: > I finally have some small budget to buy a recording device. > > > What I want: > * use it at home to record lute music and other instruments > > (* use it as a usb mic) > > * take it with me and record in the park or pub or wherever a session > might come along > > * I have linux, so at least it should be possible to extract the files > without removing the SD card > > > So far, the Zoom H2n seems like the best option. Some people say the > noise is quite high, others don't. > > (Samples from youtube with guitar seem ok, but not really sparkling - I > know, this is not a replacement big membrane studio mic, but still...) > > In Germany, the Zoom is available for around 150 Eurobucks. > > > What are the alternatives? (and keep in mind that it should be available > in Germany...) > > > Thanks! > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: decent field recorder for lute
I'll second the recommendation for the Zoom H4. I got the H4n Pro as an upgrade from the Zoom H1. The H1 was great for a few years, but the H4n Pro has significantly better preamps. The original H4 has the same pre's as the H1, but the H4n Pro has the same pre's as the H6, so you get a LOT more headroom. As was previously mentioned, you can also use external mics on their own or in conjunction with the built in capsules to get up to 4 simultaneously recorded tracks. The biggest drawback I've found with these units is battery life. At home, I always use the AC adapter. In the field, I carry backup rechargeable batteries. Phantom power will kill the batteries in less than an hour. If you'd like to hear how the H1/H4n Pro sound in the context of lute (and guitar) music specifically, every recording on my website was made with them. With the H1 around $100 USD (I got mine on sale for about $60) and the H4n Pro at about $200, I'd say go for the H4n Pro. Warmest Regards, Jacob Johnson [1]www.johnsonguitarstudio.com On Fri, May 17, 2019, 11:41 AM Ralf Mattes <[2]r...@mh-freiburg.de> wrote: I own a Zoom H4 (the old version) and am pretty happy with it. Did many concert recordings with it. The actual microphone capsules are pretty good (way better than one would expect). If you need you can plug in external mics - the device provides phantom power so you can use high-quality condenser mics. The preamps are good for what the device is designed for (live recording). The are a bit noisy iff you need to crank up the input gain. So I wouldn't recomend the device if you want to use it to record environmental noise (wind in the willows et al.). The device is a class-compliant USB audio device as well, so you can record directly into your DAW (and it does work fine with Linux. That's what I use personally). Alternatively, you can mount the device as a storage device and copy files from/to it. One thing to mention: all Zooms are very microphonic! Don't plan on redording holding the device in your hand. I think the current price for a new-gen. Zoom H4 is below 200 Euro at Thomann. HTH, RalfD Am Freitag, 17. Mai 2019 17:29 CEST, Tristan von Neumann <[3]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> schrieb: > Dear collective experience, > > > while we're at it: > I finally have some small budget to buy a recording device. > > > What I want: > * use it at home to record lute music and other instruments > > (* use it as a usb mic) > > * take it with me and record in the park or pub or wherever a session > might come along > > * I have linux, so at least it should be possible to extract the files > without removing the SD card > > > So far, the Zoom H2n seems like the best option. Some people say the > noise is quite high, others don't. > > (Samples from youtube with guitar seem ok, but not really sparkling - I > know, this is not a replacement big membrane studio mic, but still...) > > In Germany, the Zoom is available for around 150 Eurobucks. > > > What are the alternatives? (and keep in mind that it should be available > in Germany...) > > > Thanks! > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.johnsonguitarstudio.com/ 2. mailto:r...@mh-freiburg.de 3. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: decent field recorder for lute
I own a Zoom H4 (the old version) and am pretty happy with it. Did many concert recordings with it. The actual microphone capsules are pretty good (way better than one would expect). If you need you can plug in external mics - the device provides phantom power so you can use high-quality condenser mics. The preamps are good for what the device is designed for (live recording). The are a bit noisy iff you need to crank up the input gain. So I wouldn't recomend the device if you want to use it to record environmental noise (wind in the willows et al.). The device is a class-compliant USB audio device as well, so you can record directly into your DAW (and it does work fine with Linux. That's what I use personally). Alternatively, you can mount the device as a storage device and copy files from/to it. One thing to mention: all Zooms are very microphonic! Don't plan on redording holding the device in your hand. I think the current price for a new-gen. Zoom H4 is below 200 Euro at Thomann. HTH, RalfD Am Freitag, 17. Mai 2019 17:29 CEST, Tristan von Neumann schrieb: > Dear collective experience, > > > while we're at it: > I finally have some small budget to buy a recording device. > > > What I want: > * use it at home to record lute music and other instruments > > (* use it as a usb mic) > > * take it with me and record in the park or pub or wherever a session > might come along > > * I have linux, so at least it should be possible to extract the files > without removing the SD card > > > So far, the Zoom H2n seems like the best option. Some people say the > noise is quite high, others don't. > > (Samples from youtube with guitar seem ok, but not really sparkling - I > know, this is not a replacement big membrane studio mic, but still...) > > In Germany, the Zoom is available for around 150 Eurobucks. > > > What are the alternatives? (and keep in mind that it should be available > in Germany...) > > > Thanks! > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
