Beards

[Stewart McCoy]

Dear Roman,

I am aghast at the thought of a beard tax, which you mention in
connection with Peter the Great. A great many lutenists today have
beards.

I would be interested to know what percentage of contributors to
this list have beards. My guess is that it would be surprisingly
high, maybe more than 30%, even allowing for female contributors.

Just for the record, I have a beard.

Best wishes,

Stewart.


- Original Message -
From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Stewart McCoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute Net"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: Question about lute courses/strings


> > Dear Jon,
> >
> > I am amazed
> Dear Stewart, could you ever write "aghast"? Maybe once?
> RT

- Original Message -
From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "LUTE-LIST" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: renaissance america (AustrianArnold,etc)

> > When Peter the Great shaved off the last boyar beard?
> Took 'em awhile to get shaved. There was also a period of beard
tax (sic!).




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Beards

[thomas . schall]

If a mustache and a certain laziness when it comes to shaving counts I
would have a beard, too.

Best wishes
Thomas




"Stephan Olbertz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> am 13.12.2004 08:41:34

An:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kopie:

Thema: Re: Beards

If shaving only every two weeks counts for a beard, I have one
too...

Regards,

Stephan

Am 12 Dec 2004 um 23:23 hat Stewart McCoy geschrieben:

> Dear Roman,
>
> I am aghast at the thought of a beard tax, which you mention in
> connection with Peter the Great. A great many lutenists today have
> beards.
>
> I would be interested to know what percentage of contributors to
> this list have beards. My guess is that it would be surprisingly
> high, maybe more than 30%, even allowing for female contributors.
>
> Just for the record, I have a beard.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Stewart.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Stewart McCoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute Net"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 2:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Question about lute courses/strings
>
>
> > > Dear Jon,
> > >
> > > I am amazed
> > Dear Stewart, could you ever write "aghast"? Maybe once?
> > RT
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "LUTE-LIST" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 9:04 PM
> Subject: Re: renaissance america (AustrianArnold,etc)
>
> > > When Peter the Great shaved off the last boyar beard?
> > Took 'em awhile to get shaved. There was also a period of beard
> tax (sic!).
>
>
>
>
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Re: Beards

[Roman Turovsky]

> I am aghast at the thought of a beard tax, which you mention in
> connection with Peter the Great. A great many lutenists today have
> beards.
> 
> I would be interested to know what percentage of contributors to
> this list have beards. My guess is that it would be surprisingly
> high, maybe more than 30%, even allowing for female contributors.
> 
> Just for the record, I have a beard.
And so do I.
RT

> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Stewart.
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Stewart McCoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute Net"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 2:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Question about lute courses/strings
> 
> 
>>> Dear Jon,
>>> 
>>> I am amazed
>> Dear Stewart, could you ever write "aghast"? Maybe once?
>> RT
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "LUTE-LIST" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 9:04 PM
> Subject: Re: renaissance america (AustrianArnold,etc)
> 
>>> When Peter the Great shaved off the last boyar beard?
>> Took 'em awhile to get shaved. There was also a period of beard
> tax (sic!).
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Beards

[Bob Purrenhage]

I, too, have a beard (but not just for the record). Would that be a 
'value-added' tax I'd pay? a progressive tax if I keep growing it longer??

Bob Purrenhage


Stewart McCoy wrote:

>Dear Roman,
>
>I am aghast at the thought of a beard tax, which you mention in
>connection with Peter the Great. A great many lutenists today have
>beards.
>
>I would be interested to know what percentage of contributors to
>this list have beards. My guess is that it would be surprisingly
>high, maybe more than 30%, even allowing for female contributors.
>
>Just for the record, I have a beard.
>
>Best wishes,
>
>Stewart.
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Stewart McCoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute Net"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 2:28 PM
>Subject: Re: Question about lute courses/strings
>
>
>  
>
>>>Dear Jon,
>>>
>>>I am amazed
>>>  
>>>
>>Dear Stewart, could you ever write "aghast"? Maybe once?
>>RT
>>
>>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "LUTE-LIST" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 9:04 PM
>Subject: Re: renaissance america (AustrianArnold,etc)
>
>  
>
>>>When Peter the Great shaved off the last boyar beard?
>>>  
>>>
>>Took 'em awhile to get shaved. There was also a period of beard
>>
>>
>tax (sic!).
>
>
>
>
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>  
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Re: Beards

[Stephan Olbertz]

If shaving only every two weeks counts for a beard, I have one 
too...

Regards,

Stephan

Am 12 Dec 2004 um 23:23 hat Stewart McCoy geschrieben:

> Dear Roman,
> 
> I am aghast at the thought of a beard tax, which you mention in
> connection with Peter the Great. A great many lutenists today have
> beards.
> 
> I would be interested to know what percentage of contributors to
> this list have beards. My guess is that it would be surprisingly
> high, maybe more than 30%, even allowing for female contributors.
> 
> Just for the record, I have a beard.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Stewart.
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Stewart McCoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute Net"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 2:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Question about lute courses/strings
> 
> 
> > > Dear Jon,
> > >
> > > I am amazed
> > Dear Stewart, could you ever write "aghast"? Maybe once?
> > RT
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "LUTE-LIST" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 9:04 PM
> Subject: Re: renaissance america (AustrianArnold,etc)
> 
> > > When Peter the Great shaved off the last boyar beard?
> > Took 'em awhile to get shaved. There was also a period of beard
> tax (sic!).
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Beards

[Jon Murphy]

Gentlemen (and lady, I believe we have at least one),

There are two questions here, the taxation and the beard. The taxation is
the briefer issue so let us dispose of it first. Some thirty years ago (or
thereabouts) a state legislator of Rhode Island proposed a tax on men for
each time they had sexual intercourse (with wives or otherwise). His logic
was impeccable, what man would admit to not getting laid. In fact he felt
that he might get some overpayments on the tax, totally voluntary. The beard
tax might have had the same logic, if a beard at the time was considered a
sign of manhood. I can't say, I may be old but I don't really have personal
knowledge of the social issues in Peter's court.

As to the number of beards on this list I am of little help on the
statistics. I never have one in the summer and often have one in the winter.
But they are always of a different shape. (My Navy ID card in 1959 had be
with a Wyatt Earp mustache, but it took me a long time to grow - and the USN
didn't allow beards, which I grow quickly - at the same time the Royal Navy
allowed no mustaches, grow any whisker and it will be all of them).

Last winter, having spent a spell in hospital in the fall, I had an "Ahab",
the ship's captain's shaved upper lip and full jaw whiskers, but I only kept
it long enough to confront my fully bearded "ferry boat captain" (Jim spent
a career as a marine biologist at Wood's Hole institute, and now that
retired PU Tigertone (a bari to my 2T) captains a ferry boat in Maine, when
not lecturing around the world - but I had to beat his beard. It has been
years since I grew a "full woolly", the ones that are completely unshaven.
That one is rather annoying as the whiskers on the neck seem to compete with
each other as to which part of one's neck they will poke into. So in
practice, for comfort, one must shave the neck (if one's genes tend to a
full beard). The mustache (which I mention I'm slow in growing, although my
unshaven look on the rest of my face becomes a beard within a week) is
annoying also, unless one really enjoys the flavor of one's lunch while
eating one's dinner. The "Richelieu", the pointed goatee and mustache of the
Renaissance is both high maintainance and rather silly looking, while the
rounded goatee with mustache still has the problem of the filter just under
one's nose. I have worn them all over the 55 years (give or take) since
puberty. (And when I finally get something on my web site may picture them).
But I yet prefer the clean shave in summer, it gets hot and itchy in New
Jersey. The jaw line beard is the most comfortable, but high maintainence. I
once had a little "Hitler" mustache, it came about when yet in the Navy and
after a long night double watch I hacked off half of one side before knowing
what I was doing, so had to balance it on the other side, but that went the
next day.

Isn't it interesting that some moderns have beards but no hair on their
chests, in my day the hairy chest was the mark of manhood, not the chin
whiskers. Oh Tempore, Oh Mores.

I don't believe that I'll join the bearded crowd this winter, but who can
tell about next winter. Put me in the category of bearded sometimes, and
sometimes not. If I were forced to say a percentage I'd say that I've been
bearded about 5% of the fifty years where it was possible.

Best, Jon



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Re: Beards

[Arto Wikla]

Well, I have one kind of  moustache and something that in Italian is 
perhaps called "mosca". A littlelike Bellerofonte Castaldi in this 
picture:
  http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/Castaldi.jpg
Not so long moustache, though:
  http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/KarikatyyriMin.gif

  ;-)
Arto



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Re: Beards

[Ron Fletcher]

I have been known to grow a beard for the Summer, (April to September),
for 17th C. re-enactments.  I sport a Van Dyke style with moustache.
Most of the pictures of historical lute-players I have seen show
similar.

Some of my friends portray Scottish clansmen of that period.  With their
flowing kilts and wild 'face-fungus', they have been called 'Women with
beards'!

With regards to a beard-tax, growing a beard for only half the year, I
would want a six-month tax rebate!  I still have to buy razors!

How many of our full-bearded lute-players will get aftershave for
Christmas? 

Best Wishes

Ron (UK)



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Re: Beards

[Carl Donsbach]

I wore a beard for a while.  It taxed my patience until I lost it in a 
shaving accident.


--On Sunday, December 12, 2004 6:50 PM -0500 Bob Purrenhage 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I, too, have a beard (but not just for the record). Would that be a
> 'value-added' tax I'd pay? a progressive tax if I keep growing it longer??
>
> Bob Purrenhage
>
> 
> Stewart McCoy wrote:
>
>> Dear Roman,
>>
>> I am aghast at the thought of a beard tax, which you mention in
>> connection with Peter the Great. A great many lutenists today have
>> beards.
>>
>> I would be interested to know what percentage of contributors to
>> this list have beards. My guess is that it would be surprisingly
>> high, maybe more than 30%, even allowing for female contributors.
>>
>> Just for the record, I have a beard.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Stewart.
>>



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Re: Beards

[bill kilpatrick]

you'll pick it up in a jiffy, doc.  all you need is a
psychotic drill instructor and miles and miles and
miles of south carolina sand.

 --- Doctor Oakroot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> I have a beard. In fact, I have no idea how to shave
> so I 'm stuck with
> it, lol.
> 
> 
> 
> Carl Donsbach wrote:
> > I wore a beard for a while.  It taxed my patience
> until I lost it in a
> > shaving accident.
> >
> >
> > --On Sunday, December 12, 2004 6:50 PM -0500 Bob
> Purrenhage
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> I, too, have a beard (but not just for the
> record). Would that be a
> >> 'value-added' tax I'd pay? a progressive tax if I
> keep growing it
> >> longer??
> >>
> >> Bob Purrenhage
> >>
> >>
> 
> >> Stewart McCoy wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dear Roman,
> >>>
> >>> I am aghast at the thought of a beard tax, which
> you mention in
> >>> connection with Peter the Great. A great many
> lutenists today have
> >>> beards.
> >>>
> >>> I would be interested to know what percentage of
> contributors to
> >>> this list have beards. My guess is that it would
> be surprisingly
> >>> high, maybe more than 30%, even allowing for
> female contributors.
> >>>
> >>> Just for the record, I have a beard.
> >>>
> >>> Best wishes,
> >>>
> >>> Stewart.
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> > To get on or off this list see list information at
> >
>
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> >
> 
> 
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Re: Beards

[Jon Murphy]

You make a good point Stuart, but you miss the lottery rationale. Government
policies may promote productivity and therefore more tax revenue, as would a
lutenist tax that was dedicated and graduated to advantage the more
proficient. This would promote practice in order to gain the tax advantage,
as we all know that lutenists are in it only for the money, so the better
they are the less percentage of gross they pay.

But then there is the other form of taxation, the tax that is voluntarily
paid in order to play. The lottery is a voluntary tax payment - the higher
the prize the less the expected value (as the government "skim" is more than
50% in most states). Give government certificates of compentence at
fingering and tax the best at a higher rate. Now you don't actually have to
play, just show the certificate that says you are good and let the audience
applaud that. Saves a lot of time and effort (for both lutenist and
audience). Fun and games with the tax man.

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RE: Beards

[Edward Martin]

So. why don't we merely put beards on the face of the lute, 
instead of the lutenist?

ed

At 09:02 PM 12/13/2004 -0600, Stuart LeBlanc wrote:

>It seems to me that in a democratic society, the primary consideration in 
>regard to any putative Lutenist-Beard Tax would be what
>social services would result from the budgetary opportunities arising from 
>such tax.  For example, if the revenues went toward a
>national trust dedicated to the preservation of lute source materials.
>
>Of course, there are certain "supply-side" economic theorists who would 
>argue that Government intervention in the free market of
>lute goods and services is inherently nefarious, and furthermore that such 
>taxation would be a net reduction of the economic power
>of each individual bearded lutenist, ultimately resulting in the reduction 
>of lute-related markets, ultimately bankrupting most
>luthiers, tablature publishers and string makers.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Bob Purrenhage [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 5:50 PM
>To: Lute Net
>Subject: Re: Beards
>
>
>I, too, have a beard (but not just for the record). Would that be a
>'value-added' tax I'd pay? a progressive tax if I keep growing it longer??
>
>Bob Purrenhage
>
>
>Stewart McCoy wrote:
>
> >Dear Roman,
> >
> >I am aghast at the thought of a beard tax, which you mention in
> >connection with Peter the Great. A great many lutenists today have
> >beards.
> >
> >I would be interested to know what percentage of contributors to
> >this list have beards. My guess is that it would be surprisingly
> >high, maybe more than 30%, even allowing for female contributors.
> >
> >Just for the record, I have a beard.
> >
> >Best wishes,
> >
> >Stewart.
> >
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "Stewart McCoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute Net"
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 2:28 PM
> >Subject: Re: Question about lute courses/strings
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>>Dear Jon,
> >>>
> >>>I am amazed
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Dear Stewart, could you ever write "aghast"? Maybe once?
> >>RT
> >>
> >>
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "LUTE-LIST" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 9:04 PM
> >Subject: Re: renaissance america (AustrianArnold,etc)
> >
> >
> >
> >>>When Peter the Great shaved off the last boyar beard?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Took 'em awhile to get shaved. There was also a period of beard
> >>
> >>
> >tax (sic!).
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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Beards - conclusion

[Stewart McCoy]

Dear All,

The beard thread has run its course, so it is now appropriate to
draw a conclusion.

It has not been easy to calculate an accurate percentage of bearded
lute-netters, because some people, like Ron Fletcher and Jon Murphy,
have beards only for some of the time. One has to draw a line
somewhere, so I count them both as bearded, along with Stephan
Olbertz (who shaves only once a fortnight), but I don't include Bill
Kilpatrick (stubbly most mornings). I assume from Al Padilla's
cryptic joke that he is bearded. I include Arto Wikla, but only by a
whisker.

Bearded

Stewart McCoy (Just for the record, I have a beard)
Leonard Williams (Beard here)
Bob Purrenhage (I, too, have a beard)
Roman Turovsky (And so do I)
Stephan Olbertz (If shaving only every two weeks counts)
Thomas Schall (moustache and a certain laziness)
Ron Fletcher (April to September only)
Jon Murphy (bearded sometimes, and sometimes not)
Al Padilla (I feel your pain)
Gary Digman (then they levied one on me)
Arto Wikla (perhaps called "mosca")
Doctor Oakroot (I have no idea how to shave)
Daniel Heiman (Beard firmly in place)

Clean-shaven

Edward Martin (I do not have one)
Bill Kilpatrick (stubbly most mornings)
Donatella Galetti (I don't have a beard)
Carl Donsbach (I wore a beard for a while)

Didn't say

Rainer aus dem Spring (how many female list members have a beard?)
Paolo Declich (I can testify it)
Stuart LeBlanc (resulting in the reduction of lute-related markets)

That means that of the 17 people who have stated whether or not they
are bearded, 13 are bearded, and only four clean shaven. That's a
pretty high percentage of bearded lutenists.

Best wishes,

Stewart McCoy.




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Re: Beards

[arckon]

Beard here (though perhaps for only a short while longer after 21 years).
Leonard

From: "Stewart McCoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2004/12/12 Sun PM 06:23:28 EST
To: "Lute Net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Beards

Dear Roman,

I am aghast at the thought of a beard tax, which you mention in
connection with Peter the Great. A great many lutenists today have
beards.

I would be interested to know what percentage of contributors to
this list have beards. My guess is that it would be surprisingly
high, maybe more than 30%, even allowing for female contributors.

Just for the record, I have a beard.

Best wishes,

Stewart.


- Original Message -
From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Stewart McCoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute Net"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: Question about lute courses/strings


> > Dear Jon,
> >
> > I am amazed
> Dear Stewart, could you ever write "aghast"? Maybe once?
> RT

- Original Message -
From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "LUTE-LIST" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: renaissance america (AustrianArnold,etc)

> > When Peter the Great shaved off the last boyar beard?
> Took 'em awhile to get shaved. There was also a period of beard
tax (sic!).




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Re: Beards

[adS]

Stewart McCoy wrote:
> Dear Roman,
> 
> I am aghast at the thought of a beard tax, which you mention in
> connection with Peter the Great. A great many lutenists today have
> beards.
> 
> I would be interested to know what percentage of contributors to
> this list have beards. My guess is that it would be surprisingly
> high, maybe more than 30%, even allowing for female contributors.

Hm, how many female list members have a beard?
What do you mean? :)

Rainer



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Re: Beards

[Doctor Oakroot]

I have a beard. In fact, I have no idea how to shave so I 'm stuck with
it, lol.



Carl Donsbach wrote:
> I wore a beard for a while.  It taxed my patience until I lost it in a
> shaving accident.
>
>
> --On Sunday, December 12, 2004 6:50 PM -0500 Bob Purrenhage
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I, too, have a beard (but not just for the record). Would that be a
>> 'value-added' tax I'd pay? a progressive tax if I keep growing it
>> longer??
>>
>> Bob Purrenhage
>>
>> 
>> Stewart McCoy wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Roman,
>>>
>>> I am aghast at the thought of a beard tax, which you mention in
>>> connection with Peter the Great. A great many lutenists today have
>>> beards.
>>>
>>> I would be interested to know what percentage of contributors to
>>> this list have beards. My guess is that it would be surprisingly
>>> high, maybe more than 30%, even allowing for female contributors.
>>>
>>> Just for the record, I have a beard.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Stewart.
>>>
>
>
>
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RE: Beards

[Stuart LeBlanc]

It seems to me that in a democratic society, the primary consideration in 
regard to any putative Lutenist-Beard Tax would be what
social services would result from the budgetary opportunities arising from such 
tax.  For example, if the revenues went toward a
national trust dedicated to the preservation of lute source materials.

Of course, there are certain "supply-side" economic theorists who would argue 
that Government intervention in the free market of
lute goods and services is inherently nefarious, and furthermore that such 
taxation would be a net reduction of the economic power
of each individual bearded lutenist, ultimately resulting in the reduction of 
lute-related markets, ultimately bankrupting most
luthiers, tablature publishers and string makers.

-Original Message-
From: Bob Purrenhage [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 5:50 PM
To: Lute Net
Subject: Re: Beards


I, too, have a beard (but not just for the record). Would that be a
'value-added' tax I'd pay? a progressive tax if I keep growing it longer??

Bob Purrenhage


Stewart McCoy wrote:

>Dear Roman,
>
>I am aghast at the thought of a beard tax, which you mention in
>connection with Peter the Great. A great many lutenists today have
>beards.
>
>I would be interested to know what percentage of contributors to
>this list have beards. My guess is that it would be surprisingly
>high, maybe more than 30%, even allowing for female contributors.
>
>Just for the record, I have a beard.
>
>Best wishes,
>
>Stewart.
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Stewart McCoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute Net"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 2:28 PM
>Subject: Re: Question about lute courses/strings
>
>
>
>
>>>Dear Jon,
>>>
>>>I am amazed
>>>
>>>
>>Dear Stewart, could you ever write "aghast"? Maybe once?
>>RT
>>
>>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "LUTE-LIST" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 9:04 PM
>Subject: Re: renaissance america (AustrianArnold,etc)
>
>
>
>>>When Peter the Great shaved off the last boyar beard?
>>>
>>>
>>Took 'em awhile to get shaved. There was also a period of beard
>>
>>
>tax (sic!).
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>

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Re: Beards

[Arne Keller]

At 18:39 20-12-2004 +0100, s.gliese wrote:
>G-major
>
>beard
>did God get beard
>or did he gut it
>could gut play bearded
>did God play gutgoat bearded
>or did he just gut it goated
>or
>did he just goat it
>guttingly
>getting gutgoat goatgut
>
>scratching
>
>or did God just get goatgut
>from the arched goats
>getting goatbearded God-gut
>
>got God gut
>did God major in G
>or did he minor in gut
>if he had got gut enough
>
>bearded
>
>steffen

Oh, gut almighty.


Accentually,

Arne.






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RE: Beards

[Charles Browne]

Sir, lutes are astute,
they are only played
by the hirsute!

-Original Message-
From: s.gliese [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 20 December 2004 17:40
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Beards


G-major

beard
did God get beard
or did he gut it
could gut play bearded
did God play gutgoat bearded
or did he just gut it goated
or
did he just goat it
guttingly
getting gutgoat goatgut

scratching

or did God just get goatgut
from the arched goats
getting goatbearded God-gut

got God gut
did God major in G
or did he minor in gut
if he had got gut enough

bearded

steffen




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Re: Beards - conclusion

[Alain Veylit]

Stewart,
I also have a beard: does that mean I get a tax cut? Or is that going to 
trim my finances? Not to split hairs or anything, but what is it we are 
signing for exactly??
Alain

Stewart McCoy wrote:

>Dear All,
>
>The beard thread has run its course, so it is now appropriate to
>draw a conclusion.
>
>It has not been easy to calculate an accurate percentage of bearded
>lute-netters, because some people, like Ron Fletcher and Jon Murphy,
>have beards only for some of the time. One has to draw a line
>somewhere, so I count them both as bearded, along with Stephan
>Olbertz (who shaves only once a fortnight), but I don't include Bill
>Kilpatrick (stubbly most mornings). I assume from Al Padilla's
>cryptic joke that he is bearded. I include Arto Wikla, but only by a
>whisker.
>
>Bearded
>
>Stewart McCoy (Just for the record, I have a beard)
>Leonard Williams (Beard here)
>Bob Purrenhage (I, too, have a beard)
>Roman Turovsky (And so do I)
>Stephan Olbertz (If shaving only every two weeks counts)
>Thomas Schall (moustache and a certain laziness)
>Ron Fletcher (April to September only)
>Jon Murphy (bearded sometimes, and sometimes not)
>Al Padilla (I feel your pain)
>Gary Digman (then they levied one on me)
>Arto Wikla (perhaps called "mosca")
>Doctor Oakroot (I have no idea how to shave)
>Daniel Heiman (Beard firmly in place)
>
>Clean-shaven
>
>Edward Martin (I do not have one)
>Bill Kilpatrick (stubbly most mornings)
>Donatella Galetti (I don't have a beard)
>Carl Donsbach (I wore a beard for a while)
>
>Didn't say
>
>Rainer aus dem Spring (how many female list members have a beard?)
>Paolo Declich (I can testify it)
>Stuart LeBlanc (resulting in the reduction of lute-related markets)
>
>That means that of the 17 people who have stated whether or not they
>are bearded, 13 are bearded, and only four clean shaven. That's a
>pretty high percentage of bearded lutenists.
>
>Best wishes,
>
>Stewart McCoy.
>
>
>
>
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>
>  
>

Re: Beards - conclusion

[Daniel Shoskes]

I hate to not contribute to the sample size. No beard here (pretty
uncomfortable in southern Florida).

Note that in the US at least, "beard" also refers to a male who goes out
with a lesbian so that she can show people that she is not gay. Lends a
whole new meaning to the "beard tax"?

>Dear All,
>
>The beard thread has run its course, so it is now appropriate to
>draw a conclusion.
>
>It has not been easy to calculate an accurate percentage of bearded
>lute-netters, because some people, like Ron Fletcher and Jon Murphy,
>have beards only for some of the time. One has to draw a line
>somewhere, so I count them both as bearded, along with Stephan
>Olbertz (who shaves only once a fortnight), but I don't include Bill
>Kilpatrick (stubbly most mornings). I assume from Al Padilla's
>cryptic joke that he is bearded. I include Arto Wikla, but only by a
>whisker.
>
>Bearded
>
>Stewart McCoy (Just for the record, I have a beard)
>Leonard Williams (Beard here)
>Bob Purrenhage (I, too, have a beard)
>Roman Turovsky (And so do I)
>Stephan Olbertz (If shaving only every two weeks counts)
>Thomas Schall (moustache and a certain laziness)
>Ron Fletcher (April to September only)
>Jon Murphy (bearded sometimes, and sometimes not)
>Al Padilla (I feel your pain)
>Gary Digman (then they levied one on me)
>Arto Wikla (perhaps called "mosca")
>Doctor Oakroot (I have no idea how to shave)
>Daniel Heiman (Beard firmly in place)
>
>Clean-shaven
>
>Edward Martin (I do not have one)
>Bill Kilpatrick (stubbly most mornings)
>Donatella Galetti (I don't have a beard)
>Carl Donsbach (I wore a beard for a while)
>
>Didn't say
>
>Rainer aus dem Spring (how many female list members have a beard?)
>Paolo Declich (I can testify it)
>Stuart LeBlanc (resulting in the reduction of lute-related markets)
>
>That means that of the 17 people who have stated whether or not they
>are bearded, 13 are bearded, and only four clean shaven. That's a
>pretty high percentage of bearded lutenists.
>
>Best wishes,
>
>Stewart McCoy.
>
>
>
>
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RE: Beards - conclusion

[Stuart LeBlanc]

Count me in the one to three weeks of stubble group, which seems neither here
nor there.  BTW what number and length of whiskers constitutes a beard?

-Original Message-
From: Stewart McCoy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 5:50 PM
To: Lute Net
Subject: Beards - conclusion


Dear All,

The beard thread has run its course, so it is now appropriate to
draw a conclusion.

It has not been easy to calculate an accurate percentage of bearded
lute-netters, because some people, like Ron Fletcher and Jon Murphy,
have beards only for some of the time. One has to draw a line
somewhere, so I count them both as bearded, along with Stephan
Olbertz (who shaves only once a fortnight), but I don't include Bill
Kilpatrick (stubbly most mornings). I assume from Al Padilla's
cryptic joke that he is bearded. I include Arto Wikla, but only by a
whisker.

Bearded

Stewart McCoy (Just for the record, I have a beard)
Leonard Williams (Beard here)
Bob Purrenhage (I, too, have a beard)
Roman Turovsky (And so do I)
Stephan Olbertz (If shaving only every two weeks counts)
Thomas Schall (moustache and a certain laziness)
Ron Fletcher (April to September only)
Jon Murphy (bearded sometimes, and sometimes not)
Al Padilla (I feel your pain)
Gary Digman (then they levied one on me)
Arto Wikla (perhaps called "mosca")
Doctor Oakroot (I have no idea how to shave)
Daniel Heiman (Beard firmly in place)

Clean-shaven

Edward Martin (I do not have one)
Bill Kilpatrick (stubbly most mornings)
Donatella Galetti (I don't have a beard)
Carl Donsbach (I wore a beard for a while)

Didn't say

Rainer aus dem Spring (how many female list members have a beard?)
Paolo Declich (I can testify it)
Stuart LeBlanc (resulting in the reduction of lute-related markets)

That means that of the 17 people who have stated whether or not they
are bearded, 13 are bearded, and only four clean shaven. That's a
pretty high percentage of bearded lutenists.

Best wishes,

Stewart McCoy.




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Re: Beards - conclusion

[EUGENE BRAIG IV]

As a certifiable curmudegeon, I entirely missed the whole beard chatter without 
reading a single message.  Not that I count as a lutenist, but I am bearded, 
sometimes fully but usually narrowly and centrally situated.  I also often 
smell more conspicuously of fish than real lutenists.
<http://snr.osu.edu/fac_staff/[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

- Original Message -
From: Stewart McCoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, December 17, 2004 6:49 pm
Subject: Beards - conclusion

> Dear All,
> 
> The beard thread has run its course, so it is now appropriate to
> draw a conclusion.
> 
> It has not been easy to calculate an accurate percentage of bearded
> lute-netters, because some people, like Ron Fletcher and Jon Murphy,
> have beards only for some of the time. One has to draw a line
> somewhere, so I count them both as bearded, along with Stephan
> Olbertz (who shaves only once a fortnight), but I don't include Bill
> Kilpatrick (stubbly most mornings). I assume from Al Padilla's
> cryptic joke that he is bearded. I include Arto Wikla, but only by a
> whisker.
> 
> Bearded
> 
> Stewart McCoy (Just for the record, I have a beard)
> Leonard Williams (Beard here)
> Bob Purrenhage (I, too, have a beard)
> Roman Turovsky (And so do I)
> Stephan Olbertz (If shaving only every two weeks counts)
> Thomas Schall (moustache and a certain laziness)
> Ron Fletcher (April to September only)
> Jon Murphy (bearded sometimes, and sometimes not)
> Al Padilla (I feel your pain)
> Gary Digman (then they levied one on me)
> Arto Wikla (perhaps called "mosca")
> Doctor Oakroot (I have no idea how to shave)
> Daniel Heiman (Beard firmly in place)
> 
> Clean-shaven
> 
> Edward Martin (I do not have one)
> Bill Kilpatrick (stubbly most mornings)
> Donatella Galetti (I don't have a beard)
> Carl Donsbach (I wore a beard for a while)
> 
> Didn't say
> 
> Rainer aus dem Spring (how many female list members have a beard?)
> Paolo Declich (I can testify it)
> Stuart LeBlanc (resulting in the reduction of lute-related markets)
> 
> That means that of the 17 people who have stated whether or not they
> are bearded, 13 are bearded, and only four clean shaven. That's a
> pretty high percentage of bearded lutenists.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Stewart McCoy.



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Re: Beards - conclusion

[Bruno et Valérie]

EUGENE BRAIG IV wrote:

>As a certifiable curmudegeon, I entirely missed the whole beard chatter 
>without reading a single message.  Not that I count as a lutenist, but I am 
>bearded, sometimes fully but usually narrowly and centrally situated.  I also 
>often smell more conspicuously of fish than real lutenists.
><http://snr.osu.edu/fac_staff/[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: Stewart McCoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Friday, December 17, 2004 6:49 pm
>Subject: Beards - conclusion
>
>  
>
>>Dear All,
>>
>>The beard thread has run its course, so it is now appropriate to
>>draw a conclusion.
>>
>>It has not been easy to calculate an accurate percentage of bearded
>>lute-netters, because some people, like Ron Fletcher and Jon Murphy,
>>have beards only for some of the time. One has to draw a line
>>somewhere, so I count them both as bearded, along with Stephan
>>Olbertz (who shaves only once a fortnight), but I don't include Bill
>>Kilpatrick (stubbly most mornings). I assume from Al Padilla's
>>cryptic joke that he is bearded. I include Arto Wikla, but only by a
>>whisker.
>>
>>Bearded
>>
>>Stewart McCoy (Just for the record, I have a beard)
>>Leonard Williams (Beard here)
>>Bob Purrenhage (I, too, have a beard)
>>Roman Turovsky (And so do I)
>>Stephan Olbertz (If shaving only every two weeks counts)
>>Thomas Schall (moustache and a certain laziness)
>>Ron Fletcher (April to September only)
>>Jon Murphy (bearded sometimes, and sometimes not)
>>Al Padilla (I feel your pain)
>>Gary Digman (then they levied one on me)
>>Arto Wikla (perhaps called "mosca")
>>Doctor Oakroot (I have no idea how to shave)
>>Daniel Heiman (Beard firmly in place)
>>
>>Clean-shaven
>>
>>Edward Martin (I do not have one)
>>Bill Kilpatrick (stubbly most mornings)
>>Donatella Galetti (I don't have a beard)
>>Carl Donsbach (I wore a beard for a while)
>>
>>Didn't say
>>
>>Rainer aus dem Spring (how many female list members have a beard?)
>>Paolo Declich (I can testify it)
>>Stuart LeBlanc (resulting in the reduction of lute-related markets)
>>
>>That means that of the 17 people who have stated whether or not they
>>are bearded, 13 are bearded, and only four clean shaven. That's a
>>pretty high percentage of bearded lutenists.
>>
>>Best wishes,
>>
>>Stewart McCoy.
>>
>>
>
>
>
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>
>  
>
Although I have followed this thread quietly, I can only add to your 
conclusion, that I am also bearded and have been for the past 27 years I 
have been playing lute.  Incidentally, I have a long time friend in 
France, who was a lutenist for many years before turning to the Organ, 
and he had a beard  as well. He had the habit of rubbing his long beard 
along the edge of his lute when he played.  After only a few years of 
playing the same lute, he had completely stripped off the varnish


-- 
Bruno Cognyl-Fournier
www.estavel.org
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Beards - conclusion

[Jon Murphy]

> Count me in the one to three weeks of stubble group, which seems neither
here
> nor there.  BTW what number and length of whiskers constitutes a beard?

A beard is not a matter of number or length, it is an aesthetic question.
Does it have a consistancy, or has it bald spots (with no political intent,
Fidel Castro has a lousy beard, it is spotty - I pick him only for his
omniprescence - Che had a good one, just to show my non political judgement
of beards).

It is a beard when it looks like a beard rather than a bit of laziness in
shaving. When it becomes that is not a matter of time nor details, it is the
choice of the viewer and the owner, just as music is the choice of the
audience and the player.

Best, Jon




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Re: Beards - conclusion

[Jon Murphy]

Stewart, a very well done and nice compendium of the various comments.

But I reserve the right to make just this night's comments on the thread, as
I've been off line a couple of days. Then I accept your choice (and concur
with it) to end the thread.

Then again I don't have to reserve the right, as I'm already answering. My
best regards to yourself, and all you value. And my concurrance.

Best, Jon



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Re: Beards - conclusion

["Mathias Rösel"]

Dear Stewart,

may I add that I did say. Until two years ago, I had a Gaultier-beard
and matching long hair. Then came along a girl friend of mine who
radically changed my modes. So, for now you should count me as
clean-shaven :^)
 "Stewart McCoy" <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> Dear All,
> 
> The beard thread has run its course, so it is now appropriate to
> draw a conclusion.
> 
> It has not been easy to calculate an accurate percentage of bearded
> lute-netters, because some people, like Ron Fletcher and Jon Murphy,
> have beards only for some of the time. One has to draw a line
> somewhere, so I count them both as bearded, along with Stephan
> Olbertz (who shaves only once a fortnight), but I don't include Bill
> Kilpatrick (stubbly most mornings). I assume from Al Padilla's
> cryptic joke that he is bearded. I include Arto Wikla, but only by a
> whisker.
> 
> Bearded
> 
> Stewart McCoy (Just for the record, I have a beard)
> Leonard Williams (Beard here)
> Bob Purrenhage (I, too, have a beard)
> Roman Turovsky (And so do I)
> Stephan Olbertz (If shaving only every two weeks counts)
> Thomas Schall (moustache and a certain laziness)
> Ron Fletcher (April to September only)
> Jon Murphy (bearded sometimes, and sometimes not)
> Al Padilla (I feel your pain)
> Gary Digman (then they levied one on me)
> Arto Wikla (perhaps called "mosca")
> Doctor Oakroot (I have no idea how to shave)
> Daniel Heiman (Beard firmly in place)
> 
> Clean-shaven
> 
> Edward Martin (I do not have one)
> Bill Kilpatrick (stubbly most mornings)
> Donatella Galetti (I don't have a beard)
> Carl Donsbach (I wore a beard for a while)
> 
> Didn't say
> 
> Rainer aus dem Spring (how many female list members have a beard?)
> Paolo Declich (I can testify it)
> Stuart LeBlanc (resulting in the reduction of lute-related markets)
> 
> That means that of the 17 people who have stated whether or not they
> are bearded, 13 are bearded, and only four clean shaven. That's a
> pretty high percentage of bearded lutenists.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Stewart McCoy.
  -- 
Best wishes,

Mathias 
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FW: Beards - conclusion

[Ron Fletcher]

Mathias geschreibt

Until two years ago, I had a Gaultier-beard
and matching long hair.

Is this commonly called the 'goatee-beard'?  (Which, I had always
presumed meant like a Billy-goat).  

It would be interesting to know if the historical connection actually
came from the Gaultier brothers.

Only seventeen took part in this survey?  Does that mean that the rest
are keeping their cards close to their chest?

Could someone host a page of our thumbnail-portraits to go on the 'Who
are Lute-netter's' page?  I have lost the URL.

Best Wishes

Ron (UK)


 





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Re: Beards - conclusion

[Stephan Olbertz]

Am 19 Dec 2004 um 17:26 hat Mathias Rösel geschrieben:

> well, there certainly is a pun in the naming. I had to look up German
> spitzbart, which is that very beard I was referring to, in my
> dictionary and there it was: goatee. I suppose there wasn't much
> difference in pronounciation of goatee and Gaultier in 17th century
> English. And I have ever since assumed that special tuning was named
> in reference to the Gaultiers who had made it popular. 

This is nice!

Stephan





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Beards - Final Conclusion

[Stewart McCoy]

Dear All,

My apologies to Mathias. I missed your earlier message, because it
was marked SPAM by my server. I would like to think that the server
was particularly adept at picking up badly spelt rude words in
German :-), but unfortunately it marks many innocent Lute Net
messages as Spam. Not only do I often overlook such messages;
changing the subject title plays merry Hell with my filing system,
so a message called Beards gets filed under "S" for Spam.

I don't think Stuart Leblanc's stubble is quite enough to count as a
beard, since it sometimes lasts only for a week.

In view of these and other messages, I have updated my list with the
following additions:

Bearded

Eugene Braig IV (I am bearded)
Bruno Cognyl-Fournier (I am also bearded)
Alain Veylit (I also have a beard)

Clean Shaven

Mathias Rösel (I had a Gaultier-beard)
Stuart Leblanc (one to three weeks of stubble)
Daniel Shoskes (No beard here)

That brings the total to 16 bearded and seven clean shaven out of
the 23 people who responded. The percentage of those sporting a
beard is still remarkably high.

Best wishes,

Stewart McCoy.


- Original Message -
From: ""Mathias Rösel"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Lutelist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 11:06 PM
Subject: *** SPAM *** Re: beard


> Until some three years ago I tried to look like Denis Gaultier (on
that
> sole fab pic by what's-his-name) in terms of hair-dressing. Then,
a girl
> friend of mine said, Mathias du sieht scheisze aus so (no
translation
> available). Which changed my mind. No long hair any longer, and no
beard
> nor moustache. I still try to play Gaultier, and she says it's
better
> now.
> --
> Best,
>
> Mathias








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Beards - Final Conclusion

[Stewart McCoy]

Dear All,

My apologies to Mathias. I missed your earlier message, because it
was marked SPAM by my server. I would like to think that the server
was particularly adept at picking up badly spelt rude words in
German :-), but unfortunately it marks many innocent Lute Net
messages as Spam. Not only do I often overlook such messages;
changing the subject title plays merry Hell with my filing system,
so a message called Beards gets filed under "S" for Spam.

I don't think Stuart Leblanc's stubble is quite enough to count as a
beard, since it sometimes lasts only for a week.

In view of these and other messages, I have updated my list with the
following additions:

Bearded

Eugene Braig IV (I am bearded)
Bruno Cognyl-Fournier (I am also bearded)
Alain Veylit (I also have a beard)

Clean Shaven

Mathias Rösel (I had a Gaultier-beard)
Stuart Leblanc (one to three weeks of stubble)
Daniel Shoskes (No beard here)

That brings the total to 16 bearded and seven clean shaven out of
the 23 people who responded. The percentage of those sporting a
beard is still remarkably high.

Best wishes,

Stewart McCoy.


- Original Message -
From: ""Mathias Rösel"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Lutelist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 11:06 PM
Subject: *** SPAM *** Re: beard


> Until some three years ago I tried to look like Denis Gaultier (on
that
> sole fab pic by what's-his-name) in terms of hair-dressing. Then,
a girl
> friend of mine said, Mathias du sieht scheisze aus so (no
translation
> available). Which changed my mind. No long hair any longer, and no
beard
> nor moustache. I still try to play Gaultier, and she says it's
better
> now.
> --
> Best,
>
> Mathias








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Re: Beards - conclusion

[Roman Turovsky]

Indeed.
RT
__
Roman M. Turovsky
http://polyhymnion.org/swv

> Google found that page long ago.
> Wayne (no beard)
>> Since this list is now archived on the net and google seems to find the
>> individual posts quite rapidly, then if you don't want this message with
>> its link google searchable you should ask Wayne to remove.
>>> Dear all,
 Could someone host a page of our thumbnail-portraits to go on the
>> 'Who
 are Lute-netter's' page?  I have lost the URL.
>>> 
>>> It is "the link"
>>> 
>>> There are already some photos. And please, do not put a link to that
>>> page! The idea is that the page is public, but that the robots like
>>> Google cannot find it. At least mainly it uses links it can find in
>>> pages to which it has links - recursively... ;)
>>> 
>>> Arto



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Re: FW: Beards - conclusion

[Arto Wikla]

Dear all,

on Sun, 19 Dec 2004, Ron Fletcher wrote:

> Could someone host a page of our thumbnail-portraits to go on the 'Who
> are Lute-netter's' page?  I have lost the URL.

It is http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/LuteNetters/

There are already some photos. And please, do not put a link to that
page! The idea is that the page is public, but that the robots like
Google cannot find it. At least mainly it uses links it can find in
pages to which it has links - recursively... ;)

Arto



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Re: FW: Beards - conclusion

[Edward Martin]

Could this be how the description of the "goat's tuning" was named?   [Yhe 
goats tuning is A major or F# minor, utilizing C, F, & G sharp in 11 course 
tuning].

ed

At 03:16 PM 12/19/2004 +, Ron Fletcher wrote:
>Mathias geschreibt
>
>Until two years ago, I had a Gaultier-beard
>and matching long hair.
>
>Is this commonly called the 'goatee-beard'?  (Which, I had always
>presumed meant like a Billy-goat).
>
>It would be interesting to know if the historical connection actually
>came from the Gaultier brothers.
>
>Only seventeen took part in this survey?  Does that mean that the rest
>are keeping their cards close to their chest?
>
>Could someone host a page of our thumbnail-portraits to go on the 'Who
>are Lute-netter's' page?  I have lost the URL.
>
>Best Wishes
>
>Ron (UK)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: FW: Beards - conclusion

["Mathias Rösel"]

"Edward Martin"  schrieb:
> Could this be how the description of the "goat's tuning" was named?

well, there certainly is a pun in the naming. I had to look up German
spitzbart, which is that very beard I was referring to, in my dictionary
and there it was: goatee. I suppose there wasn't much difference in
pronounciation of goatee and Gaultier in 17th century English. And I
have ever since assumed that special tuning was named in reference to
the Gaultiers who had made it popular. It could be objected, however,
that what the Gaultiers were wearing would today rather be called a
shadow and that that beard fashion was Spanish. -- 
Best,

Mathias 
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Re: FW: Beards - conclusion

[Daniel Shoskes]

Since this list is now archived on the net and google seems to find the
individual posts quite rapidly, then if you don't want this message with
its link google searchable you should ask Wayne to remove.
>
>Dear all,
>
>on Sun, 19 Dec 2004, Ron Fletcher wrote:
>
>> Could someone host a page of our thumbnail-portraits to go on the
'Who
>> are Lute-netter's' page?  I have lost the URL.
>
>It is "the link"
>
>There are already some photos. And please, do not put a link to that
>page! The idea is that the page is public, but that the robots like
>Google cannot find it. At least mainly it uses links it can find in
>pages to which it has links - recursively... ;)
>
>Arto
>
>
>
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Re: Beards - Final Conclusion

[ariel abramovich]

Update:


> Bearded
>
> Eugene Braig IV (I am bearded)
> Bruno Cognyl-Fournier (I am also bearded)
> Alain Veylit (I also have a beard)
Ariel Abramovich (after years of effort, sort of have one)
>
> Clean Shaven
>
> Mathias Rösel (I had a Gaultier-beard)
> Stuart Leblanc (one to three weeks of stubble)
> Daniel Shoskes (No beard here)
>
> That brings the total to 16 bearded and seven clean shaven out of
> the 23 people who responded. The percentage of those sporting a
> beard is still remarkably high.
>
>



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Re: Beards - Final Conclusion

[rosinfiorini]

> 
> My apologies to Mathias. I missed your earlier message, because it
> was marked SPAM by my server. I would like to think that the server
> was particularly adept at picking up badly spelt rude words in
> German :-), but unfortunately it marks many innocent Lute Net
> messages as Spam. Not only do I often overlook such messages;
> changing the subject title plays merry Hell with my filing system...

hehe, it's Human Against the Machine--reminds me of how i never used to get the 
messages of my friends Hellen &Richard in England because the server 
automatically "judged" that it must be some kind of spam message as: "get rich 
or go to hell":)
--

Faites un voeu et puis Voila ! www.voila.fr 


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Re: FW: Beards - conclusion

[Carl Donsbach]

--On Sunday, December 19, 2004 3:16 PM + Ron Fletcher 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Mathias geschreibt
>
> Until two years ago, I had a Gaultier-beard
> and matching long hair.
>
>
> Is this commonly called the 'goatee-beard'?  (Which, I had always
> presumed meant like a Billy-goat).


Strictly speaking the goatee is a set of chin whiskers that make one look a 
little like a goat, Uncle Sam, or Jefferson Davis.  (Or in my case, like a 
high school student.)

The moustache is an optional feature which, some say, turns the thing into 
a Van Dyke - supposedly named after the painter.





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Re: FW: Beards - conclusion (fwd)

[Wayne Cripps]

Google found that page long ago.

Wayne (no beard)


> 
> Since this list is now archived on the net and google seems to find the
> individual posts quite rapidly, then if you don't want this message with
> its link google searchable you should ask Wayne to remove.
> >
> >Dear all,
> >
> >on Sun, 19 Dec 2004, Ron Fletcher wrote:
> >
> >> Could someone host a page of our thumbnail-portraits to go on the
> 'Who
> >> are Lute-netter's' page?  I have lost the URL.
> >
> >It is "the link"
> >
> >There are already some photos. And please, do not put a link to that
> >page! The idea is that the page is public, but that the robots like
> >Google cannot find it. At least mainly it uses links it can find in
> >pages to which it has links - recursively... ;)
> >
> >Arto
> >
> >
> >
> >To get on or off this list see list information at
> >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> 
> 

Beards - poetic utterances issuing therefrom

[Carl Donsbach]

There once was a man with a beard,
Who said "It is just as I feared!
Two owls and a hen
three larks and a wren
Have all built their nests in my beard!"

-Edward Lear

PS. Any viol player knows that F is God's key.


--On Monday, December 20, 2004 8:24 PM +0100 Arne Keller 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 18:39 20-12-2004 +0100, s.gliese wrote:
>> G-major
>>
>> beard
>> did God get beard
>> or did he gut it
>> could gut play bearded
>> did God play gutgoat bearded
>> or did he just gut it goated
>> or
>> did he just goat it
>> guttingly
>> getting gutgoat goatgut
>>
>> scratching
>>
>> or did God just get goatgut
>> from the arched goats
>> getting goatbearded God-gut
>>
>> got God gut
>> did God major in G
>> or did he minor in gut
>> if he had got gut enough
>>
>> bearded
>>
>> steffen
>
> Oh, gut almighty.
>
>
> Accentually,
>
> Arne.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Beards - poetic utterances issuing therefrom

[Roman Turovsky]

A believe I posted this some years ago, but its relevance hasn't been
exhausted:

A luter called Anthony Bailes
Was  good at lute CD sales.
Whenever with a client
With enormous talent
He told long-bearded tales.
RT



> 
> There once was a man with a beard,
> Who said "It is just as I feared!
> Two owls and a hen
> three larks and a wren
> Have all built their nests in my beard!"
> 
> -Edward Lear
> 
> PS. Any viol player knows that F is God's key.
> 
> 
> --On Monday, December 20, 2004 8:24 PM +0100 Arne Keller
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> At 18:39 20-12-2004 +0100, s.gliese wrote:
>>> G-major
>>> 
>>> beard
>>> did God get beard
>>> or did he gut it
>>> could gut play bearded
>>> did God play gutgoat bearded
>>> or did he just gut it goated
>>> or
>>> did he just goat it
>>> guttingly
>>> getting gutgoat goatgut
>>> 
>>> scratching
>>> 
>>> or did God just get goatgut
>>> from the arched goats
>>> getting goatbearded God-gut
>>> 
>>> got God gut
>>> did God major in G
>>> or did he minor in gut
>>> if he had got gut enough
>>> 
>>> bearded
>>> 
>>> steffen
>> 
>> Oh, gut almighty.
>> 
>> 
>> Accentually,
>> 
>> Arne.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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