Re: Willams Concert
> Francesco >Not everybody is fit to hold a buffalo-milk mozzarella >dripping whey. >RT I'm glad you think so highly of your products, Michelangelo! Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Francesco Tribioli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'LUTE-LIST'" Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 8:08 AM Subject: Re: Willams Concert > >> I have yet to open any of your cheesy products, > >> I'm not about to start now. > >> Michael Thames > >> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com > > > > Just because I like logic: how do you know they are cheesy if you have never > > opened one of them? 8^) > > > > Francesco > Not everybody is fit to hold a buffalo-milk mozzarella dripping whey. > RT > __ > Roman M. Turovsky > http://polyhymnion.org/swv > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
Re: Willams Concert
>> I have yet to open any of your cheesy products, >> I'm not about to start now. >> Michael Thames >> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com > > Just because I like logic: how do you know they are cheesy if you have never > opened one of them? 8^) > > Francesco Not everybody is fit to hold a buffalo-milk mozzarella dripping whey. RT __ Roman M. Turovsky http://polyhymnion.org/swv To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Willams Concert
my old latin teacher had a saying, " 'tis better to remain silent and thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt." ~~ robert - Original Message - From: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'LUTE-LIST'" ; "Francesco Tribioli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 8:19 AM Subject: Re: Willams Concert > >> I have no problem eating cheese, only listening to it. > >> Michael Thames > >But you listen to JWilliams, don't you? > >RT > We have a saying in the old country... " An intelligent man can > never win a debate with an idiot, the idiot will always win" so I now > concede to you, and admit JW is not a good guitarist or musician. > Michael Thames > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com > - Original Message - > From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'LUTE-LIST'" > ; "Francesco Tribioli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:58 PM > Subject: Re: Willams Concert > > > > >> I am saving your manly second-hand opinion for the >relevant section of > > > http://polyhymnion.org/swv/comments.html > > >> where it would certainly add to your well-deserved >reputation of a > > >> culturally sensitive individual. > > >> RT > > > Just a non Eurocentric kind of guy, I am. > > I hope your ostensibly European lutes don't reflect this mindset of yours. > > > > > > > > >> ps. > > >> Sorry about your chronic sinusitis. Cheeses are indeed >bad for that, > > >> especially such Armenian specialty as "string-cheese > > > > > > I have no problem eating cheese, only listening to it. > > > Michael Thames > > But you listen to JWilliams, don't you? > > RT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> I have yet to open any of your cheesy products, > > >>>>> I'm not about to start now. > > >>>>> Michael Thames > > >>>>> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com > > >>> > > >>>> Just because I like logic: how do you know they are >cheesy if you > have > > >>> never > > >>>> opened one of them? 8^) > > >>> > > >>>> Francesco > > >>> > > >>> Aside from the name that gave it away, I've asked several lutenist's, > > > whom > > >>> I respect, and admire. Their advice was to avoid "string cheese" all > > >>> together, citing health concerns. > > >>> Michael Thames > > >> I am saving your manly second-hand opinion for the relevant section of > > >> http://polyhymnion.org/swv/comments.html > > >> where it would certainly add to your well-deserved reputation of a > > >> culturally sensitive individual. > > >> RT > > >> ps. > > >> Sorry about your chronic sinusitis. Cheeses are indeed bad for that, > > >> especially such Armenian specialty as "string-cheese". > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > >
Re: Willams Concert
>> I have no problem eating cheese, only listening to it. >> Michael Thames >But you listen to JWilliams, don't you? >RT We have a saying in the old country... " An intelligent man can never win a debate with an idiot, the idiot will always win" so I now concede to you, and admit JW is not a good guitarist or musician. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'LUTE-LIST'" ; "Francesco Tribioli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:58 PM Subject: Re: Willams Concert > >> I am saving your manly second-hand opinion for the >relevant section of > > http://polyhymnion.org/swv/comments.html > >> where it would certainly add to your well-deserved >reputation of a > >> culturally sensitive individual. > >> RT > > Just a non Eurocentric kind of guy, I am. > I hope your ostensibly European lutes don't reflect this mindset of yours. > > > > >> ps. > >> Sorry about your chronic sinusitis. Cheeses are indeed >bad for that, > >> especially such Armenian specialty as "string-cheese > > > > I have no problem eating cheese, only listening to it. > > Michael Thames > But you listen to JWilliams, don't you? > RT > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> I have yet to open any of your cheesy products, > >>>>> I'm not about to start now. > >>>>> Michael Thames > >>>>> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com > >>> > >>>> Just because I like logic: how do you know they are >cheesy if you have > >>> never > >>>> opened one of them? 8^) > >>> > >>>> Francesco > >>> > >>> Aside from the name that gave it away, I've asked several lutenist's, > > whom > >>> I respect, and admire. Their advice was to avoid "string cheese" all > >>> together, citing health concerns. > >>> Michael Thames > >> I am saving your manly second-hand opinion for the relevant section of > >> http://polyhymnion.org/swv/comments.html > >> where it would certainly add to your well-deserved reputation of a > >> culturally sensitive individual. > >> RT > >> ps. > >> Sorry about your chronic sinusitis. Cheeses are indeed bad for that, > >> especially such Armenian specialty as "string-cheese". > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
Re: Willams Concert
>> I am saving your manly second-hand opinion for the >relevant section of > http://polyhymnion.org/swv/comments.html >> where it would certainly add to your well-deserved >reputation of a >> culturally sensitive individual. >> RT > Just a non Eurocentric kind of guy, I am. I hope your ostensibly European lutes don't reflect this mindset of yours. >> ps. >> Sorry about your chronic sinusitis. Cheeses are indeed >bad for that, >> especially such Armenian specialty as "string-cheese > > I have no problem eating cheese, only listening to it. > Michael Thames But you listen to JWilliams, don't you? RT > > > I have yet to open any of your cheesy products, > I'm not about to start now. > Michael Thames > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com >>> Just because I like logic: how do you know they are >cheesy if you have >>> never opened one of them? 8^) >>> Francesco >>> >>> Aside from the name that gave it away, I've asked several lutenist's, > whom >>> I respect, and admire. Their advice was to avoid "string cheese" all >>> together, citing health concerns. >>> Michael Thames >> I am saving your manly second-hand opinion for the relevant section of >> http://polyhymnion.org/swv/comments.html >> where it would certainly add to your well-deserved reputation of a >> culturally sensitive individual. >> RT >> ps. >> Sorry about your chronic sinusitis. Cheeses are indeed bad for that, >> especially such Armenian specialty as "string-cheese". >> >> >> >> >> > > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Willams Concert
>I am saving your manly second-hand opinion for the >relevant section of http://polyhymnion.org/swv/comments.html >where it would certainly add to your well-deserved >reputation of a >culturally sensitive individual. >RT Just a non Eurocentric kind of guy, I am. >ps. >Sorry about your chronic sinusitis. Cheeses are indeed >bad for that, >especially such Armenian specialty as "string-cheese I have no problem eating cheese, only listening to it. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'LUTE-LIST'" ; "Francesco Tribioli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 8:53 PM Subject: Re: Willams Concert > >>> I have yet to open any of your cheesy products, > >>> I'm not about to start now. > >>> Michael Thames > >>> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com > > > >> Just because I like logic: how do you know they are >cheesy if you have > > never > >> opened one of them? 8^) > > > >> Francesco > > > > Aside from the name that gave it away, I've asked several lutenist's, whom > > I respect, and admire. Their advice was to avoid "string cheese" all > > together, citing health concerns. > > Michael Thames > I am saving your manly second-hand opinion for the relevant section of > http://polyhymnion.org/swv/comments.html > where it would certainly add to your well-deserved reputation of a > culturally sensitive individual. > RT > ps. > Sorry about your chronic sinusitis. Cheeses are indeed bad for that, > especially such Armenian specialty as "string-cheese". > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Willams Concert
>>> I have yet to open any of your cheesy products, >>> I'm not about to start now. >>> Michael Thames >>> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com > >> Just because I like logic: how do you know they are >cheesy if you have > never >> opened one of them? 8^) > >> Francesco > > Aside from the name that gave it away, I've asked several lutenist's, whom > I respect, and admire. Their advice was to avoid "string cheese" all > together, citing health concerns. > Michael Thames I am saving your manly second-hand opinion for the relevant section of http://polyhymnion.org/swv/comments.html where it would certainly add to your well-deserved reputation of a culturally sensitive individual. RT ps. Sorry about your chronic sinusitis. Cheeses are indeed bad for that, especially such Armenian specialty as "string-cheese". To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Willams Concert
>> I have yet to open any of your cheesy products, >> I'm not about to start now. >> Michael Thames >> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com >Just because I like logic: how do you know they are >cheesy if you have never >opened one of them? 8^) >Francesco Aside from the name that gave it away, I've asked several lutenist's, whom I respect, and admire. Their advice was to avoid "string cheese" all together, citing health concerns. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "Francesco Tribioli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'LUTE-LIST'" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 3:45 AM Subject: RE: Willams Concert > > I have yet to open any of your cheesy products, > > I'm not about to start now. > > Michael Thames > > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com > > Just because I like logic: how do you know they are cheesy if you have never > opened one of them? 8^) > > Francesco > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
Re: Willams Concert
Since this has ventured into the realm of early guitar, I'm attaching the relevant address as well: At 03:03 AM 4/6/2005, you wrote: >Didn't JW also record on a period guitar? I think I have a record when he >plays concerts for guitar and orchestra on a period guitar (and also saw >this performance live). Yes, I should not have said that John Williams makes "no effort" at period performance when the truth is he makes _almost_ no effort. His recorded period-instrument output to date, as far as I'm aware, has been one half of one CD worth. I do like the tasty recording he did of Giuliani's first concerto on that CD: un-truncated, which is rare (even Williams' earlier recordings of the Giuliani were of the truncated edition). I like it very much...although I prefer Savino's on Koch. I think the arrangement of Schubert's arpeggione sonata for modern guitar and strings, also on the Williams CD, was sadly misguided. Yes, arpeggione is tuned like the modern guitar, but bowed tone color is nothing like plucked, fretted tone color. The sonorities of accompaniment and soloist were functionally reversed from their original conception in this arrangement, and I don't think it really works. It sounds somehow "mushy." In arrangements of the Schubert, I think guitar in the accompaniment role to cello (e.g., by guitarist Dimitri Illarionov) or violin (e.g., by guitarist Göran Söllscher) as soloist sounds better. Still, in general, I do like John Williams' work. Best, Eugene To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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> does the number of tones per second is similar to quality? > I always thought this could only be quantity ... curious ... > > Thomas In some parts of the world, apparently. The Post-Colonial Cultural Theory commands that such "opinions" be given equal consideration, but I, for one, refuse to do that. RT > > "ariel abramovich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> am 05.04.2005 16:30:51 > > An:"Eugene C. Braig IV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Lute net" > , "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Kopie: > > Thema: Re: Willams Concert > > > > >> >>> this list, I also favor Yasunori Imamura on de Visee. >>> Eugene >>> I suppose you haven't heard Eduardo Eg? dV.. >>> RT >> >> Yea, I highly recommend Edwardo Egez, as well. I usually put him on > when >> I have problems falling asleep! >> Kind of like counting sheep, but instead one can literally count the >> notes he plays so slow. >> > > Can do play it any faster or better? Just curious... > aa > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY : This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and > may be privileged. If you are not a named recipient, please notify the > sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to another person, use > it for any purpose or store or copy the information in any medium. > > > > >
RE: Willams Concert
> I have yet to open any of your cheesy products, > I'm not about to start now. > Michael Thames > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com Just because I like logic: how do you know they are cheesy if you have never opened one of them? 8^) Francesco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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does the number of tones per second is similar to quality?
I always thought this could only be quantity ... curious ...
Thomas
"ariel abramovich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> am 05.04.2005 16:30:51
An:"Eugene C. Braig IV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Lute net"
, "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Kopie:
Thema: Re: Willams Concert
>
>> this list, I also favor Yasunori Imamura on de Visee.
>> Eugene
>>I suppose you haven't heard Eduardo Egüez on dV..
>>RT
>
> Yea, I highly recommend Edwardo Egez, as well. I usually put him on
when
> I have problems falling asleep!
> Kind of like counting sheep, but instead one can literally count the
> notes he plays so slow.
>
Can do play it any faster or better? Just curious...
aa
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Didn't JW also record on a period guitar? I think I have a record when he plays concerts for guitar and orchestra on a period guitar (and also saw this performance live). Thomas "Eugene C. Braig IV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> am 04.04.2005 23:22:56 An:Lute net Kopie: Thema: Re: Willams Concert At 05:36 PM 4/4/2005, Roman Turovsky wrote: >I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out >what's the big deal about this dude... I don't know that this is quite the appropriate forum for this topic, but I think Williams' recordings can come off a little dry, too perfect, almost mechanical... However, he is magical in performance. His tone from stage is crisply defined and pure with excellent projection, his phrasing is logically and artfully organized, and he simply doesn't err, even when playing outrageously difficult music. He makes no more effort to appeal to the period-performance cult (of which I am an occasional, semi-zealous member) than Gould did. That's OK; old music needs advocates in the modern world too. Best, Eugene To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html CONFIDENTIALITY : This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. If you are not a named recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to another person, use it for any purpose or store or copy the information in any medium.
Re: Willams Concert
>>> this list, I also favor Yasunori Imamura on de Visee. >>> Eugene >>> I suppose you haven't heard Eduardo Eg? dV.. >>> RT >> >> Yea, I highly recommend Edwardo Egez, as well. I usually put him on when >> I have problems falling asleep! >> Kind of like counting sheep, but instead one can literally count the >> notes he plays so slow. >> > > Can do play it any faster or better? Just curious... > aa I hope his lutes are not as quickly concocted as his sentences.. RT -- http://polyhymnion.org/torban To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Willams Concert
>> I suppose you have no idea how many of these end up >drowned off the >> Nonza-IsulaRussa road in Corsica > > I've found it's usually the slow drivers that cause all the problems, you > know like driving to slow in the fast lane. > Michael Thames Slow works for me, especially in the intimate situations. In any case holding up a nether orifice in a BMW in the fast lane is sheer FUN. RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Willams Concert
>> I admit to have overdone on reverb here > http://www.polyhymnion.org/tombeau/tombeaux/tom-frob.mp3 >> though. >> RT > I have yet to open any of your cheesey products, I'm not about to > start now. > Michael Thames > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com In fact, it was produced by friend in Limburg. So it is not for individuals weaned on Velveeta. RT > > >>>>> FYI: Fomenting unrest requires intelligence. >>>>> RT >>>> And a hell of allot of reverb! >>>> Michael Thames >>>> The amount of reverb is commensurate with intelligence. >>>> RT >>> >>> I literally can't tell at times if it's the note that's sustaining , >>> or if it's reverb. With that amount of reverb Roman even you would sound >>> good. Oldest trick in the book. >>> Michael Thames >>> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com >> Daftness can reverberate briefly, but don't expect any sustain. >> >> I admit to have overdone on reverb here >> http://www.polyhymnion.org/tombeau/tombeaux/tom-frob.mp3 >> though. >> RT >> >> >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 9:02 AM >>> Subject: Re: Willams Concert >>> >>> >>>>>> FYI: Fomenting unrest requires intelligence. >>>>>> RT >>>>> And a hell of allot of reverb! >>>>> Michael Thames >>>> The amount of reverb is commensurate with intelligence. >>>> RT >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Willams Concert
>I suppose you have no idea how many of these end up >drowned off the >Nonza-IsulaRussa road in Corsica I've found it's usually the slow drivers that cause all the problems, you know like driving to slow in the fast lane. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Eugene C. Braig IV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute net" ; "ariel abramovich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 9:46 AM Subject: Re: Willams Concert > >> I suspect Thames is a Metheny fan as well. > >> I always preferred meaningful to fast, even before Pat >O'Brien told me in > >> 1987 that speed wasn't sexy. > >> Back in the old country we say: Some like watermelon, >some like watermelon > >> rind. > >> RT > > > > No, as I said before I'm not a big jazz fan. > > > > However, I would disagree SPEED is sexy! If you've ever driven a > > Porsche on the autobahn, you would know what I mean. > I suppose you have no idea how many of these end up drowned off the > Nonza-IsulaRussa road in Corsica... > > > > Cursing around in the back seat of a taxi, may cause back seat driver > > syndrome, which seems to be the problem at hand. > That is not a NYC problem. > RT > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
Re: Willams Concert
>> I suspect Thames is a Metheny fan as well. >> I always preferred meaningful to fast, even before Pat >O'Brien told me in >> 1987 that speed wasn't sexy. >> Back in the old country we say: Some like watermelon, >some like watermelon >> rind. >> RT > > No, as I said before I'm not a big jazz fan. > > However, I would disagree SPEED is sexy! If you've ever driven a > Porsche on the autobahn, you would know what I mean. I suppose you have no idea how many of these end up drowned off the Nonza-IsulaRussa road in Corsica... > Cursing around in the back seat of a taxi, may cause back seat driver > syndrome, which seems to be the problem at hand. That is not a NYC problem. RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Willams Concert
>>Back in the old country we say: Some like watermelon, >some like watermelon >>rind. >>RT Back in the really old country, we say... If a parrot keeps repeating old sayings, he winds up in a cage. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Eugene C. Braig IV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute net" ; "ariel abramovich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 8:57 AM Subject: Re: Willams Concert > >I suspect Thames is a Metheny fan as well. > >I always preferred meaningful to fast, even before Pat >O'Brien told me in > >1987 that speed wasn't sexy. > >Back in the old country we say: Some like watermelon, >some like watermelon > >rind. > >RT > > No, as I said before I'm not a big jazz fan. > > However, I would disagree SPEED is sexy! If you've ever driven a > Porsche on the autobahn, you would know what I mean. > Cursing around in the back seat of a taxi, may cause back seat driver > syndrome, which seems to be the problem at hand. > Michael Thames > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com > - Original Message - > From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Eugene C. Braig IV" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute net" ; "ariel abramovich" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 9:09 AM > Subject: Re: Willams Concert > > > > >> Can do play it any faster or better? Just curious... > > >> aa > > > One doesn't need to be able to play better, faster, than someone > > > else to comment, as we have witnessed from Roman's critique of JW. > > > Michael Thames > > > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com > > I suspect Thames is a Metheny fan as well. > > I always preferred meaningful to fast, even before Pat O'Brien told me in > > 1987 that speed wasn't sexy. > > Back in the old country we say: Some like watermelon, some like watermelon > > rind. > > RT > > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
Re: Willams Concert
>I admit to have overdone on reverb here http://www.polyhymnion.org/tombeau/tombeaux/tom-frob.mp3 >though. >RT I have yet to open any of your cheesey products, I'm not about to start now. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "LUTE-LIST" Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 9:18 AM Subject: Re: Willams Concert > >>> FYI: Fomenting unrest requires intelligence. > >>> RT > >> And a hell of allot of reverb! > >> Michael Thames > >> The amount of reverb is commensurate with intelligence. > >> RT > > > > I literally can't tell at times if it's the note that's sustaining , > > or if it's reverb. With that amount of reverb Roman even you would sound > > good. Oldest trick in the book. > > Michael Thames > > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com > Daftness can reverberate briefly, but don't expect any sustain. > > I admit to have overdone on reverb here > http://www.polyhymnion.org/tombeau/tombeaux/tom-frob.mp3 > though. > RT > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 9:02 AM > > Subject: Re: Willams Concert > > > > > >>>> FYI: Fomenting unrest requires intelligence. > >>>> RT > >>> And a hell of allot of reverb! > >>> Michael Thames > >> The amount of reverb is commensurate with intelligence. > >> RT > >> > >> > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Willams Concert
>I suspect Thames is a Metheny fan as well. >I always preferred meaningful to fast, even before Pat >O'Brien told me in >1987 that speed wasn't sexy. >Back in the old country we say: Some like watermelon, >some like watermelon >rind. >RT No, as I said before I'm not a big jazz fan. However, I would disagree SPEED is sexy! If you've ever driven a Porsche on the autobahn, you would know what I mean. Cursing around in the back seat of a taxi, may cause back seat driver syndrome, which seems to be the problem at hand. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Eugene C. Braig IV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute net" ; "ariel abramovich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 9:09 AM Subject: Re: Willams Concert > >> Can do play it any faster or better? Just curious... > >> aa > > One doesn't need to be able to play better, faster, than someone > > else to comment, as we have witnessed from Roman's critique of JW. > > Michael Thames > > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com > I suspect Thames is a Metheny fan as well. > I always preferred meaningful to fast, even before Pat O'Brien told me in > 1987 that speed wasn't sexy. > Back in the old country we say: Some like watermelon, some like watermelon > rind. > RT > > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Willams Concert
>>> FYI: Fomenting unrest requires intelligence. >>> RT >> And a hell of allot of reverb! >> Michael Thames >> The amount of reverb is commensurate with intelligence. >> RT > > I literally can't tell at times if it's the note that's sustaining , > or if it's reverb. With that amount of reverb Roman even you would sound > good. Oldest trick in the book. > Michael Thames > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com Daftness can reverberate briefly, but don't expect any sustain. I admit to have overdone on reverb here http://www.polyhymnion.org/tombeau/tombeaux/tom-frob.mp3 though. RT > Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 9:02 AM > Subject: Re: Willams Concert > > >>>> FYI: Fomenting unrest requires intelligence. >>>> RT >>> And a hell of allot of reverb! >>> Michael Thames >> The amount of reverb is commensurate with intelligence. >> RT >> >> > > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Make us an MP3, and post it somewhere (fair use: Educational) RT __ Roman M. Turovsky http://polyhymnion.org/swv >> I used "blues" figuratively. > > Actually, Williams does have a recording of "3 blues" by Charlie Byrd on a > disc called "Spirit of the Guitar" > You gotta hear it! > Mark Delpriora > Co-chair, guitar department, > Manhattan School of Music To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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> You may, indeed, have that opinion. It may be shared with others. It is > still only an opinion. > JM Like I said: Some like watermelon, some like watermelon rind. RT > > > On 4/5/05 8:28 AM, "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> I guess I just don't understand music - thank you for the councEl. >>> >>> JM >> You are welcome. >> BTW, I am not disputing that JW is a great player; undoubtedly he is. >> However he is not a musician. >> RT >> __ >> Roman M. Turovsky >> http://polyhymnion.org/swv >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> On 4/5/05 8:12 AM, "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> > You say that as though the problem were with JW and not RT > JM In fact, in general people who understand music find JW unlistenable. RT __ Roman M. Turovsky http://polyhymnion.org/swv > > > On 4/4/05 5:36 PM, "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> I here John Williams once again delivered the goods last night in San >>> Francisco. Opening with six of his own pieces, with an, on the end of >>> your seat, flawless rendition of the Chaconne. At 64 that's amazing. Two >>> sold out concerts at Herbst theater, anyone catch that one? >> I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out >> what's the big deal about this dude >> RT >> >> __ >> Roman M. Turovsky >> http://polyhymnion.org/swv >> >> >> >>> >>> PS I 'm told there wasn't a hint of sheet music to be seen. >>> Michael Thames >>> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com >>> -- >>> >>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> > > >>> >>> >> > >
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>> Can do play it any faster or better? Just curious... >> aa > One doesn't need to be able to play better, faster, than someone > else to comment, as we have witnessed from Roman's critique of JW. > Michael Thames > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com I suspect Thames is a Metheny fan as well. I always preferred meaningful to fast, even before Pat O'Brien told me in 1987 that speed wasn't sexy. Back in the old country we say: Some like watermelon, some like watermelon rind. RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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>> FYI: Fomenting unrest requires intelligence. >> RT > And a hell of allot of reverb! > Michael Thames >The amount of reverb is commensurate with intelligence. >RT I literally can't tell at times if it's the note that's sustaining , or if it's reverb. With that amount of reverb Roman even you would sound good. Oldest trick in the book. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "LUTE-LIST" Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 9:02 AM Subject: Re: Willams Concert > >> FYI: Fomenting unrest requires intelligence. > >> RT > > And a hell of allot of reverb! > > Michael Thames > The amount of reverb is commensurate with intelligence. > RT > > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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You may, indeed, have that opinion. It may be shared with others. It is still only an opinion. JM On 4/5/05 8:28 AM, "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I guess I just don't understand music - thank you for the councEl. >> >> JM > You are welcome. > BTW, I am not disputing that JW is a great player; undoubtedly he is. > However he is not a musician. > RT > __ > Roman M. Turovsky > http://polyhymnion.org/swv > > > >> >> >> On 4/5/05 8:12 AM, "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> You say that as though the problem were with JW and not RT JM >>> In fact, in general people who understand music find JW unlistenable. >>> RT >>> __ >>> Roman M. Turovsky >>> http://polyhymnion.org/swv >>> >>> >>> >>> On 4/4/05 5:36 PM, "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I here John Williams once again delivered the goods last night in San >> Francisco. Opening with six of his own pieces, with an, on the end of >> your seat, flawless rendition of the Chaconne. At 64 that's amazing. Two >> sold out concerts at Herbst theater, anyone catch that one? > I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out > what's the big deal about this dude > RT > > __ > Roman M. Turovsky > http://polyhymnion.org/swv > > > >> >> PS I 'm told there wasn't a hint of sheet music to be seen. >> Michael Thames >> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com >> -- >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > >>> >> >> >
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>> FYI: Fomenting unrest requires intelligence. >> RT > And a hell of allot of reverb! > Michael Thames The amount of reverb is commensurate with intelligence. RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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>Can do play it any faster or better? Just curious... >aa One doesn't need to be able to play better, faster, than someone else to comment, as we have witnessed from Roman's critique of JW. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "ariel abramovich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Eugene C. Braig IV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute net" ; "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 8:30 AM Subject: Re: Willams Concert > > > > > > >> this list, I also favor Yasunori Imamura on de Visee. > >> Eugene > >>I suppose you haven't heard Eduardo Egüez on dV.. > >>RT > > > > Yea, I highly recommend Edwardo Egez, as well. I usually put him on when > > I have problems falling asleep! > > Kind of like counting sheep, but instead one can literally count the > > notes he plays so slow. > > > > Can do play it any faster or better? Just curious... > aa > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
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In a message dated 04/05/05 7:04:13 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >I used "blues" figuratively. Actually, Williams does have a recording of "3 blues" by Charlie Byrd on a disc called "Spirit of the Guitar" You gotta hear it! Mark Delpriora Co-chair, guitar department, Manhattan School of Music To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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>FYI: Fomenting unrest requires intelligence. >RT And a hell of allot of reverb! Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "LUTE-LIST" Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 8:51 AM Subject: Re: Willams Concert > >> this list, I also favor Yasunori Imamura on de Visee. > >> Eugene > >> I suppose you haven't heard Eduardo Eg? dV.. > >> RT > > > > Yea, I highly recommend Edwardo Egez, as well. I usually put him on when > > I have problems falling asleep! > > Kind of like counting sheep, but instead one can literally count the > > notes he plays so slow. > > > > Michael Thames > Michael, > FYI: Fomenting unrest requires intelligence. > RT > -- > http://polyhymnion.org/torban > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
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> >> this list, I also favor Yasunori Imamura on de Visee. >> Eugene >>I suppose you haven't heard Eduardo Egüez on dV.. >>RT > > Yea, I highly recommend Edwardo Egez, as well. I usually put him on when > I have problems falling asleep! > Kind of like counting sheep, but instead one can literally count the > notes he plays so slow. > Can do play it any faster or better? Just curious... aa To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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>> this list, I also favor Yasunori Imamura on de Visee. >> Eugene >> I suppose you haven't heard Eduardo Eg? dV.. >> RT > > Yea, I highly recommend Edwardo Egez, as well. I usually put him on when > I have problems falling asleep! > Kind of like counting sheep, but instead one can literally count the > notes he plays so slow. > > Michael Thames Michael, FYI: Fomenting unrest requires intelligence. RT -- http://polyhymnion.org/torban To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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> this list, I also favor Yasunori Imamura on de Visee. > Eugene >I suppose you haven't heard Eduardo Egüez on dV.. >RT Yea, I highly recommend Edwardo Egez, as well. I usually put him on when I have problems falling asleep! Kind of like counting sheep, but instead one can literally count the notes he plays so slow. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Eugene C. Braig IV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute net" Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 8:26 AM Subject: Re: Willams Concert > >> [Williams] arrives at each coordinates on time with both hands, but just > >> doesn't get > >> the blues. > > > > > > I certainly can't argue that. That's why I enjoy Williams on Koshkin or > > Domeniconi--i.e., newish music suited to technical interpretations--but > > favor Lightnin' Hopkins, early Muddy Waters, or the ubiquitously cited > > Robert Johnson for blues. So this is a little closer to appropriate for > I used "blues" figuratively. > Lightnin' said once "Some people never get the blues, and some only get then > if they lose somebody in the family". > > > > > this list, I also favor Yasunori Imamura on de Visee. > > Eugene > I suppose you haven't heard Eduardo Egüez on dV.. > RT > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
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At 10:26 AM 4/5/2005, Roman Turovsky wrote: >I suppose you haven't heard Eduardo Egüez on dV.. I have, although my exposure is limited to a singular suite once heard on the radio. It's not on my personal shelves yet...but soon. I like it too. It struck me as being tastefully executed with a strong but fluid sense for the pulse. Eugene To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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>> [Williams] arrives at each coordinates on time with both hands, but just >> doesn't get >> the blues. > > > I certainly can't argue that. That's why I enjoy Williams on Koshkin or > Domeniconi--i.e., newish music suited to technical interpretations--but > favor Lightnin' Hopkins, early Muddy Waters, or the ubiquitously cited > Robert Johnson for blues. So this is a little closer to appropriate for I used "blues" figuratively. Lightnin' said once "Some people never get the blues, and some only get then if they lose somebody in the family". > this list, I also favor Yasunori Imamura on de Visee. > Eugene I suppose you haven't heard Eduardo Egüez on dV.. RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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At 10:05 AM 4/5/2005, Roman Turovsky wrote: >[Williams] arrives at each coordinates on time with both hands, but just >doesn't get >the blues. I certainly can't argue that. That's why I enjoy Williams on Koshkin or Domeniconi--i.e., newish music suited to technical interpretations--but favor Lightnin' Hopkins, early Muddy Waters, or the ubiquitously cited Robert Johnson for blues. So this is a little closer to appropriate for this list, I also favor Yasunori Imamura on de Visee. Eugene To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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>> In fact, in general people who understand music find JW unlistenable. > While he isn't my favorite guitarist, I occasionally do enjoy hearing John > Williams. I would rather hear him play guitar music than lute music, and > his propensity to edit out variations from compositions in that form is > slightly irritating. I still like his work. I hope to one day grow up to > understand music. Until then, I'm happy to enjoy music. > Eugene That's fine. However any music that has any depth suffers horribly in JW's hands. He arrives at each coordinates on time with both hands, but just doesn't get the blues. RT __ Roman M. Turovsky http://polyhymnion.org/swv To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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At 08:12 AM 4/5/2005, Roman Turovsky wrote: >In fact, in general people who understand music find JW unlistenable. While he isn't my favorite guitarist, I occasionally do enjoy hearing John Williams. I would rather hear him play guitar music than lute music, and his propensity to edit out variations from compositions in that form is slightly irritating. I still like his work. I hope to one day grow up to understand music. Until then, I'm happy to enjoy music. Eugene To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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> I guess I just don't understand music - thank you for the councEl. > > JM You are welcome. BTW, I am not disputing that JW is a great player; undoubtedly he is. However he is not a musician. RT __ Roman M. Turovsky http://polyhymnion.org/swv > > > On 4/5/05 8:12 AM, "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> You say that as though the problem were with JW and not RT >>> JM >> In fact, in general people who understand music find JW unlistenable. >> RT >> __ >> Roman M. Turovsky >> http://polyhymnion.org/swv >> >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> On 4/4/05 5:36 PM, "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> > I here John Williams once again delivered the goods last night in San > Francisco. Opening with six of his own pieces, with an, on the end of > your seat, flawless rendition of the Chaconne. At 64 that's amazing. Two > sold out concerts at Herbst theater, anyone catch that one? I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out what's the big deal about this dude RT __ Roman M. Turovsky http://polyhymnion.org/swv > > PS I 'm told there wasn't a hint of sheet music to be seen. > Michael Thames > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com > -- > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>> >>> >> > >
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I guess I just don't understand music - thank you for the council. JM On 4/5/05 8:12 AM, "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> You say that as though the problem were with JW and not RT >> JM > In fact, in general people who understand music find JW unlistenable. > RT > __ > Roman M. Turovsky > http://polyhymnion.org/swv > > > > >> >> >> On 4/4/05 5:36 PM, "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I here John Williams once again delivered the goods last night in San Francisco. Opening with six of his own pieces, with an, on the end of your seat, flawless rendition of the Chaconne. At 64 that's amazing. Two sold out concerts at Herbst theater, anyone catch that one? >>> I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out >>> what's the big deal about this dude >>> RT >>> >>> __ >>> Roman M. Turovsky >>> http://polyhymnion.org/swv >>> >>> >>> PS I 'm told there wasn't a hint of sheet music to be seen. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>> >>> >> >> >
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> You say that as though the problem were with JW and not RT > JM In fact, in general people who understand music find JW unlistenable. RT __ Roman M. Turovsky http://polyhymnion.org/swv > > > On 4/4/05 5:36 PM, "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> I here John Williams once again delivered the goods last night in San >>> Francisco. Opening with six of his own pieces, with an, on the end of >>> your seat, flawless rendition of the Chaconne. At 64 that's amazing. Two >>> sold out concerts at Herbst theater, anyone catch that one? >> I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out >> what's the big deal about this dude >> RT >> >> __ >> Roman M. Turovsky >> http://polyhymnion.org/swv >> >> >> >>> >>> PS I 'm told there wasn't a hint of sheet music to be seen. >>> Michael Thames >>> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com >>> -- >>> >>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> > >
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You say that as though the problem were with JW and not RT JM On 4/4/05 5:36 PM, "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I here John Williams once again delivered the goods last night in San >> Francisco. Opening with six of his own pieces, with an, on the end of >> your seat, flawless rendition of the Chaconne. At 64 that's amazing. Two >> sold out concerts at Herbst theater, anyone catch that one? > I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out > what's the big deal about this dude > RT > > __ > Roman M. Turovsky > http://polyhymnion.org/swv > > > >> >> PS I 'm told there wasn't a hint of sheet music to be seen. >> Michael Thames >> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com >> -- >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >
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>Something strange about my letter; I wrote Lorimar, yet >the forward spells >it's Lorimar. What's up? >James I don't know the same thing happened to me, did you get a scolding from Roman yet? Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 8:55 PM Subject: Re: Willams Concert > Something strange about my letter; I wrote Lorimer, yet the forward spells > it's Lorimar. What's up? > > James > > > > Lorimar is doing great work I'm sure, but Weiss, even more >than > Bach, has always seemed uncomfortable to me on the >guitar. I believe > Michael is transcribing them for six string. >Your 13 string guitar > sounds like the way to go; would you >tune it to the d minor tuning? > Keep us posted. > > >James > > Yea, I think Bach is much easier on guitar than lute, funny enough, > and Weiss is easier on lute than guitar. > I visited Lorimar, a few years ago and watch him play several Weiss > Sonatas, it seemed rather painful, coming from the perspective of a > lutenist. >Yes I would tune it to D minor, some of my ideas would be to join > the neck at the 10th fret, but have 14 frets, and tilt it as on the > baroque lute, with a kind of swan neck head, as well as perhaps, the > core of the neck as on a 19th century guitar, for light weight. Any > suggestions by you and others would be interesting. > I feel it doesn't take that long for a guitarist to adapt form six > to thirteen. It's really worth it just to play all of the Weiss and > Bach alone, and the rest of the baroque repertoire. > This has been on my mind to do for years, so maybe this year. As I > said, build it and they will come. > Michael Thames > > -- > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
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Something strange about my letter; I wrote Lorimer, yet the forward spells it's Lorimar. What's up? James > Lorimar is doing great work I'm sure, but Weiss, even more >than Bach, has always seemed uncomfortable to me on the >guitar. I believe Michael is transcribing them for six string. >Your 13 string guitar sounds like the way to go; would you >tune it to the d minor tuning? Keep us posted. >James Yea, I think Bach is much easier on guitar than lute, funny enough, and Weiss is easier on lute than guitar. I visited Lorimar, a few years ago and watch him play several Weiss Sonatas, it seemed rather painful, coming from the perspective of a lutenist. Yes I would tune it to D minor, some of my ideas would be to join the neck at the 10th fret, but have 14 frets, and tilt it as on the baroque lute, with a kind of swan neck head, as well as perhaps, the core of the neck as on a 19th century guitar, for light weight. Any suggestions by you and others would be interesting. I feel it doesn't take that long for a guitarist to adapt form six to thirteen. It's really worth it just to play all of the Weiss and Bach alone, and the rest of the baroque repertoire. This has been on my mind to do for years, so maybe this year. As I said, build it and they will come. Michael Thames -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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FYI, "Lorimar" is the name of the TV studio that produced Dallas, The Waltons, Sybil, Helter Skelter, who knows what else. You could make an argument that a complete Weiss edition for guitar bears a relation to Sybil, but that's a whole other kettle of fish. -Original Message- From: Michael Thames [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 9:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: Re: Willams Concert > Lorimar is doing great work I'm sure, but Weiss, even more >than Bach, has always seemed uncomfortable to me on the >guitar. I believe Michael is transcribing them for six string. >Your 13 string guitar sounds like the way to go; would you >tune it to the d minor tuning? Keep us posted. >James Yea, I think Bach is much easier on guitar than lute, funny enough, and Weiss is easier on lute than guitar. I visited Lorimar, a few years ago and watch him play several Weiss Sonatas, it seemed rather painful, coming from the perspective of a lutenist. Yes I would tune it to D minor, some of my ideas would be to join the neck at the 10th fret, but have 14 frets, and tilt it as on the baroque lute, with a kind of swan neck head, as well as perhaps, the core of the neck as on a 19th century guitar, for light weight. Any suggestions by you and others would be interesting. I feel it doesn't take that long for a guitarist to adapt form six to thirteen. It's really worth it just to play all of the Weiss and Bach alone, and the rest of the baroque repertoire. This has been on my mind to do for years, so maybe this year. As I said, build it and they will come. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 7:04 PM Subject: Re: Willams Concert In a message dated 4/4/2005 4:34:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My friend was just at Lorimar's a few days ago and tells me, Michael Lorimar has already transcribed 40 sonatas of Weiss, for guitar, and working on the rest. Soon to be published. Lorimer is doing great work I'm sure, but Weiss, even more than Bach, has always seemed uncomfortable to me on the guitar. I believe Michael is transcribing them for six string. Your 13 string guitar sounds like the way to go; would you tune it to the d minor tuning? Keep us posted. James -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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>Are Lorimar's transcriptions for 6 or 8 strings? >Best regards, >Marion I believe 6, but probably with the octave indications I would imagine. I'm looking forward to any additional info. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "Dr. Marion Ceruti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Alain Veylit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Lute net" Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 6:06 PM Subject: Re: Willams Concert > Michael, > > Bravo on your idea to make a 13-string guitar. We need more of > them around. > > There are at least two luthiers in Europe who have made 13-string > guitars. I will dig up the URLs and send them to you if you don't already > have them. It certainly would make Weiss easier on the guitar. Even on > an 11-string guitar, Weiss is not quite as much fun as with 13c. > > Are Lorimar's transcriptions for 6 or 8 strings? > > Best regards, > Marion > > -Original Message- > From: Michael Thames <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Apr 4, 2005 4:32 PM > To: Alain Veylit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Roman Turovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: Lute net > Subject: Re: Willams Concert > > >I really like what this guy does: >http://www.vynograd.com/ particularly > >his own stuff, as opposed to the obligado Bach pieces... >The 8-string > >guitar has some interesting parallels with the Baroque lute, >no?:) And > >there is plenty of good quality MP3s too on the site. And >technical tips > >on how to fret strings with the chin. > >Alain > > Alain, I think it's great. It reminds me, that I made an 8string > guitar just so that I could play the Weiss Passacaglia, But quickly > realized, I needed a few more strings, this lead to the lute. >I'm in the process of designing and making a 13 string guitar. With some > unusual features. I'm a purist when it comes to the lute but, at the same > time I can't watch all my guitar friends suffer the fate of Weiss on the six > string guitar anymore. > > Build it and they will come! > > My friend was just at Lorimar's a few days ago and tells me, Michael > Lorimar has already transcribed 40 sonatas of Weiss, for guitar, and working > on the rest. Soon to be published. > > Michael Thames > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com > - Original Message - > From: "Alain Veylit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute net" > > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 4:02 PM > Subject: Re: Willams Concert > > > > I really like what this guy does: http://www.vynograd.com/ particularly > > his own stuff, as opposed to the obligado Bach pieces... The 8-string > > guitar has some interesting parallels with the Baroque lute, no?:) And > > there is plenty of good quality MP3s too on the site. And technical tips > > on how to fret strings with the chin. > > Alain > > > > Roman Turovsky wrote: > > > > >>I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out > > >>what's the big deal about this dude > > >>RT > > >>He's a legend, kind of like the Who. > > >>Michael Thames > > >>www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com > > >> > > >> > > >Similarly marketed out of proportion, I suppose > > >RT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > >
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> Lorimar is doing great work I'm sure, but Weiss, even more >than Bach, has always seemed uncomfortable to me on the >guitar. I believe Michael is transcribing them for six string. >Your 13 string guitar sounds like the way to go; would you >tune it to the d minor tuning? Keep us posted. >James Yea, I think Bach is much easier on guitar than lute, funny enough, and Weiss is easier on lute than guitar. I visited Lorimar, a few years ago and watch him play several Weiss Sonatas, it seemed rather painful, coming from the perspective of a lutenist. Yes I would tune it to D minor, some of my ideas would be to join the neck at the 10th fret, but have 14 frets, and tilt it as on the baroque lute, with a kind of swan neck head, as well as perhaps, the core of the neck as on a 19th century guitar, for light weight. Any suggestions by you and others would be interesting. I feel it doesn't take that long for a guitarist to adapt form six to thirteen. It's really worth it just to play all of the Weiss and Bach alone, and the rest of the baroque repertoire. This has been on my mind to do for years, so maybe this year. As I said, build it and they will come. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 7:04 PM Subject: Re: Willams Concert In a message dated 4/4/2005 4:34:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My friend was just at Lorimar's a few days ago and tells me, Michael Lorimar has already transcribed 40 sonatas of Weiss, for guitar, and working on the rest. Soon to be published. Lorimer is doing great work I'm sure, but Weiss, even more than Bach, has always seemed uncomfortable to me on the guitar. I believe Michael is transcribing them for six string. Your 13 string guitar sounds like the way to go; would you tune it to the d minor tuning? Keep us posted. James -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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In a message dated 4/4/2005 4:34:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My friend was just at Lorimar's a few days ago and tells me, Michael Lorimar has already transcribed 40 sonatas of Weiss, for guitar, and working on the rest. Soon to be published. Lorimer is doing great work I'm sure, but Weiss, even more than Bach, has always seemed uncomfortable to me on the guitar. I believe Michael is transcribing them for six string. Your 13 string guitar sounds like the way to go; would you tune it to the d minor tuning? Keep us posted. James -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Michael, Bravo on your idea to make a 13-string guitar. We need more of them around. There are at least two luthiers in Europe who have made 13-string guitars. I will dig up the URLs and send them to you if you don't already have them. It certainly would make Weiss easier on the guitar. Even on an 11-string guitar, Weiss is not quite as much fun as with 13c. Are Lorimar's transcriptions for 6 or 8 strings? Best regards, Marion -Original Message- From: Michael Thames <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Apr 4, 2005 4:32 PM To: Alain Veylit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Roman Turovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Lute net Subject: Re: Willams Concert >I really like what this guy does: >http://www.vynograd.com/ particularly >his own stuff, as opposed to the obligado Bach pieces... >The 8-string >guitar has some interesting parallels with the Baroque lute, >no?:) And >there is plenty of good quality MP3s too on the site. And >technical tips >on how to fret strings with the chin. >Alain Alain, I think it's great. It reminds me, that I made an 8string guitar just so that I could play the Weiss Passacaglia, But quickly realized, I needed a few more strings, this lead to the lute. I'm in the process of designing and making a 13 string guitar. With some unusual features. I'm a purist when it comes to the lute but, at the same time I can't watch all my guitar friends suffer the fate of Weiss on the six string guitar anymore. Build it and they will come! My friend was just at Lorimar's a few days ago and tells me, Michael Lorimar has already transcribed 40 sonatas of Weiss, for guitar, and working on the rest. Soon to be published. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "Alain Veylit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute net" Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 4:02 PM Subject: Re: Willams Concert > I really like what this guy does: http://www.vynograd.com/ particularly > his own stuff, as opposed to the obligado Bach pieces... The 8-string > guitar has some interesting parallels with the Baroque lute, no?:) And > there is plenty of good quality MP3s too on the site. And technical tips > on how to fret strings with the chin. > Alain > > Roman Turovsky wrote: > > >>I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out > >>what's the big deal about this dude > >>RT > >>He's a legend, kind of like the Who. > >>Michael Thames > >>www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com > >> > >> > >Similarly marketed out of proportion, I suppose > >RT > > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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There are exceptions. I haven't listened to any recent recordings of Aranjuez, but I think Williams' performace with Eugene Ormandy & Philadelphia is truly great. -Original Message- From: Roman Turovsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 5:57 PM To: Eugene C. Braig IV; Lute net Subject: Re: Willams Concert > At 05:36 PM 4/4/2005, Roman Turovsky wrote: >> I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out >> what's the big deal about this dude... > > > I don't know that this is quite the appropriate forum for this topic, but I > think Williams' recordings can come off a little dry, too perfect, almost > mechanical... That's the prevailing opinion in my circle, without the modifier "almost". RT -- http://polyhymnion.org/torban To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Alain, Thanks for the web site. The eight-string guitar has become so popular now, you can buy 7th and 8th strings specially made for the instrument. I use them for the 10th and 11th strings of my 11-string guitar and they make quite a difference in sound. Best regards, Marion -Original Message- From: Alain Veylit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Apr 4, 2005 3:02 PM To: Roman Turovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Michael Thames <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Lute net Subject: Re: Willams Concert I really like what this guy does: http://www.vynograd.com/ particularly his own stuff, as opposed to the obligado Bach pieces... The 8-string guitar has some interesting parallels with the Baroque lute, no?:) And there is plenty of good quality MP3s too on the site. And technical tips on how to fret strings with the chin. Alain Roman Turovsky wrote: >>I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out >>what's the big deal about this dude >>RT >>He's a legend, kind of like the Who. >>Michael Thames >>www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com >> >> >Similarly marketed out of proportion, I suppose >RT > > > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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FYI. his name is LorimEr. RT > My friend was just at Lorimar's a few days ago and tells me, Michael > Lorimar has already transcribed 40 sonatas of Weiss, for guitar, and working > on the rest. Soon to be published. > > Michael Thames To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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I agree with everything you said. Williams is a bit dry, on his recordings, but as you've said great in concert. Dryness can be a good thing, at times. My guitars friends say if you want to here the un adulterated music listen to Williams. He also play everything a notch faster than most anyone else. The forward momentum is great. Now we know where Barto got this from. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "Eugene C. Braig IV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lute net" Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 3:22 PM Subject: Re: Willams Concert > At 05:36 PM 4/4/2005, Roman Turovsky wrote: > >I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out > >what's the big deal about this dude... > > > I don't know that this is quite the appropriate forum for this topic, but I > think Williams' recordings can come off a little dry, too perfect, almost > mechanical... However, he is magical in performance. His tone from stage > is crisply defined and pure with excellent projection, his phrasing is > logically and artfully organized, and he simply doesn't err, even when > playing outrageously difficult music. He makes no more effort to appeal to > the period-performance cult (of which I am an occasional, semi-zealous > member) than Gould did. That's OK; old music needs advocates in the modern > world too. > > Best, > Eugene > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
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>I really like what this guy does: >http://www.vynograd.com/ particularly >his own stuff, as opposed to the obligado Bach pieces... >The 8-string >guitar has some interesting parallels with the Baroque lute, >no?:) And >there is plenty of good quality MP3s too on the site. And >technical tips >on how to fret strings with the chin. >Alain Alain, I think it's great. It reminds me, that I made an 8string guitar just so that I could play the Weiss Passacaglia, But quickly realized, I needed a few more strings, this lead to the lute. I'm in the process of designing and making a 13 string guitar. With some unusual features. I'm a purist when it comes to the lute but, at the same time I can't watch all my guitar friends suffer the fate of Weiss on the six string guitar anymore. Build it and they will come! My friend was just at Lorimar's a few days ago and tells me, Michael Lorimar has already transcribed 40 sonatas of Weiss, for guitar, and working on the rest. Soon to be published. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "Alain Veylit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute net" Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 4:02 PM Subject: Re: Willams Concert > I really like what this guy does: http://www.vynograd.com/ particularly > his own stuff, as opposed to the obligado Bach pieces... The 8-string > guitar has some interesting parallels with the Baroque lute, no?:) And > there is plenty of good quality MP3s too on the site. And technical tips > on how to fret strings with the chin. > Alain > > Roman Turovsky wrote: > > >>I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out > >>what's the big deal about this dude > >>RT > >>He's a legend, kind of like the Who. > >>Michael Thames > >>www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com > >> > >> > >Similarly marketed out of proportion, I suppose > >RT > > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Similarly marketed out of proportion, I suppose RT It's called supply and demand. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute net" Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 3:45 PM Subject: Re: Willams Concert > > I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out > > what's the big deal about this dude > > RT > > He's a legend, kind of like the Who. > > Michael Thames > > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com > Similarly marketed out of proportion, I suppose > RT > > -- > http://polyhymnion.org/torban > > > > > > > > > >>> I here John Williams once again delivered the goods last night in San > >>> Francisco. Opening with six of his own pieces, with an, on the end of > >>> your seat, flawless rendition of the Chaconne. At 64 that's amazing. Two > >>> sold out concerts at Herbst theater, anyone catch that one? > >> I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out > >> what's the big deal about this dude > >> RT > >> > >> __ > >> Roman M. Turovsky > >> http://polyhymnion.org/swv > >> > >> > >> > >>> > >>> PS I 'm told there wasn't a hint of sheet music to be seen. > >>> Michael Thames > >>> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com > >>> -- > >>> > >>> To get on or off this list see list information at > >>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >> > >> > > > > > > > >
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> At 05:36 PM 4/4/2005, Roman Turovsky wrote: >> I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out >> what's the big deal about this dude... > > > I don't know that this is quite the appropriate forum for this topic, but I > think Williams' recordings can come off a little dry, too perfect, almost > mechanical... That's the prevailing opinion in my circle, without the modifier "almost". RT -- http://polyhymnion.org/torban To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Willams Concert
I really like what this guy does: http://www.vynograd.com/ particularly his own stuff, as opposed to the obligado Bach pieces... The 8-string guitar has some interesting parallels with the Baroque lute, no?:) And there is plenty of good quality MP3s too on the site. And technical tips on how to fret strings with the chin. Alain Roman Turovsky wrote: >>I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out >>what's the big deal about this dude >>RT >>He's a legend, kind of like the Who. >>Michael Thames >>www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com >> >> >Similarly marketed out of proportion, I suppose >RT > > > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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At 05:36 PM 4/4/2005, Roman Turovsky wrote: >I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out >what's the big deal about this dude... I don't know that this is quite the appropriate forum for this topic, but I think Williams' recordings can come off a little dry, too perfect, almost mechanical... However, he is magical in performance. His tone from stage is crisply defined and pure with excellent projection, his phrasing is logically and artfully organized, and he simply doesn't err, even when playing outrageously difficult music. He makes no more effort to appeal to the period-performance cult (of which I am an occasional, semi-zealous member) than Gould did. That's OK; old music needs advocates in the modern world too. Best, Eugene To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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> I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out > what's the big deal about this dude > RT > He's a legend, kind of like the Who. > Michael Thames > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com Similarly marketed out of proportion, I suppose RT -- http://polyhymnion.org/torban > > >>> I here John Williams once again delivered the goods last night in San >>> Francisco. Opening with six of his own pieces, with an, on the end of >>> your seat, flawless rendition of the Chaconne. At 64 that's amazing. Two >>> sold out concerts at Herbst theater, anyone catch that one? >> I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out >> what's the big deal about this dude >> RT >> >> __ >> Roman M. Turovsky >> http://polyhymnion.org/swv >> >> >> >>> >>> PS I 'm told there wasn't a hint of sheet music to be seen. >>> Michael Thames >>> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com >>> -- >>> >>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> > > >
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I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out what's the big deal about this dude RT He's a legend, kind of like the Who. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute net" Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 3:36 PM Subject: Re: Willams Concert > > I here John Williams once again delivered the goods last night in San > > Francisco. Opening with six of his own pieces, with an, on the end of > > your seat, flawless rendition of the Chaconne. At 64 that's amazing. Two > > sold out concerts at Herbst theater, anyone catch that one? > I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out > what's the big deal about this dude > RT > > __ > Roman M. Turovsky > http://polyhymnion.org/swv > > > > > > > PS I 'm told there wasn't a hint of sheet music to be seen. > > Michael Thames > > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com > > -- > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >
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> I here John Williams once again delivered the goods last night in San > Francisco. Opening with six of his own pieces, with an, on the end of > your seat, flawless rendition of the Chaconne. At 64 that's amazing. Two > sold out concerts at Herbst theater, anyone catch that one? I catch JW on the radio once in a while. To this day I cannot figure out what's the big deal about this dude RT __ Roman M. Turovsky http://polyhymnion.org/swv > > PS I 'm told there wasn't a hint of sheet music to be seen. > Michael Thames > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com > -- > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
