LyX Development News
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE LyX is an advanced open-source document processor running on many Unix platforms, OS/2 and on Windows NT with the Cygwin environment. It is called a "document processor" because, unlike standard word processors, LyX encourages an approach to writing based on the structure of your documents not their appearance. LyX lets you concentrate on writing, leaving the details of visual layout to the software. LyX automates formatting according to predefined rule sets, yielding consistency throughout even the most complex documents. LyX produces high quality, professional output by using LaTeX, an open-source, industrial strength typesetting engine, in the background. In September of 1999 the LyX Team decided that we could no longer successfully use the two strand development process like the Linux kernel. We are in the process of switching to a development model similar to that used by Fetchmail where we will only make small stable changes between releases and release more often. All future releases should be stable although we are currently in a transition period where some major changes have to be introduced and are likely to affect the stability in the short term. These changes include: * Use of C++ Standard Library features such as the Standard Template Library (STL), string and streams. * Establishing the foundations of GUI/system independence, * Rearrangement of the directory structure, * Use of libtool, automake and autoconf. Once the transition is over the 1.1 series should be very stable and we will then release 1.2.0. This new series will be in a state of continual advancement. Note the word "advancement" and not "development." Development will be occurring in branches of CVS and once the feature/modification has proved stable it will be merged into the main releases. A new numbering scheme for releases will be used. At present we are using a Linux kernel style odd/even development/stable numbering scheme. This will be replaced by a continuous numbering scheme where odd or even numbering is no longer significant. Prereleases will be labelled with a "pre" suffix and any fixes required between stable releases will have a "fix" suffix. Thus there are three possible file names: lyx-1.1.4.tar.gz -- stable release patch-1.1.4fix1.gz -- bug fix of the 1.1.4 stable release. lyx-1.1.5pre1.tar.gz -- potentially unstable test release The fix releases are only provided as a patch. They contain no new functionality; only fixes that have already made their way into the cvs repository. The old development strand has been put on ice and we will be backporting and improving on the changes we experimented with in that series. Thus, the developers gain a stable platform to build upon and users will get those wonderful new features sooner. In particular, the move to GUI and system independence will be a priority. Development will continue to use a CVS repository with each area of change having its own development branch. This will allow the developers to test their changes and get them stable before they are merged into the main code. Thereby, ensuring that each release should be very stable. If you are interested in a particular area of development then you will be able to checkout the appropriate development branch using CVS. If you're unable to use CVS then contact one of the developers of that branch and ask them to make a snapshot available. A list of current major branches and the developer responsible for that branch will be maintained on the LyX website. Major branches are likely to include GUI independence, Asian-language support, pdf and SGML editting. Our fourth release of the new series is lyx-1.1.4 and contains many of the significant changes listed above. This is the fourth transitional release and contains many bug fixes. It is almost as stable as the 1.0.4 release although with all the changes some new bugs have crept in. A 1.1.4fix1 has just been released. Please consider trying it out on your existing documents (if you've never used LyX before give this version a try) and contact the mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">developers list if you find any bugs. Learn more about LyX, including screen shots, the LyX Graphic Tour and a list of ftp mirror sites and mailing lists at: http://www.lyx.org/ On behalf of the LyX Team, Allan. (ARRae)
LyX development news
Great idea allan! I think it would be nice to have something every month. Can't do it more often because there are two week periods where not much gets done, but I think most months have at least something major happening. You could send it to lyx-users (lyx-announce?) as well as lwn, because I suspect regular users wouldnt' mind hearing once a month about new stuff, especially if it's the feature they were waiting for. Of course, if a new release were coming out every month, it wouldnt' be a problem, but I don't think development is quite that fast, do you? -Amir ps John: I would respond to your mail, but I'm too busy working on my thesis. Quick roundup: I've started writing although I haven't exactly got all of my data yet; we may or may not have a date; I'm only somewhat freaking out. But it's amazing how much less email I'm getting.
Re: LyX Development News
> "Allan" == Allan Rae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Allan> Maybe I should just settle on several small news items and one Allan> feature area per fortnight. So I'd feature either GUI-indep or Allan> Insets depending on which one of them gets written in time Allan> (Jürgen or Lars could you scribble a couple of paragraphs or Allan> provide a copy of an old email you think would suit). Yes, that sounds good. Allan> We still need someone to gather together the threads of Allan> discussion about mini-projects like citations (natbib, harvard Allan> etc. support), pdflatex, layout file extensions and any number Allan> of other areas so we can have a mini-project page and maybe Allan> snare us some new talent. Getting threads like in kernel traffic would be nice, of course. But that's a lot of work, and we need someone dedicated to it. JMarc
Re: LyX Development News
> "Ing" == Ing Roland Krause <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Ing> On a related note, there was some discussion about Office suites Ing> on /. the other day and of course LyX got mentioned, that is Ing> actually KLyX got mentioned and not LyX :-( From the little Ing> discussion that involved LyX the notion: "What's happening? Are Ing> you ever going to do anything? I reckon XForms sucks and you Ing> should use blah-tk instead" became again visible. And I admit Ing> having had that impression myself once in a while (before Ing> following the devel-list). Well, Allan, you could maybe try to contact the guy who does his Word processor review for /. and try to convinve him to look at LyX and not KLyX, as he intend to. It would be nice to educate him on what's going on. JMarc
Re: LyX Development News
On Thu, 24 Feb 2000, Allan Rae wrote: Hot topics in this weeks LDN: > + Kayvan and Jacek's RPMs check. > + double-space? didn't go in > + GUI-independence (dialogs, libsigc++ + XTL) hopefully reduce the > number of "What's happening? Are you ever going to do anything? > I reckon XForms sucks and you should use blah-tk instead" check. > + Insets? What's happening with the inset family (ERT, text etc.) next issue? > We still need someone to gather together the threads of discussion about > mini-projects like citations (natbib, harvard etc. support), pdflatex, > layout file extensions and any number of other areas so we can have a > mini-project page and maybe snare us some new talent. Included a call for a volunteer. + XForms-0.89 -- don't use it. ### This is now all committed to the www-users repository. LDN is in the new news subdirectory. Todays LDN is only available in that repository because I can't force the update of the web site myself. I have no idea if it will even work as I don't have php3 or a web server I can play with locally. I'll probably come back in to Uni later tonight (in about 4hrs) and attempt to clean up any mess provided someone who is able to update the web site does so or Lars lets me join the wwwusers group so I can do updates myself. Todays LDN is as complete as its going to get apart from fixes for bugs in what I wrote. Allan. (ARRae)
Re: LyX Development News
We made it into lwn. Although it now looks like I'm committed to maintaining a "LyX Development News" summary every so often. Allan. (ARRae)
Re: LyX Development News
I hope that met with everyone's approval. If not you should have spoken up sooner. I only made a minor addition to the list of things happening in the transition period and adjusted the mention of the "fix" patches. I made JMarcs patches sound more official than he did in his announcement. I've only sent it to lwn and linuxdev.net. Nearly everyone insists on a web based submission (including linuxdev.net) and that's too difficult afaic so I only sent it to one of the editors. With a bit of luck I might have beat the deadline for lwn. I guess we'll see how strong our servers are when later today the hoards come rampaging through... Allan. (ARRae)
Re: LyX Development News
>>>>> "Allan" == Allan Rae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Allan> We made it into lwn. Although it now looks like I'm committed Allan> to maintaining a "LyX Development News" summary every so often. I noticed that too. Having a regular 'news' thing would be a good thing, but I'm not sure what the periodicity should be. JMarc
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Good job, the project really needs some regular news/PR. Even if it is just one paragraph every two weeks. B.t.w. When I read through the PR, I realized that actually the new versioning scheme maps 1:1 to the old one. There isnt really any difference except that releases are more often and the release number stays lower. Say that 1.1.4 were version 1.2, development is in 1.1.5cvs, fixes go in 1.1.4fix1. which would be 1.2.1 If a cvs version becomes a release candidate it becomes 1.1.5pre1 this would be 1.3.1. Then 1.1.5 would be released from CVS becoming 1.4 and so on. There isnt really any difference in the procedure except that releases are made more often. i.e. development increments are smaller. There arent too many ways to scin a cat, they say here... Roland Allan Rae wrote: > We made it into lwn. Although it now looks like I'm committed to > maintaining a "LyX Development News" summary every so often. > > Allan. (ARRae) -- Dr.-Ing. Roland Krause Engineering Software Research and Development Inc, Saint Louis, MO voice: (314) 983 0649-12
Re: LyX Development News
> "Roland" == Ing Roland Krause <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Roland> Good job, the project really needs some regular news/PR. Even Roland> if it is just one paragraph every two weeks. Roland> B.t.w. When I read through the PR, I realized that actually Roland> the new versioning scheme maps 1:1 to the old one. There isnt Roland> really any difference except that releases are more often and Roland> the release number stays lower. Say that 1.1.4 were version Roland> 1.2, development is in 1.1.5cvs, fixes go in 1.1.4fix1. I hope I'll be able to continue the fix series without too much trouble (that is: easy fix, should absolutely be better than better). It was natural for 1.1.4, and a fix2 will probably happen soon (when the bibtex stuff is sorted out), but for say 1.1.5, if a bug needs major surgery, then I won't issue a fix version for that. I do these only because they require almost no testing time, just a bit of packaging. So that's quite different from real stable series (a lot of work is needed to maintain the 2.2 series of linux). JMarc
Re: LyX Development News
On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Dr. Ing. Roland Krause wrote: > B.t.w. When I read through the PR, I realized that actually the new versioning > scheme maps 1:1 to the old one. > There isnt really any difference except that releases are more often and the > release number stays lower. It only looks that way at present because we are in transition. Once we hit 1.2.x we will be completely in the new development plan. Every release that doesn't end in "pre" will be stable irrespective of whether there are odd or even numbers. > Say that 1.1.4 were version 1.2, development is in 1.1.5cvs, fixes go > in 1.1.4fix1. which would be 1.2.1 If a cvs version becomes a release > candidate it becomes 1.1.5pre1 this would be 1.3.1. Then 1.1.5 would > be released from CVS becoming 1.4 and so on. There isnt really any > difference in the procedure except that releases are made more often. > i.e. development increments are smaller. There arent too many ways to > scin a cat, they say here... Roland If it's labelled as 1.1.5cvs it will be released as 1.1.5. That's just a tag for the revision not the actual rcs/cvs revision number of any given file. When we decide to release 1.2 then the cvs version number will be 1.2cvs or more probably 1.2.1cvs. I can see you might be trying to do logical mapping between schemes but that gets far too confusing. Much easier to just look at the new numbers. Allan. (ARRae)
Re: LyX Development News
On 17 Feb 2000, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > >>>>> "Allan" == Allan Rae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Allan> We made it into lwn. Although it now looks like I'm committed > Allan> to maintaining a "LyX Development News" summary every so often. > > I noticed that too. Having a regular 'news' thing would be a good > thing, but I'm not sure what the periodicity should be. I was thinking about this last night and we have quite a backlog of info we can use: various improvements and even FAQs from the two lists. I also think it'd be worthwhile to keep this thread running ad infinitum with individuals posting whatever snippets from their respective subprojects they want included in LDN. That way I don't have to write everything myself and hopefully someone else might step forward to act as editor. One thing that I (or Amir since he's got nothing to do ;-) do need to do is to setup a permanent webpage for LDN on the lyx.org site. Something like: www.lyx.org/LDN/index.html www.lyx.org/LDN/latest.html www.lyx.org/LDN/2217.html latest.html should just immediately redirect to whatever is the current document. That way it'd also be considerably easier to get freshmeat etc. to publish news of LyX since they don't normally accept email news items on web-form-based submissions (then you only need type: "New LDN is out at..."). We also get to lift the project's profile somewhat. Allan. (ARRae)
Re: LyX Development News
There is a section news on the homepage. There could be a section development news directly underneath it This would do the trick along with a way simple way to post a story. SourceForge does all that stuff for you... Roland Allan Rae wrote: > On 17 Feb 2000, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > > >>>>> "Allan" == Allan Rae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Allan> We made it into lwn. Although it now looks like I'm committed > > Allan> to maintaining a "LyX Development News" summary every so often. > > > > I noticed that too. Having a regular 'news' thing would be a good > > thing, but I'm not sure what the periodicity should be. > > I was thinking about this last night and we have quite a backlog of info > we can use: various improvements and even FAQs from the two lists. I > also think it'd be worthwhile to keep this thread running ad infinitum > with individuals posting whatever snippets from their respective > subprojects they want included in LDN. That way I don't have to write > everything myself and hopefully someone else might step forward to act as > editor. > > One thing that I (or Amir since he's got nothing to do ;-) do need to do > is to setup a permanent webpage for LDN on the lyx.org site. Something > like: > www.lyx.org/LDN/index.html > www.lyx.org/LDN/latest.html > www.lyx.org/LDN/2217.html > > latest.html should just immediately redirect to whatever is the current > document. > > That way it'd also be considerably easier to get freshmeat etc. to > publish news of LyX since they don't normally accept email news items on > web-form-based submissions (then you only need type: "New LDN is out > at..."). We also get to lift the project's profile somewhat. > > Allan. (ARRae) -- Dr.-Ing. Roland Krause Engineering Software Research and Development Inc, Saint Louis, MO voice: (314) 983 0649-12
Re: LyX Development News
On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Dr. Ing. Roland Krause wrote: > There is a section news on the homepage. There could be a section > development news directly underneath it This would do the trick along > with a way simple way to post a story. SourceForge does all that stuff > for you... LDN is likely to contain a lot more editorial info rather than just short news announcements like the existing ticker-tape lyx news. Some development news items might get mentioned in the news-ticker though. Does SourceForge automatically archive monthly installments so the web page doesn't end up a mile long? Allan.
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Allan Rae wrote: > Does SourceForge automatically archive monthly installments so the web > page doesn't end up a mile long? > Allan. Dont know but I would expect so, I guess you can configure your site there quite a bit if you know how. Roland -- Dr.-Ing. Roland Krause Engineering Software Research and Development Inc, Saint Louis, MO voice: (314) 983 0649-12
Re: LyX Development News
> I also think it'd be worthwhile to keep this thread running ad infinitum > with individuals posting whatever snippets from their respective > subprojects they want included in LDN. That way I don't have to write > everything myself and hopefully someone else might step forward to act as > editor. Hot topics for next weeks LDN: + Kayvan and Jacek's RPMs + double-space? + GUI-independence (dialogs, libsigc++ + XTL) hopefully reduce the number of "What's happening? Are you ever going to do anything? I reckon XForms sucks and you should use blah-tk instead" + Insets? What's happening with the inset family (ERT, text etc.) Maybe I should just settle on several small news items and one feature area per fortnight. So I'd feature either GUI-indep or Insets depending on which one of them gets written in time (Jürgen or Lars could you scribble a couple of paragraphs or provide a copy of an old email you think would suit). We still need someone to gather together the threads of discussion about mini-projects like citations (natbib, harvard etc. support), pdflatex, layout file extensions and any number of other areas so we can have a mini-project page and maybe snare us some new talent. Allan. (ARRae)
Re: LyX Development News
On a related note, there was some discussion about Office suites on /. the other day and of course LyX got mentioned, that is actually KLyX got mentioned and not LyX :-( >From the little discussion that involved LyX the notion: "What's happening? Are you ever going to do anything? I reckon XForms sucks and you should use blah-tk instead" became again visible. And I admit having had that impression myself once in a while (before following the devel-list). Anyway the /. insident shows two things: - LyX is still a household name in the community but people look at KLyX first then drop LyX alltogether because KLyX doesnt have half the functionality of LyX. KLyX with official version number 0.10.7 for now over 2 years makes occasional visitors think the project is dead - XForms is a major obstacle in LyX popularity. I have two ideas: Could we ask Matthias Ettrich to take down the KLyX homepage and instead point to our page where in exchange for the favor a KLyX section is somewhat maintained. We actually have the KLyX section already. Should we set up a nonprofit organization and lobby for corporate sponsorship? A target would e.g. be O'Reilly. As a publisher they might have interest in the LyX program. This way, maybe a part time developer could be financed. Together we could sent Alan on a year long hacking tour :-) and then save for his liver transplant. Certain tasks could be "sourced out" to SourceXChange or CoSource. I think O'Reilly could have some major interest in sponsoring LyX in exchange we could make cls and layouts for the animal series, improve docbook support and XML. Roland On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Allan Rae wrote: > > I also think it'd be worthwhile to keep this thread running ad infinitum > > with individuals posting whatever snippets from their respective > > subprojects they want included in LDN. That way I don't have to write > > everything myself and hopefully someone else might step forward to act as > > editor. > > Hot topics for next weeks LDN: > + Kayvan and Jacek's RPMs > + double-space? > + GUI-independence (dialogs, libsigc++ + XTL) hopefully reduce the > number of "What's happening? Are you ever going to do anything? > I reckon XForms sucks and you should use blah-tk instead" > + Insets? What's happening with the inset family (ERT, text etc.) > > Maybe I should just settle on several small news items and one feature > area per fortnight. So I'd feature either GUI-indep or Insets depending > on which one of them gets written in time (Jürgen or Lars could you > scribble a couple of paragraphs or provide a copy of an old email you > think would suit). > > We still need someone to gather together the threads of discussion about > mini-projects like citations (natbib, harvard etc. support), pdflatex, > layout file extensions and any number of other areas so we can have a > mini-project page and maybe snare us some new talent. > > Allan. (ARRae)
Re: LyX development news
On Thu, Feb 17, 2000 at 11:37:14AM -0500, Amir Karger wrote: > -Amir > ps John: I would respond to your mail, but I'm too busy working on my > thesis. Quick roundup: I've started writing although I haven't exactly got > all of my data yet; we may or may not have a date; I'm only somewhat > freaking out. But it's amazing how much less email I'm getting. Oh, how so very familiar this sounds... -- John Weiss
LyX Development News 20001115
Just out: http://www.lyx.org/news/20001115.php3 Allan. (ARRae)
LyX Development News for July
The latest LDN is now available: http://www.lyx.org/news/2726.php3 No point summarizing it for you, just go and read it ;-) Allan. (ARRae)
LyX Development News for 20001220
Okay it's late and I'm sorry about that. But if you go and take a look you'll see it's HUGE and well worth the wait. http://www.lyx.org/news/20001220.php3 Allan. (ARRae)
LyX Development News for 20010117
http://www.lyx.org/news/20010117.php3 You know what to do -- go read it! Allan. (ARRae)
LyX Development News 13th Sept 2000
A bit late notice, but just in case you hadn't spotted it yet there is a "new" LDN complete with pictures from FILM and few other treats. Allan. (ARRae)
Re: LyX Development News for 20010117
Can someone try submitting the LDN URL to Linux Today, and other news services please. I just haven't time at the moment. TIA, Allan. (ARRae)
Re: LyX Development News for 20010117
On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 04:59:00PM +1000, Allan Rae wrote: > Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by ezmlm > Precedence: bulk > X-No-Archive: yes > List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Delivered-To: mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:59:00 +1000 (GMT+1000) > From: Allan Rae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > X-Sender: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: LyX Developers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: LyX Development News for 20010117 > In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Can someone try submitting the LDN URL to Linux Today, and other news > services please. I just haven't time at the moment. > > TIA, > Allan. (ARRae) Done for Linux Today. -- Martin Vermeer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Helsinki University of Technology Department of Surveying P.O. Box 1200, FIN-02015 HUT, Finland :wq
Re: LyX Development News for 20010117
On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Martin Vermeer wrote: > > Can someone try submitting the LDN URL to Linux Today, and other news > > services please. I just haven't time at the moment. > > > > TIA, > > Allan. (ARRae) > > Done for Linux Today. And I've just sent the URL to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't know where else publishes it ? john -- "Rock, like an Ian Brown explanation, is not true." - David Quantick
Re: LyX Development News for 20010117
On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, John Levon wrote: > On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Martin Vermeer wrote: > > > > Can someone try submitting the LDN URL to Linux Today, and other news > > > services please. I just haven't time at the moment. > > > > > > TIA, > > > Allan. (ARRae) > > > > Done for Linux Today. > > And I've just sent the URL to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Funny, I sent my announcement to them before you but they still used your announcement. Never mind. > I don't know where else publishes it ? Nobody does but I just wanted you to submit it to anyone who carries Linux or Open Source info. Preferably lots of people submitting to the same places so that maybe just maybe they might think "Hey, someone out there must want to read this" Thanks. Allan. (ARRae)
Re: LyX Development News for 20010117
Talking about publicity, I will be going in Feb to the AGU Infotech Committee meeting in Washington DC. Just in case, Allan, do you have (a link to) your latest overhead sheets on LyX, and could I use them? Of course there's always the Graphical Tour. But hese are pretty knowledgable people and at home with LaTeX and XML/SGML. Also I would like to know the status on AGU classes support (AGUplus). It would require user defined floats like "plate" and "planotable". I understand it is planned, but... Are we prepared to work with AGU on this? Martin -- Martin Vermeer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Helsinki University of Technology Department of Surveying P.O. Box 1200, FIN-02015 HUT, Finland :wq
Re: LyX Development News for 20010117
Martin Vermeer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Also I would like to know the status on AGU classes | support (AGUplus). It would require user defined floats | like "plate" and "planotable". I understand it is | planned, but... Are we prepared to work with AGU on | this? I have prelim. support for user definable floats in the NEW_INSETS branch. Lgb
Re: LyX Development News for 20010117
On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, Allan Rae wrote: > On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, John Levon wrote: > > > On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Martin Vermeer wrote: > > > > > > Can someone try submitting the LDN URL to Linux Today, and other news > > > > services please. I just haven't time at the moment. > > > > > > > > TIA, > > > > Allan. (ARRae) > > > > > > Done for Linux Today. > > > > And I've just sent the URL to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Funny, I sent my announcement to them before you but they still used your > announcement. Never mind. Probably they know you as LyX developer whereas I am just some LWN reader ... john -- "Now I know why you say so little in person, you mouth is in a NOP because the brain is always inserting requests at the top of the list_head." - Andre Hedrick on Alan Cox
Re: LyX Development News for 20010117
On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, Martin Vermeer wrote: > Talking about publicity, I will be going in Feb to > the AGU Infotech Committee meeting in Washington DC. > Just in case, Allan, do you have (a link to) your latest > overhead sheets on LyX, and could I use them? http://www.devel.lyx.org/~rae/ has links. I want to rework these a bit using the pdfscreen class that Dekel sent to the list but they should be okay for what you need. If not the source is included so you can edit them ;-) I'll help you if needed. > Also I would like to know the status on AGU classes > support (AGUplus). It would require user defined floats > like "plate" and "planotable". I understand it is > planned, but... Are we prepared to work with AGU on > this? To paraphrase some famous Roman senator/emporer whose name eludes me: We have a paucity of document classes. I'd like to push LyX into the conference and journal submission circuit and hopefully work with major conferences/organisations to ensure they have a LyX template available from the outset. The biggest problem with this that I found when discussing this at the CCP2000 when I was there is that every conference in a given field like Physics has its own idea of what format should be used and to make things more interesting each iteration of a given conference like CCP also uses a different format. (IEEE is so much better in this regard -- they might seem like the borg at times but at least every IEEE conference uses the exact same conference format (which LyX supports). BTW, I've been an IEEE member for 10 years now so I guess I'm one of the borg ;-) So I guess the answer to your question is "yes." Allan. (ARRae)
Re: LyX Development News 13th Sept 2000
Allan Rae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | A bit late notice, but just in case you hadn't spotted it yet there is a | "new" LDN complete with pictures from FILM and few other treats. You should add it to the news section. Lgb
