Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-05 Thread Pavel Sanda
>> the not working 'back in history' button in firefoxes is caused by having
>> "Cache-Control: no-store" in http header. could we do something about it?
>> c.f. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=427078
>
> Fixed.

great!
pavel


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-05 Thread Joost Verburg

Pavel Sanda wrote:

the not working 'back in history' button in firefoxes is caused by having
"Cache-Control: no-store" in http header. could we do something about it?

c.f. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=427078


Fixed.

Joost



Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-05 Thread Pavel Sanda
>> I've talked to Andrei, Rex etc and from a design point of view, we're 
>> ready to go live. So what else is missing before a release?
>
> Please let me know if there is still anything that needs to be done before 
> the site can go live.

the not working 'back in history' button in firefoxes is caused by having
"Cache-Control: no-store" in http header. could we do something about it?

c.f. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=427078

pavel


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Joost Verburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
>> I like the shadow, but I still prefer the old one. On yours, the
>> spacing between the letters is too wide, and I also prefer the old
>> to the upright setting.
>
> All right. The old one is back.

Thanks a lot.

JMarc


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread José Matos
On Friday 04 April 2008 18:46:56 Pavel Sanda wrote:
> >> if someone confirms that it works in i.explorer i can file bugz entry
> >> for firefox.
> >
> > It's indeed a Firefox bug. Works fine in Internet Explorer.

The same problem persists in Firefox 3 beta 5 but not in konqueror 4.0.3. :-)

> reported.
> pavel

-- 
José Abílio


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Pavel Sanda
> If that helps, it's probably something to do with the lyx skin.

no it does not.
pavel


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Pavel Sanda
>> if someone confirms that it works in i.explorer i can file bugz entry
>> for firefox.
>
> It's indeed a Firefox bug. Works fine in Internet Explorer.

reported.
pavel


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 06:05:33PM +0200, Joost Verburg wrote:
> Pavel Sanda wrote:
>> no. while it important what users think and advice, most important is what
>> developers think about it, because its after all their work which is to be
>> presented by that logo.
>> you say you are not talking about bussiness and on the other hand you 
>> propose
>> exactly the model from the bussiness world, where the consumer dictates.
>
> All new developers start as being a consumer.

Almost right.

Developers start as being an _annoyed_ consumer.

Andre'


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 05:27:01PM +0200, Joost Verburg wrote:
> Pavel Sanda wrote:
>> i guess you will have hard time to demonstrate how the current logo
>> shows bad design of software.
>
> It looks like the logo of a small hobby project.

It is a small hobby project.

>> apart from all reasoning there is also good indication from the replies
>> that developers simply *like* the logo :)
>
> The most important thing is what the users think about it, especially new 
> users.

Users?

Andre'


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Joost Verburg

Pavel Sanda wrote:

if someone confirms that it works in i.explorer i can file bugz entry
for firefox.


It's indeed a Firefox bug. Works fine in Internet Explorer.

Joost



Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread christian . ridderstrom

On Fri, 4 Apr 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote:


In Opera 9.26 I get back to the where I was...

In Firefox it doesn't work ... I have no idea why, shouldn't this be
something the browser deals with?


on another pages it works (including wikipedia), so i guessed it has something
to do with our stuff.


I don't _think_ this has much to do with our stuff though, I'd say it's a
bug in the browser.  I suggest we just leave it for now.


if someone confirms that it works in i.explorer i can file bugz entry
for firefox.


See if it makes a differen when you append

?skin=pmwiki

If that helps, it's probably something to do with the lyx skin.

/C

--
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44   http://www.md.kth.se/~chr

Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Anders Ekberg

On 2 apr 2008, at 19.09, Rex C. Eastbourne wrote:
I think those are good points, Anders. I took out the "Additional  
Software" link that I put in the sidebar, since it's linked to on  
the downloads page. As for the Mac-specific changes, maybe you or  
someone else familiar with Mac aspects can make those changes, since  
I'm not familiar with the Mac installation process.


Rex


I did some few additional changes (noted that TeX should be installed  
*first* and corrected the link to the Wiki).


/Anders


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Joost Verburg

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've talked to Andrei, Rex etc and from a design point of view, we're 
ready to go live. So what else is missing before a release?


Please let me know if there is still anything that needs to be done 
before the site can go live.


Joost



Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Joost Verburg

Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
I like the shadow, but I still prefer the old one. On yours, the spacing 
between the letters is too wide, and I also prefer the old to the upright 
setting.


All right. The old one is back.

Joost



Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Joost Verburg wrote:
> What do you think about upright block letters with shadow (see site)? Is
> that a good compromise between the current logo and a bit more
> professional look?

I like the shadow, but I still prefer the old one. On yours, the spacing 
between the letters is too wide, and I also prefer the old to the upright 
setting.

Jürgen


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Pavel Sanda
> All new developers start as being a consumer.

and the key point is, they continue to be users.
pavel


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Joost Verburg

Pavel Sanda wrote:

no. while it important what users think and advice, most important is what
developers think about it, because its after all their work which is to be
presented by that logo.

you say you are not talking about bussiness and on the other hand you propose
exactly the model from the bussiness world, where the consumer dictates.


All new developers start as being a consumer.

Joost



Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Pavel Sanda
>> I prefer the block letters. The serif letters with these colors still 
>> reminds me too much on Google.
>
> What do you think about upright block letters with shadow (see site)? Is 
> that a good compromise between the current logo and a bit more professional 
> look?

you are tough guy :))
my vote goes to our small hobby project logo.
pavel


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Pavel Sanda
>> apart from all reasoning there is also good indication from the replies
>> that developers simply *like* the logo :)
>
> The most important thing is what the users think about it, especially new 
> users.

no. while it important what users think and advice, most important is what
developers think about it, because its after all their work which is to be
presented by that logo.

you say you are not talking about bussiness and on the other hand you propose
exactly the model from the bussiness world, where the consumer dictates.

pavel


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Joost Verburg

Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
I prefer the block letters. The serif letters with these colors still reminds 
me too much on Google.


What do you think about upright block letters with shadow (see site)? Is 
that a good compromise between the current logo and a bit more 
professional look?


Joost



Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Joost Verburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
>> BTW, is the linux logo fitting your definition of professional?
>
> You mean the Linux mascot? We already have such a mascot with a
> cartoon style.

I meant that it failed to make the serious people run away :)

JMarc


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Joost Verburg wrote:
> The most important thing is what the users think about it, especially
> new users.

but in the end, the developers will decide.

Jürgen


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Joost Verburg

Pavel Sanda wrote:

i guess you will have hard time to demonstrate how the current logo
shows bad design of software.


It looks like the logo of a small hobby project.


apart from all reasoning there is also good indication from the replies
that developers simply *like* the logo :)


The most important thing is what the users think about it, especially 
new users.


Joost



Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Pavel Sanda
> In Opera 9.26 I get back to the where I was...
>
> In Firefox it doesn't work ... I have no idea why, shouldn't this be 
> something the browser deals with?

on another pages it works (including wikipedia), so i guessed it has something
to do with our stuff.

> I don't _think_ this has much to do with our stuff though, I'd say it's a 
> bug in the browser.  I suggest we just leave it for now.

if someone confirms that it works in i.explorer i can file bugz entry
for firefox.

pavel


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Joost Verburg

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The directive '(:title ... :)' _should_ modify the title. However, I 
suspect that Joost's template doesn't use the correct variables or 
something.


Fixed.

Joost



Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Pavel Sanda
> I'm not talking about businessmen.

but the word "professional" indicate to it.

> That is, stable and 
> well-designed software with proper quality assurance.

i guess you will have hard time to demonstrate how the current logo
shows bad design of software.

apart from all reasoning there is also good indication from the replies
that developers simply *like* the logo :)

pavel


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread christian . ridderstrom

On Fri, 4 Apr 2008, Joost Verburg wrote:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In practice, I guess this is a matter of making a note of what script
 you've created, and where it's located. Maintenance is annoying without
 such information.


All my scripts are located in the pmwiki cookbook.


The farm's cookbook directory?

Could you just add a list about the names of each script, not all scripts
in cookbook/ might actually be used by the 'main' wiki.

I made a section for custom scripts
http://www.lyx.org/test/wiki/index.php/Site/Configuration#toc5

/C

--
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44   http://www.md.kth.se/~chr

Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread christian . ridderstrom

On Fri, 4 Apr 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote:


On Fri, 4 Apr 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote:


btw another annoyance with both wiki's is that my browser is not
remembering the position on the page i came from. so when i hit the back
navigating button i have to seek position where i was on the page before.
is this fixable?


Could you give me a specific sequence to test, so that I can try and repeat
your problem?

I don't think I've noticed something like that before, so it might just be
your browser..?


thats possible (firefox 2.0.0.13 here).
sequence:
1. click on news
2. go to the bottom of page and choose some working link
  (e.g. the LyX ftp site. from October 4, 1999)
3. after coming to ftp push the Back button in broswer
  and your are on the top of the new page instead of bottom.


In Opera 9.26 I get back to the where I was...

In Firefox it doesn't work ... I have no idea why, shouldn't this be 
something the browser deals with?


I don't _think_ this has much to do with our stuff though, I'd say it's a 
bug in the browser.  I suggest we just leave it for now.


/Christian

--
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44   http://www.md.kth.se/~chr

Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Joost Verburg

Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:

BTW, is the linux logo fitting your definition of professional?


You mean the Linux mascot? We already have such a mascot with a cartoon 
style.


Joost



Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Joost Verburg

Pavel Sanda wrote:

your efforts to push away the logo we have now are based on reasons on which i
can't agree. nobody is doing on lyx from his profession nor i don't see any
ambition to move our target from the current one to professional businessmen.


I'm not talking about businessmen. I think our site should make it clear 
that LyX is a "professional" piece of software. That is, stable and 
well-designed software with proper quality assurance.


Joost



Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread christian . ridderstrom

On Fri, 4 Apr 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote:


- the proposed trick with (:title :) doesn't work


Eh...?


how i change the titke of Roadmap and into News and Roadmap without
renaming the whole site?


The directive '(:title ... :)' is not for the entire site, it's only for
the current wiki page.  Does that help?


ah, now i understand the confusion. i want the title not in the window 
title, but the title closely above '* View * Edit * History * Print * 
Logout' line.


Ah, now I also understand the confusion.

The directive '(:title ... :)' _should_ modify the title. However, I 
suspect that Joost's template doesn't use the correct variables or 
something.


Compare with this page (where I'm using the skin 'pmwiki'):

http://www.lyx.org/test/Test?skin=pmwiki

Joost, could you compare

http://www.lyx.org/test/pub/skins/pmwiki/pmwiki.tmpl

with

http://www.lyx.org/test/pub/skins/lyx/lyx.tmpl

to see how the default PmWiki template does it.

/Christian

--
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44   http://www.md.kth.se/~chr

Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Pavel Sanda
> On Fri, 4 Apr 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote:
>
>> btw another annoyance with both wiki's is that my browser is not 
>> remembering the position on the page i came from. so when i hit the back 
>> navigating button i have to seek position where i was on the page before. 
>> is this fixable?
>
> Could you give me a specific sequence to test, so that I can try and repeat 
> your problem?
>
> I don't think I've noticed something like that before, so it might just be 
> your browser..?

thats possible (firefox 2.0.0.13 here).
sequence:
1. click on news
2. go to the bottom of page and choose some working link
   (e.g. the LyX ftp site. from October 4, 1999)
3. after coming to ftp push the Back button in broswer
   and your are on the top of the new page instead of bottom.

can you reproduce?
pavel


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Joost Verburg

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In practice, I guess this is a matter of making a note of what script 
you've created, and where it's located. Maintenance is annoying without 
such information.


All my scripts are located in the pmwiki cookbook.

Joost



Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread christian . ridderstrom

On Fri, 4 Apr 2008, Joost Verburg wrote:


Done. News items are dynamically created based on news.inc.

Joost


Great!  Would you mind writing down somewhere roughly how it's done?

I'm using this page (although it's lagging quite a bit by now!)

http://www.lyx.org/test/wiki/index.php/Site/Configuration

In practice, I guess this is a matter of making a note of what 
script you've created, and where it's located. Maintenance is annoying 
without such information.


/Christian

--
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44   http://www.md.kth.se/~chr

Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread christian . ridderstrom

On Fri, 4 Apr 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote:

btw another annoyance with both wiki's is that my browser is not 
remembering the position on the page i came from. so when i hit the back 
navigating button i have to seek position where i was on the page 
before. is this fixable?


Could you give me a specific sequence to test, so that I can try and 
repeat your problem?


I don't think I've noticed something like that before, so it might just be 
your browser..?


/C

--
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44   http://www.md.kth.se/~chr

Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Pavel Sanda
> The cartoon letters make the whole  thing look unprofessional again.

...

> I'm open to suggestions, but please consider something else than a cartoon 
> style.

your efforts to push away the logo we have now are based on reasons on which i
can't agree. nobody is doing on lyx from his profession nor i don't see any
ambition to move our target from the current one to professional businessmen.

also i think this project profit more from nonserious and creative-like
audience than from the audience you are targeting (havent seen a single
businessman contributing with his stuff on our dev-list so far and for the
first time _seriously_ doubt this will ever happen :)

pavel


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Joost Verburg wrote:
> I'm open to suggestions, but please consider something else than a
> cartoon style.

I think the "cartoon" style is just perfect.

Jürgen


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Pavel Sanda
 - the proposed trick with (:title :) doesn't work
>>>
>>> Eh...?
>>
>> how i change the titke of Roadmap and into News and Roadmap without 
>> renaming the whole site?
>
> The directive '(:title ... :)' is not for the entire site, it's only for 
> the current wiki page.  Does that help?

ah, now i understand the confusion. i want the title not in the window title, 
but
the title closely above '* View * Edit * History * Print * Logout' line.

pavel


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread christian . ridderstrom

On Fri, 4 Apr 2008, Rex C. Eastbourne wrote:



 Why is there a H1-header at the top of most pages?


No real purpose; that's just what I copied from the old pages on 
www.lyx.org when I was converting them to wiki format.


Oh, good. Then we can just remove as we go along then.

/C

--
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44   http://www.md.kth.se/~chr

Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread christian . ridderstrom

On Fri, 4 Apr 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote:


- the proposed trick with (:title :) doesn't work


Eh...?


how i change the titke of Roadmap and into News and Roadmap without 
renaming the whole site?


The directive '(:title ... :)' is not for the entire site, it's only for 
the current wiki page.  Does that help?


/Christian

--
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44   http://www.md.kth.se/~chr

Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Joost Verburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The cartoon letters make the whole thing look unprofessional again.
> Now we finally have a more professional website, that would be a
> shame.

Could you recall what you mean by 'professional'? Webster tells me
among other things:

  (2): exhibiting a courteous, conscientious, and generally
  businesslike manner in the workplace

Is it what we want to do? Do you have the army of business
professional to fulfill this promise? 

BTW, is the linux logo fitting your definition of professional?

Now that we have a professional website, it would be a shame not to add
something that catches a bit the eye. It is good to keep impurities in
shiny designs (how do you think one gets pearls?).

JMarc


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Joost Verburg

Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:

Joost Verburg wrote:

What about using Computer Modern (see the site)?


I prefer the block letters. The serif letters with these colors still reminds 
me too much on Google.


With this font and typography it's doesn't look similar to Google in my 
opinion, more similar to the TeX logo. The cartoon letters make the 
whole thing look unprofessional again. Now we finally have a more 
professional website, that would be a shame.


I'm open to suggestions, but please consider something else than a 
cartoon style.


Joost



Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Pavel Sanda
> >> What about using Computer Modern (see the site)?
> >
> > I prefer the block letters. The serif letters with these colors still 
> > reminds 
> > me too much on Google.
> 
> What was wrong with the block letters? Not boring enough to look
> serious?

i guess we are in a new loop about logo flame from users list, with the same 
actors,
except Andre was alternated by Juergen  :))

pavel


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Rex C. Eastbourne

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Why is there a H1-header at the top of most pages?

That's not so good for different reason, better to keep with standard 
practices here. If someone explains it's purpose, I can probably come 
up with a more typical way of doing what's needed.


/Christian

No real purpose; that's just what I copied from the old pages on 
www.lyx.org when I was converting them to wiki format.


Rex



Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Jürgen Spitzmüller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Joost Verburg wrote:
>> What about using Computer Modern (see the site)?
>
> I prefer the block letters. The serif letters with these colors still reminds 
> me too much on Google.

What was wrong with the block letters? Not boring enough to look
serious?

JMarc


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Joost Verburg wrote:
> What about using Computer Modern (see the site)?

I prefer the block letters. The serif letters with these colors still reminds 
me too much on Google.

Jürgen


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Joost Verburg

Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:

I prefer this. The other one looks to googlish.


What about using Computer Modern (see the site)?

Joost



Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Joost Verburg

Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:

Great! Could the 'recent news' header by clickable and lead to news?
Or alternatively could you add a 'all news...' link at the bottom?


Done.

Joost



Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Joost Verburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Stefan Schimanski wrote:
>> Putting the News just on separate page is a very bad idea. I want to
>> go to http://www.lyx.org/ and get an overview immediately about
>> what's going on with the project. At least a three line news section
>> with just the headings, linked to the real new page, would be enough
>> IMO. People on the internet are lazy and every additional click for
>> getting updated is one too much.
>
> Done. News items are dynamically created based on news.inc.

Great! Could the 'recent news' header by clickable and lead to news?
Or alternatively could you add a 'all news...' link at the bottom?

JMarc


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Joost Verburg

Stefan Schimanski wrote:
Putting the News just on separate page is a very bad idea. I want to go 
to http://www.lyx.org/ and get an overview immediately about what's 
going on with the project. At least a three line news section with just 
the headings, linked to the real new page, would be enough IMO. People 
on the internet are lazy and every additional click for getting updated 
is one too much.


Done. News items are dynamically created based on news.inc.

Joost



Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Jürgen Spitzmüller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Pavel Sanda wrote:
>> i've suggested the current logo, but Joost didn't like it and nobody else
>> commented http://195.113.31.123/~sanda/junk/header.gif .
>
> I prefer this. The other one looks to googlish.

I also prefer the block cartoonish letters.

JMarc


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Pavel Sanda wrote:
> i've suggested the current logo, but Joost didn't like it and nobody else
> commented http://195.113.31.123/~sanda/junk/header.gif .

I prefer this. The other one looks to googlish.

Jürgen


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Pavel Sanda
>> - the proposed trick with (:title :) doesn't work
>
> Eh...?

how i change the titke of Roadmap and into News and Roadmap
without renaming the whole site?

pavel


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Pavel Sanda
> Anyway, given the size of our site, we could probably get away with just a 
> manually created 'site map'.

i think too.

btw another annoyance with both wiki's is that my browser is not remembering
the position on the page i came from. so when i hit the back navigating button
i have to seek position where i was on the page before. is this fixable?

pavel


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread christian . ridderstrom

On Wed, 2 Apr 2008, Joost Verburg wrote:


 3. Its good habit to have site map (but this has to be created at the
 end, when the structure is fixed).


The wiki can do this automatically.


It can be done manually, semi-automatically or automatically with varying 
results.


We can just create the page manually as a bullet list

* adsfa
** asdfas
** asdfasd
** asdfa
* asdfas

and so forth.

Or we can do it automatically, e.g. through

(:pagelist group=Main fmt=#titleasspaced :)

This will however sort the pages alphabetically IIRC.


A semi-automatic method would be something like this:

!! General pages...
(:pagelist group=Main $:general=yes :)

!! Development pages
(:pagelist group=Main $:development=yes :)

and so forth. This requires us to put a 'page text variable' on each page, 
where that variable is referred to by the pagelist command. See my other 
post regarding the sidebar, and using a page text variable to show more 
stuff in the sidebar when viewing a certain set of pages.


It's also possible to use page text variables to control the order in 
which the generated lists are sorted, e.g. through


(:pagelist group=Main $:development=yes order=$:development :)

See http://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/PmWiki/PageLists


Finally, we can actually control how each 'item' in the output from 
(:pagelist:) is formatted. We could probably define our own custom 
pagelist format that all we want.


Anyway, given the size of our site, we could probably get away with just a 
manually created 'site map'.


/Christian

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Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread christian . ridderstrom

On Wed, 2 Apr 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote:


Pavel Sanda wrote:

I've talked to Andrei, Rex etc and from a design point of view, we're
ready to go live. So what else is missing before a release?

Christian, would it be possible to have 'All recent changes' as we have in
wiki so one have quick review what is happening on the pages?


http://www.lyx.org/test/RecentChanges


The Site/AllRecentChanges is accessible through the wiki entry point, i.e. 
go through


http://www.lyx.org/test/wiki/index.php/Site/AllRecentChanges

/C

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Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Pavel Sanda
> Would like me to set it up through an alternative skin so that people can 
> compare them?

thats wasting of your time.
pavel


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Joost Verburg

Angus Leeming wrote:
The email addresses at I18n are obfuscated nicely. However, at least 
some of them appear to be wrong:


That's just the e-mail address which in given in the list of translators.

I prefer the hyperlinked name of the translator in I18n to the "Contact" 
of the Credits page.


The BlanketPermission page doesn't have any obfuscation.


Both fixed.

Joost



Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread christian . ridderstrom

On Thu, 3 Apr 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote:


I think the e-mail addresses aren't shown correctly though, e.g.
Enrico's address is as follows

forenr%20%20tlc%20!%20unipr%20!%20it

(see the page http://www.lyx.org/test/I18n ).

Will you look at it, or should I? (I can do it during the weekend)


this is intended, we are protecting emails before spam robots. pavel


Ok...

/C

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Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44   http://www.md.kth.se/~chr

Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Joost Verburg

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

- i experienced one annoyance, but it may be difficult to automatically
  solve it: for example go to About LyX section. you get some links to
  browse through but once you click on some, you lose the context of
  others. this was much more naturally solved in old pages, where the
  whole subsctructure uncollapses and stays uncollapsed until your were
  in that section.

This can be done in several ways. If we exclude using Javascript etc, 
here's one solution (there are more solutions):


If we add such subitems they should be clearly separated from the normal 
items. I don't think it will improve usability though, because the menu 
becomes more difficult to use.



Why is there a H1-header at the top of most pages?

That's not so good for different reason, better to keep with standard 
practices here. If someone explains it's purpose, I can probably come up 
with a more typical way of doing what's needed.


They can safely be removed.

Joost



Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread christian . ridderstrom

On Fri, 4 Apr 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote:

btw: LyX in the upper left corner is not correct typeset, it should be 
similar to TeX.


And it still needs much more contrast. It really feels lost in the grey 
background because the font is quite thin. Some shadow or so could 
help.


i've suggested the current logo, but Joost didn't like it and nobody 
else commented http://195.113.31.123/~sanda/junk/header.gif .


Oh, now I understand what you meant about installing it...

Would like me to set it up through an alternative skin so that people can 
compare them?


/C

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Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44   http://www.md.kth.se/~chr

Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread christian . ridderstrom

On Thu, 3 Apr 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote:


- i experienced one annoyance, but it may be difficult to automatically
  solve it: for example go to About LyX section. you get some links to
  browse through but once you click on some, you lose the context of
  others. this was much more naturally solved in old pages, where the
  whole subsctructure uncollapses and stays uncollapsed until your were
  in that section.  it becomes even worse once you get back, because we
  dont have different link colors for already visited pages - you get
  lost where you have (not) been.

  maybe Christian will know some wiki magic how to do?


This can be done in several ways. If we exclude using Javascript etc, 
here's one solution (there are more solutions):


For the pages that belong to some logical group, e.g. 'Development', 
define a variable through


(:development: yes:)

Then in the side bar add something like this:

* [[Development | Development]]
(:if equal "{*$:development}" "yes":)
** link-1
(:if:)

Now link-1 will only show up in the sidebar when the main page (i.e. not 
the sidebar) has defined the 'page text variable' 'development' to 'yes'.


I've tested the above on e.g. the page

http://www.lyx.org/test/RoadMap

For reference on 'page text variables', see

http://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/PmWiki/PageTextVariables


- the proposed trick with (:title :) doesn't work


Eh...?

Why is there a H1-header at the top of most pages?

That's not so good for different reason, better to keep with standard 
practices here. If someone explains it's purpose, I can probably come up 
with a more typical way of doing what's needed.


/Christian

--
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Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Pavel Sanda
> I've talked to Andrei, Rex etc and from a design point of view,
> we're ready to go live. So what else is missing before a release?
 Maybe this was discussed before:

 Putting the News just on separate page is a very bad idea. I want to
 go to http://www.lyx.org/ and get an overview immediately about what's
 going on with the project. At least a three line news section with
 just the headings, linked to the real new page, would be enough IMO.
 People on the internet are lazy and every additional click for getting
 updated is one too much.
>>> Yes, we need this thing back. And we need the old news back IMO.
>>
>> btw: LyX in the upper left corner is not correct typeset,
>> it should be similar to TeX.
>
> And it still needs much more contrast. It really feels lost in the grey 
> background because the font is quite thin. Some shadow or so could help.

i've suggested the current logo, but Joost didn't like it and nobody else
commented http://195.113.31.123/~sanda/junk/header.gif .

pavel


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Stefan Schimanski


Am 04.04.2008 um 12:41 schrieb Herbert Voss:

Jean-Marc Lasgouttes schrieb:

Stefan Schimanski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Am 01.04.2008 um 22:53 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

I've talked to Andrei, Rex etc and from a design point of view,
we're ready to go live. So what else is missing before a release?

Maybe this was discussed before:

Putting the News just on separate page is a very bad idea. I want to
go to http://www.lyx.org/ and get an overview immediately about  
what's

going on with the project. At least a three line news section with
just the headings, linked to the real new page, would be enough IMO.
People on the internet are lazy and every additional click for  
getting

updated is one too much.

Yes, we need this thing back. And we need the old news back IMO.


btw: LyX in the upper left corner is not correct typeset,
it should be similar to TeX.


And it still needs much more contrast. It really feels lost in the  
grey background because the font is quite thin. Some shadow or so  
could help.


Stefan


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Herbert Voss

Jean-Marc Lasgouttes schrieb:

Stefan Schimanski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


Am 01.04.2008 um 22:53 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

I've talked to Andrei, Rex etc and from a design point of view,
we're ready to go live. So what else is missing before a release?

Maybe this was discussed before:

Putting the News just on separate page is a very bad idea. I want to
go to http://www.lyx.org/ and get an overview immediately about what's
going on with the project. At least a three line news section with
just the headings, linked to the real new page, would be enough IMO.
People on the internet are lazy and every additional click for getting
updated is one too much.


Yes, we need this thing back. And we need the old news back IMO.


btw: LyX in the upper left corner is not correct typeset,
it should be similar to TeX.

Herbert
<>

Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Stefan Schimanski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Am 01.04.2008 um 22:53 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>> I've talked to Andrei, Rex etc and from a design point of view,
>> we're ready to go live. So what else is missing before a release?
>
> Maybe this was discussed before:
>
> Putting the News just on separate page is a very bad idea. I want to
> go to http://www.lyx.org/ and get an overview immediately about what's
> going on with the project. At least a three line news section with
> just the headings, linked to the real new page, would be enough IMO.
> People on the internet are lazy and every additional click for getting
> updated is one too much.

Yes, we need this thing back. And we need the old news back IMO.

JMarc


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Stefan Schimanski


Am 01.04.2008 um 22:53 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I've talked to Andrei, Rex etc and from a design point of view,  
we're ready to go live. So what else is missing before a release?


Maybe this was discussed before:

Putting the News just on separate page is a very bad idea. I want to  
go to http://www.lyx.org/ and get an overview immediately about what's  
going on with the project. At least a three line news section with  
just the headings, linked to the real new page, would be enough IMO.  
People on the internet are lazy and every additional click for getting  
updated is one too much.


Stefan


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Pavel Sanda
> > What happened to all the old news in at
> > http://www.lyx.org/test/News?
> 
> you mean this: http://www.lyx.org/test/RoadMap ?

erm, you mean something different, sorry.
pavel


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Pavel Sanda
> What happened to all the old news in at
> http://www.lyx.org/test/News?

you mean this: http://www.lyx.org/test/RoadMap ?

> The email addresses at I18n are obfuscated nicely. However, at least some 
> of them appear to be wrong:

the address you indicate is imho correct.

> The BlanketPermission page doesn't have any obfuscation.

yes, this needs fix.

pavel


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-04 Thread Angus Leeming

Angus Leeming wrote:

Pavel Sanda wrote:

I think we're ready to go live.


just few bits i've found during scanning the whole structure:

- what is lyx, features, get involved pages, donate contain unreadbale 
chars   (copyright sign Lars name,...)
- whats is lyx - credits links at the end will be b0rken once pages 
are official

- the picture in the begining of features is visually disturbing

- i experienced one annoyance, but it may be difficult to 
automatically solve
  it: for example go to About LyX section. you get some links to 
browse through
  but once you click on some, you lose the context of others. this was 
much
  more naturally solved in old pages, where the whole subsctructure 
uncollapses

  and stays uncollapsed until your were in that section.
  it becomes even worse once you get back, because we dont have 
different link colors

  for already visited pages - you get lost where you have (not) been.

  maybe Christian will know some wiki magic how to do?

- the proposed trick with (:title :) doesn't work

- if you dont see some reason to keep green sections in TODO i think 
it will be

  good to remove them for better overview.

- the 'Latest Changes' item is misguiding. but i'm not sure what will 
be better-

  'Trac' or  'Timeline / Browser'. another proposals?

pavel



What happened to all the old news in at
http://www.lyx.org/test/News?

The email addresses at I18n are obfuscated nicely. However, at least 
some of them appear to be wrong:


Translator: Szőke Sándor
Right Click; Copy shortcut;
Ctnl-V: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


I prefer the hyperlinked name of the translator in I18n to the "Contact" 
of the Credits page.


The BlanketPermission page doesn't have any obfuscation.

The PayPal link at Donate is still busted (invisible, actually) on IE. 
Oh, I see you've just removed it!


HTH,
Angus




Can you keep the footer information of the existing site? This stuff:

[W3C XHTML] [W3C CSS]
At least 8940277 hits on this page.
Webmaster: lyx-devel at lists dot lyx dot org
Page last updated on 2008-03-29 (year-month-day).

Angus



Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-03 Thread Angus Leeming

Pavel Sanda wrote:

I think we're ready to go live.


just few bits i've found during scanning the whole structure:

- what is lyx, features, get involved pages, donate contain unreadbale chars 
  (copyright sign Lars name,...)

- whats is lyx - credits links at the end will be b0rken once pages are official
- the picture in the begining of features is visually disturbing

- i experienced one annoyance, but it may be difficult to automatically solve
  it: for example go to About LyX section. you get some links to browse through
  but once you click on some, you lose the context of others. this was much
  more naturally solved in old pages, where the whole subsctructure uncollapses
  and stays uncollapsed until your were in that section.
  it becomes even worse once you get back, because we dont have different link 
colors
  for already visited pages - you get lost where you have (not) been.

  maybe Christian will know some wiki magic how to do?

- the proposed trick with (:title :) doesn't work

- if you dont see some reason to keep green sections in TODO i think it will be
  good to remove them for better overview.

- the 'Latest Changes' item is misguiding. but i'm not sure what will be better-
  'Trac' or  'Timeline / Browser'. another proposals?

pavel



What happened to all the old news in at
http://www.lyx.org/test/News?

The email addresses at I18n are obfuscated nicely. However, at least 
some of them appear to be wrong:


Translator: Szőke Sándor
Right Click; Copy shortcut;
Ctnl-V: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


I prefer the hyperlinked name of the translator in I18n to the "Contact" 
of the Credits page.


The BlanketPermission page doesn't have any obfuscation.

The PayPal link at Donate is still busted (invisible, actually) on IE. 
Oh, I see you've just removed it!


HTH,
Angus



Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-03 Thread Joost Verburg

Pavel Sanda wrote:

are you sure you haven't misspelled Lars name?


Argh, wrong Alt code :) Fixed.

Joost



Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-03 Thread Pavel Sanda
> Both fixed.

are you sure you haven't misspelled Lars name?

>> - the picture in the begining of features is visually disturbing
>
> You're not viewing the site in wiki mode, right? In the normal mode the 
> picture is on the right side next to the text.

aha! :)

>> - the 'Latest Changes' item is misguiding. but i'm not sure what will be 
>> better-
>>   'Trac' or  'Timeline / Browser'. another proposals?
>
> Changed to 'Repository Checkins'.

yes,thats better.

pavel


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-03 Thread Joost Verburg

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

This aside, should I make the site 'live' this weekend?


Yes.

Joost



Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-03 Thread Joost Verburg

Pavel Sanda wrote:
- what is lyx, features, get involved pages, donate contain unreadbale chars 
  (copyright sign Lars name,...)

- whats is lyx - credits links at the end will be b0rken once pages are official


Both fixed.


- the picture in the begining of features is visually disturbing


You're not viewing the site in wiki mode, right? In the normal mode the 
picture is on the right side next to the text.



  it becomes even worse once you get back, because we dont have different link 
colors
  for already visited pages - you get lost where you have (not) been.


The links now get a different color.


- the proposed trick with (:title :) doesn't work


The page title is based on the URL. If the URL is wrong it can be renamed.


- if you dont see some reason to keep green sections in TODO i think it will be
  good to remove them for better overview.


Fine with me.


- the 'Latest Changes' item is misguiding. but i'm not sure what will be better-
  'Trac' or  'Timeline / Browser'. another proposals?


Changed to 'Repository Checkins'.

Joost



Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-03 Thread Joost Verburg

Joost Verburg wrote:
I'll add a Javascript method for e-mail obfuscation so we don't need 
these weird addresses anymore.


Done.

Joost



Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-03 Thread Joost Verburg

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I think the e-mail addresses aren't shown correctly though, e.g.
Enrico's address is as follows

forenr%20%20tlc%20!%20unipr%20!%20it

(see the page http://www.lyx.org/test/I18n ).


It's identical to the current i18n page. Looks like a method for spam 
protection that a little too difficult to understand.


I'll add a Javascript method for e-mail obfuscation so we don't need 
these weird addresses anymore.


Joost



Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-03 Thread Pavel Sanda
> I think the e-mail addresses aren't shown correctly though, e.g.
> Enrico's address is as follows
>
>   forenr%20%20tlc%20!%20unipr%20!%20it
>
> (see the page http://www.lyx.org/test/I18n ).
>
> Will you look at it, or should I? (I can do it during the weekend)

this is intended, we are protecting emails before spam robots.
pavel


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-03 Thread Pavel Sanda
>I think we're ready to go live.

just few bits i've found during scanning the whole structure:

- what is lyx, features, get involved pages, donate contain unreadbale chars 
  (copyright sign Lars name,...)
- whats is lyx - credits links at the end will be b0rken once pages are official
- the picture in the begining of features is visually disturbing

- i experienced one annoyance, but it may be difficult to automatically solve
  it: for example go to About LyX section. you get some links to browse through
  but once you click on some, you lose the context of others. this was much
  more naturally solved in old pages, where the whole subsctructure uncollapses
  and stays uncollapsed until your were in that section.
  it becomes even worse once you get back, because we dont have different link 
colors
  for already visited pages - you get lost where you have (not) been.

  maybe Christian will know some wiki magic how to do?

- the proposed trick with (:title :) doesn't work

- if you dont see some reason to keep green sections in TODO i think it will be
  good to remove them for better overview.

- the 'Latest Changes' item is misguiding. but i'm not sure what will be better-
  'Trac' or  'Timeline / Browser'. another proposals?

pavel


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-03 Thread christian . ridderstrom

On Thu, 3 Apr 2008, Joost Verburg wrote:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I've talked to Andrei, Rex etc and from a design point of view, we're
 ready to go live. So what else is missing before a release?


I've added the PHP scripts for the dynamic content (i18n, credits, 
blanket-permission). I think we're ready to go live.


Thanks for taking care of that!

I think the e-mail addresses aren't shown correctly though, e.g.
Enrico's address is as follows

forenr%20%20tlc%20!%20unipr%20!%20it

(see the page http://www.lyx.org/test/I18n ).

Will you look at it, or should I? (I can do it during the weekend)


This aside, should I make the site 'live' this weekend?

/Christian

--
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44   http://www.md.kth.se/~chr

Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-03 Thread Joost Verburg

Angus Leeming wrote:

Incidentally, the w3c validator thinks your HTML is invalid...
http://validator.w3.org/


Fixed.

Joost



Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-03 Thread Joost Verburg

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've talked to Andrei, Rex etc and from a design point of view, we're 
ready to go live. So what else is missing before a release?


I've added the PHP scripts for the dynamic content (i18n, credits, 
blanket-permission). I think we're ready to go live.


Joost



Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-03 Thread Angus Leeming

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've talked to Andrei, Rex etc and from a design point of view, we're 
ready to go live. So what else is missing before a release?


It's looking very nice, but I notice when playing with the different 
skins at http://www.lyx.org/test/Download that LyX Downloads 
isn't visible at all in the default lyx skin. It is in all the other 
skins...


Of course, I'm not sure that's a bad thing, given that you also have 
download, but it seems strange to swallow 
 elements.


Incidentally, the w3c validator thinks your HTML is invalid...
http://validator.w3.org/

It likes the CSS better...
http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/

Angus



Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-03 Thread Anders Ekberg


On 2 apr 2008, at 19.09, Rex C. Eastbourne wrote:

Anders Ekberg wrote:

On 1 apr 2008, at 22.53, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've talked to Andrei, Rex etc and from a design point of view,  
we're ready to go live. So what else is missing before a release?


I've modified

   http://www.lyx.org/test/NewWebsiteDevelopment

(btw, it's easier to work with the wiki version, i.e.

   http://www.lyx.org/test/wiki/index.php/Main.NewWebsiteDevelopment

Anyway, I've used the toc to and restructured it... we can simply  
colour code the issues that we feel must be done before a release.  
Please have a look, so far I haven't really added any.


I've also put my name down for some of the issues that I'll look at.

/Christian
--
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44   http://www.md.kth.se/~chr


Regarding the Download section, I think it is a bit too complex in  
the current state. Normally this is very a new user heads and it  
should IMHO contain short and to-the-point instructions on how to  
get LyX up and running.
Based on this I think that the Download page should state under Mac  
OSX that a TeX installation is needed (preferably with a link to  
MacTeX).
If the similar is made for Windows and Linux the Software  
requirements section (which is currently very vague) is redundant.

Further Subversion access should be moved to the Development page

This gives a quick list of what needs to be installed to get LyX  
with "batteries included" for a newcomer.
As for the Additional software page I believe this can be moved  
into the wiki (or should that be named the wiki-wiki now ;-) since  
these are more advanced items that you need some more understanding  
of LyX to be able to use. Also the current info is a bit  
misleading. For example ImageMagick tools is listed as "required",  
but if a Mac user installs MacTeX they don't need to worry. Also  
Aspell is listed as "required" whereas in reality it is not.


Finally: A big thank you to all involved for all the efforts with  
the new site. It looks great!


/Anders
I think those are good points, Anders. I took out the "Additional  
Software" link that I put in the sidebar, since it's linked to on  
the downloads page. As for the Mac-specific changes, maybe you or  
someone else familiar with Mac aspects can make those changes, since  
I'm not familiar with the Mac installation process.


Rex



I guess I will need a password for that. Could someone send me that or  
change the text to something like:


To run LyX on Mac OS X you will need to install TeX. MacTeX [http://www.tug.org/mactex/ 
] contains everything you need.


Then install LyX for Mac OS X which is available here: 1.5.4- 
Universal. [http://lyx.cybermirror.org/bin/1.5.4/LyX-1.5.4-Mac-Universal.dmg 
]
Make sure that you run the LyX-installer provided in the disk image.  
See theLyX/Mac wiki page for further installation tips. [http://wiki.lyx.org/Mac/Mac 
]



Note that the wiki-link was outdated.
Bennett, is this OK?

/Anders




Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-02 Thread Pavel Sanda
> We can contact the authors and ask them to maintain a page on the official 
> website, but I don't think that needs to happen before the new site goes 
> live.

its up to you. i was just proposing to add it into resources page.

> What exactly do you mean? Do you want all the pages that are linked from 
> 'Development' to be in the main menu?

not all, but these i find useful to have as one click job:
- news & roadmap (will merge it as one page)
- bugzilla
- i18n status
- pointer to svn sources

>I don't agree with that. 

if you dont agree that all pages should be in sidebar theres no conflict 
between us.

if you dont agree that any of them shouldn't be listed, then sent your 
rationale why.
my rationale is, that i often use it, thus i assume there is good chance other 
devs
use it too and its handy to make the page comfortable also for the devs :)

>We're also 
> not including all links from 'About LyX' or 'Visual Tour'.

i also see it has been removed the section with link about versioning scheme of
lyx from download section. (it was moved into devel section.)
this is completely wrong and should be listed in download pages.
we have already moved all download sections in the begining, so newbies won't
be confused too much. i'll move it back.

also binaries were moved _under_ win/mac/linux sections. this has been already
discussed in some month ago on dev list and the result was the sources should be
on top. personally i dont have strong opinion about it, so i'll let it on what
others think.

pavel


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-02 Thread Rex C. Eastbourne

Anders Ekberg wrote:

On 1 apr 2008, at 22.53, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've talked to Andrei, Rex etc and from a design point of view, we're 
ready to go live. So what else is missing before a release?


I've modified

http://www.lyx.org/test/NewWebsiteDevelopment

(btw, it's easier to work with the wiki version, i.e.

http://www.lyx.org/test/wiki/index.php/Main.NewWebsiteDevelopment

Anyway, I've used the toc to and restructured it... we can simply 
colour code the issues that we feel must be done before a release. 
Please have a look, so far I haven't really added any.


I've also put my name down for some of the issues that I'll look at.

/Christian
--
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44   
http://www.md.kth.se/~chr


Regarding the Download section, I think it is a bit too complex in the 
current state. Normally this is very a new user heads and it should 
IMHO contain short and to-the-point instructions on how to get LyX up 
and running.
Based on this I think that the Download page should state under Mac 
OSX that a TeX installation is needed (preferably with a link to MacTeX).
If the similar is made for Windows and Linux the Software requirements 
section (which is currently very vague) is redundant.

Further Subversion access should be moved to the Development page

This gives a quick list of what needs to be installed to get LyX with 
"batteries included" for a newcomer.
As for the Additional software page I believe this can be moved into 
the wiki (or should that be named the wiki-wiki now ;-) since these 
are more advanced items that you need some more understanding of LyX 
to be able to use. Also the current info is a bit misleading. For 
example ImageMagick tools is listed as "required", but if a Mac user 
installs MacTeX they don't need to worry. Also Aspell is listed as 
"required" whereas in reality it is not.


Finally: A big thank you to all involved for all the efforts with the 
new site. It looks great!


/Anders
I think those are good points, Anders. I took out the "Additional 
Software" link that I put in the sidebar, since it's linked to on the 
downloads page. As for the Mac-specific changes, maybe you or someone 
else familiar with Mac aspects can make those changes, since I'm not 
familiar with the Mac installation process.


Rex


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-02 Thread Joost Verburg

Pavel Sanda wrote:

cjk - http://secreport.com/default.aspx (its maybe just page fort downloading 
cjk port,
i'm really not able to translate it myself ;)
maintained by Masanori Iwami.

hebrew - http://hebrew.lyx.googlepages.com/home
maintained by Ran Rutenberg


We can contact the authors and ask them to maintain a page on the 
official website, but I don't think that needs to happen before the new 
site goes live.



2.
- i'm missing the developers corner in sidebar

I've just improved that section.


no, the sections of devel are hidden. i will do it myself.


What exactly do you mean? Do you want all the pages that are linked from 
'Development' to be in the main menu? I don't agree with that. We're 
also not including all links from 'About LyX' or 'Visual Tour'.


Joost



Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-02 Thread Pavel Sanda
>> - i would like to have some complete list of links in one place, i.e.
>> this page http://www.lyx.org/internet/. Also - two nonenglish sites should
>> be added - CJK and Hebrew (both are pretty contemporary ones)
>
> Where did you find these sites? Do we have people to maintain them? All I 

both are hidden in a clever way in the current lyx pages 
( http://www.lyx.org/about/i18n.php , http://www.lyx.org/download/contrib.php 
). 

> can find is an external unofficial site that contains just a single page.

cjk - http://secreport.com/default.aspx (its maybe just page fort downloading 
cjk port,
i'm really not able to translate it myself ;)
maintained by Masanori Iwami.

hebrew - http://hebrew.lyx.googlepages.com/home
maintained by Ran Rutenberg

>> 2.
>> - i'm missing the developers corner in sidebar
>
> I've just improved that section.

no, the sections of devel are hidden. i will do it myself.

>> 3.
>> Its good habit to have site map (but this has to be created at the end, 
>> when the structure is fixed).
>
> The wiki can do this automatically.

great.

pavel


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-02 Thread Joost Verburg

Pavel Sanda wrote:

1.
- i would like to have some complete list of links in one place, i.e.
this page http://www.lyx.org/internet/. Also - two nonenglish sites should
be added - CJK and Hebrew (both are pretty contemporary ones)


Where did you find these sites? Do we have people to maintain them? All 
I can find is an external unofficial site that contains just a single page.



2.
- i'm missing the developers corner in sidebar


I've just improved that section.


3.
Its good habit to have site map (but this has to be created at the end, when 
the structure is fixed).


The wiki can do this automatically.

Joost



Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-02 Thread Anders Ekberg

On 1 apr 2008, at 22.53, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've talked to Andrei, Rex etc and from a design point of view,  
we're ready to go live. So what else is missing before a release?


I've modified

http://www.lyx.org/test/NewWebsiteDevelopment

(btw, it's easier to work with the wiki version, i.e.

http://www.lyx.org/test/wiki/index.php/Main.NewWebsiteDevelopment

Anyway, I've used the toc to and restructured it... we can simply  
colour code the issues that we feel must be done before a release.  
Please have a look, so far I haven't really added any.


I've also put my name down for some of the issues that I'll look at.

/Christian
--
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44   http://www.md.kth.se/~chr


Regarding the Download section, I think it is a bit too complex in the  
current state. Normally this is very a new user heads and it should  
IMHO contain short and to-the-point instructions on how to get LyX up  
and running.
Based on this I think that the Download page should state under Mac  
OSX that a TeX installation is needed (preferably with a link to  
MacTeX).
If the similar is made for Windows and Linux the Software requirements  
section (which is currently very vague) is redundant.

Further Subversion access should be moved to the Development page

This gives a quick list of what needs to be installed to get LyX with  
"batteries included" for a newcomer.
As for the Additional software page I believe this can be moved into  
the wiki (or should that be named the wiki-wiki now ;-) since these  
are more advanced items that you need some more understanding of LyX  
to be able to use. Also the current info is a bit misleading. For  
example ImageMagick tools is listed as "required", but if a Mac user  
installs MacTeX they don't need to worry. Also Aspell is listed as  
"required" whereas in reality it is not.


Finally: A big thank you to all involved for all the efforts with the  
new site. It looks great!


/Anders

Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-01 Thread Rex C. Eastbourne

Joost Verburg wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've talked to Andrei, Rex etc and from a design point of view, we're 
ready to go live. So what else is missing before a release?


When the dynamic content is ready we can go live. Of course we'll 
still continue to improve the content when the site is on-line, but 
what we have right now is so much better that I see no reasons to wait.


Joost


Agreed!

Rex


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-01 Thread Pavel Sanda
>> I've talked to Andrei, Rex etc and from a design point of view, we're 
>> ready to go live. So what else is missing before a release?
>
> When the dynamic content is ready we can go live. Of course we'll still 
> continue to improve the content when the site is on-line, but what we have 
> right now is so much better that I see no reasons to wait.


1.
- i would like to have some complete list of links in one place, i.e.
this page http://www.lyx.org/internet/. Also - two nonenglish sites should
be added - CJK and Hebrew (both are pretty contemporary ones).


2.
- i'm missing the developers corner in sidebar
i don't like the current solution, because:
 - "Links for Developers" section is visually lost under ToC and the naming
does not describe the aim correctly.
 - i have an impression we have 'Development' under 'Contribute' just because 
   we don't know where to put Donate section (maybe support?).
 - there are links i'm regularly using, and probably i'm not alone.
   why not to have it on sidebar?

My proposition would be something like:
* Development
 * Main page
 * Road Map + added current development news page (http://www.lyx.org/news/)
 * i18n status genrated page
 * How to use svn
  (about these below i dont have strong opinion, maybe just links from Main 
page)
 * Translation
 * Stuff read
 * Mirroring


3.
Its good habit to have site map (but this has to be created at the end, when 
the structure is fixed).

pavel


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-01 Thread Pavel Sanda
> Pavel Sanda wrote:
>>> I've talked to Andrei, Rex etc and from a design point of view, we're 
>>> ready to go live. So what else is missing before a release?
>> Christian, would it be possible to have 'All recent changes' as we have in
>> wiki so one have quick review what is happening on the pages?
>
> http://www.lyx.org/test/RecentChanges

thanks
pavel


Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-01 Thread Joost Verburg

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've talked to Andrei, Rex etc and from a design point of view, we're 
ready to go live. So what else is missing before a release?


When the dynamic content is ready we can go live. Of course we'll still 
continue to improve the content when the site is on-line, but what we 
have right now is so much better that I see no reasons to wait.


Joost



Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-01 Thread Joost Verburg

Pavel Sanda wrote:
I've talked to Andrei, Rex etc and from a design point of view, we're ready 
to go live. So what else is missing before a release?


Christian, would it be possible to have 'All recent changes' as we have in
wiki so one have quick review what is happening on the pages?


http://www.lyx.org/test/RecentChanges

Joost



Re: LyX site - left to do?

2008-04-01 Thread Pavel Sanda
> I've talked to Andrei, Rex etc and from a design point of view, we're ready 
> to go live. So what else is missing before a release?

Christian, would it be possible to have 'All recent changes' as we have in
wiki so one have quick review what is happening on the pages?

pavel