Re: [Figure embedding] An easy way to share lyx documents

[Niko Schwarz]

On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Etienne lepercq e.gu...@gmail.com wrote:


 [self-contained lyx-files]
 I think this feature should be at least re-discussed.


I for one have had large troubles when asking people to cooperate with me,
because I had to give them precise instructions how to set up lyx. The image
relative path thing I could solve by making lyx find the pictures using
relative paths and otherwise sharing the folder using dropbox, so i didn't
need to tar/untar anything. What was REALLY difficult was the .module I had
written for the document. It cannot be accessed by a relative path; it needs
to be inserted directly into the lyx tree. On OSX, I have to redo the module
installation procedure on every update.

I would like to point to how pages treats its documents. Pages documents are
identified with directories, which contain the required images, texts and
properties. No zipping into one archive is done. OSX then makes the
directory look like a file (called a package) in finder.

I think, sharing lyx documents would would be simplified  by providing
self-contained bundles that can be shipped around.

Niko

Change default unit for column width

[A B]

Hi.
Is it possible to change the default unit for column width from inch
to mm (or something else?)

Re: [Figure embedding] An easy way to share lyx documents

[Rainer M Krug]

Just my two cents worth:

1) I like the lyx format as it is BECAUSE it is not compressed, so I
would definitely not change the default format.

2) I like the idea of an export format, which effectively compresses
all files necessary into a single file. This is very nice for
archiving final documents (lets call it .lyxa for lyx Archive).

3) .lyxa should represent a directory tree, in which subfolders hold
pictures, bibtex, ... files.

4) .lyxa should be usable directly, i.e. the .lyx document should be
modified during export to contain only a) relative paths which b) only
are in subdirectories of the location of .lyx

5) .lyxa should contain information of the original location of the
foles on the system where it was created, to be able to update the
files not in the subdirectory.

6) One should be able to open a .lyxa file (which would modify the
files in the .lyxa but not the original location information (from 5))
or imported (showing the differences of the files in the .lyxa and the
original files and update the files when confirmed from the ones in
the .lyxa)

In this way, the .lyxa could be used as a colaborative tool (original
author exports, sends .lyxa to other authors, they open it, save it,
send it back, oroginal author imports it and confirms the files which
should be overwritten) and as an archive tool of finalised documents.

Cheers,

Rainer



On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Niko Schwarz
niko.schw...@googlemail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Etienne lepercq e.gu...@gmail.com wrote:


 [self-contained lyx-files]
 I think this feature should be at least re-discussed.


 I for one have had large troubles when asking people to cooperate with me,
 because I had to give them precise instructions how to set up lyx. The image
 relative path thing I could solve by making lyx find the pictures using
 relative paths and otherwise sharing the folder using dropbox, so i didn't
 need to tar/untar anything. What was REALLY difficult was the .module I had
 written for the document. It cannot be accessed by a relative path; it needs
 to be inserted directly into the lyx tree. On OSX, I have to redo the module
 installation procedure on every update.

 I would like to point to how pages treats its documents. Pages documents are
 identified with directories, which contain the required images, texts and
 properties. No zipping into one archive is done. OSX then makes the
 directory look like a file (called a package) in finder.

 I think, sharing lyx documents would would be simplified  by providing
 self-contained bundles that can be shipped around.

 Niko




-- 
Rainer M. Krug, Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology,
Stellenbosch University, South Africa

[announce] LyX web available in Spanish

[Ignacio García]

Hello LyXers!

From now on, most of the LyX web pages is translated into Spanish.

If you want you can have a look at

 http://www.lyx.org/WebEs.Home

or clicking on the Spanish flag on top.

Suggestions or error corrections will always be welcome here. Thanks!

Best regards
Ignacio García

Re: Change default unit for column width

[Doug Laidlaw]

On Friday 17 April 2009 4:53:12 pm A B wrote:
 Hi.
 Is it possible to change the default unit for column width from inch
 to mm (or something else?)

You don't say what OS.  I am running Mandriva Linux in Australia, which is 
metric.  My paper is A4 and my measurements (all defaults at the moment) are 
shown in cm.  You may have whatever is the default for your computer.  Under 
Windows, it is Regional Settings.

HTH,

Doug.

Re: [Figure embedding] An easy way to share lyx documents

[A B]

First I wish to come clean with one thing: I'd like to see LyX being
used by the ms word people in the industry, so my take is: do not
trust files someone send to you (see earlier discussions on
collaboration)

 1) I like the lyx format as it is BECAUSE it is not compressed, so I
 would definitely not change the default format.

Yes, that is very nice. Easy to generate lyx files from scripts, etc.
Very nice and worth saving.

 2) I like the idea of an export format, which effectively compresses
 all files necessary into a single file. This is very nice for
 archiving final documents (lets call it .lyxa for lyx Archive).

lyxa sounds like a nice idea, and there seems to allready be code for this.
There are two things though. lyxa should, as I see it, keep everything
in one place, all original paths will be removed, and it will be
everything in one directory or possible one subdirectory for images,
one for lyx files, one for bibtex stuff, one for  and so on, as
suggested. But basically everything in one place. Reason? If you need
lyxa format, you are either archiving it for backup or sending it to
someone. The recipient are never going to have the same directory
structure as you. That will only mean failure to try to achieve. The
easier way is to just loose the exact location if you are going for a
lyxa  file.
The only time I can see that the exact location is important is when
the images are changed and you don't want to update them manually in
the lyxa file, but hey, then you are probably not receiving new lyxa
versions back in collaboration with someone, so just keep your
original structure and generate a new lyxa file if you need to send it
to someone.
I hope I've managed to make my point clear about that keeping the
exact structure in a lyxa format is futile.


 5) .lyxa should contain information of the original location of the
 foles on the system where it was created, to be able to update the
 files not in the subdirectory.
I say no. You do not want to trust someone on this, either sending
your paths or receiving paths from someone else. If you trust your
coworkers, set up subversion, use the same account, make it world
readable... etc.


 6) One should be able to open a .lyxa file (which would modify the
 files in the .lyxa but not the original location information (from 5))
 or imported (showing the differences of the files in the .lyxa and the
 original files and update the files when confirmed from the ones in
 the .lyxa)

 In this way, the .lyxa could be used as a colaborative tool (original
 author exports, sends .lyxa to other authors, they open it, save it,
 send it back, oroginal author imports it and confirms the files which
 should be overwritten) and as an archive tool of finalised documents.

As I said no to replacing existing files with files from a lyxa file,
I say no to that, but I say yes to colaboration.
I don't want to start another flamewar about collaboration, but from
my viewpoint, don't trust your enemies lyxa files, add a diff this
new lyxa file against this lyxa file that I have currently open and
display differences so I can accept or reject them-button :-)
This will work also when you are working with total trust.

If someone includes an eps file that generates fractals and overload
your cpu, well that is kind of hard to detect  and I guess you'll have
to live with it.

IMHO:
The lyxa format is what Lyx misses, if you have to send more than one
file to send text and image, you are alienating 99% of the population.
Then comes the question... should .lyx be available as a file format
or an internal hidden format and  everything is saved in lyxa format?
But that can probably be decided in the future.

Re: Change default unit for column width

[A B]

I use Linux.

2009/4/17 Doug Laidlaw laidl...@hotkey.net.au:
 On Friday 17 April 2009 4:53:12 pm A B wrote:
 Hi.
 Is it possible to change the default unit for column width from inch
 to mm (or something else?)

 You don't say what OS.  I am running Mandriva Linux in Australia, which is
 metric.  My paper is A4 and my measurements (all defaults at the moment) are
 shown in cm.  You may have whatever is the default for your computer.  Under
 Windows, it is Regional Settings.

 HTH,

 Doug.

Re: Change default unit for column width

[Doug Laidlaw]

What is your locale set at?  My /etc/sysconfig/i18n has the line 

LC_MEASUREMENT=en_AU.UTF-8

You should be able to set your locale with administrative tools, or with KDE.

If you are in the States, and want to keep inches for everything else, I don't 
know what you could do.  You may need to compile Lyx (or Latex) specially.

Doug.

On Friday 17 April 2009 5:27:09 pm A B wrote:
 I use Linux.

 2009/4/17 Doug Laidlaw laidl...@hotkey.net.au:
  On Friday 17 April 2009 4:53:12 pm A B wrote:
  Hi.
  Is it possible to change the default unit for column width from inch
  to mm (or something else?)
 
  You don't say what OS.  I am running Mandriva Linux in Australia, which
  is metric.  My paper is A4 and my measurements (all defaults at the
  moment) are shown in cm.  You may have whatever is the default for your
  computer.  Under Windows, it is Regional Settings.
 
  HTH,
 
  Doug.

Re: [Figure embedding] An easy way to share lyx documents

[Rainer M Krug]

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 9:26 AM, A B gentosa...@gmail.com wrote:
 First I wish to come clean with one thing: I'd like to see LyX being
 used by the ms word people in the industry, so my take is: do not
 trust files someone send to you (see earlier discussions on
 collaboration)

 1) I like the lyx format as it is BECAUSE it is not compressed, so I
 would definitely not change the default format.

 Yes, that is very nice. Easy to generate lyx files from scripts, etc.
 Very nice and worth saving.

Exactly.


 2) I like the idea of an export format, which effectively compresses
 all files necessary into a single file. This is very nice for
 archiving final documents (lets call it .lyxa for lyx Archive).

 lyxa sounds like a nice idea, and there seems to allready be code for this.
 There are two things though. lyxa should, as I see it, keep everything
 in one place, all original paths will be removed, and it will be
 everything in one directory or possible one subdirectory for images,
 one for lyx files, one for bibtex stuff, one for  and so on, as
 suggested. But basically everything in one place. Reason? If you need
 lyxa format, you are either archiving it for backup or sending it to
 someone. The recipient are never going to have the same directory
 structure as you. That will only mean failure to try to achieve. The
 easier way is to just loose the exact location if you are going for a
 lyxa  file.
 The only time I can see that the exact location is important is when
 the images are changed and you don't want to update them manually in
 the lyxa file, but hey, then you are probably not receiving new lyxa
 versions back in collaboration with someone, so just keep your
 original structure and generate a new lyxa file if you need to send it
 to someone.
 I hope I've managed to make my point clear about that keeping the
 exact structure in a lyxa format is futile.


 5) .lyxa should contain information of the original location of the
 foles on the system where it was created, to be able to update the
 files not in the subdirectory.
 I say no. You do not want to trust someone on this, either sending
 your paths or receiving paths from someone else. If you trust your
 coworkers, set up subversion, use the same account, make it world
 readable... etc.


 6) One should be able to open a .lyxa file (which would modify the
 files in the .lyxa but not the original location information (from 5))
 or imported (showing the differences of the files in the .lyxa and the
 original files and update the files when confirmed from the ones in
 the .lyxa)

 In this way, the .lyxa could be used as a colaborative tool (original
 author exports, sends .lyxa to other authors, they open it, save it,
 send it back, oroginal author imports it and confirms the files which
 should be overwritten) and as an archive tool of finalised documents.

 As I said no to replacing existing files with files from a lyxa file,
 I say no to that, but I say yes to colaboration.
 I don't want to start another flamewar about collaboration, but from
 my viewpoint, don't trust your enemies lyxa files, add a diff this
 new lyxa file against this lyxa file that I have currently open and
 display differences so I can accept or reject them-button :-)
 This will work also when you are working with total trust.

I probably did not make myself clear: I definitely do NOT want that it
is automatically replacing the original files, only AFTER
confirmation, which could be done after showing the differences.


 If someone includes an eps file that generates fractals and overload
 your cpu, well that is kind of hard to detect  and I guess you'll have
 to live with it.

 IMHO:
 The lyxa format is what Lyx misses, if you have to send more than one

agreed.

 file to send text and image, you are alienating 99% of the population.
 Then comes the question... should .lyx be available as a file format
 or an internal hidden format and  everything is saved in lyxa format?
 But that can probably be decided in the future.


Just one idea to make the conversion easier: what about offering the
option of creating the file structure automatically, when a graph or
bibtex is inserted? Under Linux, this could be done via links, under
Windows probably as well (.lnk files?)? i.e. when I include a file
outside the ./graphs directory, a link to the original location is
created?

Rainer

-- 
Rainer M. Krug, Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology,
Stellenbosch University, South Africa

Re: Change default unit for column width

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

A B gentosa...@gmail.com writes:

 Hi.
 Is it possible to change the default unit for column width from inch
 to mm (or something else?)

The default width is cm if you use a 'metric' paper size and inch if you
use a paper size from weird countries, like usletter or legal.

JMarc

Re: Change default unit for column width

[Doug Laidlaw]

On Friday 17 April 2009 6:27:37 pm Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
 A B gentosa...@gmail.com writes:
  Hi.
  Is it possible to change the default unit for column width from inch
  to mm (or something else?)

 The default width is cm if you use a 'metric' paper size and inch if you
 use a paper size from weird countries, like usletter or legal.

 JMarc

You've got more courage than I have.  I see that the Universities in the U.S. 
use A4 for convention papers, etc. that need to be exchanged with 
universities in the real - oops, ISO world.  Ideally, those users need both.

I thhought that you might be saying that if I choose US letter, I will get 
inches.  It didn't happen -at least, not without exiting the program, which I 
didn't try.

Doug.

Re: [Figure embedding] An easy way to share lyx documents

[Andrew Sullivan]

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 09:26:26AM +0200, A B wrote:

 suggested. But basically everything in one place. Reason? If you need
 lyxa format, you are either archiving it for backup or sending it to
 someone. The recipient are never going to have the same directory
 structure as you. That will only mean failure to try to achieve. The
 easier way is to just loose the exact location if you are going for a
 lyxa  file.

You have this problem anyway, because LyX depends on LaTeX and all the
various LaTeX packages people have installed.  It's really quite a bit
more complicated than a Word or OOo installation.  I've no idea what
to do about this short of limiting the power of LyX by shipping its
own LaTeX with standard extensions.

A

-- 
Andrew Sullivan
a...@shinkuro.com
Shinkuro, Inc.

Re: [Figure embedding] An easy way to share lyx documents

[Niko Schwarz]

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com wrote:

 1) I like the lyx format as it is BECAUSE it is not compressed, so I
 would definitely not change the default format.


Ok, maybe I didn't make myself clear: you can have self-contained archives
with no compression at all on OSX. It works like this: you make a directory
and in that directory you dump a special file that tells finder to display
the directory as a package.

But from the command line, it is still a directory. And in finder, you can
look into the package by choosing Show Package Contents from the pop up
menu.

Now Pages files for example come as such packages, you can copy that
directory around, send it through email (yea, email clients handle it
surprisingly well), and it still works.

Now, other operating systems see a directory and not a package. People using
something other than OSX would have to be reminded to copy the directory
around the .lyx file around, which would be managed by lyx.

The file would still be accessible, no performance penalty, but complete
send-aroundability, and while it might feel a little alien on other OS's, on
OSX it's the standard way to do such things, so OSX users will cheer.

cheers,

niko

Re: Change default unit for column width

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Doug Laidlaw laidl...@hotkey.net.au writes:
 You've got more courage than I have.  I see that the Universities in the U.S. 
 use A4 for convention papers, etc. that need to be exchanged with 
 universities in the real - oops, ISO world.  Ideally, those users need both.

We had to choose something, actually. But the current solution will
probably be replaced by a Metric/Imperial toggle pref.

 I thhought that you might be saying that if I choose US letter, I will get 
 inches.  It didn't happen -at least, not without exiting the program, which I 
 didn't try.

Actually I was wrong. It depends on the default paper size that one
selects in Preferences.

JMarc

Re: [announce] LyX web available in Spanish

[Marcelo Acuña]

 Hello LyXers!
 
 From now on, most of the LyX web pages is translated into
 Spanish.
 
 If you want you can have a look at
 
  http://www.lyx.org/WebEs.Home
 
 or clicking on the Spanish flag on top.
 
 Suggestions or error corrections will always be welcome
 here. Thanks!
 
 Best regards
 Ignacio García

 ¡Qué buena noticia! ¡Me alegro muchísimo!
  Saludos
Marcelo


  Yahoo! Cocina
Recetas prácticas y comida saludable
http://ar.mujer.yahoo.com/cocina/

Re: Change default unit for column width

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
  You've got more courage than I have.  I see that the Universities in the
  U.S. use A4 for convention papers, etc. that need to be exchanged with
  universities in the real - oops, ISO world.  Ideally, those users need
  both.

 We had to choose something, actually. But the current solution will
 probably be replaced by a Metric/Imperial toggle pref.

Aren't there some locale settings we can use?

Jürgen

Re: Change default unit for column width

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org writes:

 Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
  You've got more courage than I have.  I see that the Universities in the
  U.S. use A4 for convention papers, etc. that need to be exchanged with
  universities in the real - oops, ISO world.  Ideally, those users need
  both.

 We had to choose something, actually. But the current solution will
 probably be replaced by a Metric/Imperial toggle pref.

 Aren't there some locale settings we can use?

There is LC_PAPER and LC_MEASUREMENT, but I do not know how to use them.

Also, since Qt 4.4, QLocale has a measurementSystem() method. We could
maybe use that when available.

JMarc

Citation order wrong in table

[rettie]

Hello everyone! I am in the situation where I have a table of previous work 
(articles) with numerical references, as below:

| Author [ref]| Year | Description |

However, the citations are ordered as they are in the subsequent text, not in 
the table, even through the table comes first, which makes it look like:

| Author [3]| Year | Description |
| Author [1]| Year | Description |
| Author [2]| Year | Description |

Text about [1]
Text about [2]
Text about [3]

Is there anyway to number the references according to the order they are in the 
table? I am using natbib with the sortcompress option. Thanks in advance!

Alex
-- 
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Page numbers and the book class

[Hesham Kamel]

Hi,
Please, I am using the book more fonts class.
Everything is fine, except I am using the* \pagestyle{empty}*
to suppress printing the header.
However, this also causes printing the page number *ONLY* for the first page
on each chapter.
*Is there a way to print page numbers for all pages, and in the same time
suppressing the headers?*

Thank you,
H

Re: Citation order wrong in table

[Anders Host-Madsen]

One (primitive) idea, which I don't know will work or not, 
is to use a \nocite command with
the authors in the order you want the citations to appear.

Re: [announce] LyX web available in Spanish

[Sergio Celani]

Marcelo Acuña escribió:

Hello LyXers!

From now on, most of the LyX web pages is translated into
Spanish.

If you want you can have a look at

 http://www.lyx.org/WebEs.Home

or clicking on the Spanish flag on top.

Suggestions or error corrections will always be welcome
here. Thanks!

Best regards
Ignacio García



 ¡Qué buena noticia! ¡Me alegro muchísimo!
  Saludos
Marcelo


  Yahoo! Cocina
Recetas prácticas y comida saludable
http://ar.mujer.yahoo.com/cocina/

  
Excelente noticia. Espero que con esto stenga mayor difusión en el mundo 
hispano este útil programa.

Saludos desde Argentina
Sergio

Re: Error converting to loadable format

[Uwe Stöhr]

Eliseu Filho schrieb:


I get the name of the .eps file and below it the message:
Error converting to loadable format

Some system configuration info: 


Ghostscript 8.61
ImageMagick 6.5.1-3 Q16 (2009-05-01)


What you see is a problem that ImageMagick is either misconfigured or cannot find Ghostscript. 
ImageMagick 6.5.1-3 was released 5 days ago, so it seems that you have installed it manually. 
Perhaps while doing this something went wrong, perhaps the ImageMagick version that is installed 
with LyX still has some registry entries. But this is hard to say from here, so I propose to

- uninstall ImageMagick
- then uninstall Ghostscript
- then uninstall LyX _completely_ (leave Aspell as it is)
- finally reinstall LyX

It should then work.

regards Uwe

Re: Page numbers and the book class

[Yago]

Do you know what's Google?.

http://www-h.eng.cam.ac.uk/help/tpl/textprocessing/teTeX/latex/latex2e-html/ltx-138.html
- Original Message - 
From: Hesham Kamel helta...@gmail.com

To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 10:08 PM
Subject: Page numbers and the book class



Hi,
Please, I am using the book more fonts class.
Everything is fine, except I am using the* \pagestyle{empty}*
to suppress printing the header.
However, this also causes printing the page number *ONLY* for the first 
page

on each chapter.
*Is there a way to print page numbers for all pages, and in the same time
suppressing the headers?*

Thank you,
H



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A question

[Adrian Diaz]

Friends of Lyx

i am writting my thesis and several times i have to set up some
list. Lyx by default has the option by point or number, but i would like
to use symbols or letter and only in certains points of my thesis.

any advice?

Greetings Adrián

Re: A question

[Steve Litt]

On Friday 17 April 2009 11:36:30 pm Adrian Diaz wrote:
 Friends of Lyx

 i am writting my thesis and several times i have to set up some
 list. Lyx by default has the option by point or number, but i would like
 to use symbols or letter and only in certains points of my thesis.

 any advice?

 Greetings Adrián

Hi Adrián,

I'll bet there's a package to do that on CTAN (www.ctan.org).

Also, see this article:

http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/lyx/ownlists.htm

The referenced article tells how to to it in LaTeX. To use a special list 
environment with LyX, you need to tell the LyX environment code to use a 
LatexType of Item_Environment instead of Environment. See Help-Customization 
document, especially the section titled Specific Paragraph Layouts

If you're writing a thesis, I'd suggest you subscribe to the LyX list. All the 
LyX geniuses are there.

HTH

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
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Re: [Figure embedding] An easy way to share lyx documents

[Niko Schwarz]

On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Etienne lepercq e.gu...@gmail.com wrote:


 [self-contained lyx-files]
 I think this feature should be at least re-discussed.


I for one have had large troubles when asking people to cooperate with me,
because I had to give them precise instructions how to set up lyx. The image
relative path thing I could solve by making lyx find the pictures using
relative paths and otherwise sharing the folder using dropbox, so i didn't
need to tar/untar anything. What was REALLY difficult was the .module I had
written for the document. It cannot be accessed by a relative path; it needs
to be inserted directly into the lyx tree. On OSX, I have to redo the module
installation procedure on every update.

I would like to point to how pages treats its documents. Pages documents are
identified with directories, which contain the required images, texts and
properties. No zipping into one archive is done. OSX then makes the
directory look like a file (called a package) in finder.

I think, sharing lyx documents would would be simplified  by providing
self-contained bundles that can be shipped around.

Niko

Change default unit for column width

[A B]

Hi.
Is it possible to change the default unit for column width from inch
to mm (or something else?)

Re: [Figure embedding] An easy way to share lyx documents

[Rainer M Krug]

Just my two cents worth:

1) I like the lyx format as it is BECAUSE it is not compressed, so I
would definitely not change the default format.

2) I like the idea of an export format, which effectively compresses
all files necessary into a single file. This is very nice for
archiving final documents (lets call it .lyxa for lyx Archive).

3) .lyxa should represent a directory tree, in which subfolders hold
pictures, bibtex, ... files.

4) .lyxa should be usable directly, i.e. the .lyx document should be
modified during export to contain only a) relative paths which b) only
are in subdirectories of the location of .lyx

5) .lyxa should contain information of the original location of the
foles on the system where it was created, to be able to update the
files not in the subdirectory.

6) One should be able to open a .lyxa file (which would modify the
files in the .lyxa but not the original location information (from 5))
or imported (showing the differences of the files in the .lyxa and the
original files and update the files when confirmed from the ones in
the .lyxa)

In this way, the .lyxa could be used as a colaborative tool (original
author exports, sends .lyxa to other authors, they open it, save it,
send it back, oroginal author imports it and confirms the files which
should be overwritten) and as an archive tool of finalised documents.

Cheers,

Rainer



On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Niko Schwarz
niko.schw...@googlemail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Etienne lepercq e.gu...@gmail.com wrote:


 [self-contained lyx-files]
 I think this feature should be at least re-discussed.


 I for one have had large troubles when asking people to cooperate with me,
 because I had to give them precise instructions how to set up lyx. The image
 relative path thing I could solve by making lyx find the pictures using
 relative paths and otherwise sharing the folder using dropbox, so i didn't
 need to tar/untar anything. What was REALLY difficult was the .module I had
 written for the document. It cannot be accessed by a relative path; it needs
 to be inserted directly into the lyx tree. On OSX, I have to redo the module
 installation procedure on every update.

 I would like to point to how pages treats its documents. Pages documents are
 identified with directories, which contain the required images, texts and
 properties. No zipping into one archive is done. OSX then makes the
 directory look like a file (called a package) in finder.

 I think, sharing lyx documents would would be simplified  by providing
 self-contained bundles that can be shipped around.

 Niko




-- 
Rainer M. Krug, Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology,
Stellenbosch University, South Africa

[announce] LyX web available in Spanish

[Ignacio García]

Hello LyXers!

From now on, most of the LyX web pages is translated into Spanish.

If you want you can have a look at

 http://www.lyx.org/WebEs.Home

or clicking on the Spanish flag on top.

Suggestions or error corrections will always be welcome here. Thanks!

Best regards
Ignacio García

Re: Change default unit for column width

[Doug Laidlaw]

On Friday 17 April 2009 4:53:12 pm A B wrote:
 Hi.
 Is it possible to change the default unit for column width from inch
 to mm (or something else?)

You don't say what OS.  I am running Mandriva Linux in Australia, which is 
metric.  My paper is A4 and my measurements (all defaults at the moment) are 
shown in cm.  You may have whatever is the default for your computer.  Under 
Windows, it is Regional Settings.

HTH,

Doug.

Re: [Figure embedding] An easy way to share lyx documents

[A B]

First I wish to come clean with one thing: I'd like to see LyX being
used by the ms word people in the industry, so my take is: do not
trust files someone send to you (see earlier discussions on
collaboration)

 1) I like the lyx format as it is BECAUSE it is not compressed, so I
 would definitely not change the default format.

Yes, that is very nice. Easy to generate lyx files from scripts, etc.
Very nice and worth saving.

 2) I like the idea of an export format, which effectively compresses
 all files necessary into a single file. This is very nice for
 archiving final documents (lets call it .lyxa for lyx Archive).

lyxa sounds like a nice idea, and there seems to allready be code for this.
There are two things though. lyxa should, as I see it, keep everything
in one place, all original paths will be removed, and it will be
everything in one directory or possible one subdirectory for images,
one for lyx files, one for bibtex stuff, one for  and so on, as
suggested. But basically everything in one place. Reason? If you need
lyxa format, you are either archiving it for backup or sending it to
someone. The recipient are never going to have the same directory
structure as you. That will only mean failure to try to achieve. The
easier way is to just loose the exact location if you are going for a
lyxa  file.
The only time I can see that the exact location is important is when
the images are changed and you don't want to update them manually in
the lyxa file, but hey, then you are probably not receiving new lyxa
versions back in collaboration with someone, so just keep your
original structure and generate a new lyxa file if you need to send it
to someone.
I hope I've managed to make my point clear about that keeping the
exact structure in a lyxa format is futile.


 5) .lyxa should contain information of the original location of the
 foles on the system where it was created, to be able to update the
 files not in the subdirectory.
I say no. You do not want to trust someone on this, either sending
your paths or receiving paths from someone else. If you trust your
coworkers, set up subversion, use the same account, make it world
readable... etc.


 6) One should be able to open a .lyxa file (which would modify the
 files in the .lyxa but not the original location information (from 5))
 or imported (showing the differences of the files in the .lyxa and the
 original files and update the files when confirmed from the ones in
 the .lyxa)

 In this way, the .lyxa could be used as a colaborative tool (original
 author exports, sends .lyxa to other authors, they open it, save it,
 send it back, oroginal author imports it and confirms the files which
 should be overwritten) and as an archive tool of finalised documents.

As I said no to replacing existing files with files from a lyxa file,
I say no to that, but I say yes to colaboration.
I don't want to start another flamewar about collaboration, but from
my viewpoint, don't trust your enemies lyxa files, add a diff this
new lyxa file against this lyxa file that I have currently open and
display differences so I can accept or reject them-button :-)
This will work also when you are working with total trust.

If someone includes an eps file that generates fractals and overload
your cpu, well that is kind of hard to detect  and I guess you'll have
to live with it.

IMHO:
The lyxa format is what Lyx misses, if you have to send more than one
file to send text and image, you are alienating 99% of the population.
Then comes the question... should .lyx be available as a file format
or an internal hidden format and  everything is saved in lyxa format?
But that can probably be decided in the future.

Re: Change default unit for column width

[A B]

I use Linux.

2009/4/17 Doug Laidlaw laidl...@hotkey.net.au:
 On Friday 17 April 2009 4:53:12 pm A B wrote:
 Hi.
 Is it possible to change the default unit for column width from inch
 to mm (or something else?)

 You don't say what OS.  I am running Mandriva Linux in Australia, which is
 metric.  My paper is A4 and my measurements (all defaults at the moment) are
 shown in cm.  You may have whatever is the default for your computer.  Under
 Windows, it is Regional Settings.

 HTH,

 Doug.

Re: Change default unit for column width

[Doug Laidlaw]

What is your locale set at?  My /etc/sysconfig/i18n has the line 

LC_MEASUREMENT=en_AU.UTF-8

You should be able to set your locale with administrative tools, or with KDE.

If you are in the States, and want to keep inches for everything else, I don't 
know what you could do.  You may need to compile Lyx (or Latex) specially.

Doug.

On Friday 17 April 2009 5:27:09 pm A B wrote:
 I use Linux.

 2009/4/17 Doug Laidlaw laidl...@hotkey.net.au:
  On Friday 17 April 2009 4:53:12 pm A B wrote:
  Hi.
  Is it possible to change the default unit for column width from inch
  to mm (or something else?)
 
  You don't say what OS.  I am running Mandriva Linux in Australia, which
  is metric.  My paper is A4 and my measurements (all defaults at the
  moment) are shown in cm.  You may have whatever is the default for your
  computer.  Under Windows, it is Regional Settings.
 
  HTH,
 
  Doug.

Re: [Figure embedding] An easy way to share lyx documents

[Rainer M Krug]

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 9:26 AM, A B gentosa...@gmail.com wrote:
 First I wish to come clean with one thing: I'd like to see LyX being
 used by the ms word people in the industry, so my take is: do not
 trust files someone send to you (see earlier discussions on
 collaboration)

 1) I like the lyx format as it is BECAUSE it is not compressed, so I
 would definitely not change the default format.

 Yes, that is very nice. Easy to generate lyx files from scripts, etc.
 Very nice and worth saving.

Exactly.


 2) I like the idea of an export format, which effectively compresses
 all files necessary into a single file. This is very nice for
 archiving final documents (lets call it .lyxa for lyx Archive).

 lyxa sounds like a nice idea, and there seems to allready be code for this.
 There are two things though. lyxa should, as I see it, keep everything
 in one place, all original paths will be removed, and it will be
 everything in one directory or possible one subdirectory for images,
 one for lyx files, one for bibtex stuff, one for  and so on, as
 suggested. But basically everything in one place. Reason? If you need
 lyxa format, you are either archiving it for backup or sending it to
 someone. The recipient are never going to have the same directory
 structure as you. That will only mean failure to try to achieve. The
 easier way is to just loose the exact location if you are going for a
 lyxa  file.
 The only time I can see that the exact location is important is when
 the images are changed and you don't want to update them manually in
 the lyxa file, but hey, then you are probably not receiving new lyxa
 versions back in collaboration with someone, so just keep your
 original structure and generate a new lyxa file if you need to send it
 to someone.
 I hope I've managed to make my point clear about that keeping the
 exact structure in a lyxa format is futile.


 5) .lyxa should contain information of the original location of the
 foles on the system where it was created, to be able to update the
 files not in the subdirectory.
 I say no. You do not want to trust someone on this, either sending
 your paths or receiving paths from someone else. If you trust your
 coworkers, set up subversion, use the same account, make it world
 readable... etc.


 6) One should be able to open a .lyxa file (which would modify the
 files in the .lyxa but not the original location information (from 5))
 or imported (showing the differences of the files in the .lyxa and the
 original files and update the files when confirmed from the ones in
 the .lyxa)

 In this way, the .lyxa could be used as a colaborative tool (original
 author exports, sends .lyxa to other authors, they open it, save it,
 send it back, oroginal author imports it and confirms the files which
 should be overwritten) and as an archive tool of finalised documents.

 As I said no to replacing existing files with files from a lyxa file,
 I say no to that, but I say yes to colaboration.
 I don't want to start another flamewar about collaboration, but from
 my viewpoint, don't trust your enemies lyxa files, add a diff this
 new lyxa file against this lyxa file that I have currently open and
 display differences so I can accept or reject them-button :-)
 This will work also when you are working with total trust.

I probably did not make myself clear: I definitely do NOT want that it
is automatically replacing the original files, only AFTER
confirmation, which could be done after showing the differences.


 If someone includes an eps file that generates fractals and overload
 your cpu, well that is kind of hard to detect  and I guess you'll have
 to live with it.

 IMHO:
 The lyxa format is what Lyx misses, if you have to send more than one

agreed.

 file to send text and image, you are alienating 99% of the population.
 Then comes the question... should .lyx be available as a file format
 or an internal hidden format and  everything is saved in lyxa format?
 But that can probably be decided in the future.


Just one idea to make the conversion easier: what about offering the
option of creating the file structure automatically, when a graph or
bibtex is inserted? Under Linux, this could be done via links, under
Windows probably as well (.lnk files?)? i.e. when I include a file
outside the ./graphs directory, a link to the original location is
created?

Rainer

-- 
Rainer M. Krug, Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology,
Stellenbosch University, South Africa

Re: Change default unit for column width

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

A B gentosa...@gmail.com writes:

 Hi.
 Is it possible to change the default unit for column width from inch
 to mm (or something else?)

The default width is cm if you use a 'metric' paper size and inch if you
use a paper size from weird countries, like usletter or legal.

JMarc

Re: Change default unit for column width

[Doug Laidlaw]

On Friday 17 April 2009 6:27:37 pm Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
 A B gentosa...@gmail.com writes:
  Hi.
  Is it possible to change the default unit for column width from inch
  to mm (or something else?)

 The default width is cm if you use a 'metric' paper size and inch if you
 use a paper size from weird countries, like usletter or legal.

 JMarc

You've got more courage than I have.  I see that the Universities in the U.S. 
use A4 for convention papers, etc. that need to be exchanged with 
universities in the real - oops, ISO world.  Ideally, those users need both.

I thhought that you might be saying that if I choose US letter, I will get 
inches.  It didn't happen -at least, not without exiting the program, which I 
didn't try.

Doug.

Re: [Figure embedding] An easy way to share lyx documents

[Andrew Sullivan]

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 09:26:26AM +0200, A B wrote:

 suggested. But basically everything in one place. Reason? If you need
 lyxa format, you are either archiving it for backup or sending it to
 someone. The recipient are never going to have the same directory
 structure as you. That will only mean failure to try to achieve. The
 easier way is to just loose the exact location if you are going for a
 lyxa  file.

You have this problem anyway, because LyX depends on LaTeX and all the
various LaTeX packages people have installed.  It's really quite a bit
more complicated than a Word or OOo installation.  I've no idea what
to do about this short of limiting the power of LyX by shipping its
own LaTeX with standard extensions.

A

-- 
Andrew Sullivan
a...@shinkuro.com
Shinkuro, Inc.

Re: [Figure embedding] An easy way to share lyx documents

[Niko Schwarz]

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com wrote:

 1) I like the lyx format as it is BECAUSE it is not compressed, so I
 would definitely not change the default format.


Ok, maybe I didn't make myself clear: you can have self-contained archives
with no compression at all on OSX. It works like this: you make a directory
and in that directory you dump a special file that tells finder to display
the directory as a package.

But from the command line, it is still a directory. And in finder, you can
look into the package by choosing Show Package Contents from the pop up
menu.

Now Pages files for example come as such packages, you can copy that
directory around, send it through email (yea, email clients handle it
surprisingly well), and it still works.

Now, other operating systems see a directory and not a package. People using
something other than OSX would have to be reminded to copy the directory
around the .lyx file around, which would be managed by lyx.

The file would still be accessible, no performance penalty, but complete
send-aroundability, and while it might feel a little alien on other OS's, on
OSX it's the standard way to do such things, so OSX users will cheer.

cheers,

niko

Re: Change default unit for column width

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Doug Laidlaw laidl...@hotkey.net.au writes:
 You've got more courage than I have.  I see that the Universities in the U.S. 
 use A4 for convention papers, etc. that need to be exchanged with 
 universities in the real - oops, ISO world.  Ideally, those users need both.

We had to choose something, actually. But the current solution will
probably be replaced by a Metric/Imperial toggle pref.

 I thhought that you might be saying that if I choose US letter, I will get 
 inches.  It didn't happen -at least, not without exiting the program, which I 
 didn't try.

Actually I was wrong. It depends on the default paper size that one
selects in Preferences.

JMarc

Re: [announce] LyX web available in Spanish

[Marcelo Acuña]

 Hello LyXers!
 
 From now on, most of the LyX web pages is translated into
 Spanish.
 
 If you want you can have a look at
 
  http://www.lyx.org/WebEs.Home
 
 or clicking on the Spanish flag on top.
 
 Suggestions or error corrections will always be welcome
 here. Thanks!
 
 Best regards
 Ignacio García

 ¡Qué buena noticia! ¡Me alegro muchísimo!
  Saludos
Marcelo


  Yahoo! Cocina
Recetas prácticas y comida saludable
http://ar.mujer.yahoo.com/cocina/

Re: Change default unit for column width

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
  You've got more courage than I have.  I see that the Universities in the
  U.S. use A4 for convention papers, etc. that need to be exchanged with
  universities in the real - oops, ISO world.  Ideally, those users need
  both.

 We had to choose something, actually. But the current solution will
 probably be replaced by a Metric/Imperial toggle pref.

Aren't there some locale settings we can use?

Jürgen

Re: Change default unit for column width

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org writes:

 Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
  You've got more courage than I have.  I see that the Universities in the
  U.S. use A4 for convention papers, etc. that need to be exchanged with
  universities in the real - oops, ISO world.  Ideally, those users need
  both.

 We had to choose something, actually. But the current solution will
 probably be replaced by a Metric/Imperial toggle pref.

 Aren't there some locale settings we can use?

There is LC_PAPER and LC_MEASUREMENT, but I do not know how to use them.

Also, since Qt 4.4, QLocale has a measurementSystem() method. We could
maybe use that when available.

JMarc

Citation order wrong in table

[rettie]

Hello everyone! I am in the situation where I have a table of previous work 
(articles) with numerical references, as below:

| Author [ref]| Year | Description |

However, the citations are ordered as they are in the subsequent text, not in 
the table, even through the table comes first, which makes it look like:

| Author [3]| Year | Description |
| Author [1]| Year | Description |
| Author [2]| Year | Description |

Text about [1]
Text about [2]
Text about [3]

Is there anyway to number the references according to the order they are in the 
table? I am using natbib with the sortcompress option. Thanks in advance!

Alex
-- 
View this message in context: 
http://n2.nabble.com/Citation-order-wrong-in-table-tp2651743p2651743.html
Sent from the LyX - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Page numbers and the book class

[Hesham Kamel]

Hi,
Please, I am using the book more fonts class.
Everything is fine, except I am using the* \pagestyle{empty}*
to suppress printing the header.
However, this also causes printing the page number *ONLY* for the first page
on each chapter.
*Is there a way to print page numbers for all pages, and in the same time
suppressing the headers?*

Thank you,
H

Re: Citation order wrong in table

[Anders Host-Madsen]

One (primitive) idea, which I don't know will work or not, 
is to use a \nocite command with
the authors in the order you want the citations to appear.

Re: [announce] LyX web available in Spanish

[Sergio Celani]

Marcelo Acuña escribió:

Hello LyXers!

From now on, most of the LyX web pages is translated into
Spanish.

If you want you can have a look at

 http://www.lyx.org/WebEs.Home

or clicking on the Spanish flag on top.

Suggestions or error corrections will always be welcome
here. Thanks!

Best regards
Ignacio García



 ¡Qué buena noticia! ¡Me alegro muchísimo!
  Saludos
Marcelo


  Yahoo! Cocina
Recetas prácticas y comida saludable
http://ar.mujer.yahoo.com/cocina/

  
Excelente noticia. Espero que con esto stenga mayor difusión en el mundo 
hispano este útil programa.

Saludos desde Argentina
Sergio

Re: Error converting to loadable format

[Uwe Stöhr]

Eliseu Filho schrieb:


I get the name of the .eps file and below it the message:
Error converting to loadable format

Some system configuration info: 


Ghostscript 8.61
ImageMagick 6.5.1-3 Q16 (2009-05-01)


What you see is a problem that ImageMagick is either misconfigured or cannot find Ghostscript. 
ImageMagick 6.5.1-3 was released 5 days ago, so it seems that you have installed it manually. 
Perhaps while doing this something went wrong, perhaps the ImageMagick version that is installed 
with LyX still has some registry entries. But this is hard to say from here, so I propose to

- uninstall ImageMagick
- then uninstall Ghostscript
- then uninstall LyX _completely_ (leave Aspell as it is)
- finally reinstall LyX

It should then work.

regards Uwe

Re: Page numbers and the book class

[Yago]

Do you know what's Google?.

http://www-h.eng.cam.ac.uk/help/tpl/textprocessing/teTeX/latex/latex2e-html/ltx-138.html
- Original Message - 
From: Hesham Kamel helta...@gmail.com

To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 10:08 PM
Subject: Page numbers and the book class



Hi,
Please, I am using the book more fonts class.
Everything is fine, except I am using the* \pagestyle{empty}*
to suppress printing the header.
However, this also causes printing the page number *ONLY* for the first 
page

on each chapter.
*Is there a way to print page numbers for all pages, and in the same time
suppressing the headers?*

Thank you,
H



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A question

[Adrian Diaz]

Friends of Lyx

i am writting my thesis and several times i have to set up some
list. Lyx by default has the option by point or number, but i would like
to use symbols or letter and only in certains points of my thesis.

any advice?

Greetings Adrián

Re: A question

[Steve Litt]

On Friday 17 April 2009 11:36:30 pm Adrian Diaz wrote:
 Friends of Lyx

 i am writting my thesis and several times i have to set up some
 list. Lyx by default has the option by point or number, but i would like
 to use symbols or letter and only in certains points of my thesis.

 any advice?

 Greetings Adrián

Hi Adrián,

I'll bet there's a package to do that on CTAN (www.ctan.org).

Also, see this article:

http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/lyx/ownlists.htm

The referenced article tells how to to it in LaTeX. To use a special list 
environment with LyX, you need to tell the LyX environment code to use a 
LatexType of Item_Environment instead of Environment. See Help-Customization 
document, especially the section titled Specific Paragraph Layouts

If you're writing a thesis, I'd suggest you subscribe to the LyX list. All the 
LyX geniuses are there.

HTH

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: [Figure embedding] An easy way to share lyx documents

[Niko Schwarz]

On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Etienne lepercq  wrote:

>
> >[self-contained lyx-files]
> I think this feature should be at least re-discussed.


I for one have had large troubles when asking people to cooperate with me,
because I had to give them precise instructions how to set up lyx. The image
relative path thing I could solve by making lyx find the pictures using
relative paths and otherwise sharing the folder using dropbox, so i didn't
need to tar/untar anything. What was REALLY difficult was the .module I had
written for the document. It cannot be accessed by a relative path; it needs
to be inserted directly into the lyx tree. On OSX, I have to redo the module
installation procedure on every update.

I would like to point to how pages treats its documents. Pages documents are
identified with directories, which contain the required images, texts and
properties. No zipping into one archive is done. OSX then makes the
directory look like a file (called a package) in finder.

I think, sharing lyx documents would would be simplified  by providing
self-contained bundles that can be shipped around.

Niko

Change default unit for column width

[A B]

Hi.
Is it possible to change the default unit for column width from inch
to mm (or something else?)

Re: [Figure embedding] An easy way to share lyx documents

[Rainer M Krug]

Just my two cents worth:

1) I like the lyx format as it is BECAUSE it is not compressed, so I
would definitely not change the default format.

2) I like the idea of an export format, which effectively compresses
all files necessary into a single file. This is very nice for
archiving final documents (lets call it .lyxa for lyx Archive).

3) .lyxa should represent a directory tree, in which subfolders hold
pictures, bibtex, ... files.

4) .lyxa should be usable directly, i.e. the .lyx document should be
modified during export to contain only a) relative paths which b) only
are in subdirectories of the location of .lyx

5) .lyxa should contain information of the original location of the
foles on the system where it was created, to be able to update the
files not in the subdirectory.

6) One should be able to open a .lyxa file (which would modify the
files in the .lyxa but not the original location information (from 5))
or imported (showing the differences of the files in the .lyxa and the
original files and update the files when confirmed from the ones in
the .lyxa)

In this way, the .lyxa could be used as a colaborative tool (original
author exports, sends .lyxa to other authors, they open it, save it,
send it back, oroginal author imports it and confirms the files which
should be overwritten) and as an archive tool of finalised documents.

Cheers,

Rainer



On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Niko Schwarz
 wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Etienne lepercq  wrote:
>
>>
>> >[self-contained lyx-files]
>> I think this feature should be at least re-discussed.
>
>
> I for one have had large troubles when asking people to cooperate with me,
> because I had to give them precise instructions how to set up lyx. The image
> relative path thing I could solve by making lyx find the pictures using
> relative paths and otherwise sharing the folder using dropbox, so i didn't
> need to tar/untar anything. What was REALLY difficult was the .module I had
> written for the document. It cannot be accessed by a relative path; it needs
> to be inserted directly into the lyx tree. On OSX, I have to redo the module
> installation procedure on every update.
>
> I would like to point to how pages treats its documents. Pages documents are
> identified with directories, which contain the required images, texts and
> properties. No zipping into one archive is done. OSX then makes the
> directory look like a file (called a package) in finder.
>
> I think, sharing lyx documents would would be simplified  by providing
> self-contained bundles that can be shipped around.
>
> Niko
>



-- 
Rainer M. Krug, Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology,
Stellenbosch University, South Africa

[announce] LyX web available in Spanish

[Ignacio García]

Hello LyXers!

>From now on, most of the LyX web pages is translated into Spanish.

If you want you can have a look at

 http://www.lyx.org/WebEs.Home

or clicking on the Spanish flag on top.

Suggestions or error corrections will always be welcome here. Thanks!

Best regards
Ignacio García

Re: Change default unit for column width

[Doug Laidlaw]

On Friday 17 April 2009 4:53:12 pm A B wrote:
> Hi.
> Is it possible to change the default unit for column width from inch
> to mm (or something else?)

You don't say what OS.  I am running Mandriva Linux in Australia, which is 
metric.  My paper is A4 and my measurements (all defaults at the moment) are 
shown in cm.  You may have whatever is the default for your computer.  Under 
Windows, it is "Regional Settings."

HTH,

Doug.

Re: [Figure embedding] An easy way to share lyx documents

[A B]

First I wish to come clean with one thing: I'd like to see LyX being
used by the ms word people in the industry, so my take is: do not
trust files someone send to you (see earlier discussions on
collaboration)

> 1) I like the lyx format as it is BECAUSE it is not compressed, so I
> would definitely not change the default format.

Yes, that is very nice. Easy to generate lyx files from scripts, etc.
Very nice and worth saving.

> 2) I like the idea of an export format, which effectively compresses
> all files necessary into a single file. This is very nice for
> archiving final documents (lets call it .lyxa for lyx Archive).

lyxa sounds like a nice idea, and there seems to allready be code for this.
There are two things though. lyxa should, as I see it, keep everything
in one place, all original paths will be removed, and it will be
"everything in one directory" or possible one subdirectory for images,
one for lyx files, one for bibtex stuff, one for  and so on, as
suggested. But basically everything in one place. Reason? If you need
lyxa format, you are either archiving it for backup or sending it to
someone. The recipient are never going to have the same directory
structure as you. That will only mean failure to try to achieve. The
easier way is to just loose the exact location if you are going for a
lyxa  file.
The only time I can see that the exact location is important is when
the images are changed and you don't want to update them manually in
the lyxa file, but hey, then you are probably not receiving new lyxa
versions back in collaboration with someone, so just keep your
original structure and generate a new lyxa file if you need to send it
to someone.
I hope I've managed to make my point clear about that keeping the
exact structure in a lyxa format is futile.


> 5) .lyxa should contain information of the original location of the
> foles on the system where it was created, to be able to update the
> files not in the subdirectory.
I say no. You do not want to trust someone on this, either sending
your paths or receiving paths from someone else. If you trust your
coworkers, set up subversion, use the same account, make it world
readable... etc.


> 6) One should be able to open a .lyxa file (which would modify the
> files in the .lyxa but not the original location information (from 5))
> or imported (showing the differences of the files in the .lyxa and the
> original files and update the files when confirmed from the ones in
> the .lyxa)
>
> In this way, the .lyxa could be used as a colaborative tool (original
> author exports, sends .lyxa to other authors, they open it, save it,
> send it back, oroginal author imports it and confirms the files which
> should be overwritten) and as an archive tool of finalised documents.

As I said no to replacing existing files with files from a lyxa file,
I say no to that, but I say yes to colaboration.
I don't want to start another flamewar about collaboration, but from
my viewpoint, don't trust your enemies lyxa files, add a "diff this
new lyxa file against this lyxa file that I have currently open and
display differences so I can accept or reject them"-button :-)
This will work also when you are working with total trust.

If someone includes an eps file that generates fractals and overload
your cpu, well that is kind of hard to detect  and I guess you'll have
to live with it.

IMHO:
The lyxa format is what Lyx misses, if you have to send more than one
file to send text and image, you are alienating 99% of the population.
Then comes the question... should .lyx be available as a file format
or an internal hidden format and  everything is saved in lyxa format?
But that can probably be decided in the future.

Re: Change default unit for column width

[A B]

I use Linux.

2009/4/17 Doug Laidlaw :
> On Friday 17 April 2009 4:53:12 pm A B wrote:
>> Hi.
>> Is it possible to change the default unit for column width from inch
>> to mm (or something else?)
>
> You don't say what OS.  I am running Mandriva Linux in Australia, which is
> metric.  My paper is A4 and my measurements (all defaults at the moment) are
> shown in cm.  You may have whatever is the default for your computer.  Under
> Windows, it is "Regional Settings."
>
> HTH,
>
> Doug.
>
>
>

Re: Change default unit for column width

[Doug Laidlaw]

What is your locale set at?  My /etc/sysconfig/i18n has the line 

LC_MEASUREMENT=en_AU.UTF-8

You should be able to set your locale with administrative tools, or with KDE.

If you are in the States, and want to keep inches for everything else, I don't 
know what you could do.  You may need to compile Lyx (or Latex) specially.

Doug.

On Friday 17 April 2009 5:27:09 pm A B wrote:
> I use Linux.
>
> 2009/4/17 Doug Laidlaw :
> > On Friday 17 April 2009 4:53:12 pm A B wrote:
> >> Hi.
> >> Is it possible to change the default unit for column width from inch
> >> to mm (or something else?)
> >
> > You don't say what OS.  I am running Mandriva Linux in Australia, which
> > is metric.  My paper is A4 and my measurements (all defaults at the
> > moment) are shown in cm.  You may have whatever is the default for your
> > computer.  Under Windows, it is "Regional Settings."
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> > Doug.

Re: [Figure embedding] An easy way to share lyx documents

[Rainer M Krug]

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 9:26 AM, A B  wrote:
> First I wish to come clean with one thing: I'd like to see LyX being
> used by the ms word people in the industry, so my take is: do not
> trust files someone send to you (see earlier discussions on
> collaboration)
>
>> 1) I like the lyx format as it is BECAUSE it is not compressed, so I
>> would definitely not change the default format.
>
> Yes, that is very nice. Easy to generate lyx files from scripts, etc.
> Very nice and worth saving.

Exactly.

>
>> 2) I like the idea of an export format, which effectively compresses
>> all files necessary into a single file. This is very nice for
>> archiving final documents (lets call it .lyxa for lyx Archive).
>
> lyxa sounds like a nice idea, and there seems to allready be code for this.
> There are two things though. lyxa should, as I see it, keep everything
> in one place, all original paths will be removed, and it will be
> "everything in one directory" or possible one subdirectory for images,
> one for lyx files, one for bibtex stuff, one for  and so on, as
> suggested. But basically everything in one place. Reason? If you need
> lyxa format, you are either archiving it for backup or sending it to
> someone. The recipient are never going to have the same directory
> structure as you. That will only mean failure to try to achieve. The
> easier way is to just loose the exact location if you are going for a
> lyxa  file.
> The only time I can see that the exact location is important is when
> the images are changed and you don't want to update them manually in
> the lyxa file, but hey, then you are probably not receiving new lyxa
> versions back in collaboration with someone, so just keep your
> original structure and generate a new lyxa file if you need to send it
> to someone.
> I hope I've managed to make my point clear about that keeping the
> exact structure in a lyxa format is futile.
>
>
>> 5) .lyxa should contain information of the original location of the
>> foles on the system where it was created, to be able to update the
>> files not in the subdirectory.
> I say no. You do not want to trust someone on this, either sending
> your paths or receiving paths from someone else. If you trust your
> coworkers, set up subversion, use the same account, make it world
> readable... etc.
>
>
>> 6) One should be able to open a .lyxa file (which would modify the
>> files in the .lyxa but not the original location information (from 5))
>> or imported (showing the differences of the files in the .lyxa and the
>> original files and update the files when confirmed from the ones in
>> the .lyxa)
>>
>> In this way, the .lyxa could be used as a colaborative tool (original
>> author exports, sends .lyxa to other authors, they open it, save it,
>> send it back, oroginal author imports it and confirms the files which
>> should be overwritten) and as an archive tool of finalised documents.
>
> As I said no to replacing existing files with files from a lyxa file,
> I say no to that, but I say yes to colaboration.
> I don't want to start another flamewar about collaboration, but from
> my viewpoint, don't trust your enemies lyxa files, add a "diff this
> new lyxa file against this lyxa file that I have currently open and
> display differences so I can accept or reject them"-button :-)
> This will work also when you are working with total trust.

I probably did not make myself clear: I definitely do NOT want that it
is automatically replacing the original files, only AFTER
confirmation, which could be done after showing the differences.

>
> If someone includes an eps file that generates fractals and overload
> your cpu, well that is kind of hard to detect  and I guess you'll have
> to live with it.
>
> IMHO:
> The lyxa format is what Lyx misses, if you have to send more than one

agreed.

> file to send text and image, you are alienating 99% of the population.
> Then comes the question... should .lyx be available as a file format
> or an internal hidden format and  everything is saved in lyxa format?
> But that can probably be decided in the future.
>

Just one idea to make the conversion easier: what about offering the
option of creating the file structure automatically, when a graph or
bibtex is inserted? Under Linux, this could be done via links, under
Windows probably as well (.lnk files?)? i.e. when I include a file
outside the ./graphs directory, a link to the original location is
created?

Rainer

-- 
Rainer M. Krug, Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology,
Stellenbosch University, South Africa

Re: Change default unit for column width

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

A B  writes:

> Hi.
> Is it possible to change the default unit for column width from inch
> to mm (or something else?)

The default width is cm if you use a 'metric' paper size and inch if you
use a paper size from weird countries, like usletter or legal.

JMarc

Re: Change default unit for column width

[Doug Laidlaw]

On Friday 17 April 2009 6:27:37 pm Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> A B  writes:
> > Hi.
> > Is it possible to change the default unit for column width from inch
> > to mm (or something else?)
>
> The default width is cm if you use a 'metric' paper size and inch if you
> use a paper size from weird countries, like usletter or legal.
>
> JMarc

You've got more courage than I have.  I see that the Universities in the U.S. 
use A4 for convention papers, etc. that need to be exchanged with 
universities in the real - oops, ISO world.  Ideally, those users need both.

I thhought that you might be saying that if I choose US letter, I will get 
inches.  It didn't happen -at least, not without exiting the program, which I 
didn't try.

Doug.

Re: [Figure embedding] An easy way to share lyx documents

[Andrew Sullivan]

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 09:26:26AM +0200, A B wrote:

> suggested. But basically everything in one place. Reason? If you need
> lyxa format, you are either archiving it for backup or sending it to
> someone. The recipient are never going to have the same directory
> structure as you. That will only mean failure to try to achieve. The
> easier way is to just loose the exact location if you are going for a
> lyxa  file.

You have this problem anyway, because LyX depends on LaTeX and all the
various LaTeX packages people have installed.  It's really quite a bit
more complicated than a Word or OOo installation.  I've no idea what
to do about this short of limiting the power of LyX by shipping its
own LaTeX with "standard" extensions.

A

-- 
Andrew Sullivan
a...@shinkuro.com
Shinkuro, Inc.

Re: [Figure embedding] An easy way to share lyx documents

[Niko Schwarz]

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Rainer M Krug  wrote:
>
> 1) I like the lyx format as it is BECAUSE it is not compressed, so I
> would definitely not change the default format.
>

Ok, maybe I didn't make myself clear: you can have self-contained archives
with no compression at all on OSX. It works like this: you make a directory
and in that directory you dump a special file that tells finder to display
the directory as a package.

But from the command line, it is still a directory. And in finder, you can
look into the package by choosing "Show Package Contents" from the pop up
menu.

Now Pages files for example come as such "packages", you can copy that
directory around, send it through email (yea, email clients handle it
surprisingly well), and it still works.

Now, other operating systems see a directory and not a package. People using
something other than OSX would have to be reminded to copy the directory
around the .lyx file around, which would be managed by lyx.

The file would still be accessible, no performance penalty, but complete
send-aroundability, and while it might feel a little alien on other OS's, on
OSX it's the standard way to do such things, so OSX users will cheer.

cheers,

niko

Re: Change default unit for column width

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Doug Laidlaw  writes:
> You've got more courage than I have.  I see that the Universities in the U.S. 
> use A4 for convention papers, etc. that need to be exchanged with 
> universities in the real - oops, ISO world.  Ideally, those users need both.

We had to choose something, actually. But the current solution will
probably be replaced by a Metric/Imperial toggle pref.

> I thhought that you might be saying that if I choose US letter, I will get 
> inches.  It didn't happen -at least, not without exiting the program, which I 
> didn't try.

Actually I was wrong. It depends on the default paper size that one
selects in Preferences.

JMarc

Re: [announce] LyX web available in Spanish

[Marcelo Acuña]

> Hello LyXers!
> 
> From now on, most of the LyX web pages is translated into
> Spanish.
> 
> If you want you can have a look at
> 
>  http://www.lyx.org/WebEs.Home
> 
> or clicking on the Spanish flag on top.
> 
> Suggestions or error corrections will always be welcome
> here. Thanks!
> 
> Best regards
> Ignacio García

 ¡Qué buena noticia! ¡Me alegro muchísimo!
  Saludos
Marcelo


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Re: Change default unit for column width

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> > You've got more courage than I have.  I see that the Universities in the
> > U.S. use A4 for convention papers, etc. that need to be exchanged with
> > universities in the real - oops, ISO world.  Ideally, those users need
> > both.
>
> We had to choose something, actually. But the current solution will
> probably be replaced by a Metric/Imperial toggle pref.

Aren't there some locale settings we can use?

Jürgen

Re: Change default unit for column width

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Jürgen Spitzmüller  writes:

> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
>> > You've got more courage than I have.  I see that the Universities in the
>> > U.S. use A4 for convention papers, etc. that need to be exchanged with
>> > universities in the real - oops, ISO world.  Ideally, those users need
>> > both.
>>
>> We had to choose something, actually. But the current solution will
>> probably be replaced by a Metric/Imperial toggle pref.
>
> Aren't there some locale settings we can use?

There is LC_PAPER and LC_MEASUREMENT, but I do not know how to use them.

Also, since Qt 4.4, QLocale has a measurementSystem() method. We could
maybe use that when available.

JMarc

Citation order wrong in table

[rettie]

Hello everyone! I am in the situation where I have a table of previous work 
(articles) with numerical references, as below:

| Author [ref]| Year | Description |

However, the citations are ordered as they are in the subsequent text, not in 
the table, even through the table comes first, which makes it look like:

| Author [3]| Year | Description |
| Author [1]| Year | Description |
| Author [2]| Year | Description |

Text about [1]
Text about [2]
Text about [3]

Is there anyway to number the references according to the order they are in the 
table? I am using natbib with the "sort" option. Thanks in advance!

Alex
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Page numbers and the book class

[Hesham Kamel]

Hi,
Please, I am using the book more fonts class.
Everything is fine, except I am using the* \pagestyle{empty}*
to suppress printing the header.
However, this also causes printing the page number *ONLY* for the first page
on each chapter.
*Is there a way to print page numbers for all pages, and in the same time
suppressing the headers?*

Thank you,
H

Re: Citation order wrong in table

[Anders Host-Madsen]

One (primitive) idea, which I don't know will work or not, 
is to use a \nocite command with
the authors in the order you want the citations to appear.

Re: [announce] LyX web available in Spanish

[Sergio Celani]

Marcelo Acuña escribió:

Hello LyXers!

From now on, most of the LyX web pages is translated into
Spanish.

If you want you can have a look at

 http://www.lyx.org/WebEs.Home

or clicking on the Spanish flag on top.

Suggestions or error corrections will always be welcome
here. Thanks!

Best regards
Ignacio García



 ¡Qué buena noticia! ¡Me alegro muchísimo!
  Saludos
Marcelo


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Excelente noticia. Espero que con esto stenga mayor difusión en el mundo 
hispano este útil programa.

Saludos desde Argentina
Sergio

Re: Error converting to loadable format

[Uwe Stöhr]

Eliseu Filho schrieb:


I get the name of the .eps file and below it the message:
Error converting to loadable format

Some system configuration info: 


Ghostscript 8.61
ImageMagick 6.5.1-3 Q16 (2009-05-01)


What you see is a problem that ImageMagick is either misconfigured or cannot find Ghostscript. 
ImageMagick 6.5.1-3 was released 5 days ago, so it seems that you have installed it manually. 
Perhaps while doing this something went wrong, perhaps the ImageMagick version that is installed 
with LyX still has some registry entries. But this is hard to say from here, so I propose to

- uninstall ImageMagick
- then uninstall Ghostscript
- then uninstall LyX _completely_ (leave Aspell as it is)
- finally reinstall LyX

It should then work.

regards Uwe

Re: Page numbers and the book class

[Yago]

Do you know what's Google?.

http://www-h.eng.cam.ac.uk/help/tpl/textprocessing/teTeX/latex/latex2e-html/ltx-138.html
- Original Message - 
From: "Hesham Kamel" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 10:08 PM
Subject: Page numbers and the book class



Hi,
Please, I am using the book more fonts class.
Everything is fine, except I am using the* \pagestyle{empty}*
to suppress printing the header.
However, this also causes printing the page number *ONLY* for the first 
page

on each chapter.
*Is there a way to print page numbers for all pages, and in the same time
suppressing the headers?*

Thank you,
H



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A question

[Adrian Diaz]

Friends of Lyx

i am writting my thesis and several times i have to set up some
list. Lyx by default has the option by point or number, but i would like
to use symbols or letter and only in certains points of my thesis.

any advice?

Greetings Adrián

Re: A question

[Steve Litt]

On Friday 17 April 2009 11:36:30 pm Adrian Diaz wrote:
> Friends of Lyx
>
> i am writting my thesis and several times i have to set up some
> list. Lyx by default has the option by point or number, but i would like
> to use symbols or letter and only in certains points of my thesis.
>
> any advice?
>
> Greetings Adrián

Hi Adrián,

I'll bet there's a package to do that on CTAN (www.ctan.org).

Also, see this article:

http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/lyx/ownlists.htm

The referenced article tells how to to it in LaTeX. To use a special list 
environment with LyX, you need to tell the LyX environment code to use a 
LatexType of Item_Environment instead of Environment. See Help->Customization 
document, especially the section titled "Specific Paragraph Layouts"

If you're writing a thesis, I'd suggest you subscribe to the LyX list. All the 
LyX geniuses are there.

HTH

SteveT

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