Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Vincent van Ravesteijn v...@lyx.org wrote:
 Public release of LyX version 2.1.0rc1
 

Ubuntu packages are now available from the PPA:
https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/daily/+packages


Liviu


 We are proud to announce the first release candidate of the new
 LyX 2.1 series.

 With this release, LyX celebrates 18 years of existence. The 2.1 series
 has a rich set of new features compared to the current stable series.

 LyX 2.1.0rc1 is the culmination of three years of hard work.
 This release is meant for testing before we actually release LyX 2.1.

 An overview of the new features can be found here:
   http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX21

 You can download LyX 2.1.0rc1 from ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/.

 We hope you will enjoy the result!

 The file RELEASE-NOTES lists some known issues and problems compared
 to the current stable releases (LyX 2.0.x). We strongly recommend that
 packagers of LyX on various platforms and distributions read this file.

 As with any major release, this one comes with lot of new features but
 also some bugs. If you think you have found a bug in LyX 2.1.0rc1,
 either email the LyX developers' mailing list (lyx-devel at lists.lyx.org),
 or open a bug report at http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki/BugTrackerHome.

 If you have trouble using LyX or have a question, consult the
 documentation that comes with LyX (under Help) and the LyX wiki, which you
 will find at http://wiki.lyx.org/. You can also send email to the LyX users'
 list (lyx-users at lists.lyx.org).

 The LyX team.
 http://www.lyx.org




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Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 11:00 PM, James A.R. Koehler
jim.koeh...@usask.ca wrote:
 I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a 32-bit
 version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In both cases,
 when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or via the .deb
 repository, it installs without any classes or layouts; i.e., it is not very

Have you tried installing from the PPA?

https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/release


Liviu

 useful.  If I try to read the User Manual, it comes up with an error saying
 it cannot find the appropriate class to display the data.  Catch 22.

 In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other years,
 the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!

 Jim




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Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Daniel CLEMENT]

Le mercredi 26 mars 2014 à 15:00 -0700, James A.R. Koehler a écrit :
 I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a 
 32-bit version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In 
 both cases, when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or 
 via the .deb repository, it installs without any classes or layouts; 
 i.e., it is not very useful.  

I have a brand new live USB (persistent) install of LM16, where LyX is
installed from Synaptic. I was able to observe but partly what you
describe. 

1. There are indeed some classes missing, but on top of the list under
Document  Parameters there's a good 20+ choice of basic document
classes. Aren't the ones you miss in texlive-formats-extra or
texlive-publishers?

 If I try to read the User Manual, it comes 
 up with an error saying it cannot find the appropriate class to display 
 the data.  Catch 22.

2. I had different errors. First it complained about enumitem.sty not
found. This could be solved by installing texlive-latex-extra (not here
by default). Still, there's another error: No information to convert
files from eps format to pdf format. Define a converter under
preferences. 

 In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other 
 years, the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!

Granted, I never had to do that under any other LyX install.

FWIW, under Linux Mint Debian, there's no such problems.

 
 Jim
 

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Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Liviu Andronic]

On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Daniel CLEMENT dcleme...@laposte.net wrote:
 Le mercredi 26 mars 2014 à 15:00 -0700, James A.R. Koehler a écrit :
 I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a
 32-bit version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In
 both cases, when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or
 via the .deb repository, it installs without any classes or layouts;
 i.e., it is not very useful.

 I have a brand new live USB (persistent) install of LM16, where LyX is
 installed from Synaptic. I was able to observe but partly what you
 describe.

 1. There are indeed some classes missing, but on top of the list under
 Document  Parameters there's a good 20+ choice of basic document
 classes. Aren't the ones you miss in texlive-formats-extra or
 texlive-publishers?

OK, this sounds more like LaTeX classes are missing (and NOT LyX
layout files). Which means that re-installing LyX is of no
consequence. You should perform a full installation of TeX Live. You
may as well start by installing 'texlive-full', but beware that this
is likely to be a monstrous download.

Liviu



 If I try to read the User Manual, it comes
 up with an error saying it cannot find the appropriate class to display
 the data.  Catch 22.

 2. I had different errors. First it complained about enumitem.sty not
 found. This could be solved by installing texlive-latex-extra (not here
 by default). Still, there's another error: No information to convert
 files from eps format to pdf format. Define a converter under
 preferences.

 In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other
 years, the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!

 Granted, I never had to do that under any other LyX install.

 FWIW, under Linux Mint Debian, there's no such problems.


 Jim


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Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Daniel CLEMENT]

Le jeudi 27 mars 2014 à 08:48 +0100, Liviu Andronic a écrit :
 On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Daniel CLEMENT dcleme...@laposte.net wrote:
  Le mercredi 26 mars 2014 à 15:00 -0700, James A.R. Koehler a écrit :
  I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a
  32-bit version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In
  both cases, when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or
  via the .deb repository, it installs without any classes or layouts;
  i.e., it is not very useful.
 
  I have a brand new live USB (persistent) install of LM16, where LyX is
  installed from Synaptic. I was able to observe but partly what you
  describe.
 
  1. There are indeed some classes missing, but on top of the list under
  Document  Parameters there's a good 20+ choice of basic document
  classes. Aren't the ones you miss in texlive-formats-extra or
  texlive-publishers?
 
 OK, this sounds more like LaTeX classes are missing (and NOT LyX
 layout files). 

Certainly.

 Which means that re-installing LyX is of no
 consequence. You should perform a full installation of TeX Live. You
 may as well start by installing 'texlive-full', but beware that this
 is likely to be a monstrous download.

Ouch! texlive-full... I wouldn't try that on a live-USB _persistent_
setup: if the persistence file ever becomes full, it locks the whole
system and one can only restart from scratch (all settings lost...)

OTTH, on a regular install, why not? Yet, it would be better if LyX
marked as dependencies just the LaTeX packages needed for previewing the
manuals.

Yet, the missing converter issue below is odd: is that related to a
LaTeX package?

 
 Liviu
 
 
 
  If I try to read the User Manual, it comes
  up with an error saying it cannot find the appropriate class to display
  the data.  Catch 22.
 
  2. I had different errors. First it complained about enumitem.sty not
  found. This could be solved by installing texlive-latex-extra (not here
  by default). Still, there's another error: No information to convert
  files from eps format to pdf format. Define a converter under
  preferences.
 
  In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other
  years, the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!
 
  Granted, I never had to do that under any other LyX install.
 
  FWIW, under Linux Mint Debian, there's no such problems.
 
 
  Jim
 
 
  --
  Daniel CLEMENT
 
 
 

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Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)

[Paola Manzini]

Hi guys,

first of all thanks for your efforts, it does look great! However I am 
still frustrated in using it on my device with a high resolution screen 
(Windows), as the icons are too small (the problem that I highlighted here:

http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.editors.lyx.general/81497

but was unable to solve on my own): any chance this could be solved in 
2.1 final release? I am sure I am not alone with this problem, and from 
the release notes it seems this issue is still there.


Thanks again,
Paola

On 26/03/2014 21:41, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:

Public release of LyX version 2.1.0rc1


We are proud to announce the first release candidate of the new
LyX 2.1 series.

With this release, LyX celebrates 18 years of existence. The 2.1 series
has a rich set of new features compared to the current stable series.

LyX 2.1.0rc1 is the culmination of three years of hard work.
This release is meant for testing before we actually release LyX 2.1.

An overview of the new features can be found here:
  http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX21

You can download LyX 2.1.0rc1 from ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/.

We hope you will enjoy the result!

The file RELEASE-NOTES lists some known issues and problems compared
to the current stable releases (LyX 2.0.x). We strongly recommend that
packagers of LyX on various platforms and distributions read this file.

As with any major release, this one comes with lot of new features but
also some bugs. If you think you have found a bug in LyX 2.1.0rc1,
either email the LyX developers' mailing list (lyx-devel at 
lists.lyx.org),

or open a bug report at http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki/BugTrackerHome.

If you have trouble using LyX or have a question, consult the
documentation that comes with LyX (under Help) and the LyX wiki, which 
you
will find at http://wiki.lyx.org/. You can also send email to the LyX 
users'

list (lyx-users at lists.lyx.org).

The LyX team.
http://www.lyx.org



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Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)

[William Seager]

On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 22:41:50 Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:
 We are proud to announce the first release candidate of the new
 LyX 2.1 series.

great news - but I've been bitten before by incompatibility
of formats between versions. Does 2.1rc1 permit export
to old lyx versions? 

thanks,
-- 
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University of Toronto Scarborough
www.utsc.utoronto.ca/~seager

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to account for than the right we conceive men 
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Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 7:34 AM, William Seager sea...@utsc.utoronto.ca wrote:
 On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 22:41:50 Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:
 We are proud to announce the first release candidate of the new
 LyX 2.1 series.

 great news - but I've been bitten before by incompatibility
 of formats between versions. Does 2.1rc1 permit export
 to old lyx versions?

Yes. You can do File  Export  LyX 2.0.x. You can even export to LyX
1.y.x if you go to File  Export  More Formats  Options. There are
also easy commands on the command line to convert a LyX 2.1 file to a
LyX 2.0.x file.

Best,

Scott

Table width

[Cee Van Houten]

In the manual i was told a thousand times 
that with lyx i could focus on 
the content, not on the layout... 
which sounded great. 
Yet i was trying to create a table 
today which was a little bit to wide. 
Lyx didnt warn me it was to wide nor 
did it make any corrections itself. 
and after searching the manual all i 
could come up with was this:

\backslash\mbox{columnwidth}
=3\, W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+2\csot0,75\,
W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+\backslash\mbox
{arrayrulewidth}
\phantom{=\,}+5\left(2\backslash\mbox
{tabcolsep}+\backslash\mbox{arrayrulewidth}\right)
=4,5\, W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+62,4\,\mathrm{pt}
W_{\mathrm{Spalte}} 
=\frac{\backslash\mbox{columnwidth}
-62,4\,\mathrm{pt}}{4,5}

so thats the only way to correct that 
issue without trial and error? 
are you kidding me? Or am i missing 
something? i must be, because MS word is
much easier on that one, as it 
doesnt require converting the file 
every time i made some trials.

greetings. 
 

Re: Table width

[John White]

Lyx is not for everyone.  Some are better off using a word processor, and, for 
reasons which escape me, many of those folks find it hard to wean themselves 
from Word.  Charles Dickens got by with pen and ink.

On Thursday, March 27, 2014 06:09:30 AM Cee Van Houten wrote:
 In the manual i was told a thousand times
 that with lyx i could focus on
 the content, not on the layout...
 which sounded great.
 Yet i was trying to create a table
 today which was a little bit to wide.
 Lyx didnt warn me it was to wide nor
 did it make any corrections itself.
 and after searching the manual all i
 could come up with was this:
 
 \backslash\mbox{columnwidth}
 =3\, W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+2\csot0,75\,
 W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+\backslash\mbox
 {arrayrulewidth}
 \phantom{=\,}+5\left(2\backslash\mbox
 {tabcolsep}+\backslash\mbox{arrayrulewidth}\right)
 =4,5\, W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+62,4\,\mathrm{pt}
 W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}
 =\frac{\backslash\mbox{columnwidth}
 -62,4\,\mathrm{pt}}{4,5}
 
 so thats the only way to correct that
 issue without trial and error?
 are you kidding me? Or am i missing
 something? i must be, because MS word is
 much easier on that one, as it
 doesnt require converting the file
 every time i made some trials.
 
 greetings.

Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Liviu Andronic]

On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 2:17 PM, James A.R. Koehler
jim.koeh...@usask.ca wrote:
 Hi,

 Yes, I tried that and got exactly the same result.  Last night, I
 installed the Windows version of Lyx on a WIndows XP virtual machine and it
 all installed and ran correctly.  However, I do not want to use it that way;
 I want to run the Linux version.  I need to edit some material I wrote a few
 years ago so this is very frustrating.

 The .lyx/layouts directory is completely empty and, indeed, so are all
 the other sub-directories under .lyx

Then you can simply try to mv ~/.lyx ~/.lyx.bak and then restart LyX.

Liviu


 Jim



 On 14-03-26 11:36 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

 On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 11:00 PM, James A.R. Koehler
 jim.koeh...@usask.ca wrote:

 I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a
 32-bit
 version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In both cases,
 when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or via the .deb
 repository, it installs without any classes or layouts; i.e., it is not
 very

 Have you tried installing from the PPA?

 https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/release


 Liviu

 useful.  If I try to read the User Manual, it comes up with an error
 saying
 it cannot find the appropriate class to display the data.  Catch 22.

 In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other
 years,
 the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!

 Jim







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Re: Table width

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Le 27/03/14 14:09, Cee Van Houten a écrit :

Yet i was trying to create a table today which was a little bit to
wide. Lyx didnt warn me it was to wide nor did it make any
corrections itself. and after searching the manual all i could come
up with was this:

\backslash\mbox{columnwidth} =3\, W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+2\csot0,75\,
W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+\backslash\mbox {arrayrulewidth}
\phantom{=\,}+5\left(2\backslash\mbox
{tabcolsep}+\backslash\mbox{arrayrulewidth}\right) =4,5\,
W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+62,4\,\mathrm{pt} W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}
=\frac{\backslash\mbox{columnwidth} -62,4\,\mathrm{pt}}{4,5}


I am not sure where the code you pasted is coming from, but it looks 
overly scary. I don't get where these \backslash\mbox come from...



so thats the only way to correct that issue without trial and error?
are you kidding me? Or am i missing something? i must be, because MS
word is much easier on that one, as it doesnt require converting the
file every time i made some trials.


Since we do not see the file and cannot see what the problem is, we can 
only agree with you: you found out the truth, LyX is a scam ;)


Seriously, depdending on problems, there may be easy or complicated 
solutions. Personnally curse more often towards Word or PoorPoint than 
towards LyX. YMMV.


JMarc

Re: Templates from LyX-207-Bundle-3 Windows Installer

[José Alejandro Lugo García]

Hello Uwe,

Thanks for your very explicit and clear explanation :) About LaTeX engine for 
Windows (2GB), of course is very large. In that case, at work, fortunately I 
have access to full Ubuntu repositories because there is a mirror that are keep 
update constantly from internet. I know probably this questions are tricky but:

-What version of LyX the team think to put on Ubuntu 14.04 repositories? 
-In Ubuntu repositories there are full LaTeX engine? If so, I will think about 
migrate completely and use LyX on that enviroment. Actually I 'm not doing that 
because the problem I have with accent in LyX version 2.0.2 from my Ubuntu 
12.04 already installed on my machine. But, if at Ubuntu 14.04 will be put a 
latest version that solve most of my current problems then yes, I would love to 
use LyX on Ubuntu OS.

Bests,

José. 

- Mensaje original -
De: Uwe Stöhr uwesto...@web.de
Para: José Alejandro Lugo García jal...@uci.cu, lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Enviados: Miércoles, 26 de Marzo 2014 20:27:47
Asunto: Re: Templates from LyX-207-Bundle-3 Windows Installer

Am 22.03.2014 02:16, schrieb José Alejandro Lugo García:

 I don’t have the possibility of a full internet connection, so with some 
 help, I reached the LyX-207-Bundle-3 installer for Windows. Install perfect.

Hello José,

This installer version unfortunately came with a major bug that destroyed all 
shortcuts. As a 
Spanish user you are most probably affected. Please excuse for that mistake.

You have now 2 choices:
- either uninstall LyX 2.0.7 and reinstall it using this installer:
   ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/bin/2.0.7/LyX-2.0.7-Installer-4.exe
- or uninstall LyX 2.0. and install instead the brand new LyX 2.1 release 
candidate:
   
ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.1/lyx-2.1.0rc1/LyX-210RC1-Installer-1.exe

(When LyX 2.1.0 is released in about 2 weeks you can easily upgrade without the 
need to reinstall 
LyX. Just install LyX 2.1.0 over the existing LyX 2.1RC1.)

 All great until I try to open some templates from File/New from Template (see 
 “ 0 showing_templates.png”). Sadly many templates from this collection shows 
 “errors” with missing dependencies that needs to be downloaded from internet 
 (see “1 Show_error.png”).

The reason is that LyX uses a lot of packages and the LaTeX engine for Windows 
does not offer to 
install all packages at once (that would be more than 2 GB). I therefore 
recommend that you go to an 
Internet café, download there the LyX installer, keep your Internet connection 
open and install LyX 
right in the Internet Café.
The installation might take a while (up to 15 minutes, depending on your PC and 
the Internet speed) 
so just drink a coffee in the café ;-).
Finally you have a full functional LyX and can go offline. Problems as you had 
should then not occur.
Note that the installation of all the LaTeX packages is only necessary once. So 
as log as you keep 
the LateX engine MiKTeX on your PC everything should be fine after the first 
installation. 
Therefore assure that you keep MiKTeX when you uninstall LyX 2.0.7 (there is an 
option in LyX's 
uninstaller).

regards Uwe

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Re: Table width

[Cee Van Houten]

Jean-Marc Lasgouttes lasgouttes at lyx.org writes:

 
 Le 27/03/14 14:09, Cee Van Houten a écrit :
  Yet i was trying to create a table today which was a little bit to
  wide. Lyx didnt warn me it was to wide nor did it make any
  corrections itself. and after searching the manual all i could come
  up with was this:
 
  \backslash\mbox{columnwidth} =3\, W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+2\csot0,75\,
  W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+\backslash\mbox {arrayrulewidth}
  \phantom{=\,}+5\left(2\backslash\mbox
  {tabcolsep}+\backslash\mbox{arrayrulewidth}\right) =4,5\,
  W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+62,4\,\mathrm{pt} W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}
  =\frac{\backslash\mbox{columnwidth} -62,4\,\mathrm{pt}}{4,5}
 
 I am not sure where the code you pasted is coming from, but it looks 
 overly scary. I don't get where these \backslash\mbox come from...
 
  so thats the only way to correct that issue without trial and error?
  are you kidding me? Or am i missing something? i must be, because MS
  word is much easier on that one, as it doesnt require converting the
  file every time i made some trials.
 
 Since we do not see the file and cannot see what the problem is, we can 
 only agree with you: you found out the truth, LyX is a scam ;)
 
 Seriously, depdending on problems, there may be easy or complicated 
 solutions. Personnally curse more often towards Word or PoorPoint than 
 towards LyX. YMMV.
 
 JMarc
 
 


actually, i was quite satisfied with lyx so far, yet i was frustrated it
doesnt seem to be able to come up with a better solution in this case.

all i want to do is fixing a table which is too wide to display correctly
automatically by making the fonts smaller or adding word wraps or something
like that instead of just 'cutting off' the table. 

solving it by giving the coloumns fixed widths related to the page width
doesnt seem to do the trick either as a column i tested it with was far
wider then the 50% i specifed.

For some reason i couldnt even use strg+enter in a cell, and specifing every
cell i want a word wrap in as a 2-line cell isnt really userfriendly either. 


The code is from the embedded objects help file, section 2.13, german
version. 

thanks for your help. 

Re: Table width

[Cee Van Houten]

John White john at lawquest.com writes:

 
 Lyx is not for everyone.  Some are better off using a word processor, and,
for 
 reasons which escape me, many of those folks find it hard to wean themselves 
 from Word.  Charles Dickens got by with pen and ink.
 

I can see your point with latex, but lyx claims to be more comfortable to
use than word, doesnt it? at least it claimed a thousand times in the manual
i used i would have more time to focus on the content and not on the layout,
which unfortunately isnt the case with my problem. and fixing wide tables to
the page width isnt so uncommon, isnt it?
so thanks for your help... keep up the great work! o.0

Re: Table width

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

2014-03-27 16:15 GMT+01:00 Cee Van Houten:

 all i want to do is fixing a table which is too wide to display correctly
 automatically by making the fonts smaller or adding word wraps or something
 like that instead of just 'cutting off' the table.

 solving it by giving the coloumns fixed widths related to the page width
 doesnt seem to do the trick either as a column i tested it with was far
 wider then the 50% i specifed.


Note there is a space between columns which you need to take into account.
This sums up to the overall width. So make it a bit less than 50%.

In LaTeX, there is the tabularx package which solves this problem. It is
not yet natively supported by LyX (nobody stepped forward to do this). LyX
supports the tabular* environment via the Table width setting, but its
result is more often than not unsatisfactory.

HTH
Jürgen

Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Liviu Andronic]

Please use Reply All to keep the discussion on the list.


On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:50 PM, James A.R. Koehler
jim.koeh...@usask.ca wrote:
 Hi,

 I did that and it just recreates all those same empty directories.

Actually the layouts directories that matter are (usually) in
/usr/share/lyx/layouts . Is that empty, too?

Liviu

 Jim




 On 14-03-27 07:02 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

 On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 2:17 PM, James A.R. Koehler
 jim.koeh...@usask.ca wrote:

 Hi,

  Yes, I tried that and got exactly the same result.  Last night,
 I
 installed the Windows version of Lyx on a WIndows XP virtual machine and
 it
 all installed and ran correctly.  However, I do not want to use it that
 way;
 I want to run the Linux version.  I need to edit some material I wrote a
 few
 years ago so this is very frustrating.

  The .lyx/layouts directory is completely empty and, indeed, so are
 all
 the other sub-directories under .lyx

 Then you can simply try to mv ~/.lyx ~/.lyx.bak and then restart LyX.

 Liviu


  Jim



 On 14-03-26 11:36 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

 On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 11:00 PM, James A.R. Koehler
 jim.koeh...@usask.ca wrote:

 I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a
 32-bit
 version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In both
 cases,
 when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or via the
 .deb
 repository, it installs without any classes or layouts; i.e., it is not
 very

 Have you tried installing from the PPA?

 https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/release


 Liviu

 useful.  If I try to read the User Manual, it comes up with an error
 saying
 it cannot find the appropriate class to display the data.  Catch 22.

 In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other
 years,
 the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!

 Jim








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beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1 - bad experience

[Csikos Bela]

Hello:

I tried beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1.

Unfortunately I have to say that handling of frames is worse than in lyx 2.0.

There is no frame end option and no indication of frame ends -- must look at 
the source. Furthermore after adding a subtitle and frame content resulted in 
content going after \endframe. Sorry to say but this is not improvement but 
regression.

Very frustrating.

bcsikos425



beamer-lyx2.0.1rc1.lyx
Description: Binary data

Re: beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1 - bad experience

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

2014-03-27 17:09 GMT+01:00 Csikos Bela:

 Hello:

 I tried beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1.

 Unfortunately I have to say that handling of frames is worse than in lyx
 2.0.

 There is no frame end option and no indication of frame ends -- must look
 at the source. Furthermore after adding a subtitle and frame content
 resulted in content going after \endframe. Sorry to say but this is not
 improvement but regression.

 Very frustrating.


I suggest you read Help  Beamer Presentations, where the new interface is
described. Expecially read the section on nesting.

It was not a goal in itself to change the user interface, but it was
unavoidable to overcome many serious flaws of LyX's beamer support. So I am
afraid you'll have to get used to the new interface.

Jürgen




 bcsikos425

Re: Templates from LyX-207-Bundle-3 Windows Installer

[Alex Vergara Gil]

- Original Message - 
From: José Alejandro Lugo García jal...@uci.cu


-In Ubuntu repositories there are full LaTeX engine? If so, I will think 
about migrate completely and use LyX on that enviroment. Actually I 'm not 
doing that because the problem I have with accent in LyX version 2.0.2 
from my Ubuntu 12.04 already installed on my machine. But, if at Ubuntu 
14.04 will be put a latest version that solve most of my current problems 
then yes, I would love to use LyX on Ubuntu OS.


Bests,

José.


The accents problem is not a lyx issue, but wrong keyboard configuration, so 
even if you upgrade to the newest OS you will remain with that problem, so I 
recommend you to check your keyboard layouth been in spanish, any version 
(traditional sort, Latin American sort or Spain sort). That problem will 
vanish then. Even if you have an english keyboard you will have access to 
accents there.


Best
Alex 

Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[James A.R. Koehler]

No, that has 192 files in it.


On 14-03-27 09:02 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

Please use Reply All to keep the discussion on the list.


On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:50 PM, James A.R. Koehler
jim.koeh...@usask.ca wrote:

Hi,

 I did that and it just recreates all those same empty directories.


Actually the layouts directories that matter are (usually) in
/usr/share/lyx/layouts . Is that empty, too?

Liviu


Jim




On 14-03-27 07:02 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 2:17 PM, James A.R. Koehler
jim.koeh...@usask.ca wrote:

Hi,

  Yes, I tried that and got exactly the same result.  Last night,
I
installed the Windows version of Lyx on a WIndows XP virtual machine and
it
all installed and ran correctly.  However, I do not want to use it that
way;
I want to run the Linux version.  I need to edit some material I wrote a
few
years ago so this is very frustrating.

  The .lyx/layouts directory is completely empty and, indeed, so are
all
the other sub-directories under .lyx


Then you can simply try to mv ~/.lyx ~/.lyx.bak and then restart LyX.

Liviu



  Jim



On 14-03-26 11:36 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 11:00 PM, James A.R. Koehler
jim.koeh...@usask.ca wrote:

I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a
32-bit
version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In both
cases,
when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or via the
.deb
repository, it installs without any classes or layouts; i.e., it is not
very


Have you tried installing from the PPA?

https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/release


Liviu


useful.  If I try to read the User Manual, it comes up with an error
saying
it cannot find the appropriate class to display the data.  Catch 22.

In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other
years,
the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!

Jim

Re: beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1 - bad experience

[Csikos Bela]

Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org írta:
2014-03-27 17:09 GMT+01:00 Csikos Bela:

Hello:

I tried beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1.

Unfortunately I have to say that handling of frames is worse than in lyx 2.0.

There is no frame end option and no indication of frame ends -- must look at 
the
source. Furthermore after adding a subtitle and frame content resulted in 
content going
after \endframe. Sorry to say but this is not improvement but regression.


Very frustrating.

I suggest you read Help  Beamer Presentations, where the new interface is 
described.
Expecially read the section on quot;nestingquot;.It was not a goal in itself 
to change
the user interface, but it was unavoidable to overcome many serious flaws of
LyX#39;s beamer support. So I am afraid you#39;ll have to get used to the new
interface.

Thank you.

Unfortunately I don't have the manual you referenced under Help menu.
(lyx-2.0.1rc1 built on openSUSE 12.2 linux)

See my help menu items here:

http://i58.tinypic.com/29x81tz.jpg

Is there other (online) place where it is available?

Thanks,

bcsikos425

Re: beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1 - bad experience

[Richard Heck]

On 03/27/2014 12:46 PM, Csikos Bela wrote:

Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org írta:

2014-03-27 17:09 GMT+01:00 Csikos Bela:

Hello:

I tried beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1.

Unfortunately I have to say that handling of frames is worse than in lyx 2.0.

There is no frame end option and no indication of frame ends -- must look at the
source. Furthermore after adding a subtitle and frame content resulted in 
content going
after \endframe. Sorry to say but this is not improvement but regression.


Very frustrating.

I suggest you read Help  Beamer Presentations, where the new interface is 
described.
Expecially read the section on quot;nestingquot;.It was not a goal in itself 
to change
the user interface, but it was unavoidable to overcome many serious flaws of
LyX#39;s beamer support. So I am afraid you#39;ll have to get used to the new
interface.

Thank you.

Unfortunately I don't have the manual you referenced under Help menu.
(lyx-2.0.1rc1 built on openSUSE 12.2 linux)

See my help menu items here:

http://i58.tinypic.com/29x81tz.jpg

Is there other (online) place where it is available?


You're missing quite a lot of the manuals. Did you customize the menu 
items at some point? Have a look at ~/.lyx/ui/ (or whatever your userdir 
is). Are there files in there?


In any event, you must have this file in your installation. Look for 
beamer.lyx, probably somewhere like /usr/local/share/lyx/lib/examples/.


Richard

Re: beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1 - bad experience

[Csikos Bela]

Richard Heck rgh...@lyx.org írta:
On 03/27/2014 12:46 PM, Csikos Bela wrote:
 Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org írta:
 2014-03-27 17:09 GMT+01:00 Csikos Bela:

 Hello:

 I tried beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1.

 Unfortunately I have to say that handling of frames is worse than in lyx 
 2.0.

 There is no frame end option and no indication of frame ends -- must look 
 at the
 source. Furthermore after adding a subtitle and frame content resulted in 
 content
going
 after \endframe. Sorry to say but this is not improvement but regression.


 Very frustrating.
 I suggest you read Help  Beamer Presentations, where the new interface is
described.
 Expecially read the section on quot;nestingquot;.It was not a goal in 
 itself to
change
 the user interface, but it was unavoidable to overcome many serious flaws of
 LyX#39;s beamer support. So I am afraid you#39;ll have to get used to the 
 new
 interface.
 Thank you.

 Unfortunately I don't have the manual you referenced under Help menu.
 (lyx-2.0.1rc1 built on openSUSE 12.2 linux)

 See my help menu items here:

 http://i58.tinypic.com/29x81tz.jpg

 Is there other (online) place where it is available?

You're missing quite a lot of the manuals. Did you customize the menu 
items at some point? Have a look at ~/.lyx/ui/ (or whatever your userdir 
is). Are there files in there?

Yes I customized it (copied items here from lyx 2.0 userdir).

I removed those items and now I have more menu items.

How can I have my customized items and all the menus is a later question.


In any event, you must have this file in your installation. Look for 
beamer.lyx, probably somewhere like /usr/local/share/lyx/lib/examples/.


I found it. Thanks.

Back to the beamer module and nesting. This is an example workflow:

1. I start a frame using/selecting frame. Fill the frame title. Press enter.

2. Write frame content. The style still show 'frame'. Is that normal?

3. I manually change content to standard style. This results in appearance 
another frame 

below content. Is this normal?

4. I increase depth for content. Content becomes indented and previously 
appeared 

frame disappears. Press enter. Style becomes 'frame' again.

5.  I apply style separator. Frame is ended, new frame appears below.

6. Now I try to insert a subtitle. Move the cursor to the end of title, press 
enter.

7. Select/apply style 'frame subtitle'. Content below becomes unindented. I 
enter frame 

subtitle text. I increase dept for frame subtitle. Content remains unindented.

8. I have to increase depth again for content if I want it to stay part of the 
frame.

That is, inserting a subtitle afterwards, messes the whole frame content, and I 
have to 

start over increasing depth. Is this really what we want?

Or do I do something wrong?

Thanks,

bcsikos

Re: beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1 - bad experience

[Richard Heck]

On 03/27/2014 01:51 PM, Csikos Bela wrote:

Richard Heck rgh...@lyx.org írta:
You're missing quite a lot of the manuals. Did you customize the menu 
items at some point? Have a look at ~/.lyx/ui/ (or whatever your 
userdir is). Are there files in there? 

Yes I customized it (copied items here from lyx 2.0 userdir).

I removed those items and now I have more menu items.

How can I have my customized items and all the menus is a later question.


Unfortunately, the only way to do this is to re-do your customizations. 
(To make it slightly easier, you could  make a diff against the original 
2.0 files and then patch the new one.)


Richard

Re: beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1 - bad experience

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

2014-03-27 18:51 GMT+01:00 Csikos Bela:

 Back to the beamer module and nesting. This is an example workflow:

 1. I start a frame using/selecting frame. Fill the frame title. Press
 enter.

 2. Write frame content. The style still show 'frame'. Is that normal?


Yes. The frame is a normal environment and behaves like a normal
environment now.


 3. I manually change content to standard style. This results in appearance
 another frame

 below content. Is this normal?


No, this is not a frame. The paragraph is outside the frame (which might
be well intended, but usually is not what you want). This is explained in
the LyX Beamer manual.

However, it is suggested to stick with frame instead of using a nested
Standard paragraph. This makes things way easier.


 4. I increase depth for content. Content becomes indented and previously
 appeared

 frame disappears. Press enter. Style becomes 'frame' again.


No, the style should be still Standard, but nested in the frame.


 5.  I apply style separator. Frame is ended, new frame appears below.


Better use Edit  New Environment (Frame). More convenient than inserting
the separator manually.



 6. Now I try to insert a subtitle. Move the cursor to the end of title,
 press enter.

 7. Select/apply style 'frame subtitle'. Content below becomes unindented.
 I enter frame

 subtitle text. I increase dept for frame subtitle. Content remains
 unindented.

 8. I have to increase depth again for content if I want it to stay part of
 the frame.

 That is, inserting a subtitle afterwards, messes the whole frame content,
 and I have to

 start over increasing depth. Is this really what we want?

 Or do I do something wrong?


If you enter the subtitle to a frame that already has nested content, it is
like this. This is a general problem of nested LyX paragraphs.

Would you use Frame instead of nested Standard (as suggested above), things
would be easier. If you have to use nested stuff, do it like this:

However, this is certainly something that needs some polishing.

Jürgen



 Thanks,

 bcsikos

Re: beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1 - bad experience

[Csikos Bela]

Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org írta:
2014-03-27 18:51 GMT+01:00 Csikos Bela:

Back to the beamer module and nesting. This is an example workflow:

1. I start a frame using/selecting frame. Fill the frame title. Press enter.

2. Write frame content. The style still show #39;frame#39;. Is that normal?

Yes. The frame is a normal environment and behaves like a normal environment 
now.

That is, the frame environment is a standard environment placed in a frame, but 
keeps its nested status. Therefore I don't have to change it to 'standard' 
environment and nest it manually. Is this correct?

[LONG SNIP]

Based on your suggestions I created a frame with title and content with keeping 
'frame' environment for the content. Then I inserted a subtitle below the title 
(moving cursor after title, pressing enter and applying 'subtitle' 
environment). This resulted in a non-indented subtitle and messed up the frame. 
I had to manually increase depth for the subtitle.
I find it messy that I have to manually nest subtitle but I don't have to  nest 
standard frame content. Furthermore if I add list environment to the frame 
content it is not nested either, have to be indented manually. The previous 
method (in lyx 2.0, 1.6) was much more straightforward and more usable. In that 
version the nesting problem appeared only when I used the columns environment  
(and usually it drove me nuts). Now, as I see this complication have been 
extended to the whole frame composition. There must be some big advantage of 
this approach, what is it?

bcsikos

Re: Table width

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 27.03.2014 14:09, schrieb Cee Van Houten:


Yet i was trying to create a table
today which was a little bit to wide.
Lyx didnt warn me it was to wide nor
did it make any corrections itself.


This is because the table width cannot be calculated by LyX. This can only be done by LaTeX itself. 
For example the font size, the font itself, the thickness of table lines the space between table 
lines and the text can change the width in the output.


However LyX's EmbeddedObjects manual explains how the exact table width can be calculated, see its 
Appendix D.
As the exact calculation is much too complicated for daily usage, simply set the table colums to 
percentages of the column width. For example if you have a table with 3 columns and each column 
should have the same width, set each column to a width of 30 col%. I attached an example.
So the rule of thumb is to set each column to a slightly lesser width than geometrically calculated 
(30% for 3 cols, 22% for 4 cols, 47% for 2 cols etc).



and after searching the manual all i
could come up with was this:

\backslash\mbox{columnwidth}
=3\, W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+2\csot0,75\,
W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+\backslash\mbox
{arrayrulewidth}
\phantom{=\,}+5\left(2\backslash\mbox
{tabcolsep}+\backslash\mbox{arrayrulewidth}\right)
=4,5\, W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+62,4\,\mathrm{pt}
W_{\mathrm{Spalte}} 
=\frac{\backslash\mbox{columnwidth}
-62,4\,\mathrm{pt}}{4,5}


From where do you have this code? (What section of the EmbeddedObjects manual and what is your LyX 
version?)


 because MS word is much easier on that one

Really? Show me how to create a table that has automatically a page break when there iot enough 
space on the page, where you can define a different table header/footer line for each page te table 
is printed etc. LyX's longtable feature is unique I would say.
Show me how to let tables automatically float to a good-looking position in the document. This 
floating concept is one of the major advantages compared to Word, LibreOffice etc.
LyX is not perfect but you will notice that the working speed you can get with LyX will be greater 
than with Word.

Also check out the new LyX 2.1 that comes out around April, 5:
http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX21
we have improved the table handling a bit.

regards Uwe


TableTest.lyx
Description: application/lyx

Re: Templates from LyX-207-Bundle-3 Windows Installer

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 27.03.2014 15:49, schrieb José Alejandro Lugo García:


Thanks for your very explicit and clear explanation :) About LaTeX engine for 
Windows (2GB), of course is very large.


Hello José,

2 GB is only necessary if you install ALL things that LaTeX offers. LyX needs only about 70 MB. 
Therefore install LyX once while you are connected to the Internet and you will get automatically 
all LaTeX-packages used by LyX.
Note that you can alternatively also install LyX while not being connected to the Internet. Then go 
afterwards to the University or an Internet Café, connect to the Internet start LyX and then use the 
menu Tools- Reconfigure. Then LyX also tries to download and install all necessary LaTeX-packages 
from the Internet. (That can take a while as I wrote.)



-What version of LyX the team think to put on Ubuntu 14.04 repositories?


That is not our decision. The Ubuntu people decides what LyX version they take. You can nevertheless 
download a LyX Ubuntu-package from LyX itself:

http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/LyXOnUbuntu#toc3


-In Ubuntu repositories there are full LaTeX engine?


Not that I know. They also only offer by default a subset of all available 
LaTeX-packages.
(However I am on Windows only and cannot say it more precisely.)

regards Uwe

Re: beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1 - bad experience

[Liviu Andronic]

On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 9:37 PM, Csikos Bela bcsikos...@freemail.hu wrote:
 Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org írta:
2014-03-27 18:51 GMT+01:00 Csikos Bela:

Back to the beamer module and nesting. This is an example workflow:

1. I start a frame using/selecting frame. Fill the frame title. Press enter.

2. Write frame content. The style still show #39;frame#39;. Is that normal?

Yes. The frame is a normal environment and behaves like a normal environment 
now.

 That is, the frame environment is a standard environment placed in a frame, 
 but keeps its nested status. Therefore I don't have to change it to 
 'standard' environment and nest it manually. Is this correct?

 [LONG SNIP]

 Based on your suggestions I created a frame with title and content with 
 keeping 'frame' environment for the content. Then I inserted a subtitle below 
 the title (moving cursor after title, pressing enter and applying 'subtitle' 
 environment). This resulted in a non-indented subtitle and messed up the 
 frame. I had to manually increase depth for the subtitle.
 I find it messy that I have to manually nest subtitle but I don't have to  
 nest standard frame content. Furthermore if I add list environment to the 
 frame content it is not nested either, have to be indented manually. The 
 previous method (in lyx 2.0, 1.6) was much more straightforward and more 
 usable. In that version the nesting problem appeared only when I used the 
 columns environment  (and usually it drove me nuts). Now, as I see this 
 complication have been extended to the whole frame composition. There must be 
 some big advantage of this approach, what is it?

Native beamer support. Check View  Source.

Liviu


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Re: beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1 - bad experience

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

2014-03-27 21:37 GMT+01:00 Csikos Bela:

  That is, the frame environment is a standard environment placed in a
 frame, but keeps its nested status. Therefore I don't have to change it to
 'standard' environment and nest it manually. Is this correct?


Not quite. The frame environment is a frame environment. It can consists of
several paragraphs, but only one frame title, which is normally given in
the first line. It behaves exatly as any other environment now. If you use,
to stick with the beamer class, an example or block environment, it is
conceptually the same than the frame environment. You do not change the
paragraph style of a block environment to Standard and nest it, do you?
Neither don't you change the content of a quote environment to Standard and
nest it. So why would you want to do it with the frame environment?


 Based on your suggestions I created a frame with title and content with
 keeping 'frame' environment for the content. Then I inserted a subtitle
 below the title (moving cursor after title, pressing enter and applying
 'subtitle' environment). This resulted in a non-indented subtitle and
 messed up the frame. I had to manually increase depth for the subtitle.
 I find it messy that I have to manually nest subtitle but I don't have to
  nest standard frame content.


Look, the subtitle is a command, while the frame is an environment. In
LaTeX, it looks like this

\begin{frame}{title}
  \subtitle{Subtitle}
frame text
frame text
\end{frame}

This is conceptually the same as if you would nest a chapter within a quote
environment. You would also need to nest it.

Why is this so? Because the beamer author decided to implement it that way
(he could also have implemented it via a further optional argument, but he
didn't).

Furthermore if I add list environment to the frame content it is not nested
 either, have to be indented manually.


This is the normal way LyX treats _any_ environment. Content inside
environments must be nested. Frame was the only exception.


 The previous method (in lyx 2.0, 1.6) was much more straightforward and
 more usable. In that version the nesting problem appeared only when I used
 the columns environment  (and usually it drove me nuts). Now, as I see this
 complication have been extended to the whole frame composition. There must
 be some big advantage of this approach, what is it?


Let me put it the reverse way: What was the bid disadvantage of the old
approach? It was based on a huge, ugly, completely opaque hack. The old
frame layout in fact did not use a real beamer frame, but this hack (take
out your brown paper bag):

\long\def\lyxframe#1{\@lyxframe#1\@lyxframestop}%
\def\@lyxframe{\@ifnextchar{\@@lyxframe}{\@@lyxframe*}}%
\def\@@lyxframe#1{\@ifnextchar[{\@@@lyxframe#1}{\@@@lyxframe#1[]}}

\def\@@@lyxframe#1[{\@ifnextchar{\@lyxframe#1[}{\lyxframe#1[*][}}

\def\@lyxframe#1[#2]{\@ifnextchar[{\lyxframe#1[#2]}{\lyxframe#1[#2][]}}
\long\def\lyxframe#1[#2][#3]#4\@lyxframestop#5\lyxframeend{%
  \frame#1[#2][#3]{\frametitle{#4}#5}}

And plainframe:

\long\def\lyxplainframe#1{\@lyxplainframe#1\@lyxframestop}%

\def\@lyxplainframe{\@ifnextchar{\@@lyxplainframe}{\@@lyxplainframe*}}%
\long\def\@@lyxplainframe#1#2\@lyxframestop#3\lyxframeend{%
  \frame#1[plain]{\frametitle{#2}#3}}

And againframe:

\long\def\lyxagainframe#1{\@lyxagainframe#1\@lyxframestop}%

\def\@lyxagainframe{\@ifnextchar{\@@lyxagainframe}{\@@lyxagainframe*}}%

\def\@@lyxagainframe#1{\@ifnextchar[{\@@@lyxagainframe#1}{\@@@lyxagainframe#1[]}}
\long\def\@@@lyxagainframe#1[#2]#3\@lyxframestop{%
  \againframe#1[#2]{#3}}

Do you understand these definitions? No? Good: Me neither. No LyX developer
does. Not even the current beamer developers do. It was written many years
ago by the original beamer developer (who is not active anymore) just for
the sake of the LyX user interface.

The problem with this definition, apart from its opaqueness, is that it is
a dead end street. Nobody knows how long it will continue to work as beamer
is developed further. It was the reason that LyX could not support many
beamer features (fragile frame was not supported at all, beamer handout
could only be supported in a very limited way, only a subset of frame
options could be supported, optional arguments did not work, and so on and
so forth). All these problems were unfixable on the basis of the old
approach.

And finally, LyX exported nonstandard LaTeX output. With the old layout,
you got this LyXism in the LaTeX export:

 \lyxframeend{}\lyxframe{Frame title}


Frame content



\lyxframeend{}



With LyX 2.1, you get _proper_ LaTeX output:


\begin{frame}{Frame title}


Frame content


\end{frame}



I completely understand that it is demanding to get used to a new UI when
you were used to the old one. I felt the same. But I can assure you, that
you can get used to it. And then, the new UI is just introduced. As LyX
develops, it will be imporved.

longbilbiography in revtex doesn't seem to work

[Gozat]

Dear all, 

The class option longbilbiography is supposed to add the title in the 
bilbliography when using RevTeX class. I noticed this option is not working, 
though. Is there an explanation for this ? 

What I tried so far (Lyx version 2.0.7 on MacOs 10.9.2) : 
Below the bibliography styles I tried:
 - apsrmp4-1
 - apsrev4-1 
 - aipauth4-1
 - aipnum4-1
all in document-class RevTeX4 and for 
 - aps
 - aip
 - rmp 
class-options

Thanks in advance for any support.

Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Vincent van Ravesteijn v...@lyx.org wrote:
 Public release of LyX version 2.1.0rc1
 

Ubuntu packages are now available from the PPA:
https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/daily/+packages


Liviu


 We are proud to announce the first release candidate of the new
 LyX 2.1 series.

 With this release, LyX celebrates 18 years of existence. The 2.1 series
 has a rich set of new features compared to the current stable series.

 LyX 2.1.0rc1 is the culmination of three years of hard work.
 This release is meant for testing before we actually release LyX 2.1.

 An overview of the new features can be found here:
   http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX21

 You can download LyX 2.1.0rc1 from ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/.

 We hope you will enjoy the result!

 The file RELEASE-NOTES lists some known issues and problems compared
 to the current stable releases (LyX 2.0.x). We strongly recommend that
 packagers of LyX on various platforms and distributions read this file.

 As with any major release, this one comes with lot of new features but
 also some bugs. If you think you have found a bug in LyX 2.1.0rc1,
 either email the LyX developers' mailing list (lyx-devel at lists.lyx.org),
 or open a bug report at http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki/BugTrackerHome.

 If you have trouble using LyX or have a question, consult the
 documentation that comes with LyX (under Help) and the LyX wiki, which you
 will find at http://wiki.lyx.org/. You can also send email to the LyX users'
 list (lyx-users at lists.lyx.org).

 The LyX team.
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Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 11:00 PM, James A.R. Koehler
jim.koeh...@usask.ca wrote:
 I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a 32-bit
 version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In both cases,
 when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or via the .deb
 repository, it installs without any classes or layouts; i.e., it is not very

Have you tried installing from the PPA?

https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/release


Liviu

 useful.  If I try to read the User Manual, it comes up with an error saying
 it cannot find the appropriate class to display the data.  Catch 22.

 In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other years,
 the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!

 Jim




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Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Daniel CLEMENT]

Le mercredi 26 mars 2014 à 15:00 -0700, James A.R. Koehler a écrit :
 I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a 
 32-bit version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In 
 both cases, when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or 
 via the .deb repository, it installs without any classes or layouts; 
 i.e., it is not very useful.  

I have a brand new live USB (persistent) install of LM16, where LyX is
installed from Synaptic. I was able to observe but partly what you
describe. 

1. There are indeed some classes missing, but on top of the list under
Document  Parameters there's a good 20+ choice of basic document
classes. Aren't the ones you miss in texlive-formats-extra or
texlive-publishers?

 If I try to read the User Manual, it comes 
 up with an error saying it cannot find the appropriate class to display 
 the data.  Catch 22.

2. I had different errors. First it complained about enumitem.sty not
found. This could be solved by installing texlive-latex-extra (not here
by default). Still, there's another error: No information to convert
files from eps format to pdf format. Define a converter under
preferences. 

 In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other 
 years, the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!

Granted, I never had to do that under any other LyX install.

FWIW, under Linux Mint Debian, there's no such problems.

 
 Jim
 

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Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Liviu Andronic]

On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Daniel CLEMENT dcleme...@laposte.net wrote:
 Le mercredi 26 mars 2014 à 15:00 -0700, James A.R. Koehler a écrit :
 I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a
 32-bit version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In
 both cases, when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or
 via the .deb repository, it installs without any classes or layouts;
 i.e., it is not very useful.

 I have a brand new live USB (persistent) install of LM16, where LyX is
 installed from Synaptic. I was able to observe but partly what you
 describe.

 1. There are indeed some classes missing, but on top of the list under
 Document  Parameters there's a good 20+ choice of basic document
 classes. Aren't the ones you miss in texlive-formats-extra or
 texlive-publishers?

OK, this sounds more like LaTeX classes are missing (and NOT LyX
layout files). Which means that re-installing LyX is of no
consequence. You should perform a full installation of TeX Live. You
may as well start by installing 'texlive-full', but beware that this
is likely to be a monstrous download.

Liviu



 If I try to read the User Manual, it comes
 up with an error saying it cannot find the appropriate class to display
 the data.  Catch 22.

 2. I had different errors. First it complained about enumitem.sty not
 found. This could be solved by installing texlive-latex-extra (not here
 by default). Still, there's another error: No information to convert
 files from eps format to pdf format. Define a converter under
 preferences.

 In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other
 years, the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!

 Granted, I never had to do that under any other LyX install.

 FWIW, under Linux Mint Debian, there's no such problems.


 Jim


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Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Daniel CLEMENT]

Le jeudi 27 mars 2014 à 08:48 +0100, Liviu Andronic a écrit :
 On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Daniel CLEMENT dcleme...@laposte.net wrote:
  Le mercredi 26 mars 2014 à 15:00 -0700, James A.R. Koehler a écrit :
  I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a
  32-bit version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In
  both cases, when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or
  via the .deb repository, it installs without any classes or layouts;
  i.e., it is not very useful.
 
  I have a brand new live USB (persistent) install of LM16, where LyX is
  installed from Synaptic. I was able to observe but partly what you
  describe.
 
  1. There are indeed some classes missing, but on top of the list under
  Document  Parameters there's a good 20+ choice of basic document
  classes. Aren't the ones you miss in texlive-formats-extra or
  texlive-publishers?
 
 OK, this sounds more like LaTeX classes are missing (and NOT LyX
 layout files). 

Certainly.

 Which means that re-installing LyX is of no
 consequence. You should perform a full installation of TeX Live. You
 may as well start by installing 'texlive-full', but beware that this
 is likely to be a monstrous download.

Ouch! texlive-full... I wouldn't try that on a live-USB _persistent_
setup: if the persistence file ever becomes full, it locks the whole
system and one can only restart from scratch (all settings lost...)

OTTH, on a regular install, why not? Yet, it would be better if LyX
marked as dependencies just the LaTeX packages needed for previewing the
manuals.

Yet, the missing converter issue below is odd: is that related to a
LaTeX package?

 
 Liviu
 
 
 
  If I try to read the User Manual, it comes
  up with an error saying it cannot find the appropriate class to display
  the data.  Catch 22.
 
  2. I had different errors. First it complained about enumitem.sty not
  found. This could be solved by installing texlive-latex-extra (not here
  by default). Still, there's another error: No information to convert
  files from eps format to pdf format. Define a converter under
  preferences.
 
  In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other
  years, the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!
 
  Granted, I never had to do that under any other LyX install.
 
  FWIW, under Linux Mint Debian, there's no such problems.
 
 
  Jim
 
 
  --
  Daniel CLEMENT
 
 
 

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Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)

[Paola Manzini]

Hi guys,

first of all thanks for your efforts, it does look great! However I am 
still frustrated in using it on my device with a high resolution screen 
(Windows), as the icons are too small (the problem that I highlighted here:

http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.editors.lyx.general/81497

but was unable to solve on my own): any chance this could be solved in 
2.1 final release? I am sure I am not alone with this problem, and from 
the release notes it seems this issue is still there.


Thanks again,
Paola

On 26/03/2014 21:41, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:

Public release of LyX version 2.1.0rc1


We are proud to announce the first release candidate of the new
LyX 2.1 series.

With this release, LyX celebrates 18 years of existence. The 2.1 series
has a rich set of new features compared to the current stable series.

LyX 2.1.0rc1 is the culmination of three years of hard work.
This release is meant for testing before we actually release LyX 2.1.

An overview of the new features can be found here:
  http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX21

You can download LyX 2.1.0rc1 from ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/.

We hope you will enjoy the result!

The file RELEASE-NOTES lists some known issues and problems compared
to the current stable releases (LyX 2.0.x). We strongly recommend that
packagers of LyX on various platforms and distributions read this file.

As with any major release, this one comes with lot of new features but
also some bugs. If you think you have found a bug in LyX 2.1.0rc1,
either email the LyX developers' mailing list (lyx-devel at 
lists.lyx.org),

or open a bug report at http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki/BugTrackerHome.

If you have trouble using LyX or have a question, consult the
documentation that comes with LyX (under Help) and the LyX wiki, which 
you
will find at http://wiki.lyx.org/. You can also send email to the LyX 
users'

list (lyx-users at lists.lyx.org).

The LyX team.
http://www.lyx.org



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Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)

[William Seager]

On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 22:41:50 Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:
 We are proud to announce the first release candidate of the new
 LyX 2.1 series.

great news - but I've been bitten before by incompatibility
of formats between versions. Does 2.1rc1 permit export
to old lyx versions? 

thanks,
-- 
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University of Toronto Scarborough
www.utsc.utoronto.ca/~seager

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to account for than the right we conceive men 
to have to dispose of their goods after death.

Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 7:34 AM, William Seager sea...@utsc.utoronto.ca wrote:
 On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 22:41:50 Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:
 We are proud to announce the first release candidate of the new
 LyX 2.1 series.

 great news - but I've been bitten before by incompatibility
 of formats between versions. Does 2.1rc1 permit export
 to old lyx versions?

Yes. You can do File  Export  LyX 2.0.x. You can even export to LyX
1.y.x if you go to File  Export  More Formats  Options. There are
also easy commands on the command line to convert a LyX 2.1 file to a
LyX 2.0.x file.

Best,

Scott

Table width

[Cee Van Houten]

In the manual i was told a thousand times 
that with lyx i could focus on 
the content, not on the layout... 
which sounded great. 
Yet i was trying to create a table 
today which was a little bit to wide. 
Lyx didnt warn me it was to wide nor 
did it make any corrections itself. 
and after searching the manual all i 
could come up with was this:

\backslash\mbox{columnwidth}
=3\, W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+2\csot0,75\,
W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+\backslash\mbox
{arrayrulewidth}
\phantom{=\,}+5\left(2\backslash\mbox
{tabcolsep}+\backslash\mbox{arrayrulewidth}\right)
=4,5\, W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+62,4\,\mathrm{pt}
W_{\mathrm{Spalte}} 
=\frac{\backslash\mbox{columnwidth}
-62,4\,\mathrm{pt}}{4,5}

so thats the only way to correct that 
issue without trial and error? 
are you kidding me? Or am i missing 
something? i must be, because MS word is
much easier on that one, as it 
doesnt require converting the file 
every time i made some trials.

greetings. 
 

Re: Table width

[John White]

Lyx is not for everyone.  Some are better off using a word processor, and, for 
reasons which escape me, many of those folks find it hard to wean themselves 
from Word.  Charles Dickens got by with pen and ink.

On Thursday, March 27, 2014 06:09:30 AM Cee Van Houten wrote:
 In the manual i was told a thousand times
 that with lyx i could focus on
 the content, not on the layout...
 which sounded great.
 Yet i was trying to create a table
 today which was a little bit to wide.
 Lyx didnt warn me it was to wide nor
 did it make any corrections itself.
 and after searching the manual all i
 could come up with was this:
 
 \backslash\mbox{columnwidth}
 =3\, W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+2\csot0,75\,
 W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+\backslash\mbox
 {arrayrulewidth}
 \phantom{=\,}+5\left(2\backslash\mbox
 {tabcolsep}+\backslash\mbox{arrayrulewidth}\right)
 =4,5\, W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+62,4\,\mathrm{pt}
 W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}
 =\frac{\backslash\mbox{columnwidth}
 -62,4\,\mathrm{pt}}{4,5}
 
 so thats the only way to correct that
 issue without trial and error?
 are you kidding me? Or am i missing
 something? i must be, because MS word is
 much easier on that one, as it
 doesnt require converting the file
 every time i made some trials.
 
 greetings.

Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Liviu Andronic]

On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 2:17 PM, James A.R. Koehler
jim.koeh...@usask.ca wrote:
 Hi,

 Yes, I tried that and got exactly the same result.  Last night, I
 installed the Windows version of Lyx on a WIndows XP virtual machine and it
 all installed and ran correctly.  However, I do not want to use it that way;
 I want to run the Linux version.  I need to edit some material I wrote a few
 years ago so this is very frustrating.

 The .lyx/layouts directory is completely empty and, indeed, so are all
 the other sub-directories under .lyx

Then you can simply try to mv ~/.lyx ~/.lyx.bak and then restart LyX.

Liviu


 Jim



 On 14-03-26 11:36 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

 On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 11:00 PM, James A.R. Koehler
 jim.koeh...@usask.ca wrote:

 I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a
 32-bit
 version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In both cases,
 when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or via the .deb
 repository, it installs without any classes or layouts; i.e., it is not
 very

 Have you tried installing from the PPA?

 https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/release


 Liviu

 useful.  If I try to read the User Manual, it comes up with an error
 saying
 it cannot find the appropriate class to display the data.  Catch 22.

 In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other
 years,
 the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!

 Jim







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Re: Table width

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Le 27/03/14 14:09, Cee Van Houten a écrit :

Yet i was trying to create a table today which was a little bit to
wide. Lyx didnt warn me it was to wide nor did it make any
corrections itself. and after searching the manual all i could come
up with was this:

\backslash\mbox{columnwidth} =3\, W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+2\csot0,75\,
W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+\backslash\mbox {arrayrulewidth}
\phantom{=\,}+5\left(2\backslash\mbox
{tabcolsep}+\backslash\mbox{arrayrulewidth}\right) =4,5\,
W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+62,4\,\mathrm{pt} W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}
=\frac{\backslash\mbox{columnwidth} -62,4\,\mathrm{pt}}{4,5}


I am not sure where the code you pasted is coming from, but it looks 
overly scary. I don't get where these \backslash\mbox come from...



so thats the only way to correct that issue without trial and error?
are you kidding me? Or am i missing something? i must be, because MS
word is much easier on that one, as it doesnt require converting the
file every time i made some trials.


Since we do not see the file and cannot see what the problem is, we can 
only agree with you: you found out the truth, LyX is a scam ;)


Seriously, depdending on problems, there may be easy or complicated 
solutions. Personnally curse more often towards Word or PoorPoint than 
towards LyX. YMMV.


JMarc

Re: Templates from LyX-207-Bundle-3 Windows Installer

[José Alejandro Lugo García]

Hello Uwe,

Thanks for your very explicit and clear explanation :) About LaTeX engine for 
Windows (2GB), of course is very large. In that case, at work, fortunately I 
have access to full Ubuntu repositories because there is a mirror that are keep 
update constantly from internet. I know probably this questions are tricky but:

-What version of LyX the team think to put on Ubuntu 14.04 repositories? 
-In Ubuntu repositories there are full LaTeX engine? If so, I will think about 
migrate completely and use LyX on that enviroment. Actually I 'm not doing that 
because the problem I have with accent in LyX version 2.0.2 from my Ubuntu 
12.04 already installed on my machine. But, if at Ubuntu 14.04 will be put a 
latest version that solve most of my current problems then yes, I would love to 
use LyX on Ubuntu OS.

Bests,

José. 

- Mensaje original -
De: Uwe Stöhr uwesto...@web.de
Para: José Alejandro Lugo García jal...@uci.cu, lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Enviados: Miércoles, 26 de Marzo 2014 20:27:47
Asunto: Re: Templates from LyX-207-Bundle-3 Windows Installer

Am 22.03.2014 02:16, schrieb José Alejandro Lugo García:

 I don’t have the possibility of a full internet connection, so with some 
 help, I reached the LyX-207-Bundle-3 installer for Windows. Install perfect.

Hello José,

This installer version unfortunately came with a major bug that destroyed all 
shortcuts. As a 
Spanish user you are most probably affected. Please excuse for that mistake.

You have now 2 choices:
- either uninstall LyX 2.0.7 and reinstall it using this installer:
   ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/bin/2.0.7/LyX-2.0.7-Installer-4.exe
- or uninstall LyX 2.0. and install instead the brand new LyX 2.1 release 
candidate:
   
ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.1/lyx-2.1.0rc1/LyX-210RC1-Installer-1.exe

(When LyX 2.1.0 is released in about 2 weeks you can easily upgrade without the 
need to reinstall 
LyX. Just install LyX 2.1.0 over the existing LyX 2.1RC1.)

 All great until I try to open some templates from File/New from Template (see 
 “ 0 showing_templates.png”). Sadly many templates from this collection shows 
 “errors” with missing dependencies that needs to be downloaded from internet 
 (see “1 Show_error.png”).

The reason is that LyX uses a lot of packages and the LaTeX engine for Windows 
does not offer to 
install all packages at once (that would be more than 2 GB). I therefore 
recommend that you go to an 
Internet café, download there the LyX installer, keep your Internet connection 
open and install LyX 
right in the Internet Café.
The installation might take a while (up to 15 minutes, depending on your PC and 
the Internet speed) 
so just drink a coffee in the café ;-).
Finally you have a full functional LyX and can go offline. Problems as you had 
should then not occur.
Note that the installation of all the LaTeX packages is only necessary once. So 
as log as you keep 
the LateX engine MiKTeX on your PC everything should be fine after the first 
installation. 
Therefore assure that you keep MiKTeX when you uninstall LyX 2.0.7 (there is an 
option in LyX's 
uninstaller).

regards Uwe

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Re: Table width

[Cee Van Houten]

Jean-Marc Lasgouttes lasgouttes at lyx.org writes:

 
 Le 27/03/14 14:09, Cee Van Houten a écrit :
  Yet i was trying to create a table today which was a little bit to
  wide. Lyx didnt warn me it was to wide nor did it make any
  corrections itself. and after searching the manual all i could come
  up with was this:
 
  \backslash\mbox{columnwidth} =3\, W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+2\csot0,75\,
  W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+\backslash\mbox {arrayrulewidth}
  \phantom{=\,}+5\left(2\backslash\mbox
  {tabcolsep}+\backslash\mbox{arrayrulewidth}\right) =4,5\,
  W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+62,4\,\mathrm{pt} W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}
  =\frac{\backslash\mbox{columnwidth} -62,4\,\mathrm{pt}}{4,5}
 
 I am not sure where the code you pasted is coming from, but it looks 
 overly scary. I don't get where these \backslash\mbox come from...
 
  so thats the only way to correct that issue without trial and error?
  are you kidding me? Or am i missing something? i must be, because MS
  word is much easier on that one, as it doesnt require converting the
  file every time i made some trials.
 
 Since we do not see the file and cannot see what the problem is, we can 
 only agree with you: you found out the truth, LyX is a scam ;)
 
 Seriously, depdending on problems, there may be easy or complicated 
 solutions. Personnally curse more often towards Word or PoorPoint than 
 towards LyX. YMMV.
 
 JMarc
 
 


actually, i was quite satisfied with lyx so far, yet i was frustrated it
doesnt seem to be able to come up with a better solution in this case.

all i want to do is fixing a table which is too wide to display correctly
automatically by making the fonts smaller or adding word wraps or something
like that instead of just 'cutting off' the table. 

solving it by giving the coloumns fixed widths related to the page width
doesnt seem to do the trick either as a column i tested it with was far
wider then the 50% i specifed.

For some reason i couldnt even use strg+enter in a cell, and specifing every
cell i want a word wrap in as a 2-line cell isnt really userfriendly either. 


The code is from the embedded objects help file, section 2.13, german
version. 

thanks for your help. 

Re: Table width

[Cee Van Houten]

John White john at lawquest.com writes:

 
 Lyx is not for everyone.  Some are better off using a word processor, and,
for 
 reasons which escape me, many of those folks find it hard to wean themselves 
 from Word.  Charles Dickens got by with pen and ink.
 

I can see your point with latex, but lyx claims to be more comfortable to
use than word, doesnt it? at least it claimed a thousand times in the manual
i used i would have more time to focus on the content and not on the layout,
which unfortunately isnt the case with my problem. and fixing wide tables to
the page width isnt so uncommon, isnt it?
so thanks for your help... keep up the great work! o.0

Re: Table width

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

2014-03-27 16:15 GMT+01:00 Cee Van Houten:

 all i want to do is fixing a table which is too wide to display correctly
 automatically by making the fonts smaller or adding word wraps or something
 like that instead of just 'cutting off' the table.

 solving it by giving the coloumns fixed widths related to the page width
 doesnt seem to do the trick either as a column i tested it with was far
 wider then the 50% i specifed.


Note there is a space between columns which you need to take into account.
This sums up to the overall width. So make it a bit less than 50%.

In LaTeX, there is the tabularx package which solves this problem. It is
not yet natively supported by LyX (nobody stepped forward to do this). LyX
supports the tabular* environment via the Table width setting, but its
result is more often than not unsatisfactory.

HTH
Jürgen

Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Liviu Andronic]

Please use Reply All to keep the discussion on the list.


On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:50 PM, James A.R. Koehler
jim.koeh...@usask.ca wrote:
 Hi,

 I did that and it just recreates all those same empty directories.

Actually the layouts directories that matter are (usually) in
/usr/share/lyx/layouts . Is that empty, too?

Liviu

 Jim




 On 14-03-27 07:02 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

 On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 2:17 PM, James A.R. Koehler
 jim.koeh...@usask.ca wrote:

 Hi,

  Yes, I tried that and got exactly the same result.  Last night,
 I
 installed the Windows version of Lyx on a WIndows XP virtual machine and
 it
 all installed and ran correctly.  However, I do not want to use it that
 way;
 I want to run the Linux version.  I need to edit some material I wrote a
 few
 years ago so this is very frustrating.

  The .lyx/layouts directory is completely empty and, indeed, so are
 all
 the other sub-directories under .lyx

 Then you can simply try to mv ~/.lyx ~/.lyx.bak and then restart LyX.

 Liviu


  Jim



 On 14-03-26 11:36 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

 On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 11:00 PM, James A.R. Koehler
 jim.koeh...@usask.ca wrote:

 I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a
 32-bit
 version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In both
 cases,
 when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or via the
 .deb
 repository, it installs without any classes or layouts; i.e., it is not
 very

 Have you tried installing from the PPA?

 https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/release


 Liviu

 useful.  If I try to read the User Manual, it comes up with an error
 saying
 it cannot find the appropriate class to display the data.  Catch 22.

 In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other
 years,
 the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!

 Jim








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beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1 - bad experience

[Csikos Bela]

Hello:

I tried beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1.

Unfortunately I have to say that handling of frames is worse than in lyx 2.0.

There is no frame end option and no indication of frame ends -- must look at 
the source. Furthermore after adding a subtitle and frame content resulted in 
content going after \endframe. Sorry to say but this is not improvement but 
regression.

Very frustrating.

bcsikos425



beamer-lyx2.0.1rc1.lyx
Description: Binary data

Re: beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1 - bad experience

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

2014-03-27 17:09 GMT+01:00 Csikos Bela:

 Hello:

 I tried beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1.

 Unfortunately I have to say that handling of frames is worse than in lyx
 2.0.

 There is no frame end option and no indication of frame ends -- must look
 at the source. Furthermore after adding a subtitle and frame content
 resulted in content going after \endframe. Sorry to say but this is not
 improvement but regression.

 Very frustrating.


I suggest you read Help  Beamer Presentations, where the new interface is
described. Expecially read the section on nesting.

It was not a goal in itself to change the user interface, but it was
unavoidable to overcome many serious flaws of LyX's beamer support. So I am
afraid you'll have to get used to the new interface.

Jürgen




 bcsikos425

Re: Templates from LyX-207-Bundle-3 Windows Installer

[Alex Vergara Gil]

- Original Message - 
From: José Alejandro Lugo García jal...@uci.cu


-In Ubuntu repositories there are full LaTeX engine? If so, I will think 
about migrate completely and use LyX on that enviroment. Actually I 'm not 
doing that because the problem I have with accent in LyX version 2.0.2 
from my Ubuntu 12.04 already installed on my machine. But, if at Ubuntu 
14.04 will be put a latest version that solve most of my current problems 
then yes, I would love to use LyX on Ubuntu OS.


Bests,

José.


The accents problem is not a lyx issue, but wrong keyboard configuration, so 
even if you upgrade to the newest OS you will remain with that problem, so I 
recommend you to check your keyboard layouth been in spanish, any version 
(traditional sort, Latin American sort or Spain sort). That problem will 
vanish then. Even if you have an english keyboard you will have access to 
accents there.


Best
Alex 

Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[James A.R. Koehler]

No, that has 192 files in it.


On 14-03-27 09:02 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

Please use Reply All to keep the discussion on the list.


On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:50 PM, James A.R. Koehler
jim.koeh...@usask.ca wrote:

Hi,

 I did that and it just recreates all those same empty directories.


Actually the layouts directories that matter are (usually) in
/usr/share/lyx/layouts . Is that empty, too?

Liviu


Jim




On 14-03-27 07:02 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 2:17 PM, James A.R. Koehler
jim.koeh...@usask.ca wrote:

Hi,

  Yes, I tried that and got exactly the same result.  Last night,
I
installed the Windows version of Lyx on a WIndows XP virtual machine and
it
all installed and ran correctly.  However, I do not want to use it that
way;
I want to run the Linux version.  I need to edit some material I wrote a
few
years ago so this is very frustrating.

  The .lyx/layouts directory is completely empty and, indeed, so are
all
the other sub-directories under .lyx


Then you can simply try to mv ~/.lyx ~/.lyx.bak and then restart LyX.

Liviu



  Jim



On 14-03-26 11:36 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 11:00 PM, James A.R. Koehler
jim.koeh...@usask.ca wrote:

I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a
32-bit
version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In both
cases,
when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or via the
.deb
repository, it installs without any classes or layouts; i.e., it is not
very


Have you tried installing from the PPA?

https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/release


Liviu


useful.  If I try to read the User Manual, it comes up with an error
saying
it cannot find the appropriate class to display the data.  Catch 22.

In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other
years,
the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!

Jim

Re: beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1 - bad experience

[Csikos Bela]

Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org írta:
2014-03-27 17:09 GMT+01:00 Csikos Bela:

Hello:

I tried beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1.

Unfortunately I have to say that handling of frames is worse than in lyx 2.0.

There is no frame end option and no indication of frame ends -- must look at 
the
source. Furthermore after adding a subtitle and frame content resulted in 
content going
after \endframe. Sorry to say but this is not improvement but regression.


Very frustrating.

I suggest you read Help  Beamer Presentations, where the new interface is 
described.
Expecially read the section on quot;nestingquot;.It was not a goal in itself 
to change
the user interface, but it was unavoidable to overcome many serious flaws of
LyX#39;s beamer support. So I am afraid you#39;ll have to get used to the new
interface.

Thank you.

Unfortunately I don't have the manual you referenced under Help menu.
(lyx-2.0.1rc1 built on openSUSE 12.2 linux)

See my help menu items here:

http://i58.tinypic.com/29x81tz.jpg

Is there other (online) place where it is available?

Thanks,

bcsikos425

Re: beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1 - bad experience

[Richard Heck]

On 03/27/2014 12:46 PM, Csikos Bela wrote:

Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org írta:

2014-03-27 17:09 GMT+01:00 Csikos Bela:

Hello:

I tried beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1.

Unfortunately I have to say that handling of frames is worse than in lyx 2.0.

There is no frame end option and no indication of frame ends -- must look at the
source. Furthermore after adding a subtitle and frame content resulted in 
content going
after \endframe. Sorry to say but this is not improvement but regression.


Very frustrating.

I suggest you read Help  Beamer Presentations, where the new interface is 
described.
Expecially read the section on quot;nestingquot;.It was not a goal in itself 
to change
the user interface, but it was unavoidable to overcome many serious flaws of
LyX#39;s beamer support. So I am afraid you#39;ll have to get used to the new
interface.

Thank you.

Unfortunately I don't have the manual you referenced under Help menu.
(lyx-2.0.1rc1 built on openSUSE 12.2 linux)

See my help menu items here:

http://i58.tinypic.com/29x81tz.jpg

Is there other (online) place where it is available?


You're missing quite a lot of the manuals. Did you customize the menu 
items at some point? Have a look at ~/.lyx/ui/ (or whatever your userdir 
is). Are there files in there?


In any event, you must have this file in your installation. Look for 
beamer.lyx, probably somewhere like /usr/local/share/lyx/lib/examples/.


Richard

Re: beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1 - bad experience

[Csikos Bela]

Richard Heck rgh...@lyx.org írta:
On 03/27/2014 12:46 PM, Csikos Bela wrote:
 Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org írta:
 2014-03-27 17:09 GMT+01:00 Csikos Bela:

 Hello:

 I tried beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1.

 Unfortunately I have to say that handling of frames is worse than in lyx 
 2.0.

 There is no frame end option and no indication of frame ends -- must look 
 at the
 source. Furthermore after adding a subtitle and frame content resulted in 
 content
going
 after \endframe. Sorry to say but this is not improvement but regression.


 Very frustrating.
 I suggest you read Help  Beamer Presentations, where the new interface is
described.
 Expecially read the section on quot;nestingquot;.It was not a goal in 
 itself to
change
 the user interface, but it was unavoidable to overcome many serious flaws of
 LyX#39;s beamer support. So I am afraid you#39;ll have to get used to the 
 new
 interface.
 Thank you.

 Unfortunately I don't have the manual you referenced under Help menu.
 (lyx-2.0.1rc1 built on openSUSE 12.2 linux)

 See my help menu items here:

 http://i58.tinypic.com/29x81tz.jpg

 Is there other (online) place where it is available?

You're missing quite a lot of the manuals. Did you customize the menu 
items at some point? Have a look at ~/.lyx/ui/ (or whatever your userdir 
is). Are there files in there?

Yes I customized it (copied items here from lyx 2.0 userdir).

I removed those items and now I have more menu items.

How can I have my customized items and all the menus is a later question.


In any event, you must have this file in your installation. Look for 
beamer.lyx, probably somewhere like /usr/local/share/lyx/lib/examples/.


I found it. Thanks.

Back to the beamer module and nesting. This is an example workflow:

1. I start a frame using/selecting frame. Fill the frame title. Press enter.

2. Write frame content. The style still show 'frame'. Is that normal?

3. I manually change content to standard style. This results in appearance 
another frame 

below content. Is this normal?

4. I increase depth for content. Content becomes indented and previously 
appeared 

frame disappears. Press enter. Style becomes 'frame' again.

5.  I apply style separator. Frame is ended, new frame appears below.

6. Now I try to insert a subtitle. Move the cursor to the end of title, press 
enter.

7. Select/apply style 'frame subtitle'. Content below becomes unindented. I 
enter frame 

subtitle text. I increase dept for frame subtitle. Content remains unindented.

8. I have to increase depth again for content if I want it to stay part of the 
frame.

That is, inserting a subtitle afterwards, messes the whole frame content, and I 
have to 

start over increasing depth. Is this really what we want?

Or do I do something wrong?

Thanks,

bcsikos

Re: beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1 - bad experience

[Richard Heck]

On 03/27/2014 01:51 PM, Csikos Bela wrote:

Richard Heck rgh...@lyx.org írta:
You're missing quite a lot of the manuals. Did you customize the menu 
items at some point? Have a look at ~/.lyx/ui/ (or whatever your 
userdir is). Are there files in there? 

Yes I customized it (copied items here from lyx 2.0 userdir).

I removed those items and now I have more menu items.

How can I have my customized items and all the menus is a later question.


Unfortunately, the only way to do this is to re-do your customizations. 
(To make it slightly easier, you could  make a diff against the original 
2.0 files and then patch the new one.)


Richard

Re: beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1 - bad experience

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

2014-03-27 18:51 GMT+01:00 Csikos Bela:

 Back to the beamer module and nesting. This is an example workflow:

 1. I start a frame using/selecting frame. Fill the frame title. Press
 enter.

 2. Write frame content. The style still show 'frame'. Is that normal?


Yes. The frame is a normal environment and behaves like a normal
environment now.


 3. I manually change content to standard style. This results in appearance
 another frame

 below content. Is this normal?


No, this is not a frame. The paragraph is outside the frame (which might
be well intended, but usually is not what you want). This is explained in
the LyX Beamer manual.

However, it is suggested to stick with frame instead of using a nested
Standard paragraph. This makes things way easier.


 4. I increase depth for content. Content becomes indented and previously
 appeared

 frame disappears. Press enter. Style becomes 'frame' again.


No, the style should be still Standard, but nested in the frame.


 5.  I apply style separator. Frame is ended, new frame appears below.


Better use Edit  New Environment (Frame). More convenient than inserting
the separator manually.



 6. Now I try to insert a subtitle. Move the cursor to the end of title,
 press enter.

 7. Select/apply style 'frame subtitle'. Content below becomes unindented.
 I enter frame

 subtitle text. I increase dept for frame subtitle. Content remains
 unindented.

 8. I have to increase depth again for content if I want it to stay part of
 the frame.

 That is, inserting a subtitle afterwards, messes the whole frame content,
 and I have to

 start over increasing depth. Is this really what we want?

 Or do I do something wrong?


If you enter the subtitle to a frame that already has nested content, it is
like this. This is a general problem of nested LyX paragraphs.

Would you use Frame instead of nested Standard (as suggested above), things
would be easier. If you have to use nested stuff, do it like this:

However, this is certainly something that needs some polishing.

Jürgen



 Thanks,

 bcsikos

Re: beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1 - bad experience

[Csikos Bela]

Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org írta:
2014-03-27 18:51 GMT+01:00 Csikos Bela:

Back to the beamer module and nesting. This is an example workflow:

1. I start a frame using/selecting frame. Fill the frame title. Press enter.

2. Write frame content. The style still show #39;frame#39;. Is that normal?

Yes. The frame is a normal environment and behaves like a normal environment 
now.

That is, the frame environment is a standard environment placed in a frame, but 
keeps its nested status. Therefore I don't have to change it to 'standard' 
environment and nest it manually. Is this correct?

[LONG SNIP]

Based on your suggestions I created a frame with title and content with keeping 
'frame' environment for the content. Then I inserted a subtitle below the title 
(moving cursor after title, pressing enter and applying 'subtitle' 
environment). This resulted in a non-indented subtitle and messed up the frame. 
I had to manually increase depth for the subtitle.
I find it messy that I have to manually nest subtitle but I don't have to  nest 
standard frame content. Furthermore if I add list environment to the frame 
content it is not nested either, have to be indented manually. The previous 
method (in lyx 2.0, 1.6) was much more straightforward and more usable. In that 
version the nesting problem appeared only when I used the columns environment  
(and usually it drove me nuts). Now, as I see this complication have been 
extended to the whole frame composition. There must be some big advantage of 
this approach, what is it?

bcsikos

Re: Table width

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 27.03.2014 14:09, schrieb Cee Van Houten:


Yet i was trying to create a table
today which was a little bit to wide.
Lyx didnt warn me it was to wide nor
did it make any corrections itself.


This is because the table width cannot be calculated by LyX. This can only be done by LaTeX itself. 
For example the font size, the font itself, the thickness of table lines the space between table 
lines and the text can change the width in the output.


However LyX's EmbeddedObjects manual explains how the exact table width can be calculated, see its 
Appendix D.
As the exact calculation is much too complicated for daily usage, simply set the table colums to 
percentages of the column width. For example if you have a table with 3 columns and each column 
should have the same width, set each column to a width of 30 col%. I attached an example.
So the rule of thumb is to set each column to a slightly lesser width than geometrically calculated 
(30% for 3 cols, 22% for 4 cols, 47% for 2 cols etc).



and after searching the manual all i
could come up with was this:

\backslash\mbox{columnwidth}
=3\, W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+2\csot0,75\,
W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+\backslash\mbox
{arrayrulewidth}
\phantom{=\,}+5\left(2\backslash\mbox
{tabcolsep}+\backslash\mbox{arrayrulewidth}\right)
=4,5\, W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+62,4\,\mathrm{pt}
W_{\mathrm{Spalte}} 
=\frac{\backslash\mbox{columnwidth}
-62,4\,\mathrm{pt}}{4,5}


From where do you have this code? (What section of the EmbeddedObjects manual and what is your LyX 
version?)


 because MS word is much easier on that one

Really? Show me how to create a table that has automatically a page break when there iot enough 
space on the page, where you can define a different table header/footer line for each page te table 
is printed etc. LyX's longtable feature is unique I would say.
Show me how to let tables automatically float to a good-looking position in the document. This 
floating concept is one of the major advantages compared to Word, LibreOffice etc.
LyX is not perfect but you will notice that the working speed you can get with LyX will be greater 
than with Word.

Also check out the new LyX 2.1 that comes out around April, 5:
http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX21
we have improved the table handling a bit.

regards Uwe


TableTest.lyx
Description: application/lyx

Re: Templates from LyX-207-Bundle-3 Windows Installer

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 27.03.2014 15:49, schrieb José Alejandro Lugo García:


Thanks for your very explicit and clear explanation :) About LaTeX engine for 
Windows (2GB), of course is very large.


Hello José,

2 GB is only necessary if you install ALL things that LaTeX offers. LyX needs only about 70 MB. 
Therefore install LyX once while you are connected to the Internet and you will get automatically 
all LaTeX-packages used by LyX.
Note that you can alternatively also install LyX while not being connected to the Internet. Then go 
afterwards to the University or an Internet Café, connect to the Internet start LyX and then use the 
menu Tools- Reconfigure. Then LyX also tries to download and install all necessary LaTeX-packages 
from the Internet. (That can take a while as I wrote.)



-What version of LyX the team think to put on Ubuntu 14.04 repositories?


That is not our decision. The Ubuntu people decides what LyX version they take. You can nevertheless 
download a LyX Ubuntu-package from LyX itself:

http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/LyXOnUbuntu#toc3


-In Ubuntu repositories there are full LaTeX engine?


Not that I know. They also only offer by default a subset of all available 
LaTeX-packages.
(However I am on Windows only and cannot say it more precisely.)

regards Uwe

Re: beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1 - bad experience

[Liviu Andronic]

On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 9:37 PM, Csikos Bela bcsikos...@freemail.hu wrote:
 Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org írta:
2014-03-27 18:51 GMT+01:00 Csikos Bela:

Back to the beamer module and nesting. This is an example workflow:

1. I start a frame using/selecting frame. Fill the frame title. Press enter.

2. Write frame content. The style still show #39;frame#39;. Is that normal?

Yes. The frame is a normal environment and behaves like a normal environment 
now.

 That is, the frame environment is a standard environment placed in a frame, 
 but keeps its nested status. Therefore I don't have to change it to 
 'standard' environment and nest it manually. Is this correct?

 [LONG SNIP]

 Based on your suggestions I created a frame with title and content with 
 keeping 'frame' environment for the content. Then I inserted a subtitle below 
 the title (moving cursor after title, pressing enter and applying 'subtitle' 
 environment). This resulted in a non-indented subtitle and messed up the 
 frame. I had to manually increase depth for the subtitle.
 I find it messy that I have to manually nest subtitle but I don't have to  
 nest standard frame content. Furthermore if I add list environment to the 
 frame content it is not nested either, have to be indented manually. The 
 previous method (in lyx 2.0, 1.6) was much more straightforward and more 
 usable. In that version the nesting problem appeared only when I used the 
 columns environment  (and usually it drove me nuts). Now, as I see this 
 complication have been extended to the whole frame composition. There must be 
 some big advantage of this approach, what is it?

Native beamer support. Check View  Source.

Liviu


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Re: beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1 - bad experience

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

2014-03-27 21:37 GMT+01:00 Csikos Bela:

  That is, the frame environment is a standard environment placed in a
 frame, but keeps its nested status. Therefore I don't have to change it to
 'standard' environment and nest it manually. Is this correct?


Not quite. The frame environment is a frame environment. It can consists of
several paragraphs, but only one frame title, which is normally given in
the first line. It behaves exatly as any other environment now. If you use,
to stick with the beamer class, an example or block environment, it is
conceptually the same than the frame environment. You do not change the
paragraph style of a block environment to Standard and nest it, do you?
Neither don't you change the content of a quote environment to Standard and
nest it. So why would you want to do it with the frame environment?


 Based on your suggestions I created a frame with title and content with
 keeping 'frame' environment for the content. Then I inserted a subtitle
 below the title (moving cursor after title, pressing enter and applying
 'subtitle' environment). This resulted in a non-indented subtitle and
 messed up the frame. I had to manually increase depth for the subtitle.
 I find it messy that I have to manually nest subtitle but I don't have to
  nest standard frame content.


Look, the subtitle is a command, while the frame is an environment. In
LaTeX, it looks like this

\begin{frame}{title}
  \subtitle{Subtitle}
frame text
frame text
\end{frame}

This is conceptually the same as if you would nest a chapter within a quote
environment. You would also need to nest it.

Why is this so? Because the beamer author decided to implement it that way
(he could also have implemented it via a further optional argument, but he
didn't).

Furthermore if I add list environment to the frame content it is not nested
 either, have to be indented manually.


This is the normal way LyX treats _any_ environment. Content inside
environments must be nested. Frame was the only exception.


 The previous method (in lyx 2.0, 1.6) was much more straightforward and
 more usable. In that version the nesting problem appeared only when I used
 the columns environment  (and usually it drove me nuts). Now, as I see this
 complication have been extended to the whole frame composition. There must
 be some big advantage of this approach, what is it?


Let me put it the reverse way: What was the bid disadvantage of the old
approach? It was based on a huge, ugly, completely opaque hack. The old
frame layout in fact did not use a real beamer frame, but this hack (take
out your brown paper bag):

\long\def\lyxframe#1{\@lyxframe#1\@lyxframestop}%
\def\@lyxframe{\@ifnextchar{\@@lyxframe}{\@@lyxframe*}}%
\def\@@lyxframe#1{\@ifnextchar[{\@@@lyxframe#1}{\@@@lyxframe#1[]}}

\def\@@@lyxframe#1[{\@ifnextchar{\@lyxframe#1[}{\lyxframe#1[*][}}

\def\@lyxframe#1[#2]{\@ifnextchar[{\lyxframe#1[#2]}{\lyxframe#1[#2][]}}
\long\def\lyxframe#1[#2][#3]#4\@lyxframestop#5\lyxframeend{%
  \frame#1[#2][#3]{\frametitle{#4}#5}}

And plainframe:

\long\def\lyxplainframe#1{\@lyxplainframe#1\@lyxframestop}%

\def\@lyxplainframe{\@ifnextchar{\@@lyxplainframe}{\@@lyxplainframe*}}%
\long\def\@@lyxplainframe#1#2\@lyxframestop#3\lyxframeend{%
  \frame#1[plain]{\frametitle{#2}#3}}

And againframe:

\long\def\lyxagainframe#1{\@lyxagainframe#1\@lyxframestop}%

\def\@lyxagainframe{\@ifnextchar{\@@lyxagainframe}{\@@lyxagainframe*}}%

\def\@@lyxagainframe#1{\@ifnextchar[{\@@@lyxagainframe#1}{\@@@lyxagainframe#1[]}}
\long\def\@@@lyxagainframe#1[#2]#3\@lyxframestop{%
  \againframe#1[#2]{#3}}

Do you understand these definitions? No? Good: Me neither. No LyX developer
does. Not even the current beamer developers do. It was written many years
ago by the original beamer developer (who is not active anymore) just for
the sake of the LyX user interface.

The problem with this definition, apart from its opaqueness, is that it is
a dead end street. Nobody knows how long it will continue to work as beamer
is developed further. It was the reason that LyX could not support many
beamer features (fragile frame was not supported at all, beamer handout
could only be supported in a very limited way, only a subset of frame
options could be supported, optional arguments did not work, and so on and
so forth). All these problems were unfixable on the basis of the old
approach.

And finally, LyX exported nonstandard LaTeX output. With the old layout,
you got this LyXism in the LaTeX export:

 \lyxframeend{}\lyxframe{Frame title}


Frame content



\lyxframeend{}



With LyX 2.1, you get _proper_ LaTeX output:


\begin{frame}{Frame title}


Frame content


\end{frame}



I completely understand that it is demanding to get used to a new UI when
you were used to the old one. I felt the same. But I can assure you, that
you can get used to it. And then, the new UI is just introduced. As LyX
develops, it will be imporved.

longbilbiography in revtex doesn't seem to work

[Gozat]

Dear all, 

The class option longbilbiography is supposed to add the title in the 
bilbliography when using RevTeX class. I noticed this option is not working, 
though. Is there an explanation for this ? 

What I tried so far (Lyx version 2.0.7 on MacOs 10.9.2) : 
Below the bibliography styles I tried:
 - apsrmp4-1
 - apsrev4-1 
 - aipauth4-1
 - aipnum4-1
all in document-class RevTeX4 and for 
 - aps
 - aip
 - rmp 
class-options

Thanks in advance for any support.

Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Vincent van Ravesteijn  wrote:
> Public release of LyX version 2.1.0rc1
> 
>
Ubuntu packages are now available from the PPA:
https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/daily/+packages


Liviu


> We are proud to announce the first release candidate of the new
> LyX 2.1 series.
>
> With this release, LyX celebrates 18 years of existence. The 2.1 series
> has a rich set of new features compared to the current stable series.
>
> LyX 2.1.0rc1 is the culmination of three years of hard work.
> This release is meant for testing before we actually release LyX 2.1.
>
> An overview of the new features can be found here:
>   http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX21
>
> You can download LyX 2.1.0rc1 from ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/.
>
> We hope you will enjoy the result!
>
> The file RELEASE-NOTES lists some known issues and problems compared
> to the current stable releases (LyX 2.0.x). We strongly recommend that
> packagers of LyX on various platforms and distributions read this file.
>
> As with any major release, this one comes with lot of new features but
> also some bugs. If you think you have found a bug in LyX 2.1.0rc1,
> either email the LyX developers' mailing list (lyx-devel at lists.lyx.org),
> or open a bug report at http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki/BugTrackerHome.
>
> If you have trouble using LyX or have a question, consult the
> documentation that comes with LyX (under Help) and the LyX wiki, which you
> will find at http://wiki.lyx.org/. You can also send email to the LyX users'
> list (lyx-users at lists.lyx.org).
>
> The LyX team.
> http://www.lyx.org
>



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Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 11:00 PM, James A.R. Koehler
 wrote:
> I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a 32-bit
> version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In both cases,
> when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or via the .deb
> repository, it installs without any classes or layouts; i.e., it is not very
>
Have you tried installing from the PPA?

https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/release


Liviu

> useful.  If I try to read the User Manual, it comes up with an error saying
> it cannot find the appropriate class to display the data.  Catch 22.
>
> In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other years,
> the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!
>
> Jim
>



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Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Daniel CLEMENT]

Le mercredi 26 mars 2014 à 15:00 -0700, James A.R. Koehler a écrit :
> I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a 
> 32-bit version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In 
> both cases, when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or 
> via the .deb repository, it installs without any classes or layouts; 
> i.e., it is not very useful.  

I have a brand new live USB (persistent) install of LM16, where LyX is
installed from Synaptic. I was able to observe but partly what you
describe. 

1. There are indeed some classes missing, but on top of the list under
Document > Parameters there's a good 20+ choice of basic document
classes. Aren't the ones you miss in texlive-formats-extra or
texlive-publishers?

> If I try to read the User Manual, it comes 
> up with an error saying it cannot find the appropriate class to display 
> the data.  Catch 22.

2. I had different errors. First it complained about enumitem.sty not
found. This could be solved by installing texlive-latex-extra (not here
by default). Still, there's another error: "No information to convert
files from eps format to pdf format. Define a converter under
preferences". 

> In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other 
> years, the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!

Granted, I never had to do that under any other LyX install.

FWIW, under Linux Mint Debian, there's no such problems.

> 
> Jim
> 

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Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Liviu Andronic]

On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Daniel CLEMENT  wrote:
> Le mercredi 26 mars 2014 à 15:00 -0700, James A.R. Koehler a écrit :
>> I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a
>> 32-bit version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In
>> both cases, when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or
>> via the .deb repository, it installs without any classes or layouts;
>> i.e., it is not very useful.
>
> I have a brand new live USB (persistent) install of LM16, where LyX is
> installed from Synaptic. I was able to observe but partly what you
> describe.
>
> 1. There are indeed some classes missing, but on top of the list under
> Document > Parameters there's a good 20+ choice of basic document
> classes. Aren't the ones you miss in texlive-formats-extra or
> texlive-publishers?
>
OK, this sounds more like LaTeX classes are missing (and NOT LyX
layout files). Which means that re-installing LyX is of no
consequence. You should perform a full installation of TeX Live. You
may as well start by installing 'texlive-full', but beware that this
is likely to be a monstrous download.

Liviu



>> If I try to read the User Manual, it comes
>> up with an error saying it cannot find the appropriate class to display
>> the data.  Catch 22.
>
> 2. I had different errors. First it complained about enumitem.sty not
> found. This could be solved by installing texlive-latex-extra (not here
> by default). Still, there's another error: "No information to convert
> files from eps format to pdf format. Define a converter under
> preferences".
>
>> In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other
>> years, the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!
>
> Granted, I never had to do that under any other LyX install.
>
> FWIW, under Linux Mint Debian, there's no such problems.
>
>>
>> Jim
>>
>
> --
> Daniel CLEMENT



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Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Daniel CLEMENT]

Le jeudi 27 mars 2014 à 08:48 +0100, Liviu Andronic a écrit :
> On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Daniel CLEMENT  wrote:
> > Le mercredi 26 mars 2014 à 15:00 -0700, James A.R. Koehler a écrit :
> >> I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a
> >> 32-bit version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In
> >> both cases, when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or
> >> via the .deb repository, it installs without any classes or layouts;
> >> i.e., it is not very useful.
> >
> > I have a brand new live USB (persistent) install of LM16, where LyX is
> > installed from Synaptic. I was able to observe but partly what you
> > describe.
> >
> > 1. There are indeed some classes missing, but on top of the list under
> > Document > Parameters there's a good 20+ choice of basic document
> > classes. Aren't the ones you miss in texlive-formats-extra or
> > texlive-publishers?
> >
> OK, this sounds more like LaTeX classes are missing (and NOT LyX
> layout files). 

Certainly.

> Which means that re-installing LyX is of no
> consequence. You should perform a full installation of TeX Live. You
> may as well start by installing 'texlive-full', but beware that this
> is likely to be a monstrous download.

Ouch! texlive-full... I wouldn't try that on a live-USB _persistent_
setup: if the persistence file ever becomes full, it locks the whole
system and one can only restart from scratch (all settings lost...)

OTTH, on a regular install, why not? Yet, it would be better if LyX
marked as dependencies just the LaTeX packages needed for previewing the
manuals.

Yet, the "missing converter" issue below is odd: is that related to a
LaTeX package?

> 
> Liviu
> 
> 
> 
> >> If I try to read the User Manual, it comes
> >> up with an error saying it cannot find the appropriate class to display
> >> the data.  Catch 22.
> >
> > 2. I had different errors. First it complained about enumitem.sty not
> > found. This could be solved by installing texlive-latex-extra (not here
> > by default). Still, there's another error: "No information to convert
> > files from eps format to pdf format. Define a converter under
> > preferences".
> >
> >> In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other
> >> years, the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!
> >
> > Granted, I never had to do that under any other LyX install.
> >
> > FWIW, under Linux Mint Debian, there's no such problems.
> >
> >>
> >> Jim
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Daniel CLEMENT
> 
> 
> 

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Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)

[Paola Manzini]

Hi guys,

first of all thanks for your efforts, it does look great! However I am 
still frustrated in using it on my device with a high resolution screen 
(Windows), as the icons are too small (the problem that I highlighted here:

http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.editors.lyx.general/81497

but was unable to solve on my own): any chance this could be solved in 
2.1 final release? I am sure I am not alone with this problem, and from 
the release notes it seems this issue is still there.


Thanks again,
Paola

On 26/03/2014 21:41, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:

Public release of LyX version 2.1.0rc1


We are proud to announce the first release candidate of the new
LyX 2.1 series.

With this release, LyX celebrates 18 years of existence. The 2.1 series
has a rich set of new features compared to the current stable series.

LyX 2.1.0rc1 is the culmination of three years of hard work.
This release is meant for testing before we actually release LyX 2.1.

An overview of the new features can be found here:
  http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX21

You can download LyX 2.1.0rc1 from ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/.

We hope you will enjoy the result!

The file RELEASE-NOTES lists some known issues and problems compared
to the current stable releases (LyX 2.0.x). We strongly recommend that
packagers of LyX on various platforms and distributions read this file.

As with any major release, this one comes with lot of new features but
also some bugs. If you think you have found a bug in LyX 2.1.0rc1,
either email the LyX developers' mailing list (lyx-devel at 
lists.lyx.org),

or open a bug report at http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki/BugTrackerHome.

If you have trouble using LyX or have a question, consult the
documentation that comes with LyX (under Help) and the LyX wiki, which 
you
will find at http://wiki.lyx.org/. You can also send email to the LyX 
users'

list (lyx-users at lists.lyx.org).

The LyX team.
http://www.lyx.org



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Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)

[William Seager]

On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 22:41:50 Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:
> We are proud to announce the first release candidate of the new
> LyX 2.1 series.

great news - but I've been bitten before by incompatibility
of formats between versions. Does 2.1rc1 permit export
to old lyx versions? 

thanks,
-- 
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University of Toronto Scarborough
www.utsc.utoronto.ca/~seager

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to account for than the right we conceive men 
to have to dispose of their goods after death."

Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 7:34 AM, William Seager  wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 22:41:50 Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:
>> We are proud to announce the first release candidate of the new
>> LyX 2.1 series.
>
> great news - but I've been bitten before by incompatibility
> of formats between versions. Does 2.1rc1 permit export
> to old lyx versions?

Yes. You can do File > Export > LyX 2.0.x. You can even export to LyX
1.y.x if you go to File > Export > More Formats & Options. There are
also easy commands on the command line to convert a LyX 2.1 file to a
LyX 2.0.x file.

Best,

Scott

Table width

[Cee Van Houten]

In the manual i was told a thousand times 
that with lyx i could focus on 
the content, not on the layout... 
which sounded great. 
Yet i was trying to create a table 
today which was a little bit to wide. 
Lyx didnt warn me it was to wide nor 
did it make any corrections itself. 
and after searching the manual all i 
could come up with was this:

\backslash\mbox{columnwidth}
=3\, W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+2\csot0,75\,
W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+\backslash\mbox
{arrayrulewidth}
\phantom{=\,}+5\left(2\backslash\mbox
{tabcolsep}+\backslash\mbox{arrayrulewidth}\right)
=4,5\, W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+62,4\,\mathrm{pt}
W_{\mathrm{Spalte}} 
=\frac{\backslash\mbox{columnwidth}
-62,4\,\mathrm{pt}}{4,5}

so thats the only way to correct that 
issue without trial and error? 
are you kidding me? Or am i missing 
something? i must be, because MS word is
much easier on that one, as it 
doesnt require converting the file 
every time i made some trials.

greetings. 
 

Re: Table width

[John White]

Lyx is not for everyone.  Some are better off using a word processor, and, for 
reasons which escape me, many of those folks find it hard to wean themselves 
from Word.  Charles Dickens got by with pen and ink.

On Thursday, March 27, 2014 06:09:30 AM Cee Van Houten wrote:
> In the manual i was told a thousand times
> that with lyx i could focus on
> the content, not on the layout...
> which sounded great.
> Yet i was trying to create a table
> today which was a little bit to wide.
> Lyx didnt warn me it was to wide nor
> did it make any corrections itself.
> and after searching the manual all i
> could come up with was this:
> 
> \backslash\mbox{columnwidth}
> =3\, W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+2\csot0,75\,
> W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+\backslash\mbox
> {arrayrulewidth}
> \phantom{=\,}+5\left(2\backslash\mbox
> {tabcolsep}+\backslash\mbox{arrayrulewidth}\right)
> =4,5\, W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+62,4\,\mathrm{pt}
> W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}
> =\frac{\backslash\mbox{columnwidth}
> -62,4\,\mathrm{pt}}{4,5}
> 
> so thats the only way to correct that
> issue without trial and error?
> are you kidding me? Or am i missing
> something? i must be, because MS word is
> much easier on that one, as it
> doesnt require converting the file
> every time i made some trials.
> 
> greetings.

Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Liviu Andronic]

On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 2:17 PM, James A.R. Koehler
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Yes, I tried that and got exactly the same result.  Last night, I
> installed the Windows version of Lyx on a WIndows XP virtual machine and it
> all installed and ran correctly.  However, I do not want to use it that way;
> I want to run the Linux version.  I need to edit some material I wrote a few
> years ago so this is very frustrating.
>
> The .lyx/layouts directory is completely empty and, indeed, so are all
> the other sub-directories under .lyx
>
Then you can simply try to mv ~/.lyx ~/.lyx.bak and then restart LyX.

Liviu


> Jim
>
>
>
> On 14-03-26 11:36 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 11:00 PM, James A.R. Koehler
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a
>>> 32-bit
>>> version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In both cases,
>>> when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or via the .deb
>>> repository, it installs without any classes or layouts; i.e., it is not
>>> very
>>>
>> Have you tried installing from the PPA?
>>
>> https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/release
>>
>>
>> Liviu
>>
>>> useful.  If I try to read the User Manual, it comes up with an error
>>> saying
>>> it cannot find the appropriate class to display the data.  Catch 22.
>>>
>>> In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other
>>> years,
>>> the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>
>>
>



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Re: Table width

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Le 27/03/14 14:09, Cee Van Houten a écrit :

Yet i was trying to create a table today which was a little bit to
wide. Lyx didnt warn me it was to wide nor did it make any
corrections itself. and after searching the manual all i could come
up with was this:

\backslash\mbox{columnwidth} =3\, W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+2\csot0,75\,
W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+\backslash\mbox {arrayrulewidth}
\phantom{=\,}+5\left(2\backslash\mbox
{tabcolsep}+\backslash\mbox{arrayrulewidth}\right) =4,5\,
W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+62,4\,\mathrm{pt} W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}
=\frac{\backslash\mbox{columnwidth} -62,4\,\mathrm{pt}}{4,5}


I am not sure where the code you pasted is coming from, but it looks 
overly scary. I don't get where these \backslash\mbox come from...



so thats the only way to correct that issue without trial and error?
are you kidding me? Or am i missing something? i must be, because MS
word is much easier on that one, as it doesnt require converting the
file every time i made some trials.


Since we do not see the file and cannot see what the problem is, we can 
only agree with you: you found out the truth, LyX is a scam ;)


Seriously, depdending on problems, there may be easy or complicated 
solutions. Personnally curse more often towards Word or PoorPoint than 
towards LyX. YMMV.


JMarc

Re: Templates from LyX-207-Bundle-3 Windows Installer

[José Alejandro Lugo García]

Hello Uwe,

Thanks for your very explicit and clear explanation :) About LaTeX engine for 
Windows (2GB), of course is very large. In that case, at work, fortunately I 
have access to full Ubuntu repositories because there is a mirror that are keep 
update constantly from internet. I know probably this questions are tricky but:

-What version of LyX the team think to put on Ubuntu 14.04 repositories? 
-In Ubuntu repositories there are full LaTeX engine? If so, I will think about 
migrate completely and use LyX on that enviroment. Actually I 'm not doing that 
because the problem I have with accent in LyX version 2.0.2 from my Ubuntu 
12.04 already installed on my machine. But, if at Ubuntu 14.04 will be put a 
latest version that solve most of my current problems then yes, I would love to 
use LyX on Ubuntu OS.

Bests,

José. 

- Mensaje original -
De: "Uwe Stöhr" 
Para: "José Alejandro Lugo García" , lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Enviados: Miércoles, 26 de Marzo 2014 20:27:47
Asunto: Re: Templates from LyX-207-Bundle-3 Windows Installer

Am 22.03.2014 02:16, schrieb José Alejandro Lugo García:

> I don’t have the possibility of a full internet connection, so with some 
> help, I reached the LyX-207-Bundle-3 installer for Windows. Install perfect.

Hello José,

This installer version unfortunately came with a major bug that destroyed all 
shortcuts. As a 
Spanish user you are most probably affected. Please excuse for that mistake.

You have now 2 choices:
- either uninstall LyX 2.0.7 and reinstall it using this installer:
   ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/bin/2.0.7/LyX-2.0.7-Installer-4.exe
- or uninstall LyX 2.0. and install instead the brand new LyX 2.1 release 
candidate:
   
ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.1/lyx-2.1.0rc1/LyX-210RC1-Installer-1.exe

(When LyX 2.1.0 is released in about 2 weeks you can easily upgrade without the 
need to reinstall 
LyX. Just install LyX 2.1.0 over the existing LyX 2.1RC1.)

> All great until I try to open some templates from File/New from Template (see 
> “ 0 showing_templates.png”). Sadly many templates from this collection shows 
> “errors” with missing dependencies that needs to be downloaded from internet 
> (see “1 Show_error.png”).

The reason is that LyX uses a lot of packages and the LaTeX engine for Windows 
does not offer to 
install all packages at once (that would be more than 2 GB). I therefore 
recommend that you go to an 
Internet café, download there the LyX installer, keep your Internet connection 
open and install LyX 
right in the Internet Café.
The installation might take a while (up to 15 minutes, depending on your PC and 
the Internet speed) 
so just drink a coffee in the café ;-).
Finally you have a full functional LyX and can go offline. Problems as you had 
should then not occur.
Note that the installation of all the LaTeX packages is only necessary once. So 
as log as you keep 
the LateX engine "MiKTeX" on your PC everything should be fine after the first 
installation. 
Therefore assure that you keep MiKTeX when you uninstall LyX 2.0.7 (there is an 
option in LyX's 
uninstaller).

regards Uwe

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Laboratorio de Investigaciones en Gestión de Proyectos. 
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Universidad de las Ciencias Informáticas. La Habana. Cuba. 


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Re: Table width

[Cee Van Houten]

Jean-Marc Lasgouttes  lyx.org> writes:

> 
> Le 27/03/14 14:09, Cee Van Houten a écrit :
> > Yet i was trying to create a table today which was a little bit to
> > wide. Lyx didnt warn me it was to wide nor did it make any
> > corrections itself. and after searching the manual all i could come
> > up with was this:
> >
> > \backslash\mbox{columnwidth} =3\, W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+2\csot0,75\,
> > W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+\backslash\mbox {arrayrulewidth}
> > \phantom{=\,}+5\left(2\backslash\mbox
> > {tabcolsep}+\backslash\mbox{arrayrulewidth}\right) =4,5\,
> > W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+62,4\,\mathrm{pt} W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}
> > =\frac{\backslash\mbox{columnwidth} -62,4\,\mathrm{pt}}{4,5}
> 
> I am not sure where the code you pasted is coming from, but it looks 
> overly scary. I don't get where these \backslash\mbox come from...
> 
> > so thats the only way to correct that issue without trial and error?
> > are you kidding me? Or am i missing something? i must be, because MS
> > word is much easier on that one, as it doesnt require converting the
> > file every time i made some trials.
> 
> Since we do not see the file and cannot see what the problem is, we can 
> only agree with you: you found out the truth, LyX is a scam ;)
> 
> Seriously, depdending on problems, there may be easy or complicated 
> solutions. Personnally curse more often towards Word or PoorPoint than 
> towards LyX. YMMV.
> 
> JMarc
> 
> 


actually, i was quite satisfied with lyx so far, yet i was frustrated it
doesnt seem to be able to come up with a better solution in this case.

all i want to do is fixing a table which is too wide to display correctly
automatically by making the fonts smaller or adding word wraps or something
like that instead of just 'cutting off' the table. 

solving it by giving the coloumns fixed widths related to the page width
doesnt seem to do the trick either as a column i tested it with was far
wider then the 50% i specifed.

For some reason i couldnt even use strg+enter in a cell, and specifing every
cell i want a word wrap in as a 2-line cell isnt really userfriendly either. 


The code is from the "embedded objects" help file, section 2.13, german
version. 

thanks for your help. 

Re: Table width

[Cee Van Houten]

John White  lawquest.com> writes:

> 
> Lyx is not for everyone.  Some are better off using a word processor, and,
for 
> reasons which escape me, many of those folks find it hard to wean themselves 
> from Word.  Charles Dickens got by with pen and ink.
> 

I can see your point with latex, but lyx claims to be more comfortable to
use than word, doesnt it? at least it claimed a thousand times in the manual
i used i would have more time to focus on the content and not on the layout,
which unfortunately isnt the case with my problem. and fixing wide tables to
the page width isnt so uncommon, isnt it?
so thanks for your help... keep up the great work! o.0

Re: Table width

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

2014-03-27 16:15 GMT+01:00 Cee Van Houten:

> all i want to do is fixing a table which is too wide to display correctly
> automatically by making the fonts smaller or adding word wraps or something
> like that instead of just 'cutting off' the table.
>
> solving it by giving the coloumns fixed widths related to the page width
> doesnt seem to do the trick either as a column i tested it with was far
> wider then the 50% i specifed.
>

Note there is a space between columns which you need to take into account.
This sums up to the overall width. So make it a bit less than 50%.

In LaTeX, there is the tabularx package which solves this problem. It is
not yet natively supported by LyX (nobody stepped forward to do this). LyX
supports the tabular* environment via the "Table width" setting, but its
result is more often than not unsatisfactory.

HTH
Jürgen

Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Liviu Andronic]

Please use Reply All to keep the discussion on the list.


On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:50 PM, James A.R. Koehler
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I did that and it just recreates all those same empty directories.
>
Actually the layouts directories that matter are (usually) in
/usr/share/lyx/layouts . Is that empty, too?

Liviu

> Jim
>
>
>
>
> On 14-03-27 07:02 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 2:17 PM, James A.R. Koehler
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>  Yes, I tried that and got exactly the same result.  Last night,
>>> I
>>> installed the Windows version of Lyx on a WIndows XP virtual machine and
>>> it
>>> all installed and ran correctly.  However, I do not want to use it that
>>> way;
>>> I want to run the Linux version.  I need to edit some material I wrote a
>>> few
>>> years ago so this is very frustrating.
>>>
>>>  The .lyx/layouts directory is completely empty and, indeed, so are
>>> all
>>> the other sub-directories under .lyx
>>>
>> Then you can simply try to mv ~/.lyx ~/.lyx.bak and then restart LyX.
>>
>> Liviu
>>
>>
>>>  Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 14-03-26 11:36 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

 On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 11:00 PM, James A.R. Koehler
  wrote:
>
> I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a
> 32-bit
> version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In both
> cases,
> when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or via the
> .deb
> repository, it installs without any classes or layouts; i.e., it is not
> very
>
 Have you tried installing from the PPA?

 https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/release


 Liviu

> useful.  If I try to read the User Manual, it comes up with an error
> saying
> it cannot find the appropriate class to display the data.  Catch 22.
>
> In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other
> years,
> the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!
>
> Jim
>

>>
>>
>



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beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1 - bad experience

[Csikos Bela]

Hello:

I tried beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1.

Unfortunately I have to say that handling of frames is worse than in lyx 2.0.

There is no frame end option and no indication of frame ends -- must look at 
the source. Furthermore after adding a subtitle and frame content resulted in 
content going after \endframe. Sorry to say but this is not improvement but 
regression.

Very frustrating.

bcsikos425



beamer-lyx2.0.1rc1.lyx
Description: Binary data

Re: beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1 - bad experience

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

2014-03-27 17:09 GMT+01:00 Csikos Bela:

> Hello:
>
> I tried beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1.
>
> Unfortunately I have to say that handling of frames is worse than in lyx
> 2.0.
>
> There is no frame end option and no indication of frame ends -- must look
> at the source. Furthermore after adding a subtitle and frame content
> resulted in content going after \endframe. Sorry to say but this is not
> improvement but regression.
>
> Very frustrating.
>

I suggest you read Help > Beamer Presentations, where the new interface is
described. Expecially read the section on "nesting".

It was not a goal in itself to change the user interface, but it was
unavoidable to overcome many serious flaws of LyX's beamer support. So I am
afraid you'll have to get used to the new interface.

Jürgen



>
> bcsikos425
>
>

Re: Templates from LyX-207-Bundle-3 Windows Installer

[Alex Vergara Gil]

- Original Message - 
From: "José Alejandro Lugo García" 


-In Ubuntu repositories there are full LaTeX engine? If so, I will think 
about migrate completely and use LyX on that enviroment. Actually I 'm not 
doing that because the problem I have with accent in LyX version 2.0.2 
from my Ubuntu 12.04 already installed on my machine. But, if at Ubuntu 
14.04 will be put a latest version that solve most of my current problems 
then yes, I would love to use LyX on Ubuntu OS.


Bests,

José.


The accents problem is not a lyx issue, but wrong keyboard configuration, so 
even if you upgrade to the newest OS you will remain with that problem, so I 
recommend you to check your keyboard layouth been in spanish, any version 
(traditional sort, Latin American sort or Spain sort). That problem will 
vanish then. Even if you have an english keyboard you will have access to 
accents there.


Best
Alex 

Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[James A.R. Koehler]

No, that has 192 files in it.


On 14-03-27 09:02 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

Please use Reply All to keep the discussion on the list.


On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:50 PM, James A.R. Koehler
 wrote:

Hi,

 I did that and it just recreates all those same empty directories.


Actually the layouts directories that matter are (usually) in
/usr/share/lyx/layouts . Is that empty, too?

Liviu


Jim




On 14-03-27 07:02 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 2:17 PM, James A.R. Koehler
 wrote:

Hi,

  Yes, I tried that and got exactly the same result.  Last night,
I
installed the Windows version of Lyx on a WIndows XP virtual machine and
it
all installed and ran correctly.  However, I do not want to use it that
way;
I want to run the Linux version.  I need to edit some material I wrote a
few
years ago so this is very frustrating.

  The .lyx/layouts directory is completely empty and, indeed, so are
all
the other sub-directories under .lyx


Then you can simply try to mv ~/.lyx ~/.lyx.bak and then restart LyX.

Liviu



  Jim



On 14-03-26 11:36 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 11:00 PM, James A.R. Koehler
 wrote:

I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a
32-bit
version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In both
cases,
when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or via the
.deb
repository, it installs without any classes or layouts; i.e., it is not
very


Have you tried installing from the PPA?

https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/release


Liviu


useful.  If I try to read the User Manual, it comes up with an error
saying
it cannot find the appropriate class to display the data.  Catch 22.

In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other
years,
the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!

Jim

Re: beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1 - bad experience

[Csikos Bela]

"Jürgen Spitzmüller"  írta:
>>2014-03-27 17:09 GMT+01:00 Csikos Bela:
>>
>>Hello:
>>
>>I tried beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1.
>>
>>Unfortunately I have to say that handling of frames is worse than in lyx 2.0.
>>
>>There is no frame end option and no indication of frame ends -- must look at 
>>the
>>source. Furthermore after adding a subtitle and frame content resulted in 
>>content going
>>after \endframe. Sorry to say but this is not improvement but regression.
>>
>>
>>Very frustrating.

>I suggest you read Help > Beamer Presentations, where the new interface is 
>described.
>Expecially read the section on nesting.It was not a goal in itself 
>to change
>the user interface, but it was unavoidable to overcome many serious flaws of
>LyXs beamer support. So I am afraid youll have to get used to the new
>interface.

Thank you.

Unfortunately I don't have the manual you referenced under Help menu.
(lyx-2.0.1rc1 built on openSUSE 12.2 linux)

See my help menu items here:

http://i58.tinypic.com/29x81tz.jpg

Is there other (online) place where it is available?

Thanks,

bcsikos425

Re: beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1 - bad experience

[Richard Heck]

On 03/27/2014 12:46 PM, Csikos Bela wrote:

"Jürgen Spitzmüller"  írta:

2014-03-27 17:09 GMT+01:00 Csikos Bela:

Hello:

I tried beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1.

Unfortunately I have to say that handling of frames is worse than in lyx 2.0.

There is no frame end option and no indication of frame ends -- must look at the
source. Furthermore after adding a subtitle and frame content resulted in 
content going
after \endframe. Sorry to say but this is not improvement but regression.


Very frustrating.

I suggest you read Help > Beamer Presentations, where the new interface is 
described.
Expecially read the section on nesting.It was not a goal in itself 
to change
the user interface, but it was unavoidable to overcome many serious flaws of
LyXs beamer support. So I am afraid youll have to get used to the new
interface.

Thank you.

Unfortunately I don't have the manual you referenced under Help menu.
(lyx-2.0.1rc1 built on openSUSE 12.2 linux)

See my help menu items here:

http://i58.tinypic.com/29x81tz.jpg

Is there other (online) place where it is available?


You're missing quite a lot of the manuals. Did you customize the menu 
items at some point? Have a look at ~/.lyx/ui/ (or whatever your userdir 
is). Are there files in there?


In any event, you must have this file in your installation. Look for 
beamer.lyx, probably somewhere like /usr/local/share/lyx/lib/examples/.


Richard

Re: beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1 - bad experience

[Csikos Bela]

Richard Heck  írta:
>On 03/27/2014 12:46 PM, Csikos Bela wrote:
>> "Jürgen Spitzmüller"  írta:
 2014-03-27 17:09 GMT+01:00 Csikos Bela:

 Hello:

 I tried beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1.

 Unfortunately I have to say that handling of frames is worse than in lyx 
 2.0.

 There is no frame end option and no indication of frame ends -- must look 
 at the
 source. Furthermore after adding a subtitle and frame content resulted in 
 content
>>>going
 after \endframe. Sorry to say but this is not improvement but regression.


 Very frustrating.
>>> I suggest you read Help > Beamer Presentations, where the new interface is
>>>described.
>>> Expecially read the section on nesting.It was not a goal in 
>>> itself to
>>>change
>>> the user interface, but it was unavoidable to overcome many serious flaws of
>>> LyXs beamer support. So I am afraid youll have to get used to the 
>>> new
>>> interface.
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Unfortunately I don't have the manual you referenced under Help menu.
>> (lyx-2.0.1rc1 built on openSUSE 12.2 linux)
>>
>> See my help menu items here:
>>
>> http://i58.tinypic.com/29x81tz.jpg
>>
>> Is there other (online) place where it is available?
>
>You're missing quite a lot of the manuals. Did you customize the menu 
>items at some point? Have a look at ~/.lyx/ui/ (or whatever your userdir 
>is). Are there files in there?

Yes I customized it (copied items here from lyx 2.0 userdir).

I removed those items and now I have more menu items.

How can I have my customized items and all the menus is a later question.

>
>In any event, you must have this file in your installation. Look for 
>beamer.lyx, probably somewhere like /usr/local/share/lyx/lib/examples/.
>

I found it. Thanks.

Back to the beamer module and nesting. This is an example workflow:

1. I start a frame using/selecting frame. Fill the frame title. Press enter.

2. Write frame content. The style still show 'frame'. Is that normal?

3. I manually change content to standard style. This results in appearance 
another frame 

below content. Is this normal?

4. I increase depth for content. Content becomes indented and previously 
appeared 

frame disappears. Press enter. Style becomes 'frame' again.

5.  I apply style "separator". Frame is ended, new frame appears below.

6. Now I try to insert a subtitle. Move the cursor to the end of title, press 
enter.

7. Select/apply style 'frame subtitle'. Content below becomes unindented. I 
enter frame 

subtitle text. I increase dept for frame subtitle. Content remains unindented.

8. I have to increase depth again for content if I want it to stay part of the 
frame.

That is, inserting a subtitle afterwards, messes the whole frame content, and I 
have to 

start over increasing depth. Is this really what we want?

Or do I do something wrong?

Thanks,

bcsikos

Re: beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1 - bad experience

[Richard Heck]

On 03/27/2014 01:51 PM, Csikos Bela wrote:

Richard Heck  írta:
You're missing quite a lot of the manuals. Did you customize the menu 
items at some point? Have a look at ~/.lyx/ui/ (or whatever your 
userdir is). Are there files in there? 

Yes I customized it (copied items here from lyx 2.0 userdir).

I removed those items and now I have more menu items.

How can I have my customized items and all the menus is a later question.


Unfortunately, the only way to do this is to re-do your customizations. 
(To make it slightly easier, you could  make a diff against the original 
2.0 files and then patch the new one.)


Richard

Re: beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1 - bad experience

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

2014-03-27 18:51 GMT+01:00 Csikos Bela:

> Back to the beamer module and nesting. This is an example workflow:
>
> 1. I start a frame using/selecting frame. Fill the frame title. Press
> enter.
>
> 2. Write frame content. The style still show 'frame'. Is that normal?
>

Yes. The frame is a normal environment and behaves like a normal
environment now.


> 3. I manually change content to standard style. This results in appearance
> another frame
>
> below content. Is this normal?
>

No, this is not a "frame". The paragraph is outside the frame (which might
be well intended, but usually is not what you want). This is explained in
the LyX Beamer manual.

However, it is suggested to stick with "frame" instead of using a nested
Standard paragraph. This makes things way easier.


> 4. I increase depth for content. Content becomes indented and previously
> appeared
>
> frame disappears. Press enter. Style becomes 'frame' again.
>

No, the style should be still "Standard", but nested in the frame.


> 5.  I apply style "separator". Frame is ended, new frame appears below.
>

Better use Edit > New Environment (Frame). More convenient than inserting
the separator manually.


>
> 6. Now I try to insert a subtitle. Move the cursor to the end of title,
> press enter.
>
> 7. Select/apply style 'frame subtitle'. Content below becomes unindented.
> I enter frame
>
> subtitle text. I increase dept for frame subtitle. Content remains
> unindented.
>
> 8. I have to increase depth again for content if I want it to stay part of
> the frame.
>
> That is, inserting a subtitle afterwards, messes the whole frame content,
> and I have to
>
> start over increasing depth. Is this really what we want?
>
> Or do I do something wrong?
>

If you enter the subtitle to a frame that already has nested content, it is
like this. This is a general problem of nested LyX paragraphs.

Would you use Frame instead of nested Standard (as suggested above), things
would be easier. If you have to use nested stuff, do it like this:

However, this is certainly something that needs some polishing.

Jürgen


>
> Thanks,
>
> bcsikos
>
>

Re: beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1 - bad experience

[Csikos Bela]

"Jürgen Spitzmüller"  írta:
>2014-03-27 18:51 GMT+01:00 Csikos Bela:
>>
>>Back to the beamer module and nesting. This is an example workflow:
>>
>>1. I start a frame using/selecting frame. Fill the frame title. Press enter.
>>
>>2. Write frame content. The style still show frame. Is that normal?

>Yes. The frame is a normal environment and behaves like a normal environment 
>now.

That is, the frame environment is a standard environment placed in a frame, but 
keeps its nested status. Therefore I don't have to change it to 'standard' 
environment and nest it manually. Is this correct?

[LONG SNIP]

Based on your suggestions I created a frame with title and content with keeping 
'frame' environment for the content. Then I inserted a subtitle below the title 
(moving cursor after title, pressing enter and applying 'subtitle' 
environment). This resulted in a non-indented subtitle and messed up the frame. 
I had to manually increase depth for the subtitle.
I find it messy that I have to manually nest subtitle but I don't have to  nest 
standard frame content. Furthermore if I add list environment to the frame 
content it is not nested either, have to be indented manually. The previous 
method (in lyx 2.0, 1.6) was much more straightforward and more usable. In that 
version the nesting problem appeared only when I used the columns environment  
(and usually it drove me nuts). Now, as I see this complication have been 
extended to the whole frame composition. There must be some big advantage of 
this approach, what is it?

bcsikos

Re: Table width

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 27.03.2014 14:09, schrieb Cee Van Houten:


Yet i was trying to create a table
today which was a little bit to wide.
Lyx didnt warn me it was to wide nor
did it make any corrections itself.


This is because the table width cannot be calculated by LyX. This can only be done by LaTeX itself. 
For example the font size, the font itself, the thickness of table lines the space between table 
lines and the text can change the width in the output.


However LyX's EmbeddedObjects manual explains how the exact table width can be calculated, see its 
Appendix D.
As the exact calculation is much too complicated for daily usage, simply set the table colums to 
percentages of the column width. For example if you have a table with 3 columns and each column 
should have the same width, set each column to a width of 30 col%. I attached an example.
So the rule of thumb is to set each column to a slightly lesser width than geometrically calculated 
(30% for 3 cols, 22% for 4 cols, 47% for 2 cols etc).



and after searching the manual all i
could come up with was this:

\backslash\mbox{columnwidth}
=3\, W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+2\csot0,75\,
W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+\backslash\mbox
{arrayrulewidth}
\phantom{=\,}+5\left(2\backslash\mbox
{tabcolsep}+\backslash\mbox{arrayrulewidth}\right)
=4,5\, W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+62,4\,\mathrm{pt}
W_{\mathrm{Spalte}} 
=\frac{\backslash\mbox{columnwidth}
-62,4\,\mathrm{pt}}{4,5}


From where do you have this code? (What section of the EmbeddedObjects manual and what is your LyX 
version?)


> because MS word is much easier on that one

Really? Show me how to create a table that has automatically a page break when there iot enough 
space on the page, where you can define a different table header/footer line for each page te table 
is printed etc. LyX's longtable feature is unique I would say.
Show me how to let tables automatically float to a good-looking position in the document. This 
floating concept is one of the major advantages compared to Word, LibreOffice etc.
LyX is not perfect but you will notice that the working speed you can get with LyX will be greater 
than with Word.

Also check out the new LyX 2.1 that comes out around April, 5:
http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX21
we have improved the table handling a bit.

regards Uwe


TableTest.lyx
Description: application/lyx

Re: Templates from LyX-207-Bundle-3 Windows Installer

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 27.03.2014 15:49, schrieb José Alejandro Lugo García:


Thanks for your very explicit and clear explanation :) About LaTeX engine for 
Windows (2GB), of course is very large.


Hello José,

2 GB is only necessary if you install ALL things that LaTeX offers. LyX needs only about 70 MB. 
Therefore install LyX once while you are connected to the Internet and you will get automatically 
all LaTeX-packages used by LyX.
Note that you can alternatively also install LyX while not being connected to the Internet. Then go 
afterwards to the University or an Internet Café, connect to the Internet start LyX and then use the 
menu Tools-> Reconfigure. Then LyX also tries to download and install all necessary LaTeX-packages 
from the Internet. (That can take a while as I wrote.)



-What version of LyX the team think to put on Ubuntu 14.04 repositories?


That is not our decision. The Ubuntu people decides what LyX version they take. You can nevertheless 
download a LyX Ubuntu-package from LyX itself:

http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/LyXOnUbuntu#toc3


-In Ubuntu repositories there are full LaTeX engine?


Not that I know. They also only offer by default a subset of all available 
LaTeX-packages.
(However I am on Windows only and cannot say it more precisely.)

regards Uwe

Re: beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1 - bad experience

[Liviu Andronic]

On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 9:37 PM, Csikos Bela  wrote:
> "Jürgen Spitzmüller"  írta:
>>2014-03-27 18:51 GMT+01:00 Csikos Bela:
>>>
>>>Back to the beamer module and nesting. This is an example workflow:
>>>
>>>1. I start a frame using/selecting frame. Fill the frame title. Press enter.
>>>
>>>2. Write frame content. The style still show frame. Is that normal?
>
>>Yes. The frame is a normal environment and behaves like a normal environment 
>>now.
>
> That is, the frame environment is a standard environment placed in a frame, 
> but keeps its nested status. Therefore I don't have to change it to 
> 'standard' environment and nest it manually. Is this correct?
>
> [LONG SNIP]
>
> Based on your suggestions I created a frame with title and content with 
> keeping 'frame' environment for the content. Then I inserted a subtitle below 
> the title (moving cursor after title, pressing enter and applying 'subtitle' 
> environment). This resulted in a non-indented subtitle and messed up the 
> frame. I had to manually increase depth for the subtitle.
> I find it messy that I have to manually nest subtitle but I don't have to  
> nest standard frame content. Furthermore if I add list environment to the 
> frame content it is not nested either, have to be indented manually. The 
> previous method (in lyx 2.0, 1.6) was much more straightforward and more 
> usable. In that version the nesting problem appeared only when I used the 
> columns environment  (and usually it drove me nuts). Now, as I see this 
> complication have been extended to the whole frame composition. There must be 
> some big advantage of this approach, what is it?
>
Native beamer support. Check View > Source.

Liviu


> bcsikos
>



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Re: beamer in lyx 2.0.1rc1 - bad experience

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

2014-03-27 21:37 GMT+01:00 Csikos Bela:

>  That is, the frame environment is a standard environment placed in a
> frame, but keeps its nested status. Therefore I don't have to change it to
> 'standard' environment and nest it manually. Is this correct?
>

Not quite. The frame environment is a frame environment. It can consists of
several paragraphs, but only one frame title, which is normally given in
the first line. It behaves exatly as any other environment now. If you use,
to stick with the beamer class, an example or block environment, it is
conceptually the same than the frame environment. You do not change the
paragraph style of a block environment to Standard and nest it, do you?
Neither don't you change the content of a quote environment to Standard and
nest it. So why would you want to do it with the frame environment?


> Based on your suggestions I created a frame with title and content with
> keeping 'frame' environment for the content. Then I inserted a subtitle
> below the title (moving cursor after title, pressing enter and applying
> 'subtitle' environment). This resulted in a non-indented subtitle and
> messed up the frame. I had to manually increase depth for the subtitle.
> I find it messy that I have to manually nest subtitle but I don't have to
>  nest standard frame content.


Look, the subtitle is a command, while the frame is an environment. In
LaTeX, it looks like this

\begin{frame}{title}
  \subtitle{Subtitle}
frame text
frame text
\end{frame}

This is conceptually the same as if you would nest a chapter within a quote
environment. You would also need to nest it.

Why is this so? Because the beamer author decided to implement it that way
(he could also have implemented it via a further optional argument, but he
didn't).

Furthermore if I add list environment to the frame content it is not nested
> either, have to be indented manually.


This is the normal way LyX treats _any_ environment. Content inside
environments must be nested. Frame was the only exception.


> The previous method (in lyx 2.0, 1.6) was much more straightforward and
> more usable. In that version the nesting problem appeared only when I used
> the columns environment  (and usually it drove me nuts). Now, as I see this
> complication have been extended to the whole frame composition. There must
> be some big advantage of this approach, what is it?
>

Let me put it the reverse way: What was the bid disadvantage of the old
approach? It was based on a huge, ugly, completely opaque hack. The old
frame layout in fact did not use a real beamer frame, but this hack (take
out your brown paper bag):

\long\def\lyxframe#1{\@lyxframe#1\@lyxframestop}%
\def\@lyxframe{\@ifnextchar<{\@@lyxframe}{\@@lyxframe<*>}}%
\def\@@lyxframe<#1>{\@ifnextchar[{\@@@lyxframe<#1>}{\@@@lyxframe<#1>[]}}

\def\@@@lyxframe<#1>[{\@ifnextchar<{\@lyxframe<#1>[}{\lyxframe<#1>[<*>][}}

\def\@lyxframe<#1>[#2]{\@ifnextchar[{\lyxframe<#1>[#2]}{\lyxframe<#1>[#2][]}}
\long\def\lyxframe<#1>[#2][#3]#4\@lyxframestop#5\lyxframeend{%
  \frame<#1>[#2][#3]{\frametitle{#4}#5}}

And plainframe:

\long\def\lyxplainframe#1{\@lyxplainframe#1\@lyxframestop}%

\def\@lyxplainframe{\@ifnextchar<{\@@lyxplainframe}{\@@lyxplainframe<*>}}%
\long\def\@@lyxplainframe<#1>#2\@lyxframestop#3\lyxframeend{%
  \frame<#1>[plain]{\frametitle{#2}#3}}

And againframe:

\long\def\lyxagainframe#1{\@lyxagainframe#1\@lyxframestop}%

\def\@lyxagainframe{\@ifnextchar<{\@@lyxagainframe}{\@@lyxagainframe<*>}}%

\def\@@lyxagainframe<#1>{\@ifnextchar[{\@@@lyxagainframe<#1>}{\@@@lyxagainframe<#1>[]}}
\long\def\@@@lyxagainframe<#1>[#2]#3\@lyxframestop{%
  \againframe<#1>[#2]{#3}}

Do you understand these definitions? No? Good: Me neither. No LyX developer
does. Not even the current beamer developers do. It was written many years
ago by the original beamer developer (who is not active anymore) just for
the sake of the LyX user interface.

The problem with this definition, apart from its opaqueness, is that it is
a dead end street. Nobody knows how long it will continue to work as beamer
is developed further. It was the reason that LyX could not support many
beamer features (fragile frame was not supported at all, beamer handout
could only be supported in a very limited way, only a subset of frame
options could be supported, optional arguments did not work, and so on and
so forth). All these problems were unfixable on the basis of the old
approach.

And finally, LyX exported nonstandard LaTeX output. With the old layout,
you got this LyXism in the LaTeX export:

 \lyxframeend{}\lyxframe{Frame title}


Frame content



\lyxframeend{}



With LyX 2.1, you get _proper_ LaTeX output:


\begin{frame}{Frame title}


Frame content


\end{frame}



I completely understand that it is demanding to get used to a new UI when
you were used to the old one. I felt the same. But I can assure you, that
you can get used to it. And then, the new UI 

longbilbiography in revtex doesn't seem to work

[Gozat]

Dear all, 

The class option longbilbiography is supposed to add the title in the 
bilbliography when using RevTeX class. I noticed this option is not working, 
though. Is there an explanation for this ? 

What I tried so far (Lyx version 2.0.7 on MacOs 10.9.2) : 
Below the bibliography styles I tried:
 - apsrmp4-1
 - apsrev4-1 
 - aipauth4-1
 - aipnum4-1
all in document-class RevTeX4 and for 
 - aps
 - aip
 - rmp 
class-options

Thanks in advance for any support.