Re: Graphics/Figures in LyX, Call for Features
On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, Martijn Brouwer wrote: > At 10:24 PM 6/7/00 +0200, you wrote: > >On 07-Jun-2000 Roland Krause wrote: > > > >> > >> Why GUI independece? Drop xforms now! Port LyX to KDE > >> > Never! With xforms I can run LyX on my 486, with KDE or gnome I can just > open LyX in the time I now need to write my whole thesis! > Besides, there is already al port to KDE, KLyX. Running LyX would not require KDE or GNOME to be installed! Only libqt or libgtk which are probably not slower than xforms. Please correct me if I am wrong. Thanks. Syrus. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Syrus C Nemat-Nasser, PhD| Center of Excellence for Advanced Materials UCSD Department of Physics | UCSD Department of Mechanical <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |and Aerospace Engineering
Re: Graphics/Figures in LyX, Call for Features
At 03:07 PM 6/15/00 +0200, you wrote: >How well do latest LyX versions run on a 486? Is is better/worse than >older versions? Just curious. I can't tell you, I am just beginning to work seriously with LyX. (Master thesis). But version 1.1.2 runs fine. Of course running Latex takes some time, but I have exported the userguide and the extended features documents to postscript, and that took only a few minutes. Reading this documents online goes very well. I did not yet try version 1.1.5: I want to wait until the first fix. Compiling LyX takes to much time to do it for every version. (hint: is there anybody who can build a rpm for SuSE?) I run LyX on a 100 Mhz 486 with 24 Mb ram, so please keep the systemrequirements down. Succes! Martijn P.S. I am going to like LyX very well. The absence of wysiwyg prevents my computer from slowing down when I have a twenty page document full with equations, tables and graphs! Go on. __ Martijn Brouwer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Graphics/Figures in LyX, Call for Features
> "Martijn" == Martijn Brouwer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Martijn> Never! With xforms I can run LyX on my 486, with KDE or gnome Martijn> I can just open LyX in the time I now need to write my whole Martijn> thesis! Besides, there is already al port to KDE, KLyX. How well do latest LyX versions run on a 486? Is is better/worse than older versions? Just curious. JMarc
Re: Graphics/Figures in LyX, Call for Features
At 10:24 PM 6/7/00 +0200, you wrote: >On 07-Jun-2000 Roland Krause wrote: > >> >> Why GUI independece? Drop xforms now! Port LyX to KDE >> Never! With xforms I can run LyX on my 486, with KDE or gnome I can just open LyX in the time I now need to write my whole thesis! Besides, there is already al port to KDE, KLyX. Martijn __ Martijn Brouwer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Graphics/Figures in LyX, Call for Features
Martijn Brouwer wrote: > > I don't know whether LaTeX supports this, but I would like to have the > possibility to make a float having half the width of a page with the text > flowing around it. Often I have a quite large amount of graphs that show > just some measurement points and a fitted straight line. Having full width > floats is annoying in that case: you get a few pages with only graphs, and > the text that describes them is a few pages away. > Is this just a nice dream or is it feasible? look at documentation Extended.lyx chapter 4.4 available at option help ... ;-) Herbert -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://perce.de/voss
Re: Graphics/Figures in LyX, Call for Features
I don't know whether LaTeX supports this, but I would like to have the possibility to make a float having half the width of a page with the text flowing around it. Often I have a quite large amount of graphs that show just some measurement points and a fitted straight line. Having full width floats is annoying in that case: you get a few pages with only graphs, and the text that describes them is a few pages away. Is this just a nice dream or is it feasible? Thanks, Martijn __ Martijn Brouwer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Graphics/Figures in LyX, Call for Features
I am a "wordish" user... ;-) A feature I would like is the possibility to set graphically the bounding box of EPS files, a sort of "crop", is this the right name? I don't know if there is already a program that does that. Emanuele Gissi
Re: Graphics/Figures in LyX, Call for Features
On 07-Jun-2000 Roland Krause wrote: > > Why GUI independece? Drop xforms now! Port LyX to KDE > Why GUI independece? Drop xforms now! Port Lyx to GTK/GNOME ;-) Alexander Volovics
Re: Graphics/Figures in LyX, Call for Features
> "Roland" == Roland Krause <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Roland> Unfortunately, xforms hinders the development of nicer Wysiwim Roland> more then it supports it and it would be much easier to do Roland> things in a KDE based environment where the programmer is Roland> actually supported by the libs. I certainly hope that KDE provides a command line utility which uses its _wonderful_ image processing features ;) Then we'll just use it. I do not see how using directly KDE libs will simplify the process you outlined above. Roland> Therefore my usual Roland> Why GUI independece? Drop xforms now! Port LyX to KDE Roland> Stop using oldish html to format your posts! Drop it and use KWord now! :) JMarc
Re: Graphics/Figures in LyX, Call for Features
I certainly agree that eps is the format of choice for Latex when things are going to be printed. I noted though that there are many people out there that have reverted to create pdf documents, somewhat as a last resort against having to do M$soft. Anyway for pdflatex eps is not an option. Also for screen presentations eps figures are not really a good choice because of the scaling problem. Screen presentations require a lot more real Wysiwyg than we (Latex/LyX folks) usually like to care about. Summarizing: 1 For standard Latex based Lyx processing we would like and need eps/ps figures, the method of choice to include these would be the graphic[sx] packages. A nice feature would be to automagically detect the creator of the figure (e.g. xfig) and an option to open the figure for editing... 2 For standard Latex based Lyx processing we would also like the option to include png jpeg etc. Option for the conversion of these formats to and from postscript are: - pbm tools (Thats what they were called in the early days, I think they are in libgr on my Mandrake distro now) - ImagaMagick (which has a programming interface so that on the fly conversion should be possible If the graphic[sx] package is supported let Latex deal with png, jpeg etc. 3 Then there are the folks that need/want to create pdf documents. Here is where things get really ugly. Pdf can be created mainly in two ways. Directly with pdflatex and in a postprocessing step with either ghostscript, pstill or afaik Acrobat Distiller. pdflatex wont do eps but there is a conversion tool in teTeX (epstopdf) to convert eps/ps to pdf. Therefore LyX could could handle eps figures for latex and pdf files for latex in a transparent way through bitmap conversion via ghostscript, much as it does now. A new figure inset should first check what's available on the system and make sure the user doesnt do things like trying to use eps figures with pdflatex.Then it must convert the desired format to a bitmap to be displayed on the screen. These would be my wishes/ideas for a new figure inset. I have looked at the current code and I think it should be rewritten from scratch and the old one should be left in place while the new one is developed. Unfortunately, xforms hinders the development of nicer Wysiwim more then it supports it and it would be much easier to do things in a KDE based environment where the programmer is actually supported by the libs. Therefore my usual Why GUI independece? Drop xforms now! Port LyX to KDE Regards Roland
Re: Graphics/Figures in LyX, Call for Features
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | This kind of feature is not related to images, IMO. What we need is a | text inset which produces framed boxes. It will be easy when we get | text insets working. Agree, this is the right approach., Lgb
Re: Graphics/Figures in LyX, Call for Features
> "Niklas" == Niklas Werner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Niklas> Well, maybe I missed something, but there's one big thing: My Niklas> copy of LyX (1.1.5pre3) is still not able to draw a border Niklas> around an included image (it does in the LyX-window, but Niklas> neither in latex,ps, nor pdf). Niklas> I always had to do it by hand using some LaTeX-commands I've Niklas> forgotten because I put them in a script. This kind of feature is not related to images, IMO. What we need is a text inset which produces framed boxes. It will be easy when we get text insets working. JMarc
Graphics/Figures in LyX, Call for Features
Well, maybe I missed something, but there's one big thing: My copy of LyX (1.1.5pre3) is still not able to draw a border around an included image (it does in the LyX-window, but neither in latex,ps, nor pdf). I always had to do it by hand using some LaTeX-commands I've forgotten because I put them in a script. That'd be a feature I'd like ;-) Pdf-preview and exporting is said to get into one of the next releases, isn't it? have fun* Niklas
Re: Graphics/Figures in LyX, Call for Features
Roland Krause <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Great, finally someone to pick this up. | If I were you I'd also ask the developers, I think they have very | detailed ideas of how the whole thing should be dealt with already. As | far as I understand, figures should _not_ be converted into eps since | this is entirely unnecessary. LaTeX can handle figures in jpeg and png | for example just fine assumed that you can use the graphicx | package. Not quite true, someone must do the conversion to the format that LaTeX can handle. It is possible to teach graphicx how to do this using an external program, but the figure must still be converted, si it just a question of when the conversion is done. We also need to handle LaTeX installations that does not understand eps but wants something different. | To | represent the figure on the screen you need to convert it to a bitmap | sooner or later and that's what ghostscript is doing now. Again, all | this isn't really necessary but as it looks like the current code needs | a fundamental rewrite. Yes, and it seems to be taking off now. Lgb
Re: Graphics/Figures in LyX, Call for Features
I dont' know if newer versions support it (I use 1.0.3), but what I really missed was the epsfig possibility to cut a box in an eps page with bblx, , and clip=0. I had to write the latex command (which works fine). Stefano
Re: Graphics/Figures in LyX, Call for Features
>>Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 19:56:33 +0300 (IDT) >>From: Baruch Even <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: LyXnichians <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Subject: Graphics/Figures in LyX, Call for Features >> >>Hello, >> >>I'd like to solicit requests and ideas regarding the "insert Figure" >>option that is present in LyX, as there is a need to reimplement it, I >>thought it would be a good idea if peoples on the list would send me the >>list of their needs and wants so I can collect and include them in my >>work. >> >>Current ideas that I read about (and need myself) is the auto-generation >>of EPS files from other formats (gif, fig, jpeg, tiff are the basic ones I >>guess, and the easiest to implement). I think that basically you should not put in the LyX file specific code about figure format, unless it is used to hide the powerfulness of the graphicx package. In that line a minimal solution would be to - import the name of graphic files without extension - introduce a « View pdf » item in the file menu which gives direct choice on the latex/pdflatex compilation (« Update pdf » is useful also, but does not seem to work very well with acrobat reader). The action behind would be to run pdflatex on a modified version of the source file with class option pdftex automatically added. Then leave to a batch conversion process the image conversion task, e.g. IM mogrify if you want in place conversion. teTeX provides the epstopdf filter useful to go from latex to pdflatex, needs to be encapsulated in a script to automate the conversion on a set of files. A more complicated implementation would be to give control to conversion programs from the LyX interface as you mentioned hereunder. >> >>Regarding that I have a question, would you require the conversion to be a >>part of LyX, or maybe using external programs will be ok, ImageMagick for >>example is freely available and can convert almost anything to EPS, would >>requiring ImageMagick (or other suitable tools) for this feature be too >>much? -- Jean-Pierre
Re: Graphics/Figures in LyX, Call for Features
> "Staffan" == Staffan Ringbom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Staffan> In my opinion, the insert figure should support images that Staffan> could be directly used by pdflatex. pdflatex and eps figures Staffan> seems to be a bad mix. Is a conversion to eps files at the Staffan> moment the best strategy? Probably yes in the short run? I think eps is the best choice for real latex. Something else could be needed for pdflatex, but this is easy to implement. Staffan> Roland Krause wrote: >> Great, finally someone to pick this up. If I were you I'd also ask >> the developers, I think they have very detailed ideas of how the >> whole thing should be dealt with already. As far as I understand, >> figures should _not_ be converted into eps since this is entirely >> unnecessary. LaTeX can handle figures in jpeg and png for example >> just fine assumed that you can use the graphicx package. I guess you mean "On _some_ TeX implementations, ...". LyX should certainly not rely on LaTeX being able to handle anything else than postscript, especially since it is so easy to do the convertion. JMarc
Re: Graphics/Figures in LyX, Call for Features
On Tue, 6 Jun 2000, Baruch Even wrote: > Hello, > > I'd like to solicit requests and ideas regarding the "insert Figure" > option that is present in LyX, as there is a need to reimplement it, I > thought it would be a good idea if peoples on the list would send me the > list of their needs and wants so I can collect and include them in my > work. > > Current ideas that I read about (and need myself) is the auto-generation > of EPS files from other formats (gif, fig, jpeg, tiff are the basic ones I > guess, and the easiest to implement). > > Regarding that I have a question, would you require the conversion to be a > part of LyX, or maybe using external programs will be ok, ImageMagick for > example is freely available and can convert almost anything to EPS, would > requiring ImageMagick (or other suitable tools) for this feature be too > much? Hi, I don't think that using an external programm would be too much for an "advanced" LyXer. On the other hand IMHO LyX should be suitable for "beginners", too (M$-Worders or so...). For this reason, I'd appreciate if LyX would convert it automatically. > > What else would you need from the Figure inclusion that you do not get > currently? > > -- > Baruch Even > > http://techst02.technion.ac.il/~sbaruch/ (My Site) > http://rpghost.com/jindor/ (My brothers AD&D site) > > " Learn to laugh ... it's the path to true love! " >- The Angel in the movie Michael > > -- Stephan E. Schlierf M.A. - Product Management - PHONE: ++49 9254 960673 FAX:++49 9254 960674 CSE GmbH Germany
Re: Graphics/Figures in LyX, Call for Features
In my opinion, the insert figure should support images that could be directly used by pdflatex. pdflatex and eps figures seems to be a bad mix. Is a conversion to eps files at the moment the best strategy? Probably yes in the short run? Roland Krause wrote: > Great, finally someone to pick this up. > If I were you I'd also ask the developers, I think they have very > detailed ideas of how the whole thing should be dealt with already. As > far as I understand, figures should _not_ be converted into eps since > this is entirely unnecessary. LaTeX can handle figures in jpeg and png > for example just fine assumed that you can use the graphicx package. YES! YES! YES! > To > represent the figure on the screen you need to convert it to a bitmap > sooner or later and that's what ghostscript is doing now. Again, all > this isn't really necessary but as it looks like the current code needs > a fundamental rewrite. > > Roland Agree with Roland. Staffan P.S. Like 1.1.5. It is a good release! Thanks.
Graphics/Figures in LyX, Call for Features
Great, finally someone to pick this up. If I were you I'd also ask the developers, I think they have very detailed ideas of how the whole thing should be dealt with already. As far as I understand, figures should _not_ be converted into eps since this is entirely unnecessary. LaTeX can handle figures in jpeg and png for example just fine assumed that you can use the graphicx package. To represent the figure on the screen you need to convert it to a bitmap sooner or later and that's what ghostscript is doing now. Again, all this isn't really necessary but as it looks like the current code needs a fundamental rewrite. Roland
Re: Graphics/Figures in LyX, Call for Features
On Tue, 6 Jun 2000, Herbert Voss wrote: > > Baruch Even wrote: > > > > > Regarding that I have a question, would you require the conversion to be a > > > part of LyX, or maybe using external programs will be ok, ImageMagick for > > > example is freely available and can convert almost anything to EPS, would > > > requiring ImageMagick (or other suitable tools) for this feature be too > > > much? > > the best way is to define the program in .lyx/lyxrc file. Actually my original intent was to know if an external program solution would be fine or an internal routine would be required. The first I prefer since it goes in the unix tradition and there are better (and ready) programs to do that, the later might be better since LyX is working also on windows machine where I do not know if the external program solution is applicable. Since so far no-one indicated an internal solution would be better an external solution will be the prefered way, and ofcourse I'll not limit myself to ImageMagick and allow configuration of conversion by the user, and possibly by the configurator. -- Baruch Even http://techst02.technion.ac.il/~sbaruch/ (My Site) http://rpghost.com/jindor/ (My brothers AD&D site) " Learn to laugh ... it's the path to true love! " - The Angel in the movie Michael
Re: Graphics/Figures in LyX, Call for Features
Ronald Florence wrote: > > Baruch Even wrote: > > > Regarding that I have a question, would you require the conversion to be a > > part of LyX, or maybe using external programs will be ok, ImageMagick for > > example is freely available and can convert almost anything to EPS, would > > requiring ImageMagick (or other suitable tools) for this feature be too > > much? > > I would prefer if the configuration of LyX searched out and used the > available image conversion tool on the system (ImageMagick, xv, gimp > tools, etc.) the way configuration currently does for latex -> html, > Postscript viewers, and other external tools. Nothing wrong with > ImageMagick but it is not used on some systems which may have > perfectly suitable alternate tools available. the best way is to define the program in .lyx/lyxrc file. Herbert -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://perce.de/voss
Re: Graphics/Figures in LyX, Call for Features
Baruch Even wrote: > Regarding that I have a question, would you require the conversion to be a > part of LyX, or maybe using external programs will be ok, ImageMagick for > example is freely available and can convert almost anything to EPS, would > requiring ImageMagick (or other suitable tools) for this feature be too > much? I would prefer if the configuration of LyX searched out and used the available image conversion tool on the system (ImageMagick, xv, gimp tools, etc.) the way configuration currently does for latex -> html, Postscript viewers, and other external tools. Nothing wrong with ImageMagick but it is not used on some systems which may have perfectly suitable alternate tools available. -- Ronald Florence http://members.home.net/18james
Re: Graphics/Figures in LyX, Call for Features
Baruch Even wrote: > Hello, > > I'd like to solicit requests and ideas regarding the "insert Figure" > option that is present in LyX, as there is a need to reimplement it, I > thought it would be a good idea if peoples on the list would send me the > list of their needs and wants so I can collect and include them in my > work. > > Current ideas that I read about (and need myself) is the auto-generation > of EPS files from other formats (gif, fig, jpeg, tiff are the basic ones I > guess, and the easiest to implement). > > Regarding that I have a question, would you require the conversion to be a > part of LyX, or maybe using external programs will be ok, ImageMagick for > example is freely available and can convert almost anything to EPS, would > requiring ImageMagick (or other suitable tools) for this feature be too > much? I think it is Ok. Personally i use ImageMagic to convert my tiff images to eps and import them to lyx without any problems. I think that automate this whitout duplicate files (only temporal to reuse during a session) would be very fine. Regards begin:vcard n:Fornaro;Osvaldo tel;fax:+54-2293-444190 tel;work:+54-2293-442821 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Solidificacion - IFIMAT;Fac. Ciencias Exactas. Departamento de Fisica Universidad Nacional del Centro de la Provincia de Buenos Aires adr:;;Pinto 399;Tandil;;B7000GHG;Argentina version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] note;quoted-printable:Universidad Nacional del Centro de la =0D=0AProvincia de Buenos Aires x-mozilla-cpt:;-16800 fn:Osvaldo Fornaro end:vcard
Graphics/Figures in LyX, Call for Features
Hello, I'd like to solicit requests and ideas regarding the "insert Figure" option that is present in LyX, as there is a need to reimplement it, I thought it would be a good idea if peoples on the list would send me the list of their needs and wants so I can collect and include them in my work. Current ideas that I read about (and need myself) is the auto-generation of EPS files from other formats (gif, fig, jpeg, tiff are the basic ones I guess, and the easiest to implement). Regarding that I have a question, would you require the conversion to be a part of LyX, or maybe using external programs will be ok, ImageMagick for example is freely available and can convert almost anything to EPS, would requiring ImageMagick (or other suitable tools) for this feature be too much? What else would you need from the Figure inclusion that you do not get currently? -- Baruch Even http://techst02.technion.ac.il/~sbaruch/ (My Site) http://rpghost.com/jindor/ (My brothers AD&D site) " Learn to laugh ... it's the path to true love! " - The Angel in the movie Michael
