Re: Justifying figures to outer margin
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 12:11 AM, Helge Hafting wrote: > A figure, (including the caption) can be shifted left or right if you want > to. Here is one way: > 1.Insert the figure float. > 2.The first thing inside this float should be horizontal space. > Use a negative length to move into the left margin, or use a > positive length to move into the right margin. > (Insert->Formatting->Horizontal Space). Set the type > to "custom". That lets you type in a custom length. > 3. After the horizontal space, insert a minipage. (Insert->Box) > In the settings, make sure it is a minipage, set the width to > 100% of line length, and use "no frame". (Frames makes it easier > to see what happens, but they have width of their own, so they > interfere with precise positioning.) > 4. Put all your figure content inside this minipage. Both the > image and the caption. (The caption can be moved inside > the minipage by copy-paste.) > > Thank you Helge, The "sidecap" package with the "wide" option appears to have answered most of my needs; but I shall bear in mind your suggestions for moving figures precisely. George Legge
Re: Justifying figures to outer margin
On 29. mai 2010 01:04, george legge wrote: On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Julien Rioux mailto:jri...@physics.utoronto.ca>> wrote: Hi, I am not completely clear on what you want to accomplish, but you might want to have a look at the sidecap package [1]. I wrote a minimalistic module to use the package in LyX [2]. Maybe that would help. Otherwise, sorry for the noise. Thank you Julien for the prompt reply. I have read your documentation. Your package does allow figures to move into the margin and captions to be placed on either side. But it does not appear to tackle the major problem, which is: How to get figures (of all widths) to justify to a boundary several cm outside the text edge. A figure, (including the caption) can be shifted left or right if you want to. Here is one way: 1.Insert the figure float. 2.The first thing inside this float should be horizontal space. Use a negative length to move into the left margin, or use a positive length to move into the right margin. (Insert->Formatting->Horizontal Space). Set the type to "custom". That lets you type in a custom length. 3. After the horizontal space, insert a minipage. (Insert->Box) In the settings, make sure it is a minipage, set the width to 100% of line length, and use "no frame". (Frames makes it easier to see what happens, but they have width of their own, so they interfere with precise positioning.) 4. Put all your figure content inside this minipage. Both the image and the caption. (The caption can be moved inside the minipage by copy-paste.) This gives you a figure of normal width, i.e. the distance between the margins. But you can push it right and left by adjusting the horizontal spacing at the beginning of the figure float. You may also want to vary the width of the minipage for further control. The edges of the minipage will be the "margins" for your figure. So you can decide how a very long caption will break up. Tip: You can see the edges of this minipage by writing a long line. For example, a horizontal space of the "fill" type, with some suitable fill pattern. (Or use a frame for the minipage, but be aware that the frame makes the minipage wider in order to make romm for frame lines.) The actual graphic can be but next to the right or left edge by using Edit->Paragraph Settings and make the paragraph with the figure left-adjusted or right-adjusted. This way, you can line your figure up perfectly with any edge you like. Helge Hafting
Re: Justifying figures to outer margin
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Julien Rioux wrote: > On 28/05/2010 7:04 PM, george legge wrote: > >> On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Julien Rioux> >wrote: >> Hi, >> I am not completely clear on what you want to accomplish, but you might >> want >> to have a look at the sidecap package [1]. I wrote a minimalistic module >> to >> use the package in LyX [2]. Maybe that would help. Otherwise, sorry for >> the >> noise. >> >> Thank you Julien for the prompt reply. >> I have read your documentation. >> Your package does allow figures to move into the margin and captions to be >> placed on either side. >> But it does not appear to tackle the major problem, which is: >> How to get figures (of all widths) to justify to a boundary several cm >> outside the text edge. >> >> George >> >> > Hi George, > > First, I did not write the sidecap package; I only wrote a LyX module to > better integrate the functionality of the LaTeX package within LyX. > > Second, there is a sidecap package option, "wide", which let the figure > extend into the margin. Unfortunately, there is hardly any documentation > about the sidecap package. I do not know how to customize this very well. > But the attached LyX file use this option and the "innercaption" option to > achieve something close to what you want, I think. > > Make sure you have sidecap.module somewhere where LyX can find it. > > Best of luck, > Julien > Thank you Julien. Yes, I found the sidecap package a short while ago and then found "wide". "wide" certainly works on text and I am right now trying it on a figure. It looks as though it should solve most of my problems; but I agree the documentation is very sparse. It is time I knocked off for the night. I shall let you know how successful I am. Cheers, George
Re: Justifying figures to outer margin
On 28/05/2010 7:04 PM, george legge wrote: On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Julien Riouxwrote: Hi, I am not completely clear on what you want to accomplish, but you might want to have a look at the sidecap package [1]. I wrote a minimalistic module to use the package in LyX [2]. Maybe that would help. Otherwise, sorry for the noise. Thank you Julien for the prompt reply. I have read your documentation. Your package does allow figures to move into the margin and captions to be placed on either side. But it does not appear to tackle the major problem, which is: How to get figures (of all widths) to justify to a boundary several cm outside the text edge. George Hi George, First, I did not write the sidecap package; I only wrote a LyX module to better integrate the functionality of the LaTeX package within LyX. Second, there is a sidecap package option, "wide", which let the figure extend into the margin. Unfortunately, there is hardly any documentation about the sidecap package. I do not know how to customize this very well. But the attached LyX file use this option and the "innercaption" option to achieve something close to what you want, I think. Make sure you have sidecap.module somewhere where LyX can find it. Best of luck, Julien wide-sidecap.lyx Description: application/lyx wide-sidecap.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document
Re: Justifying figures to outer margin
Am 31.05.2010 03:06, schrieb george legge: It is the outer edge of this (marginparsep + marginparwidth) region which I attempted to justify my figures to. My requirement was that the outer edge of a figure line up with the outer edge of the marginpara, I expect that you need low-level TeX primitives to achieve this. If I cannot free "overhang" from wrap, I shall go back to wrestling with geometry. Perhaps this helps you: http://wiki.lyx.org/Tips/PaperLayout regards Uwe
Re: Justifying figures to outer margin
Sorry Uwe, I forgot to add that the geometry package allows me to set up exactly what I need in the way of margins. It can set: paperwidth = inner + width + outer [I am calling them inner and outer rather than left and right, because it is double sided] where inner and outer are true margins, not used for printing. and width = textwidth + (marginparsep + marginparwidth) It is the outer edge of this (marginparsep + marginparwidth) region which I attempted to justify my figures to. My requirement was that the outer edge of a figure line up with the outer edge of the marginpara, and the figure could extend back as far as needed into the text area, with any space left available for caption. I was having difficulty with this and I noticed that memoir by itself could perform many (though not all) of geometry actions. Then I was overjoyed to get your suggestion of using "overhang" but subsequently "underjoyed" to find I could not free it from wrap. If I cannot free "overhang" from wrap, I shall go back to wrestling with geometry. Thank you again for your help. Cheers, George
Re: Justifying figures to outer margin
> > This is against usual typesetting rules and therefore not supported by > LaTeX. I showed you 2 tricks to overcome this and I don't see other ways. > But you should have a very, very important reason to print something in the > page margin. Because in case that you print your document by a printing > press you will get big problems. > > regards Uwe > I still have a real margin of about 1.5cm outside the images. But there is a much larger margin outside the text. It is quite common to use what is treated as a margin by the text, but is available for placement of figures. Possibly a layout program does it by setting up two columns and restricting the text to just the inner column. I don't think that is easy to do with LaTeX. However your suggestion of using "overhang" was wonderful.I don't know how "overhang" is achieved. I just need the macro that produces "overhang" without the macro that produces "wrap". That sounds simple, but maybe it isn't. Thank you for trying to help. Cheers, George
Re: Justifying figures to outer margin
Am 30.05.2010 23:22, schrieb george legge: Thank you Uwe, but that merely enlarges the image and extends it into the margin. It does not MOVE the image. An overhang moves the image across into the margin which is what I need. This is against usual typesetting rules and therefore not supported by LaTeX. I showed you 2 tricks to overcome this and I don't see other ways. But you should have a very, very important reason to print something in the page margin. Because in case that you print your document by a printing press you will get big problems. regards Uwe
Re: Justifying figures to outer margin
> > Is there an easy way to insert an "overhang" command into a Figure Float? >> > > You only need to specify a width for your image that is wider than the page > or column width. Use for example a width of 110 column%. Attached is an > example where I have done this for a box. > > regards Uwe > Thank you Uwe, but that merely enlarges the image and extends it into the margin. It does not MOVE the image. An overhang moves the image across into the margin which is what I need. Think of it this way: I wish to have an image (of any desired size) placed in the top outer corner of the page. Images will vary in width; but their outer edge will always hang outside the text edge by the same distance. It seems to me that this is exactly what "overhang" achieves. If only I can get it to work with a regular image float, not just with a wrap float. Cheers, George
Re: Justifying figures to outer margin
Am 30.05.2010 05:45, schrieb george legge: Thank you Uwe. "Overhang" is exactly what I need. However, I do not want wrapping, and "overhang" seems to be offered only by Wrap Float. I don't think a plain Figure Float recognizes "overhang". Is there an easy way to insert an "overhang" command into a Figure Float? You only need to specify a width for your image that is wider than the page or column width. Use for example a width of 110 column%. Attached is an example where I have done this for a box. regards Uwe newfile2.lyx Description: application/lyx
Re: Justifying figures to outer margin
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 11:11 AM, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Am 29.05.2010 01:04, schrieb george legge: > > > But it does not appear to tackle the major problem, which is: >> How to get figures (of all widths) to justify to a boundary several cm >> outside the text edge. >> > > Use a wrapped float. Its option "Overhang" is exactly what you need. > Attached is a LyX example file. > For more infos about wrapped floats have a look at sec. 3.2.2 "Wrap Floats" > of the EmbeddedObjects manual that you find in LyX#s Help menu. > > regards Uwe > Thank you Uwe. "Overhang" is exactly what I need. However, I do not want wrapping, and "overhang" seems to be offered only by Wrap Float. I don't think a plain Figure Float recognizes "overhang". Is there an easy way to insert an "overhang" command into a Figure Float? Alternatively can I turn off wrapping in a Wrap Float? I still wish to insert a caption into the space created by the overhang. I could force the overhang just by letting the caption push the figure across, thereby creating an overhang, though I need to do that with the caption always on the inner side. However getting exactly the same overhang every time would be messy that way. Basically, I wish to get all my figures to float to the tops of pages, flush to the outside and overhang text by a set distance, thus visually defining a marginal column. Your "overhang" almost does it. Cheers, George
Re: Justifying figures to outer margin
Am 29.05.2010 01:04, schrieb george legge: But it does not appear to tackle the major problem, which is: How to get figures (of all widths) to justify to a boundary several cm outside the text edge. Use a wrapped float. Its option "Overhang" is exactly what you need. Attached is a LyX example file. For more infos about wrapped floats have a look at sec. 3.2.2 "Wrap Floats" of the EmbeddedObjects manual that you find in LyX#s Help menu. regards Uwe Figure-margin-protrude.lyx Description: application/lyx
Re: Justifying figures to outer margin
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Julien Rioux wrote: Hi, I am not completely clear on what you want to accomplish, but you might want to have a look at the sidecap package [1]. I wrote a minimalistic module to use the package in LyX [2]. Maybe that would help. Otherwise, sorry for the noise. Thank you Julien for the prompt reply. I have read your documentation. Your package does allow figures to move into the margin and captions to be placed on either side. But it does not appear to tackle the major problem, which is: How to get figures (of all widths) to justify to a boundary several cm outside the text edge. George
Re: Justifying figures to outer margin
On 28/05/2010 5:09 PM, george legge wrote: In LyX memoir class, 2-sided, single column, how can I place figures so that their outer edges line up with the outer edge of a wide (outer margin)? With figures 1.2cm from the edge of the page, they then visually define the wide outer margin. I want the captions (without caption numbers printed) placed on the inside of the figures or, for wide figures, in the wide margin under the figure. I tried inserting the figure in a float, which then floats to the top of a page, as desired. However the figure caption appears always on the left and is justified to the left margin of the text, irrespective of whether the page is recto or verso. The figure just gets pushed right in response to the length of the caption. I need the caption on the “inside”, whether that is left or right. If the caption is below the figure, the figure can be left or right justified, but only to the text – not to the outer margin. How do I get justification of the figure to the outer margin – not to the text? Whether I set this up in LyX, in the LaTeX preamble or in TeX code, I feel that it should be straightforward and probably a common layout; but I cannot find the right documentation. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, George (Legge) Hi, I am not completely clear on what you want to accomplish, but you might want to have a look at the sidecap package [1]. I wrote a minimalistic module to use the package in LyX [2]. Maybe that would help. Otherwise, sorry for the noise. [1] http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/help/Catalogue/entries/sidecap.html [2] http://www.physics.utoronto.ca/~jrioux/resources/lyx/ -- Julien
Justifying figures to outer margin
In LyX memoir class, 2-sided, single column, how can I place figures so that their outer edges line up with the outer edge of a wide (outer margin)? With figures 1.2cm from the edge of the page, they then visually define the wide outer margin. I want the captions (without caption numbers printed) placed on the inside of the figures or, for wide figures, in the wide margin under the figure. I tried inserting the figure in a float, which then floats to the top of a page, as desired. However the figure caption appears always on the left and is justified to the left margin of the text, irrespective of whether the page is recto or verso. The figure just gets pushed right in response to the length of the caption. I need the caption on the “inside”, whether that is left or right. If the caption is below the figure, the figure can be left or right justified, but only to the text – not to the outer margin. How do I get justification of the figure to the outer margin – not to the text? Whether I set this up in LyX, in the LaTeX preamble or in TeX code, I feel that it should be straightforward and probably a common layout; but I cannot find the right documentation. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, George (Legge)
