Re: mini-buffer's showing and hding

2006-12-14 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 10:04:21AM -0600, Stefano Franchi wrote:
 Closing the minibuffer automatically is (would be) best for those of us 
 with limited screen real estate. I only use LyX on a 12 powerbook, and 
 every pixel is precious. Next to best would be changing the behavior of 
 Alt-x to toggle-minibuffer, as suggested. Certainly less awkward than 
 right clicking and selecting the right option, especially on a Mac, 
 when right-clicking means ctrl-click.

Where would 'merging status line an minibuffer' rank on your list?

Andre'


Re: mini-buffer's showing and hding

2006-12-14 Thread Stefano Franchi


On 13 Dec, 2006, at 5:13 PM, Andre Poenitz wrote:


On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 10:04:21AM -0600, Stefano Franchi wrote:
Closing the minibuffer automatically is (would be) best for those of 
us
with limited screen real estate. I only use LyX on a 12 powerbook, 
and
every pixel is precious. Next to best would be changing the behavior 
of

Alt-x to toggle-minibuffer, as suggested. Certainly less awkward than
right clicking and selecting the right option, especially on a Mac,
when right-clicking means ctrl-click.


Where would 'merging status line an minibuffer' rank on your list?


Hmmm--never thought of this---intriguing. I'd say my preferences would 
be ranked:


1.  can be toggled on/off
2.  the merged status line/minibuffer is fixed (but ui-file 
configurabel)

3. the minibuffer can be toggled


S.



Andre'



__
Stefano Franchi
Department of Philosophy  Ph:  (64)  9 373-7599 x83940
University Of Auckland  Fax: (64) 9 373-8768
Private Bag 92019   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Auckland
New Zealand 



Re: mini-buffer's showing and hding

2006-12-14 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 10:04:21AM -0600, Stefano Franchi wrote:
 Closing the minibuffer automatically is (would be) best for those of us 
 with limited screen real estate. I only use LyX on a 12 powerbook, and 
 every pixel is precious. Next to best would be changing the behavior of 
 Alt-x to toggle-minibuffer, as suggested. Certainly less awkward than 
 right clicking and selecting the right option, especially on a Mac, 
 when right-clicking means ctrl-click.

Where would 'merging status line an minibuffer' rank on your list?

Andre'


Re: mini-buffer's showing and hding

2006-12-14 Thread Stefano Franchi


On 13 Dec, 2006, at 5:13 PM, Andre Poenitz wrote:


On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 10:04:21AM -0600, Stefano Franchi wrote:
Closing the minibuffer automatically is (would be) best for those of 
us
with limited screen real estate. I only use LyX on a 12 powerbook, 
and
every pixel is precious. Next to best would be changing the behavior 
of

Alt-x to toggle-minibuffer, as suggested. Certainly less awkward than
right clicking and selecting the right option, especially on a Mac,
when right-clicking means ctrl-click.


Where would 'merging status line an minibuffer' rank on your list?


Hmmm--never thought of this---intriguing. I'd say my preferences would 
be ranked:


1.  can be toggled on/off
2.  the merged status line/minibuffer is fixed (but ui-file 
configurabel)

3. the minibuffer can be toggled


S.



Andre'



__
Stefano Franchi
Department of Philosophy  Ph:  (64)  9 373-7599 x83940
University Of Auckland  Fax: (64) 9 373-8768
Private Bag 92019   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Auckland
New Zealand 



Re: mini-buffer's showing and hding

2006-12-14 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 10:04:21AM -0600, Stefano Franchi wrote:
> Closing the minibuffer automatically is (would be) best for those of us 
> with limited screen real estate. I only use LyX on a 12" powerbook, and 
> every pixel is precious. Next to best would be changing the behavior of 
> Alt-x to toggle-minibuffer, as suggested. Certainly less awkward than 
> right clicking and selecting the right option, especially on a Mac, 
> when right-clicking means ctrl-click.

Where would 'merging status line an minibuffer' rank on your list?

Andre'


Re: mini-buffer's showing and hding

2006-12-14 Thread Stefano Franchi


On 13 Dec, 2006, at 5:13 PM, Andre Poenitz wrote:


On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 10:04:21AM -0600, Stefano Franchi wrote:
Closing the minibuffer automatically is (would be) best for those of 
us
with limited screen real estate. I only use LyX on a 12" powerbook, 
and
every pixel is precious. Next to best would be changing the behavior 
of

Alt-x to toggle-minibuffer, as suggested. Certainly less awkward than
right clicking and selecting the right option, especially on a Mac,
when right-clicking means ctrl-click.


Where would 'merging status line an minibuffer' rank on your list?


Hmmm--never thought of this---intriguing. I'd say my preferences would 
be ranked:


1.  can be toggled on/off
2.  the merged status line/minibuffer is fixed (but ui-file 
configurabel)

3. the minibuffer can be toggled


S.



Andre'



__
Stefano Franchi
Department of Philosophy  Ph:  (64)  9 373-7599 x83940
University Of Auckland  Fax: (64) 9 373-8768
Private Bag 92019   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Auckland
New Zealand 



Re: mini-buffer's showing and hding

2006-12-12 Thread Stefano Franchi


On 11 Dec, 2006, at 4:41 PM, Paul A. Rubin wrote:


Jens Noeckel wrote:

On Dec 11, 2006, at 1:13 PM, Stefano Franchi wrote:
I would like to revert the minibuffer behavior of my 1.4.x LyX 
installation to the behavior I had under 1.3.x. That is:


1. No minibuffer is shown as default
2. M-x opens the minibuffer for input (and gains focus too)
3. at the end of minibuffer editing, the minibuffer itself is closed.

I cannot replicate step 3:  the mini-buffer, once opened remains 
opened. Any suggestion?



Thanks,

Stefano
I'd like to second this request. There should be a way to get rid of 
the minibuffer after invoking it. I have the line

minibuffer off,bottom
in my user interface file default.ui. When I invoke the command 
line with the key for command-execute, it appears at the bottom, 
but I don't know a way to hide it again. It seems logical to me that 
if the default is off, then LyX should return to that state after 
executing a command from the minibuffer.

Jens


You can get rid of the minibuffer by right clicking in an empty space 
on the toolbar and unchecking it.  That said, I'd like to see M-x 
toggle the minibuffer (open it if closed, close it if open).  Having 
to click (twice) to get rid of it is a bit awkward, not to mention 
less than widely publicized.


I'm not sure I second the notion of automatically closing the 
minibuffer after each command; it's conceivable someone might want to 
type in a sequence of commands (for instance, define several math 
macros in a single orgy of typing).


Closing the minibuffer automatically is (would be) best for those of us 
with limited screen real estate. I only use LyX on a 12 powerbook, and 
every pixel is precious. Next to best would be changing the behavior of 
Alt-x to toggle-minibuffer, as suggested. Certainly less awkward than 
right clicking and selecting the right option, especially on a Mac, 
when right-clicking means ctrl-click. Perhaps the optimal solution 
would be to have three configurable options in the ui. files: on | off 
| toggle. That would make everyone happy, I guess, but it might not be 
trivial


 Cheers,

Stefano




/Paul



__
Stefano Franchi
Department of Philosophy  Ph:  (64)  9 373-7599 x83940
University Of Auckland  Fax: (64) 9 373-8768
Private Bag 92019   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Auckland
New Zealand 


__
Stefano Franchi
Department of Philosophy  Ph:  (64)  9 373-7599 x83940
University Of Auckland  Fax: (64) 9 373-8768
Private Bag 92019   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Auckland
New Zealand 



Re: mini-buffer's showing and hding

2006-12-12 Thread Stefano Franchi


On 11 Dec, 2006, at 4:41 PM, Paul A. Rubin wrote:


Jens Noeckel wrote:

On Dec 11, 2006, at 1:13 PM, Stefano Franchi wrote:
I would like to revert the minibuffer behavior of my 1.4.x LyX 
installation to the behavior I had under 1.3.x. That is:


1. No minibuffer is shown as default
2. M-x opens the minibuffer for input (and gains focus too)
3. at the end of minibuffer editing, the minibuffer itself is closed.

I cannot replicate step 3:  the mini-buffer, once opened remains 
opened. Any suggestion?



Thanks,

Stefano
I'd like to second this request. There should be a way to get rid of 
the minibuffer after invoking it. I have the line

minibuffer off,bottom
in my user interface file default.ui. When I invoke the command 
line with the key for command-execute, it appears at the bottom, 
but I don't know a way to hide it again. It seems logical to me that 
if the default is off, then LyX should return to that state after 
executing a command from the minibuffer.

Jens


You can get rid of the minibuffer by right clicking in an empty space 
on the toolbar and unchecking it.  That said, I'd like to see M-x 
toggle the minibuffer (open it if closed, close it if open).  Having 
to click (twice) to get rid of it is a bit awkward, not to mention 
less than widely publicized.


I'm not sure I second the notion of automatically closing the 
minibuffer after each command; it's conceivable someone might want to 
type in a sequence of commands (for instance, define several math 
macros in a single orgy of typing).


Closing the minibuffer automatically is (would be) best for those of us 
with limited screen real estate. I only use LyX on a 12 powerbook, and 
every pixel is precious. Next to best would be changing the behavior of 
Alt-x to toggle-minibuffer, as suggested. Certainly less awkward than 
right clicking and selecting the right option, especially on a Mac, 
when right-clicking means ctrl-click. Perhaps the optimal solution 
would be to have three configurable options in the ui. files: on | off 
| toggle. That would make everyone happy, I guess, but it might not be 
trivial


 Cheers,

Stefano




/Paul



__
Stefano Franchi
Department of Philosophy  Ph:  (64)  9 373-7599 x83940
University Of Auckland  Fax: (64) 9 373-8768
Private Bag 92019   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Auckland
New Zealand 


__
Stefano Franchi
Department of Philosophy  Ph:  (64)  9 373-7599 x83940
University Of Auckland  Fax: (64) 9 373-8768
Private Bag 92019   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Auckland
New Zealand 



Re: mini-buffer's showing and hding

2006-12-12 Thread Stefano Franchi


On 11 Dec, 2006, at 4:41 PM, Paul A. Rubin wrote:


Jens Noeckel wrote:

On Dec 11, 2006, at 1:13 PM, Stefano Franchi wrote:
I would like to revert the minibuffer behavior of my 1.4.x LyX 
installation to the behavior I had under 1.3.x. That is:


1. No minibuffer is shown as default
2. M-x opens the minibuffer for input (and gains focus too)
3. at the end of minibuffer editing, the minibuffer itself is closed.

I cannot replicate step 3:  the mini-buffer, once opened remains 
opened. Any suggestion?



Thanks,

Stefano
I'd like to second this request. There should be a way to get rid of 
the minibuffer after invoking it. I have the line

"minibuffer" "off,bottom"
in my user interface file "default.ui". When I invoke the command 
line with the key for "command-execute", it appears at the bottom, 
but I don't know a way to hide it again. It seems logical to me that 
if the default is "off", then LyX should return to that state after 
executing a command from the minibuffer.

Jens


You can get rid of the minibuffer by right clicking in an empty space 
on the toolbar and unchecking it.  That said, I'd like to see M-x 
toggle the minibuffer (open it if closed, close it if open).  Having 
to click (twice) to get rid of it is a bit awkward, not to mention 
less than widely publicized.


I'm not sure I second the notion of automatically closing the 
minibuffer after each command; it's conceivable someone might want to 
type in a sequence of commands (for instance, define several math 
macros in a single orgy of typing).


Closing the minibuffer automatically is (would be) best for those of us 
with limited screen real estate. I only use LyX on a 12" powerbook, and 
every pixel is precious. Next to best would be changing the behavior of 
Alt-x to toggle-minibuffer, as suggested. Certainly less awkward than 
right clicking and selecting the right option, especially on a Mac, 
when right-clicking means ctrl-click. Perhaps the optimal solution 
would be to have three configurable options in the ui. files: on | off 
| toggle. That would make everyone happy, I guess, but it might not be 
trivial


 Cheers,

Stefano




/Paul



__
Stefano Franchi
Department of Philosophy  Ph:  (64)  9 373-7599 x83940
University Of Auckland  Fax: (64) 9 373-8768
Private Bag 92019   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Auckland
New Zealand 


__
Stefano Franchi
Department of Philosophy  Ph:  (64)  9 373-7599 x83940
University Of Auckland  Fax: (64) 9 373-8768
Private Bag 92019   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Auckland
New Zealand 



Re: mini-buffer's showing and hding

2006-12-11 Thread Jens Noeckel


On Dec 11, 2006, at 1:13 PM, Stefano Franchi wrote:

I would like to revert the minibuffer behavior of my 1.4.x LyX  
installation to the behavior I had under 1.3.x. That is:


1. No minibuffer is shown as default
2. M-x opens the minibuffer for input (and gains focus too)
3. at the end of minibuffer editing, the minibuffer itself is closed.

I cannot replicate step 3:  the mini-buffer, once opened remains  
opened. Any suggestion?



Thanks,

Stefano


I'd like to second this request. There should be a way to get rid of  
the minibuffer after invoking it. I have the line

minibuffer off,bottom
in my user interface file default.ui. When I invoke the command  
line with the key for command-execute, it appears at the bottom,  
but I don't know a way to hide it again. It seems logical to me that  
if the default is off, then LyX should return to that state after  
executing a command from the minibuffer.


Jens



Re: mini-buffer's showing and hding

2006-12-11 Thread Paul A. Rubin

Jens Noeckel wrote:


On Dec 11, 2006, at 1:13 PM, Stefano Franchi wrote:

I would like to revert the minibuffer behavior of my 1.4.x LyX 
installation to the behavior I had under 1.3.x. That is:


1. No minibuffer is shown as default
2. M-x opens the minibuffer for input (and gains focus too)
3. at the end of minibuffer editing, the minibuffer itself is closed.

I cannot replicate step 3:  the mini-buffer, once opened remains 
opened. Any suggestion?



Thanks,

Stefano


I'd like to second this request. There should be a way to get rid of the 
minibuffer after invoking it. I have the line

minibuffer off,bottom
in my user interface file default.ui. When I invoke the command line 
with the key for command-execute, it appears at the bottom, but I 
don't know a way to hide it again. It seems logical to me that if the 
default is off, then LyX should return to that state after executing a 
command from the minibuffer.


Jens




You can get rid of the minibuffer by right clicking in an empty space on 
the toolbar and unchecking it.  That said, I'd like to see M-x toggle 
the minibuffer (open it if closed, close it if open).  Having to click 
(twice) to get rid of it is a bit awkward, not to mention less than 
widely publicized.


I'm not sure I second the notion of automatically closing the minibuffer 
after each command; it's conceivable someone might want to type in a 
sequence of commands (for instance, define several math macros in a 
single orgy of typing).


/Paul



Re: mini-buffer's showing and hding

2006-12-11 Thread Jens Noeckel


On Dec 11, 2006, at 2:41 PM, Paul A. Rubin wrote:


Jens Noeckel wrote:

On Dec 11, 2006, at 1:13 PM, Stefano Franchi wrote:
I would like to revert the minibuffer behavior of my 1.4.x LyX  
installation to the behavior I had under 1.3.x. That is:


1. No minibuffer is shown as default
2. M-x opens the minibuffer for input (and gains focus too)
3. at the end of minibuffer editing, the minibuffer itself is  
closed.


I cannot replicate step 3:  the mini-buffer, once opened remains  
opened. Any suggestion?



Thanks,

Stefano
I'd like to second this request. There should be a way to get rid  
of the minibuffer after invoking it. I have the line

minibuffer off,bottom
in my user interface file default.ui. When I invoke the command  
line with the key for command-execute, it appears at the bottom,  
but I don't know a way to hide it again. It seems logical to me  
that if the default is off, then LyX should return to that state  
after executing a command from the minibuffer.

Jens


You can get rid of the minibuffer by right clicking in an empty  
space on the toolbar and unchecking it.  That said, I'd like to see  
M-x toggle the minibuffer (open it if closed, close it if open).   
Having to click (twice) to get rid of it is a bit awkward, not to  
mention less than widely publicized.


I'm not sure I second the notion of automatically closing the  
minibuffer after each command; it's conceivable someone might want  
to type in a sequence of commands (for instance, define several  
math macros in a single orgy of typing).


/Paul



Paul,

great, thanks for the hint. It's always fun to discover some new  
hidden feature. That trick is good enough for me, since I don't  
actually invoke the minibuffer all that often.


Jens




Re: mini-buffer's showing and hding

2006-12-11 Thread Jens Noeckel


On Dec 11, 2006, at 1:13 PM, Stefano Franchi wrote:

I would like to revert the minibuffer behavior of my 1.4.x LyX  
installation to the behavior I had under 1.3.x. That is:


1. No minibuffer is shown as default
2. M-x opens the minibuffer for input (and gains focus too)
3. at the end of minibuffer editing, the minibuffer itself is closed.

I cannot replicate step 3:  the mini-buffer, once opened remains  
opened. Any suggestion?



Thanks,

Stefano


I'd like to second this request. There should be a way to get rid of  
the minibuffer after invoking it. I have the line

minibuffer off,bottom
in my user interface file default.ui. When I invoke the command  
line with the key for command-execute, it appears at the bottom,  
but I don't know a way to hide it again. It seems logical to me that  
if the default is off, then LyX should return to that state after  
executing a command from the minibuffer.


Jens



Re: mini-buffer's showing and hding

2006-12-11 Thread Paul A. Rubin

Jens Noeckel wrote:


On Dec 11, 2006, at 1:13 PM, Stefano Franchi wrote:

I would like to revert the minibuffer behavior of my 1.4.x LyX 
installation to the behavior I had under 1.3.x. That is:


1. No minibuffer is shown as default
2. M-x opens the minibuffer for input (and gains focus too)
3. at the end of minibuffer editing, the minibuffer itself is closed.

I cannot replicate step 3:  the mini-buffer, once opened remains 
opened. Any suggestion?



Thanks,

Stefano


I'd like to second this request. There should be a way to get rid of the 
minibuffer after invoking it. I have the line

minibuffer off,bottom
in my user interface file default.ui. When I invoke the command line 
with the key for command-execute, it appears at the bottom, but I 
don't know a way to hide it again. It seems logical to me that if the 
default is off, then LyX should return to that state after executing a 
command from the minibuffer.


Jens




You can get rid of the minibuffer by right clicking in an empty space on 
the toolbar and unchecking it.  That said, I'd like to see M-x toggle 
the minibuffer (open it if closed, close it if open).  Having to click 
(twice) to get rid of it is a bit awkward, not to mention less than 
widely publicized.


I'm not sure I second the notion of automatically closing the minibuffer 
after each command; it's conceivable someone might want to type in a 
sequence of commands (for instance, define several math macros in a 
single orgy of typing).


/Paul



Re: mini-buffer's showing and hding

2006-12-11 Thread Jens Noeckel


On Dec 11, 2006, at 2:41 PM, Paul A. Rubin wrote:


Jens Noeckel wrote:

On Dec 11, 2006, at 1:13 PM, Stefano Franchi wrote:
I would like to revert the minibuffer behavior of my 1.4.x LyX  
installation to the behavior I had under 1.3.x. That is:


1. No minibuffer is shown as default
2. M-x opens the minibuffer for input (and gains focus too)
3. at the end of minibuffer editing, the minibuffer itself is  
closed.


I cannot replicate step 3:  the mini-buffer, once opened remains  
opened. Any suggestion?



Thanks,

Stefano
I'd like to second this request. There should be a way to get rid  
of the minibuffer after invoking it. I have the line

minibuffer off,bottom
in my user interface file default.ui. When I invoke the command  
line with the key for command-execute, it appears at the bottom,  
but I don't know a way to hide it again. It seems logical to me  
that if the default is off, then LyX should return to that state  
after executing a command from the minibuffer.

Jens


You can get rid of the minibuffer by right clicking in an empty  
space on the toolbar and unchecking it.  That said, I'd like to see  
M-x toggle the minibuffer (open it if closed, close it if open).   
Having to click (twice) to get rid of it is a bit awkward, not to  
mention less than widely publicized.


I'm not sure I second the notion of automatically closing the  
minibuffer after each command; it's conceivable someone might want  
to type in a sequence of commands (for instance, define several  
math macros in a single orgy of typing).


/Paul



Paul,

great, thanks for the hint. It's always fun to discover some new  
hidden feature. That trick is good enough for me, since I don't  
actually invoke the minibuffer all that often.


Jens




Re: mini-buffer's showing and hding

2006-12-11 Thread Jens Noeckel


On Dec 11, 2006, at 1:13 PM, Stefano Franchi wrote:

I would like to revert the minibuffer behavior of my 1.4.x LyX  
installation to the behavior I had under 1.3.x. That is:


1. No minibuffer is shown as default
2. M-x opens the minibuffer for input (and gains focus too)
3. at the end of minibuffer editing, the minibuffer itself is closed.

I cannot replicate step 3:  the mini-buffer, once opened remains  
opened. Any suggestion?



Thanks,

Stefano


I'd like to second this request. There should be a way to get rid of  
the minibuffer after invoking it. I have the line

"minibuffer" "off,bottom"
in my user interface file "default.ui". When I invoke the command  
line with the key for "command-execute", it appears at the bottom,  
but I don't know a way to hide it again. It seems logical to me that  
if the default is "off", then LyX should return to that state after  
executing a command from the minibuffer.


Jens



Re: mini-buffer's showing and hding

2006-12-11 Thread Paul A. Rubin

Jens Noeckel wrote:


On Dec 11, 2006, at 1:13 PM, Stefano Franchi wrote:

I would like to revert the minibuffer behavior of my 1.4.x LyX 
installation to the behavior I had under 1.3.x. That is:


1. No minibuffer is shown as default
2. M-x opens the minibuffer for input (and gains focus too)
3. at the end of minibuffer editing, the minibuffer itself is closed.

I cannot replicate step 3:  the mini-buffer, once opened remains 
opened. Any suggestion?



Thanks,

Stefano


I'd like to second this request. There should be a way to get rid of the 
minibuffer after invoking it. I have the line

"minibuffer" "off,bottom"
in my user interface file "default.ui". When I invoke the command line 
with the key for "command-execute", it appears at the bottom, but I 
don't know a way to hide it again. It seems logical to me that if the 
default is "off", then LyX should return to that state after executing a 
command from the minibuffer.


Jens




You can get rid of the minibuffer by right clicking in an empty space on 
the toolbar and unchecking it.  That said, I'd like to see M-x toggle 
the minibuffer (open it if closed, close it if open).  Having to click 
(twice) to get rid of it is a bit awkward, not to mention less than 
widely publicized.


I'm not sure I second the notion of automatically closing the minibuffer 
after each command; it's conceivable someone might want to type in a 
sequence of commands (for instance, define several math macros in a 
single orgy of typing).


/Paul



Re: mini-buffer's showing and hding

2006-12-11 Thread Jens Noeckel


On Dec 11, 2006, at 2:41 PM, Paul A. Rubin wrote:


Jens Noeckel wrote:

On Dec 11, 2006, at 1:13 PM, Stefano Franchi wrote:
I would like to revert the minibuffer behavior of my 1.4.x LyX  
installation to the behavior I had under 1.3.x. That is:


1. No minibuffer is shown as default
2. M-x opens the minibuffer for input (and gains focus too)
3. at the end of minibuffer editing, the minibuffer itself is  
closed.


I cannot replicate step 3:  the mini-buffer, once opened remains  
opened. Any suggestion?



Thanks,

Stefano
I'd like to second this request. There should be a way to get rid  
of the minibuffer after invoking it. I have the line

"minibuffer" "off,bottom"
in my user interface file "default.ui". When I invoke the command  
line with the key for "command-execute", it appears at the bottom,  
but I don't know a way to hide it again. It seems logical to me  
that if the default is "off", then LyX should return to that state  
after executing a command from the minibuffer.

Jens


You can get rid of the minibuffer by right clicking in an empty  
space on the toolbar and unchecking it.  That said, I'd like to see  
M-x toggle the minibuffer (open it if closed, close it if open).   
Having to click (twice) to get rid of it is a bit awkward, not to  
mention less than widely publicized.


I'm not sure I second the notion of automatically closing the  
minibuffer after each command; it's conceivable someone might want  
to type in a sequence of commands (for instance, define several  
math macros in a single orgy of typing).


/Paul



Paul,

great, thanks for the hint. It's always fun to discover some new  
hidden feature. That trick is good enough for me, since I don't  
actually invoke the minibuffer all that often.


Jens