Re: [M100] NEC "PC-8434A utility disk"

[Chris Fezzler]

I have both a Scarlet and PC-8500.  So if it is indeed for them, I'd be 
interested too.


From: Gary Weber To: "m...@bitchin100.com" 
Sent: ‎Saturday‎, ‎August‎ ‎26‎, ‎2017‎ ‎11‎:‎43‎:‎39‎ 
‎PM‎ ‎EDTSubject: Re: [M100] NEC "PC-8434A utility disk"
Are you sure it doesn't say NEC PC-8431A Utility Disk?   Guess I would expect 
the number to be the same as the model of the disk drive, which the System Disk 
also has.  In any case it does sound like it would almost have to be extra 
CP/M-related stuff for the NEC PC-8401A (Starlet) & PC-8500 CP/M machines that 
use the NEC PC-8431A disk system.
If you would care to get rid of it, I'll gladly take it off your hands (for 
whatever you wish) and add it to my NEC archive of stuff.
Gary
On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 7:33 PM, John R. Hogerhuis  wrote:

I found a disk marked NEC PC-8434A utility disk.

Anyone know what it is?
-- John.



-- 
Gary Weber
g...@web8201.com

Re: [M100] Wifi obsolescence?

[Josh Malone]

It's been a long time since I had to deal with wpa issues on Wi-Fi. Most
devices and operating systems seem to have this sorted out by now.

Technically, wpa2 only specifies a protocol and not the cipher. For the
cipher, you can choose between aes and tkip, but you should always use aes
as it's more secure. Check to see if your devices and router offer the
choice and that they agree.

On Aug 27, 2017 06:02, "Jim Williams"  wrote:

> My experience with the WiFi232 (which I intend trying with my m100 and
> my Psion 3a now that I have a serial port installed on my PC (I need the
> serial port to put telnet software on the Psion)) has led me to look
> into connecting all my vintage machines via WiFi, partly for fun, and
> partly because my office space is limited as is the number of ethernet
> plugs on my router... I've an old K6-2 300mhz running Dos 6.22 and
> WFW3.11 that's currently on my network; I got a pci wifi adapter and
> will tackle getting it on the network soon, though I've read that very
> few wifi cards work with DOS, and those are PCMCIA. A few days ago I got
> an airport card for my g3 iMac graphite, and it talks to the network...
> if I stop security.
>
> It seems for some reason the iMac's wpa personal / wpa2 personal isn't
> compatible with my netgear wireless N router WPA1/WPA2.
>
> Now I'm concerned that none of my vintage machines can access the
> network/internet securely. I don't care if they're secure, but I don't
> want them to provide a gateway to my main computer(s).
> I thought of using an old Belkin wireless G router with wep and I think
> wpa1, tying the old machines into it and tying that into my netgear
> router. But wouldn't that compromise security on the entire network? If
> I connected the Belkin to the Netgear via ethernet cable rather than
> wirelessly, would I be able to use that to limit what could access my
> modern computer network?
>
> I want to be able to access my main computer(s) from my vintage ones,
> and I want my vintage machines to access the internet (especially the
> M100 because of the Smaug mud I want to run for Model-Ts). I don't yet
> know if the WiFi232 uses WPA that is compatible with my netgear, which
> would solve the problem in a limited way if it did.
>
> As networks become more and more wireless, with more and more security,
> are we going to become less and less able to connect our old machines to
> the internet and each other?
>
>

Re: [M100] Utility disk image from sector access

[Kurt McCullum]

No it wasn’t. It’s true that the Utility disk does need to have the 
write-protect tab set to work properly. But my copies of the disk didn’t start 
working properly until I figured out the sector IDs and how to write them to 
the copy of the disk.

 

Kurt

 

From: M100 [mailto:m100-boun...@lists.bitchin100.com] On Behalf Of Brian White
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2017 9:14 AM
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Subject: Re: [M100] Utility disk image from sector access

 

It wasn't this simple?

 

On Aug 23, 2017 8:16 PM, "Brian White" mailto:bw.al...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Did you open the write-protect tab on the disk?

 

I have observed that it ignores an officially copied disk (made on a 720K disk 
using the backup utility), if the write-protect hole is closed.

 

On Aug 23, 2017 4:05 PM, "Kurt McCullum" mailto:kurt.mccul...@att.net> > wrote:

A bit too soon to declare total success. I can duplicate data disks without any 
issues. I can even duplicate the Utility disk. But even though the duplicate 
has all the same data, it won’t auto boot. So those extra save commands that I 
think play with the ID portion of the track are essential to creating a true 
duplicate of the Utility disk.

 

I’ll get there but it’s going to take a bit to figure out the ID information.

 

Kurt

 

From: M100 [mailto:m100-boun...@lists.bitchin100.com 
 ] On Behalf Of Kurt McCullum
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 10:13 AM
To: m...@bitchin100.com  
Subject: Re: [M100] Utility disk image from sector access

 

I’ll document what I’ve got John. The backup utility that uses floppy does some 
strange calls which I don’t understand at all. But, if one reads the tracks 
from 0 to 80 and then in turn writes them from 0 to 80, those calls are not 
needed.

 

Backup does some extra reads to determine just how many sectors to copy instead 
of reading the entire disk. And there are some writes that I don’t understand 
at all. I suspect they have something to do with the ID of the sector but I’m 
not sure. Without a manual I’m just guessing.

 

My utility is a simple brute force read of every track and then the same 
routine in reverse. Slow, but it works.

 

Kurt

 

From: M100 [mailto:m100-boun...@lists.bitchin100.com] On Behalf Of John R. 
Hogerhuis
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 9:36 AM
To: m...@bitchin100.com  
Subject: Re: [M100] Utility disk image from sector access

 

 

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 9:24 AM Kurt McCullum mailto:kurt.mccul...@att.net> > wrote:

Success! I’ve got my utility reading AND writing TPDD2 disk images with the 
sector access commands. I’ve got a bit of cleanup and testing left to do and 
then I’ll put it in the members area.

 

Kurt 

 

Documentation on the sector access protocol would be good too :-)

 

It's the one dark corner of tpdd2 protocol (that we know of). 

 

-- John. 

Re: [M100] TPDD Client Link

[Mike Nugent]

Got your e-mail, Kurt. Will send the disk shortly.


On Aug 27, 2017, at 10:18 AM, Kurt McCullum  wrote:

> Thanks Mike. I sent you a private email.
> 
> Kurt
> 
> On Aug 27, 2017 3:40 AM, Mike Nugent  wrote:
> Kurt,
> 
> I’ll keep an eye out for the NEC disk(s),
> 
> I’d be happy to lend you the dictionary floppy (I can’t make an image) and 
> you can return it when you’re done. Will that work? Supply your mailing 
> address here (or to n3ytkxz...@snkmail.com for privacy) and I’ll try to get 
> it sent within a few days.
> 
> — Nuge --
> 
> 
> On Aug 25, 2017, at 11:44 AM, Kurt McCullum  wrote:
> 
> Mike,
> 
> I was able to get the files for the 200 version a year or two ago. But I'm 
> still missing the 100 and NEC versions. It looks like John found the 100 
> version so that should be coming soon. The only missing version now is for 
> the NEC.
> 
> I put these files along with the RAM versions of TS-DOS into the installs of 
> mComm (Both Windows and Android versions). If someone is using the Ultimate 
> ROM-II, they can turn TS-DOS or Sardine on from the main URII menu and mComm 
> will send the appropriate file to the machine.
> 
> I have the image of the dictionary disk that Steve Adolph pulled from a 
> TPDD1. I've hacked together a TPDD2 image of it. Though I must admit I 
> guessed on all of the sector IDs. The image works as it is, but It would be 
> nice to get a TPDD2 image from the real thing just in case I made a mistake 
> somewhere along the way.
> 
> If you have the time and equipment to make an image I'd love to get it. Or if 
> you're willing to let go of the dictionary floppy we can talk off-list about 
> a transaction.
> 
> Kurt
> 
> 
> On Friday, August 25, 2017 7:38 AM, Mike Nugent  wrote:
> 
> 
> I haven’t followed this topic closely.
> 
> Are you still in need of that T200 version? Recently I happened upon the 
> Sardine disk labeled ‘M200' and the accompanying American Dictionary.
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/6sfzl1nymkcbdyh/M200%20Sardine%20and%20American%20Dictionary%20Disks%20v1.30.jpg?dl=0
> 
> There may have been a T200 disk version of TS-DOS with it, too, if that’s 
> helpful. Let me know.
> 
> — Nuge —
> 
> 
> On Aug 24, 2017, at 8:21 AM, Kurt McCullum  wrote:
> 
> John,
>  
> Wow, that may be it! The 200 version had the following files on it.
>  
> SAR200.CO
> RELOC.CO
> RELOC.BA
> SR-OFF.BA
>  
> The critical file is SARXXX.CO. There are three versions.
> SAR100.CO for the 100/102
> SAR200.CO for the T200 (Which I have)
> SARNEC.CO for the 8201/8300
>  
> From: M100 [mailto:m100-boun...@lists.bitchin100.com] On Behalf Of John R. 
> Hogerhuis
> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 10:22 PM
> To: m...@bitchin100.com
> Subject: Re: [M100] TPDD Client Link
>  
> Is it this?
>  
> I have a lot of diskettes I haven't cataloged.
> 
> Moving my hoard to another room this weekend so I may find more things.
>  
> -- John.​
>  
>  Sardine_Tandy_100.jpeg
> ​
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: [M100] Wifi232 support issue

[Brian White]

No one said he was "on the hook" to supply anything. He already supplied
it, and, however possibly inadvertantly, picked certain of his customers to
to receive notices about it, and others not to, who all paid the same
money, without the justification of for example non payment or other bad
customer behavior.

-- 
bkw

On Aug 27, 2017 12:41 PM, "Hagstrom, Paul"  wrote:

> The device updates itself, no Twitter account needed.  Just type
> ATUPDATECHECK to see if there's a new update.  I don't see any good coming
> of presuming that any hobbyist/enthusiast who designs something and makes
> it available to the community for essentially cost is on the hook for
> corporate-level customer service.  Everyone who owns one has a way to check
> for updates, there's no real advantage conferred by knowing there's an
> update prior to the next connection of the device.
>
>  -Paul
>
>
> > On Aug 27, 2017, at 12:09 PM, Brian White  wrote:
> >
> > Actually it sounds like he never engaged Rickard on political topics,
> but Rick penalized him for his political views anyway, in ways he pointedly
> never penalized Rickard.
> >
> > This discussion isn't about politics. It's about Rickard failing to be
> an adult.
> >
> > I think it was very useful knowledge to know that he behaves in that
> way. You buy a product and then are excluded from firmware updates unless
> you figure out that something is up and find your own way around his
> attempt to block you? Did your money stop working in his bank account? Did
> he return it?
> >
> > Here's how you know this discussion isn't about politics: I don't even
> technically know which ofbthese two people's politics I agree with. The
> adult in the conversation has appropriately not said. It's about Rickard's
> behavior to customers, not Rickards politics.
> >
> > --
> > bkw
> >
> >
> > On Aug 27, 2017 11:48 AM, "John R. Hogerhuis"  wrote:
> > It's not a gray area. No politics on this list means no politics on this
> list. I don't need to know what you think and you don't need to know what I
> think on political issues not directly related to vintage computers. It's
> not that hard to not get into that stuff.
> >
> > Even if it's related I don't like flame wars on tangential issues like
> intellectual property on the list. The discussions never solve anything and
> it just makes people angry.
> >
> > Sounds like the moral of the story for wifi232 is don't engage Rickard
> on political topics if you don't agree with him. Good to know.
> >
> > -- John.
> >
>
>

Re: [M100] Wifi232 support issue

[Hagstrom, Paul]

The device updates itself, no Twitter account needed.  Just type ATUPDATECHECK 
to see if there's a new update.  I don't see any good coming of presuming that 
any hobbyist/enthusiast who designs something and makes it available to the 
community for essentially cost is on the hook for corporate-level customer 
service.  Everyone who owns one has a way to check for updates, there's no real 
advantage conferred by knowing there's an update prior to the next connection 
of the device. 

 -Paul


> On Aug 27, 2017, at 12:09 PM, Brian White  wrote:
> 
> Actually it sounds like he never engaged Rickard on political topics, but 
> Rick penalized him for his political views anyway, in ways he pointedly never 
> penalized Rickard.
> 
> This discussion isn't about politics. It's about Rickard failing to be an 
> adult.
> 
> I think it was very useful knowledge to know that he behaves in that way. You 
> buy a product and then are excluded from firmware updates unless you figure 
> out that something is up and find your own way around his attempt to block 
> you? Did your money stop working in his bank account? Did he return it?
> 
> Here's how you know this discussion isn't about politics: I don't even 
> technically know which ofbthese two people's politics I agree with. The adult 
> in the conversation has appropriately not said. It's about Rickard's behavior 
> to customers, not Rickards politics.
> 
> -- 
> bkw
> 
> 
> On Aug 27, 2017 11:48 AM, "John R. Hogerhuis"  wrote:
> It's not a gray area. No politics on this list means no politics on this 
> list. I don't need to know what you think and you don't need to know what I 
> think on political issues not directly related to vintage computers. It's not 
> that hard to not get into that stuff.
> 
> Even if it's related I don't like flame wars on tangential issues like 
> intellectual property on the list. The discussions never solve anything and 
> it just makes people angry. 
> 
> Sounds like the moral of the story for wifi232 is don't engage Rickard on 
> political topics if you don't agree with him. Good to know. 
> 
> -- John. 
> 

Re: [M100] Utility disk image from sector access

[Brian White]

It wasn't this simple?

On Aug 23, 2017 8:16 PM, "Brian White"  wrote:

> Did you open the write-protect tab on the disk?
>
> I have observed that it ignores an officially copied disk (made on a 720K
> disk using the backup utility), if the write-protect hole is closed.
>
> On Aug 23, 2017 4:05 PM, "Kurt McCullum"  wrote:
>
>> A bit too soon to declare total success. I can duplicate data disks
>> without any issues. I can even duplicate the Utility disk. But even though
>> the duplicate has all the same data, it won’t auto boot. So those extra
>> save commands that I think play with the ID portion of the track are
>> essential to creating a true duplicate of the Utility disk.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’ll get there but it’s going to take a bit to figure out the ID
>> information.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* M100 [mailto:m100-boun...@lists.bitchin100.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt
>> McCullum
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 23, 2017 10:13 AM
>> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [M100] Utility disk image from sector access
>>
>>
>>
>> I’ll document what I’ve got John. The backup utility that uses floppy
>> does some strange calls which I don’t understand at all. But, if one reads
>> the tracks from 0 to 80 and then in turn writes them from 0 to 80, those
>> calls are not needed.
>>
>>
>>
>> Backup does some extra reads to determine just how many sectors to copy
>> instead of reading the entire disk. And there are some writes that I don’t
>> understand at all. I suspect they have something to do with the ID of the
>> sector but I’m not sure. Without a manual I’m just guessing.
>>
>>
>>
>> My utility is a simple brute force read of every track and then the same
>> routine in reverse. Slow, but it works.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* M100 [mailto:m100-boun...@lists.bitchin100.com
>> ] *On Behalf Of *John R. Hogerhuis
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 23, 2017 9:36 AM
>> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [M100] Utility disk image from sector access
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 9:24 AM Kurt McCullum 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Success! I’ve got my utility reading AND writing TPDD2 disk images with
>> the sector access commands. I’ve got a bit of cleanup and testing left to
>> do and then I’ll put it in the members area.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>>
>>
>> Documentation on the sector access protocol would be good too :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> It's the one dark corner of tpdd2 protocol (that we know of).
>>
>>
>>
>> -- John.
>>
>

Re: [M100] "Remote Disk"

[Brian White]

I think there might already be one in the archives, but if not I'll make a
dsk or jv1 or something of the M1 disk.

On Aug 27, 2017 11:31 AM, "John R. Hogerhuis"  wrote:

>
> On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 7:52 AM Brian White  wrote:
>
>> I have a disk that says remote disk for Model 1, and it talks about
>> connecting to a Model 100. I don't know which side is the server and which
>> the client, but I don't have the part that goes on the 100 (unless it is
>> fed to the 100 from the 1 like tpdd). I don't have the manual for it, just
>> some cards that give basic generic directions like "make a copy of this
>> first and use the copy only" and refers to some other manual for everything
>> else. If you have something that looks like it is meant to load on a 100,
>> I'd love to see that. I do have a few M1's and working drives to test the
>> M1 side.
>>
>>
> Yeah looks like I've got at least a tape of the remote disk client. I'll
> rip it and scan the manual when I get a chance.
>
> -- John.
>

Re: [M100] Wifi232 support issue

[Brian White]

Actually it sounds like he never engaged Rickard on political topics, but
Rick penalized him for his political views anyway, in ways he pointedly
never penalized Rickard.

This discussion isn't about politics. It's about Rickard failing to be an
adult.

I think it was very useful knowledge to know that he behaves in that way.
You buy a product and then are excluded from firmware updates unless you
figure out that something is up and find your own way around his attempt to
block you? Did your money stop working in his bank account? Did he return
it?

Here's how you know this discussion isn't about politics: I don't even
technically know which ofbthese two people's politics I agree with. The
adult in the conversation has appropriately not said. It's about Rickard's
behavior to customers, not Rickards politics.

-- 
bkw


On Aug 27, 2017 11:48 AM, "John R. Hogerhuis"  wrote:

It's not a gray area. No politics on this list means no politics on this
list. I don't need to know what you think and you don't need to know what I
think on political issues not directly related to vintage computers. It's
not that hard to not get into that stuff.

Even if it's related I don't like flame wars on tangential issues like
intellectual property on the list. The discussions never solve anything and
it just makes people angry.

Sounds like the moral of the story for wifi232 is don't engage Rickard on
political topics if you don't agree with him. Good to know.

-- John.

Re: [M100] Wifi232 support issue

[John R. Hogerhuis]

It's not a gray area. No politics on this list means no politics on this
list. I don't need to know what you think and you don't need to know what I
think on political issues not directly related to vintage computers. It's
not that hard to not get into that stuff.

Even if it's related I don't like flame wars on tangential issues like
intellectual property on the list. The discussions never solve anything and
it just makes people angry.

Sounds like the moral of the story for wifi232 is don't engage Rickard on
political topics if you don't agree with him. Good to know.

-- John.

Re: [M100] "Remote Disk"

[John R. Hogerhuis]

On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 7:52 AM Brian White  wrote:

> I have a disk that says remote disk for Model 1, and it talks about
> connecting to a Model 100. I don't know which side is the server and which
> the client, but I don't have the part that goes on the 100 (unless it is
> fed to the 100 from the 1 like tpdd). I don't have the manual for it, just
> some cards that give basic generic directions like "make a copy of this
> first and use the copy only" and refers to some other manual for everything
> else. If you have something that looks like it is meant to load on a 100,
> I'd love to see that. I do have a few M1's and working drives to test the
> M1 side.
>
>
Yeah looks like I've got at least a tape of the remote disk client. I'll
rip it and scan the manual when I get a chance.

-- John.

Re: [M100] "Remote Disk"

[Brian White]

I have a disk that says remote disk for Model 1, and it talks about
connecting to a Model 100. I don't know which side is the server and which
the client, but I don't have the part that goes on the 100 (unless it is
fed to the 100 from the 1 like tpdd). I don't have the manual for it, just
some cards that give basic generic directions like "make a copy of this
first and use the copy only" and refers to some other manual for everything
else. If you have something that looks like it is meant to load on a 100,
I'd love to see that. I do have a few M1's and working drives to test the
M1 side.

On Aug 26, 2017 10:38 PM, "John R. Hogerhuis"  wrote:

> I found a Radio Shack program called "Remote Disk" in my pile..
>
> It seems to be the client piece of a Model100->PC based disk system.
>
> The interesting thing is it will use various Tandy machines as a disk
> service, including the Coco.
>
> Doubt I'd ever use it but does anyone have the "server" piece for a Tandy
> machine?
>
> -- John.
>

Re: [M100] TPDD Client Link

[Kurt McCullum]

Thanks Mike. I sent you a private email.
Kurt
On Aug 27, 2017 3:40 AM, Mike Nugent  wrote:Kurt,I’ll keep an eye out for the NEC disk(s),I’d be happy to lend you the dictionary floppy (I can’t make an image) and you can return it when you’re done. Will that work? Supply your mailing address here (or to n3ytkxznju@snkmail.com for privacy) and I’ll try to get it sent within a few days.— Nuge --On Aug 25, 2017, at 11:44 AM, Kurt McCullum  wrote:Mike,I was able to get the files for the 200 version a year or two ago. But I'm still missing the 100 and NEC versions. It looks like John found the 100 version so that should be coming soon. The only missing version now is for the NEC.I put these files along with the RAM versions of TS-DOS into the installs of mComm (Both Windows and Android versions). If someone is using the Ultimate ROM-II, they can turn TS-DOS or Sardine on from the main URII menu and mComm will send the appropriate file to the machine.I have the image of the dictionary disk that Steve Adolph pulled from a TPDD1. I've hacked together a TPDD2 image of it. Though I must admit I guessed on all of the sector IDs. The image works as it is, but It would be nice to get a TPDD2 image from the real thing just in case I made a mistake somewhere along the way.If you have the time and equipment to make an image I'd love to get it. Or if you're willing to let go of the dictionary floppy we can talk off-list about a transaction.Kurt On Friday, August 25, 2017 7:38 AM, Mike Nugent  wrote:   I haven’t followed this topic closely.Are you still in need of that T200 version? Recently I happened upon the Sardine disk labeled ‘M200' and the accompanying American Dictionary.https://www.dropbox.com/s/6sfzl1nymkcbdyh/M200%20Sardine%20and%20American%20Dictionary%20Disks%20v1.30.jpg?dl=0There may have been a T200 disk version of TS-DOS with it, too, if that’s helpful. Let me know.— Nuge —On Aug 24, 2017, at 8:21 AM, Kurt McCullum  wrote:John, Wow, that may be it! The 200 version had the following files on it. SAR200.CORELOC.CORELOC.BASR-OFF.BA The critical file is SARXXX.CO. There are three versions.SAR100.CO for the 100/102SAR200.CO for the T200 (Which I have)SARNEC.CO for the 8201/8300 From: M100 [mailto:m100-bounces@lists.bitchin100.com] On Behalf Of John R. HogerhuisSent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 10:22 PMTo: m100@bitchin100.comSubject: Re: [M100] TPDD Client Link  Is it this?  I have a lot of diskettes I haven't cataloged.Moving my hoard to another room this weekend so I may find more things.  -- John.​   Sardine_Tandy_100.jpeg​ 

Re: [M100] TPDD Client Link

[Mike Nugent]

Kurt,

I’ll keep an eye out for the NEC disk(s),

I’d be happy to lend you the dictionary floppy (I can’t make an image) and you 
can return it when you’re done. Will that work? Supply your mailing address 
here (or to n3ytkxz...@snkmail.com for privacy) and I’ll try to get it sent 
within a few days.

— Nuge --


On Aug 25, 2017, at 11:44 AM, Kurt McCullum  wrote:

> Mike,
> 
> I was able to get the files for the 200 version a year or two ago. But I'm 
> still missing the 100 and NEC versions. It looks like John found the 100 
> version so that should be coming soon. The only missing version now is for 
> the NEC.
> 
> I put these files along with the RAM versions of TS-DOS into the installs of 
> mComm (Both Windows and Android versions). If someone is using the Ultimate 
> ROM-II, they can turn TS-DOS or Sardine on from the main URII menu and mComm 
> will send the appropriate file to the machine.
> 
> I have the image of the dictionary disk that Steve Adolph pulled from a 
> TPDD1. I've hacked together a TPDD2 image of it. Though I must admit I 
> guessed on all of the sector IDs. The image works as it is, but It would be 
> nice to get a TPDD2 image from the real thing just in case I made a mistake 
> somewhere along the way.
> 
> If you have the time and equipment to make an image I'd love to get it. Or if 
> you're willing to let go of the dictionary floppy we can talk off-list about 
> a transaction.
> 
> Kurt
> 
> 
> On Friday, August 25, 2017 7:38 AM, Mike Nugent  wrote:
> 
> 
> I haven’t followed this topic closely.
> 
> Are you still in need of that T200 version? Recently I happened upon the 
> Sardine disk labeled ‘M200' and the accompanying American Dictionary.
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/6sfzl1nymkcbdyh/M200%20Sardine%20and%20American%20Dictionary%20Disks%20v1.30.jpg?dl=0
> 
> There may have been a T200 disk version of TS-DOS with it, too, if that’s 
> helpful. Let me know.
> 
> — Nuge —
> 
> 
> On Aug 24, 2017, at 8:21 AM, Kurt McCullum  wrote:
> 
>> John,
>>  
>> Wow, that may be it! The 200 version had the following files on it.
>>  
>> SAR200.CO
>> RELOC.CO
>> RELOC.BA
>> SR-OFF.BA
>>  
>> The critical file is SARXXX.CO. There are three versions.
>> SAR100.CO for the 100/102
>> SAR200.CO for the T200 (Which I have)
>> SARNEC.CO for the 8201/8300
>>  
>> From: M100 [mailto:m100-boun...@lists.bitchin100.com] On Behalf Of John R. 
>> Hogerhuis
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 10:22 PM
>> To: m...@bitchin100.com
>> Subject: Re: [M100] TPDD Client Link
>>  
>> Is it this?
>>  
>> I have a lot of diskettes I haven't cataloged.
>> 
>> Moving my hoard to another room this weekend so I may find more things.
>>  
>> -- John.​
>>  
>>  Sardine_Tandy_100.jpeg
>> ​
> 
> 
> 

[M100] Wifi obsolescence?

[Jim Williams]

My experience with the WiFi232 (which I intend trying with my m100 and 
my Psion 3a now that I have a serial port installed on my PC (I need the 
serial port to put telnet software on the Psion)) has led me to look 
into connecting all my vintage machines via WiFi, partly for fun, and 
partly because my office space is limited as is the number of ethernet 
plugs on my router... I've an old K6-2 300mhz running Dos 6.22 and 
WFW3.11 that's currently on my network; I got a pci wifi adapter and 
will tackle getting it on the network soon, though I've read that very 
few wifi cards work with DOS, and those are PCMCIA. A few days ago I got 
an airport card for my g3 iMac graphite, and it talks to the network... 
if I stop security.

It seems for some reason the iMac's wpa personal / wpa2 personal isn't 
compatible with my netgear wireless N router WPA1/WPA2.

Now I'm concerned that none of my vintage machines can access the 
network/internet securely. I don't care if they're secure, but I don't 
want them to provide a gateway to my main computer(s).
I thought of using an old Belkin wireless G router with wep and I think 
wpa1, tying the old machines into it and tying that into my netgear 
router. But wouldn't that compromise security on the entire network? If 
I connected the Belkin to the Netgear via ethernet cable rather than 
wirelessly, would I be able to use that to limit what could access my 
modern computer network?

I want to be able to access my main computer(s) from my vintage ones, 
and I want my vintage machines to access the internet (especially the 
M100 because of the Smaug mud I want to run for Model-Ts). I don't yet 
know if the WiFi232 uses WPA that is compatible with my netgear, which 
would solve the problem in a limited way if it did.

As networks become more and more wireless, with more and more security, 
are we going to become less and less able to connect our old machines to 
the internet and each other?

[M100] Wifi232 support issue

[Jim Williams]

After purchasing a Wifi232 from Paul Rickards (@paulrickards on 
twitter), I began following him on twitter to remain informed of 
firmware updates and availability of new units; I'd planned on buying 1 
or 2 more when they became available.

While I find most of his social/political views expressed on twitter 
distasteful, I still followed him, because the point was the Wifi232 
module which I still believe is a very good idea and useful device. I've 
been promoting it, and still encourage others to get one.

I began wondering why he was so quiet on twitter recently... yup, I was 
blocked. I no doubt said something on twitter with which he had extreme 
issues.

It's not my intent to politicize the mailing list. I just found out I 
was blocked, then viewed his twitter timeline from another twitter 
account... and he announced a firmware upgrade of which I was completely 
unaware because he'd blocked me on twitter. This seems unethical to me, 
but we're living in an age of growing censorship.

I still think this is a good device, I still encourage other Model-T 
owners to acquire one, and intend getting another if possible. I *am* 
more anxious for the development of the Woolley Model-T expansion 
device, now, for my two m100s. But as they are specialized for the m100, 
they won't do much for the rest of my vintage computers (a collection 
I'm hoping to rebuild... boy is ebay getting expensive!).

It doesn't occur to Mr Rickards, I guess, that I'm as distasteful of 
paying my money to a left-wing extremist as he is of selling his product 
to a right-wing extremist (from our relative perspectives). Perhaps I do 
him an injustice, and he'll sell me a 2nd one when they become available 
again, anyway. I'm no way advocating that he be required to sell me his 
product (although I do think he's ethically required to support a 
product he's already sold to me).

I'm not requesting a boycott, nor am I requesting or even encouraging 
anyone to address the issue to him. I'm not even whining that I got 
blocked; I've blocked a number of people and been blocked far more than 
once.
  I just want people to be aware that if you've bought a product from 
him, don't assume that a lack of communication from him means there's no 
development in the product. I haven't had a chance to try the one I 
received out yet, but based on everything I've seen and read, and based 
upon physical examination, it's a good product. But there's a firmware 
update for the Wifi232 which I haven't downloaded because I didn't know 
about it.
So check his website periodically. Following him on twitter is somewhat 
mandatory as that is where he announces new production runs of the 
Wifi232, and they go quickly.

Sorry if this is somewhat off-topic or edges into the gray area of the 
mailing list rules, but I felt, as the wifi232 could be a very useful 
device for Model-T owners, they need to be aware of this potential problem.
Here's a link to his project website for those not familiar with the 
wifi232 and who may wish to buy one:
http://biosrhythm.com/?page_id=1453