Re: [M100] E-mail duplications

[Willard Goosey]

On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 22:56:36 -0700
"John R. Hogerhuis"  wrote:

> Hello Peter,
> 
> I've never heard of that problem. I guess it's unique to the digest
> thingy, which most of us do not use.
> 
No I see it too. Actually I've been getting a little cranky about
it! :-(

What was happening with me is that, when I reply to the list, instead
of being presented with a "To:" address of m...@bitchin100.com it comes
up as "CC:". Hence, if I don't manually change it to "To:" I send the
list 2 copies of my response.

So I have to be careful and manually set the header to "To:".

(This is in Claws Mail under Raspian). I imagine other pretty pretty
GUI apps are doing the same thing. I think it's trying to send
the response to the originator (m100 list) and also to everybody else
(m100 list...)

So yeah, it would be appreciated if posters would take the time to make
sure the post is To: m100... and not CC: m100

Willard
-- 
Willard Goosey  goo...@sdc.org
Socorro, New Mexico, USA
I search my heart and find Cimmeria, land of Darkness and the Night.
  -- R.E. Howard

Re: [M100] E-mail duplications

[John R. Hogerhuis]

Hello Peter,

I've never heard of that problem. I guess it's unique to the digest thingy,
which most of us do not use.

AFAIK I only get one copy of the emails.

Anyone have an idea why this might happen to the digest?

Our list uses GNU Mailman.

-- John

Re: [M100] M100 Digest, Vol 93, Issue 9

[Peter Vollan]

You have died of dysentery.

On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 at 20:41, John R. Hogerhuis  wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2018, 8:06 PM Jim Williams  wrote:
>>
>> Guess I need to get back to work on Imperial Stars and The Organ Trail
>> for M100...
>
>
> I'd play Oregon Trail :-)
>
> -- John.

[M100] E-mail duplications

[Peter Noeth]

All / Moderator,

  What is the purpose of sending an e-mail to m...@bitchen100.com and
cc'ing m...@lists.bitchen100.com

  I subscribe to the list daily (or so) digest, and for all e-mails sent in
this way, I see the first e-mail and immediately after it, a duplicate.

  Doesn't this consume an un-necessarily large amount of storage space,
especially when replying to other long discussions? I know, for me, it can
make it difficult to read the digest and follow along.


No flames, Just curious,

Peter

Re: [M100] M100 Digest, Vol 93, Issue 9

[John R. Hogerhuis]

On Wed, Sep 12, 2018, 8:06 PM Jim Williams  wrote:

> Guess I need to get back to work on Imperial Stars and The Organ Trail
> for M100...
>

I'd play Oregon Trail :-)

-- John.

>

Re: [M100] M100 Digest, Vol 93, Issue 9

[Jim Williams]

Guess I need to get back to work on Imperial Stars and The Organ Trail 
for M100...
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 18:12:08 -0400
> From: Jesus R 
> To: m100@lists.bitchin100.com
> Subject: [M100] call for programs and games
> Message-ID:
>   
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Team, I now have: 1. Simple communication between my computer and my T100.
> 2. I can also save files from my T100 as WAV files and upload them to
> Google Docs for easy download on the go via a cell phone or computer. I
> only have a few programs and games to add to my database though. If you can
> send me your programs and games...I'll start adding them to my database so
> everyone can access them. The programs and games should be freeware /
> shareware.
>
> Link to database:
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1m7QRN1I5KpJJO_RKYnwFhmrluDjbYm6bEe_rIgz80ug/edit?usp=sharing
>
> Please submit the following with your files:
> 1. Author name
> 2. Program name
> 3. Genre: game, utility, etc.
> 4. Year
> -- next part --

Re: [M100] Keep it positive, friends

[Mitch Parker]

John,

Thank you.

Also thank you for reviewing my Purdue guest lecture on this subject :).

Have a great evening,

Mitch

On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 9:49 PM Chris Fezzler  wrote:

> A++  Rick didn't go for that.
>
> On Wednesday, September 12, 2018, 3:41:08 PM EDT, John R. Hogerhuis <
> jho...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>
> All --
>
> I get comments from people that our positive, on-topic atmosphere is a big
> reason why people stay subscribed to this list. But to maintain that
> atmosphere requires some restraint on all of our parts. Like everything
> here, it's a collaborative effort.
>
> Please let's end this negativity and back to fun mode. We're here to have
> fun with our old tech. No reason for the acrimony.
>
> It crops up time to time, feelings get hurt, and people react. I get it.
> I've done it.
>
> Let's move on and get back to a positive atmosphere.
>
> Brian --
>
> Swearing on the list is a big no-no. We have folks on the list that REALLY
> do not appreciate it, and we need to respect their sensibility and keep a
> positive atmosphere.
>
> I don't recall if I've talked to you about before so this time we'll let
> it go. But it it happens again, I will throw the moderation bit on which
> means your emails will be delayed because a mod has to screen them. I don't
> think no swearing is a difficult ask. Either way, it's the requirement for
> this list.
>
> You're an important contributor to our community, and I'm guessing just
> stating the rule is all it will take, and the moderation path won't be
> necessary.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -- John.
>
> -= Model T's Forever =-
>

Re: [M100] Keep it positive, friends

[Chris Fezzler]

 A++  Rick didn't go for that.
On Wednesday, September 12, 2018, 3:41:08 PM EDT, John R. Hogerhuis 
 wrote:  
 
 All --

I get comments from people that our positive, on-topic atmosphere is a big 
reason why people stay subscribed to this list. But to maintain that atmosphere 
requires some restraint on all of our parts. Like everything here, it's a 
collaborative effort.

Please let's end this negativity and back to fun mode. We're here to have fun 
with our old tech. No reason for the acrimony.

It crops up time to time, feelings get hurt, and people react. I get it. I've 
done it.

Let's move on and get back to a positive atmosphere. 

Brian --

Swearing on the list is a big no-no. We have folks on the list that REALLY do 
not appreciate it, and we need to respect their sensibility and keep a positive 
atmosphere.

I don't recall if I've talked to you about before so this time we'll let it go. 
But it it happens again, I will throw the moderation bit on which means your 
emails will be delayed because a mod has to screen them. I don't think no 
swearing is a difficult ask. Either way, it's the requirement for this list.
You're an important contributor to our community, and I'm guessing just stating 
the rule is all it will take, and the moderation path won't be necessary.

Thanks,

-- John.
-= Model T's Forever =-  

Re: [M100] call for programs and games

[Brian White]

Would that actually work? I'm trying it!
Thanks!




On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 12:54 PM you got me  wrote:

> one thing. there is a m100 like rom that is at the bare minimum= the
> one for the KC-85.
>
> https://1drv.ms/u/s!AgRHXuUu57CeghxpVZyWgczeBWxO
> 
> kc 85.zip 
> Shared via OneDrive
>
> --
> *From:* M100  on behalf of Stephen
> Adolph 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 12, 2018 4:06:18 PM
> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com
> *Subject:* Re: [M100] call for programs and games
>
> I created an M100 rom variant, that was fully compatible, that had a ~100
> byte hole in it.  might be useful.
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 10:53 AM Ken Pettit  wrote:
>
> You mean the word "TEENY"?  Yes, I think so.  There are 6 unused bytes
> (currently NOPs) at the end of the M100 ROM!  ;)
>
> Okay, taking the question seriously, based on what you are willing to
> remove, there is space for just about anything.  But you have to give up
> something.
>
> Ken
>
> On 9/12/18 12:31 AM, VANDEN BOSSCHE JAN wrote:
>
> Is there enough place in the main ROM to squeeze in  TEENY ?
>
>
>
> Greetings from the TyRannoSaurus / Jan-80@work
>
>
>
> *From:* M100 [mailto:m100-boun...@lists.bitchin100.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *John R. Hogerhuis
> *Sent:* woensdag 12 september 2018 0:45
> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com
> *Subject:* Re: [M100] call for programs and games
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

-- 
bkw

[M100] Keep it positive, friends

[John R. Hogerhuis]

All --

I get comments from people that our positive, on-topic atmosphere is a big
reason why people stay subscribed to this list. But to maintain that
atmosphere requires some restraint on all of our parts. Like everything
here, it's a collaborative effort.

Please let's end this negativity and back to fun mode. We're here to have
fun with our old tech. No reason for the acrimony.

It crops up time to time, feelings get hurt, and people react. I get it.
I've done it.

Let's move on and get back to a positive atmosphere.

Brian --

Swearing on the list is a big no-no. We have folks on the list that REALLY
do not appreciate it, and we need to respect their sensibility and keep a
positive atmosphere.

I don't recall if I've talked to you about before so this time we'll let it
go. But it it happens again, I will throw the moderation bit on which means
your emails will be delayed because a mod has to screen them. I don't think
no swearing is a difficult ask. Either way, it's the requirement for this
list.

You're an important contributor to our community, and I'm guessing just
stating the rule is all it will take, and the moderation path won't be
necessary.

Thanks,

-- John.

-= Model T's Forever =-

Re: [M100] M100 Digest, Vol 92, Issue 11

[Mike Stein]

Brian, you've made a lot of valuable contributions to the Radio Shack community 
and especially the ModelT part of it, and it's appreciated.

But there's no need for you to be rude; the one thing that really stands out 
about this mail list is that for the most part it's a friendly and helpful 
place, generally free of the insults and ad-hominem attacks and arguments so 
frequent on some other lists.

John's original post concerning the format of  "your interesting posts" was 
"just a suggestion" and he essentially asked you for a favour which he "would 
appreciate." It was certainly not an "attempt to criticize me" or a "stupid 
conversation," nor was he "picking the damned fight in the first place," and 
you might want to reflect on why you perceived it that way...

If it's really not possible to accommodate him and others like him or it's just 
too inconvenient for you then that's all you have to say.

His "difficulties" may indeed ultimately be his "responsibility" but that 
doesn't really absolve you of showing at least some consideration. I recall the 
same thing when you first joined this group and started posting your tidbits on 
Facebook; when the members who've chosen not to join FB asked if you could at 
least cross-post on this list or another place accessible to the public your 
initial answer was more or less the same "just suck it up and move with the 
times". Thanks for ultimately relenting ;-)

BTW, if you're going to criticise "the formatting of his own email," especially 
top-posting, then maybe you shouldn't top-post either as you did in this 
message. FWIW, personally I think bottom-posting is inefficient these days in 
this setting and the eternal bottom/top argument is getting pretty stale.

"Don't even try to make this about tone or some crap like that." As a matter of 
fact that's exactly what it's about and as far as I can see it's mainly you 
that's setting this confrontational and argumentative tone with words like 
"stupid, damned fight, why the hell etc.".

'Nuff said...

m

- Original Message - 
From: Brian White 
To: m...@bitchin100.com 
Cc: Model 100 Discussion 
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: [M100] M100 Digest, Vol 92, Issue 11


I don't think it's passe. I think it's cool as hell. But that doesn't change 
the fact that whatever difficulties you run in to by doing *that*, are your own 
responsibility, not mine or anyone else's.


For example, if you discover that there is no such thing as a dos email client 
that can do ssl, and your isp or hotmail (also, hotmail? really? you thought 
that was an argument?) decides to stop supporting unencrypted smtp/pop/imap, 
it's you who has to absorb that, not the isp who has to go back.


Not all change is progress or good of course, but much is both unavoidable and 
simply required.


I didn't say I was ising gmail to imply gmail is the gold standard. I meant to 
imply that gmail is a fact of life like the weather. It exists and a bezillion 
people use it, and even if it IS doing something wrong, it's too bad. It's not 
reasonable to say "you can't use gmail".


And what about the points I brought up with the formatting of his own email? If 
his argument about html were valid, then mine were too.


I know exactly what I did and did not say, or even imply, and I did not say 
anything either wrong or unfair. If you don't like the fact that I rejected 
someone's attempt to criticize me, then I suggest go have a problem with them 
for picking the damned fight in the first place. I didn't try to tell anyone 
else what to do to please ME. Why the hell isn't THAT the problem rather than 
my rejection of it?


If you would say something to me, be right, or be prepared to have me say 
something right back. Don't even try to make this about tone or some crap like 
that either. The tone is set by someone else starting something, and now 
someone else picking it up when they decide they don't like how I declined to 
participate. If you don't like how I react, remember that the word is react. I 
didn't initiate this stupid conversation. If you don't like it, then don't 
start it or re-start it when it had ended weeks ago.


For example, I didn't come on here this morning and decide, "I'm going to 
ridicule someone for using hotmail."


OK? This thing was done and I had let it die, and I didn't even take the last 
word back when it died or anything. I said my piece and let the OP have his 
parting crack. But I'm the asshole. Fine by me, yes I am.


-- 
bkw












On Wed, Sep 12, 2018, 4:05 AM Jim Williams  wrote:

On 8/21/2018 3:38 PM, m100-requ...@lists.bitchin100.com wrote:

Message: 5
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 06:40:27 -0400
From: Brian White 
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Subject: Re: [M100] New Age Digital Storage Box (NADSBox)
Message-ID:
 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Ok, just remember who started this conversation...



If you are reading email in pine or mutt in 2018, well I applaud you, but I
c

Re: [M100] call for programs and games

[you got me]

one thing. there is a m100 like rom that is at the bare minimum= the one 
for the KC-85.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AgRHXuUu57CeghxpVZyWgczeBWxO

[https://r1.res.office365.com/owa/prem/images/dc-zip_40.png]
kc 85.zip
Shared via OneDrive





From: M100  on behalf of Stephen Adolph 

Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 4:06:18 PM
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Subject: Re: [M100] call for programs and games

I created an M100 rom variant, that was fully compatible, that had a ~100 byte 
hole in it.  might be useful.


On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 10:53 AM Ken Pettit 
mailto:petti...@gmail.com>> wrote:
You mean the word "TEENY"?  Yes, I think so.  There are 6 unused bytes 
(currently NOPs) at the end of the M100 ROM!  ;)

Okay, taking the question seriously, based on what you are willing to remove, 
there is space for just about anything.  But you have to give up something.

Ken

On 9/12/18 12:31 AM, VANDEN BOSSCHE JAN wrote:

Is there enough place in the main ROM to squeeze in  TEENY ?



Greetings from the TyRannoSaurus / Jan-80@work



From: M100 [mailto:m100-boun...@lists.bitchin100.com] On Behalf Of John R. 
Hogerhuis
Sent: woensdag 12 september 2018 0:45
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Subject: Re: [M100] call for programs and games

Re: [M100] call for programs and games

[Stephen Adolph]

I created an M100 rom variant, that was fully compatible, that had a ~100
byte hole in it.  might be useful.


On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 10:53 AM Ken Pettit  wrote:

> You mean the word "TEENY"?  Yes, I think so.  There are 6 unused bytes
> (currently NOPs) at the end of the M100 ROM!  ;)
>
> Okay, taking the question seriously, based on what you are willing to
> remove, there is space for just about anything.  But you have to give up
> something.
>
> Ken
>
> On 9/12/18 12:31 AM, VANDEN BOSSCHE JAN wrote:
>
> Is there enough place in the main ROM to squeeze in  TEENY ?
>
>
>
> Greetings from the TyRannoSaurus / Jan-80@work
>
>
>
> *From:* M100 [mailto:m100-boun...@lists.bitchin100.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *John R. Hogerhuis
> *Sent:* woensdag 12 september 2018 0:45
> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com
> *Subject:* Re: [M100] call for programs and games
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [M100] call for programs and games

[Ken Pettit]

You mean the word "TEENY"?  Yes, I think so.  There are 6 unused bytes 
(currently NOPs) at the end of the M100 ROM!  ;)


Okay, taking the question seriously, based on what you are willing to 
remove, there is space for just about anything.  But you have to give up 
something.


Ken

On 9/12/18 12:31 AM, VANDEN BOSSCHE JAN wrote:


Is there enough place in the main ROM to squeeze in  TEENY ?

Greetings from the TyRannoSaurus / Jan-80@work

*From:*M100 [mailto:m100-boun...@lists.bitchin100.com] *On Behalf Of 
*John R. Hogerhuis

*Sent:* woensdag 12 september 2018 0:45
*To:* m...@bitchin100.com
*Subject:* Re: [M100] call for programs and games

Re: [M100] M100 Digest, Vol 92, Issue 11

[Brian White]

I don't think it's passe. I think it's cool as hell. But that doesn't
change the fact that whatever difficulties you run in to by doing *that*,
are your own responsibility, not mine or anyone else's.

For example, if you discover that there is no such thing as a dos email
client that can do ssl, and your isp or hotmail (also, hotmail? really? you
thought that was an argument?) decides to stop supporting unencrypted
smtp/pop/imap, it's you who has to absorb that, not the isp who has to go
back.

Not all change is progress or good of course, but much is both unavoidable
and simply required.

I didn't say I was ising gmail to imply gmail is the gold standard. I meant
to imply that gmail is a fact of life like the weather. It exists and a
bezillion people use it, and even if it IS doing something wrong, it's too
bad. It's not reasonable to say "you can't use gmail".

And what about the points I brought up with the formatting of his own
email? If his argument about html were valid, then mine were too.

I know exactly what I did and did not say, or even imply, and I did not say
anything either wrong or unfair. If you don't like the fact that I rejected
someone's attempt to criticize me, then I suggest go have a problem with
them for picking the damned fight in the first place. I didn't try to tell
anyone else what to do to please ME. Why the hell isn't THAT the problem
rather than my rejection of it?

If you would say something to me, be right, or be prepared to have me say
something right back. Don't even try to make this about tone or some crap
like that either. The tone is set by someone else starting something, and
now someone else picking it up when they decide they don't like how I
declined to participate. If you don't like how I react, remember that the
word is react. I didn't initiate this stupid conversation. If you don't
like it, then don't start it or re-start it when it had ended weeks ago.

For example, I didn't come on here this morning and decide, "I'm going to
ridicule someone for using hotmail."

OK? This thing was done and I had let it die, and I didn't even take the
last word back when it died or anything. I said my piece and let the OP
have his parting crack. But I'm the asshole. Fine by me, yes I am.

-- 
bkw






On Wed, Sep 12, 2018, 4:05 AM Jim Williams  wrote:

> On 8/21/2018 3:38 PM, m100-requ...@lists.bitchin100.com wrote:
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 06:40:27 -0400
> From: Brian White  
> To: m...@bitchin100.com
> Subject: Re: [M100] New Age Digital Storage Box (NADSBox)
> Message-ID:
>
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Ok, just remember who started this conversation...
>
>
>
> If you are reading email in pine or mutt in 2018, well I applaud you, but I
> consider that your choice to self-flaggelate, not anyone else's reasonable
> obligation to cater to.
>
> Hello... this is a RADIO SHACK TRS80 MODEL 100 mailing list... 35 year old
> vintage technology... not real persuasive making fun of people on this list
> for using... vintage technology.
>
> I use hotmail for this mailing list, at present. I intend purging myself
> of gmail (along with all things Giggle) as much, as soon as possible. I'm
> also working to do as much of my computing as possible under DOS 6.22 / WFW
> 3.11 because I have that kind of perverse personality (what I have to do
> with modern hardware/software I'll do under Linux). Hopefully, if I can get
> SSL working with it, Arachne will be my browser of choice, and probably my
> mail client as well. And I won't care in the least if you think it's
> passe'.
>
> When convenient, you might consider searching with DuckDuckGo for
> "dilettante".
>
>
>
>

Re: [M100] M100 Digest, Vol 92, Issue 11

[Jim Williams]

On 8/21/2018 3:38 PM, 
m100-requ...@lists.bitchin100.com 
wrote:

Message: 5
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 06:40:27 -0400
From: Brian White 
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Subject: Re: [M100] New Age Digital Storage Box (NADSBox)
Message-ID:


Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Ok, just remember who started this conversation...



If you are reading email in pine or mutt in 2018, well I applaud you, but I
consider that your choice to self-flaggelate, not anyone else's reasonable
obligation to cater to.

Hello... this is a RADIO SHACK TRS80 MODEL 100 mailing list... 35 year old 
vintage technology... not real persuasive making fun of people on this list for 
using... vintage technology.

I use hotmail for this mailing list, at present. I intend purging myself of 
gmail (along with all things Giggle) as much, as soon as possible. I'm also 
working to do as much of my computing as possible under DOS 6.22 / WFW 3.11 
because I have that kind of perverse personality (what I have to do with modern 
hardware/software I'll do under Linux). Hopefully, if I can get SSL working 
with it, Arachne will be my browser of choice, and probably my mail client as 
well. And I won't care in the least if you think it's passe'.

When convenient, you might consider searching with DuckDuckGo for "dilettante".

Re: [M100] call for programs and games

[VANDEN BOSSCHE JAN]

Is there enough place in the main ROM to squeeze in  TEENY ?

Greetings from the TyRannoSaurus / Jan-80@work

From: M100 [mailto:m100-boun...@lists.bitchin100.com] On Behalf Of John R. 
Hogerhuis
Sent: woensdag 12 september 2018 0:45
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Subject: Re: [M100] call for programs and games


On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 3:39 PM John Gardner 
mailto:gof...@gmail.com>> wrote:
...If you could make room for only one thing in the main rom, would it
be a tpdd dos, or xmodem?

How about Z-Modem?   "8)

Zmodem (which AFAIK there is no implementation of).

-- John.

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