Re: [M100] Replacement rubber feet / Peg Leggs

2021-01-02 Thread Scott McDonnell
I forgot to come back to this question and answer it. 

Yes, the slip on cover fits with no troubles with the folding legs installed on 
the M100. It is not even a tight fit on mine.

I do wish that the folding legs were a bit taller, though. Might be worthwhile 
to look for more variants.

Scott M.

From: Scott McDonnell
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 4:47 PM
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Subject: Re: [M100] Replacement rubber feet / Peg Leggs

I’ll be able to answer that question definitively as soon as I figure out where 
I stored mine for safe-keeping (well, I guess it is safe at least!)

It sticks up only .1” higher than the original rubber feet when folded, so I 
imagine it will fit without trouble.

Scott M.

From: C. Magaret
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 4:00 PM
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Subject: Re: [M100] Replacement rubber feet / Peg Leggs

These are interesting options, and I'm curious to hear how your experiment with 
the aluminum laptop stand works out.

Re: the adhesive stands you also mentioned, once they're applied to an M100, 
does the M100 still fit in its original slipcase?

Cheers,
CAM



Re: [M100] Replacement rubber feet / Peg Leggs

2020-12-31 Thread Peter Vollan
Right, "Model T" was Rick Hanson's invention, and it refers the whole
family of computers related to the model 100.

On Wed, 30 Dec 2020 at 15:09, C. Magaret  wrote:

> I believe the expression "Model T" was coined by Rick Hanson of Club 100
> fame (also a car nut), and it's both a reference to "Tandy" and the fact
> that the Ford Model T was the first affordable and commercially successful
> automobile.  I.e., the Model 100 is the Model T of laptop computers.
>
> Cheers,
> CAM
>
> > On Dec 30, 2020, at 14:58, Joshua O'Keefe 
> wrote:
> >
> > On Dec 30, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Scott McDonnell 
> wrote:
> >> I’ve heard the term “MEWS” used several times. What does that stand for
> and why is the M100 called a Model T?
> >
> > I’m new around here compared to most, but I think I have this right:
> >
> > MEWS is the Micro Executive Workstation, a marketing name for the Model
> 100.
> >
> > The etymology of the “Model T” term is a little more unclear to me.  I
> do know that the “Tandy” branded models (as opposed to the TRS-80 branded
> Model 100) don’t seem to use the word “Model” in the name.  The 102 is
> actually a “Tandy 102” and the 100 is actually a “TRS-80 Model 100”.
> Because of this if you’re trying to be accurate you would use terms like
> M100 but T102.  I myself am not fussy about this kind of thing and I
> consider my 102 to be a TRS-80 because I think of Radio Shack computers as
> TRS-80s in my head.
>
>


Re: [M100] Replacement rubber feet / Peg Leggs

2020-12-30 Thread C. Magaret
I believe the expression "Model T" was coined by Rick Hanson of Club 100 fame 
(also a car nut), and it's both a reference to "Tandy" and the fact that the 
Ford Model T was the first affordable and commercially successful automobile.  
I.e., the Model 100 is the Model T of laptop computers.

Cheers,
CAM

> On Dec 30, 2020, at 14:58, Joshua O'Keefe  wrote:
> 
> On Dec 30, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Scott McDonnell  
> wrote:
>> I’ve heard the term “MEWS” used several times. What does that stand for and 
>> why is the M100 called a Model T?
> 
> I’m new around here compared to most, but I think I have this right:
> 
> MEWS is the Micro Executive Workstation, a marketing name for the Model 100.
> 
> The etymology of the “Model T” term is a little more unclear to me.  I do 
> know that the “Tandy” branded models (as opposed to the TRS-80 branded Model 
> 100) don’t seem to use the word “Model” in the name.  The 102 is actually a 
> “Tandy 102” and the 100 is actually a “TRS-80 Model 100”.  Because of this if 
> you’re trying to be accurate you would use terms like M100 but T102.  I 
> myself am not fussy about this kind of thing and I consider my 102 to be a 
> TRS-80 because I think of Radio Shack computers as TRS-80s in my head.



Re: [M100] Replacement rubber feet / Peg Leggs

2020-12-30 Thread John R. Hogerhuis
On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 2:59 PM Joshua O'Keefe 
wrote:

> On Dec 30, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Scott McDonnell 
> wrote:
>
> I’ve heard the term “MEWS” used several times. What does that stand for
> and why is the M100 called a Model T?
>
>
> I’m new around here compared to most, but I think I have this right:
>
> MEWS is the Micro Executive Workstation, a marketing name for the Model
> 100.
>
>
Yep.


> The etymology of the “Model T” term is a little more unclear to me.  I do
> know that the “Tandy” branded models (as opposed to the TRS-80 branded
> Model 100) don’t seem to use the word “Model” in the name.  The 102 is
> actually a “Tandy 102” and the 100 is actually a “TRS-80 Model 100”.
> Because of this if you’re trying to be accurate you would use terms like
> M100 but T102.
>

Yes. I always say M100 and T102. That's how they are badged. I wouldn't say
T100 or M102.

I'm guessing "Model T" was more a Rick Hanson (Club100 founder) thing...
since he liked classic cars. I guess the T goes for Tandy or TRS-80.

-- John.


Re: [M100] Replacement rubber feet / Peg Leggs

2020-12-30 Thread Joshua O'Keefe
On Dec 30, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Scott McDonnell  wrote:
> I’ve heard the term “MEWS” used several times. What does that stand for and 
> why is the M100 called a Model T?

I’m new around here compared to most, but I think I have this right:

MEWS is the Micro Executive Workstation, a marketing name for the Model 100.

The etymology of the “Model T” term is a little more unclear to me.  I do know 
that the “Tandy” branded models (as opposed to the TRS-80 branded Model 100) 
don’t seem to use the word “Model” in the name.  The 102 is actually a “Tandy 
102” and the 100 is actually a “TRS-80 Model 100”.  Because of this if you’re 
trying to be accurate you would use terms like M100 but T102.  I myself am not 
fussy about this kind of thing and I consider my 102 to be a TRS-80 because I 
think of Radio Shack computers as TRS-80s in my head.

Re: [M100] Replacement rubber feet / Peg Leggs

2020-12-30 Thread Scott McDonnell
No worries at all. 😊

From: Joshua O'Keefe
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 5:44 PM
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Subject: Re: [M100] Replacement rubber feet / Peg Leggs

On Dec 30, 2020, at 2:34 PM, Scott McDonnell  wrote:
Nobody is ‘sane’. We are all crazy.

This right here is something I agree with enthusiastically.

Speaking of which, I hope I didn’t come off disagreeably.  I was hoping to 
offer a counterpoint to the notion that the M100 is awkward for regular use 
here in 2020, as I regularly use it!  I, too, was a Commodore kid although I 
got my start on the TRS-80 Model I and kept an interest in Radio Shack products 
over the years.  I remember encountering a Model 102 some time around 1987 or 
1988 and thinking of it as outmoded and kind of uninteresting (being a respin 
of a 1983 design — ancient history by 1988) compared to other machines I could 
get my hands on.

Some number of years later my opinion of the system has changed and I do the 
vast majority of my writing with it.



Re: [M100] Replacement rubber feet / Peg Leggs

2020-12-30 Thread Scott McDonnell
CoCo kid. Always drooled over the M100 ads and at Radio Shack, but couldn't 
afford one until they were for sale on ebay. The MEWS was priced for business 
use.


I’ve heard the term “MEWS” used several times. What does that stand for and why 
is the M100 called a Model T?

Scott



Re: [M100] Replacement rubber feet / Peg Leggs

2020-12-30 Thread Joshua O'Keefe
On Dec 30, 2020, at 2:34 PM, Scott McDonnell  wrote:
> Nobody is ‘sane’. We are all crazy.

This right here is something I agree with enthusiastically.

Speaking of which, I hope I didn’t come off disagreeably.  I was hoping to 
offer a counterpoint to the notion that the M100 is awkward for regular use 
here in 2020, as I regularly use it!  I, too, was a Commodore kid although I 
got my start on the TRS-80 Model I and kept an interest in Radio Shack products 
over the years.  I remember encountering a Model 102 some time around 1987 or 
1988 and thinking of it as outmoded and kind of uninteresting (being a respin 
of a 1983 design — ancient history by 1988) compared to other machines I could 
get my hands on.

Some number of years later my opinion of the system has changed and I do the 
vast majority of my writing with it.

Re: [M100] Replacement rubber feet / Peg Leggs

2020-12-30 Thread John R. Hogerhuis
On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 1:52 PM Scott McDonnell 
wrote:

> Well, hopefully my impression didn’t upset anybody. That was not the
> intention. I am sure I will get used to it.
>
>
>

Not really. Just a case of the vapours. I'll recover.


> As I think I had mentioned before, I was a Commodore kid in the 80s and
> had never touched or seen an M100 in person. So, I was always used to CRTs
> or backlit color LCDs. This is new for me.
>
>
>

CoCo kid. Always drooled over the M100 ads and at Radio Shack, but couldn't
afford one until they were for sale on ebay. The MEWS was priced for
business use.

-- John.


Re: [M100] Replacement rubber feet / Peg Leggs

2020-12-30 Thread Scott McDonnell
That part was just meant to be humor. Sorry if it didn’t come across that way.

Nobody is ‘sane’. We are all crazy.

Scott

From: C. Magaret
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 5:32 PM
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Subject: Re: [M100] Replacement rubber feet / Peg Leggs

Hi Scott, I'm sorry if I came across as reactionary, but I for one wasn't 
offended.  It's certainly not my place to judge how people participate in this 
hobby, I just found it amusing when you described that "most sane people these 
days" would be using the PC for development work for the M100, when one of the 
most effective ways for me to relax is to immerse myself into learning assembly 
language on the M100 and programming directly on the machine.

And thanks for your review about using the aluminum frame with the M100, I 
expect I'll pick one of those up as a result.

Best,
CAM



> On Dec 30, 2020, at 13:52, Scott McDonnell  wrote:
> 
> Well, hopefully my impression didn’t upset anybody. That was not the 
> intention. I am sure I will get used to it. 
>  
> As I think I had mentioned before, I was a Commodore kid in the 80s and had 
> never touched or seen an M100 in person. So, I was always used to CRTs or 
> backlit color LCDs. This is new for me.
>  
> The fact that I have not seen anyone try to backlight or frontlight an M100 
> tells me that this was not really an issue for most users.
>  
> And yeah, I noticed that the most comfortable position was actually on my lap 
> looking straight down on the LCD, so it would be perfect for sitting in a 
> comfy chair typing.
>  
> Scott
>  
> From: C.Magaret
> Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 4:31 PM
> To: m...@bitchin100.com
> Subject: Re: [M100] Replacement rubber feet / Peg Leggs
>  
> I can vouch that the original peg legs tilted the M100 at a much greater 
> angle than the built-in angle of the NEC.
>  
> I know my sanity has been hotly debated (at least by my family), but I guess 
> this makes it official:  I must be bonkers, because I enjoy programming 
> directly on this thing.  Granted, I usually sit with it in a comfy chair 
> under a nice light, and I still need to jiggle the contrast knob 
> occasionally, but the experience is comfortable enough.  The joy I personally 
> get from retro-computing comes from using the devices themselves, not from 
> working through a modern computer as a surrogate, and the M100’s diminutive 
> form factor makes it so practical for this.  On the couch, in bed, on the 
> deck, at the dining room table ... I can play with the M100 anywhere.
>  
> Best,
> CAM
>  
> 
> On Dec 30, 2020, at 13:00, John R. Hogerhuis  wrote:
> 
> 
>  
>  
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 12:21 PM Scott McDonnell  
> wrote:
> Aluminum laptop stand arrived today. It fits between the rear feet just 
> right. The bottom feet rest right on the aluminum frame. The rubber grips on 
> the stand keep the M100 from moving. It puts the keyboard at a comfortable 
> typing angle. Well, as comfortable as an M100 can get anyway. A little bit 
> taller would probably be perfect.
>  
> So, maybe you guys will find this interesting or at least amusing hearing a 
> perspective from a newbie to the M100:
>  
> I can’t imagine myself ever typing a program out on this thing! You can 
> either get the viewing angle just right or the typing angle just right, but 
> so far I have been unable to achieve both. The original purpose of this thing 
> was for journalists to type up their articles. I bet that was just painful. 😊
>  
>  
> Never found that to be a problem with good overhead lighting and a M100 or 
> T102.
> 
> Adjusting the contrast knob has always been enough for me given a flat 
> surface.
> 
> I've never used the add-on legs.
> 
> The T200 I have more problem with the viewing angle.
>  
> The NEC units do incline the display (and keyboard) a bit, but I'm guessing 
> not as much as the peg legs?
>  
> Don't know how the peg legs or NEC incline compare to your aluminum frame.
>  
> -- John.




Re: [M100] Replacement rubber feet / Peg Leggs

2020-12-30 Thread C. Magaret
Hi Scott, I'm sorry if I came across as reactionary, but I for one wasn't 
offended.  It's certainly not my place to judge how people participate in this 
hobby, I just found it amusing when you described that "most sane people these 
days" would be using the PC for development work for the M100, when one of the 
most effective ways for me to relax is to immerse myself into learning assembly 
language on the M100 and programming directly on the machine.

And thanks for your review about using the aluminum frame with the M100, I 
expect I'll pick one of those up as a result.

Best,
CAM



> On Dec 30, 2020, at 13:52, Scott McDonnell  wrote:
> 
> Well, hopefully my impression didn’t upset anybody. That was not the 
> intention. I am sure I will get used to it. 
>  
> As I think I had mentioned before, I was a Commodore kid in the 80s and had 
> never touched or seen an M100 in person. So, I was always used to CRTs or 
> backlit color LCDs. This is new for me.
>  
> The fact that I have not seen anyone try to backlight or frontlight an M100 
> tells me that this was not really an issue for most users.
>  
> And yeah, I noticed that the most comfortable position was actually on my lap 
> looking straight down on the LCD, so it would be perfect for sitting in a 
> comfy chair typing.
>  
> Scott
>  
> From: C.Magaret
> Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 4:31 PM
> To: m...@bitchin100.com
> Subject: Re: [M100] Replacement rubber feet / Peg Leggs
>  
> I can vouch that the original peg legs tilted the M100 at a much greater 
> angle than the built-in angle of the NEC.
>  
> I know my sanity has been hotly debated (at least by my family), but I guess 
> this makes it official:  I must be bonkers, because I enjoy programming 
> directly on this thing.  Granted, I usually sit with it in a comfy chair 
> under a nice light, and I still need to jiggle the contrast knob 
> occasionally, but the experience is comfortable enough.  The joy I personally 
> get from retro-computing comes from using the devices themselves, not from 
> working through a modern computer as a surrogate, and the M100’s diminutive 
> form factor makes it so practical for this.  On the couch, in bed, on the 
> deck, at the dining room table ... I can play with the M100 anywhere.
>  
> Best,
> CAM
>  
> 
> On Dec 30, 2020, at 13:00, John R. Hogerhuis  wrote:
> 
> 
>  
>  
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 12:21 PM Scott McDonnell  
> wrote:
> Aluminum laptop stand arrived today. It fits between the rear feet just 
> right. The bottom feet rest right on the aluminum frame. The rubber grips on 
> the stand keep the M100 from moving. It puts the keyboard at a comfortable 
> typing angle. Well, as comfortable as an M100 can get anyway. A little bit 
> taller would probably be perfect.
>  
> So, maybe you guys will find this interesting or at least amusing hearing a 
> perspective from a newbie to the M100:
>  
> I can’t imagine myself ever typing a program out on this thing! You can 
> either get the viewing angle just right or the typing angle just right, but 
> so far I have been unable to achieve both. The original purpose of this thing 
> was for journalists to type up their articles. I bet that was just painful. 😊
>  
>  
> Never found that to be a problem with good overhead lighting and a M100 or 
> T102.
> 
> Adjusting the contrast knob has always been enough for me given a flat 
> surface.
> 
> I've never used the add-on legs.
> 
> The T200 I have more problem with the viewing angle.
>  
> The NEC units do incline the display (and keyboard) a bit, but I'm guessing 
> not as much as the peg legs?
>  
> Don't know how the peg legs or NEC incline compare to your aluminum frame.
>  
> -- John.



Re: [M100] Replacement rubber feet / Peg Leggs

2020-12-30 Thread Scott McDonnell
Well, hopefully my impression didn’t upset anybody. That was not the intention. 
I am sure I will get used to it. 

As I think I had mentioned before, I was a Commodore kid in the 80s and had 
never touched or seen an M100 in person. So, I was always used to CRTs or 
backlit color LCDs. This is new for me.

The fact that I have not seen anyone try to backlight or frontlight an M100 
tells me that this was not really an issue for most users.

And yeah, I noticed that the most comfortable position was actually on my lap 
looking straight down on the LCD, so it would be perfect for sitting in a comfy 
chair typing.

Scott

From: C.Magaret
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 4:31 PM
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Subject: Re: [M100] Replacement rubber feet / Peg Leggs

I can vouch that the original peg legs tilted the M100 at a much greater angle 
than the built-in angle of the NEC.

I know my sanity has been hotly debated (at least by my family), but I guess 
this makes it official:  I must be bonkers, because I enjoy programming 
directly on this thing.  Granted, I usually sit with it in a comfy chair under 
a nice light, and I still need to jiggle the contrast knob occasionally, but 
the experience is comfortable enough.  The joy I personally get from 
retro-computing comes from using the devices themselves, not from working 
through a modern computer as a surrogate, and the M100’s diminutive form factor 
makes it so practical for this.  On the couch, in bed, on the deck, at the 
dining room table ... I can play with the M100 anywhere.

Best,
CAM

On Dec 30, 2020, at 13:00, John R. Hogerhuis  wrote:




On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 12:21 PM Scott McDonnell  
wrote:
Aluminum laptop stand arrived today. It fits between the rear feet just right. 
The bottom feet rest right on the aluminum frame. The rubber grips on the stand 
keep the M100 from moving. It puts the keyboard at a comfortable typing angle. 
Well, as comfortable as an M100 can get anyway. A little bit taller would 
probably be perfect.
 
So, maybe you guys will find this interesting or at least amusing hearing a 
perspective from a newbie to the M100:
 
I can’t imagine myself ever typing a program out on this thing! You can either 
get the viewing angle just right or the typing angle just right, but so far I 
have been unable to achieve both. The original purpose of this thing was for 
journalists to type up their articles. I bet that was just painful. 😊
 

Never found that to be a problem with good overhead lighting and a M100 or T102.

Adjusting the contrast knob has always been enough for me given a flat surface.

I've never used the add-on legs.

The T200 I have more problem with the viewing angle.

The NEC units do incline the display (and keyboard) a bit, but I'm guessing not 
as much as the peg legs?

Don't know how the peg legs or NEC incline compare to your aluminum frame.

-- John.



Re: [M100] Replacement rubber feet / Peg Leggs

2020-12-30 Thread C.Magaret
I can vouch that the original peg legs tilted the M100 at a much greater angle 
than the built-in angle of the NEC.

I know my sanity has been hotly debated (at least by my family), but I guess 
this makes it official:  I must be bonkers, because I enjoy programming 
directly on this thing.  Granted, I usually sit with it in a comfy chair under 
a nice light, and I still need to jiggle the contrast knob occasionally, but 
the experience is comfortable enough.  The joy I personally get from 
retro-computing comes from using the devices themselves, not from working 
through a modern computer as a surrogate, and the M100’s diminutive form factor 
makes it so practical for this.  On the couch, in bed, on the deck, at the 
dining room table ... I can play with the M100 anywhere.

Best,
CAM


On Dec 30, 2020, at 13:00, John R. Hogerhuis  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 12:21 PM Scott McDonnell  
> wrote:
>> Aluminum laptop stand arrived today. It fits between the rear feet just 
>> right. The bottom feet rest right on the aluminum frame. The rubber grips on 
>> the stand keep the M100 from moving. It puts the keyboard at a comfortable 
>> typing angle. Well, as comfortable as an M100 can get anyway. A little bit 
>> taller would probably be perfect.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> So, maybe you guys will find this interesting or at least amusing hearing a 
>> perspective from a newbie to the M100:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I can’t imagine myself ever typing a program out on this thing! You can 
>> either get the viewing angle just right or the typing angle just right, but 
>> so far I have been unable to achieve both. The original purpose of this 
>> thing was for journalists to type up their articles. I bet that was just 
>> painful. 😊
>> 
>>  
>> 
> 
> Never found that to be a problem with good overhead lighting and a M100 or 
> T102.
> 
> Adjusting the contrast knob has always been enough for me given a flat 
> surface.
> 
> I've never used the add-on legs.
> 
> The T200 I have more problem with the viewing angle.
> 
> The NEC units do incline the display (and keyboard) a bit, but I'm guessing 
> not as much as the peg legs?
> 
> Don't know how the peg legs or NEC incline compare to your aluminum frame.
> 
> -- John.


Re: [M100] Replacement rubber feet / Peg Leggs

2020-12-30 Thread John R. Hogerhuis
On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 12:21 PM Scott McDonnell 
wrote:

> Aluminum laptop stand arrived today. It fits between the rear feet just
> right. The bottom feet rest right on the aluminum frame. The rubber grips
> on the stand keep the M100 from moving. It puts the keyboard at a
> comfortable typing angle. Well, as comfortable as an M100 can get anyway. A
> little bit taller would probably be perfect.
>
>
>
> So, maybe you guys will find this interesting or at least amusing hearing
> a perspective from a newbie to the M100:
>
>
>
> I can’t imagine myself ever typing a program out on this thing! You can
> either get the viewing angle just right or the typing angle just right, but
> so far I have been unable to achieve both. The original purpose of this
> thing was for journalists to type up their articles. I bet that was just
> painful. 😊
>
>
>

Never found that to be a problem with good overhead lighting and a M100 or
T102.

Adjusting the contrast knob has always been enough for me given a flat
surface.

I've never used the add-on legs.

The T200 I have more problem with the viewing angle.

The NEC units do incline the display (and keyboard) a bit, but I'm guessing
not as much as the peg legs?

Don't know how the peg legs or NEC incline compare to your aluminum frame.

-- John.


Re: [M100] Replacement rubber feet / Peg Leggs

2020-12-30 Thread Scott McDonnell
Yes, I am aware of the contrast adjustment and agree that it has a wide range 
of adjustment. The keyboard itself is fine. Getting it at a comfortable angel 
makes typing comfortable. 

It’s more about the LCD being inset, I think. I have to put a lamp directly 
above the LCD to be able to see the top line or first and last column 
(depending on the angle of the room lighting. The shadows are the main issue.

It’s probably just more that I am not used to it. I imagine the corrections 
that need to be made are automatic for you guys at this point. 

It is what it is and I wasn’t knocking the M100. The thing is a technological 
marvel of its time. Just giving an impression of a first-time user in 2020.

Scott M.
From: Joshua O'Keefe
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 3:31 PM
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Subject: Re: [M100] Replacement rubber feet / Peg Leggs

On Dec 30, 2020, at 12:21 PM, Scott McDonnell  
wrote:
I can’t imagine myself ever typing a program out on this thing! You can either 
get the viewing angle just right or the typing angle just right, but so far I 
have been unable to achieve both. The original purpose of this thing was for 
journalists to type up their articles. I bet that was just painful. 😊

I first want to make sure you're aware that the dial on the right side of the 
machine adjusts the LCD viewing angle, and it has a pretty generous range of 
adjustment.

I do a lot of typing on my 102 and I would not characterize it as painful.  
While the keyboard isn't quite as good as some of the high end keyboards I have 
around the house (I have a collection of Model Ms that see daily use and I have 
a couple of Matias ALPS-alikes for the Macs when they are docked) the 102 
keyboard is the best laptop keyboard I have ever used.

I consider it a joy to type on, and the screen adequate if slow for programming 
and writing tasks.  I am constantly looking for excuses to do something on the 
102 rather than a bigger computer.



Re: [M100] Replacement rubber feet / Peg Leggs

2020-12-30 Thread Joshua O'Keefe
On Dec 30, 2020, at 12:21 PM, Scott McDonnell  
wrote:
> I can’t imagine myself ever typing a program out on this thing! You can 
> either get the viewing angle just right or the typing angle just right, but 
> so far I have been unable to achieve both. The original purpose of this thing 
> was for journalists to type up their articles. I bet that was just painful. 😊

I first want to make sure you're aware that the dial on the right side of the 
machine adjusts the LCD viewing angle, and it has a pretty generous range of 
adjustment.

I do a lot of typing on my 102 and I would not characterize it as painful.  
While the keyboard isn't quite as good as some of the high end keyboards I have 
around the house (I have a collection of Model Ms that see daily use and I have 
a couple of Matias ALPS-alikes for the Macs when they are docked) the 102 
keyboard is the best laptop keyboard I have ever used.

I consider it a joy to type on, and the screen adequate if slow for programming 
and writing tasks.  I am constantly looking for excuses to do something on the 
102 rather than a bigger computer.

Re: [M100] Replacement rubber feet / Peg Leggs

2020-12-30 Thread Scott McDonnell
Aluminum laptop stand arrived today. It fits between the rear feet just right. 
The bottom feet rest right on the aluminum frame. The rubber grips on the stand 
keep the M100 from moving. It puts the keyboard at a comfortable typing angle. 
Well, as comfortable as an M100 can get anyway. A little bit taller would 
probably be perfect.

So, maybe you guys will find this interesting or at least amusing hearing a 
perspective from a newbie to the M100:

I can’t imagine myself ever typing a program out on this thing! You can either 
get the viewing angle just right or the typing angle just right, but so far I 
have been unable to achieve both. The original purpose of this thing was for 
journalists to type up their articles. I bet that was just painful. 😊

I also noticed that the LCD is inset pretty far under the plastic lens and what 
that means is that the angle of the room lighting is important because it casts 
black shadows on the LCD. Almost impossible to get rid of the shadows except 
with a direct-on lamp.

I imagine I will be doing all my development like most sane people these days: 
on the PC and testing in an emulator before running it on the hardware. 
Obviously back in its day, that was not an option, so kudos to those 
programmers that did it on the actual hardware.

Makes me wonder why kind of crazy aftermarket products there must have been to 
try to solve the lighting issue? Things like those clip on lamps for the 
Gameboy? Lol

Scott M.

From: C. Magaret
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 4:00 PM
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Subject: Re: [M100] Replacement rubber feet / Peg Leggs

These are interesting options, and I'm curious to hear how your experiment with 
the aluminum laptop stand works out.

Re: the adhesive stands you also mentioned, once they're applied to an M100, 
does the M100 still fit in its original slipcase?

Cheers,
CAM


> On Dec 29, 2020, at 12:37, Scott McDonnell  wrote:
> 
> These stands are great. My only issue is that you need to stick one of them 
> to the battery door. I guess that really isn’t a problem, though. I like the 
> height and they tilt the M100 just a little bit even when folded. I like them 
> because they will stay with the computer and I don’t have to try to keep 
> track of them. Satisfied.
>  
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07ZJ3CYB3
>  
> I have not received this yet to try out. 
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08DM1S3SC
>  
> I have a feeling that this is going to interfere with the placement of the 
> feet and just not work out well without modifying it. But I figured I can 
> always use it for one of my laptops if it doesn’t work out for the M100.
>  
> Scott M.
> 




Re: [M100] Replacement rubber feet / Peg Leggs

2020-12-29 Thread Brian K. White

On 12/29/20 5:55 PM, Brian K. White wrote:



"search for 12mm x 4mm".


https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32801055280.html



black, 12x4
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33028962764.html

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bkw



Re: [M100] Replacement rubber feet / Peg Leggs

2020-12-29 Thread Brian K. White




"search for 12mm x 4mm".


https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32801055280.html

--
bkw



Re: [M100] Replacement rubber feet / Peg Leggs

2020-12-29 Thread Brian K. White
It gets a lot easier to figure out when you say 12 mm instead of 15/32 
inches ;)


https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32441351525.html

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-X-SELF-ADHESIVE-STICK-ON-RUBBER-FEET-12MM-X-4MM/322168561731

You want about 3.5 to 4mm thickness. Much thicker and it starts to poke 
out a bit far for the slipcase.


I don't know how much I trust that ebay item to be exactly 12mm wide at 
the base. It looks like a standard 1/2" one, and it's just an bay 
listing for a $3 item, so it might be just nominally 12mm not exactly. 
Then again it's from the UK not US, so maybe it really is 12mm. Maybe 
you can get the seller to actually measure one.


There's some 11.1mm to 12mm on Farnell, but they are mostly 5mm tall. A 
bit tall, but also rounded domes so that helps.


Same on DigiKey
https://www.digikey.com/short/4cqpph

There must be some others out there I didn't look any harder. The point 
was just to say "search for 12mm".


--
bkw

On 12/29/20 3:37 PM, Scott McDonnell wrote:

The rubber feet adventure:

½” tapered feet are too big. The foot inset measures 15/32 or .47” once 
you dig out the original hardened rubber feet. I have not been able to 
find any options in this size other than screw in feet varieties.


The 3/8 Rubber pads I bought are nice and will work, but are noticeably 
too small. If I could find them in the 15/32 variety, they would be 
perfect. Since they are just straight cylinders, you might be able to 
squeeze a 1/2 “ version in there. Not satisfied, but it will work for 
now. It is still better than what was left of the original pads.


These stands are great. My only issue is that you need to stick one of 
them to the battery door. I guess that really isn’t a problem, though. I 
like the height and they tilt the M100 just a little bit even when 
folded. I like them because they will stay with the computer and I don’t 
have to try to keep track of them. Satisfied.


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07ZJ3CYB3 
<https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07ZJ3CYB3>


I have not received this yet to try out.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08DM1S3SC 
<https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08DM1S3SC>


I have a feeling that this is going to interfere with the placement of 
the feet and just not work out well without modifying it. But I figured 
I can always use it for one of my laptops if it doesn’t work out for the 
M100.


Scott M.

*From: *Josh Malone <mailto:josh.mal...@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Tuesday, December 29, 2020 10:23 AM
*To: *m...@bitchin100.com <mailto:m...@bitchin100.com>
*Subject: *Re: [M100] Replacement rubber feet / Peg Leggs

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:39 PM Peter Noeth  wrote:

 >

 > I am the one who makes Peg Leggs (but only sell by word of mouth).

 >

 > These are turned from solid delrin and fitted to not cause damage to 
the case screw holes of your computer.


 >

 > They fit the M100, T102, T200 and T600. I currently have a few sets 
in stock. They are $10 + $5 shipping (price went up) w/tracking.


 >

 > Send me a PM with your mailing address and I will send you a PayPal 
invoice.


 >

 > Regards,

Yes! Can *highly* recommend!




--
bkw


Re: [M100] Replacement rubber feet / Peg Leggs

2020-12-29 Thread Scott McDonnell
I’ll be able to answer that question definitively as soon as I figure out where 
I stored mine for safe-keeping (well, I guess it is safe at least!)

It sticks up only .1” higher than the original rubber feet when folded, so I 
imagine it will fit without trouble.

Scott M.

From: C. Magaret
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 4:00 PM
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Subject: Re: [M100] Replacement rubber feet / Peg Leggs

These are interesting options, and I'm curious to hear how your experiment with 
the aluminum laptop stand works out.

Re: the adhesive stands you also mentioned, once they're applied to an M100, 
does the M100 still fit in its original slipcase?

Cheers,
CAM


> On Dec 29, 2020, at 12:37, Scott McDonnell  wrote:
> 
> These stands are great. My only issue is that you need to stick one of them 
> to the battery door. I guess that really isn’t a problem, though. I like the 
> height and they tilt the M100 just a little bit even when folded. I like them 
> because they will stay with the computer and I don’t have to try to keep 
> track of them. Satisfied.
>  
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07ZJ3CYB3
>  
> I have not received this yet to try out. 
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08DM1S3SC
>  
> I have a feeling that this is going to interfere with the placement of the 
> feet and just not work out well without modifying it. But I figured I can 
> always use it for one of my laptops if it doesn’t work out for the M100.
>  
> Scott M.
> 




Re: [M100] Replacement rubber feet / Peg Leggs

2020-12-29 Thread C. Magaret
These are interesting options, and I'm curious to hear how your experiment with 
the aluminum laptop stand works out.

Re: the adhesive stands you also mentioned, once they're applied to an M100, 
does the M100 still fit in its original slipcase?

Cheers,
CAM


> On Dec 29, 2020, at 12:37, Scott McDonnell  wrote:
> 
> These stands are great. My only issue is that you need to stick one of them 
> to the battery door. I guess that really isn’t a problem, though. I like the 
> height and they tilt the M100 just a little bit even when folded. I like them 
> because they will stay with the computer and I don’t have to try to keep 
> track of them. Satisfied.
>  
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07ZJ3CYB3
>  
> I have not received this yet to try out. 
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08DM1S3SC
>  
> I have a feeling that this is going to interfere with the placement of the 
> feet and just not work out well without modifying it. But I figured I can 
> always use it for one of my laptops if it doesn’t work out for the M100.
>  
> Scott M.
> 



Re: [M100] Replacement rubber feet / Peg Leggs

2020-12-29 Thread Scott McDonnell
The rubber feet adventure:

½” tapered feet are too big. The foot inset measures 15/32 or .47” once you dig 
out the original hardened rubber feet. I have not been able to find any options 
in this size other than screw in feet varieties.

The 3/8 Rubber pads I bought are nice and will work, but are noticeably too 
small. If I could find them in the 15/32 variety, they would be perfect. Since 
they are just straight cylinders, you might be able to squeeze a 1/2 “ version 
in there. Not satisfied, but it will work for now. It is still better than what 
was left of the original pads.

These stands are great. My only issue is that you need to stick one of them to 
the battery door. I guess that really isn’t a problem, though. I like the 
height and they tilt the M100 just a little bit even when folded. I like them 
because they will stay with the computer and I don’t have to try to keep track 
of them. Satisfied.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07ZJ3CYB3

I have not received this yet to try out. 
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08DM1S3SC

I have a feeling that this is going to interfere with the placement of the feet 
and just not work out well without modifying it. But I figured I can always use 
it for one of my laptops if it doesn’t work out for the M100.

Scott M.


From: Josh Malone
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 10:23 AM
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Subject: Re: [M100] Replacement rubber feet / Peg Leggs

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:39 PM Peter Noeth  wrote:
>
> I am the one who makes Peg Leggs (but only sell by word of mouth).
>
> These are turned from solid delrin and fitted to not cause damage to the case 
> screw holes of your computer.
>
> They fit the M100, T102, T200 and T600. I currently have a few sets in stock. 
> They are $10 + $5 shipping (price went up) w/tracking.
>
> Send me a PM with your mailing address and I will send you a PayPal invoice.
>
> Regards,

Yes! Can *highly* recommend!



Re: [M100] Replacement rubber feet / Peg Leggs

2020-12-29 Thread Josh Malone
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:39 PM Peter Noeth  wrote:
>
> I am the one who makes Peg Leggs (but only sell by word of mouth).
>
> These are turned from solid delrin and fitted to not cause damage to the case 
> screw holes of your computer.
>
> They fit the M100, T102, T200 and T600. I currently have a few sets in stock. 
> They are $10 + $5 shipping (price went up) w/tracking.
>
> Send me a PM with your mailing address and I will send you a PayPal invoice.
>
> Regards,

Yes! Can *highly* recommend!