Re: [M100] M100 ergonomics
lol! I figured that's what you meant. I'll look thru the links you posted. thanks very much! On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 05:04:34PM -0500, Brian Brindle wrote: >Correction on my last e-mail - muscle memory took over and I typed >98N1D - this should 98N1E with the E to enable XON/XOFF. Classic case >of target fixation right there. Don't type D, don't type D.. Typed D. > >John, I have had some issues with how enabling flow control is done. >The method I settled on was to enable it with stty after logging in >through a sourced .bashrc script. I abandoned trying to get it to work >natively in getty, even eventually swapped out getty for the more >supported agetty set in "old" mode. > >While I may be connecting at 19200 the speed is dependent on the screen >unfortunately. That can get downright frustrating. Hackerb9 explains >several other fixes for keys and stuff way better than I ever could in >that git hub link I put up earlier. I recommend just about everything >he talks about except I can't condone the use of emacs or nano. Real >men use VI. > >One other possibility would be the serial adapter you are using. I have >had issues with the voltage levels being just off enough on cheap USB >to serial adapters that the M100 had troubles. > >Brian > >On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 4:45 PM John R. Hogerhuis <[1]jho...@pobox.com> >wrote: > >Interesting... I could never go that fast without h/w flow control... >Linux wouldn't drop characters, but it would overrun the T's receive >buffer because it didn't react immediately to xoff. I don't know why... >my theory was maybe the driver doesn't see the xoff until it popped out >of the stream. Maybe screen in the middle processes the xoff sooner. >All I had in the loop was getty or equivalent. > >Between that and ANSI escapes from xterm and utf8 and whatnot full >screen console stuff was always messed up without HTERM to filter and >flow control. > >-- John. > > References > >1. mailto:jho...@pobox.com
Re: [M100] M100 ergonomics
I use mine mostly as a Super Calculator, with programs I write in BASIC to solve Electronics and Photography math calculations. But I have also converted some games to work with Atari 2600 controllers, and wrote some game scoring and puzzle solving programs. I am usually sitting in a recliner, watching TV when I program, and use my PegLeggs on my lap, or sometimes a lap desk I got at Barnes I find the "two finger" typing method works best for me with my T102, but use normal "touch typing" on my Dell Desktop. Regards, PeterN On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 1:09 PM wrote: > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2023 16:47:36 -0800 > From: runrin > To: m100@lists.bitchin100.com > Subject: [M100] M100 ergonomics > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hey all! > > I was wondering if people would be willing to share how they typically > use their Model Ts. > > I've found that it's pretty difficult for me to find a comfortable > position to use my Model 100 for any length of time. I'm always bending > forward to get a better view when I sit at a table or desk, and when > it's on my lap the lack of palmrest causes the keyboard to slide too > close to my body making it hard to type. > > Do you typically only use them on desks? Do you use yours on your lap? > Do you use a lap desk? Any tips for how you comfortably use a Model T > for longer stretches (30+ minutes) would be appreciated. > > Thanks! > > > >
Re: [M100] M100 ergonomics
Correction on my last e-mail - muscle memory took over and I typed 98N1D - this should 98N1E with the E to enable XON/XOFF. Classic case of target fixation right there. Don't type D, don't type D.. Typed D. John, I have had some issues with how enabling flow control is done. The method I settled on was to enable it with stty after logging in through a sourced .bashrc script. I abandoned trying to get it to work natively in getty, even eventually swapped out getty for the more supported agetty set in "old" mode. While I may be connecting at 19200 the speed is dependent on the screen unfortunately. That can get downright frustrating. Hackerb9 explains several other fixes for keys and stuff way better than I ever could in that git hub link I put up earlier. I recommend just about everything he talks about except I can't condone the use of emacs or nano. Real men use VI. One other possibility would be the serial adapter you are using. I have had issues with the voltage levels being just off enough on cheap USB to serial adapters that the M100 had troubles. Brian On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 4:45 PM John R. Hogerhuis wrote: > Interesting... I could never go that fast without h/w flow control... > Linux wouldn't drop characters, but it would overrun the T's receive buffer > because it didn't react immediately to xoff. I don't know why... my theory > was maybe the driver doesn't see the xoff until it popped out of the > stream. Maybe screen in the middle processes the xoff sooner. All I had in > the loop was getty or equivalent. > > Between that and ANSI escapes from xterm and utf8 and whatnot full screen > console stuff was always messed up without HTERM to filter and flow > control. > > -- John. >
Re: [M100] M100 ergonomics
Interesting... I could never go that fast without h/w flow control... Linux wouldn't drop characters, but it would overrun the T's receive buffer because it didn't react immediately to xoff. I don't know why... my theory was maybe the driver doesn't see the xoff until it popped out of the stream. Maybe screen in the middle processes the xoff sooner. All I had in the loop was getty or equivalent. Between that and ANSI escapes from xterm and utf8 and whatnot full screen console stuff was always messed up without HTERM to filter and flow control. -- John.
Re: [M100] M100 ergonomics
I'm using the Andi Diller termcap, just because it's the one I had on hand. These should work for you: https://bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=Model_T_Termcap This guy here put together a really good resource for more information on how to setup your environment: https://github.com/hackerb9/Tandy-Terminfo I keep my system set at 19200bps, enable xon/xoff through stty at login, have the Tandy set to 98N1D and I typically don't have any issues other than the expected ones due to the small screen size. It is painfully slow, but it works. To get around issues with flow control when SSHing I use screen with xon/xoff enabled. The Pi will do the buffering so I typically don't have any overrun issues. On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 2:36 PM runrin wrote: > Brian- > > Could you share the terminfo file you use on your raspberry pi to get > your M100 working? > > I regularly use a Heathkit terminal with my OpenBSD machine, and that > works extremely well with `crtscts' in stty at 19200 baud, even though > the terminal itself can only handle 9600 baud without flow control. I've > got everything tuned nicely to avoid any issues with color codes/etc on > that machine and I really enjoy using it. > > Despite that, I've struggled a lot to get my linux machines to play nice > with the small screen of the M100. I've tried out 3 or 4 different > terminfos > I've seen floating around the net, but haven't gotten consistent enough > results to actually want to use the M100 as a terminal for any length of > time. > > I've also tried multiple different USB serial adapters, and have had > issues at speeds greater than 300 baud, even with `ixon ixoff' in stty > and flow control enabled on the M100. I am able to start and stop > incoming data manually with `^S' and `^Q', so I'm sure that is working, > but I still get garbage whenever the M100 has to slow down drawing to > the screen. > > Tips to getting the M100 working better with linux would be greatly > appreciated. > > Thanks! > > On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 07:08:05AM -0500, Brian Brindle wrote: > >I've got several and they get used often. Daily task is usually note > >taking with IDEA! or journaling with the built in text editor. I do > use > >the Ultimate ROM II and View80 a LOT. I also use it pretty > extensively > >for Amateur radio, primarily logging and satellite tracking. I also > >spend quite a bit of time messing around in CP/M mode doing weird > stuff > >with DDT. > > > >I have a raspberry-pi connected that I've dubbed the "Tan-PI". It's > got > >several programs on it to do file sharing / TPDD emulation and I have > a > >hacked together perl script that sends each key press from the Tandy > to > >the X-windows system as keyboard input allowing me to use the M100 as > >the keyboard to the Raspberry Pi system. I will often remote the > >Raspberry Pi with VNC on my phone when I need a "real desktop" to send > >an e-mail or go to a web stie the tandy can't handle from the Linux > >CLI. > > > >These are my two go-to addons. I use a small USB power bank and this > >for power: > >[1]https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BJDSG28P > > > >I also have a bunch of these Laptop "Foot" devices. Just drop one at > >the back, middle of the Model-T and it greatly improves the ergonomix. > >They are cheap so I keep one in my bag and one on my desk. > >[2] > https://www.amazon.com/SUPBEE-Universal-Computer-Anti-Slip-Ventilate > >d/dp/B085QL2QXS > > > >On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 6:30 AM Gary Wilkinson > ><[3]gpwilkin...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > My T102 is connected as a terminal to my VAX4000. I have a DVI > > connected to an LCD screen with composite video, so I get 80 column > > full screen text. Very useable. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On 11 Dec 2023, at 10:25, Lee Osborne > > <[4]leeosbo...@fastmail.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I use mine quite a lot for journalling and writing articles, > > mainly because it has the best keyboard of any device I own. I find > > that a desk or table is fine as long as the light is reasonably > > good. I can type faster on it than most other computers or > > keyboards. > > > > > > Lee > > > > > >> On Mon, 11 Dec 2023, at 00:47, runrin wrote: > > >> Hey all! > > >> > > >> I was wondering if people would be willing to share how they > > typically > > >> use their Model Ts. > > >> > > >> I've found that it's pretty difficult for me to find a > > comfortable > > >> position to use my Model 100 for any length of time. I'm always > > bending > > >> forward to get a better view when I sit at a table or desk, and > > when > > >> it's on my lap the lack of palmrest causes the keyboard to slide > > too > > >> close to my body making it hard to type. > > >> > > >> Do you typically only
Re: [M100] M100 ergonomics
I think getting it solid is not just the terminfo but mapping Unicode, filtering ANSI escapes, and doing flow control. Software flow control on Linux basically doesn't work. I'm not sure why but it's just to slow to react to a flow off from model t and then the model T's 64 bytes buffer gets overrun. So you need to use hardware flow control. Hterm addresses these things but it is otherwise very rudimentary. One of these days... But it was purpose built to address issues specifically with Linux that made it almost unusable for me. -- John.
Re: [M100] M100 ergonomics
Brian- Could you share the terminfo file you use on your raspberry pi to get your M100 working? I regularly use a Heathkit terminal with my OpenBSD machine, and that works extremely well with `crtscts' in stty at 19200 baud, even though the terminal itself can only handle 9600 baud without flow control. I've got everything tuned nicely to avoid any issues with color codes/etc on that machine and I really enjoy using it. Despite that, I've struggled a lot to get my linux machines to play nice with the small screen of the M100. I've tried out 3 or 4 different terminfos I've seen floating around the net, but haven't gotten consistent enough results to actually want to use the M100 as a terminal for any length of time. I've also tried multiple different USB serial adapters, and have had issues at speeds greater than 300 baud, even with `ixon ixoff' in stty and flow control enabled on the M100. I am able to start and stop incoming data manually with `^S' and `^Q', so I'm sure that is working, but I still get garbage whenever the M100 has to slow down drawing to the screen. Tips to getting the M100 working better with linux would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 07:08:05AM -0500, Brian Brindle wrote: >I've got several and they get used often. Daily task is usually note >taking with IDEA! or journaling with the built in text editor. I do use >the Ultimate ROM II and View80 a LOT. I also use it pretty extensively >for Amateur radio, primarily logging and satellite tracking. I also >spend quite a bit of time messing around in CP/M mode doing weird stuff >with DDT. > >I have a raspberry-pi connected that I've dubbed the "Tan-PI". It's got >several programs on it to do file sharing / TPDD emulation and I have a >hacked together perl script that sends each key press from the Tandy to >the X-windows system as keyboard input allowing me to use the M100 as >the keyboard to the Raspberry Pi system. I will often remote the >Raspberry Pi with VNC on my phone when I need a "real desktop" to send >an e-mail or go to a web stie the tandy can't handle from the Linux >CLI. > >These are my two go-to addons. I use a small USB power bank and this >for power: >[1]https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BJDSG28P > >I also have a bunch of these Laptop "Foot" devices. Just drop one at >the back, middle of the Model-T and it greatly improves the ergonomix. >They are cheap so I keep one in my bag and one on my desk. >[2]https://www.amazon.com/SUPBEE-Universal-Computer-Anti-Slip-Ventilate >d/dp/B085QL2QXS > >On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 6:30 AM Gary Wilkinson ><[3]gpwilkin...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > My T102 is connected as a terminal to my VAX4000. I have a DVI > connected to an LCD screen with composite video, so I get 80 column > full screen text. Very useable. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 11 Dec 2023, at 10:25, Lee Osborne > <[4]leeosbo...@fastmail.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > > I use mine quite a lot for journalling and writing articles, > mainly because it has the best keyboard of any device I own. I find > that a desk or table is fine as long as the light is reasonably > good. I can type faster on it than most other computers or > keyboards. > > > > Lee > > > >> On Mon, 11 Dec 2023, at 00:47, runrin wrote: > >> Hey all! > >> > >> I was wondering if people would be willing to share how they > typically > >> use their Model Ts. > >> > >> I've found that it's pretty difficult for me to find a > comfortable > >> position to use my Model 100 for any length of time. I'm always > bending > >> forward to get a better view when I sit at a table or desk, and > when > >> it's on my lap the lack of palmrest causes the keyboard to slide > too > >> close to my body making it hard to type. > >> > >> Do you typically only use them on desks? Do you use yours on your > lap? > >> Do you use a lap desk? Any tips for how you comfortably use a > Model T > >> for longer stretches (30+ minutes) would be appreciated. > >> > >> Thanks! > >> > > > > Lee Osborne > > West Lothian, Scotland > > 07960 096282 > > [5]leeosbo...@fastmail.co.uk > > www.journeyman.online/services > > References > >1. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BJDSG28P >2. > https://www.amazon.com/SUPBEE-Universal-Computer-Anti-Slip-Ventilated/dp/B085QL2QXS >3. mailto:gpwilkin...@hotmail.com >4. mailto:leeosbo...@fastmail.co.uk >5. mailto:leeosbo...@fastmail.co.uk
Re: [M100] M100 ergonomics
> On Dec 10, 2023, at 4:47 PM, runrin wrote: > I've found that it's pretty difficult for me to find a comfortable > position to use my Model 100 for any length of time. I'm always bending > forward to get a better view when I sit at a table or desk, and when it's on > my lap the lack of palmrest causes the keyboard to slide too close to my body > making it hard to type. When I put it on a desk, I either prop it on "Peg Leggs" (Peter Noeth, a list member here, makes carefully crafted legs that work perfectly) or set it on an aluminum "laptop stand" that's frankly a bit high for typing for more than a few minutes at a time. Normally, I type with it on my lap. I have the advantage, though, that I tend to sit cross-legged which gives me a bit more room to place the thing. In general, though, I find that regardless of where I place the computer the key to avoiding a stiff neck has always been choosing good lighting and carefully adjusting the LCD twist.
Re: [M100] M100 ergonomics
Hey Jonathan,
I made a terrible video of it a few years ago. You can see it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIv831sT50w
I wish in the demo I had typed somewhere other than the terminal to show it
works anywhere on the desktop, not just there. For example I am sending
this e-mail right now from FireFox on the Raspberry Pi using the M102 as my
keyboard.
This was just meant as a proof of concept and I never got around to doing
much else with it. My current job is weird, so my github is not public. The
code is basic, doesn't need to be perl I just used it because I was
familiar with how to make it read individual keys quickly with Glib. Glib
modules are not installed by default so would need to be added.
I had to re-map some keys, added some mouse movements and a "command mode"
where you can type key combinations since that is impossible natively. The
way that I use it is access my Pi via the serial port, type perl ./
keyboard.pl and type away. (CTRL-C for the remote system has been re-mapped
to GRPH-C)
The script will work fine with a running X windows environment on the
native / hardware display but if using VNC you will need to fiddle with
X-security settings.
[BEGIN PERL SCRIPT]
#!/usr/bin/perl
#Simple script to send keypresses from CLI to xdtool
#Brian Brindle July, 2021
use warnings;
use strict;
use Glib;
use Glib qw/TRUE FALSE/;
use Term::ReadKey;
$|++;
#$SIG{'INT'} = 'IGNORE'; #Ignore Ctrl-C for now work on more elgant way
of handling.
$ENV{'DISPLAY'} = ':0.0'; # Set X-display
sub xdo_cmd {
ReadMode('normal'); # restore normal tty settings
print "INPUT KEYS:";
my $keyin = ;
chomp $keyin;
qx (xdotool key "$keyin");
ReadMode('cbreak'); #read single char
return;
}
ReadMode('cbreak'); #read single char
my $main_loop = Glib::MainLoop->new;
Glib::Idle->add(
sub{
my $char;
if (defined ($char = ReadKey(0)) ) {#ReadKey(0) - use 1 for
non-blocking (Return undef)
if (ord($char) == 10) { print "[RETURN->]\n"; qx (xdotool key
Return); }
elsif (ord($char) == 30) { print "[UP->]\n"; qx (xdotool key
Up); }
elsif (ord($char) == 31) { print "[DOWN->]\n"; qx (xdotool
key Down); }
elsif (ord($char) == 29) { print "[LEFT->]\n"; qx (xdotool
key Left); }
elsif (ord($char) == 28) { print "[RIGHT->]\n"; qx (xdotool
key Right); }
elsif (ord($char) == 132) { print "[CTRL-C->]\n"; qx (xdotool
key ctrl+c); } #GRPH + C
elsif (ord($char) == 1) { print "[MOUSE LEFT]\n"; qx (xdotool
mousemove_relative --polar 270 10); }
elsif (ord($char) == 6) { print "[MOUSE RIGHT]\n"; qx
(xdotool mousemove_relative --polar 270 10); }
elsif (ord($char) == 20) { print "[MOUSE UP]\n"; qx (xdotool
mousemove_relative --polar 0 10); }
elsif (ord($char) == 2) { print "[MOUSE DOWN]\n"; qx (xdotool
mousemove_relative --polar 180 10); }
elsif (ord($char) == 34) { print "[QUOTATION]\n"; qx (xdotool
key 0x0ad3); }
elsif (ord($char) == 174) { xdo_cmd(); } #CMD + / to enter
xdotool combos. Example ctrl+alt+del
else {
print "$char-> chr\$(", ord($char),")\n";
# Action wtih key presses here:
qx (xdotool type "$char");
}
}
return TRUE; #Loop
});
$main_loop->run;
ReadMode('normal'); # restore normal tty settings
__END__
[END PERL SCRIPT]
Brian
On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 10:43 AM jonathan.y...@telia.com <
jonathan.y...@telia.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> That perl script and whatever else is needed to let the M100 act as
> keyboard input for X windows sounds interesting. I assume you have the
> raspberry pi video output device showing X? Would you be willing to share
> the details?
>
> Jonathan
>
> Original Message
> From : bbrin...@gmail.com
> Date : 2023-12-11 - 13:08 (CEST)
> To : m...@bitchin100.com
> Subject : Re: [M100] M100 ergonomics
>
> I've got several and they get used often. Daily task is usually note
> taking with IDEA! or journaling with the built in text editor. I do use the
> Ultimate ROM II and View80 a LOT. I also use it pretty extensively for
> Amateur radio, primarily logging and satellite tracking. I also spend quite
> a bit of time messing around in CP/M mode doing weird stuff with DDT.
>
> I have a raspberry-pi connected that I've dubbed the "Tan-PI". It's got
> several programs on it to do file sharing / TPDD emulation and I have a
> hacked together perl script that sends each key press from the Tandy to the
> X-windows system as keyboard input allowing me to use the M100 as the
>
Re: [M100] M100 ergonomics
> On Dec 11, 2023, at 4:08 AM, Brian Brindle wrote: > I have a hacked together perl script that sends each key press from the Tandy > to the X-windows system as keyboard input Brian, I remember you mentioning you'd wired up the serial output to XTest in some fun way (wrapping xdotool or X11::Protocol::Ext::XTEST maybe?) to do this, but I think I lost track of the details. Did you ever wind up posting your glue script? It'd be really neat to have a straightforward way to listen to ttyS0 and emit input events.
Re: [M100] M100 ergonomics
Hello, That perl script and whatever else is needed to let the M100 act as keyboard input for X windows sounds interesting. I assume you have the raspberry pi video output device showing X? Would you be willing to share the details? Jonathan Original Message >From : bbrin...@gmail.com Date : 2023-12-11 - 13:08 (CEST) To : m...@bitchin100.com Subject : Re: [M100] M100 ergonomics I've got several and they get used often. Daily task is usually note taking with IDEA! or journaling with the built in text editor. I do use the Ultimate ROM II and View80 a LOT. I also use it pretty extensively for Amateur radio, primarily logging and satellite tracking. I also spend quite a bit of time messing around in CP/M mode doing weird stuff with DDT. I have a raspberry-pi connected that I've dubbed the "Tan-PI". It's got several programs on it to do file sharing / TPDD emulation and I have a hacked together perl script that sends each key press from the Tandy to the X-windows system as keyboard input allowing me to use the M100 as the keyboard to the Raspberry Pi system. I will often remote the Raspberry Pi with VNC on my phone when I need a "real desktop" to send an e-mail or go to a web stie the tandy can't handle from the Linux CLI. These are my two go-to addons. I use a small USB power bank and this for power: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BJDSG28P I also have a bunch of these Laptop "Foot" devices. Just drop one at the back, middle of the Model-T and it greatly improves the ergonomix. They are cheap so I keep one in my bag and one on my desk. https://www.amazon.com/SUPBEE-Universal-Computer-Anti-Slip-Ventilated/dp/B085QL2QXS On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 6:30 AM Gary Wilkinson < gpwilkin...@hotmail.com> wrote: My T102 is connected as a terminal to my VAX4000. I have a DVI connected to an LCD screen with composite video, so I get 80 column full screen text. Very useable. Sent from my iPhone > On 11 Dec 2023, at 10:25, Lee Osborne < leeosbo...@fastmail.co.uk> wrote: > > > I use mine quite a lot for journalling and writing articles, mainly because > it has the best keyboard of any device I own. I find that a desk or table is > fine as long as the light is reasonably good. I can type faster on it than > most other computers or keyboards. > > Lee > >> On Mon, 11 Dec 2023, at 00:47, runrin wrote: >> Hey all! >> >> I was wondering if people would be willing to share how they typically >> use their Model Ts. >> >> I've found that it's pretty difficult for me to find a comfortable >> position to use my Model 100 for any length of time. I'm always bending >> forward to get a better view when I sit at a table or desk, and when >> it's on my lap the lack of palmrest causes the keyboard to slide too >> close to my body making it hard to type. >> >> Do you typically only use them on desks? Do you use yours on your lap? >> Do you use a lap desk? Any tips for how you comfortably use a Model T >> for longer stretches (30+ minutes) would be appreciated. >> >> Thanks! >> > > Lee Osborne > West Lothian, Scotland > 07960 096282 > leeosbo...@fastmail.co.uk > www.journeyman.online/services
Re: [M100] M100 ergonomics
Hi Lee, I don't typically have any issues with it. I'm using V2.12 with the built in TS-DOS support without any issues. Works fine on all my TPDD emulators. I will admit since I'm using a REX I will often swap the URII for TS-DOS just because I can when I'm doing lots of file stuff. What sort of issues are you seeing with yours? You using it with REX or have a real / emulated ROM? Brian On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 7:13 AM Lee Osborne wrote: > Brian - I really like the Ultimate ROM II, but I've had a lot of trouble > getting it to play ball with TS-DOS. I don't know if you've tried doing > that at all, but if you have, I'd appreciate tips on getting it to work. > > Lee > > On Mon, 11 Dec 2023, at 12:08, Brian Brindle wrote: > > I've got several and they get used often. Daily task is usually note > taking with IDEA! or journaling with the built in text editor. I do use the > Ultimate ROM II and View80 a LOT. I also use it pretty extensively for > Amateur radio, primarily logging and satellite tracking. I also spend quite > a bit of time messing around in CP/M mode doing weird stuff with DDT. > > I have a raspberry-pi connected that I've dubbed the "Tan-PI". It's got > several programs on it to do file sharing / TPDD emulation and I have a > hacked together perl script that sends each key press from the Tandy to the > X-windows system as keyboard input allowing me to use the M100 as the > keyboard to the Raspberry Pi system. I will often remote the Raspberry Pi > with VNC on my phone when I need a "real desktop" to send an e-mail or go > to a web stie the tandy can't handle from the Linux CLI. > > These are my two go-to addons. I use a small USB power bank and this for > power: > https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BJDSG28P > > I also have a bunch of these Laptop "Foot" devices. Just drop one at the > back, middle of the Model-T and it greatly improves the ergonomix. They are > cheap so I keep one in my bag and one on my desk. > > https://www.amazon.com/SUPBEE-Universal-Computer-Anti-Slip-Ventilated/dp/B085QL2QXS > > > > > On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 6:30 AM Gary Wilkinson > wrote: > > My T102 is connected as a terminal to my VAX4000. I have a DVI connected > to an LCD screen with composite video, so I get 80 column full screen text. > Very useable. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 11 Dec 2023, at 10:25, Lee Osborne wrote: > > > > > > I use mine quite a lot for journalling and writing articles, mainly > because it has the best keyboard of any device I own. I find that a desk or > table is fine as long as the light is reasonably good. I can type faster on > it than most other computers or keyboards. > > > > Lee > > > >> On Mon, 11 Dec 2023, at 00:47, runrin wrote: > >> Hey all! > >> > >> I was wondering if people would be willing to share how they typically > >> use their Model Ts. > >> > >> I've found that it's pretty difficult for me to find a comfortable > >> position to use my Model 100 for any length of time. I'm always bending > >> forward to get a better view when I sit at a table or desk, and when > >> it's on my lap the lack of palmrest causes the keyboard to slide too > >> close to my body making it hard to type. > >> > >> Do you typically only use them on desks? Do you use yours on your lap? > >> Do you use a lap desk? Any tips for how you comfortably use a Model T > >> for longer stretches (30+ minutes) would be appreciated. > >> > >> Thanks! > >> > > > > Lee Osborne > > West Lothian, Scotland > > 07960 096282 > > leeosbo...@fastmail.co.uk > > www.journeyman.online/services > > > Lee Osborne > West Lothian, Scotland > 07960 096282 > leeosbo...@fastmail.co.uk > www.journeyman.online/services >
Re: [M100] M100 ergonomics
Brian - I really like the Ultimate ROM II, but I've had a lot of trouble getting it to play ball with TS-DOS. I don't know if you've tried doing that at all, but if you have, I'd appreciate tips on getting it to work. Lee On Mon, 11 Dec 2023, at 12:08, Brian Brindle wrote: > I've got several and they get used often. Daily task is usually note taking > with IDEA! or journaling with the built in text editor. I do use the Ultimate > ROM II and View80 a LOT. I also use it pretty extensively for Amateur radio, > primarily logging and satellite tracking. I also spend quite a bit of time > messing around in CP/M mode doing weird stuff with DDT. > > I have a raspberry-pi connected that I've dubbed the "Tan-PI". It's got > several programs on it to do file sharing / TPDD emulation and I have a > hacked together perl script that sends each key press from the Tandy to the > X-windows system as keyboard input allowing me to use the M100 as the > keyboard to the Raspberry Pi system. I will often remote the Raspberry Pi > with VNC on my phone when I need a "real desktop" to send an e-mail or go to > a web stie the tandy can't handle from the Linux CLI. > > These are my two go-to addons. I use a small USB power bank and this for > power: > https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BJDSG28P > > I also have a bunch of these Laptop "Foot" devices. Just drop one at the > back, middle of the Model-T and it greatly improves the ergonomix. They are > cheap so I keep one in my bag and one on my desk. > https://www.amazon.com/SUPBEE-Universal-Computer-Anti-Slip-Ventilated/dp/B085QL2QXS > > > > > On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 6:30 AM Gary Wilkinson > wrote: >> My T102 is connected as a terminal to my VAX4000. I have a DVI connected to >> an LCD screen with composite video, so I get 80 column full screen text. >> Very useable. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On 11 Dec 2023, at 10:25, Lee Osborne wrote: >> > >> > >> > I use mine quite a lot for journalling and writing articles, mainly >> > because it has the best keyboard of any device I own. I find that a desk >> > or table is fine as long as the light is reasonably good. I can type >> > faster on it than most other computers or keyboards. >> > >> > Lee >> > >> >> On Mon, 11 Dec 2023, at 00:47, runrin wrote: >> >> Hey all! >> >> >> >> I was wondering if people would be willing to share how they typically >> >> use their Model Ts. >> >> >> >> I've found that it's pretty difficult for me to find a comfortable >> >> position to use my Model 100 for any length of time. I'm always bending >> >> forward to get a better view when I sit at a table or desk, and when >> >> it's on my lap the lack of palmrest causes the keyboard to slide too >> >> close to my body making it hard to type. >> >> >> >> Do you typically only use them on desks? Do you use yours on your lap? >> >> Do you use a lap desk? Any tips for how you comfortably use a Model T >> >> for longer stretches (30+ minutes) would be appreciated. >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> > >> > Lee Osborne >> > West Lothian, Scotland >> > 07960 096282 >> > leeosbo...@fastmail.co.uk >> > www.journeyman.online/services Lee Osborne West Lothian, Scotland 07960 096282 leeosbo...@fastmail.co.uk www.journeyman.online/services
Re: [M100] M100 ergonomics
I've got several and they get used often. Daily task is usually note taking with IDEA! or journaling with the built in text editor. I do use the Ultimate ROM II and View80 a LOT. I also use it pretty extensively for Amateur radio, primarily logging and satellite tracking. I also spend quite a bit of time messing around in CP/M mode doing weird stuff with DDT. I have a raspberry-pi connected that I've dubbed the "Tan-PI". It's got several programs on it to do file sharing / TPDD emulation and I have a hacked together perl script that sends each key press from the Tandy to the X-windows system as keyboard input allowing me to use the M100 as the keyboard to the Raspberry Pi system. I will often remote the Raspberry Pi with VNC on my phone when I need a "real desktop" to send an e-mail or go to a web stie the tandy can't handle from the Linux CLI. These are my two go-to addons. I use a small USB power bank and this for power: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BJDSG28P I also have a bunch of these Laptop "Foot" devices. Just drop one at the back, middle of the Model-T and it greatly improves the ergonomix. They are cheap so I keep one in my bag and one on my desk. https://www.amazon.com/SUPBEE-Universal-Computer-Anti-Slip-Ventilated/dp/B085QL2QXS On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 6:30 AM Gary Wilkinson wrote: > My T102 is connected as a terminal to my VAX4000. I have a DVI connected > to an LCD screen with composite video, so I get 80 column full screen text. > Very useable. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 11 Dec 2023, at 10:25, Lee Osborne wrote: > > > > > > I use mine quite a lot for journalling and writing articles, mainly > because it has the best keyboard of any device I own. I find that a desk or > table is fine as long as the light is reasonably good. I can type faster on > it than most other computers or keyboards. > > > > Lee > > > >> On Mon, 11 Dec 2023, at 00:47, runrin wrote: > >> Hey all! > >> > >> I was wondering if people would be willing to share how they typically > >> use their Model Ts. > >> > >> I've found that it's pretty difficult for me to find a comfortable > >> position to use my Model 100 for any length of time. I'm always bending > >> forward to get a better view when I sit at a table or desk, and when > >> it's on my lap the lack of palmrest causes the keyboard to slide too > >> close to my body making it hard to type. > >> > >> Do you typically only use them on desks? Do you use yours on your lap? > >> Do you use a lap desk? Any tips for how you comfortably use a Model T > >> for longer stretches (30+ minutes) would be appreciated. > >> > >> Thanks! > >> > > > > Lee Osborne > > West Lothian, Scotland > > 07960 096282 > > leeosbo...@fastmail.co.uk > > www.journeyman.online/services >
Re: [M100] M100 ergonomics
My T102 is connected as a terminal to my VAX4000. I have a DVI connected to an LCD screen with composite video, so I get 80 column full screen text. Very useable. Sent from my iPhone > On 11 Dec 2023, at 10:25, Lee Osborne wrote: > > > I use mine quite a lot for journalling and writing articles, mainly because > it has the best keyboard of any device I own. I find that a desk or table is > fine as long as the light is reasonably good. I can type faster on it than > most other computers or keyboards. > > Lee > >> On Mon, 11 Dec 2023, at 00:47, runrin wrote: >> Hey all! >> >> I was wondering if people would be willing to share how they typically >> use their Model Ts. >> >> I've found that it's pretty difficult for me to find a comfortable >> position to use my Model 100 for any length of time. I'm always bending >> forward to get a better view when I sit at a table or desk, and when >> it's on my lap the lack of palmrest causes the keyboard to slide too >> close to my body making it hard to type. >> >> Do you typically only use them on desks? Do you use yours on your lap? >> Do you use a lap desk? Any tips for how you comfortably use a Model T >> for longer stretches (30+ minutes) would be appreciated. >> >> Thanks! >> > > Lee Osborne > West Lothian, Scotland > 07960 096282 > leeosbo...@fastmail.co.uk > www.journeyman.online/services
Re: [M100] M100 ergonomics
I use mine quite a lot for journalling and writing articles, mainly because it has the best keyboard of any device I own. I find that a desk or table is fine as long as the light is reasonably good. I can type faster on it than most other computers or keyboards. Lee On Mon, 11 Dec 2023, at 00:47, runrin wrote: > Hey all! > > I was wondering if people would be willing to share how they typically > use their Model Ts. > > I've found that it's pretty difficult for me to find a comfortable > position to use my Model 100 for any length of time. I'm always bending > forward to get a better view when I sit at a table or desk, and when > it's on my lap the lack of palmrest causes the keyboard to slide too > close to my body making it hard to type. > > Do you typically only use them on desks? Do you use yours on your lap? > Do you use a lap desk? Any tips for how you comfortably use a Model T > for longer stretches (30+ minutes) would be appreciated. > > Thanks! > Lee Osborne West Lothian, Scotland 07960 096282 leeosbo...@fastmail.co.uk www.journeyman.online/services
Re: [M100] M100 ergonomics
On a desk, with legs made from dried-out pens purposely about 1/2" longer than the standard ones. Lighting's important; just the right angle and brightness setting for maximum contrast without reflections. m On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 7:48 PM runrin wrote: > > Hey all! > > I was wondering if people would be willing to share how they typically > use their Model Ts. > > I've found that it's pretty difficult for me to find a comfortable > position to use my Model 100 for any length of time. I'm always bending > forward to get a better view when I sit at a table or desk, and when > it's on my lap the lack of palmrest causes the keyboard to slide too > close to my body making it hard to type. > > Do you typically only use them on desks? Do you use yours on your lap? > Do you use a lap desk? Any tips for how you comfortably use a Model T > for longer stretches (30+ minutes) would be appreciated. > > Thanks!
Re: [M100] M100 ergonomics
Hi, I keep my Model 100 plugged-in, so the battery doesn't go down to zero. I played with it a little, but yes, the small display is annoying. I do plan to write a little program or two for the computer to control either a stepper motor for music, or a servo motor for a mobile art project, similar to the one I did for my Altair 8800c computer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDaBaBL1mws_channel=WaltPerko == C U L8r, °|° Walt Perko °|° "Kids ... teach them the good stuff, and they still learn the bad stuff on their own." http://www.R2Pv1.com/ RoboGuts Intelligent content for 3D printing making S.T.E.A.M. education better, easier and more affordable Experiments to learn how to use various Electronic Components, Structured Computer Programming, Phonemes for Speech in any language, and Art. "The World Needs a New Economic Model" == Sent from the Cyber7 -Original Message- From: M100 On Behalf Of runrin Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2023 4:48 PM To: m100@lists.bitchin100.com Subject: [M100] M100 ergonomics Hey all! I was wondering if people would be willing to share how they typically use their Model Ts. I've found that it's pretty difficult for me to find a comfortable position to use my Model 100 for any length of time. I'm always bending forward to get a better view when I sit at a table or desk, and when it's on my lap the lack of palmrest causes the keyboard to slide too close to my body making it hard to type. Do you typically only use them on desks? Do you use yours on your lap? Do you use a lap desk? Any tips for how you comfortably use a Model T for longer stretches (30+ minutes) would be appreciated. Thanks!
