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it is nice to hear that you are now out of hospital.

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Re: Garage Band for iPad

[Sean Murphy]

Hi,

I have it for the IPhone and I am finding that not all the controls are 
speaking all the time.

I don't really call this app accessible by my standards.

I am still playing with it and hopefully will get some where.

Sean 
On 09/11/2011, at 2:02 PM, Jane wrote:

> A friend gave me Garage Band for the iPad.  I hear it is accessible  So far, 
> I am at a loss.
> 
> I have managed to get it going, but I can only see instruments, and not even 
> many of those.  I don't even know where to start.  I wa shoping to use this 
> as a teaching tool for home-schooling, that we would work on creating music 
> using Garage Ban, but I can't help my daughter figure it out if *I* am at a 
> loss.
> 
> Does anyone have any links to clear tutorials tht spell out how to use it, 
> wys it could be used, and so on?  Also am interested in the podcast feature.
> 
> Jane
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Locating newly installed apps and adding them to the dock

[Sunil Peck]

Hi,

I downloaded the Get iPlayer Automator app that was discussed on here 
yesterday. I located it in the downloads folder and did cmd+o to open the app. 
I downloaded some programmes from iPlayer that I was able to locate in iTunes 
and play no problem. Then I closed the app.

Having done that, my intention was to add Get iPlayer Automator to my dock but 
I couldn't find it. Here's what I did, from the desktop I did cmd+shft+a for my 
list of apps, but it wasn't there. I assumed it would be there because I'd been 
using it.

I wonder if I might have gone wrong by just opening the newly downloaded app 
instead of actually installing it. If that is right, what should I do instead 
of cmd+o to install a newly downloaded app? And if I install rather than open 
the dmg file will it automatically be added to my list of apps so I can add it 
to the dock?

Cheers for now,
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Re: Garage Band for iPad

[Dane trethowan]

To be perfectly honest, I've never heard anyone say that garage Band is 
even accessible with Voiceover on an iPad or iPhone, garage Band is one 
of those apps I've bought with the iexpress intent of doing something 
with it but so much else takes priority .


Now I don't know whether the Take Control Garage Band tutorials cover 
the iPad version of the software? I don't think they do from what I've 
read of them thus far but I'll double-check that as this could be most 
helpful.




On 9/11/2011 8:41 PM, Sean Murphy wrote:

Hi,

I have it for the IPhone and I am finding that not all the controls are 
speaking all the time.

I don't really call this app accessible by my standards.

I am still playing with it and hopefully will get some where.

Sean
On 09/11/2011, at 2:02 PM, Jane wrote:


A friend gave me Garage Band for the iPad.  I hear it is accessible  So far, I 
am at a loss.

I have managed to get it going, but I can only see instruments, and not even 
many of those.  I don't even know where to start.  I wa shoping to use this as 
a teaching tool for home-schooling, that we would work on creating music using 
Garage Ban, but I can't help my daughter figure it out if *I* am at a loss.

Does anyone have any links to clear tutorials tht spell out how to use it, wys 
it could be used, and so on?  Also am interested in the podcast feature.

Jane

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Re: Voicover Tutorials

[GLEN BRACEGIRDLE]

> Hi Everyone
> 
> I am looking for some Good tutorials or Guides to using Voiceover, I have had 
> a Mac about 5 years and having being using the Zoom feature to make it 
> possible for me to Access everything, However recently due to Work I have to 
> spend more hours on the computer every day and finding the Eye Strain to much 
> and am wanting to learn Voiceover to make things easier, I already use 
> Voiceover on my iPhone 4 and iPad 2 however have never used it on my Mac.
> 
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> appreciated.
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RE: Voicover Tutorials

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Go to the Vision Australia Website and download the Instructional Podcasts
for using Voiceover on the Mac.
There are some new podcasts on using Lion as well there.

David Griffith

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Sent: 09 November 2011 08:50
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> Hi Everyone
> 
> I am looking for some Good tutorials or Guides to using Voiceover, I have
had a Mac about 5 years and having being using the Zoom feature to make it
possible for me to Access everything, However recently due to Work I have to
spend more hours on the computer every day and finding the Eye Strain to
much and am wanting to learn Voiceover to make things easier, I already use
Voiceover on my iPhone 4 and iPad 2 however have never used it on my Mac.
> 
> Any Tips or links to any good tutorials or guides available would be
greatly appreciated.
> 
> Regards
> 
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RE: Locating newly installed apps and adding them to the dock

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Have you tried copying the application to your applications folder and
putting in  the dock from there?

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[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sunil Peck
Sent: 09 November 2011 09:45
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Subject: Locating newly installed apps and adding them to the dock

Hi,

I downloaded the Get iPlayer Automator app that was discussed on here
yesterday. I located it in the downloads folder and did cmd+o to open the
app. I downloaded some programmes from iPlayer that I was able to locate in
iTunes and play no problem. Then I closed the app.

Having done that, my intention was to add Get iPlayer Automator to my dock
but I couldn't find it. Here's what I did, from the desktop I did cmd+shft+a
for my list of apps, but it wasn't there. I assumed it would be there
because I'd been using it.

I wonder if I might have gone wrong by just opening the newly downloaded app
instead of actually installing it. If that is right, what should I do
instead of cmd+o to install a newly downloaded app? And if I install rather
than open the dmg file will it automatically be added to my list of apps so
I can add it to the dock?

Cheers for now,
Sunil




  
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RE: Locating newly installed apps and adding them to the dock

[Sunil Peck]

No, I never thought of that. Cheers.


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Sent: 09 November 2011 11:42
To: 'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility'
Subject: RE: Locating newly installed apps and adding them to the dock

Have you tried copying the application to your applications folder and
putting in  the dock from there?

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[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sunil Peck
Sent: 09 November 2011 09:45
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Subject: Locating newly installed apps and adding them to the dock

Hi,

I downloaded the Get iPlayer Automator app that was discussed on here
yesterday. I located it in the downloads folder and did cmd+o to open the
app. I downloaded some programmes from iPlayer that I was able to locate in
iTunes and play no problem. Then I closed the app.

Having done that, my intention was to add Get iPlayer Automator to my dock
but I couldn't find it. Here's what I did, from the desktop I did cmd+shft+a
for my list of apps, but it wasn't there. I assumed it would be there
because I'd been using it.

I wonder if I might have gone wrong by just opening the newly downloaded app
instead of actually installing it. If that is right, what should I do
instead of cmd+o to install a newly downloaded app? And if I install rather
than open the dmg file will it automatically be added to my list of apps so
I can add it to the dock?

Cheers for now,
Sunil




  
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Re: Locating newly installed apps and adding them to the dock

[Red.Falcon]

Hi Sunil!
When you've moved that app to your app's list just sit on it and use the 
command [command+shift+T] and that will add it to the doc!
Another way is if you open the app it will appear in the doc!
Just go to the doc whilst it is still open and sit on it there and do 
vo+shift+M and right arrow in there you will find a options sub menu and in 
that a keep in doc!
Just vo space on it and you'll be done!
hth Colin

On 9 Nov 2011, at 11:46, Sunil Peck wrote:

> No, I never thought of that. Cheers.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: 09 November 2011 11:42
> To: 'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility'
> Subject: RE: Locating newly installed apps and adding them to the dock
> 
> Have you tried copying the application to your applications folder and
> putting in  the dock from there?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sunil Peck
> Sent: 09 November 2011 09:45
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Locating newly installed apps and adding them to the dock
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I downloaded the Get iPlayer Automator app that was discussed on here
> yesterday. I located it in the downloads folder and did cmd+o to open the
> app. I downloaded some programmes from iPlayer that I was able to locate in
> iTunes and play no problem. Then I closed the app.
> 
> Having done that, my intention was to add Get iPlayer Automator to my dock
> but I couldn't find it. Here's what I did, from the desktop I did cmd+shft+a
> for my list of apps, but it wasn't there. I assumed it would be there
> because I'd been using it.
> 
> I wonder if I might have gone wrong by just opening the newly downloaded app
> instead of actually installing it. If that is right, what should I do
> instead of cmd+o to install a newly downloaded app? And if I install rather
> than open the dmg file will it automatically be added to my list of apps so
> I can add it to the dock?
> 
> Cheers for now,
> Sunil
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Locating newly installed apps and adding them to the dock

[Sarah Alawami]

Normally you will move the app to the apps folder. Actually tha'ts a givenand 
that's what I was taought the first time I ever opened my mac. In fact my 
instructor drilled that in to my head and now I can see why. lol! It's better 
organised to copy  the app from the dmg or folder to the apps folder that way 
it can do what ever it needs to do.

Take care.
On Nov 9, 2011, at 6:35 AM, Red.Falcon wrote:

> Hi Sunil!
> When you've moved that app to your app's list just sit on it and use the 
> command [command+shift+T] and that will add it to the doc!
> Another way is if you open the app it will appear in the doc!
> Just go to the doc whilst it is still open and sit on it there and do 
> vo+shift+M and right arrow in there you will find a options sub menu and in 
> that a keep in doc!
> Just vo space on it and you'll be done!
> hth Colin
> 
> On 9 Nov 2011, at 11:46, Sunil Peck wrote:
> 
>> No, I never thought of that. Cheers.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of David Griffith
>> Sent: 09 November 2011 11:42
>> To: 'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility'
>> Subject: RE: Locating newly installed apps and adding them to the dock
>> 
>> Have you tried copying the application to your applications folder and
>> putting in  the dock from there?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sunil Peck
>> Sent: 09 November 2011 09:45
>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: Locating newly installed apps and adding them to the dock
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I downloaded the Get iPlayer Automator app that was discussed on here
>> yesterday. I located it in the downloads folder and did cmd+o to open the
>> app. I downloaded some programmes from iPlayer that I was able to locate in
>> iTunes and play no problem. Then I closed the app.
>> 
>> Having done that, my intention was to add Get iPlayer Automator to my dock
>> but I couldn't find it. Here's what I did, from the desktop I did cmd+shft+a
>> for my list of apps, but it wasn't there. I assumed it would be there
>> because I'd been using it.
>> 
>> I wonder if I might have gone wrong by just opening the newly downloaded app
>> instead of actually installing it. If that is right, what should I do
>> instead of cmd+o to install a newly downloaded app? And if I install rather
>> than open the dmg file will it automatically be added to my list of apps so
>> I can add it to the dock?
>> 
>> Cheers for now,
>> Sunil
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> guarantee (number 520866).
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Text editor

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Is Text Editor a complete word processing program from which I can print?
Do I need to buy IWorks or another document program?

 

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Dock issue

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Hello,
If someone can tell me my error, I'd certainly appreciate it. When navigating 
the dock items, there are items to the right of the separator (applications, 
documents, downloads and trash). When I land on any of these items, 
instructions say to press VO + space to open the item. When I do, nothing 
happens...ever. All other apps open correctly from the dock. What am I missing, 
please?

Thank you,
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Re: Dock issue

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Hi Karen!
Here is some instructions to get that part of the doc working for you!
this should apply to the apps  as well!
Colin


> Folders that are placed into the Dock by default are set up to work with 
> Stacks, I believe.  What you want to do is navigate to the folder in your 
> dock, and bring up the contextual menu with VO-Shift-M. If you use VO-Down 
> arrow to move through the options, you'll find categories for "Sort by", 
> "Display as", and "View content as".  These are headings for the categories, 
> and will be announced as "dimmed".  The arguments you can check under "Sort 
> by" are: "Name", "Date Added", "Date Modified", "Date Created", and "Kind", 
> with "Name" checked as the default.  It's the options in the "Display as" and 
> "View content as" categories that you'll want to change.  I set "Display as" 
> to "Folder" instead of "Stack", and I set  "View content as" to "List". I 
> don't remember what the default setting of "View content as" is -- it may be 
> "Automatic" or "Fan", but when the contents come up and are not in "List" 
> mode VoiceOver doesn't announce them.  
> 
> You need to bring the context menu up for each item you want to change.  So 
> if you want to view your contents as "List", navigate to the folder, use 
> VO-Shift-M, and VO-Down arrow to "List" then press return. Then if you want 
> to display as "Folder", use VO-Shift-M again, arrow down to "Folder" and 
> press return.   You can use either the up and down arrow keys alone, or in 
> combination with the VoiceOver Control and Option keys to navigate these 
> menus.  The difference is that you won't hear the category headings of "Sort 
> by", "Display as", or "View content as" announced if you use the arrow keys 
> alone without the VO keys.  For anything you do apart from this initial 
> setup, using just the arrow keys by themselves will give you all the 
> information.
> 
> Once you have set up the folder to be displayed as a folder and viewed as a 
> list, you can just navigate to the folder and either press space bar or 
> VO-Space to display the list of contents. VoiceOver will announce the entries 
> as you arrow up and down the list.  Access subfolders with your right arrow 
> key, then move through files in your subfolder with the up and down arrow 
> keys.  Return to the parent folder by using the left arrow key.  You can also 
> move to the bottom of the list with Command+Down arrow or to the top of the 
> list with Command+Up arrow. (This seems to move to the top or bottom of the 
> visible list, so if your list is really long, continue to arrow up or down 
> and then press Command+Up or Down arrow again.)  The very end of the menu 
> options will be an "Options" menu (where you can reset the view options we 
> described above) and an "Open in Finder" option.  This is handy if you want 
> to do an actual copy and paste, or a move of the file in Finder.
> 
> In addition, there's a rather neat trick if you want to move some of your 
> iTunes folders like for Podcasts to the dock, because you can quickly 
> navigate through the menus and start a podcast playing in iTunes from there!
> 
> Also, I've found that in the dock you can use Fn+Down Arrow to cycle between 
> the Applications section, the Folders section, and the Trash.  Fn+Up Arrow 
> also works in the reverse direction.  So this is a quick way to move to the 
> documents section of the dock after you issue your VO-D or Control-F3 command 
> to move to the dock.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther


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> Hello,
> If someone can tell me my error, I'd certainly appreciate it. When navigating 
> the dock items, there are items to the right of the separator (applications, 
> documents, downloads and trash). When I land on any of these items, 
> instructions say to press VO + space to open the item. When I do, nothing 
> happens...ever. All other apps open correctly from the dock. What am I 
> missing, please?
> 
> Thank you,
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iGrill

[Jane]

Eric is at the Apple Store trying to get my MacBook Pro fixzed. 
Hopefully, it's just that they have to replace the cord.


He says there's an app called iGrill.  It's free, and there's a $99 or 
so bluetooth food thermometer that you can get with it.  Anyone tried it 
with the iPad, and just how accessible is it?


Jane
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Re: Garage Band for iPad

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Hi all!
Today I received a message from the Lion court mob!
Talking about garage band for the IOs, they said there has been improved vo on 
it!
So I was wondering if your all up to date and just check if you have any 
updates in your apps!
colin
On 9 Nov 2011, at 09:48, Dane trethowan wrote:

> To be perfectly honest, I've never heard anyone say that garage Band is even 
> accessible with Voiceover on an iPad or iPhone, garage Band is one of those 
> apps I've bought with the iexpress intent of doing something with it but so 
> much else takes priority .
> 
> Now I don't know whether the Take Control Garage Band tutorials cover the 
> iPad version of the software? I don't think they do from what I've read of 
> them thus far but I'll double-check that as this could be most helpful.
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/11/2011 8:41 PM, Sean Murphy wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have it for the IPhone and I am finding that not all the controls are 
>> speaking all the time.
>> 
>> I don't really call this app accessible by my standards.
>> 
>> I am still playing with it and hopefully will get some where.
>> 
>> Sean
>> On 09/11/2011, at 2:02 PM, Jane wrote:
>> 
>>> A friend gave me Garage Band for the iPad.  I hear it is accessible  So 
>>> far, I am at a loss.
>>> 
>>> I have managed to get it going, but I can only see instruments, and not 
>>> even many of those.  I don't even know where to start.  I wa shoping to use 
>>> this as a teaching tool for home-schooling, that we would work on creating 
>>> music using Garage Ban, but I can't help my daughter figure it out if *I* 
>>> am at a loss.
>>> 
>>> Does anyone have any links to clear tutorials tht spell out how to use it, 
>>> wys it could be used, and so on?  Also am interested in the podcast feature.
>>> 
>>> Jane
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Re: Text editor

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Hi Catherine,

TextEdit does let you print results, and you can open Word documents that are 
sent to you in this program.  However, while it is easy to use, and actually 
more powerful than you might initially think, it has some shortcomings if you 
are looking for a word processing program to write research papers with 
footnotes, for example. James Austin has done periodic reviews of what's 
available in this regard.  There are other good accessible word processors -- a 
free program called Bean is one of them -- which also fall short in this 
regard, although they have several nice features.

If you're talking about the most full-featured word-processors you probably 
want to consider either Pages, which is Apple's iWork counterpart to Microsoft 
Word, or Nisus Writer Pro, which is a third party program that was recently 
revamped to version 2, and now is in a 2.1 release.  Both these programs can be 
separately purchased from the Mac App Store (Pages for $19.99 and Nisus Writer 
Pro for $79.99).

There are several people on list who can give you a more detailed evaluation of 
these products, and Nisus Writer Pro, in particular, has many enthusiastic 
users in its new incarnation.  I'll point you to an post I wrote back in June 
in reply to Lynne's query about whether the new version was worth getting:
• Re: Nisus Writer Pro; Query
http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/2011-June/013619.html

That post summarizes an extensive review of the product in TidBITS, and 
excerpts key bits.  The bottom line was that the writer considered it to be an 
overall superior experience to using either Microsoft Word or Pages for word 
processing, but he also made some very detailed comments about topics like 
degree of compatibility with Word documents handed back and forth between the 
two programs (mixed experience: both pluses and minuses.)

Anne is probably the most expert user of Pages on this list.  The current 
version is Pages '09, and is overdue for an upgrade. My guess is that this has 
been running late because it is being written to take advantage of the changes 
that have been made in both Mac OS X and iOS on devices like the iPad. This is 
true for the entire iWork suite (with counterparts to Excel, Word, and 
Powerpoint in Numbers, Pages, and Keynote).  But this is certainly another 
viable alternative.  

One of the shortcomings of the Mac App store is that it does not support trial 
downloads -- developers can offer free lite versions of applications, but they 
cannot offer a free application that later requires you to pay an extra amount 
to keep it functional.  So if you want to use a trial download, you have to 
visit the developer's web site directly.  

You can download a 15-day free trial version of Nisus Writer Pro from:
http://www.nisus.com/pro/

Apple used to have a trial download page for the iWork suite at:
http://www.apple.com/iwork/download-trial/

I don't know whether that still works.  Now all the apps are separately 
purchasable at the Mac App Store.

There was also a discussion about Nisus Writer Pro vs. Pages on this list in 
July.  You can read through the thread at the secondary Mail Archive pages for 
this list:
• Nisus Writer Pro 2.0 Versus Pages; [Revisited]
http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/msg00117.html 

To read down the thread, use the access key shortcut Control+n to navigate to 
the next post in the thread and Control+p to go to the previous post in the 
thread.  These access key shortcuts work for all browsers on different 
platforms if you substitute the appropriate access key (e.g., for Internet 
Explorer use Alt+n and Alt+p; for Firefox I think it is Alt+Shift+n and 
Alt+Shift+p).  Since we have a new Mac VoiceOver user who is sighted, I should 
mention that if you started Safari without VoiceOver running, then the access 
key combination is Control+Option+n for next and Control+Option+p for previous. 
 But if you started Safari with VoiceOver running it is just Control+n and 
Control+p.

There is one other interesting new app for writing called Scrivener.  Rather 
than being focused on the generation of output, it's set up for the use of 
people who write a lot, and want to easily access intermediate tools like 
outlines and lists of ideas.  Scrivener is also available from the Mac App 
Store ($44.99) and is accessible with VoiceOver.  They also have a 30-free 
trial download of their product, but they are also running a NaNoWriMo trial 
special.  This abbreviation stands for "National Novel Writing Month", which 
runs for the month of November.  So they started a special trial download that 
would run through till December 7, regardless of when it was downloaded, and 
announced this at the end of October.  At this point, you would be better off 
getting the regular trial download of Scrivener for the 30-day expiration, but 
there's another offer that is described on the web page of the Scrivener 
NaNoWriMo trial page at:
http://www.literat

Re: Dock issue

[1smart...@cox.net]

Thank you very much! Working fine.

Karen

- Original Message - 
From: "Red.Falcon" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: Dock issue



Hi Karen!
Here is some instructions to get that part of the doc working for you!
this should apply to the apps  as well!
Colin


Folders that are placed into the Dock by default are set up to work with 
Stacks, I believe.  What you want to do is navigate to the folder in your 
dock, and bring up the contextual menu with VO-Shift-M. If you use 
VO-Down arrow to move through the options, you'll find categories for 
"Sort by", "Display as", and "View content as".  These are headings for 
the categories, and will be announced as "dimmed".  The arguments you can 
check under "Sort by" are: "Name", "Date Added", "Date Modified", "Date 
Created", and "Kind", with "Name" checked as the default.  It's the 
options in the "Display as" and "View content as" categories that you'll 
want to change.  I set "Display as" to "Folder" instead of "Stack", and I 
set  "View content as" to "List". I don't remember what the default 
setting of "View content as" is -- it may be "Automatic" or "Fan", but 
when the contents come up and are not in "List" mode VoiceOver doesn't 
announce them.


You need to bring the context menu up for each item you want to change. 
So if you want to view your contents as "List", navigate to the folder, 
use VO-Shift-M, and VO-Down arrow to "List" then press return. Then if 
you want to display as "Folder", use VO-Shift-M again, arrow down to 
"Folder" and press return.   You can use either the up and down arrow 
keys alone, or in combination with the VoiceOver Control and Option keys 
to navigate these menus.  The difference is that you won't hear the 
category headings of "Sort by", "Display as", or "View content as" 
announced if you use the arrow keys alone without the VO keys.  For 
anything you do apart from this initial setup, using just the arrow keys 
by themselves will give you all the information.


Once you have set up the folder to be displayed as a folder and viewed as 
a list, you can just navigate to the folder and either press space bar or 
VO-Space to display the list of contents. VoiceOver will announce the 
entries as you arrow up and down the list.  Access subfolders with your 
right arrow key, then move through files in your subfolder with the up 
and down arrow keys.  Return to the parent folder by using the left arrow 
key.  You can also move to the bottom of the list with Command+Down arrow 
or to the top of the list with Command+Up arrow. (This seems to move to 
the top or bottom of the visible list, so if your list is really long, 
continue to arrow up or down and then press Command+Up or Down arrow 
again.)  The very end of the menu options will be an "Options" menu 
(where you can reset the view options we described above) and an "Open in 
Finder" option.  This is handy if you want to do an actual copy and 
paste, or a move of the file in Finder.


In addition, there's a rather neat trick if you want to move some of your 
iTunes folders like for Podcasts to the dock, because you can quickly 
navigate through the menus and start a podcast playing in iTunes from 
there!


Also, I've found that in the dock you can use Fn+Down Arrow to cycle 
between the Applications section, the Folders section, and the Trash. 
Fn+Up Arrow also works in the reverse direction.  So this is a quick way 
to move to the documents section of the dock after you issue your VO-D or 
Control-F3 command to move to the dock.


HTH.  Cheers,

Esther



On 9 Nov 2011, at 17:08, 1smart...@cox.net wrote:


Hello,
If someone can tell me my error, I'd certainly appreciate it. When 
navigating the dock items, there are items to the right of the separator 
(applications, documents, downloads and trash). When I land on any of 
these items, instructions say to press VO + space to open the item. When 
I do, nothing happens...ever. All other apps open correctly from the 
dock. What am I missing, please?


Thank you,
Karen
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Re: Voicover Tutorials

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Where are the tatorials on this sight?

On 2011-11-09, at 2:41 AM, David Griffith wrote:

> Go to the Vision Australia Website and download the Instructional Podcasts
> for using Voiceover on the Mac.
> There are some new podcasts on using Lion as well there.
> 
> David Griffith
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> To: mac-access@mac-access.net
> Subject: Re: Voicover Tutorials
> 
>> Hi Everyone
>> 
>> I am looking for some Good tutorials or Guides to using Voiceover, I have
> had a Mac about 5 years and having being using the Zoom feature to make it
> possible for me to Access everything, However recently due to Work I have to
> spend more hours on the computer every day and finding the Eye Strain to
> much and am wanting to learn Voiceover to make things easier, I already use
> Voiceover on my iPhone 4 and iPad 2 however have never used it on my Mac.
>> 
>> Any Tips or links to any good tutorials or guides available would be
> greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
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Re: Voicover Tutorials

[Esther]

Hi Lovette, 

The page for the Vision Australia podcasts is:
http://www.visionaustralia.org/info.aspx?page=2287

(I do a Google search for "vision australia podcasts" or "vision australia 
adaptive technology podcasts" to find the page).

There are links to different categories for iOS and Mac OS X.
You can also subscribe to the current Vision Australia podcast series on "Apple 
and Other Accessible Technology" in iTunes:
http://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/apple-other-accessible-technology/id423121261

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Nov 9, 2011, at 10:15, Lovette Yewchan wrote:

> Where are the tatorials on this sight?
> 
> On 2011-11-09, at 2:41 AM, David Griffith wrote:
> 
>> Go to the Vision Australia Website and download the Instructional Podcasts
>> for using Voiceover on the Mac.
>> There are some new podcasts on using Lion as well there.
>> 
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Advice on deleting contacts on the iPhone

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All,
If you wish to delete contacts on the iPhone may I advise you to please 
use the phone app. For some reason you can't always delete a contact in 
the contacts app, even if you double tapped the edit button.

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Re: Advice on deleting contacts on the iPhone

[Sarah Alawami]

Acutaly if you swipe all the way down and flick the delete button is sometimes 
headen but is finable eventally. I'm writing this while  on a break from class 
and need to get back soon lol

1

but this is in the contacts app.

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> If you wish to delete contacts on the iPhone may I advise you to please use 
> the phone app. For some reason you can't always delete a contact in the 
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Atlantis mud client

[michael maslo]

Has anyone tried this mud client? If so did they get a way to make it rad the 
new lines of text read?

For that matter is there a way to do it?

Thanks in advance,
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skype notifications problem

[michael weaver]

i have been looking at skype and the problem of not being told as 
to which of my contacts has come on-line.
i have noticed a strange thing and i wonder if this is the 
problem.
there is notifications under preferences but also there is 
something called notifications settings under conversations which 
seems to be dimmed and i can't seem to be able to do anything 
with this option so i am wondering if this might be where my 
problem is as when i hit enter on it, voiceover just goes back to 
the contacts browser.

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