Question: Reading Webpages

2013-10-19 Thread Parham Doustdar

Hi,

I'm using Mac OSX 10.8.5. When trying to read the Google search results 
and moving to the next item using VO + right from the heading that has 
the webpage title, I hear things like this (each comma between the text 
enclosed in quotes means I press VO + right at this point):


Test.com | The best test site, www, test.com, /, example.

However, what I'd like to hear is this:

Test.com | The best test site, www.test.com/example

Namely, I'd like to navigate by line.

Is this possible?

Thanks.
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Question: Downloading Premium Voices

2013-10-19 Thread Parham Doustdar

Hi,

Where can I download the Voiceover premium voices for Mac OSX?

Thanks.
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RE: Question: Downloading Premium Voices

2013-10-19 Thread David Griffith
You need to go to Voiceover Utility and then find the Voice settings.
If you customise the voice you will find  a table with which  you can
interact which will show a list of available voices. You  can then  check
these Voices and the Mac will download them. It is a little bit awkward with
a need to interact and uninteract in and out of the table to view the
options but if you investigate around there you should be able to find what
you need.

I think there is a podcast done by  Sarah on  this list which investigates
the process.


David Griffith

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Sent: 19 October 2013 07:50
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Subject: Question: Downloading Premium Voices

Hi,

Where can I download the Voiceover premium voices for Mac OSX?

Thanks.

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RE: Question: Reading Webpages

2013-10-19 Thread David Griffith
Try changing the punctuation settings of Voiceover in Safari.
It sounds like you have it set to all. You might be better off with some or
none.
You can access the major settings of Voiceover, including punctuation,
quickly by pressing control option command and right or left cursor keys to
cycle through the settings.

David Griffith

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From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Parham Doustdar
Sent: 19 October 2013 07:49
To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
Subject: Question: Reading Webpages

Hi,

I'm using Mac OSX 10.8.5. When trying to read the Google search results 
and moving to the next item using VO + right from the heading that has 
the webpage title, I hear things like this (each comma between the text 
enclosed in quotes means I press VO + right at this point):

Test.com | The best test site, www, test.com, /, example.

However, what I'd like to hear is this:

Test.com | The best test site, www.test.com/example

Namely, I'd like to navigate by line.

Is this possible?

Thanks.

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Changing country for iTunes Store

2013-10-19 Thread Chris H

Good morning all.
On the desktop version of iTunes it is possible to change the country of 
the store. Can I ask why would one want to do this? Would there not be 
any technical or legal ramifications for doing this? Let's just say I 
changed mine temporarily and it did work but quickly changed it back for 
the above concerns.

Any comments greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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RE: Question: Reading Webpages

2013-10-19 Thread David Griffith
Also in relation to navigating by line this is indeed possible.
You need to check first of  all that in Voiceover settings that you have
line as an item for the web  rota checked. I believe it is not checked by
default.
Just navigate to web rota settings and look for line and then press space to
set this up.
Now in Safari press left and right arrows  to turn quick nav on.
Press left and up arrow to cycle through the rota until you hear lines.
Pressing down and up arrow will now navigate you by a line at a time. Left
and right arrow will still read by paragraph or heading element.

This is a good way of selecting text easily as you simply hold the shift key
whilst pressing the down key. Unlike more clunky forms of text selection in
Safari you will not be restricted  to interactional elements like a
paragraph.

David Griffith

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From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: 19 October 2013 09:04
To: 'Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility'
Subject: RE: Question: Reading Webpages

Try changing the punctuation settings of Voiceover in Safari.
It sounds like you have it set to all. You might be better off with some or
none.
You can access the major settings of Voiceover, including punctuation,
quickly by pressing control option command and right or left cursor keys to
cycle through the settings.

David Griffith

-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Parham Doustdar
Sent: 19 October 2013 07:49
To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
Subject: Question: Reading Webpages

Hi,

I'm using Mac OSX 10.8.5. When trying to read the Google search results 
and moving to the next item using VO + right from the heading that has 
the webpage title, I hear things like this (each comma between the text 
enclosed in quotes means I press VO + right at this point):

Test.com | The best test site, www, test.com, /, example.

However, what I'd like to hear is this:

Test.com | The best test site, www.test.com/example

Namely, I'd like to navigate by line.

Is this possible?

Thanks.

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Another Useful Utility, and yes, it's Free!

2013-10-19 Thread Gordon Smith
Hi all

This app will probably interest those of you who, like us, keep music and other 
media content on external drive.  It is called “CleanMyDrive” and it removes 
all of the invisible junk which OS X puts on your drive.  It works when you 
eject the drive on one or all or selected drivesbut.

Here are four links for the United Kingdom, United States Of America, Canada 
and Australian App Store, viewed in iTunes:

United Kingdom App Store:

https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/cleanmydrive-external-drives/id523620159?mt=12

United States Of America:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/cleanmydrive-external-drives/id523620159?mt=12

Canada:

https://itunes.apple.com/ca/app/cleanmydrive-external-drives/id523620159?mt=12

And finally from Australia:

https://itunes.apple.com/au/app/cleanmydrive-external-drives/id523620159?mt=12

Enjoy!  I hope those links all work for you.

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Re: Another Useful Utility, and yes, it's Free!

2013-10-19 Thread Dane Trethowan
Excellent!

Have been looking for an easier way of doing this, with USB drives I had been 
either using Cocktail for Mac or a Take Command script on a Windows machine to 
clean up drives.


On 19/10/2013, at 10:27 PM, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote:

 Hi all
 
 This app will probably interest those of you who, like us, keep music and 
 other media content on external drive.  It is called “CleanMyDrive” and it 
 removes all of the invisible junk which OS X puts on your drive.  It works 
 when you eject the drive on one or all or selected drivesbut.
 
 Here are four links for the United Kingdom, United States Of America, Canada 
 and Australian App Store, viewed in iTunes:
 
 United Kingdom App Store:
 
 https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/cleanmydrive-external-drives/id523620159?mt=12
 
 United States Of America:
 
 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/cleanmydrive-external-drives/id523620159?mt=12
 
 Canada:
 
 https://itunes.apple.com/ca/app/cleanmydrive-external-drives/id523620159?mt=12
 
 And finally from Australia:
 
 https://itunes.apple.com/au/app/cleanmydrive-external-drives/id523620159?mt=12
 
 Enjoy!  I hope those links all work for you.
 
 Kind regards
 
 --- Gordon Smith ---
 
 Information Technology Accessibility Consultant
 
 gor...@mac-access.net
 
 Telephone:
 
 United Kingdom:  Free Phone:
 0800 8620538
 
 Mobile:
 +44 7907 823971
 
 Europe and other non-specified:
 +44 1642 688095
 
 Or:
 +44 1642 941776
 
 United States Of America And Canada:
 +1 646 9151493
 Or:
 +1 209 436 9443
 
 Australasia:
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 Or:
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Question: Music Players On Mac OSX

2013-10-19 Thread Parham Doustdar

Hi all,

I'd like to have a player with iTunes' capabilities, but with an 
easier-to-navigate interface. Here are the things I'm looking for:


- Playing music by folder structure, rather than tags: I have a lot of 
songs taht are not tagged properly. Using them with iTunes is a pain.
- Easy to navigate in (E.G. through the use of hotkeys and such): iTunes 
is not good in this regard as I have to tab around a lot (E.G. to get to 
the list of albums when I have selected an artist, to search, etc).


Thanks!
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Re: Using An Old Mac Mini as a VPN Gateway

2013-10-19 Thread Gordon Smith
I doubt this would work for you and I’ll tell you why.  Apple only allows one 
interface to be used at once on their IP stack.  This is a modified BSD IP 
stack.  Only way you could do something like this would be to use something 
like IPRouterX.

Kind regards

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On 17 Oct 2013, at 22:21, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote:

 Hi!
 
 I'd be interested in others opinions as to whether my idea can be put into 
 practise.
 
 I have a Denon AVR2113 Surround-Sound Receiver in my lounge which as - 
 amongst its many features - an Internet Radio tuner which I access with my 
 IOS and Android devices.
 
 The big problem is of course that many stations I may wish to listen to are 
 geoblocked.
 
 Listening to them on a Mac or IOS/Android device is simple enough as I can 
 connect to one of Witopia's VPN servers so I was wondering, could I perhaps 
 use an old Mac Mini computer I have here as a VPN gateway?
 
 By that I mean, could I connect the Mac Mini to my Wi-Fi Home network for 
 data input and use the LAN on the Mac Mini as an output for output of VPN 
 data from one of Witopia's servers?
 
 
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Anybody Using a HumanWare BrailleNote Apex 32 BT or QT with OS X?

2013-10-19 Thread Gordon Smith
Hi all

Question is there. I can get the display to work, as in it works like the old 
Brailliant used to work. But I cannot get any of the commands to work, nor can 
I figure out how you do things like navigating OS X Mail.  For instance, I 
think I know how to scroll left/right between windows.  But how, for example, 
do you do things like open the address bar in Safari  I also find that using 
BlueTooth with the multiple keyboard input commands, VoiceOver is very slow.  
Anybody else happened to have tried this?  If so, probably better off list, but 
I’d sure appreciate some tips.

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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-19 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith
Hello Brenda

My apologies for the belated response. Gordon and I are really having a hard 
time keeping pace with mail these days which is gratifying because this list 
has now become a quite high volume forum.

On 13 Oct 2013, at 15:04, meadowlark77 meadowlar...@cox.net wrote:

 • Hit Home twice.
 
That’s certainly one way, yes. As usual though, Esther’s description was 
all-encompassing. it was highly helpful. As is your own tip, because I’d 
forgotten about that one.

Thank you.

Warm regards

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Does anyone use Bookcrawler for the Mac?

2013-10-19 Thread Kristeen Hughes
Is anyone familiar with this app and is it accessible in any way?

Kristeen

On Oct 19, 2013, at 11:37 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith 
ly...@mac-access.net wrote:

 Hello Brenda
 
 My apologies for the belated response. Gordon and I are really having a hard 
 time keeping pace with mail these days which is gratifying because this list 
 has now become a quite high volume forum.
 
 On 13 Oct 2013, at 15:04, meadowlark77 meadowlar...@cox.net wrote:
 
 • Hit Home twice.
 
 That’s certainly one way, yes. As usual though, Esther’s description was 
 all-encompassing. it was highly helpful. As is your own tip, because I’d 
 forgotten about that one.
 
 Thank you.
 
 Warm regards
 
 Lynne
 
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Re: Is VMWareFusion on topic on this list?

2013-10-19 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith
Hello Phil

To join Techno Chat, send a message to:
techno-chat-requ...@techno-chat.net

and to join Windows Access, guess what, send another message to:
windows-access-requ...@techno-chat.net

I hope that helps.

Warm regards

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 Gordon, where would one go to join these two other sister lists of yours?

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Re: good alternative to iTunes for ripping CDs

2013-10-19 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith
Hello Gina

 On 13 Oct 2013, at 19:43, Georgina Joyce g...@gena-j.me.uk wrote:
 
 • Although you want a lovely GUI interface. I would suggest that you look at 
 abcde. Which stands for a better cd encoder. It's a very light weight set of 
 scripts run from the terminal. Via Mac Ports. I used to have a couple of the 
 customised scripts and run them according to the job I wanted to do. i.e. 
 cd2mp3 or cd2ogg.


It is to our shame that our collective knowledge of using the terminal amounts 
to not a lot more than doing a DNS lookup, pinging an IP to see if it’s alive, 
and a number of old server-related shell commands which probably don’t even 
work any longer.

Both of us would be very happy to entertain the idea of using a CLI-based 
application if we could figure out how to do some very specific ripping jobs 
with it. Our preferences are strict and, therefore, our command line syntax 
would need to be accurate.

So, where would we start? Many thanks. We’re always open to suggestions like 
this.

Warm regards

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iPhone app so I can go for a walk in the woods

2013-10-19 Thread Chris Goodwin
Hi all,

Having switched to an iPhone from a simbian, I'm now at the stage of no longer 
wanting to throw my iPhone down the garden but can see how the many apps are 
actually practical and useful.

One thing I was wondering if there is an app for though...

Could someone go out for a walk, logging their route as they went on their 
phone.  They then pass me the route they took, and I can then follow that same 
route.

I am after a sat nav for walking, but also where I have defined the route to 
take - not just the start and end points.

I would like Voiceover to give me directions e.g. Continue on bearing 0 degrees 
for 100 metres, turn right in 10 metres and so on.

My specific purpose is to see if I can go for a walk in the woods by myself.  I 
live near a large forest which has a large network of well defined paths on it 
and I think my vision is good enough to follow a path, but I need to know which 
path is the right one.

Other useful features might be for the person laying the path to be able to set 
comments such as Gate across path with handle to the right.

Browsing the app store there are many GPS map applications but I suspect they 
are too graphically orientated and voiceover wouldn't give me sat nav like 
directions.  

Does anyone know of any apps that could do the job I'm after?

thanks all,

Chris 
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Re: iPhone app so I can go for a walk in the woods

2013-10-19 Thread Leo Bissonnette
Hi Chris,

I have used one called MyWay Classic. I have used it to mark a path in a park 
where I take my guide dog for a walk. You lay down a path of electronic 
breadcrumbs for a route. For example I marked the starting point, with several 
other points added as I made turns. Went back after doing the route to add 
comments at home for future use.

Hope that helps a little.

Leo




On 2013-10-19, at 11:58 AM, Chris Goodwin ckgoodwi...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 Having switched to an iPhone from a simbian, I'm now at the stage of no 
 longer wanting to throw my iPhone down the garden but can see how the many 
 apps are actually practical and useful.
 
 One thing I was wondering if there is an app for though...
 
 Could someone go out for a walk, logging their route as they went on their 
 phone.  They then pass me the route they took, and I can then follow that 
 same route.
 
 I am after a sat nav for walking, but also where I have defined the route to 
 take - not just the start and end points.
 
 I would like Voiceover to give me directions e.g. Continue on bearing 0 
 degrees for 100 metres, turn right in 10 metres and so on.
 
 My specific purpose is to see if I can go for a walk in the woods by myself.  
 I live near a large forest which has a large network of well defined paths on 
 it and I think my vision is good enough to follow a path, but I need to know 
 which path is the right one.
 
 Other useful features might be for the person laying the path to be able to 
 set comments such as Gate across path with handle to the right.
 
 Browsing the app store there are many GPS map applications but I suspect they 
 are too graphically orientated and voiceover wouldn't give me sat nav like 
 directions.  
 
 Does anyone know of any apps that could do the job I'm after?
 
 thanks all,
 
 Chris 
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Re: smtp and pop imap settings

2013-10-19 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith
Hello George

The only way we know of is to highlight an account and then go to the advanced 
options  SMTP Server. Temporarily change the server to the one you don’t want, 
click on Edit and then remove that server. Then change back to the one you want 
and click OK.

I hope this helps.

Lynne

On 18 Oct 2013, at 23:56, George Cham george.c...@mac-access.net wrote:

 Done that . 
 When i go to connection doctor ,the unwanted server names are still there .

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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-19 Thread meadowlark77
You're sure welcome, Gordon. Know it's a lot of work for you to have a list 
of this size and run it and all the server problems or network problems, I 
can't even comprehend, totally, what you're dealing with.

Thanks for getting back.

Take care,

Brenda

mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
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To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?


Hello Brenda

My apologies for the belated response. Gordon and I are really having a hard 
time keeping pace with mail these days which is gratifying because this list 
has now become a quite high volume forum.

On 13 Oct 2013, at 15:04, meadowlark77 meadowlar...@cox.net wrote:

 • Hit Home twice.

That’s certainly one way, yes. As usual though, Esther’s description was 
all-encompassing. it was highly helpful. As is your own tip, because I’d 
forgotten about that one.

Thank you.

Warm regards

Lynne

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Problem using a headset

2013-10-19 Thread Catherine Turner
Hi all,

Can anyone give me any hints about using a headset with my Mac?  I
have one which I can get working sometimes and not oner times.  It's a
Logitech H800 headset.  It's meant to have both bluetooth and wireless
which I thin complicates matters.

The headset has three positions in the device selecter switch which
I believe are off, bluetooth and wireless.  Although it's hard to tell
because sometimes when the audio has come through, I switch to the off
position and the audio carries on coming no matter which position I pt
the switch to.

So I put the dongle in and switch the headset to what I believe is the
wireless position.  No sound comes through.  I go to sound in system
preferences and to the output tab, and here I am stumped because it
seems impossible to just look through the available options with VO
without actually picking one.  So it starts set on internal speakers
and there are 5 rows in the table but as soon as I start moving down
the table VO goes silent, presumably because the sound is trying to
output to a device which isn't connected/working.

I have had this headset working a few times and I just can't fathom
any pattern involving which switch I select, whether I put the dongle
in first or last, whether I try to connect via the headset name in men
extras/bluetooth or go to system preferences.  It's possible the
headset is faulty but this would seem odd as it has worked a few times
and is quite new.

Has anyone got any ideas?  Is there any way of exploring those options
in sound output under system preferences without actually activating
them?  And failing all that, has anyone got any recommendations of
headsets which work properly for a baffled person like me?

Thanks,
Catherine
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Re: smtp and pop imap settings

2013-10-19 Thread Sarah k Alawami
I believe he did that but the connection doctor might have cached some stuff. 
As i never use the tool I don't know but based on what Im reading it looks 
like that.

Good luck.
On Oct 19, 2013, at 9:09 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net 
wrote:

 Hello George
 
 The only way we know of is to highlight an account and then go to the 
 advanced options  SMTP Server. Temporarily change the server to the one you 
 don’t want, click on Edit and then remove that server. Then change back to 
 the one you want and click OK.
 
 I hope this helps.
 
 Lynne
 
 On 18 Oct 2013, at 23:56, George Cham george.c...@mac-access.net wrote:
 
 Done that . 
 When i go to connection doctor ,the unwanted server names are still there .
 
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Re: Problem using a headset

2013-10-19 Thread Sarah k Alawami
Ok. to get your outputs so that vo will speak even when you have it set 
differently, go to the vo utilities and set under sound, cmd 6, the input to 
your internal speakers, not default input. This way you can switch outputs and 
have vo tell you which one. As for your headset problem I don't know as all of 
mine are hard wired.

Take care.
On Oct 19, 2013, at 9:40 AM, Catherine Turner 
catherineturner2...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 Can anyone give me any hints about using a headset with my Mac?  I
 have one which I can get working sometimes and not oner times.  It's a
 Logitech H800 headset.  It's meant to have both bluetooth and wireless
 which I thin complicates matters.
 
 The headset has three positions in the device selecter switch which
 I believe are off, bluetooth and wireless.  Although it's hard to tell
 because sometimes when the audio has come through, I switch to the off
 position and the audio carries on coming no matter which position I pt
 the switch to.
 
 So I put the dongle in and switch the headset to what I believe is the
 wireless position.  No sound comes through.  I go to sound in system
 preferences and to the output tab, and here I am stumped because it
 seems impossible to just look through the available options with VO
 without actually picking one.  So it starts set on internal speakers
 and there are 5 rows in the table but as soon as I start moving down
 the table VO goes silent, presumably because the sound is trying to
 output to a device which isn't connected/working.
 
 I have had this headset working a few times and I just can't fathom
 any pattern involving which switch I select, whether I put the dongle
 in first or last, whether I try to connect via the headset name in men
 extras/bluetooth or go to system preferences.  It's possible the
 headset is faulty but this would seem odd as it has worked a few times
 and is quite new.
 
 Has anyone got any ideas?  Is there any way of exploring those options
 in sound output under system preferences without actually activating
 them?  And failing all that, has anyone got any recommendations of
 headsets which work properly for a baffled person like me?
 
 Thanks,
 Catherine
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Re: iPhone app so I can go for a walk in the woods

2013-10-19 Thread Eileens Misrahi
That was going to be my suggestion, accept for the MyWay Lite. This way you 
could see if the app would work for you. This version is free. It works exactly 
like the paid version, so I won't repeat what has been said. Once a route has 
been saved, you can go and open it up and the route can be reversed to back out 
of your walk in the woods. This app was most helpful when camping in Yosemite 
this past summer in finding locations starting from the tent. Take a look. My 
one tip as others gave to me before using it on an actual route was to practice 
with it to familarize yourself on how it works. I know to get good compass 
directions, the phone needs to be in portrait on a horizontal plane. HTH.

Eileen

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 19, 2013, at 9:08 AM, Leo Bissonnette leo.bissonne...@videotron.ca 
wrote:

 Hi Chris,
 
 I have used one called MyWay Classic. I have used it to mark a path in a park 
 where I take my guide dog for a walk. You lay down a path of electronic 
 breadcrumbs for a route. For example I marked the starting point, with 
 several other points added as I made turns. Went back after doing the route 
 to add comments at home for future use.
 
 Hope that helps a little.
 
 Leo
 
 
 
 
 On 2013-10-19, at 11:58 AM, Chris Goodwin ckgoodwi...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Having switched to an iPhone from a simbian, I'm now at the stage of no 
 longer wanting to throw my iPhone down the garden but can see how the many 
 apps are actually practical and useful.
 
 One thing I was wondering if there is an app for though...
 
 Could someone go out for a walk, logging their route as they went on their 
 phone.  They then pass me the route they took, and I can then follow that 
 same route.
 
 I am after a sat nav for walking, but also where I have defined the route to 
 take - not just the start and end points.
 
 I would like Voiceover to give me directions e.g. Continue on bearing 0 
 degrees for 100 metres, turn right in 10 metres and so on.
 
 My specific purpose is to see if I can go for a walk in the woods by myself. 
  I live near a large forest which has a large network of well defined paths 
 on it and I think my vision is good enough to follow a path, but I need to 
 know which path is the right one.
 
 Other useful features might be for the person laying the path to be able to 
 set comments such as Gate across path with handle to the right.
 
 Browsing the app store there are many GPS map applications but I suspect 
 they are too graphically orientated and voiceover wouldn't give me sat nav 
 like directions.  
 
 Does anyone know of any apps that could do the job I'm after?
 
 thanks all,
 
 Chris 
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Re: iPhone app so I can go for a walk in the woods

2013-10-19 Thread Esther
Hello Chris,

I'll add to Leo's suggestion by giving you the link to the free (lite) version 
of the app he mentions:
• MyWay Lite (free) by Swiss Federation if the Blind
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/myway-lite/id494516234?mt=8

This has nearly all the features of the paid MyWay Classic version, except for 
the ability to transfer a route file via iTunes file sharing.  You will also 
get messages suggesting that you purchase the paid version (for $14.99).  
However, this lets you try out the app and decide whether it is usable for you.

Another app that you might be able to use is Ariadne GPS ($5.99). This is a 
LookAround app that gives you information about your surroundings and also lets 
you explore local maps and set POIs. It doesn't use electronic breadcrumbs the 
way MyWay Lite or Classic does, where you might need this feature for a setting 
with absolutely no paths (like camping in the wilderness).  The reason I think 
this might work for you, is that the Apple Keynote video that featured Ariadne 
GPS at one of their iPhone product announcements showed this app being used by 
a visually impaired man to do exactly what you say you want -- walk 
independently in the forests near his home in Germany. Again, I think there was 
a similar network of paths.  There's pretty extensive documentation about the 
Ariadne GPS app at their web site, including the video that Apple showed with 
this app featured at the start, links to a detailed user manual that was 
revised in August for the most recent version release, an FAQ, and podcasts.  
Here's the Ariadne GPS web page URL:
http://www.ariadnegps.eu/

And here's the link to Ariadne GPS at the app store:
• Ariadne GPS ($5.99) by Giovanni Cioffani
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ariadne-gps/id441063072?mt=8

I have two more suggestions: first, check the AppleVis web site for information 
on useful and accessible apps:
• AppleVis
http://www.applevis.com/
Secondly, since you're a new iPhone user, you might get the free ViA (Visually 
impaired Apps) app prepared by the Braille Institute as a starting point 
overview list of apps:
• ViA - By Braille Institute (free)
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/via-by-braille-institute/id528499232?mt=8

HTH, and welcome to the list.  Cheers,

Esther

On Oct 19, 2013, at 6:08 AM, Leo Bissonnette leo.bissonne...@videotron.ca 
wrote:

 Hi Chris,
 
 I have used one called MyWay Classic. I have used it to mark a path in a park 
 where I take my guide dog for a walk. You lay down a path of electronic 
 breadcrumbs for a route. For example I marked the starting point, with 
 several other points added as I made turns. Went back after doing the route 
 to add comments at home for future use.
 
 Hope that helps a little.
 
 Leo
 
 
 
 
 On 2013-10-19, at 11:58 AM, Chris Goodwin ckgoodwi...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Having switched to an iPhone from a simbian, I'm now at the stage of no 
 longer wanting to throw my iPhone down the garden but can see how the many 
 apps are actually practical and useful.
 
 One thing I was wondering if there is an app for though...
 
 Could someone go out for a walk, logging their route as they went on their 
 phone.  They then pass me the route they took, and I can then follow that 
 same route.
 
 I am after a sat nav for walking, but also where I have defined the route to 
 take - not just the start and end points.
 
 I would like Voiceover to give me directions e.g. Continue on bearing 0 
 degrees for 100 metres, turn right in 10 metres and so on.
 
 My specific purpose is to see if I can go for a walk in the woods by myself. 
  I live near a large forest which has a large network of well defined paths 
 on it and I think my vision is good enough to follow a path, but I need to 
 know which path is the right one.
 
 Other useful features might be for the person laying the path to be able to 
 set comments such as Gate across path with handle to the right.
 
 Browsing the app store there are many GPS map applications but I suspect 
 they are too graphically orientated and voiceover wouldn't give me sat nav 
 like directions.  
 
 Does anyone know of any apps that could do the job I'm after?
 
 thanks all,
 
 Chris 
 

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Opening A Link Embeded In An Email

2013-10-19 Thread Eileens Misrahi
HELLO All,

Last night I opened an email which had a link in it. I attempted to open it, 
but whatever I tried the cursor stayed on the link and it didn't open. I would 
appreciate some direction on how to open a link which is embeded in an email? 

Thanks in advance.

Cheers,
Eileen


Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Opening A Link Embeded In An Email

2013-10-19 Thread Sarah k Alawami
Did you press vo space on the link? If you did this and safari did not  open, 
try this.

1. navigate to the link in the email

2. hit vo shift m and choose open, or open behind mail, what ever is fine.

That should help.

Take care and be blessed.
On Oct 19, 2013, at 11:39 AM, Eileens Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote:

 HELLO All,
 
 Last night I opened an email which had a link in it. I attempted to open it, 
 but whatever I tried the cursor stayed on the link and it didn't open. I 
 would appreciate some direction on how to open a link which is embeded in an 
 email? 
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 Cheers,
 Eileen
 
 
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Re: iPhone app so I can go for a walk in the woods

2013-10-19 Thread Leo Bissonnette
Hi,

Here sounds interesting! Would appreciate the info.

Leo





On 2013-10-19, at 2:43 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:

 There is also an app called here. You have to design the root on the website 
 but they are going to make it so you can design the root on the app and then 
 give someone the qr code to put in to the app, or maybe it's a typed code I 
 can't remember. If you want i can give you guys the apple vis entry.
 
 Take care.
 On Oct 19, 2013, at 11:35 AM, Esther mori...@mac-access.net wrote:
 
 Hello Chris,
 
 I'll add to Leo's suggestion by giving you the link to the free (lite) 
 version of the app he mentions:
 • MyWay Lite (free) by Swiss Federation if the Blind
 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/myway-lite/id494516234?mt=8
 
 This has nearly all the features of the paid MyWay Classic version, except 
 for the ability to transfer a route file via iTunes file sharing.  You will 
 also get messages suggesting that you purchase the paid version (for 
 $14.99).  However, this lets you try out the app and decide whether it is 
 usable for you.
 
 Another app that you might be able to use is Ariadne GPS ($5.99). This is a 
 LookAround app that gives you information about your surroundings and also 
 lets you explore local maps and set POIs. It doesn't use electronic 
 breadcrumbs the way MyWay Lite or Classic does, where you might need this 
 feature for a setting with absolutely no paths (like camping in the 
 wilderness).  The reason I think this might work for you, is that the Apple 
 Keynote video that featured Ariadne GPS at one of their iPhone product 
 announcements showed this app being used by a visually impaired man to do 
 exactly what you say you want -- walk independently in the forests near his 
 home in Germany. Again, I think there was a similar network of paths.  
 There's pretty extensive documentation about the Ariadne GPS app at their 
 web site, including the video that Apple showed with this app featured at 
 the start, links to a detailed user manual that was revised in August for 
 the most recent version release, an FAQ, and podcasts.  Here's the Ariadne 
 GPS web page URL:
 http://www.ariadnegps.eu/
 
 And here's the link to Ariadne GPS at the app store:
 • Ariadne GPS ($5.99) by Giovanni Cioffani
 http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ariadne-gps/id441063072?mt=8
 
 I have two more suggestions: first, check the AppleVis web site for 
 information on useful and accessible apps:
 • AppleVis
 http://www.applevis.com/
 Secondly, since you're a new iPhone user, you might get the free ViA 
 (Visually impaired Apps) app prepared by the Braille Institute as a starting 
 point overview list of apps:
 • ViA - By Braille Institute (free)
 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/via-by-braille-institute/id528499232?mt=8
 
 HTH, and welcome to the list.  Cheers,
 
 Esther
 
 On Oct 19, 2013, at 6:08 AM, Leo Bissonnette leo.bissonne...@videotron.ca 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Chris,
 
 I have used one called MyWay Classic. I have used it to mark a path in a 
 park where I take my guide dog for a walk. You lay down a path of 
 electronic breadcrumbs for a route. For example I marked the starting 
 point, with several other points added as I made turns. Went back after 
 doing the route to add comments at home for future use.
 
 Hope that helps a little.
 
 Leo
 
 
 
 
 On 2013-10-19, at 11:58 AM, Chris Goodwin ckgoodwi...@googlemail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Having switched to an iPhone from a simbian, I'm now at the stage of no 
 longer wanting to throw my iPhone down the garden but can see how the many 
 apps are actually practical and useful.
 
 One thing I was wondering if there is an app for though...
 
 Could someone go out for a walk, logging their route as they went on their 
 phone.  They then pass me the route they took, and I can then follow that 
 same route.
 
 I am after a sat nav for walking, but also where I have defined the route 
 to take - not just the start and end points.
 
 I would like Voiceover to give me directions e.g. Continue on bearing 0 
 degrees for 100 metres, turn right in 10 metres and so on.
 
 My specific purpose is to see if I can go for a walk in the woods by 
 myself.  I live near a large forest which has a large network of well 
 defined paths on it and I think my vision is good enough to follow a path, 
 but I need to know which path is the right one.
 
 Other useful features might be for the person laying the path to be able 
 to set comments such as Gate across path with handle to the right.
 
 Browsing the app store there are many GPS map applications but I suspect 
 they are too graphically orientated and voiceover wouldn't give me sat nav 
 like directions.  
 
 Does anyone know of any apps that could do the job I'm after?
 
 thanks all,
 
 Chris 
 
 
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Re: Opening A Link Embeded In An Email

2013-10-19 Thread Andy Collins
Are you interacting with the email? If so, then VO space should click and open 
it for you. I noted your use of the word embeded, and thought I'd just check to 
be sure that you know, when VO announces embeded, it is refering to an 
attachment, which has to be dealt with in a different way -

Andy
On 19 Oct 2013, at 19:39, Eileens Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote:

 HELLO All,
 
 Last night I opened an email which had a link in it. I attempted to open it, 
 but whatever I tried the cursor stayed on the link and it didn't open. I 
 would appreciate some direction on how to open a link which is embeded in an 
 email? 
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 Cheers,
 Eileen
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Opening A Link Embeded In An Email

2013-10-19 Thread Eileens Misrahi
Hello,

thanks much. I'll try this when I have access to my Mac Air later. VO-space bar 
was one of the options I tried with no success. I'l try this key combo.

Eileenhello All,

When using the word embeded, That's the PC side of me coming out. To clarify, 
when having VO interact with the text within an email, It reads link... I 
used VO-SPACE bar, but it didn't open the link within the email. I will try 
Sara's suggestion when I return home and have access to the Air. Thanks much to 
all of the responses. It's the little stuff that I seem to get hung up on. 
Otherwise, I believe I am getting the hang of the Mac OS. 

Eileen

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 19, 2013, at 12:00 PM, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote:

 Are you interacting with the email? If so, then VO space should click and 
 open it for you. I noted your use of the word embeded, and thought I'd just 
 check to be sure that you know, when VO announces embeded, it is refering to 
 an attachment, which has to be dealt with in a different way -
 
 Andy
 On 19 Oct 2013, at 19:39, Eileens Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 HELLO All,
 
 Last night I opened an email which had a link in it. I attempted to open it, 
 but whatever I tried the cursor stayed on the link and it didn't open. I 
 would appreciate some direction on how to open a link which is embeded in an 
 email? 
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 Cheers,
 Eileen
 
 
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Re: Opening A Link Embeded In An Email

2013-10-19 Thread Sarah k Alawami
Oops? Yeah that could be it as well. In that case interact with the message, 
then vo down  until you get to the embedded thing. then vo shift m and choose 
open or save or what ever ou want to do with it.

Take care.
On Oct 19, 2013, at 12:00 PM, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote:

 Are you interacting with the email? If so, then VO space should click and 
 open it for you. I noted your use of the word embeded, and thought I'd just 
 check to be sure that you know, when VO announces embeded, it is refering to 
 an attachment, which has to be dealt with in a different way -
 
 Andy
 On 19 Oct 2013, at 19:39, Eileens Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 HELLO All,
 
 Last night I opened an email which had a link in it. I attempted to open it, 
 but whatever I tried the cursor stayed on the link and it didn't open. I 
 would appreciate some direction on how to open a link which is embeded in an 
 email? 
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 Cheers,
 Eileen
 
 
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Re: iPhone app so I can go for a walk in the woods

2013-10-19 Thread Sarah k Alawami
I'll see what I can do later. I'm in the middle  of fixing a very  broken 
website. but rest assured a link will be coming to the list no later then 12 am 
east tomorrow lol!

Take care all and be blessed.
On Oct 19, 2013, at 11:48 AM, Leo Bissonnette leo.bissonne...@videotron.ca 
wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Here sounds interesting! Would appreciate the info.
 
 Leo
 
 
 
 
 
 On 2013-10-19, at 2:43 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 There is also an app called here. You have to design the root on the website 
 but they are going to make it so you can design the root on the app and then 
 give someone the qr code to put in to the app, or maybe it's a typed code I 
 can't remember. If you want i can give you guys the apple vis entry.
 
 Take care.
 On Oct 19, 2013, at 11:35 AM, Esther mori...@mac-access.net wrote:
 
 Hello Chris,
 
 I'll add to Leo's suggestion by giving you the link to the free (lite) 
 version of the app he mentions:
 • MyWay Lite (free) by Swiss Federation if the Blind
 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/myway-lite/id494516234?mt=8
 
 This has nearly all the features of the paid MyWay Classic version, except 
 for the ability to transfer a route file via iTunes file sharing.  You will 
 also get messages suggesting that you purchase the paid version (for 
 $14.99).  However, this lets you try out the app and decide whether it is 
 usable for you.
 
 Another app that you might be able to use is Ariadne GPS ($5.99). This is a 
 LookAround app that gives you information about your surroundings and also 
 lets you explore local maps and set POIs. It doesn't use electronic 
 breadcrumbs the way MyWay Lite or Classic does, where you might need this 
 feature for a setting with absolutely no paths (like camping in the 
 wilderness).  The reason I think this might work for you, is that the Apple 
 Keynote video that featured Ariadne GPS at one of their iPhone product 
 announcements showed this app being used by a visually impaired man to do 
 exactly what you say you want -- walk independently in the forests near his 
 home in Germany. Again, I think there was a similar network of paths.  
 There's pretty extensive documentation about the Ariadne GPS app at their 
 web site, including the video that Apple showed with this app featured at 
 the start, links to a detailed user manual that was revised in August for 
 the most recent version release, an FAQ, and podcasts.  Here's the Ariadne 
 GPS web page URL:
 http://www.ariadnegps.eu/
 
 And here's the link to Ariadne GPS at the app store:
 • Ariadne GPS ($5.99) by Giovanni Cioffani
 http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ariadne-gps/id441063072?mt=8
 
 I have two more suggestions: first, check the AppleVis web site for 
 information on useful and accessible apps:
 • AppleVis
 http://www.applevis.com/
 Secondly, since you're a new iPhone user, you might get the free ViA 
 (Visually impaired Apps) app prepared by the Braille Institute as a 
 starting point overview list of apps:
 • ViA - By Braille Institute (free)
 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/via-by-braille-institute/id528499232?mt=8
 
 HTH, and welcome to the list.  Cheers,
 
 Esther
 
 On Oct 19, 2013, at 6:08 AM, Leo Bissonnette leo.bissonne...@videotron.ca 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Chris,
 
 I have used one called MyWay Classic. I have used it to mark a path in a 
 park where I take my guide dog for a walk. You lay down a path of 
 electronic breadcrumbs for a route. For example I marked the starting 
 point, with several other points added as I made turns. Went back after 
 doing the route to add comments at home for future use.
 
 Hope that helps a little.
 
 Leo
 
 
 
 
 On 2013-10-19, at 11:58 AM, Chris Goodwin ckgoodwi...@googlemail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Having switched to an iPhone from a simbian, I'm now at the stage of no 
 longer wanting to throw my iPhone down the garden but can see how the 
 many apps are actually practical and useful.
 
 One thing I was wondering if there is an app for though...
 
 Could someone go out for a walk, logging their route as they went on 
 their phone.  They then pass me the route they took, and I can then 
 follow that same route.
 
 I am after a sat nav for walking, but also where I have defined the route 
 to take - not just the start and end points.
 
 I would like Voiceover to give me directions e.g. Continue on bearing 0 
 degrees for 100 metres, turn right in 10 metres and so on.
 
 My specific purpose is to see if I can go for a walk in the woods by 
 myself.  I live near a large forest which has a large network of well 
 defined paths on it and I think my vision is good enough to follow a 
 path, but I need to know which path is the right one.
 
 Other useful features might be for the person laying the path to be able 
 to set comments such as Gate across path with handle to the right.
 
 Browsing the app store there are many GPS map applications but I suspect 
 they are too graphically orientated and voiceover wouldn't give me sat 
 nav like 

why double messages when in conversation setting

2013-10-19 Thread Mark Furness
I have my email organized  into conversation mode.
each message is read twice, plus the first original message.
I do vo j to move from one field into another.
1. mail box, 2. message box3. message conversation/content.
For example: If there is only 2 messages, I hear each message twice.
Is there a setting I need to change? inord to have no copies ?

Thanks for your help!

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Re: why double messages when in conversation setting

2013-10-19 Thread Sarah k Alawami
I don't think you are getting copies. What you are seeing maybe when you 
expands the conversation is just the top of the conversation. What I do is hit 
enter and then move through the thread with 1 hand with left and right arrow. I 
disabled the preview pain a while ago.

Take care.
On Oct 19, 2013, at 2:55 PM, Mark Furness flintma...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have my email organized  into conversation mode.
 each message is read twice, plus the first original message.
 I do vo j to move from one field into another.
 1. mail box, 2. message box3. message conversation/content.
 For example: If there is only 2 messages, I hear each message twice.
 Is there a setting I need to change? inord to have no copies ?
 
 Thanks for your help!
 
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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-19 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith
Hello Brenda

Actually it was I, rather than Gordon, who responded; but no problem.

iOS7.02 certainly brings up some issues regarding accessibility. What Gordon 
does like about it though is the messaging applet. It’s now far easier to 
quickly edit, respond too and delete messages than it used to be in iOS6. It 
was always possible to do, but not as quick and easy as it is now.

I think Apple missed the boat in some respects. But then again, that leaves 
room for manoeuvre later in the lifetime of iOS, doesn’t it. :)

Regarding the networking and server issues yes, it’s a positive minefield. One 
which Apple seems determined to make more and more difficult to navigate unless 
you happen to be a point-n-click corporate user who is administrating an 
internal IntraNet. For the kind of services which we require to do what we do 
they are making things virtually impossible. So we’re looking to evaluate where 
we go once Mavericks Server is released. If they continue to put the shutters 
up, we may need to investigate alternatives. But never fear, Mac Access is here 
to stay.

Warm regards

Lynne

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 can't even comprehend, totally, what you're dealing with.

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1Password Interchange File

2013-10-19 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith
Hello everybody

I have a question. If you have a 1Password file which contains order details 
for a specific website, how are you supposed to view its contents? I tried 
doing the obvious thing, clicking on and opening the file. It does open up 
1Password but it doesn’t reveal the contents it should. Any comment please?

Warm regards

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Re: 1Password Interchange File

2013-10-19 Thread Dane Trethowan
How about exporting the contents of the file.

On 20/10/2013, at 12:12 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith 
ly...@mac-access.net wrote:

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 I have a question. If you have a 1Password file which contains order details 
 for a specific website, how are you supposed to view its contents? I tried 
 doing the obvious thing, clicking on and opening the file. It does open up 
 1Password but it doesn’t reveal the contents it should. Any comment please?
 
 Warm regards
 
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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-19 Thread meadowlark77
Sorry. I just know you guys have lots and lots of work with what you do, and 
believe me, it is appreciated. I always know when I come on here with 
question, I do get answers.

Thank you,

Brenda

mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
- Original Message - 
From: Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net
To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?


Hello Brenda

Actually it was I, rather than Gordon, who responded; but no problem.

iOS7.02 certainly brings up some issues regarding accessibility. What Gordon 
does like about it though is the messaging applet. It’s now far easier to 
quickly edit, respond too and delete messages than it used to be in iOS6. It 
was always possible to do, but not as quick and easy as it is now.

I think Apple missed the boat in some respects. But then again, that leaves 
room for manoeuvre later in the lifetime of iOS, doesn’t it. :)

Regarding the networking and server issues yes, it’s a positive minefield. 
One which Apple seems determined to make more and more difficult to navigate 
unless you happen to be a point-n-click corporate user who is administrating 
an internal IntraNet. For the kind of services which we require to do what 
we do they are making things virtually impossible. So we’re looking to 
evaluate where we go once Mavericks Server is released. If they continue to 
put the shutters up, we may need to investigate alternatives. But never 
fear, Mac Access is here to stay.

Warm regards

Lynne

On 19 Oct 2013, at 17:26, meadowlark77 meadowlar...@cox.net wrote:

 You're sure welcome, Gordon. Know it's a lot of work for you to have a 
 list
 of this size and run it and all the server problems or network problems, I
 can't even comprehend, totally, what you're dealing with.

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Re: 1Password Interchange File

2013-10-19 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith
hello Dane

To be more specific here. The file contains the output of a website from where 
I bought a MacUpdates promo. We never managed to complete the download owing to 
the site going down. So I need to try and download the whole bundle as a single 
disk image which is what the order offered me. That is why I am trying to view 
the contents of this order file and I had thought that it would have imported 
into 1Password Mac if I double-clicked the file. But no joy. So when you say 
export the file, as what?

Sorry for being so dense on this one as Gordon would say but it needs to be 
sorted.

Lynne

On 20 Oct 2013, at 02:18, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote:

 • How about exporting the contents of the file.

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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-19 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith
hello Brenda

Actually Gordon says he remembers you from a few years back. Yes, we’re always 
absolutely inundated with work both related to and not related to the project. 
We know that it’s appreciated by most if not all of our members and we are 
happy to do the job because we believe that we can provide a service to the 
community as a whole. We also get quite a lot out of it ourselves.

Now, back to iOS7.02. The general consensus seems to be very positive on the 
whole. There are lots of things to come in the near future I think, and it’s 
quite an exciting time to be involved with this type of technology. There are, 
however, still quite a few applications kicking around in the utilities section 
of the App Store which are not, but should be, fully accessible.  For instance, 
the BBC iPlayer doesn’t appear to be working right with VoiceOver from what 
I’ve read elsewhere. I haven’t tried it, but I’m sure others have.

As for the native OS and internal applications, has anybody found any aspect of 
iOS7 itself which isn’t accessible?

Lynne

On 20 Oct 2013, at 03:44, meadowlark77 meadowlar...@cox.net wrote:

 Sorry. I just know you guys have lots and lots of work with what you do, and 
 believe me, it is appreciated. I always know when I come on here with 
 question, I do get answers.

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Re: 1Password Interchange File

2013-10-19 Thread Sarah k Alawami
Can you export it in to text edit or text express and see if it opens up in 
there?

Good luck.
On Oct 19, 2013, at 8:08 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net 
wrote:

 hello Dane
 
 To be more specific here. The file contains the output of a website from 
 where I bought a MacUpdates promo. We never managed to complete the download 
 owing to the site going down. So I need to try and download the whole bundle 
 as a single disk image which is what the order offered me. That is why I am 
 trying to view the contents of this order file and I had thought that it 
 would have imported into 1Password Mac if I double-clicked the file. But no 
 joy. So when you say export the file, as what?
 
 Sorry for being so dense on this one as Gordon would say but it needs to be 
 sorted.
 
 Lynne
 
 On 20 Oct 2013, at 02:18, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote:
 
 • How about exporting the contents of the file.
 
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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-19 Thread Sarah k Alawami
No aspect of ios7 with the native apps poses a problem for me. it all works 
very flawlessly. It' just rocks!
On Oct 19, 2013, at 8:16 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net 
wrote:

 hello Brenda
 
 Actually Gordon says he remembers you from a few years back. Yes, we’re 
 always absolutely inundated with work both related to and not related to the 
 project. We know that it’s appreciated by most if not all of our members and 
 we are happy to do the job because we believe that we can provide a service 
 to the community as a whole. We also get quite a lot out of it ourselves.
 
 Now, back to iOS7.02. The general consensus seems to be very positive on the 
 whole. There are lots of things to come in the near future I think, and it’s 
 quite an exciting time to be involved with this type of technology. There 
 are, however, still quite a few applications kicking around in the utilities 
 section of the App Store which are not, but should be, fully accessible.  For 
 instance, the BBC iPlayer doesn’t appear to be working right with VoiceOver 
 from what I’ve read elsewhere. I haven’t tried it, but I’m sure others have.
 
 As for the native OS and internal applications, has anybody found any aspect 
 of iOS7 itself which isn’t accessible?
 
 Lynne
 
 On 20 Oct 2013, at 03:44, meadowlark77 meadowlar...@cox.net wrote:
 
 Sorry. I just know you guys have lots and lots of work with what you do, and 
 believe me, it is appreciated. I always know when I come on here with 
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