Re: [Mac-access]: introducing my self to the email list

2014-11-03 Thread JAKE JOEHL
Hi and welcome to the list. I have a 13-inch Mac Book Air and love it too. I’m 
still running Mavericks, which is what came pre-installed on here. I will 
probably upgrade to Yosemite sometime down the road, but I’m waiting until it 
is less buggy. This is my first Macintosh computer, and I got it last year just 
after Christmas. I just got hold of a Braille copy of Janet Ingber’s book 
entitled “Learn to Use the Mac with VoiceOver: A Step-by-Step Guide for Blind 
Users,” and I’m going to devote some time to it over the next several days. I 
think you’ll find this as well as other lists to be a wealth of information, 
minus the misinformation that pops up here and there due to spelling mistakes. 
I sure have.
Jake
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On Nov 2, 2014, at 9:08 PM, wui chin Leong adrianleon...@icloud.com wrote:



i have recently got a mac book air 11inch. I am loveing it. i have 4 gigs of 
ram and a 128 ssd drive in it.

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Re: OS X Yosemite review: a solid upgrade for everyone (especially iPhone users)

2014-10-19 Thread JAKE JOEHL
This is a very nice review. I’ve made the decision not to upgrade at least for 
the time being. I still have things to learn in Mavericks, and I want to hold 
off on upgrading at least until most of the bugs in Yosemite are squashed. So 
at least where this user is concerned, if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. I’m not 
trying to put down Apple either with this, but I just feel Mavericks is good 
enough for me right now. It will be a year on December 27 since I’ve had my 
Mac, and it is my first one. But to each his or her own.

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On Oct 18, 2014, at 5:31 AM, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote:

Hi!

I’m replying to my own eMail smile, for those looking for the link to the 
review you’ll find it below my Signature, I thought it would appear above.

**

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 On 18 Oct 2014, at 9:28 pm, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote:
 
 I enjoyed reading this review, hope others will find it helpful.
 
 I already knew about the FaceTime features with iPhone but didn’t know about 
 SMS.
 
 **
 
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 Twitter: @grtdane
 
 
 
 
 
 http://www.engadget.com/2014/10/16/os-x-yosemite-review/ 
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Re: new macbook air owner with question

2014-10-01 Thread JAKE JOEHL
Couldn’t have said it better myself. I got my Mac Book Air almost a year ago, 
and have found the on-board help and tutorial to be very good. There is also 
AppleVis, which has a wealth of information not only for the Mac but also for 
iOS devices. As others have said, we’re always glad to assist too. I’m planning 
to read Janet Ingber’s book soon as well, which I’ve heard is quite 
comprehensive.
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On Oct 1, 2014, at 9:09 AM, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com wrote:

I find life is lot easier if you have the tab key set to interact 
automatically..
Go to Vo Utility with VO F8 and then  interact with the category table and then 
the press N which should hum you to navigation. Stop interacting and Vo Cursor 
down through a whole lot of options until you hear Automatically interact when 
using tab key . Make sure  you have this checkedwith VO Space and close the 
window with Command W.
Now in the  app store you will find the search edit field in the top toolbar 
which you may have to interact with to see. Type in your search criteria 
and press enter. Pressing tab after I have done this will get me to the 
search results html area. If I interact with this I am able to read the search 
results normally..

It sou sounds a little complicated but after a while it will seem like second 
nature.

David Griffith
On 1 Oct 2014, at 13:48, Bob Moore moore.bo...@gmail.com wrote:

 As the subject line says I am new to mac I have had a iPhone for almost
 three years.  I like all others are finding a learning curve.  But the
 question that I am needing help on today is the app store.  What do you do
 after finding the search field and putting the name of the app in.  I hear
 the mac tell me that the name as been highlighted and that is where I get
 lost.  I have to say that the help at the Apple Store here was not a great
 amount of help. If anyone could be of some help I would appreciate it.  I am
 one of those people that needs step by step linstructions.  Thanks for any
 help.  
 
 
 
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Re: Verbosity in E-mail

2014-07-27 Thread JAKE JOEHL
Hi everyone. Sorry this is a bit late, but I’ve been going through my email and 
deleting unwanted messages to try and find the root cause of a rather odd 
problem. But here is a tip I found yesterday on AppleVis, which can help with 
email verbosity. Apologies in advance if this is a duplicate post. But you can 
actually control how much of the message is read when just arrowing to it or 
going through email for the first time or whatever. To do this, bring up the 
View menu by going to mail Preferences with Command-Comma, and then tab to the 
View menu. I had to turn Quicknav on in order to find the exact setting, but it 
is called List Preview. You will find a pop-up menu which lets you control the 
number of lines read after announcing the message. Hope this helps someone.
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On Jul 25, 2014, at 3:45 PM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:

Hello Eleanor,

Press VO-V then navigate right until you hear Text Attributes. use the up or 
down arrow to find DO Nothing, then press Return.

Cheers,

Anne


On 25 Jul 2014, at 20:17, Eleanor Burke eleanormarthabu...@gmail.com wrote:

 It hasn’t made any difference when I change to minimum, it is still reading 
 out everything from type face to colour etc etc.
 
 Eleanor
 On 25 Jul 2014, at 18:56, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote:
 
 Yes, you can change this behavior in the text tab, but you can also use vo-v 
 to do it quicker.
 Best,
 Zack.
 On Jul 25, 2014, at 10:54 AM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 It's the text atributes. I think it's in the text tab of the verbosity pane.
 
 On Jul 25, 2014, at 12:45, Eleanor Martha Burke 
 eleanormarthabu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I am reading an e-mail with a link, when I come to the link vo says a 
 shade of royal blue on and it then reads the link.  I have tried to alter 
 the verbosity from high, through medium and low but even on low vo still 
 says this about a shade of royal blue, it also seems to be reading out 
 font type face and colour.  Any ideas please.  This was why I was looking 
 for Skype help so someone might hear what is going on.
 
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Re: Accessible email program's for mac

2014-07-24 Thread JAKE JOEHL
You might also like the Online Mail Client, available for free at 
http://www.nsstudiosweb.com . They also had a downloadable email client that 
was very screen reader-friendly but I don’t know if that one is available for 
Mac, iOS, or any other platform. I have actually sent someone a message though 
using their online client with VoiceOver and the Windows-based screen readers I 
used, and it worked very well. It is a ways down the page, but their site does 
have headings and a search feature. Hth.
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On Jul 22, 2014, at 5:31 PM, Margaret Booth margaretebo...@gmail.com wrote:



Can anyone suggest any program's that I can use for the mac that is accessible 
other than mail  

Margaret 
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Re: Should I move to Mavericks?

2014-07-24 Thread JAKE JOEHL
Works very well on my mid-2013 Mac Book Air too. This is my very first Mac  
computer, and I really like Mavericks. The default email program can get a bit 
clunky but over all I like it. But it’s your call and nobody else can make that 
decision for you. My local Apple store has been extremely helpful.
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On Jul 19, 2014, at 10:44 AM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:

I use mavericks with a 2009 mac mini, 2010 mac mini, and 2010 mac book, works 
fine. I would say go ahead and upgrade.
On Jul 19, 2014, at 4:27 AM, Ian Harrison 
harrisonc...@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk wrote:

   
 Hi listers
 
 I have a 2010 mac mini, running mountain lion. It is a little slow opening 
 apps but not too bad yet. I am about to start a degree in September and may 
 be getting a laptop as well, which will probably be using Mavericks or 
 Yosemite.
 
 I am looking for opinions as to the pros and cons of upgrading to Mavericks 
 at this time and whether my mac mini will be better or worse with the upgrade.
 
 Not urgent, but thought others may be having the same thoughts.
 
 Thanks
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Re: Deleting podcasts in iTunes, What is the trick?

2014-06-26 Thread JAKE JOEHL
On a related note, whenever I download podcasts from their respective 
websites--for either later listening or if I listen right when iTunes opens up 
after said podcast episode has downloaded--a rather interesting thing has been 
happening lately. Awhile back I downloaded an album for free from another 
website, and I listened to it the entire way through. I loved it, but it seems 
I still get a song or two from this album even though I have deleted it and 
removed it from the trash. What happens is that the podcast episode will play 
just fine, but immediately after that a song comes on.
Jake



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Hi listers,

I have the newest iTunes.  I'm stumped as to how to delete podcast 
episodes. When I navigate to the episodes table, and try to press delete, 
nothing happens. I believe I used to have to do command delete, but still 
nothing happens. I tried to context menu to try to find a delete option, I 
found all kinds of options, but no delete. Can someone tell me how to delete 
these episodes that are cluttering up my computer?

Eric Caron 
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Re: Server Transition: IMPORTANT: PLEASE READ!

2014-06-24 Thread JAKE JOEHL
I would like to stay on here too, for the time being.
Jake
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On Jun 23, 2014, at 7:12 PM, Jessica Benzing jb...@me.com wrote:

But I am on the list. Just please don't take me off?  

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 Sorry for confusing your name with someone else's. Please accept my apology. 
 
 Eileen
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 Hello everybody
 
 As some of you may be aware, we have been planning for some time to migrate 
 the Mac Access server to a new physical server system and also to a new DNS 
 host. This involves a very great deal of work on our part and I’d like to 
 tell you a little bit about why that is the case.
 
 For some time now, we have been experiencing a problem with the server 
 administration tools we used to use to help us administrate both the member 
 listing for all of our groups, and also other vital server configurational 
 data. The net result of these problems is that the member listing is not 
 visible to us at all, neither is any of the other server data, or the list 
 data itself.  Therefore, the only access we have to the list configuration 
 is that which every user has to their own specific configuration. Without 
 going into too much technical detail, Gordon keeps having to manually 
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Re: creating a signature at the bottom of my email messages on mac

2014-06-14 Thread JAKE JOEHL
This seems to be a bug in the latest version of Mavericks, or perhaps it is 
just a VoiceOver bug. . I cannot get it to work at all, even when I interact 
with the table. My new signature is listed, but I can’t get it to display at 
the bottom of messages which I send. I’ve even tried switching to None in the 
pop-up menu that appears before the Priority menu, but still no dice. I have no 
problem manually putting in my signature prior to sending each message, but I’m 
wondering if this will be fixed in Yosemite.
Jake

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  In the demonstrations section of my website, I did a podcast on creating and 
using mail signatures.  If that isn't clear to you, please let me know and I'll 
try to break it down into steps to help you.


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 When I use the mail app on my iPhone I can have a set signature that gets 
 inserted directly at the end of my message, but i can't seem to make that 
 work on the mac the same way. I'd like to have a set signature at the bottom 
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Re: Voiceover coming out of one ear

2014-06-05 Thread JAKE JOEHL
Hi George. Glad to hear you’re on the mend. As to VoiceOver with headphones, 
this has happened to me before once on my Mac and several times when I had my 
Dell laptop. What I did was to jiggle the headset cord a bit, the part that is 
plugged into the laptop. Hopefully someone else on list can give a better 
answer as I’ve not used earphones of any kind on my Mac yet, except for once 
briefly at work. Somebody stole mine.
JAKE



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I’ve been away from the mac for the past week due to illness .
I’m on the mend , but I’ve just come back to the mac, and have found that 
voiceover is coming  out of one ear when wearing earphones .

How do i fix this?
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Re: radio interview about OS x

2014-06-05 Thread JAKE JOEHL
Just listened to this interview. I did get to listen to part of the WWDC on 
Monday, while I was running back and forth doing apartment chores and my 
laundry. This was my first WWDC, and I was honestly pretty impressed. Great job 
guys!
JAKE 


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I interviewed David Woodbridge, Technology Specialist from Vision Australia, 
David talked about OS x for the Mac.
You can hear David's interview, go to
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I invite you to follow me on Twitter
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Re: WWDC Stream Info Needed; Urgenly

2014-06-02 Thread JAKE JOEHL
I’m listening to the stream as I type this. Unfortunately I can’t be at my 
laptop for all of it as I have other things to do including bringing up my 
clean laundry pretty soon here. But I got to the live stream by going to the 
AppleVis website, and clicking on the entry for WWDC Blog. When you’re there 
you should find a direct link to the Events section of Apple’s site. The live 
stream began playing on my end pretty much right away, and I didn’t have to do 
anything. I was expecting a bit more volume, but I guess that’s to be expected 
for a live event like this. Regarding the presentation itself, I have not yet 
heard anything related to accessibility either on iOs or OS X.
JAKE JOEHL




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Here is the direct stream ink.

http://www.apple.com/apple-events/june-2014/
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 You will find the Keynote direct link.
 Hope it helps!
 
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Re: Apple to live stream WWDC 2014 keynote on June 2; promises exciting announcements

2014-05-27 Thread JAKE JOEHL
I, too, am going to mark my calendar and will try my best to catch this. This 
will be the very first WWDC presentation for me, and I can’t wait to hear what 
Apple has in store for us. They’ve already rolled out the red carpet for us! 
Hope to have my right ear totally unclogged by then. Lol never mind, don’t know 
why I put that last bit here. But seriously, this should be awesome.

Jake



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I hope to be there if nothing happens and if I'm up in time. 10 am pst is when 
I usually am up. lol! I'll be trying to live tweet with the hash tag #wwdc so 
those that have no interest feel free to mute the hash tag out.
http://feeds.iphonehacks.com/~r/iphonehacks/~3/zAE6iTRfB4Q/wwdc-2014-keynote-livestream.html
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Re: Hebrew voices, thoughts and question?

2014-05-08 Thread JAKE JOEHL
Interesting. I wonder if a program such as Balabolka or DSpeech would work? Not 
sure if those 2 even work with Apple products but just a thought. I, too, 
frequently use the Nuance voices on my Mac. Or perhaps the Hebrew voices are 
coming in a future update?
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Hi guys,
I ran across an interesting piece of information today regarding a Hebrew voice 
for text to speech solutions. Apparently, Nuance has developed recently and put 
out a Hebrew voice, named Carmit. This voice is available on windows and 
Android platforms. Now, what makes this interesting is that from what my 
research taught me, Apple actually uses Nuance as a voice provider. Most of my 
voices that I use with voiceover are in fact Nuance voices. Tarik, the Arabic 
voice, and Aurelie, the French voice, are 2 examples of this, as well as the 
English South African voice.
Now, apparently all that Apple would have to do it would seem to make the 
Hebrew Carmit voice available would be to add it to its Nuance voice server. It 
seems that this could be rather an easy fix for Apple, especially since they 
already use a tun of Nuance voices.
Question 1, what do you guys think? Is this a possible solution? I know there 
are a small group of us that really want a Hebrew voice.
question 2, do any of you know if it's possible to somehow get a Nuance voice, 
like this Hebrew one, on the mac through some 3rd party means? I wish there was 
a way I could try and make it work.
Anyway, I'm interested in you alls thoughts on this. If you wanna know more or 
hear a sample, just google Hebrew voice Carmit Nuance.
Thanks
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Re: publishing to wordpress.

2014-05-04 Thread JAKE JOEHL
I also  recently discovered Dream Width Studios. It seems to be similar to 
WordPress in some respects, yet it also contains some Live Journal features. I 
don’t know if this is necessarily what you’ve been looking for, but it’s a cool 
site and very accessible with VoiceOver on the Mac. Check it out at 
http://www.dreamwidth.org , and their mobile site is m.dreamwidth.org . I don’t 
own an i-device, but the mobile site works well too. It seems to be a bit 
stripped down though.
JAKE JOEHL
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Re: mac focusing issues under 10.9

2014-04-28 Thread JAKE JOEHL
I’ve never experienced the focus issues referred to here. But occasionally Alex 
stutters. I now have the default voice set to Ava and so far so good.
Jake
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On Apr 27, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Diane Bomar bomon...@earthlink.net wrote:

 I  also have a focusing issue with my Mac mini 2012, while running 10.9.2. 
 There 
 is a lot of stuttering, and changing focus, and noise.
 
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 From: William Lomas w.d.lo...@btinternet.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 3:10 AM
 Subject: mac focusing issues under 10.9
 
 
 hi all on my mac when i am on the desktop under 10.9.2
 When i am on my desktop and i click a file it isn’t working and it is like my 
 focus is not not he desktop does that make sense?
 
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Re: New to list and seeking some guidance on the new Mac book air I have just purchased

2014-04-27 Thread JAKE JOEHL
Hi Mark and welcome aboard. I am rather new to the Mac too. I just got my Mac 
Book Air after Christmas, and love it. To open a website in Safari, press 
Command L and then type in the URL. When Safari is first launched though you 
will automatically be placed in the address bar. To exit a website hit Command 
W, and to close out of Safari altogether Command Q. AppleVis is probably where 
you want to look first for training. Go to www.applevis.com . I’ve also found 
Google Chrome to be a great browser, and Chromevox is very good. Google Chrome 
works almost the same as Safari. Hth.
Jake
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 Hello, I am new to this list. It was recommended to me by, someone on an iOS 
 blind listserv. I have just taken the plunge, and moving from a PC computer, 
 to the Mac book air. I have taken the tutorial on voice over. It explained 
 some of the key commands that would be very helpful. 
 
 I am finding that my first frustration, or challenge, is to navigate the web. 
 Using Safari, and using the limited voiceover commands that I learned in the 
 tutorial, has proven not very helpful. I have a tendency, to not know where I 
 am navigating too, how to get out of a window, close the window, go back 
 where I was, or simply delete something.
 
 I realize there is a lot to learn. And one email, is not going to solve all 
 of my challenges. So, could people reply with what they feel, would be the 
 top four or five key commands I should know to navigate in a web environment. 
 Using Safari. Or recommendations for other web browsers? It will be a 
 wonderful place, to start. Thank you
 
 Mark
 Seattle 
 
 YSent from my iPhone
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Re: not notified of battery drain in mac 10.9

2014-04-08 Thread JAKE JOEHL
I was wondering the same thing, because the low-battery notification on my 
mid-2013 Mac Book Air isn’t that accessible either. It just says “Notification 
Center, Image” at about 1 or 2 percent, can’t quite remember now. But I 
recently purchased the Battery Monitor app and it is great. It’s available for 
$4.99 from Marcel Bresink Software-Systeme, forget the link offhand but if you 
search for “Battery Monitor” on the AppleVis website you’ll find it. David 
Woodbridge even did a podcast about it. I haven’t gotten the Growl 
notifications to work, don’t know why. But it’s well worth the price.
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On Apr 7, 2014, at 1:33 PM, Chris Apple boy christopher...@gmail.com wrote:

 On my Macbook Pro I get one single notification marked low battery. I don't 
 know how low it is as I haven't checked the battery in the Extras Menu at the 
 time.
 
 Regards Chris
 
 Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
 
 On 07/04/2014 19:18, William Lomas wrote:
 hi all is the battery notification now in 10.9 for the fact the battery will 
 die in ten mins only on macbook air after 2013?
 i haven’t got the right model if that is the case
 
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Re: other voices now in 10.9

2014-04-05 Thread JAKE JOEHL
I’m currently using Daniel for Chromevox and he’s working well. Just out of 
curiosity though, would it be possible for me to obtain some voices I am 
missing? I’m missing UK-English Emily, Sangeeta and Jill. If not that’s okay, 
but I just find it rather strange that these voices are not on my system. I 
even did a search for them in the text field, but no dice. I’m running 10.9.2 
on a mid-2013 Mac Book Air. I know at least some other people have these 
voices, because I listened to an Apple Vis podcast where they were demonstrated 
along with the other ones.
Jake
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 system are these from?
 is it loquendo?
 
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Re: Samnet Socializer

2014-04-01 Thread JAKE JOEHL
The Socializer cannot be used with VoiceOver at this time at least, but it is 
an awesome product. I used it all the time in Windows on both my Dells, and I 
hope to start using it again on the Mac using Bootcamp. Never used it in Chrome 
before, but Serotek products have been known to get along great with Chrome. 
I’d suggest checking out their website at http://www.serotek.com , and perhaps 
contacting them to discuss this further.
Jake
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On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:10 AM, Laurel and Stockard laurel.stock...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 Ok, so you're saying that you can't use safari with it? So you use google 
 chrome? And are you also saying that you use it in vm Fusion? Just wanna make 
 sure I'm understanding you right. Could it be used with google chrome and 
 voiceover, directly in the mac environment without VM Fusion?
 Thanks
 Laurel
 On Apr 1, 2014, at 9:31 AM, wayne17a wayne...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hi I use sam net but in a vm because you
 have to use chrome else but apart from that it is very good with all parts
 of media like fb messaging and twitter the controls are easey to figure out
 and use but with sam there is also a load of audio discriped movies and tv
 series to watch and all manner of radio stations to listen to and if you buy
 a plan you can have docuscan witch is a pdf converter and is awesome at what
 it can do but if you go to www.satogo .com you can sign up for a free seven
 day subscription to try all of the features of sam net and I don't think you
 will look back hope this helps 
 
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 Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 9:26 PM
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility
 Subject: Samnet Socializer
 
 So, I'm looking at using Samnet Socializer sold by Serotek. I've heard it
 can help me better access social media as well as blog and run a personal
 website. Do any of you use this with the mac, iPad and iPhone and with
 Voiceover? Would you recommend this product? And finally, how compatible is
 this with Apple and the Mac?
 Thanks
 Laurel
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Re: accessible website building solutions

2014-04-01 Thread JAKE JOEHL
Drupal is also said to be very accessible. That’s the platform on which the new 
website for my volunteer job was going to be built. At the beginning of last 
year a former coworker of mine sent me a half-built login page for our new 
site, and it was very accessible in Windows but not at all on the Mac with 
VoiceOver. I lost the URL to that page, otherwise I would’ve tested it out with 
Chromevox. But that’s just as well, because 
we have absolutely no funding to continue with the new website. But I digress. 
I think Drupal is at http://www.drupal.org . I have no firsthand knowledge of 
it, but I heard it works well on the Mac and Windows.
Jake JOEHL
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On Apr 1, 2014, at 1:29 PM, Laurel and Stockard laurel.stock...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 Hey Sarah, thanks for the information! Does anybody know anything about a 
 website building service called Ipage? I believe their website is 
 www.ipage.com My father uses that for his website, but I'm not sure how 
 accessible that one is. My father said I might be able to use that along with 
 wordpress, and maybe do it cheaper than just using wordpress alone. Thoughts?
 Laurel
 On Apr 1, 2014, at 12:30 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I use wordpress for all of my website building needs. this is basically a 
 cms and the back end is very very accessible with the mac. I don't know css 
 or I could adjust culors and stuff, but to try it out you could host your 
 site at wordpress.com if you don't feel comfortable self hosting it.
 
 It's not fancy but for an example see 
 
 http://alawamiproductions.com
 
 They are even creative on the 404 error  messages Thise are not my doing. 
 Heha.
 
 Good luck.
 On Apr 1, 2014, at 9:32 AM, Laurel and Stockard laurel.stock...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi guys,
 So, upon discovering straight from the Samnet Socializer people that it's 
 not built for the mac, not generally accessible with the mac, and not 
 recommended for mac, I've decided not to buy. So, that brings me to my 
 subject here. I was going to use Samnet for the personal website feature. 
 I'm starting a small business and need a website. What website building 
 solutions do you guys know of that are compatible with Voiceover? I'm also 
 looking for something that is really user friendly, I'm a pretty good 
 person with computers I'd like to think, but this will be my first time 
 building a website myself.
 Any suggestions would be much appreciated.
 Laurel
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Re: how to make a group email?

2014-03-24 Thread JAKE JOEHL
If you are sending the email to a bunch of people, one good option is to put 
all of them in the BCc field and then in the To field just type your name 
and/or email address. This helps eliminate spam, and it also prevents all 
recipients from having to weed through all the email addresses to get to the 
message body. Hth.
Jake
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 hi eric i do this with the braille sense but i think on the mac would you put 
 commas between the email addreses but surely there must be a better way.
 
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 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Date: Monday, 24 March 2014 8.21 pm
 Subject: how to make a group email?
 
 
 
 Hi listers,
 
 Can someone give me the directions on how to create a email that will send 
 out a message to a pre selected number of people?
 
 For example, I'd lioke to create a email that sends a message to all the 
 people that were in my guide dog training class with me.  
 
 I'd appreciate details on how to do this as a number of new responsibilities 
 would make this ability a real time saver.
 I'm using Mail in Mountain Lion 
 
 Eric Caron 
 
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Re: Chrome Web Store - ChromeVox

2014-03-21 Thread JAKE JOEHL
I’m not sure yet, still figuring it out but it is definitely a keeper for me. 
To the person who asked how I found the American-English Google TTS voice, I 
went to the Options page of Chromevox by hitting Command-Control-O and then O 
by itself. All the voices are listed there. This page only seems to come up if 
you already have a website open in Chrome, but I’m going to do some more with 
it today or this weekend.
Jake
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On Mar 21, 2014, at 3:14 AM, Chris Apple boy christopher...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all
 Can we use Os X's system voice with ChromeVox? I have it set to British 
 English Daniel. Thanks!
 
 Regards Chris
 
 Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
 
 On 21/03/2014 01:49, JAKE JOEHL wrote:
 Hi everyone. I’ve been playing around with Chromevox a bit, and I love it. I 
 just found the Google American-English voice, I think Grizelda is her name. 
 She doesn’t sound that bad. A bit snobbish perhaps, but I still like her. I 
 wonder if she has any relation to Grizelda of the now-defunct eVoice? I’m 
 going to play with Chromevox some more, but I think Google really did a nice 
 job with it and I told them so over in one of their discussion groups.
 Jake
 
 
 
 
 On Mar 18, 2014, at 6:11 PM, JAKE JOEHL jajo...@att.net wrote:
 
 Hi everyone. I’m trying to install Chromevox but I think I’m a bit lost. 
 The Chromevox website at http://www.chromevox.com  says to activate the 
 “Add to Chrome” button, but I’m not finding that. Where might I be going 
 astray here?  Here is where I went to try and get Chromevox.
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 https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
 
 
 
 
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Re: Chrome Web Store - ChromeVox

2014-03-20 Thread JAKE JOEHL
Hi everyone. I’ve been playing around with Chromevox a bit, and I love it. I 
just found the Google American-English voice, I think Grizelda is her name. She 
doesn’t sound that bad. A bit snobbish perhaps, but I still like her. I wonder 
if she has any relation to Grizelda of the now-defunct eVoice? I’m going to 
play with Chromevox some more, but I think Google really did a nice job with it 
and I told them so over in one of their discussion groups.
Jake




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 Hi everyone. I’m trying to install Chromevox but I think I’m a bit lost. The 
 Chromevox website at http://www.chromevox.com  says to activate the “Add to 
 Chrome” button, but I’m not finding that. Where might I be going astray here? 
  Here is where I went to try and get Chromevox.
 Jake
 
 https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
  
 
 
 

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Re: Google Chrome on the Mac

2014-03-19 Thread JAKE JOEHL
I actually like both, and don’t have a personal preference at this point. But 
then again maybe I will prefer one over the other  as time goes by. I’m going 
to install ChromeVox on my Mac using the instructions provided earlier, and see 
what I think of it. But I can tell you for certain that my sighted life-skills 
tutor prefers Chrome over Safari any day. I guess one thing that I find a bit 
interesting is that some links work just by hitting Enter, while for others 
Enter doesn’t work and I have to hit VO Spacebar. One example of this is when 
checking my work email and going through the Spam folder, Enter does not work 
for opening that folder but it does work otherwise. My work email account is a 
subdomain of Gmail. But perhaps that is just a VoiceOver thing, one which I 
haven’t quite gotten used to. This applies to both browsers.
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 Do you folks like Chrome better than Safari for the mac? I am having some 
 trouble with Safari on pages I use a lot, and am wondering about trying 
 Chrome.
 
 Kristeen
 
 On Mar 18, 2014, at 4:23 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net 
 wrote:
 
 I just installed Google Chrome on the MacBook Air.  Are there any tips and 
 tricks I should know about using it?  Any settings that would make it more 
 accessible?  I’ve already made it the default browser.
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Re: Virus Protection on Mac

2014-03-19 Thread Jake Joehl
Ditto for me. Apple's internal security solutions seem to be doing the trick 
for me at this point. But I will definitely check out Clamxav. I've actually 
heard of it but never used it.

Jake

- Original Message - 
From: chris Apple Boy christopher...@gmail.com

To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: Virus Protection on Mac


So am I. I tried one or two antivirus packages and just felt they weren't 
necessary at this time.

Regards Chris
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On 19 Mar 2014, at 18:44, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:


I am leaving it to apples security at this point.
On Mar 19, 2014, at 1:34 PM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com 
wrote:


Is anyone using virus protection on the Mac or just leaving it to 
Apple's security.- Original Message - From: isaac 
isaac.heb...@gmail.com

To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web



Have you also that about using the quick nav
feature? You can assign commands to quick nag to get to things faster 
such as links headings lists and check boxes and text fields.On Mar 19, 
2014, at 11:42 AM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:



Ah well I don't have a number pad so culd not do that last thing.
- Original Message - From: Chris Apple boy 
christopher...@gmail.com

To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web



Sounds good will try this cheers.

Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 19/03/2014 12:57, Travis Siegel wrote:
Ellen, it might be easier for you to navigate the pages if you 
activate

groups mode.  In groups mode, vo combines web features into a single
group, which get read all at once, so there's considerably less
keypressing needed tonavigate your documents.  I never use anything
else.  Most folks who don't use groups mode do so because they don't
like the fact that you need to interact with the groups if you wish 
to
click a link or navigate a table by rows/columns, but for me, this 
isn't
even a consideration, because I find it a whole lot easier to move 
along
until I find the piece I want, then interact, then go where I need 
to
go, especially if I'm just reading a book or something, then all I 
need

to do is press right arrow (I have the numpad commander turned on,
andhave vo functions assigned to the arrow keys) and each right 
arrow

press gets me the next chunk of text.  Simple and convinient.
hth.

On Mar 19, 2014, at 5:32 AM, Eleanor Burke wrote:


I am having problems accessing links, headings etc on the web in an
effecient manner.  Quick Nav is turned on and I have also checked 
that
navagating by single character is checked.  Now my problems are 
that
the only way I am able to navigate a page is by using the right 
arrow

so 10 presses of it will take me to the 10th link, that is if there
are no headings in between, in which case it will take me even
longer.  I can bring up the roter with vo and u and this tells me 
how
many links, headings etc there are but pressing enter once or twice 
on

any of these just gives me a beep.  Finally if I move on to another
web page and want to go back I do not know how to do this, so quick 
on

a Windows machine with a 2 key press and I am back.  Please help!
Thanks.

Eleanor
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Re: Radio Volume and VO Volume

2014-03-18 Thread JAKE JOEHL
If you’re talking about iTunes Radio, command-up arrow will increase the 
volume, and command-down arrow will decrease it. I’m not sure how to do this in 
any other apps as I haven’t tried them yet. Hth.
Jake
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 If I am listening to the radio and want to increase the volume, how do I do 
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Re: Google Chrome on the Mac

2014-03-18 Thread JAKE JOEHL
So if I’m using Chrome and just toggle VoiceOver off, will the other one start 
talking? Now you’ve peaked my interest, lol! I have been using Chrome on here 
along with Safari, and I actually like both. My life-skills tutor is the one 
who originally suggested I install Chrome on here. He is fully sighted and 
swears by it.
Jake
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On Mar 18, 2014, at 4:13 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:

 I use chrome vox when needed.  It is an extension that runs when your screen 
 reader si not needed but does not run in the address bar or the menu bar. it 
 makes the page easier to use.
 
 If not, then all voice over tricks and tips should still work in google 
 chrome. I also love chrome but for the university's sake i do not use it as 
 my default. it is pretty fast though and the team read the list I'm on to 
 discuss chrome and its various accessibility issues.
 
 Take care.
 On Mar 18, 2014, at 1:23 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net 
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 I just installed Google Chrome on the MacBook Air.  Are there any tips and 
 tricks I should know about using it?  Any settings that would make it more 
 accessible?  I’ve already made it the default browser.
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Fwd: Chrome Web Store - ChromeVox

2014-03-18 Thread JAKE JOEHL
Hi everyone. I’m trying to install Chromevox but I think I’m a bit lost. The 
Chromevox website at http://www.chromevox.com  says to activate the “Add to 
Chrome” button, but I’m not finding that. Where might I be going astray here?  
Here is where I went to try and get Chromevox.
Jake

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
 



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Re: VO not announcingfolders in mail

2014-03-16 Thread JAKE JOEHL
I am getting the “expanded” and collapsed” messages spoken by VoiceOver. But 
what I’m wondering is this. Is there a setting that will permanently expand the 
messages conversations? I’ve looked but can’t find anything to that effect.
Jake
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On Mar 16, 2014, at 5:55 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:

 Are you sure it is not saying expanded and collapsed? normally if it odes 
 that you know there are subfolders and stuff.
 
 Take care.
 On Mar 16, 2014, at 3:29 PM, Mark Furness flintma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Running Mavericks,
 as I go through my mail boxes it does not announce if there are sub boxes 
 within the boxes or folders.
 
 Fortunately, I know which ones do then I right arrow to open it up. 
 left arrow to close.
 
 How can I get this info each timeas not all mail boxes do this?
 
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Re: voice over speed hack for osx

2014-03-13 Thread JAKE JOEHL
I listened to your presentation too yesterday and you did a nice job. But still 
being the newbie to the Mac that I am, I think I’ll wait awhile before I do 
something like this if I even do it at all. I just don’t know that much 
programming in general on anything but DOS, and the last thing I’d want to do 
is go and break something. Especially on this new laptop! Thanks again though.
Jake
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On Mar 13, 2014, at 2:06 AM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes it would, and you have to edit files. I am not jail broken so can't help 
 in any way shape or form there. Sorry. I don't have a presentation and apple 
 vis took the one someone had written down as nuance found out about this and 
 said they will not endorse  such activities. 
 
 Take care.
 On Mar 12, 2014, at 10:12 PM, Geoff Waaler geoff.waa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Sarah,
 
 Excellent presentation and information as always, but I have the impression 
 that getting an altered prefs file to transfer to the desired location on an 
 IOS device would necessitate a JB?
 
 Best regards.
 Geoff
 
 - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com
 To: mac access list iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 9:06 PM
 Subject: Re: voice over speed hack for osx
 
 
 Here you  go.
 
 http://www.tffppodcast.com/how-to-change-voice-overs-rate-to-something-above-100-percent/
 
 
 On Mar 11, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Geoff Stephens geoffsli...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I would like to use Samantha at 130 percent.  I currently use it at 100 
 percent and it seems very slow.  Does anyone know how to find this hack 
 posted on twitter?
 
 On Mar 11, 2014, at 12:49 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hey, it's what ever floats our boat., I personally use samantha at 130 
 percent, yes, 130 percent, thanks to a hack someone posted on twitter and 
 I did a podcast on a very long time ago. She's very responsive for me.
 
 Tc all and have a very happy tuesday.
 On Mar 11, 2014, at 8:53 AM, JAKE JOEHL jajo...@att.net wrote:
 
 I was *really* looking forward to trying it out, but thanks for the heads 
 up. Personally I think Alex is good enough, along with the other voices 
 on my Mac.
 Jake
 JAKE JOEHL
 jajo...@att.net
 
 
 
 On Mar 10, 2014, at 10:08 PM, Christopher gilland 
 ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:
 
 That's exactly, Sarah, what I thought of when I read the readme.  You 
 read my mind!
 
 Hopefully, you all got my other message about the infected file.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com
 To: mac access list iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 10:25 PM
 Subject: Re: New Voice Synthesizer For OSX
 
 
 I read the directions and it looks way too complex for me to try. I did 
 have wine installed once, and on once.
 
 the catch is this, you need to have the server running. I wonder what 
 happens if you forget to switch voice and accidental close out the 
 server. Will it revert to what ever voice you had before switching to 
 read?
 
 take care.
 On Mar 10, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Christopher gilland 
 ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:
 
 Oh? my? god!  Eloquence? for the mac?  Pardon my language, but, you're 
 shitting me!
 
 Dane? if this works, you are gonna make my night? week, month, year, 
 decade, century, and millennium!
 
 Chris.
 
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 grtd...@internode.on.net
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 9:21 PM
 Subject: New Voice Synthesizer For OSX
 
 
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Re: New Voice Synthsiser For OSX

2014-03-11 Thread JAKE JOEHL
I was *really* looking forward to trying it out, but thanks for the heads up. 
Personally I think Alex is good enough, along with the other voices on my Mac.
Jake
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 That's exactly, Sarah, what I thought of when I read the readme.  You read my 
 mind!
 
 Hopefully, you all got my other message about the infected file.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com
 To: mac access list iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 10:25 PM
 Subject: Re: New Voice Synthesizer For OSX
 
 
 I read the directions and it looks way too complex for me to try. I did have 
 wine installed once, and on once.
 
 the catch is this, you need to have the server running. I wonder what 
 happens if you forget to switch voice and accidental close out the server. 
 Will it revert to what ever voice you had before switching to read?
 
 take care.
 On Mar 10, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Christopher gilland ch...@clgproductions.com 
 wrote:
 
 Oh? my? god!  Eloquence? for the mac?  Pardon my language, but, you're 
 shitting me!
 
 Dane? if this works, you are gonna make my night? week, month, year, 
 decade, century, and millennium!
 
 Chris.
 
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 grtd...@internode.on.net
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 9:21 PM
 Subject: New Voice Synthesizer For OSX
 
 
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Re: Renaming Alius Folder on Desktop

2014-03-11 Thread JAKE JOEHL
I am not trying to rename any folders  as   I 
don’t have any, but I want to make a slight correction. The Voiceover keys are 
actually Control and Option, not Command and Option.
JakeJAKE JOEHL
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On Mar 10, 2014, at 8:46 PM, Matthew Carello mcarell...@comcast.net wrote:

 I apologize. I forgot to add something. You hit voiceover keys which are the 
 command and options key and the shift key and down arrow. This will let you 
 interact with the text in case you want to modify what is there as opposed to 
 typing something completely new instead of what is there. 
 On Mar 10, 2014, at 8:12 PM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com 
 wrote:
 
 I found that on pressing Enter I could indeed edit the name of a file but I 
 am unsure what you are saying re VO keys and down arrow as I tried this too 
 but nothing seemed to happen.
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 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 11:29 PM
 Subject: Re: Renaming Alias Folder on Desktop
 
 
 You hit the enter key on the folder you want to rename. This also works for 
 files. at this point you can start typing and it will replace what is 
 there. If you want to just change it hit voiceover keys and down arrow to 
 interact with it and add or remove what you need to. Then hit enter and it 
 should be all good.
 On Mar 10, 2014, at 4:24 PM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi All, I have ended up with a folder on my desktop which has the word 
 Allis repeated twice so I would like to rename this folder, similarly I 
 have ended up with an Allis folder on the desktop called dropbox1 Allis so 
 I want to remove the 1 from the name.  Help excellent thank you.
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Re: Tweeting Blind

2014-03-11 Thread Jake Joehl

I want to get this book too. Jonathan seems to really do a nice job with
anything he does, although I do wish Mushroom FM was still on air. But oh
well, there are other cool radio stations to listen to including his own
Mosen Explosion. But back to Twitter, I have been registered I think since
the summer of 2009 with my personal account. I also help run the Twitter
account for my volunteer job, and that one's almost 3 years old. I haven't 
yet tried out any of the Mac apps,

but Easy Chirp works great on there. I tried accessing Facebook today on the
Mac, but gave up. I much prefer Twitter these days.
Jake


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Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:00 PM
Subject: Tweeting Blind



Hi!

I received my copy of the book Tweeting Blind today and I've already
read a little of the text.

The Author has done a good job at covering pretty much every aspect of
Twitter one could think of, even a whole section devoted to adding a
mobile phone number to your Twitter account and using your Smart Phone to
control how Twitter and your Twitter account behave.

I've been signed up with Twitter for 5 years and I'm still learning my way
around the social networking site.



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Re: Little Snitch for Mac

2014-03-02 Thread JAKE JOEHL
I have never used this app, but would like to as a question. I know this isn’t 
a Windows list, nor a Windows screen reader list. But wouldn’t the same thing 
be true for Windows screen readers? Are they in any way a security risk?
Jake
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On Mar 2, 2014, at 12:29 PM, Bryan Jones openses...@me.com wrote:

 The Developer has a legitimate concern. VO is a utility with fingers deep 
 into parts of the MacOS and thus must be considered a potential threat 
 vector. I’ve often wondered if Apple’s conservative approach to the 
 development of VO is due at least in part to security concerns.
 -Bryan
 
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 VoiceOver a security risk? That's the weirdest thing I've ever heard.
 
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Re: Initial impressions of 10.9.2

2014-02-26 Thread JAKE JOEHL
I upgraded too and am finding it to work very well. I just noticed something 
this morning that might in fact be another bug fix, not positive though. I have 
used Exact Contact for a couple years now. My brother forwarded me a message 
about this service awhile back. For those unfamiliar with it, it is an online 
contact management platform that is very accessible. Anyway, I needed to edit 
an appointment I had scheduled for tomorrow, and I noticed that some of the 
edit fields for date, time, etc., were read out a bit better. But I’m not sure 
if in fact this is a Voiceover enhancement, as I haven’t used my Mac for very 
long. But it’s awesome that Apple is actually listening to their Vo users.
Jake
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On Feb 25, 2014, at 7:37 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote:

 Hi All,
 
 I just installed 10.9.2, and am happy to say that it works well. VoiceOver 
 handles navigation in Finder and Mail as promised, and the actual upgrade was 
 seamless. iBOoks hasn’t yet been updated for the sighted folks either, so 
 needless to say is still not as accessible as it could be, but I trust that 
 will come in time, and am over all very pleased.
 
 Best,
 Zack.
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Re: Voiceover Not Starting Automatically on My Sister's MBA

2014-02-26 Thread Jake Joehl
Hi, just got this message now. I'm on my Windows PC doing some stuff. 
Anyway, VoiceOver is on during shut-down on her computer. I'm going home 
this weekend for something, and I am going to help my sister update her MBA 
to 10.9.2 , and will check on the log-in thing and other issues.

Jake

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From: Christopher gilland ch...@clgproductions.com

To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2014 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: Voiceover Not Starting Automatically on My Sister's MBA


Well, are you making sure when you shutdown, or reboot, either way, that
Voiceover is enabled when you do so?  If you don't have voiceover enabled
when you shutdown or restart, then it won't come up automatically when the
system comes back up.  Just being sure that you're aware of this.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
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To: mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2014 1:01 PM
Subject: Voiceover Not Starting Automatically on My Sister's MBA


Hi everybody. I spent the night at my parents’ house in part to help a
sister out with her Mac Book Air. Last night I updated her Mac to Os 10.9.1,
which seems to have gone smoothly. However, Voiceover will not start
automatically for her. I tried going into System Preferences and changing
some of the Accessibility settings, but still no dice. Command-F5 works like
it should though. Is there something else we should be looking for? She has
an 11-inch model. I’m assuming everything worked all right when the guy at
our local Apple store turned on Vo. Mine doesn’t seem to have this problem.
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Re: Article: Apple nearing release of OS X 10.9.2 with FaceTime Audio, call waiting, fix for SSL flaw [u]

2014-02-25 Thread JAKE JOEHL
It’s great to see them mentioning Voiceover! I don’t ever recall Microsoft 
doing that, but then again they don’t yet? have their own screen reader. Not 
trying to start a flame war or anything, I like both operating systems. But 
it’s just awesome that a mainstream company such as Apple actually paying some 
attention to Voiceover users.
Jake
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 Make of this what you will, perhaps there's something coming which will fix 
 many of the issues that people are having with Finder and Voiceover.
 
 http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/02/24/apple-nearing-release-of-os-x-1092-with-support-for-facetime-audio-fixes-for-mail-safari?utm_source=dlvr.itutm_medium=twitter
  
 
 
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Re: a way to download os 10.9.2 with out updating first?

2014-02-25 Thread JAKE JOEHL
I just downloaded and installed the 10.9.2 update. Everything seems to have 
gone as expected on my system. I’ve already noticed a slight Voiceover change 
in email, and it seems like the message count is now correct. Mine took awhile, 
but it worked great with Vo.
 This weekend when I’m at my parents’ house I’m going to help my sister update 
her MBA.
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 Doesn't look like it's been released yet on my system.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 25, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Already tried it. it says to go to the app store. which I do but it 
 downloads 10.9.1  which is on my system. I always download the updates 
 before updating  that way I can have a back up of the software.
 
 
 Take care.On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:13 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 LOL…
 What about downloading from Apple support site?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 25, 2014, at 5:11 PM, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net 
 wrote:
 
 What's the big rush, can't you wait a day or maybe two? Talk about 
 creating your own problems smile.
 
 
 On 26 Feb 2014, at 8:59 am, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello to all. I'm odd as I like to have the update before updating. I 
 tried option clicking the app store, then option clicking purchases, then 
 option clicking in this case mavericks,  then  option clicking download. 
 This did not work as  it says Im  still running os10.9.1 which is true, 
 but I want to dl 10.9.2 now before I even consider updating, just in case 
 something brakes.
 
 I used to be able to do with with lion but ever since ml I have not been 
 able to do this. Any advice on how to go about doing this? Google gives 
 me links to adobe flash player which has nothing to do with what im 
 trying to find and stuff on lion which I already know. 
 
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Emails Being Read Twice

2014-02-24 Thread JAKE JOEHL
Hi everybody. Just another curiosity from yours truly. A lot of my emails seem 
to read twice, especially the enewsletters to which I am subscribed. The first 
time they will be read out straight through, with no indication of links or 
anything. Then they will be read through with the link notifications, however I 
have them set. Is there any way to change this? I suppose it’s not a major 
issue when you think about it, but I would like to know.
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Re: 10.9 finder busy opening documents.

2014-02-23 Thread JAKE JOEHL
This has only happened to me a couple times thus far, and only in Safari. It 
seems that at least for me, the cause has always been big webpages with a lot 
of 
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 If you are in list view it will happen less, but this happens to me which 
 leads me to believe that apple is redrawing the screen or something. This has 
 been a known bug since about 10.8 at least for me.
 
 Take care.
 On Feb 21, 2014, at 10:09 PM, Sean Murphy smur7...@bigpond.net.au wrote:
 
 Hi all.
 
 
 How do you stop finder from going busy all the time? I am opening my 
 document folder and it goes to busy straight away. This is a brand new 
 machine with a fresh install. Only thing I have done is migrated my old 
 account across. Using 10.9 on a Mac Pro laptop 15 inch quad core with 16 gb 
 of memory.
 
 I cannot work with the way it is going.
 
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Re: Google Chrome

2014-02-21 Thread JAKE JOEHL
I am running Google Chrome on my Mac Book Air. It seems to work great, although 
I’ve never actually used it with Chromevox. I assume this is the latest build 
but I’m not positive. I use Chrome and Safari interchangeably and like both. 
They both work very well with Voiceover.
Jake
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 Hi!
 
 I know there are people here who have tried this as I've seen the threads in 
 the past but not taken all that much notice.
 
 So where are we at now with Google Chrome and its associated tools with OSX 
 Mavericks? I know a little about how Chrome and its tools work given that I 
 have a Samsung Chromebox but that's another story for another place and time.
 
 
 
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Apple Script with Voiceover?

2014-02-20 Thread JAKE JOEHL
Hello everybody. I noticed that in the Voiceover Utility under General, there 
is a checkbox which says “Allow Voiceover to Be Controlled with Apple Script.” 
What exactly is this and does it have any advantage? I have left this box 
unchecked both on my MBA and on my sister’s MBA, but will  we gain anything by 
ticking it? I know about screen reader scripts to better enhance accessibility 
in some programs, but I guess what I’m asking is what is the point of having a 
setting for this? Not trying to be picky or anything. I’ve thoroughly enjoyed 
getting acquainted with Voiceover. It is an awesome screen reader.

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Re: Nisus writer pro

2014-02-17 Thread JAKE JOEHL
Never tried out any of the Mac word processors  except for Text Edit and Pages, 
which I checked out in more detail today. They’re pretty good, but I guess I’ll 
know more when I start doing my weekly grocery lists on here.
Jake
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 I still use Nisus Writer Pro, for me its a question of layout more than 
 anything else now that Pages has come a long way in a short space of time, 
 try Nisus and you'll see what I mean.
 
 There there are times when Pages, Text Edit, iText Express etc won't read a 
 document correctly with Voiceover, load it into Nisus Pro and read to your 
 pleasure.
 
 
 On 16 Feb 2014, at 8:17 pm, Donal Fitzpatrick donal.fitzpatr...@icloud.com 
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 Folks,
 
 I note that the application named in the subject is on sale presently from 
 macupdate.  Just wondering whether, given the improvements in Pages, there 
 is anything Nisus does that pages doesn't?
 
 Thanks for any info,
 
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Duplicates in Apple Mail?

2014-02-17 Thread JAKE JOEHL
Hi everybody. Just curious why there are 2 of every folder but my inbox in the 
default mail client on the Mac. It is a great client and very accessible, but 
I’ve never seen these duplicates before. Only the first Sent, Trash, Junk and 
Drafts folders seem to contain messages when I do something with them.
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Voiceover Not Starting Automatically on My Sister's MBA

2014-02-15 Thread JAKE JOEHL
Hi everybody. I spent the night at my parents’ house in part to help a sister 
out with her Mac Book Air. Last night I updated her Mac to Os 10.9.1, which 
seems to have gone smoothly. However, Voiceover will not start automatically 
for her. I tried going into System Preferences and changing some of the 
Accessibility settings, but still no dice. Command-F5 works like it should 
though. Is there something else we should be looking for? She has an 11-inch 
model. I’m assuming everything worked all right when the guy at our local Apple 
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Intro and a Question about Notifications on the MBA

2014-02-13 Thread JAKE JOEHL
Hello everyone. My name is Jake and I just joined this list yesterday. I began 
receiving posts right after I received the document outlining list conduct, so 
I’m assuming it’s okay to post this now. Anyway, a sister and I both have Mac 
Book Airs and use Voiceover. Hers is an 11—inch which she got at the beginning 
of the month. I got mine 2 days after Christmas and it is a 13-inch model. 
Everything is for the most part working great thus far. I have more or less 
been designated my sister’s trainer at least until her One-To-One membership is 
activated. I’ve been curious though about some of the notifications, 
specifically the low-battery notification. Has anyone gotten it to work with 
Voiceover yet, and if so how did you go about this? I read on Apple Vis about 
the Low-Battery Monitor, but my current financial situation doesn’t allow me to 
purchase that. I did receive a Twitter notification a couple days ago while 
checking email, and the notification was spoken. But the Notification Center 
interface seems rather weird.

Jake
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