Re: can programs designed for lenox also be used on OS 10 Maverick

[Laurel and Stockard]

Hey man, no worries. :-D

Ok. I do know basically how Linux works, from other people. I've never used it 
myself. I've also never had the opportunity to take any formal programing 
classes, or had access to any computer programer training. I've mostly self 
taught, so I'm not as familiar with the correct programing terminology. I 
totally get what you mean by the term packaging now. :-) But like I said, I'm 
not as familiar with the technical correct programing jargon, I just know what 
I've taught myself. If you could ever help me find a good learning resource for 
this kind of thing, I'd love it! I love doing stuff like this, and would relish 
the chance to have good learning resources. lol Most of my learning has just 
been trial and error. Thank God I'm a quick learner is all I can say. :-)
I figure, I might figure this all out sooner or later, but you're darn right, I 
have a long, long, ways to go. :-)

So, I suppose, if I want to learn more in depth about Linux, and working with 
programs on my mavericks system that were originally meant for Linux, other 
than the mac port website that you sent the link to, where are some really good 
resources that I can start with. Like I said, I'd love any good resources that 
could help me better learn this. :-D

Thanks for helping me out, I appreciate it lots! I'm just starting out with all 
this, compared to the rest of you who are great with this stuff in my opinion, 
specially you Chris /grins/ Hopefully I'll be as good as you guys are with this 
stuff someday.
Chris, feel free to email me off list if you want. :-)
Laurel
On Dec 10, 2013, at 7:55 PM, Christopher gilland  
wrote:

> Laurel, if it's a TTS, don't even attempt.  the libraries are of such on OSX, 
> that this isn't gonna work, and even if it did, you'd not be able to get it 
> working with voiceover.  It has to do with how Apple has designed the over 
> all Voiceover accessibility hooks and framework.
> 
> I understand you don't have a physical package.  Linux often times calls 
> applications packages.  Would I be correct in assuming that you either have 
> never heard of Linux, or have hardly any knowledge in that field?  I don't 
> mean this to sound rude, and if it comes across as such, please know that is 
> not my intention.  furthermore, this isn't to blow you off, as I still do 
> want to help you, and I promise that I will continue on or off list to help 
> you, but, it sounds to me like what needs to happen here is you need to read 
> up a lot more on linux and how it works before trying to tackle a task like 
> this.  Linux is a very powerful OS, and if you don't know what you're doing, 
> it can be a bit tricky to understand.  I just hate seeing you struggle with 
> this, and wonder if you're getting slightly in over your head with it.  the 
> fact you didn't know what I meant when I used the term package indicates to 
> me that you may not have the most in depth knowledge with Linux systems. 
> that's
  ok.  there isn't a single thing wrong with that, nor is this in any form or 
shape a public way of me belittling you.  Trust me, that is definitely not my 
entention, and I earnestly hope that it is not taken that way.  If it is, 
please please please please please! accept my most profuse apology in advance.  
I just feel based on the emails that you have sent so far regarding this topic 
that it's gonna be way harder than you think to get this working, and probably 
will even be impossible, but on that note, I'll let others maybe with more 
knowledge than I comment.
> 
> Again, this is not in any respect meant to down your level of knowledge, I 
> just think you're personally gonna get very very frustrated more quickly with 
> this than you will have success.  I could be wrong though.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Laurel and Stockard" 
> 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 8:41 PM
> Subject: Re: can programs designed for lenox also be used on OS 10 Maverick
> 
> 
>> I actually don't have a physical package for this, it's an open source text 
>> to speech engine that I downloaded for free. The files are mostly in the 
>> unix executable file type. It's possible that I could open these with 
>> terminal, would you recommend I try that?
>> I figure if I screw up, I can just take this off my computer and start over 
>> again. :-)
>> Laurel
>> On Dec 10, 2013, at 7:36 PM, Christopher gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Your best bet is to look at the packages documentation.
>>> 
>>> If you've gotten it installed, out of pure chance, you can look at the man 
>>> pag

iTunes randomly opening on my mac

[Laurel and Stockard]

HI guys,
I'm running OS 10 Mavericks on my mac, and lately, I've noticed that iTunes 
will open just randomly. Like without me pressing any keys, or doing anything 
to open it. Sometimes, music will start playing without me even doing anything 
to open it, and sometimes not. Has anybody else experienced this, I just find 
it odd.
Laurel
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Re: iTunes randomly opening on my mac

[Laurel and Stockard]

Hmmm, yeah, in fact I'm using the pair that came with my iPhone. I never even 
thought of this, so an interesting point indeed. I'll try a different pair out 
and see what happens.
Thanks for that,
Laurel
On Dec 16, 2013, at 2:48 PM, Zachary Kline  wrote:

> Hi,
> THis is an odd question, but are you using the earphones which came with your 
> iPhone, or another set which has a button to control playing music and such?
> I ask because if your headset is failing, you can occasionally trigger random 
> presses of the play button like this. I'd recommend switching headsets if 
> this is the case.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On 12/16/2013 12:45 PM, Laurel and Stockard wrote:
>> HI guys,
>> I'm running OS 10 Mavericks on my mac, and lately, I've noticed that iTunes 
>> will open just randomly. Like without me pressing any keys, or doing 
>> anything to open it. Sometimes, music will start playing without me even 
>> doing anything to open it, and sometimes not. Has anybody else experienced 
>> this, I just find it odd.
>> Laurel
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making Facebook accessible on the mac

[Laurel and Stockard]

Hi all,
What's the best way to make facebook accessible on the mac using voiceover? I 
mean, I can navigate ok, but really, it's not as accessible as I would like it 
to be. I know it has been discussed here a long time ago, but just real quick, 
anybody have any suggestions as far as anything I can do in the settings or 
anything that would make facebook more mac accessible friendly? I in particular 
want tips for using messenger on facebook, and making that more accessible. I 
tried using it the other day for something, and found it quite a pain to mess 
with. Any good mac apps or anything that could help?
Thanks
Laurel
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Re: making Facebook accessible on the mac

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Just set it up, thanks guys! I really appreciate it!
Laurel
On Dec 16, 2013, at 3:31 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:

> Yes, you are able to use Skype to talk to your Facebook friends. I have done 
> this myself…
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 16, 2013, at 4:29 PM, Caitlyn and Maggie  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I used to use something called menu tab for Facebook.
>> 
>> I honestly don’t know how the latest versions are doing, though.
>> 
>> I personally have never used facebook messenger.
>> I *think* you can use Skype for your Facebook friends and contacts and chat 
>> with people on facebook that way and it’s easier.
>> 
>> Other then that, I use the mobile site if I have to use facebook from my 
>> mac.  My preference is to use facebook from my i devices because I think 
>> it’s easier to deal with.
>> 
>> I don’t think this is a vo issue, though, rather an issue with facebook 
>> accessability itself.  they are constantly changing the interface over 
>> there, etc.
>> Caitlyn
>> 
>>> On Dec 16, 2013, at 4:06 PM, Laurel and Stockard 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> What's the best way to make facebook accessible on the mac using voiceover? 
>>> I mean, I can navigate ok, but really, it's not as accessible as I would 
>>> like it to be. I know it has been discussed here a long time ago, but just 
>>> real quick, anybody have any suggestions as far as anything I can do in the 
>>> settings or anything that would make facebook more mac accessible friendly? 
>>> I in particular want tips for using messenger on facebook, and making that 
>>> more accessible. I tried using it the other day for something, and found it 
>>> quite a pain to mess with. Any good mac apps or anything that could help?
>>> Thanks
>>> Laurel
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Re: making Facebook accessible on the mac

[Laurel and Stockard]

Hi Sarah, I'd love email instructions for this. If you feel like sending them 
privately, you can, my email is laurel.stock...@gmail.com or you can respond on 
list, whatever you'd rather do. I'd find this rather helpful I think. By the 
way, I connected facebook to skype and am also finding that tremendously 
helpful. :-)
Laurel
On Dec 16, 2013, at 4:27 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

> If you want to make the FB mobile site easier to use you will need to 
> activate the developer menu in safari. This is not as bad as it seems. I will 
> email instructions later if you want as right now I feel like I've been 
> kicked by a mule. lol!
> 
> Basically you will do that and choose your agent to be firefox 11 for 
> windows. This will make the page radically different and easy to use.
> 
> Tc all and be blessed.
> On Dec 16, 2013, at 1:41 PM, Laurel and Stockard  
> wrote:
> 
>> Just set it up, thanks guys! I really appreciate it!
>> Laurel
>> On Dec 16, 2013, at 3:31 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes, you are able to use Skype to talk to your Facebook friends. I have 
>>> done this myself…
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 16, 2013, at 4:29 PM, Caitlyn and Maggie 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I used to use something called menu tab for Facebook.
>>>> 
>>>> I honestly don’t know how the latest versions are doing, though.
>>>> 
>>>> I personally have never used facebook messenger.
>>>> I *think* you can use Skype for your Facebook friends and contacts and 
>>>> chat with people on facebook that way and it’s easier.
>>>> 
>>>> Other then that, I use the mobile site if I have to use facebook from my 
>>>> mac.  My preference is to use facebook from my i devices because I think 
>>>> it’s easier to deal with.
>>>> 
>>>> I don’t think this is a vo issue, though, rather an issue with facebook 
>>>> accessability itself.  they are constantly changing the interface over 
>>>> there, etc.
>>>> Caitlyn
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 16, 2013, at 4:06 PM, Laurel and Stockard 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> What's the best way to make facebook accessible on the mac using 
>>>>> voiceover? I mean, I can navigate ok, but really, it's not as accessible 
>>>>> as I would like it to be. I know it has been discussed here a long time 
>>>>> ago, but just real quick, anybody have any suggestions as far as anything 
>>>>> I can do in the settings or anything that would make facebook more mac 
>>>>> accessible friendly? I in particular want tips for using messenger on 
>>>>> facebook, and making that more accessible. I tried using it the other day 
>>>>> for something, and found it quite a pain to mess with. Any good mac apps 
>>>>> or anything that could help?
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Laurel
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Skype on the mac, question

[Laurel and Stockard]

Hey guys,
I use skype a lot and have a question. I know for sighted people, there's a way 
to make each skype chat conversation open in a new window. Is there a way to do 
this with voiceover, so I can just tab, or command tab, my way through may chat 
windows with skype? I think it would be easier if there were a way to have a 
new window for each of my chats, rather than using the side bar, because 
sometimes I've got like 5 or 6 separate conversations going and it can be hard 
to keep up with them all.
Thanks
Laurel
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Re: Skype on the mac, question

[Laurel and Stockard]

h, I did that and it only described my current window. When I turn keyboard 
help on and hit control option f2 twice quickly, it just says that it describes 
the current window. Am I doing it wrong? Or is it meant just to describe the 
window open. Sorry, I'm just a little confused.
Laurel
On Dec 18, 2013, at 3:47 PM, Dane Trethowan  wrote:

> Each new chat or call by default opens in its own window.
> 
> You can use the Window Chooser of Voiceover to move through these windows, 
> the Window Chooser is activated by pressing Ctrl-Option-F2 twice then use the 
> cursor keys to move through the open Windows of Skype, when you find the one 
> you want press the return key.
> 
> Note that Voiceover will tell you which is the current window etc.
> 
> 
> On 19 Dec 2013, at 8:43 am, Laurel and Stockard  
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> 
>> Hey guys,
>> I use skype a lot and have a question. I know for sighted people, there's a 
>> way to make each skype chat conversation open in a new window. Is there a 
>> way to do this with voiceover, so I can just tab, or command tab, my way 
>> through may chat windows with skype? I think it would be easier if there 
>> were a way to have a new window for each of my chats, rather than using the 
>> side bar, because sometimes I've got like 5 or 6 separate conversations 
>> going and it can be hard to keep up with them all.
>> Thanks
>> Laurel
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The email app on my Mac possibly going rogue

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First of all, I have to apologize to the list. Earlier, I tried to respond to 
somebody's message using the email app on my Mac. Apparently, my message got 
sent from my alternate, non-list, email. I did not realize this at all. So, 
sorry to the list owners. Now, for my problem. I went to compose A few emails 
earlier, and it showed in the "from" field that the message was from my 
Laurel.Stockard email address. Apparently though, even though that's what it 
showed me in the from field, my message got sent from an outside email address, 
my alternate one, which I do not use for list or personal use. Why could this 
be happening? And what can I do to make sure that the mail app on my computer 
shows me the correct email address in the from field. I don't want to get the 
two confused like this again. It really confused me when it sent the message 
from a different email other than my Laurel.Stockert email which showed in the 
from field. Any help or suggestions on this would be greatly a
 ppreciated.
Thanks


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Re: I've made a start with GarageBand but am now stuck again

[Laurel and Stockard]

Hi all, hopefully this reply will send and my email is now working. Phill, are 
these directions for the previous, non mavericks, version of garage band? I 
didn't have garage band before mavericks, and only was able to get it after 
getting mavericks. I can't seem to get the instrument list popped up and 
changed with the mavericks version of garage band, and I can't seem to get back 
to musical typing. Darn, Andy, if you've got the previous version of garage 
band, than you're lucky. Don't update y'all.
Is there a way for me to get the previous, apparently more accessible, version? 
I'm so incredibly frustrated with the one I have, and I'm wondering if apple is 
ever gonna work to make it better. /frown face/
Laurel
On Dec 23, 2013, at 10:11 AM, Andy Collins  wrote:

> I just can't find how to get back to that option -
> 
> Andy
> On 23 Dec 2013, at 15:55, Josh Gregory  wrote:
> 
>> You're on the right track, when it asks you to download stuff, you will be 
>> taken to the App Store.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 23, 2013, at 10:46 AM, Andy Collins  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Phil -
>>> 
>>> Thanks for trying to help. I'm still struggling here! I find that Command I 
>>> just hides info, it doesn't bring up the instruments table.
>>> 
>>> There are so many areas etc to interact with, that I'm afraid I can't quite 
>>> tell you where I found this, but somewhere I was asked if I wanted to 
>>> download the entire list of instruments. I said yes to this, but got thrown 
>>> out of the app, and couldn't find my way back to that option. What it does 
>>> suggest is that instruments, other than the piano, may not actually be 
>>> installed. Would that be right in your experience? -
>>> 
>>> Andy
 On 23 Dec 2013, at 02:13, Phil Halton  wrote:
 
 I have found that the R key for recording does not work reliably  when the 
 musical keyboard is active. you'll have to click the record button instead 
 of use the letter R  shortcut when using the musical keyboard (command 
 shift k).
 
 As to selecting other instruments, that is done in the track info pane. 
 you get there  by pressing command I, then interacting with the info pane 
 that appears. . you then browse the instruments list and whatever 
 instrument you are currently on will play as you press the qwerty keys 
 with musical typing turned on.
 I assume you are working with only 1  track at this point. When you start 
 adding tracks, you use the arrow keys (up and down) to select the track 
 you want to play. But, the tracks are not named or announced, , so you 
 have to either figure out what track you're on by the instrument that 
 plays, or by memorizing their position in the track area.
 
 When you finally get to the point where you're selecting and editing audio 
  track regions, it will be important to set the mouse to   track the VO 
 cursor as you will need to mouse click at the various regions in order to 
 select them four editting, cutting, pasting, joining, etc. you can't route 
 the mouse to VO as needed, because doing so causes GB to crash. But having 
 the mouse track VO causes no problems and you can click the regions as 
 needed.
 
 A word about track types. When you select "piano" as the track type, GB is 
 creating a standard software instrument track and setting it to "piano". 
 you can change the instrument type as I detailed above. the other type of 
 track is a "real" track, which simply means an audio track. For real 
 tracks, you can set the input to whatever equipment you have eternal 
 microphones, internal microphone, guitar inputs etc - it all depends on 
 what equipment you have.
 Personally, I use a Roland QuadCapture audio interface which allows me to 
 plug in two XLR type microphones, or a Hi-Z instrument.
 
 
> On Dec 22, 2013, at 3:18 PM, Andy Collins  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all -
> 
> Ok, I can get the grand piano to play by doing the following:
> 
> Open GB.
> 
> Select new project.
> 
> VO arrow right once to project templates, interact and choose grand piano.
> 
> Stop interacting and VO right arrow across to the choose button, and 
> click it.
> 
> This brings up the new project from templates screen with the option to 
> save the project settings just chosen.
> 
> I click the create button, and can then turn on the music typing with CMD 
> shift K.
> 
> I can now play the piano using the home row and the qwerty rows of keys 
> on my keyboard. So far, I am unable to record anything, pressing the 
> letter r may or may not work, as I can't find how to play back, I don't 
> know.
> 
> The other thing is that I can't seem to choose any other instruments 
> other than the piano, when I do, and try to play, using the qwerty keys, 
> there is no sound!
> Any

looking for resource on developing an iPhone app using Xcode with voiceover

[Laurel and Stockard]

HI all,
So, I've just download apple's xcode, and I'm teaching myself how to build 
iPhone apps, starting with simple ones like a to do list etc. I figure if 
elementary age kids can do it, so can I. I'm finding apple's resources out 
there helpful, but I'm wondering if anybody has any resources on using xcode to 
develop apps specifically for voiceover users. I know there are plenty of blind 
app developers out there, so there probably is some kind of resource out there. 
If there's not, than somebody should make one. :-)
Anyways, any resources, tips, or tricks that you guys know of would be really 
helpful!
Laurel and Stockard
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Hi guys, so, I found a tutorial on starting out with Xcode by Apple. It starts 
by having you create a simple to do list app. I've made it as far as the 
"create storyboard" heading section, but now I'm stuck. Could somebody who is 
good at Xcode/with voiceover take a look at this and help me get unstuck? So 
far I've been able to make everything work well with voiceover. Here is the 
link 
https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/referencelibrary/GettingStarted/RoadMapiOS/FirstTutorial.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40011343-CH3-SW1

So, if somebody could give me some voiceover tutorials for creating storyboards 
and working with that and the next sections of the tutorial, I'd appreciate it. 
I'd also appreciate knowing what you guys think of this tutorial as a whole, 
helpful, or not.
Thanks
Laurel
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Re: Apple's Xcode tutorial

[Laurel and Stockard]

Thanks, I applied to join the group. I appreciate this. I know there's gotta be 
a work around, just not sure what it is yet.
Laurel
On Jan 8, 2014, at 7:43 PM, Geoff Waaler  wrote:

> Hi Laurel and others,
> 
> In my experience, the silence was deafening when posting such questions here. 
>  Once I received a private reply suggesting that I join the MV-DEV group.  
> Until recently, that sadly was a dead list, and I assumed that StoryBoards 
> and InterfaceBuilder were pretty much unusable with VO. Recently, the MV-DEV 
> list has come back to life, and apparently there are blind developers who are 
> successfully exploiting these xCode features.  I have a lot to learn before I 
> get out of lurking mode over there, but the one time I tried the tutorial I 
> was totally lost and became discouraged before discovering a work-around.
> 
> Anyway, the link for the MV-DEV list is:
> 
> http://groups.google.com/group/mv-dev
> 
> From recent activity, I would think you'll have much better luck if you 
> repost over there, and I will definitely follow the thread!!
> 
> Best regards.
> Geoff
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Laurel and Stockard" 
> 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 8:53 PM
> Subject: Apple's Xcode tutorial
> 
> 
>> Hi guys, so, I found a tutorial on starting out with Xcode by Apple. It 
>> starts by having you create a simple to do list app. I've made it as far as 
>> the "create storyboard" heading section, but now I'm stuck. Could somebody 
>> who is good at Xcode/with voiceover take a look at this and help me get 
>> unstuck? So far I've been able to make everything work well with voiceover. 
>> Here is the link 
>> https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/referencelibrary/GettingStarted/RoadMapiOS/FirstTutorial.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40011343-CH3-SW1
>> 
>> So, if somebody could give me some voiceover tutorials for creating 
>> storyboards and working with that and the next sections of the tutorial, I'd 
>> appreciate it. I'd also appreciate knowing what you guys think of this 
>> tutorial as a whole, helpful, or not.
>> Thanks
>> Laurel
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Hey guys,
It's been a while since I've used Adium messenger for the mac, but I've started 
using it again. So, question. When somebody sends me a message, I can't seem to 
figure out where the message is for me to view, unless I click on my contacts 
name to see if it came from them or not. When it makes the sound to announce 
the incoming message, what voiceover command can I use to actually find and 
view the message? Thanks
Laurel
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Re: adium

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I've tried for example command plus the number 1, and it won't do anything. I 
know that once I find the conversation, it's in the html content, but finding 
it is driving me crazy.
Laurel
On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:31 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:

> You can press the command key and any of the number keys on the keyboard to 
> go to that conversation. The message is in the HTML content.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 1:20 PM, Laurel and Stockard  
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>> Hey guys,
>> It's been a while since I've used Adium messenger for the mac, but I've 
>> started using it again. So, question. When somebody sends me a message, I 
>> can't seem to figure out where the message is for me to view, unless I click 
>> on my contacts name to see if it came from them or not. When it makes the 
>> sound to announce the incoming message, what voiceover command can I use to 
>> actually find and view the message? Thanks
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Re: adium

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Ok, I've noticed that adium periodically announces that there is a new window, 
but I can't figure out how to toggle to the new window, or how to go back to my 
contacts without closing a chat. I'm using the latest version. It appears that 
I need a simple tutorial on this, any good ones out there? I've only found ones 
from years ago.
Laurel
On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:34 PM, Laurel and Stockard  
wrote:

> I've tried for example command plus the number 1, and it won't do anything. I 
> know that once I find the conversation, it's in the html content, but finding 
> it is driving me crazy.
> Laurel
> On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:31 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
> 
>> You can press the command key and any of the number keys on the keyboard to 
>> go to that conversation. The message is in the HTML content.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 1:20 PM, Laurel and Stockard 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey guys,
>>> It's been a while since I've used Adium messenger for the mac, but I've 
>>> started using it again. So, question. When somebody sends me a message, I 
>>> can't seem to figure out where the message is for me to view, unless I 
>>> click on my contacts name to see if it came from them or not. When it makes 
>>> the sound to announce the incoming message, what voiceover command can I 
>>> use to actually find and view the message? Thanks
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Re: adium

[Laurel and Stockard]

Yeah, no joke, I can't seem to figure it out, it used to work fine for me a 
year ago when I used it
Laurel
On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:37 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:

> That's weird… When you are  in adium you should be able to do the command 
> thing and it should work.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 1:34 PM, Laurel and Stockard  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I've tried for example command plus the number 1, and it won't do anything. 
>> I know that once I find the conversation, it's in the html content, but 
>> finding it is driving me crazy.
>> Laurel
>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:31 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You can press the command key and any of the number keys on the keyboard to 
>>> go to that conversation. The message is in the HTML content.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 1:20 PM, Laurel and Stockard 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hey guys,
>>>> It's been a while since I've used Adium messenger for the mac, but I've 
>>>> started using it again. So, question. When somebody sends me a message, I 
>>>> can't seem to figure out where the message is for me to view, unless I 
>>>> click on my contacts name to see if it came from them or not. When it 
>>>> makes the sound to announce the incoming message, what voiceover command 
>>>> can I use to actually find and view the message? Thanks
>>>> Laurel
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Re: adium

[Laurel and Stockard]

Yeah, but you know what, I think your suggestion about command plus accent and 
then command plus / is just what I was looking for. Somebody aught to create a 
voiceover short cut key guide for this, that would be helpful. :-)
Laurel
On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:56 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:

> You can press the command plus slash key to go to your contacts, and command 
> plus the accent key to go through your windows.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 1:37 PM, Laurel and Stockard  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Ok, I've noticed that adium periodically announces that there is a new 
>> window, but I can't figure out how to toggle to the new window, or how to go 
>> back to my contacts without closing a chat. I'm using the latest version. It 
>> appears that I need a simple tutorial on this, any good ones out there? I've 
>> only found ones from years ago.
>> Laurel
>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:34 PM, Laurel and Stockard 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've tried for example command plus the number 1, and it won't do anything. 
>>> I know that once I find the conversation, it's in the html content, but 
>>> finding it is driving me crazy.
>>> Laurel
>>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:31 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> You can press the command key and any of the number keys on the keyboard 
>>>> to go to that conversation. The message is in the HTML content.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 1:20 PM, Laurel and Stockard 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>> It's been a while since I've used Adium messenger for the mac, but I've 
>>>>> started using it again. So, question. When somebody sends me a message, I 
>>>>> can't seem to figure out where the message is for me to view, unless I 
>>>>> click on my contacts name to see if it came from them or not. When it 
>>>>> makes the sound to announce the incoming message, what voiceover command 
>>>>> can I use to actually find and view the message? Thanks
>>>>> Laurel
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Re: adium

[Laurel and Stockard]

Thanks man, and I'm serious. If one of you who is better versed in Adium than I 
could compile a list of voiceover key commands, I and I'm sure others would 
find it extremely helpful.
Laurel
On Jan 22, 2014, at 1:35 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:

> LOL glad to help.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 2:02 PM, Laurel and Stockard  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah, but you know what, I think your suggestion about command plus accent 
>> and then command plus / is just what I was looking for. Somebody aught to 
>> create a voiceover short cut key guide for this, that would be helpful. :-)
>> Laurel
>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:56 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You can press the command plus slash key to go to your contacts, and 
>>> command plus the accent key to go through your windows.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 1:37 PM, Laurel and Stockard 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Ok, I've noticed that adium periodically announces that there is a new 
>>>> window, but I can't figure out how to toggle to the new window, or how to 
>>>> go back to my contacts without closing a chat. I'm using the latest 
>>>> version. It appears that I need a simple tutorial on this, any good ones 
>>>> out there? I've only found ones from years ago.
>>>> Laurel
>>>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:34 PM, Laurel and Stockard 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've tried for example command plus the number 1, and it won't do 
>>>>> anything. I know that once I find the conversation, it's in the html 
>>>>> content, but finding it is driving me crazy.
>>>>> Laurel
>>>>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:31 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You can press the command key and any of the number keys on the keyboard 
>>>>>> to go to that conversation. The message is in the HTML content.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 1:20 PM, Laurel and Stockard 
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>>>> It's been a while since I've used Adium messenger for the mac, but I've 
>>>>>>> started using it again. So, question. When somebody sends me a message, 
>>>>>>> I can't seem to figure out where the message is for me to view, unless 
>>>>>>> I click on my contacts name to see if it came from them or not. When it 
>>>>>>> makes the sound to announce the incoming message, what voiceover 
>>>>>>> command can I use to actually find and view the message? Thanks
>>>>>>> Laurel
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Re: adium

[Laurel and Stockard]

I think I've got it figured out. Yeah Chris, I sort of figured that was the 
deal with the constant new windows, I've finally got it where I can move 
through my converstations using command plus the accent key, like Josh 
suggested and it's working ok. I think it just took a little getting used to. 
:-)
Thanks for the help guys,
Laurel
On Jan 22, 2014, at 4:37 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:

> It might also be a visual thing too, I'm blind so I've never understood that 
> sort of thing but yeah.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 5:34 PM, "Christopher gilland" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The thing with it saying it has a new window is sort of, ish, a bug.  I say 
>> sort of, because what's happening is, in your main contact window, I have 
>> never quite understood why this occurs, but whenever someone either changes 
>> status, or signs off, for some reason, Voiceover sees that as a new window 
>> popping up when your contact list refreshes to reflect the new status.  I 
>> agree that it's kind of bizarre, but there actually isn't another window 
>> popping up.  I can see though where this really would be confusing.  I know 
>> at first for me it sure was.  I was like... OK, where on earth's that other 
>> window, for goodness sake!
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Laurel and Stockard" 
>> 
>> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 1:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: adium
>> 
>> 
>>> Ok, I've noticed that adium periodically announces that there is a new 
>>> window, but I can't figure out how to toggle to the new window, or how to 
>>> go back to my contacts without closing a chat. I'm using the latest 
>>> version. It appears that I need a simple tutorial on this, any good ones 
>>> out there? I've only found ones from years ago.
>>> Laurel
>>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:34 PM, Laurel and Stockard 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I've tried for example command plus the number 1, and it won't do 
>>>> anything. I know that once I find the conversation, it's in the html 
>>>> content, but finding it is driving me crazy.
>>>> Laurel
>>>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:31 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> You can press the command key and any of the number keys on the keyboard 
>>>>> to go to that conversation. The message is in the HTML content.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 1:20 PM, Laurel and Stockard 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>>> It's been a while since I've used Adium messenger for the mac, but I've 
>>>>>> started using it again. So, question. When somebody sends me a message, 
>>>>>> I can't seem to figure out where the message is for me to view, unless I 
>>>>>> click on my contacts name to see if it came from them or not. When it 
>>>>>> makes the sound to announce the incoming message, what voiceover command 
>>>>>> can I use to actually find and view the message? Thanks
>>>>>> Laurel
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language roter on the mac

[Laurel and Stockard]

Hi guys,
So, I work with 4 or 5 different languages everyday, and I'm a huge fan of the 
language roter on the iPhone/iPad. It's really helpful to do one simple gesture 
and change the voiceover language. Is there a language roter on the mac that I 
can use? I do know how to do the command option control with the arrow keys to 
change the speech attributes but this is kind of slow sometimes. I just 
wondered if there was a simpler way, or if I could custom make something 
simpler.
Thanks
Laurel
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Re: language roter on the mac

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Hi Sarah, I do use the track pad commander to change roter options like 
navigating by word, paragraph etc, is there a way to customize this to add a 
language option?
Laurel
On Feb 9, 2014, at 5:07 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

> Try using the track pad commander on the mac. 
> 
> You can access it with a turn of the rotor clockwise  whilst holding down the 
> vo keys. . to turn it off reverse the jester.
> 
> The track pad commander will work similarly on the mac as it does with ios 
> with  some additional jesters.
> 
> Take care. 
> On Feb 9, 2014, at 2:56 PM, Laurel and Stockard  
> wrote:
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>> Hi guys,
>> So, I work with 4 or 5 different languages everyday, and I'm a huge fan of 
>> the language roter on the iPhone/iPad. It's really helpful to do one simple 
>> gesture and change the voiceover language. Is there a language roter on the 
>> mac that I can use? I do know how to do the command option control with the 
>> arrow keys to change the speech attributes but this is kind of slow 
>> sometimes. I just wondered if there was a simpler way, or if I could custom 
>> make something simpler.
>> Thanks
>> Laurel
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Re: language roter on the mac

[Laurel and Stockard]

ok. Apple definitely needs to add this, so that we can use language in the 
roter just like on the iPhone etc. Is there a way to send these new suggestions 
to Apple folks?
Laurel
On Feb 9, 2014, at 6:12 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:

> Not Sarah, but not that I know of.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 6:28 PM, Laurel and Stockard  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Sarah, I do use the track pad commander to change roter options like 
>> navigating by word, paragraph etc, is there a way to customize this to add a 
>> language option?
>> Laurel
>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 5:07 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Try using the track pad commander on the mac. 
>>> 
>>> You can access it with a turn of the rotor clockwise  whilst holding down 
>>> the vo keys. . to turn it off reverse the jester.
>>> 
>>> The track pad commander will work similarly on the mac as it does with ios 
>>> with  some additional jesters.
>>> 
>>> Take care. 
>>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 2:56 PM, Laurel and Stockard 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi guys,
>>>> So, I work with 4 or 5 different languages everyday, and I'm a huge fan of 
>>>> the language roter on the iPhone/iPad. It's really helpful to do one 
>>>> simple gesture and change the voiceover language. Is there a language 
>>>> roter on the mac that I can use? I do know how to do the command option 
>>>> control with the arrow keys to change the speech attributes but this is 
>>>> kind of slow sometimes. I just wondered if there was a simpler way, or if 
>>>> I could custom make something simpler.
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Laurel
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Re: iMessage

[Laurel and Stockard]

To piggy back off your question, could somebody tell me how to use the mac to 
iMessage? I know it's possible, I'm just not sure how to set it up.
Laurel
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> Hi!
> 
> I've been using iMessage lately and its a sure improvement on the standard 
> SMS so I'm wondering if someone can give me more detail on how the system 
> works, does iMessage actually send text through the standard SMS services in 
> text chunks or what.
> 
> I'm using iMessage on my IOS devices so just how easy is it to use on a Mac 
> using OSX?
> 
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searching for groups on Facebook, voiceover on the mac

[Laurel and Stockard]

Hi all,
I'm having trouble searching facebook, specifically searching for groups to 
join, using Voiceover in Safari on the mac. Does anybody have any tips for how 
to use this function? Also, where can the archives for this list be found and 
searched? I believe there are a few other pieces of information I could use to 
better configure Facebook with Safari, but I'm pretty sure those questions have 
been asked here before so rather than ask again, I wanna search the archives to 
find what I'm looking for.
Thanks
Laurel
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Re: searching for groups on Facebook, voiceover on the mac

[Laurel and Stockard]

Thank you so much, I found this incredibly helpful! I wasn't even aware that 
there was this version of the website that was usable on the mac. This is 
great, and thanks for pointing out where to find the list archives as well, I 
suppose I just never looked at the bottom of my emails, dumb me. lol /grins/
I appreciate the help, this version of the site should make several things 
easier for me now.
Laurel
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> Hello Laurel,
> 
> I’ll attempt to answer your 2 questions in reverse.
> Regarding the list archives, there should be a few links at the bottom of 
> each email you receive from the Mac-Access list. Two of those links point to 
> the archives. I’ve pasted the text including those links below my signature 
> in case you are not finding them at the bottom of your standard list emails.
> Regarding searching FB using VO & Safari on the Mac, try the following:
> 1. Go to the basic version of the FB search page at m.facebook.com/search
> 2. Navigate to the text field labeled “Search.” In my web rotor, this is the 
> only text field listed on this page.
> 3. Type in the term you want to search for and then press Return.
> 4. Press VO+Right Arrow a few times. VO hopefully announces buttons for 
> People, Pages, Events and Groups.
> 5. Press VO+Spacebar on the button labeled “Groups.” This should narrow the 
> list of search results to Groups. 
> 6. Press VO+Right Arrow to navigate through the list of search results, and 
> press VO+Spacebar on a result to go to that group’s FB page.
> 
> HTH,
> Bryan
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>> join, using Voiceover in Safari on the mac. Does anybody have any tips for 
>> how to use this function? Also, where can the archives for this list be 
>> found and searched? I believe there are a few other pieces of information I 
>> could use to better configure Facebook with Safari, but I'm pretty sure 
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Samnet Socializer

[Laurel and Stockard]

So, I'm looking at using Samnet Socializer sold by Serotek. I've heard it can 
help me better access social media as well as blog and run a personal website. 
Do any of you use this with the mac, iPad and iPhone and with Voiceover? Would 
you recommend this product? And finally, how compatible is this with Apple and 
the Mac?
Thanks
Laurel
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Re: Samnet Socializer

[Laurel and Stockard]

Ok, so you're saying that you can't use safari with it? So you use google 
chrome? And are you also saying that you use it in vm Fusion? Just wanna make 
sure I'm understanding you right. Could it be used with google chrome and 
voiceover, directly in the mac environment without VM Fusion?
Thanks
Laurel
On Apr 1, 2014, at 9:31 AM, wayne17a  wrote:

>   Hi I use sam net but in a vm because you
> have to use chrome else but apart from that it is very good with all parts
> of media like fb messaging and twitter the controls are easey to figure out
> and use but with sam there is also a load of audio discriped movies and tv
> series to watch and all manner of radio stations to listen to and if you buy
> a plan you can have docuscan witch is a pdf converter and is awesome at what
> it can do but if you go to www.satogo .com you can sign up for a free seven
> day subscription to try all of the features of sam net and I don't think you
> will look back hope this helps 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Laurel and Stockard
> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 9:26 PM
> To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Samnet Socializer
> 
> So, I'm looking at using Samnet Socializer sold by Serotek. I've heard it
> can help me better access social media as well as blog and run a personal
> website. Do any of you use this with the mac, iPad and iPhone and with
> Voiceover? Would you recommend this product? And finally, how compatible is
> this with Apple and the Mac?
> Thanks
> Laurel
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accessible website building solutions

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Hi guys,
So, upon discovering straight from the Samnet Socializer people that it's not 
built for the mac, not generally accessible with the mac, and not recommended 
for mac, I've decided not to buy. So, that brings me to my subject here. I was 
going to use Samnet for the personal website feature. I'm starting a small 
business and need a website. What website building solutions do you guys know 
of that are compatible with Voiceover? I'm also looking for something that is 
really user friendly, I'm a pretty good person with computers I'd like to 
think, but this will be my first time building a website myself.
Any suggestions would be much appreciated.
Laurel
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Re: accessible website building solutions

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Hey Sarah, thanks for the information! Does anybody know anything about a 
website building service called Ipage? I believe their website is www.ipage.com 
My father uses that for his website, but I'm not sure how accessible that one 
is. My father said I might be able to use that along with wordpress, and maybe 
do it cheaper than just using wordpress alone. Thoughts?
Laurel
On Apr 1, 2014, at 12:30 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

> I use wordpress for all of my website building needs. this is basically a cms 
> and the back end is very very accessible with the mac. I don't know css or I 
> could adjust culors and stuff, but to try it out you could host your site at 
> wordpress.com if you don't feel comfortable self hosting it.
> 
> It's not fancy but for an example see 
> 
> http://alawamiproductions.com
> 
> They are even creative on the 404 error  messages Thise are not my doing. 
> Heha.
> 
> Good luck.
> On Apr 1, 2014, at 9:32 AM, Laurel and Stockard  
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>> Hi guys,
>> So, upon discovering straight from the Samnet Socializer people that it's 
>> not built for the mac, not generally accessible with the mac, and not 
>> recommended for mac, I've decided not to buy. So, that brings me to my 
>> subject here. I was going to use Samnet for the personal website feature. 
>> I'm starting a small business and need a website. What website building 
>> solutions do you guys know of that are compatible with Voiceover? I'm also 
>> looking for something that is really user friendly, I'm a pretty good person 
>> with computers I'd like to think, but this will be my first time building a 
>> website myself.
>> Any suggestions would be much appreciated.
>> Laurel
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resources for blind web developers was Re: Web Development

[Laurel and Stockard]

Hi Gordon and all,
Currently, I'm using wordpress.org in combination with iPage.com to build a 
website. I'm glad you mentioned some of the other web building platforms out 
there as I might find them helpful in the future. My question sort of branches 
off this topic, hence the subject change.
What resources are out there for blind people who are learning website 
development? Particularly what resources might be out there to help us learn 
things like coding, and how to deal with graphic design and all? I suppose I'm 
asking because I've been looking but just haven't found much out there.
Thanks
Laurel
On Apr 5, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Chris Apple boy  wrote:

> Hi Gordon and all
> Ar ok that's the catch then, thanks for the advice. Will also check out Taco 
> HTML Edit as am thinking of creating a website to publicize my groups on 
> Emissives or something like that. It may also help me brush up my web 
> development too. Thanks once again.
> 
> Regards Chris
> 
> Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
> 
> On 05/04/2014 16:49, Gordon Smith wrote:
>> Hi Chris
>> 
>> We have been using MarsEdit for years now, alongside other solutions such as 
>> Taco HTML Edit.  But I think to get the best out of MarsEdit you do need a 
>> WordPress account on some server or others.  We’re fortunate in as much as 
>> we do have the capability and capacity to install our own server and 
>> dedicate it to this type of thing so I think we will do this and as soon as 
>> I get around to doing it we will move our blog to our own servers.
>> 
>> But I strongly urge you to buy direct from the developer.  That way you can 
>> be sure of benefiting from their excellent support.
>> 
>> Kindest regards
>> 
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>> On 5 Apr 2014, at 12:33, Chris Apple boy  wrote:
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>> Hi Gordon and all
>> I am trying Mars Edit and it is brilliant. It recognized my Wordpress 
>> account right away once I entered in the required information. I was able to 
>> post both a blog and a page, make edits to it and so on. I plan to buy it 
>> probably from the App Store soon rather than the developers themselves. So 
>> if you're going down this route I say way to go for you.
>> 
>> Regards Chris
>> 
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>> On 05/04/2014 12:25, Gordon Smith wrote:
>>> Hi all
>>> 
>>> Recently, the subject of website development was discussed on Mac Access.  
>>> This kind of set me thinking and I wondered whether anybody had got any joy 
>>> out of using Sandvox?  This is, I believe, apple’s recommended application 
>>> now, since their own iWeb is no longer available.  Many people talk about 
>>> using Wordpress, and this is something I’m going to investigate while I’m 
>>> on Easter holidays.  Although not in the same way as some others, I plan to 
>>> install it on a local server to see how it works.  Once done, I’m planning 
>>> to install MAMP Pro in order to maintain several Wordpress sites on the 
>>> same server.
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>>> discussion is MarsEdit.  This application which is available from a small 
>>> developer called Red Sweater,  is 
>>> very definitely worth a look and, if you’re able, supporting.  The guy who 
>>> develops the software is very proactive and always keen to assist where he 
>>> can.
>>> 
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>>> 
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Garage Band for the Mac, accessibility updates

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Hi everyone,
So, I noticed while installing updates this morning that Apple, as of about 
March 20, has updated Garage Band for the mac. Supposedly, this update includes 
improvements to the app's accessibility/voiceover. Has anybody played with it 
lately, and does anybody have any specific information as to what those updates 
are?
Thanks
Laurel
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the MainStage 3 app for the mac

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This is a music app for the mac available from the app store. I know it can be 
used by itself, and its sounds, instruments and loops, can be used with 
Garageband. Does anybody in this community have any information regarding the 
Mainstage app's accessibility? I'm primarily interested in the softwear 
instruments and loops it has to offer.
Thanks
Laurel
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Re: the MainStage 3 app for the mac

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Hi Christopher,
What I actually have in mind is buying Mainstage 3, installing all the 
instruments and loops, and using those sounds with GarageBand. I've read online 
that it's possible. Have you tried that approach?
Laurel
On Apr 21, 2014, at 4:50 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
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> Laurel,
> 
> It works well for the most part from what I hear.  I personally had a lot of 
> trouble getting the different patches to work.  I found some of them in my 
> patch list, but nowhere near! the amount that it clames it should have had. 
> Yes, I definitely did let it go through its little ordeal and download all 8 
> or whatever gigs worth of samples.  Even still though, I see a few pianos, 
> maybe a few organs, maybe one or two string samples, and that's about it. No 
> woodwinds, no brass, no purcussion, none a that.  I've uninstalled and 
> reinstalled and attempted at least 3 or 4 times over the past few months to 
> get it working, but I never was very impressed with what I got with it.
> 
> I dono though, maybe XPand2 has just spoiled me in ProTools, along with the 
> Piano Tech 4 Stage plugin.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Laurel and Stockard" 
> 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 3:57 PM
> Subject: the MainStage 3 app for the mac
> 
> 
>> This is a music app for the mac available from the app store. I know it can 
>> be used by itself, and its sounds, instruments and loops, can be used with 
>> Garageband. Does anybody in this community have any information regarding 
>> the Mainstage app's accessibility? I'm primarily interested in the softwear 
>> instruments and loops it has to offer.
>> Thanks
>> Laurel
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a GarageBand 10.0 instruments question, not sure if I have them all

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Hey guys,
Under the library browser in Garageband, I am able to see my virtual 
instruments that I can choose and play. Via online reading I've seen several 
instrument options, world instruments for example, that I don't have and want. 
I've looked for the directory of Garageband files to see just which Jampacks, 
or packs, I have, but I can't seem to find that file directory. I'm also trying 
to figure out how to ensure that I've got all available instruments. I know 
I've got all available loops, including all available purchased loops, so I 
can't figure out why there seem to be instruments I don't have.
Thoughts/help please?
Tanks in advance,
Laurel
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Re: the MainStage 3 app for the mac

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Hey Phill, thanks for the advice. How did you manage to get through the first 
couple screens? Also, as per my other message about having missing instruments 
in Garageband, I've found the sampler files folder and the sampler instruments 
folder in my library/applications support/garageband folder. I've got lots more 
files in the sampler files folder than I do the sampler instruments folder, 
which might be the problem here. Would you happen to know how to solve that one?
Laurel
On Apr 21, 2014, at 7:10 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:

> I bought mainstage and used it to download all six jam packs for GarageBand. 
> I don't use mainstage itself, but only use the downloaded jam packs in 
> GarageBand. There's quite a lot there. The initial set up is kind of tricky 
> as I think mainstage his first screen is somewhat inaccessible. It is silent 
> on the main on the first download screen, but once you get past it you can 
> download additional materials i.e. the jam packs through the menu options. 
> Mainstage puts all the jam packs in the proper folder so you don't have to 
> worry about it they will be accessible when you open garage band. Of course, 
> I did all this under the old garage band. But I think it will be the same 
> situation for the new garage band.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Apr 21, 2014, at 6:48 PM, Laurel and Stockard  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Christopher,
>> What I actually have in mind is buying Mainstage 3, installing all the 
>> instruments and loops, and using those sounds with GarageBand. I've read 
>> online that it's possible. Have you tried that approach?
>> Laurel
>>> On Apr 21, 2014, at 4:50 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Laurel,
>>> 
>>> It works well for the most part from what I hear.  I personally had a lot 
>>> of trouble getting the different patches to work.  I found some of them in 
>>> my patch list, but nowhere near! the amount that it clames it should have 
>>> had. Yes, I definitely did let it go through its little ordeal and download 
>>> all 8 or whatever gigs worth of samples.  Even still though, I see a few 
>>> pianos, maybe a few organs, maybe one or two string samples, and that's 
>>> about it. No woodwinds, no brass, no purcussion, none a that.  I've 
>>> uninstalled and reinstalled and attempted at least 3 or 4 times over the 
>>> past few months to get it working, but I never was very impressed with what 
>>> I got with it.
>>> 
>>> I dono though, maybe XPand2 has just spoiled me in ProTools, along with the 
>>> Piano Tech 4 Stage plugin.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Laurel and Stockard" 
>>> 
>>> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
>>> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 3:57 PM
>>> Subject: the MainStage 3 app for the mac
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> This is a music app for the mac available from the app store. I know it 
>>>> can be used by itself, and its sounds, instruments and loops, can be used 
>>>> with Garageband. Does anybody in this community have any information 
>>>> regarding the Mainstage app's accessibility? I'm primarily interested in 
>>>> the softwear instruments and loops it has to offer.
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Laurel
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the Quickbooks program

[Laurel and Stockard]

My dad and I are starting a business, we're looking at the Quickbook program 
for record keeping, transaction record keeping and credit card processing in 
combination with Intuit. Is there anybody who has had experience with Quickbook 
and can speak to its accessibility?
Laurel
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ditching adium, need app recommendations for Facebook chatting

[Laurel and Stockard]

Hi all,
I have been using the Adium messenger in order to do Facebook chatting for the 
last several months. I'm not satisfied with it though and I want to find a 
different app to connect to my facebook on my mac so that I can chat with it. I 
have 2 facebook accounts, one is my primary account and the 2nd is one that I 
use to connect with people from other countries online to practice languages, 
for obvious reasons, I have a 2nd account for that so that my name/identifiable 
information is not presented to people I've never met face to face. So, I 
already use facebook with skype, and that works quite well, but I use it with 
my primary facebook account, and last time I checked, I can't connect 2 
separate facebook accounts to the same skype account. If somebody's found a way 
to do it, let me know, but so far I haven't.
So, what other chatting apps are accessible with voiceover on the mac and can 
be used with facebook?
Thanks,
Laurel
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Re: ditching adium, need app recommendations for Facebook chatting

[Laurel and Stockard]

Thank you! I just found instructions on this but I wondered if it was 
outdated/if it still worked. Now, after I set this up, how can I tell that it 
worked? Will it import my facebook contacts? I just need some way to make sure 
that this worked right.
Laurel
On May 4, 2014, at 2:22 PM, Chris Apple boy  wrote:

> Did you know the stock Messages app can handle Facebook? Just set it up using 
> the Jabba protocol and use
> chat.facebook.com
> as the server.
> 
> 
> Regards Chris
> Clap along if you feel like happiness is the truth!
> 
> On 04/05/2014 19:57, Laurel and Stockard wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I have been using the Adium messenger in order to do Facebook chatting for 
>> the last several months. I'm not satisfied with it though and I want to find 
>> a different app to connect to my facebook on my mac so that I can chat with 
>> it. I have 2 facebook accounts, one is my primary account and the 2nd is one 
>> that I use to connect with people from other countries online to practice 
>> languages, for obvious reasons, I have a 2nd account for that so that my 
>> name/identifiable information is not presented to people I've never met face 
>> to face. So, I already use facebook with skype, and that works quite well, 
>> but I use it with my primary facebook account, and last time I checked, I 
>> can't connect 2 separate facebook accounts to the same skype account. If 
>> somebody's found a way to do it, let me know, but so far I haven't.
>> So, what other chatting apps are accessible with voiceover on the mac and 
>> can be used with facebook?
>> Thanks,
>> Laurel
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Re: ditching adium, need app recommendations for Facebook chatting

[Laurel and Stockard]

Sorry Chris, one more question. Do I set up chat.facebook.com as my server or 
my port? What do I set up as my port? I saw a number, 5222 that supposedly 
should be the port but I'm not sure if I should use that or not.
Thanks,
Laurel
On May 4, 2014, at 2:22 PM, Chris Apple boy  wrote:

> Did you know the stock Messages app can handle Facebook? Just set it up using 
> the Jabba protocol and use
> chat.facebook.com
> as the server.
> 
> 
> Regards Chris
> Clap along if you feel like happiness is the truth!
> 
> On 04/05/2014 19:57, Laurel and Stockard wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I have been using the Adium messenger in order to do Facebook chatting for 
>> the last several months. I'm not satisfied with it though and I want to find 
>> a different app to connect to my facebook on my mac so that I can chat with 
>> it. I have 2 facebook accounts, one is my primary account and the 2nd is one 
>> that I use to connect with people from other countries online to practice 
>> languages, for obvious reasons, I have a 2nd account for that so that my 
>> name/identifiable information is not presented to people I've never met face 
>> to face. So, I already use facebook with skype, and that works quite well, 
>> but I use it with my primary facebook account, and last time I checked, I 
>> can't connect 2 separate facebook accounts to the same skype account. If 
>> somebody's found a way to do it, let me know, but so far I haven't.
>> So, what other chatting apps are accessible with voiceover on the mac and 
>> can be used with facebook?
>> Thanks,
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Re: ditching adium, need app recommendations for Facebook chatting

[Laurel and Stockard]

Thanks Chris, I actually got it to work. :-)
The rest of y'all, I'm sorry for posting multiple messages, I just took awhile 
to get things to work.

As for Adium, I know some of you all use it and like it, but I just couldn't 
get the performance out of it that I wanted. Too many little Voiceover quirks 
for me to want to keep using it. Do y'all even know if this app is being 
maintained and updated anymore?
Laurel
On May 4, 2014, at 2:22 PM, Chris Apple boy  wrote:

> Did you know the stock Messages app can handle Facebook? Just set it up using 
> the Jabba protocol and use
> chat.facebook.com
> as the server.
> 
> 
> Regards Chris
> Clap along if you feel like happiness is the truth!
> 
> On 04/05/2014 19:57, Laurel and Stockard wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I have been using the Adium messenger in order to do Facebook chatting for 
>> the last several months. I'm not satisfied with it though and I want to find 
>> a different app to connect to my facebook on my mac so that I can chat with 
>> it. I have 2 facebook accounts, one is my primary account and the 2nd is one 
>> that I use to connect with people from other countries online to practice 
>> languages, for obvious reasons, I have a 2nd account for that so that my 
>> name/identifiable information is not presented to people I've never met face 
>> to face. So, I already use facebook with skype, and that works quite well, 
>> but I use it with my primary facebook account, and last time I checked, I 
>> can't connect 2 separate facebook accounts to the same skype account. If 
>> somebody's found a way to do it, let me know, but so far I haven't.
>> So, what other chatting apps are accessible with voiceover on the mac and 
>> can be used with facebook?
>> Thanks,
>> Laurel
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Re: ditching adium, need app recommendations for Facebook chatting

[Laurel and Stockard]

Well, I kind of got messages to work. I can't get all my facebook contacts to 
show up, and new messages aren't appearing in the messages app, I only view a 
couple contacts in that account. What could possibly be going wrong?
Laurel
On May 4, 2014, at 3:16 PM, Chris Apple boy  wrote:

> Yes it is being maintained still but I've heard the latest nightly builds the 
> preferences are no longer as accessible as they used to be. But I am using 
> the stable release so what do I know smile. Glad you got Messages to work.
> 
> Regards Chris
> Clap along if you feel like happiness is the truth!
> 
> On 04/05/2014 20:50, Laurel and Stockard wrote:
>> Thanks Chris, I actually got it to work. :-)
>> The rest of y'all, I'm sorry for posting multiple messages, I just took 
>> awhile to get things to work.
>> 
>> As for Adium, I know some of you all use it and like it, but I just couldn't 
>> get the performance out of it that I wanted. Too many little Voiceover 
>> quirks for me to want to keep using it. Do y'all even know if this app is 
>> being maintained and updated anymore?
>> Laurel
>> On May 4, 2014, at 2:22 PM, Chris Apple boy  wrote:
>> 
>>> Did you know the stock Messages app can handle Facebook? Just set it up 
>>> using the Jabba protocol and use
>>> chat.facebook.com
>>> as the server.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards Chris
>>> Clap along if you feel like happiness is the truth!
>>> 
>>> On 04/05/2014 19:57, Laurel and Stockard wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I have been using the Adium messenger in order to do Facebook chatting for 
>>>> the last several months. I'm not satisfied with it though and I want to 
>>>> find a different app to connect to my facebook on my mac so that I can 
>>>> chat with it. I have 2 facebook accounts, one is my primary account and 
>>>> the 2nd is one that I use to connect with people from other countries 
>>>> online to practice languages, for obvious reasons, I have a 2nd account 
>>>> for that so that my name/identifiable information is not presented to 
>>>> people I've never met face to face. So, I already use facebook with skype, 
>>>> and that works quite well, but I use it with my primary facebook account, 
>>>> and last time I checked, I can't connect 2 separate facebook accounts to 
>>>> the same skype account. If somebody's found a way to do it, let me know, 
>>>> but so far I haven't.
>>>> So, what other chatting apps are accessible with voiceover on the mac and 
>>>> can be used with facebook?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Laurel
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Re: ditching adium, need app recommendations for Facebook chatting

[Laurel and Stockard]

Yeah, I have skype and facebook murged with my primary facebook account, but as 
far as I know I can't add multiple facebook accounts to the same skype account. 
So far, messages seems to be working ok. I get incoming messages from people 
and can respond, however, I can't view a list of those contacts or see who's 
online in order to send a message to somebody new like you can on skype. 
Suggestions? I'm still open to other app ideas if anybody knows of any 
accessible ones.
Laurel
On May 4, 2014, at 3:45 PM, Matthew Carello  wrote:

> Hello there. If you use Skype you can also use it for Facebook chat. It also 
> can be used for MSN. You sign into Skype first then sign out and sign into 
> MSN. You can then merge those and then sign out and into Facebook and merge 
> those. Then when you are done with that you should be able to sign into all 
> of them when signing into Skype. I have mine set to just show online contacts 
> and it shows all online contacts.
> On May 4, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Laurel and Stockard  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> I have been using the Adium messenger in order to do Facebook chatting for 
>> the last several months. I'm not satisfied with it though and I want to find 
>> a different app to connect to my facebook on my mac so that I can chat with 
>> it. I have 2 facebook accounts, one is my primary account and the 2nd is one 
>> that I use to connect with people from other countries online to practice 
>> languages, for obvious reasons, I have a 2nd account for that so that my 
>> name/identifiable information is not presented to people I've never met face 
>> to face. So, I already use facebook with skype, and that works quite well, 
>> but I use it with my primary facebook account, and last time I checked, I 
>> can't connect 2 separate facebook accounts to the same skype account. If 
>> somebody's found a way to do it, let me know, but so far I haven't.
>> So, what other chatting apps are accessible with voiceover on the mac and 
>> can be used with facebook?
>> Thanks,
>> Laurel
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Re: Be ware of the Tune-in update.

[Laurel and Stockard]

Tim, what is Radium? I use Tune In almost every day, so I'm sad to see that I 
can't use the latest update.
Laurel
On May 7, 2014, at 4:06 PM, Tim Emmons  wrote:

> Looks like Radium more and more on this end, Lol. I hate they broke it. Maybe 
> they'll get it fixed but I think I'll use Radium more and more, Lol. 
> On May 7, 2014, at 4:02 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
> 
>> 'm not surprised. Tune in seems to brake things more then they fix. Looks 
>> like it's time to discuss this on applevis, again. Tune in will probably 
>> have this fixed in about 4 or so months. Not hat's not an exaduration.
>> 
>> Take care.
>> On May 7, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Geoff Waaler  wrote:
>> 
>>> Greetings y'all,
>>> 
>>> Not sure whether this is applicable to the free version, but today's 
>>> upgrade to TuneInRadio Pro 6.0 succeeded in rendering this app completely 
>>> unusable on my 5S running IOS 7.1.1.  It will open and play the last 
>>> station that I had on, but I can not play any other stations.  I tried 
>>> selecting from my list of favorites and browsing them with the same result 
>>> (or lack there of).  The pass-through (doubleTapHold gesture) does not 
>>> appear to expose a menu.  If there is a way to play a different station 
>>> i've not yet discovered it.  I haven't tried reinstalling TuneIn because I 
>>> don't want to trash my favorites.  If others are having more success with 
>>> version 6, that will be my next step.
>>> 
>>> Best regards.
>>> Geoff
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radium was Re: Be ware of the Tune-in update.

[Laurel and Stockard]

Hey guys, with Tune In you can get live sporting events, like Hockey etc. Can I 
get that with Radium too? I'm thinking about buying it.
Laurel
On May 7, 2014, at 7:53 PM, Matthew Carello  wrote:

> I love how you don’t even have to go to the window to do much with Radium. 
> The key commands are so awesome. This is for the mac version grin.
> On May 7, 2014, at 6:51 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
>> Tim, I really agree with you about Radium. I also have a Mac, and I enjoy 
>> the fact that I have my favorites on my Mac, iPad, and my iPhone. Radium is 
>> a great app, and they really do pay attention to accessibility related 
>> feedback.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 7, 2014, at 2:26 PM, Tim Emmons  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Radium is another radio app made by Catpig Studios. it's a paid app for the 
>>> iPhone that you can also get for the Mac  (a paid app there as well but 
>>> your stations can sync across) that does online radio, as well as Sirius Xm 
>>> and other subscription services. They're really good about adding stations 
>>> and paying attention to their user base as far as accessibility with their 
>>> app goes. I love OOTunes, but the developer hasn't updated it in a while, 
>>> so not sure what's up there but I'm liking Radum more and more because I 
>>> can use it on both my desktop and my phone and all my favorites are right 
>>> there. Not sure if you use a mac or not but the phone app is nice Take a 
>>> look. Hope that helps. 
>>>> On May 7, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Laurel and Stockard 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Tim, what is Radium? I use Tune In almost every day, so I'm sad to see 
>>>> that I can't use the latest update.
>>>> Laurel
>>>>> On May 7, 2014, at 4:06 PM, Tim Emmons  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Looks like Radium more and more on this end, Lol. I hate they broke it. 
>>>>> Maybe they'll get it fixed but I think I'll use Radium more and more, 
>>>>> Lol. 
>>>>>> On May 7, 2014, at 4:02 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 'm not surprised. Tune in seems to brake things more then they fix. 
>>>>>> Looks like it's time to discuss this on applevis, again. Tune in will 
>>>>>> probably have this fixed in about 4 or so months. Not hat's not an 
>>>>>> exaduration.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Take care.
>>>>>>> On May 7, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Geoff Waaler  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Greetings y'all,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Not sure whether this is applicable to the free version, but today's 
>>>>>>> upgrade to TuneInRadio Pro 6.0 succeeded in rendering this app 
>>>>>>> completely unusable on my 5S running IOS 7.1.1.  It will open and play 
>>>>>>> the last station that I had on, but I can not play any other stations.  
>>>>>>> I tried selecting from my list of favorites and browsing them with the 
>>>>>>> same result (or lack there of).  The pass-through (doubleTapHold 
>>>>>>> gesture) does not appear to expose a menu.  If there is a way to play a 
>>>>>>> different station i've not yet discovered it.  I haven't tried 
>>>>>>> reinstalling TuneIn because I don't want to trash my favorites.  If 
>>>>>>> others are having more success with version 6, that will be my next 
>>>>>>> step.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Best regards.
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Hebrew voices, thoughts and question?

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Hi guys,
I ran across an interesting piece of information today regarding a Hebrew voice 
for text to speech solutions. Apparently, Nuance has developed recently and put 
out a Hebrew voice, named Carmit. This voice is available on windows and 
Android platforms. Now, what makes this interesting is that from what my 
research taught me, Apple actually uses Nuance as a voice provider. Most of my 
voices that I use with voiceover are in fact Nuance voices. Tarik, the Arabic 
voice, and Aurelie, the French voice, are 2 examples of this, as well as the 
English South African voice.
Now, apparently all that Apple would have to do it would seem to make the 
Hebrew Carmit voice available would be to add it to its Nuance voice server. It 
seems that this could be rather an easy fix for Apple, especially since they 
already use a tun of Nuance voices.
Question 1, what do you guys think? Is this a possible solution? I know there 
are a small group of us that really want a Hebrew voice.
question 2, do any of you know if it's possible to somehow get a Nuance voice, 
like this Hebrew one, on the mac through some 3rd party means? I wish there was 
a way I could try and make it work.
Anyway, I'm interested in you alls thoughts on this. If you wanna know more or 
hear a sample, just google "Hebrew voice Carmit Nuance."
Thanks
Laurel
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Re: Hebrew voices, thoughts and question?

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Ok, I did find it with vocalizer for NVDA. So, question, can you get NVDA 
voices and use them with other things, Voiceover etc? I feel like short of just 
using a program like VM Fusion and windows on the mac, there's gotta be some 
kind of work around. I feel like there's probably some back door type way to 
get this voice installed on a mac, it's just, we haven't found it yet. Thoughts?
Laurel
On May 8, 2014, at 9:40 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:

> This voice is very good, from the little I know about Hebrew. It is for NVDA. 
> Salome in Yeshuah.
> 
> 
>> On May 7, 2014, at 21:56, Laurel and Stockard  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi guys,
>> I ran across an interesting piece of information today regarding a Hebrew 
>> voice for text to speech solutions. Apparently, Nuance has developed 
>> recently and put out a Hebrew voice, named Carmit. This voice is available 
>> on windows and Android platforms. Now, what makes this interesting is that 
>> from what my research taught me, Apple actually uses Nuance as a voice 
>> provider. Most of my voices that I use with voiceover are in fact Nuance 
>> voices. Tarik, the Arabic voice, and Aurelie, the French voice, are 2 
>> examples of this, as well as the English South African voice.
>> Now, apparently all that Apple would have to do it would seem to make the 
>> Hebrew Carmit voice available would be to add it to its Nuance voice server. 
>> It seems that this could be rather an easy fix for Apple, especially since 
>> they already use a tun of Nuance voices.
>> Question 1, what do you guys think? Is this a possible solution? I know 
>> there are a small group of us that really want a Hebrew voice.
>> question 2, do any of you know if it's possible to somehow get a Nuance 
>> voice, like this Hebrew one, on the mac through some 3rd party means? I wish 
>> there was a way I could try and make it work.
>> Anyway, I'm interested in you alls thoughts on this. If you wanna know more 
>> or hear a sample, just google "Hebrew voice Carmit Nuance."
>> Thanks
>> Laurel
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creating a signature at the bottom of my email messages on mac

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Hi guys,
When I use the mail app on my iPhone I can have a set signature that gets 
inserted directly at the end of my message, but i can't seem to make that work 
on the mac the same way. I'd like to have a set signature at the bottom of my 
email messages. I tried this once before but it placed my signature at the 
bottom of the entire email thread, like below my message and the message or 
messages that I was replying to. I want my signature to go only directly below 
my message, and I don't want to have to physically write out the whole thing. 
How can I get this done? Ideally, I'd like my name and personal website 
included, but like I said, I don't wanna have to write the whole thing out.
Thanks
Laurel
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mac charger dying

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Hi all,
I think my mac charger just died tonight. It quit working, and I know it's not 
my computer, the plug it was connected to or anything else. I borrowed my Mom's 
mac charger, and that worked, but mine wouldn't work. So, how common is it for 
a mac charger to suddenly quit working like that without just being obviously 
damaged?

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tagging somebody on Facebook using Safari on Mac

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I know this might be a dumb question, but I'm gonna ask it anyway. How do I tag 
somebody by first name only on Facebook? Like I'll see people tagged in 
something and only their first name shows up. Also, I know how to tag people in 
a status, but how do I do so in a comment? The directions I find talk about 
using the @ symbol, start typing a name and a pop up menu, but i'm just not 
seeing it. Thanks!

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Re: tagging somebody on Facebook using Safari on Mac

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Hey Sarah,
Yeah, it's like, I can hit the @ sign and start typing, but I never can seem to 
access the drop down menu that's supposed to appear. Somehow I've seen other 
blind mac users do it, I just can't figure out how. I'm not particularly even 
sure if I know how to tag somebody in a comment or by first name only on IOS, 
but I've never tried it either.
Thanks

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On Jun 16, 2014, at 1:33 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

> There is no such thing as a dumb question, except the ones  that are not 
> asked. You never know  if someone else has the particular question you want 
> to ask.
> 
> I've actually been wondering the same ting. If you can though manage to do 
> it, you delete the last  name of the person. I'll actually have to play with 
> this as I am not sure either how to do this and also cannot get this done.
> 
> I know how to do it in ios, how ever that won't help here. lol! 
> 
> Take care of yourself and be blessed.
> On Jun 16, 2014, at 10:41 AM, Laurel and Stockard  
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>> I know this might be a dumb question, but I'm gonna ask it anyway. How do I 
>> tag somebody by first name only on Facebook? Like I'll see people tagged in 
>> something and only their first name shows up. Also, I know how to tag people 
>> in a status, but how do I do so in a comment? The directions I find talk 
>> about using the @ symbol, start typing a name and a pop up menu, but i'm 
>> just not seeing it. Thanks!
>> 
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Re: tagging somebody on Facebook using Safari on Mac

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Ok all, after doing a little further research, here's what I think I've figured 
out, and maybe one of you real voiceover pros can help us out, but maybe this 
isn't fixable either.
So, here's the deal. I'll give you the good news first. On an iPhone, iPad etc, 
you can hit the @ sign and begin typing somebody's name, feel higher on the 
screen and you should see a list of people who's names begin with the letters 
of the name you're looking for. Select the person you're looking for and 
continue with your comment. Don't put a space between the @ and the beginning 
letters of the person's name. If you want the last name or middle name or both 
gone, then after you select the person from the list, hit the backspace once to 
get rid of the last name and twice if the person has a middle and last name 
that you wanna get rid of.
Now, for the bad news. The process should be the same for the mac, hit the @ 
sign and then begin typing a name, and a drop down menu should appear and you 
should be able to select the person, hit backspace if you wanna get rid of the 
last name, etc. The part that we VO users can't get around is that once you 
start typing, no drop down menus seem to appear. I don't think Voiceover is 
recognizing the menu, assuming it's there. I'm not sure if it's fixable or not, 
but maybe somebody more knowledgable than I can take this info and do something 
with it.


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> asked. You never know  if someone else has the particular question you want 
> to ask.
> 
> I've actually been wondering the same ting. If you can though manage to do 
> it, you delete the last  name of the person. I'll actually have to play with 
> this as I am not sure either how to do this and also cannot get this done.
> 
> I know how to do it in ios, how ever that won't help here. lol! 
> 
> Take care of yourself and be blessed.
> On Jun 16, 2014, at 10:41 AM, Laurel and Stockard  
> wrote:
> 
>> I know this might be a dumb question, but I'm gonna ask it anyway. How do I 
>> tag somebody by first name only on Facebook? Like I'll see people tagged in 
>> something and only their first name shows up. Also, I know how to tag people 
>> in a status, but how do I do so in a comment? The directions I find talk 
>> about using the @ symbol, start typing a name and a pop up menu, but i'm 
>> just not seeing it. Thanks!
>> 
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Re: tagging somebody on Facebook using Safari on Mac

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The status tagging works in the mobile sight if you type your status and then 
move to the right and hit tag people, but thank God, now we've got a way to tag 
people in the middle of a status and not just at the end. :-) Thanks!

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On Jun 16, 2014, at 10:19 PM, Michael Marshall  
wrote:

> good god it worked! you are a genius!
> 
> thanks
> 
> Michael
> On 17 Jun 2014, at 12:49 pm, Bryan Jones  wrote:
> 
>> Hello Laurel & Sarah,
>> 
>> On my Macs I’m currently able to tag FB Friends from a popup list using the 
>> following steps:
>> 1. This assumes the latest versions of MacOS and Safari are installed, 
>> QuickNav is turned off, and that javascript is enabled in Safari (Safari / 
>> Preferences / Security / Enable Javascript).
>> 2. Go to the main Facebook site www.facebook.com. Note that this will not 
>> work on the mobile Facebook site, m.facebook.com.
>> 3. On the main Facebook page, navigate to and activate the button labeled 
>> “Update Status.” VO now announces “What’s on your mind” and I can start 
>> typing my status update here.
>> 4. When I want to tag someone in the body of the status, I type the “@“ 
>> symbol followed by the first few letters of their name, as you mentioned, 
>> and then I can use one of the following three methods to select and insert 
>> the desired name into the status. Note that all of these methods require 
>> Javascript to be enabled in Safari.
>> Method 1: Press the down arrow key with no modifier keys and VO 
>> automatically moves into the list of matching names and I can highlight the 
>> friend I want to tag and then press VO+Spacebar to insert the name into the 
>> status and resume typing.
>> Method 2: if your Mac has a mouse or trackpad and if you are comfortable 
>> using it and if you have your VO Verbosity set to "speak text under mouse 
>> after delay of zero seconds” you might be able to press VO+Command+F5 to 
>> bring the mouse pointer to the VO cursor and then move the mouse pointer 
>> down through the popup list of names and click once to insert the name.
>> Method 3: Open the Item Chooser menu (VO+I) and type the first few letters 
>> you typed in step 4 above. This narrows my item chooser down to the list of 
>> names in the popup list and I can then navigate and select the desired name 
>> using normal Item Chooser / VO commands.
>> 
>> BTW, On my Macs I normally use the FB mobile site, m.facebook.com, but I’m 
>> not able to tag friends using the mobile site, which is why I wrote my 
>> instructions using the standard FB site.
>> 
>> Also, I’ve not yet tried removing the last names from a tag, so I can’t 
>> speak to whether or not that works in Safari on the Mac.
>> 
>> Lastly, while the folks at FB are undeniably making great strides in terms 
>> of site accessibility, I have a sense that they are still prone to making 
>> random, unannounced back-end changes that alter the layout and behavior of 
>> the site. Thus, YMMV.
>> 
>> HTH, and please let us know if this works for you,
>> Bryan
>> 
>> On Jun 16, 2014, at 6:49 PM, Laurel and Stockard  
>> wrote:
>>> Now, for the bad news. The process should be the same for the mac, hit the 
>>> @ sign and then begin typing a name, and a drop down menu should appear and 
>>> you should be able to select the person, hit backspace if you wanna get rid 
>>> of the last name, etc. The part that we VO users can't get around is that 
>>> once you start typing, no drop down menus seem to appear. I don't think 
>>> Voiceover is recognizing the menu, assuming it's there. I'm not sure if 
>>> it's fixable or not, but maybe somebody more knowledgable than I can take 
>>> this info and do something with it.
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creating tags for a Facebook group

[Laurel and Stockard]

Hi all, question. You know how groups have tags that help people find that 
particular group when they search for certain terms and stuff. How do you 
create tags for your group with Voiceover? I know that under the edit settings 
is where you go to create tags, and using FB's normal site, not their mobile 
one, I find a combo box where you can supposedly type in terms and words to 
make your tags. When I start typing though nothing seems to be going on. I wish 
I could use the mobile site to do this, but can't figure out where to go there. 
I've tried this on my mac, can't find where to do it with my iPhone, 
suggestions on how to add tags using ether device are welcome.
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accessible online meeting platform

[Laurel and Stockard]

Hi guys,
Do you know of an accessible online meeting platform, like a conference call 
line except for an online platform instead of a phone one? I'd like to use 
something like webx or gotomeeting for my direct selling businesses, but not 
sure if there's a VO friendly one out there.
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adding friends to custom lists Facebook

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Hi guys,
I'm trying to add Facebook friends to custom lists I've made. So far, it's 
doable but super slow, Facebook has given me tons of accessibility crap with 
this. I can't find a way to do it in the iPhone app without going through my 
entire friends list and hand selecting everyone. FB's full non-mobile site 
won't let me just add friend's names to a search box on my custom list page and 
add them all at once, like sighted people can. There's not even a way to do 
this on the mobile site that I know of. Anyone know a way around this? And, is 
Google Chrome more accessible with this issue? It's driving me nuts, I wanna 
pull my hair out, and unfortunately, because I run several businesses and use 
FB to promote them, it's necessary so that I can post messages and show them 
only to people interested. Help please!

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apple TV question

[Laurel and Stockard]

hopefully, since this is Apple related, this isn't o/t. I apologize if it is.

I'd like to learn more about the Apple TV and how it increases accessibility 
for the blind with regards to TV watching. Who can tell me more, or point me to 
a blindness resource where I can learn more? Also, I have Cable TV but 
obviously I can't access all the menus because my TV doesn't talk. With the 
Apple TV connected to your TV, does anyone use that to control your cable and 
access the different channels etc?
Thanks
Laurel

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[Mac-access]: ways to access braille in languages not already available on the mac, questions and thoughts?

[Laurel and Stockard]

I'm asking this on behalf of a friend. I realize that there is no Armenian 
voice in Voiceover and the Armenian Braille is not supported by the Mac. With 
that said, does anyone know of any 3rd party apps or scripts or anything that 
one could download to at least have access to Armenian braille on the Mac when 
paired with a braille display? I doubt there are any out there but thought I'd 
ask just in case. With that said, would it ever be possible for a person to 
develop an application for the Mac that would add additional braille language 
capabilities to the Mac? We're not even talking about Voiceover here, just 
straight Braille.
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Re: Are there any accessible crosswords for the mac?

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I would also love to know where I can find an accessible crossword app or 
puzzle for the mac/iPad/iPhone. If you know of one, please tell us how you make 
it work. :)
Thanks
Laurel and Stockard the guide dog

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On Sep 1, 2012, at 7:47 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

> Hello Trevor,
> 
> I do the Guardian crossword online using my Mac. If you're interested, I'll 
> explain how to work it.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 1 Sep 2012, at 11:59, trevor scott wrote:
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>> I'm sure this has been asked before but, are there any accessible crossword 
>> puzzles for the mac?
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Trevor
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Re: I need somebody who has experience with vm fusion 5 on a mac

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Ok. This is all really helpful. :) I have a couple more questions, where can I 
get edsharp? And what is a cpu, you were talking about 1 cpu or 4 cpu? I am 
pretty good with computers, but sometimes I miss the technical words. Also, do 
I need boot camp going in order to use vm fusion? And I dont need windows for 
mac, just regular windows for pc will do right? I am planning on buying extra 
ram for my mac and I think I will install jaws on the windows side.
thanks so much for all the advice guys, I really appreciate it. THe only other 
thing I wonder, is if there is a step by step tutorial or podcast on how to 
install all of this. :)
Laurel

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On Oct 17, 2012, at 9:49, Sarah Alawami  wrote:

> I think what they mean is on a laptop  keyboard you cannot modify the caps 
> lock key to work as an incert key in fusion for  your guest OS what ever it 
> might be. hence you need a key remap software for your guest OS to remap 
> another key un my case the right cmd key.
> 
> Be blessed.
> On Oct 17, 2012, at 7:46 AM, "Phil Halton"  wrote:
> 
>> I don't know why you say the mac doesn't have an insert key - My apple wired 
>> USB full-sized keyboard has an insert key in the usual place on the numpad.
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Sean Murphy" 
>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 5:51 AM
>> Subject: Re: I need somebody who has experience with vm fusion 5 on a mac
>> 
>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I live in both world's.  Depending on which version of Windows 7 you are 
>>> going to use determines the amount of RAM. If you use the 32 bit then you 
>>> only need 2 gb of RAM for the OS. If you are going to use 64 bit then you 
>>> require 4 gb. So you can get away with only 4gb on the Mac if you only use 
>>> the Windows 7 32 bit. Ideally it is best to have more then you require to 
>>> prevent any performance reduction on the Mac.
>>> 
>>> Installing the OS will have the same challenges if you do it on a native 
>>> PC. That is, you either do it via a script or have sighted assistance. What 
>>> ever screen reader you use will be done in the same fashion.
>>> 
>>> Caveats in relation to settings within VMWare:
>>> 
>>> 1. There is an article in the archives that discusses about remapping keys 
>>> within the Mac and Windows. Edsharp is the app for windows to remap keys. 
>>> The reason for this is that the Mac does not have a insert key and you 
>>> cannot use the caps lock key while Voice over is on within Windows. 
>>> Voice-Over doesn't pass the key through.
>>> 2. Turn off all shortcut keys within the VMWare configuration.
>>> 3. Only use a 1 CPU. You do not get any advantage with more then 1.
>>> 4. Set up share and access your documents from the VMWare share. This 
>>> allows you to access them from windows or the Mac.
>>> 5. Install vmware tools in the guess OS.
>>> 
>>> Other then this, there is not much more to do.
>>> 
>>> Sean
>>> 
>>> On 17/10/2012, at 1:44 PM, Laurel  wrote:
>>> 
 Alrighty, if that's what most people want than it's ok with me. I just
 have tuns of questions and I want to be respectful of the list and not
 clutter it up too much for people who might be uninterested.
 As I understand it, I should have at least 4 gb of ram, I need windows
 7 or 8 the regular version and not windows for mac, and I should
 install JAWS on my windows side of my mac so that I can use it when I
 need to use a windows program. Is there anything else I should know
 before installing? And how hard is it to install and set up.
 Thanks,
 Laurel
 
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> I really think taking the discussion offlist defeats the purpose of the
> list. I could benefit from the discussion as well, as could others.  I'm
> about to install VMWare fusion 5 soon and would like to hear about others
> experience. Please keep this onlist.
> .
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Gordon Smith" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 2:08 PM
> Subject: Re: I need somebody who has experience with vm fusion 5 on a mac
> 
> 
>> By all means write privately to me or to Lynne.  
>> or
>> 
>> .
>> 
>> On 16 Oct 2012, at 18:08, Laurel  wrote:
>> 
>> As my subject says, I am looking for an individual who has experience
>> setting up and running vm fusion 5 on a mac. I generally understand
>> how it works, and am planning on installing it on my mac. I do have
>> some questions though, and rather than posing my questions to the
>> entire list, I would like it if I could talk to somebody who is really
>> experienced with this and could help me out. If you have experience
>> setting up/running this program, and can help me, please write me at
>> laurel.stock...@gmail.com. I would prefer if you could write me
>> priavetly, as not to clutter up the list.
>> T

Re: I need somebody who has experience with vm fusion 5 on a mac

[Laurel and Stockard]

Awesome, this info is really helpful. I will probably try and install soon, and 
if I have any more questions, I will let you know. Thanks so much! And anybody 
who is about to do this too, if you all have an questions chip in.
Laurel

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On Oct 17, 2012, at 10:39, Gordon Smith  wrote:

> A little wasteful doing it that way though.  Also, be mindful of the fact 
> that you may have problems with assistive accessibility tools which rely on 
> video drivers if you use a BootCamp partition with such a tool and want to do 
> the same under Fusion.  I'm not naming tools, quite deliberately because not 
> all of them would have this problem.
> 
> On 17 Oct 2012, at 16:35, Tommy Craig  wrote:
> 
> There is no need to do another install of Windows. Just tell Fusion to use
> the boot camp partition and all is well. 
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Re: I need somebody who has experience with vm fusion 5 on a mac

[Laurel and Stockard]

you know, some of you all who have a tun of experience with this vm fusion 
stuff, really aught to write a blog post about it. I bet if we could get some 
experienced people to make a check list so to speak for what people need to 
know before installing, and during the process of using vm fusion it would help 
a lot of us newbies out there. There is tuns of vm fusion stuff, but not much 
out there having to do with how we, the blind/visually impaired, use this 
program and the benefits/cons to it. Just saying, it should be a blog post or 
something somewhere.
jmo
Laurel

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On Oct 17, 2012, at 18:58, Eric Caron  wrote:

> Hi Phil,
> 
>I also use a full size Apple USB keyboard.  I don't have a insert key.  
> Where exactly are you finding yours?
> 
> Eric Caron
> 
> 
> On Oct 17, 2012, at 10:46 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
>> I don't know why you say the mac doesn't have an insert key - My apple wired 
>> USB full-sized keyboard has an insert key in the usual place on the numpad.
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Sean Murphy" 
>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 5:51 AM
>> Subject: Re: I need somebody who has experience with vm fusion 5 on a mac
>> 
>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I live in both world's.  Depending on which version of Windows 7 you are 
>>> going to use determines the amount of RAM. If you use the 32 bit then you 
>>> only need 2 gb of RAM for the OS. If you are going to use 64 bit then you 
>>> require 4 gb. So you can get away with only 4gb on the Mac if you only use 
>>> the Windows 7 32 bit. Ideally it is best to have more then you require to 
>>> prevent any performance reduction on the Mac.
>>> 
>>> Installing the OS will have the same challenges if you do it on a native 
>>> PC. That is, you either do it via a script or have sighted assistance. What 
>>> ever screen reader you use will be done in the same fashion.
>>> 
>>> Caveats in relation to settings within VMWare:
>>> 
>>> 1. There is an article in the archives that discusses about remapping keys 
>>> within the Mac and Windows. Edsharp is the app for windows to remap keys. 
>>> The reason for this is that the Mac does not have a insert key and you 
>>> cannot use the caps lock key while Voice over is on within Windows. 
>>> Voice-Over doesn't pass the key through.
>>> 2. Turn off all shortcut keys within the VMWare configuration.
>>> 3. Only use a 1 CPU. You do not get any advantage with more then 1.
>>> 4. Set up share and access your documents from the VMWare share. This 
>>> allows you to access them from windows or the Mac.
>>> 5. Install vmware tools in the guess OS.
>>> 
>>> Other then this, there is not much more to do.
>>> 
>>> Sean
>>> 
>>> On 17/10/2012, at 1:44 PM, Laurel  wrote:
>>> 
 Alrighty, if that's what most people want than it's ok with me. I just
 have tuns of questions and I want to be respectful of the list and not
 clutter it up too much for people who might be uninterested.
 As I understand it, I should have at least 4 gb of ram, I need windows
 7 or 8 the regular version and not windows for mac, and I should
 install JAWS on my windows side of my mac so that I can use it when I
 need to use a windows program. Is there anything else I should know
 before installing? And how hard is it to install and set up.
 Thanks,
 Laurel
 
 On 10/16/12, Phil Halton  wrote:
> I really think taking the discussion offlist defeats the purpose of the
> list. I could benefit from the discussion as well, as could others.  I'm
> about to install VMWare fusion 5 soon and would like to hear about others
> experience. Please keep this onlist.
> .
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Gordon Smith" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 2:08 PM
> Subject: Re: I need somebody who has experience with vm fusion 5 on a mac
> 
> 
>> By all means write privately to me or to Lynne.  
>> or
>> 
>> .
>> 
>> On 16 Oct 2012, at 18:08, Laurel  wrote:
>> 
>> As my subject says, I am looking for an individual who has experience
>> setting up and running vm fusion 5 on a mac. I generally understand
>> how it works, and am planning on installing it on my mac. I do have
>> some questions though, and rather than posing my questions to the
>> entire list, I would like it if I could talk to somebody who is really
>> experienced with this and could help me out. If you have experience
>> setting up/running this program, and can help me, please write me at
>> laurel.stock...@gmail.com. I would prefer if you could write me
>> priavetly, as not to clutter up the list.
>> Thanks so much, I really appreciate it.
>> Laurel
>> P.S.
>> If anybody knows of any good blogs or places where to get vm fusion
>> tutorials for blind people I would also appreciate that.
>> <--- M

google crome, is it accessible?

[Laurel and Stockard]

Hey guys,
I'm sorry if this has been already covered recently, I've been out of the 
country for awhile so if it has, forgive me. I was renewing my Bookshare 
subscription and I saw that it's possible to read books on the web directly 
from the sight. It said though that in order to use all the reading features, 
that you should use google crome both on a pc and a mac. It said that firefox, 
safari etc can be used, but not with the full reading features. So, my question 
is, is google crome voiceover compatible?
Thanks
Laurel
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how to read a microsoft excel document?

[Laurel and Stockard]

Hey all,
I don't post much on here, but I have a question. Somebody sent me a microsoft 
excel spread sheet containing information that I want to access. What's the 
best way to access this document via voiceover and the mac? I know there are 
ways to convert the excel document to other formats, but what works best?
Thanks
Laurel
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Re: If You Have an iPhone And A Fritz! Box

[Laurel And Stockard]

Hi,
Could you briefly describe what the Fritz box is? I've never even heard of 
that, but it sounds really neat. Thanks a lot.

Laurel

> On Oct 20, 2013, at 21:05, Dane Trethowan  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> If you have an iPhone and a Fritz! Box then you may wish to take advantage of 
> the new Fritz! App from the Apps store, this App allows you to make phone 
> calls from your iPhone through your Fritz! Box, for example you can configure 
> the system to make calls from a VOIP or PSTN line rather than using your 
> iPhone to make the call thus possibly saving you a large amount of money on 
> the call.
> 
> Obviously you have to be on your Wi-Fi Network with the Fritz! Box for this 
> app to work.
> 
> 
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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

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Hey guys, is updating to the Mavericks OS 10.9 hard? How long on average did it 
take you. I'm just curious before I actually do it.
Thanks
Laurel
On Oct 24, 2013, at 9:49 AM, Bryan Jones wrote:

> Hi Zach,
> 
> Yes, I too have adjusted to using the VO+Shift+Home/End keystroke to move to 
> top or bottom row ever since Apple removed the Option+up/down keystroke when 
> they released Lion Mail. The Option+up/down arrow keystroke has remained 
> available in Finder but has been missing in both Lion & ML Mail.
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> The minor annoyance for me, as a frequent user of classic view in mail and 
> list view in Finder, is that the VO keystroke actually moves between the 
> first column of the first row and the last column of the last row, thus 
> requiring additional VO+left/right keystrokes to get back to my desired 
> column, whereas the Option+up/down keystroke leaves focus in the current 
> column while moving to top or bottom.
> 
> Cheers,
> Bryan
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> On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:29 PM, Zachary Kline  wrote:
>> Seems a strange bug to creep i, and even stranger to be removed. Ahw ell, I 
>> just use VO commands.
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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

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Is it necessary to back the computer up to the Time Machine in case the 
Mavericks assistant does not work first before you start the install?

Laurel and Stockard

> On Oct 24, 2013, at 14:15, Josh Gregory  wrote:
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> First off,it is worth noting that unlike previous updates, this update is 
> free. It took me about… Perhaps an hour and a half once I downloaded and 
> installed everything, it's not hard, it downloads an application that will 
> walk you through it.
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Oct 24, 2013, at 2:56 PM, Laurel and Stockard  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey guys, is updating to the Mavericks OS 10.9 hard? How long on average did 
>> it take you. I'm just curious before I actually do it.
>> Thanks
>> Laurel
>>> On Oct 24, 2013, at 9:49 AM, Bryan Jones wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Zach,
>>> 
>>> Yes, I too have adjusted to using the VO+Shift+Home/End keystroke to move 
>>> to top or bottom row ever since Apple removed the Option+up/down keystroke 
>>> when they released Lion Mail. The Option+up/down arrow keystroke has 
>>> remained available in Finder but has been missing in both Lion & ML Mail.
>>> 
>>> The minor annoyance for me, as a frequent user of classic view in mail and 
>>> list view in Finder, is that the VO keystroke actually moves between the 
>>> first column of the first row and the last column of the last row, thus 
>>> requiring additional VO+left/right keystrokes to get back to my desired 
>>> column, whereas the Option+up/down keystroke leaves focus in the current 
>>> column while moving to top or bottom.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Bryan
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:29 PM, Zachary Kline  wrote:
>>>> Seems a strange bug to creep i, and even stranger to be removed. Ahw ell, 
>>>> I just use VO commands.
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downloading new voices on mac, voices sound weird

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Hey guys. I've got OS 10.9 installed and that seems to be working well.  I've 
downloaded some of the new voices for voiceover, Allison, Ava etc, but they 
sound weird. When I listen to the sound samples, and then listen to my 
computer, the voices sound way low and way different on my computer than they 
do in the sound samples. I've played with the pitch and all, suggestions 
anybody?
Thanks,
Laurel
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Re: downloading new voices on mac, voices sound weird

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Thanks, I did that and it fixed it. Now the only difference is that my voices 
sound a lot deeper when I'm typing, but that's all. :-)
Laurel
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> Hi,
> You might have to reboot the computer after downloading them. I remember 
> having this problem a little while back, and as I recall a reboot solved it.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Oct 27, 2013, at 11:18 AM, Laurel and Stockard  
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>> Hey guys. I've got OS 10.9 installed and that seems to be working well.  
>> I've downloaded some of the new voices for voiceover, Allison, Ava etc, but 
>> they sound weird. When I listen to the sound samples, and then listen to my 
>> computer, the voices sound way low and way different on my computer than 
>> they do in the sound samples. I've played with the pitch and all, 
>> suggestions anybody?
>> Thanks,
>> Laurel
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accessible online chatting using the mac

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Hey guys,
I know there are a lot of just plain chat rooms out there, where you can talk 
to other people all over the world, practice languages, etc. Do any of you know 
of an online chatting environment that is voiceover accessible using a mac? 
Also, I know a lot of websites and things use different chatting clients like 
java etc, what are some things I can look for when trying to determine the 
accessibility of one of these chat rooms?
Thanks
Laurel
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Re: accessible online chatting using the mac

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I know there are a lot of just websites out there with public chat rooms, I'm 
mainly asking about them. Does anybody know of any public websites with public 
chat rooms that are accessible? I love abbium. :-)
Laurel
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> Are you looking for a chat program or solution for web chat? Adium is the 
> chat program I recommend for chats via instant messaged. It is very 
> accessible.
> On 14/11/2013, at 9:08 AM, Laurel and Stockard  
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>> I know there are a lot of just plain chat rooms out there, where you can 
>> talk to other people all over the world, practice languages, etc. Do any of 
>> you know of an online chatting environment that is voiceover accessible 
>> using a mac? Also, I know a lot of websites and things use different 
>> chatting clients like java etc, what are some things I can look for when 
>> trying to determine the accessibility of one of these chat rooms?
>> Thanks
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trying to convert pages document to word using mac

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Hey guys, advice would be appreciated. I have a friend who needs to see a pages 
document I have, and is working on a pc. I need to convert this document to 
microsoft word. I hit file, then export, then word and followed the 
instructions and saved it. It saves the new document, but when I go into my 
documents folder to view it, it still says it's a pages document. Somehow, it's 
not actually making it a word document.
Thoughts?
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update, trying to convert pages document

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Hey guys,
So, the other day I was trying to convert a pages document to word, using 
voiceover on my mac. I go to file, then export, then celect word, follow the 
prompts, save it with a different name, and finish. It saves it as a pages 
document and will not convert to word. I also tried, as some of you suggested, 
converting it to rich text as well as pdf. It won't convert my file to 
anything! I'm extremely frustrated, I'm not sure what to do next. Do you know 
of any online website that is trustworthy and can convert it for me? Obviously, 
apple has a problem with this.
Thanks
Laurel
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numbers documents

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Hey guys, this might sound stupid, but I'm about to buy the numbers app, and I 
want to know how well it works with voiceover. Obviously, since it's an apple 
app it's accessible, but do y'all find it easy to work with?
Thanks
Laurel
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good garage band tutorials

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Hey guys,
I just got the latest version of Garage Band. Do any of you know of any good 
voiceover tutorials for the current version of garage band? I'm having a hard 
time learning how to do things, specifically add loops to a track, and I can't 
seem to find a good vo tutorial either. I'm not sure how to drag and drop 
things like loops etc in this program. The help would be mucho appreciated!
Laurel
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garage band help, how to add loops to a track

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Hey guys,
I like the tutorials that Sarah referred me to, their great! I do need help 
though. I can't figure out how to add an apple loop to a track. I know the 
normal directions say to drag and drop the loop into the track, but I can't 
seem to do that. Some of the older garage band tutorials were using the 
perevious version of Garage Band, so it's hard for me to follow their 
directions because the older version's layout is very different from this one, 
and I don't have any experience with the older versions.
Can anybody who has experience with this help me out? Maybe I just don't know 
where to drag and drop the tracks, or maybe there's a voiceover trick I can't 
figure out? I've also tried just copying and pasting the loop into the track, 
but no dice. If somebody has it on their computer but doesn't have a lot of 
experience, maybe if they have more vision than I do they could still look at 
it and help me out?
Thoughts?
Thanks
Laurel
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Re: garage band help, how to add loops to a track

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Sarah, when I hit command c to copy the loop, it says that it can't be copied. 
:-( I'm just stuck. lol
Laurel
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> Hello. try copying and pasting the loop from the loop area to the new track 
> at the beat and subdivision you want it at.  I don’t ue the new gb so am not 
> much help here.
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> Take care. 
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>> Hey guys,
>> I like the tutorials that Sarah referred me to, their great! I do need help 
>> though. I can't figure out how to add an apple loop to a track. I know the 
>> normal directions say to drag and drop the loop into the track, but I can't 
>> seem to do that. Some of the older garage band tutorials were using the 
>> perevious version of Garage Band, so it's hard for me to follow their 
>> directions because the older version's layout is very different from this 
>> one, and I don't have any experience with the older versions.
>> Can anybody who has experience with this help me out? Maybe I just don't 
>> know where to drag and drop the tracks, or maybe there's a voiceover trick I 
>> can't figure out? I've also tried just copying and pasting the loop into the 
>> track, but no dice. If somebody has it on their computer but doesn't have a 
>> lot of experience, maybe if they have more vision than I do they could still 
>> look at it and help me out?
>> Thoughts?
>> Thanks
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requesting off list help with vm fusion

[Laurel and Stockard]

Hey guys,
I need somebody to help me out with an aspect of vm fusion, but I don't want on 
list help because what I need deals with the windows side of vm fusion, 
specifically running a certain screen reader on the windows side. Since this 
list is only for the mac side of vm fusion, I don't want to create a thread or 
discuss my specific questions here, I would however like to ask somebody who is 
experienced at running vm fusion, and dealing with screen reader solutions for 
the windows side, to privately email me at laurel.stock...@gmail.com
Also, since the discussion of the windows side of vm fusion is not appropriate 
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a more appropriate list for that topic?
Thanks so much
Laurel
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ordering voiceover voices on the mac

[Laurel and Stockard]

When moving through the voiceover utility or roter on the mac, selecting 
different voices, is there a way to order the voices in the order of your 
favorite, or the ones you would use the most, so it's easier to switch between 
them?
Also, how do you go about selecting a specific voice for a specific language? 
Right now the only way I know of is to only check one voice per language, other 
than English, that I use. But what if I want both a male and female voice?
Anyways, thoughts please?
I'd like to be able to go through the voices I use the most without having to 
rifle through the rest.
Laurel
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how does apple create it's voiceover voices?

[Laurel and Stockard]

Ok, sorry, but curiosity got the best of me. As my subject says, how does apple 
create it's voiceover voices?
I got to thinking about all the screen reader voices out there, particularly 
Apple's voiceover, but also JAWS, SAPI screen reader voices, NVDA, Window Eyes, 
etc. With regards to voiceover, I was looking at the large variety of voices 
that they've put out, both in different languages and just with in one 
language, take U.S. English, or French for example. How does a company like 
Apple build these voices? Does it totally rely on voice over actors that they 
record? Or is there some program out there that serves as the basis for their 
voices that they create?
Further, I got to thinking, if a person wanted to build their own voiceover 
compatible voice, say in English or another language, is that possible? And if 
it is possible, how would one go about it?

Sorry for my wondering curiosity, but I really am wondering now and I would 
love to learn more about this.
Thanks
Laurel
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Re: how does apple create it's voiceover voices?

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Oh that's cool, so I'm assuming that even for the different languages and all, 
they just hire a voice actor to say a bunch of stuff, and then they put it 
together into a voice? Cool! I'd love to do something like that. :-) lol
Laurel
On Dec 9, 2013, at 8:35 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:

> Yeah there's a video of it on YouTube, I think it actually shows how they 
> create the Alison voice that is now used in Mavericks.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 9, 2013, at 9:32 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>> 
>> If I’m not mistaken the voices for apple are made by Nuance. I recognize all 
>> of them from various apps and all of that that I’ve used over the year. the 
>> only exception is Alex. They put the voice actuer in a studio and had them 
>> read a lot of phrase and numbers and stuff. Iv’e done something similar and 
>> it’s not fun, but it is worth it in the end.
>> 
>> Take care.
>>> On Dec 9, 2013, at 6:25 PM, Laurel and Stockard  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ok, sorry, but curiosity got the best of me. As my subject says, how does 
>>> apple create it's voiceover voices?
>>> I got to thinking about all the screen reader voices out there, 
>>> particularly Apple's voiceover, but also JAWS, SAPI screen reader voices, 
>>> NVDA, Window Eyes, etc. With regards to voiceover, I was looking at the 
>>> large variety of voices that they've put out, both in different languages 
>>> and just with in one language, take U.S. English, or French for example. 
>>> How does a company like Apple build these voices? Does it totally rely on 
>>> voice over actors that they record? Or is there some program out there that 
>>> serves as the basis for their voices that they create?
>>> Further, I got to thinking, if a person wanted to build their own voiceover 
>>> compatible voice, say in English or another language, is that possible? And 
>>> if it is possible, how would one go about it?
>>> 
>>> Sorry for my wondering curiosity, but I really am wondering now and I would 
>>> love to learn more about this.
>>> Thanks
>>> Laurel
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Re: how does apple create it's voiceover voices?

[Laurel and Stockard]

That's true, but I would love to learn more about specifically how voices are 
recorded to build text to speach engines. One of my bucket list life dreams 
would be to work creating voiceover voices in other languages that I speak, 
like Hebrew for example.
Laurel
On Dec 9, 2013, at 8:49 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:

> It's probably a lot to do though…
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 9, 2013, at 9:40 PM, Laurel and Stockard  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Oh that's cool, so I'm assuming that even for the different languages and 
>> all, they just hire a voice actor to say a bunch of stuff, and then they put 
>> it together into a voice? Cool! I'd love to do something like that. :-) lol
>> Laurel
>>> On Dec 9, 2013, at 8:35 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah there's a video of it on YouTube, I think it actually shows how they 
>>> create the Alison voice that is now used in Mavericks.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 9, 2013, at 9:32 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> If I’m not mistaken the voices for apple are made by Nuance. I recognize 
>>>> all of them from various apps and all of that that I’ve used over the 
>>>> year. the only exception is Alex. They put the voice actuer in a studio 
>>>> and had them read a lot of phrase and numbers and stuff. Iv’e done 
>>>> something similar and it’s not fun, but it is worth it in the end.
>>>> 
>>>> Take care.
>>>>> On Dec 9, 2013, at 6:25 PM, Laurel and Stockard 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ok, sorry, but curiosity got the best of me. As my subject says, how does 
>>>>> apple create it's voiceover voices?
>>>>> I got to thinking about all the screen reader voices out there, 
>>>>> particularly Apple's voiceover, but also JAWS, SAPI screen reader voices, 
>>>>> NVDA, Window Eyes, etc. With regards to voiceover, I was looking at the 
>>>>> large variety of voices that they've put out, both in different languages 
>>>>> and just with in one language, take U.S. English, or French for example. 
>>>>> How does a company like Apple build these voices? Does it totally rely on 
>>>>> voice over actors that they record? Or is there some program out there 
>>>>> that serves as the basis for their voices that they create?
>>>>> Further, I got to thinking, if a person wanted to build their own 
>>>>> voiceover compatible voice, say in English or another language, is that 
>>>>> possible? And if it is possible, how would one go about it?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sorry for my wondering curiosity, but I really am wondering now and I 
>>>>> would love to learn more about this.
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Laurel
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voices for the mac, African American English dialect

[Laurel and Stockard]

Hey guys,
Sorry for all the questions tonight, I'm just doing a lot of computer work. 
Now, this'll be the last one, I promise. :-)
I know the subject sounds weird, but I have a friend who is looking for a voice 
for voiceover on the mac that speaks, in her words, more of an African American 
sounding dialect. You know, we have lots of voices out there from different 
dialects from the U.K. and even South African, Australian and Indian English. 
But I and my friend can't find any real American dialects, like what my 
friend's looking for in an African American dialect, or even a southern United 
States dialect.
Thoughts?
Thanks
Laurel
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Hebrew and voiceover/braille was Re: how does apple create it's voiceover voices?

[Laurel and Stockard]

Yeah, note I just changed the subject. :-) I love Hebrew, and it's slightly 
disappointing to me that there's no voiceover voice for Hebrew, and the mac 
doesn't support Hebrew braille. If they can do Arabic, they can do Hebrew. Do 
any of you ever see Apple adding additional languages like Hebrew in the 
future? Or could they be finished for the mean time adding new languages.
Laurel
On Dec 10, 2013, at 12:11 AM, meadowlark77  wrote:

> You speak Hebrew? Me, too. I'd love that.
> 
> Take care,
> 
> Brenda
> 
> mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
> ----- Original Message - 
> From: "Laurel and Stockard" 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 8:55 PM
> Subject: Re: how does apple create it's voiceover voices?
> 
> 
> That's true, but I would love to learn more about specifically how voices 
> are recorded to build text to speach engines. One of my bucket list life 
> dreams would be to work creating voiceover voices in other languages that I 
> speak, like Hebrew for example.
> Laurel
> On Dec 9, 2013, at 8:49 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
> 
>> It's probably a lot to do though…
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 9, 2013, at 9:40 PM, Laurel and Stockard 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh that's cool, so I'm assuming that even for the different languages and 
>>> all, they just hire a voice actor to say a bunch of stuff, and then they 
>>> put it together into a voice? Cool! I'd love to do something like that. 
>>> :-) lol
>>> Laurel
>>>> On Dec 9, 2013, at 8:35 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Yeah there's a video of it on YouTube, I think it actually shows how 
>>>> they create the Alison voice that is now used in Mavericks.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 9, 2013, at 9:32 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> If I’m not mistaken the voices for apple are made by Nuance. I 
>>>>> recognize all of them from various apps and all of that that I’ve used 
>>>>> over the year. the only exception is Alex. They put the voice actuer in 
>>>>> a studio and had them read a lot of phrase and numbers and stuff. Iv’e 
>>>>> done something similar and it’s not fun, but it is worth it in the end.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Take care.
>>>>>> On Dec 9, 2013, at 6:25 PM, Laurel and Stockard 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ok, sorry, but curiosity got the best of me. As my subject says, how 
>>>>>> does apple create it's voiceover voices?
>>>>>> I got to thinking about all the screen reader voices out there, 
>>>>>> particularly Apple's voiceover, but also JAWS, SAPI screen reader 
>>>>>> voices, NVDA, Window Eyes, etc. With regards to voiceover, I was 
>>>>>> looking at the large variety of voices that they've put out, both in 
>>>>>> different languages and just with in one language, take U.S. English, 
>>>>>> or French for example. How does a company like Apple build these 
>>>>>> voices? Does it totally rely on voice over actors that they record? Or 
>>>>>> is there some program out there that serves as the basis for their 
>>>>>> voices that they create?
>>>>>> Further, I got to thinking, if a person wanted to build their own 
>>>>>> voiceover compatible voice, say in English or another language, is 
>>>>>> that possible? And if it is possible, how would one go about it?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sorry for my wondering curiosity, but I really am wondering now and I 
>>>>>> would love to learn more about this.
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> Laurel
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Re: voices for the mac, African American English dialect

[Laurel and Stockard]

Hey, could you post a link to the voice stream website? I've never actually 
heard of them, and would like to check this out.
Laurel
On Dec 10, 2013, at 10:59 AM, meadowlark77  wrote:

> It's in the Voice Dream software. I bought that voice. The name is Saul. 
> He's good.
> 
> Take care,
> 
> Brenda
> 
> mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Caitlyn and Maggie" 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 7:12 AM
> Subject: Re: voices for the mac, African American English dialect
> 
> 
> I thought that there was at least one out there that had an african american 
> type inflection, but can’t remember right now which one it is..
> 
> without going to each speech company and having a listen again, I’m stumped, 
> though.  I think the name was Will or something like that.
> 
> hth,
> Cait
> 
> On Dec 10, 2013, at 1:03 AM, richie Gardenhire  
> wrote:
> 
>> I am sure that Apple and other companies will be looking for people to use 
>> as "sampler" voices for future, screenreader or text-to-speech programs. 
>> As an African-American, myself, I would like nothing better, male or 
>> female, although African-American female voices are probably harder to pin 
>> a dialect down because of different inflexions from various parts of the 
>> country.
>> 
>> Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 9, 2013, at 7:19 PM, Laurel and Stockard wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey guys,
>>> Sorry for all the questions tonight, I'm just doing a lot of computer 
>>> work. Now, this'll be the last one, I promise. :-)
>>> I know the subject sounds weird, but I have a friend who is looking for a 
>>> voice for voiceover on the mac that speaks, in her words, more of an 
>>> African American sounding dialect. You know, we have lots of voices out 
>>> there from different dialects from the U.K. and even South African, 
>>> Australian and Indian English. But I and my friend can't find any real 
>>> American dialects, like what my friend's looking for in an African 
>>> American dialect, or even a southern United States dialect.
>>> Thoughts?
>>> Thanks
>>> Laurel
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Re: requesting off list help with vm fusion

[Laurel and Stockard]

Hey Phill,
Thanks for that link, I wasn't sure where to go to search the archives, and I 
found this to be extremely helpful. I appreciate it. :-)
Laurel
On Dec 10, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:

> contact me at 
> philh...@gmail.com
> and I'll see what I can do.
> Please be specific as to the problem you are having, and be aware that many 
> questions have been answered already and a search of the archives for your 
> particular dilemma  can solve the problem.
> 
> www.mail-archive.com
> 
> is the place to start looking for answers. first, do a search for the list 
> "macvisionaries" , and then search that list for things like "fusion" "screen 
> readers" etc
> 
> 
> On Dec 9, 2013, at 6:49 PM, Laurel and Stockard  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hey guys,
>> I need somebody to help me out with an aspect of vm fusion, but I don't want 
>> on list help because what I need deals with the windows side of vm fusion, 
>> specifically running a certain screen reader on the windows side. Since this 
>> list is only for the mac side of vm fusion, I don't want to create a thread 
>> or discuss my specific questions here, I would however like to ask somebody 
>> who is experienced at running vm fusion, and dealing with screen reader 
>> solutions for the windows side, to privately email me at 
>> laurel.stock...@gmail.com
>> Also, since the discussion of the windows side of vm fusion is not 
>> appropriate for this list, would somebody, hopefully a list moderator, 
>> please direct me to a more appropriate list for that topic?
>> Thanks so much
>> Laurel
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can programs designed for lenox also be used on OS 10 Maverick

[Laurel and Stockard]

So, I'm looking at an open source program that would help me with learning 
another language. Here's the thing, it says the program is for windows or 
lennox though, but, I've been told that Lenox is pretty similar to actual OS 10 
Mavericks. So, as my subject line says, could an open source program written 
and designed to work on lenox also work on OS 10 Mavericks? Would it hurt to 
download it and try? Or would it be totally nonworkable.
Laurel
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Re: Hebrew and voiceover/braille was Re: how does apple create it'svoiceover voices?

[Laurel and Stockard]

Hey guys, those of you interested in Hebrew, I'm pretty sure there's a few, I 
learned something today.
There's an open source speech to text engine that is configured to read Israeli 
Hebrew. It's called Qaryan Hebrew TTS. Now, here's what I know. It's free to 
download and like I said, open source. I do not know yet if it works with 
voiceover, but I imagine it probably could with some initial work and testing. 
Here's the other thing, it's initially configured to run off of linux for the 
mac, or windows. I think it can be worked for OS 10 also, but can't tell yet. 
Now, would any of you who want to ultimately have a Hebrew screen reading voice 
that works with voiceover wanna work with me to try and see if we could ever 
make this Qaryan Hebrew TTS thing work? I'd bet that if we got our heads 
together, we could work it out alright and then we'd have ourselves a Hebrew 
voice for voiceover.
Anybody interested?
Laurel
On Dec 10, 2013, at 12:48 AM, meadowlark77  wrote:

> I'm with you there. Hebrew would be beautiful with our iPhone. Why not?
> 
> Take care,
> 
> Brenda
> 
> mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Laurel and Stockard" 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 12:20 AM
> Subject: Hebrew and voiceover/braille was Re: how does apple create 
> it'svoiceover voices?
> 
> 
> Yeah, note I just changed the subject. :-) I love Hebrew, and it's slightly 
> disappointing to me that there's no voiceover voice for Hebrew, and the mac 
> doesn't support Hebrew braille. If they can do Arabic, they can do Hebrew. 
> Do any of you ever see Apple adding additional languages like Hebrew in the 
> future? Or could they be finished for the mean time adding new languages.
> Laurel
> On Dec 10, 2013, at 12:11 AM, meadowlark77  wrote:
> 
>> You speak Hebrew? Me, too. I'd love that.
>> 
>> Take care,
>> 
>> Brenda
>> 
>> mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Laurel and Stockard" 
>> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 8:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: how does apple create it's voiceover voices?
>> 
>> 
>> That's true, but I would love to learn more about specifically how voices
>> are recorded to build text to speach engines. One of my bucket list life
>> dreams would be to work creating voiceover voices in other languages that 
>> I
>> speak, like Hebrew for example.
>> Laurel
>> On Dec 9, 2013, at 8:49 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
>> 
>>> It's probably a lot to do though…
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 9, 2013, at 9:40 PM, Laurel and Stockard
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Oh that's cool, so I'm assuming that even for the different languages 
>>>> and
>>>> all, they just hire a voice actor to say a bunch of stuff, and then they
>>>> put it together into a voice? Cool! I'd love to do something like that.
>>>> :-) lol
>>>> Laurel
>>>>> On Dec 9, 2013, at 8:35 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yeah there's a video of it on YouTube, I think it actually shows how
>>>>> they create the Alison voice that is now used in Mavericks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 9, 2013, at 9:32 PM, Sarah k Alawami  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If I’m not mistaken the voices for apple are made by Nuance. I
>>>>>> recognize all of them from various apps and all of that that I’ve used
>>>>>> over the year. the only exception is Alex. They put the voice actuer 
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> a studio and had them read a lot of phrase and numbers and stuff. Iv’e
>>>>>> done something similar and it’s not fun, but it is worth it in the 
>>>>>> end.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Take care.
>>>>>>> On Dec 9, 2013, at 6:25 PM, Laurel and Stockard
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ok, sorry, but curiosity got the best of me. As my subject says, how
>>>>>>> does apple create it's voiceover voices?
>>>>>>> I got to thinking about all the screen reader voices out there,
>>>>>>> particularly Apple's voiceover, but also JAWS, SAPI screen reader
>>>

Re: can programs designed for lenox also be used on OS 10 Maverick

[Laurel and Stockard]

Hey Chris, thanks for the info. I think I can maybe make this work, I spose 
we'll see. I'm still doing some checking, but I appreciate the resources you 
gave me, their great! And yeah, I realized it's Linux l i n u x after I emailed 
the list. :-D
Hopefully, I can figure out how to make this work ok. :-)
Laurel
On Dec 10, 2013, at 7:09 PM, Christopher gilland  
wrote:

> Laurel,
> 
> first off, let's not confuse people.  The O S is Linux, not Linox.  It's l i 
> n u x, not l i n o x.
> 
> Secondly, it's definitely something that you could try.  It depends on what 
> libraries it needs to work, and if all of them are in the correct location, 
> (usually /usr/bin.) some will be in /var or in /etc, although most in 
> /usr/bin.  As long as they're there, there is a chance.  Notice, I did say, 
> a, chance.  It's honestly kind of hard to say.  Here's something though you 
> could try if nothing else.  go to:
> 
> http://www.macports.com
> 
> What this site basically is, is a repository of aps which have deliveretly 
> been ported over to work in Terminal on the Mac.  These apps normally were 
> designed to run on Linux.
> 
> the other thing too about this is, if you don't find a macports for it, and 
> have to install it yourself, depending on the package, you might have to 
> build and compile it from source, which, if you don't have make installed, 
> (type "which make" at the prompt to find out,) then it may not work.  I 
> suppose you could try sudo apt-get install make, but don't count on it. Keep 
> in mind that trying to do sudo apt-get install YourPackageName probably isn't 
> gonna work.  this is because /etc/apt/sources.list is probably totally 
> different from the repos you'd find in a Linux distro like Ubuntu/Debian, or 
> Fedora, etc.  So yeah...
> 
> In summation, it's possible, but don't hold your breath to it.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Laurel and Stockard" 
> 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 6:05 PM
> Subject: can programs designed for lenox also be used on OS 10 Maverick
> 
> 
>> So, I'm looking at an open source program that would help me with learning 
>> another language. Here's the thing, it says the program is for windows or 
>> lennox though, but, I've been told that Lenox is pretty similar to actual OS 
>> 10 Mavericks. So, as my subject line says, could an open source program 
>> written and designed to work on lenox also work on OS 10 Mavericks? Would it 
>> hurt to download it and try? Or would it be totally nonworkable.
>> Laurel
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Re: can programs designed for lenox also be used on OS 10 Maverick

[Laurel and Stockard]

Chris, stupid question but I can't figure this out. How can I find out what 
location the program's libraries are in? I'm sure the answer is really obvious, 
and that I'm probably over thinking this, but yeah. lol
Laurel
On Dec 10, 2013, at 7:09 PM, Christopher gilland  
wrote:

> Laurel,
> 
> first off, let's not confuse people.  The O S is Linux, not Linox.  It's l i 
> n u x, not l i n o x.
> 
> Secondly, it's definitely something that you could try.  It depends on what 
> libraries it needs to work, and if all of them are in the correct location, 
> (usually /usr/bin.) some will be in /var or in /etc, although most in 
> /usr/bin.  As long as they're there, there is a chance.  Notice, I did say, 
> a, chance.  It's honestly kind of hard to say.  Here's something though you 
> could try if nothing else.  go to:
> 
> http://www.macports.com
> 
> What this site basically is, is a repository of aps which have deliveretly 
> been ported over to work in Terminal on the Mac.  These apps normally were 
> designed to run on Linux.
> 
> the other thing too about this is, if you don't find a macports for it, and 
> have to install it yourself, depending on the package, you might have to 
> build and compile it from source, which, if you don't have make installed, 
> (type "which make" at the prompt to find out,) then it may not work.  I 
> suppose you could try sudo apt-get install make, but don't count on it. Keep 
> in mind that trying to do sudo apt-get install YourPackageName probably isn't 
> gonna work.  this is because /etc/apt/sources.list is probably totally 
> different from the repos you'd find in a Linux distro like Ubuntu/Debian, or 
> Fedora, etc.  So yeah...
> 
> In summation, it's possible, but don't hold your breath to it.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Laurel and Stockard" 
> 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 6:05 PM
> Subject: can programs designed for lenox also be used on OS 10 Maverick
> 
> 
>> So, I'm looking at an open source program that would help me with learning 
>> another language. Here's the thing, it says the program is for windows or 
>> lennox though, but, I've been told that Lenox is pretty similar to actual OS 
>> 10 Mavericks. So, as my subject line says, could an open source program 
>> written and designed to work on lenox also work on OS 10 Mavericks? Would it 
>> hurt to download it and try? Or would it be totally nonworkable.
>> Laurel
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Re: can programs designed for lenox also be used on OS 10 Maverick

[Laurel and Stockard]

I actually don't have a physical package for this, it's an open source text to 
speech engine that I downloaded for free. The files are mostly in the unix 
executable file type. It's possible that I could open these with terminal, 
would you recommend I try that?
I figure if I screw up, I can just take this off my computer and start over 
again. :-)
Laurel
On Dec 10, 2013, at 7:36 PM, Christopher gilland  
wrote:

> Your best bet is to look at the packages documentation.
> 
> If you've gotten it installed, out of pure chance, you can look at the man 
> page, and that should tell you.  the other thing you can also do is figure 
> out what dependencies it needs which again should be in the pkg's docks. 
> Otherwise, if you got it installed and are just wonderring, you can try 
> typing "which PackageName."  Actually though, that may only tell you where 
> the actual binaries are.  I don't think that specifically tells you it's 
> deps.  I think there is a way with apt to get the list of dependencies 
> provided it's in one of your apt repositories, but I don't remember the 
> argument to pass through apt to do that.  You might be able to pipe a command 
> through grep and figure it out.  Not knowing the package, nor having the 
> documentation in front of me, it's kind of hard to really guide you 
> specifically.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Laurel and Stockard" 
> 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 8:23 PM
> Subject: Re: can programs designed for lenox also be used on OS 10 Maverick
> 
> 
>> Chris, stupid question but I can't figure this out. How can I find out what 
>> location the program's libraries are in? I'm sure the answer is really 
>> obvious, and that I'm probably over thinking this, but yeah. lol
>> Laurel
>> On Dec 10, 2013, at 7:09 PM, Christopher gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Laurel,
>>> 
>>> first off, let's not confuse people.  The O S is Linux, not Linox.  It's l 
>>> i n u x, not l i n o x.
>>> 
>>> Secondly, it's definitely something that you could try.  It depends on what 
>>> libraries it needs to work, and if all of them are in the correct location, 
>>> (usually /usr/bin.) some will be in /var or in /etc, although most in 
>>> /usr/bin.  As long as they're there, there is a chance.  Notice, I did say, 
>>> a, chance.  It's honestly kind of hard to say.  Here's something though you 
>>> could try if nothing else.  go to:
>>> 
>>> http://www.macports.com
>>> 
>>> What this site basically is, is a repository of aps which have deliveretly 
>>> been ported over to work in Terminal on the Mac.  These apps normally were 
>>> designed to run on Linux.
>>> 
>>> the other thing too about this is, if you don't find a macports for it, and 
>>> have to install it yourself, depending on the package, you might have to 
>>> build and compile it from source, which, if you don't have make installed, 
>>> (type "which make" at the prompt to find out,) then it may not work.  I 
>>> suppose you could try sudo apt-get install make, but don't count on it. 
>>> Keep in mind that trying to do sudo apt-get install YourPackageName 
>>> probably isn't gonna work.  this is because /etc/apt/sources.list is 
>>> probably totally different from the repos you'd find in a Linux distro like 
>>> Ubuntu/Debian, or Fedora, etc.  So yeah...
>>> 
>>> In summation, it's possible, but don't hold your breath to it.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Laurel and Stockard" 
>>> 
>>> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 6:05 PM
>>> Subject: can programs designed for lenox also be used on OS 10 Maverick
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> So, I'm looking at an open source program that would help me with learning 
>>>> another language. Here's the thing, it says the program is for windows or 
>>>> lennox though, but, I've been told that Lenox is pretty similar to actual 
>>>> OS 10 Mavericks. So, as my subject line says, could an open source program 
>>>> written and designed to work on lenox also work on OS 10 Mavericks? Would 
>>>> it hurt to download it and try? Or would it be totally nonworkable.
>>>> Laurel
>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Acces

Re: how to install JAWS on a mac using VM fusion and windows 7

[Laurel And Stockard]

Thank you so much! So basically, what you're saying is that I should download 
it, find in the downloads folder and then proceed as normal and windows and the 
infusion will recognize it as a Windows program? I really appreciate the 
feedback, I just want make sure I'm doing this right. Thanks again,
Laurel

Laurel and Stockard

On Jan 26, 2013, at 20:47, Josh Gregory  wrote:

> You couldn't install it directly through Safari, you'd have to find it in the 
> downloads folder, but yes other than that to my knowledge it should work as 
> you described.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 26, 2013, at 9:39 PM, Laurel  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> I successfully set up vm fusion and installed windows 7 on it. I am
>> running a 64 bit version if it matters. As my subject line says, I
>> need help learning how to install JAWS on my windows side, through VM
>> fusion. This way I have a screen reader for when I need windows
>> programs. I am also wondering how to install microsoft word. I just
>> need some pointers to get me going in the right direction.
>> 
>> Can I open safari and go to install a program like JAWS and all like I
>> normally would on a PC? I seem to understand that if I install a
>> windows program through safari on my mac, like jaws or microsoft or
>> something, that VM fusion and windows would recognize that my program
>> is a windows program, and install it like such propperly. Is this
>> correct?
>> Some pointers would be appreciated,
>> thanks much,
>> Laurel
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