Re: Apple's Xcode tutorial

2014-01-10 Thread Jan Blüher, visorApps 
Hi Ray,

just some words about the iOS simulator. It is quite accessible. One can move 
around on the simulated screen with VoiceOver, observing its content. You can 
also press buttons, input text and such things. However, it seems that there is 
not always everything visible for VoiceOver on the screen and the feedback to 
user actions sometimes lacks quite a bit. So, it sometimes is a real pain to 
use the iOS simulator and I prefer to test on physical devices.

Greetings

Jan

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Am 09.01.2014 um 20:12 schrieb Ray Campbell :

> Hi:
> 
> There's also a textbook, "Beginning IOS Development" available on Kindle
> through the Kindle app that is pretty good.  I just completed a mobile app
> development class and as my time allows, I want to get more into the Apple
> Development and see if I can develop a few things.
> 
> Laurel, the thing I found totally unusable was the iPhone Simulator on
> XCode.  When you test your apps on XCode, a simulator comes up where a
> developer can test out the app functionality and see if things work.  I
> couldn't use that with VoiceOver.  So, I had to get myself over the fear of
> putting test software on my iPhone to test things.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Ray Campbell
> ray1...@wowway.com
> Skype Name: ray650315
> 
> Check out my blog at farmers-boy.livejournal.com
> Follow me on Twitter: twitter.com/packerbackerray
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> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Donal Fitzpatrick
> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 12:53 PM
> To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: Apple's Xcode tutorial
> 
> Hi Laurel and Jeff,
> 
> Sorry Laurel, I must have missed your original post over the Christmas
> period.  I more or less tuned out of all email for about two weeks.
> 
> I tried that tutorial a while back and got lost.  It’s probably my
> background and training, but I always seem to have more luck following books
> rather than tutorials.  If you’re a bookshare member, they have plenty of
> XCode stuff.  Indeed, all oreilly books are there by default.
> 
> Here’s an offer for you:  if you want to take a look on sites like:
> 
> www.oreilly.com
> www.informit.com
> www.apress.com
> www.bookshare.org
> 
> you might find books you find interesting.  The first thing I’d do is start
> by learning the Objective C language.  All cocoa apps are built on this, and
> a knowledge will help you.  Anyway back to my offer:  If you find books that
> you think might be of use, either post here or contact me offlist and I’ll
> happily take a look for you and tell you what I think.
> 
> I’ve not done app development, but I’ve written utilities for mac.  I’m a
> university academic who teaches programming (among other things) so I’ve
> needed to know the basics.  App/application development is my study gig for
> the next few months as I suspect I may get a course in mobile development to
> teach next year.
> 
> Definitely look at MV-Dev.  It’s a nice community and nobody gets flamed for
> asking anything.
> 
> Hope these ramblings help,
> 
> Dónal
> On 9 Jan 2014, at 18:37, Laurel and Stockard 
> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks, I applied to join the group. I appreciate this. I know there's
> gotta be a work around, just not sure what it is yet.
>> Laurel
>> On Jan 8, 2014, at 7:43 PM, Geoff Waaler  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Laurel and others,
>>> 
>>> In my experience, the silence was deafening when posting such questions
> here.  Once I received a private reply suggesting that I join the MV-DEV
> group.  Until recently, that sadly was a dead list, and I assumed that
> StoryBoards and InterfaceBuilder were pretty much unusable with VO.
> Recently, the MV-DEV list has come back to life, and apparently there are
> blind developers who are successfully exploiting these xCode features.  I
> have a lot to learn before I get out of lurking mode over there, but the one
> time I tried the tutorial I was totally lost and became discouraged before
> discovering a work-around.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, the link for the MV-DEV list is:
>>> 
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/mv-dev

RE: Apple's Xcode tutorial

2014-01-09 Thread Ray Campbell 
Hi:

There's also a textbook, "Beginning IOS Development" available on Kindle
through the Kindle app that is pretty good.  I just completed a mobile app
development class and as my time allows, I want to get more into the Apple
Development and see if I can develop a few things.

Laurel, the thing I found totally unusable was the iPhone Simulator on
XCode.  When you test your apps on XCode, a simulator comes up where a
developer can test out the app functionality and see if things work.  I
couldn't use that with VoiceOver.  So, I had to get myself over the fear of
putting test software on my iPhone to test things.

Thanks,


Ray Campbell
ray1...@wowway.com
Skype Name: ray650315

Check out my blog at farmers-boy.livejournal.com
Follow me on Twitter: twitter.com/packerbackerray
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-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Donal Fitzpatrick
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 12:53 PM
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Apple's Xcode tutorial

Hi Laurel and Jeff,

Sorry Laurel, I must have missed your original post over the Christmas
period.  I more or less tuned out of all email for about two weeks.

I tried that tutorial a while back and got lost.  It’s probably my
background and training, but I always seem to have more luck following books
rather than tutorials.  If you’re a bookshare member, they have plenty of
XCode stuff.  Indeed, all oreilly books are there by default.

Here’s an offer for you:  if you want to take a look on sites like:

www.oreilly.com
www.informit.com
www.apress.com
www.bookshare.org

you might find books you find interesting.  The first thing I’d do is start
by learning the Objective C language.  All cocoa apps are built on this, and
a knowledge will help you.  Anyway back to my offer:  If you find books that
you think might be of use, either post here or contact me offlist and I’ll
happily take a look for you and tell you what I think.

I’ve not done app development, but I’ve written utilities for mac.  I’m a
university academic who teaches programming (among other things) so I’ve
needed to know the basics.  App/application development is my study gig for
the next few months as I suspect I may get a course in mobile development to
teach next year.

Definitely look at MV-Dev.  It’s a nice community and nobody gets flamed for
asking anything.

Hope these ramblings help,

Dónal
On 9 Jan 2014, at 18:37, Laurel and Stockard 
wrote:

> Thanks, I applied to join the group. I appreciate this. I know there's
gotta be a work around, just not sure what it is yet.
> Laurel
> On Jan 8, 2014, at 7:43 PM, Geoff Waaler  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Laurel and others,
>> 
>> In my experience, the silence was deafening when posting such questions
here.  Once I received a private reply suggesting that I join the MV-DEV
group.  Until recently, that sadly was a dead list, and I assumed that
StoryBoards and InterfaceBuilder were pretty much unusable with VO.
Recently, the MV-DEV list has come back to life, and apparently there are
blind developers who are successfully exploiting these xCode features.  I
have a lot to learn before I get out of lurking mode over there, but the one
time I tried the tutorial I was totally lost and became discouraged before
discovering a work-around.
>> 
>> Anyway, the link for the MV-DEV list is:
>> 
>> http://groups.google.com/group/mv-dev
>> 
>> From recent activity, I would think you'll have much better luck if you
repost over there, and I will definitely follow the thread!!
>> 
>> Best regards.
>> Geoff
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Laurel and Stockard"

>> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 8:53 PM
>> Subject: Apple's Xcode tutorial
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi guys, so, I found a tutorial on starting out with Xcode by Apple. It
starts by having you create a simple to do list app. I've made it as far as
the "create storyboard" heading section, but now I'm stuck. Could somebody
who is good at Xcode/with voiceover take a look at this and help me get
unstuck? So far I've been able to make everything work well with voiceover.
Here is the link
https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/referencelibrary/GettingStarted/Road
MapiOS/FirstTutorial.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40011343-CH3-SW1
>>> 
>>> So, if somebody could give me some voiceover tutorials for creating
storyboards and working with that and the next sections of the tutorial, I'd
appreciate it. I'd also appreciate knowing what you guys think of this
tutorial as a whole, helpful, or not.
>>> Thanks
>>> Laurel
>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --->
>>>

Re: Apple's Xcode tutorial

2014-01-09 Thread Donal Fitzpatrick 
Hi Laurel and Jeff,

Sorry Laurel, I must have missed your original post over the Christmas period.  
I more or less tuned out of all email for about two weeks.

I tried that tutorial a while back and got lost.  It’s probably my background 
and training, but I always seem to have more luck following books rather than 
tutorials.  If you’re a bookshare member, they have plenty of XCode stuff.  
Indeed, all oreilly books are there by default.

Here’s an offer for you:  if you want to take a look on sites like:

www.oreilly.com
www.informit.com
www.apress.com
www.bookshare.org

you might find books you find interesting.  The first thing I’d do is start by 
learning the Objective C language.  All cocoa apps are built on this, and a 
knowledge will help you.  Anyway back to my offer:  If you find books that you 
think might be of use, either post here or contact me offlist and I’ll happily 
take a look for you and tell you what I think.

I’ve not done app development, but I’ve written utilities for mac.  I’m a 
university academic who teaches programming (among other things) so I’ve needed 
to know the basics.  App/application development is my study gig for the next 
few months as I suspect I may get a course in mobile development to teach next 
year.

Definitely look at MV-Dev.  It’s a nice community and nobody gets flamed for 
asking anything.

Hope these ramblings help,

Dónal
On 9 Jan 2014, at 18:37, Laurel and Stockard  wrote:

> Thanks, I applied to join the group. I appreciate this. I know there's gotta 
> be a work around, just not sure what it is yet.
> Laurel
> On Jan 8, 2014, at 7:43 PM, Geoff Waaler  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Laurel and others,
>> 
>> In my experience, the silence was deafening when posting such questions 
>> here.  Once I received a private reply suggesting that I join the MV-DEV 
>> group.  Until recently, that sadly was a dead list, and I assumed that 
>> StoryBoards and InterfaceBuilder were pretty much unusable with VO. 
>> Recently, the MV-DEV list has come back to life, and apparently there are 
>> blind developers who are successfully exploiting these xCode features.  I 
>> have a lot to learn before I get out of lurking mode over there, but the one 
>> time I tried the tutorial I was totally lost and became discouraged before 
>> discovering a work-around.
>> 
>> Anyway, the link for the MV-DEV list is:
>> 
>> http://groups.google.com/group/mv-dev
>> 
>> From recent activity, I would think you'll have much better luck if you 
>> repost over there, and I will definitely follow the thread!!
>> 
>> Best regards.
>> Geoff
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Laurel and Stockard" 
>> 
>> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 8:53 PM
>> Subject: Apple's Xcode tutorial
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi guys, so, I found a tutorial on starting out with Xcode by Apple. It 
>>> starts by having you create a simple to do list app. I've made it as far as 
>>> the "create storyboard" heading section, but now I'm stuck. Could somebody 
>>> who is good at Xcode/with voiceover take a look at this and help me get 
>>> unstuck? So far I've been able to make everything work well with voiceover. 
>>> Here is the link 
>>> https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/referencelibrary/GettingStarted/RoadMapiOS/FirstTutorial.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40011343-CH3-SW1
>>> 
>>> So, if somebody could give me some voiceover tutorials for creating 
>>> storyboards and working with that and the next sections of the tutorial, 
>>> I'd appreciate it. I'd also appreciate knowing what you guys think of this 
>>> tutorial as a whole, helpful, or not.
>>> Thanks
>>> Laurel
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Re: Apple's Xcode tutorial

2014-01-09 Thread Laurel and Stockard 
Thanks, I applied to join the group. I appreciate this. I know there's gotta be 
a work around, just not sure what it is yet.
Laurel
On Jan 8, 2014, at 7:43 PM, Geoff Waaler  wrote:

> Hi Laurel and others,
> 
> In my experience, the silence was deafening when posting such questions here. 
>  Once I received a private reply suggesting that I join the MV-DEV group.  
> Until recently, that sadly was a dead list, and I assumed that StoryBoards 
> and InterfaceBuilder were pretty much unusable with VO. Recently, the MV-DEV 
> list has come back to life, and apparently there are blind developers who are 
> successfully exploiting these xCode features.  I have a lot to learn before I 
> get out of lurking mode over there, but the one time I tried the tutorial I 
> was totally lost and became discouraged before discovering a work-around.
> 
> Anyway, the link for the MV-DEV list is:
> 
> http://groups.google.com/group/mv-dev
> 
> From recent activity, I would think you'll have much better luck if you 
> repost over there, and I will definitely follow the thread!!
> 
> Best regards.
> Geoff
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Laurel and Stockard" 
> 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 8:53 PM
> Subject: Apple's Xcode tutorial
> 
> 
>> Hi guys, so, I found a tutorial on starting out with Xcode by Apple. It 
>> starts by having you create a simple to do list app. I've made it as far as 
>> the "create storyboard" heading section, but now I'm stuck. Could somebody 
>> who is good at Xcode/with voiceover take a look at this and help me get 
>> unstuck? So far I've been able to make everything work well with voiceover. 
>> Here is the link 
>> https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/referencelibrary/GettingStarted/RoadMapiOS/FirstTutorial.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40011343-CH3-SW1
>> 
>> So, if somebody could give me some voiceover tutorials for creating 
>> storyboards and working with that and the next sections of the tutorial, I'd 
>> appreciate it. I'd also appreciate knowing what you guys think of this 
>> tutorial as a whole, helpful, or not.
>> Thanks
>> Laurel
>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --->
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Re: Apple's Xcode tutorial

2014-01-08 Thread Geoff Waaler 

Hi Laurel and others,

In my experience, the silence was deafening when posting such questions 
here.  Once I received a private reply suggesting that I join the MV-DEV 
group.  Until recently, that sadly was a dead list, and I assumed that 
StoryBoards and InterfaceBuilder were pretty much unusable with VO. 
Recently, the MV-DEV list has come back to life, and apparently there are 
blind developers who are successfully exploiting these xCode features.  I 
have a lot to learn before I get out of lurking mode over there, but the one 
time I tried the tutorial I was totally lost and became discouraged before 
discovering a work-around.


Anyway, the link for the MV-DEV list is:

http://groups.google.com/group/mv-dev

From recent activity, I would think you'll have much better luck if you 

repost over there, and I will definitely follow the thread!!

Best regards.
Geoff


- Original Message - 
From: "Laurel and Stockard" 

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 8:53 PM
Subject: Apple's Xcode tutorial


Hi guys, so, I found a tutorial on starting out with Xcode by Apple. It 
starts by having you create a simple to do list app. I've made it as far 
as the "create storyboard" heading section, but now I'm stuck. Could 
somebody who is good at Xcode/with voiceover take a look at this and help 
me get unstuck? So far I've been able to make everything work well with 
voiceover. Here is the link 
https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/referencelibrary/GettingStarted/RoadMapiOS/FirstTutorial.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40011343-CH3-SW1


So, if somebody could give me some voiceover tutorials for creating 
storyboards and working with that and the next sections of the tutorial, 
I'd appreciate it. I'd also appreciate knowing what you guys think of this 
tutorial as a whole, helpful, or not.

Thanks
Laurel
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Apple's Xcode tutorial

2014-01-06 Thread Laurel and Stockard 
Hi guys, so, I found a tutorial on starting out with Xcode by Apple. It starts 
by having you create a simple to do list app. I've made it as far as the 
"create storyboard" heading section, but now I'm stuck. Could somebody who is 
good at Xcode/with voiceover take a look at this and help me get unstuck? So 
far I've been able to make everything work well with voiceover. Here is the 
link 
https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/referencelibrary/GettingStarted/RoadMapiOS/FirstTutorial.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40011343-CH3-SW1

So, if somebody could give me some voiceover tutorials for creating storyboards 
and working with that and the next sections of the tutorial, I'd appreciate it. 
I'd also appreciate knowing what you guys think of this tutorial as a whole, 
helpful, or not.
Thanks
Laurel
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