Re: [Mac-access]: Google Chrome

2015-02-05 Thread Bryan Jones
Regarding the problems using VO+Arrow keys to move through web pages in Chrome 
under Yosemite, we’ve had some discussion about this on Google’s general 
accessibility mailing list, and Victor at Google has opened the following 
ticket:
Issue 455118 - chromium - [A11Y] VoiceOver gets stuck on web pages while 
navigating with VoiceOver cursor keys.

HTH,
Bryan

On Jan 30, 2015, at 12:09 AM, Lovette Yewchan lyewc...@telus.net wrote:
 I used to be able to tab and/or vo left or right arrow to go through the page 
 and read more than the links.
 I could interact with areas but now I get very little info at a time.
 Maybe a line or two at the most.

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Re: [Mac-access]: Google Chrome

2015-02-01 Thread Sean Murphy
Not yet, I have to fix my VMWare before I can upgrade.
On 1 Feb 2015, at 6:32 pm, christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com 
wrote:

 Safari now allows you to navigate web pages using standalone arrow keys. Just 
 turn QuickNav off and check it out.
 On 1 Feb 2015, at 02:45, Sean Murphy smur7...@bigpond.net.au wrote:
 
 This is why I don’t like the VO approach to web pages. All other approaches 
 treat the page as a document. Thus you just need to use your arrow keys to 
 navigate and not interact with frames, tables, etc.
 
 Simple pages in safari work fine. It becomes real difficult when you have a 
 complex pages.
 
 Sean 
 On 1 Feb 2015, at 3:17 am, Travis Siegel tsie...@softcon.com wrote:
 
 Oh, this is normal, it's likely a result of changes in webkit (the browser 
 code most osx browsers use to render their content).
 When I was using leopard, there were several web pages that rendered just 
 fine.  Upon upgrading to snowleopard, many of these sites got modified to 
 use tables instead.  This is not a good thing in my opinion, because it 
 takes more interacting, less control over what gets read, and more 
 navigational commands to get through the pages.  Needless to say, I wasn't 
 happy.
 Unfortunately, my imac isn't new enough to upgrade any further, so I'm 
 stuck until I can obtain a newer mac.  Perhaps your issues are similarly 
 related.
 
 On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:46 PM, Bryan Jones wrote:
 
 Can you provide some more details so we can try to reproduce what you are 
 finding? For example, can you provide links to some websites where you are 
 experiencing these “collapsed things,” and maybe describe the differences 
 between how you used to be able to read the pages more easily and how it 
 is different now?
 
 On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:04 PM, Lovette Yewchan lyewc...@telus.net wrote:
 One thing I am noticing is that there are a lot of collapsed things and I 
 cannot read the pages as easily as before.
 
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Re: [Mac-access]: Google Chrome

2015-02-01 Thread Travis Siegel
I know folks don't agree, but I don't use anything but groups mode,  It's so 
much easier, considerably fewer keystrokes to accomplish things, and I get to 
read large blocks of text all at once, something not possible when using dom 
mode, and since I read a lot of ebooks in html, that's extremely important for 
me.
I can't stand dom mode, it takes me 3 times as long to do anything useful, 
because I have to work so hard to actually find the piece of the web page I 
need.
Of course, everyone should use what's comfortable for them, and unfortunately, 
I can't test chrome on this machine, but if it works in groups mode, I'd likely 
report it's working. *grin*

But, anyhow, typically when something like this happens, apple and the other 
company need to go back and forth a few times before things get ironed out.  I 
expect it will get solved eventually though.

On Jan 31, 2015, at 12:19 PM, David Griffith wrote:

 Webkit as I understand it unlrunderlies Safari code and not Chrome, though I 
 would be happy to be corrected.
 I don't quite understand why people are not seeing the obvious problem with 
 the latest Google Chrome as it is pretty clear it has been badly broken since 
 the last update,  and is unusable with Voiceover now using default dom view.  
 .
 Basically for example if you go to www.bbc.co.uk/news you will now find it is 
 impossible to read any news content with Voiceover using dom view. You can 
 only read element like headings etc. by tedious pressing of the tab button 
 with no ability to read any actual news content.
 
 If you turn Chrome Vox on then the news content does become readable with 
 that alternative screen reader but the previous accessibility which used to 
 be possible with Voiceover has been broken.
 
 There is a sort of workaround if you are comfortable switching to Groups 
 rather than dom mode of web navigation. Mysteriously then some text  of web 
 pages does become accessible to Voiceover but groups mode is not the most 
 intuitive of interfaces.
 
 Hopefully either accessibil...@apple.com and/or accessibil...@google.com can 
 sort something out which can help these difficulties.
 
 It would be nice if for once Google was proactive in its accessibility 
 testing rather than reacting to the problems which so called updates create.
 
 David Griffith
 
 On 31/01/2015 16:17, Travis Siegel wrote:
 Oh, this is normal, it's likely a result of changes in webkit (the browser 
 code most osx browsers use to render their content).
 When I was using leopard, there were several web pages that rendered just 
 fine.  Upon upgrading to snowleopard, many of these sites got modified to 
 use tables instead.  This is not a good thing in my opinion, because it 
 takes more interacting, less control over what gets read, and more 
 navigational commands to get through the pages.  Needless to say, I wasn't 
 happy.
 Unfortunately, my imac isn't new enough to upgrade any further, so I'm stuck 
 until I can obtain a newer mac.  Perhaps your issues are similarly related.
 
 On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:46 PM, Bryan Jones wrote:
 
 Can you provide some more details so we can try to reproduce what you are 
 finding? For example, can you provide links to some websites where you are 
 experiencing these “collapsed things,” and maybe describe the differences 
 between how you used to be able to read the pages more easily and how it is 
 different now?
 
 On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:04 PM, Lovette Yewchan lyewc...@telus.net wrote:
 One thing I am noticing is that there are a lot of collapsed things and I 
 cannot read the pages as easily as before.
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Re: [Mac-access]: Google Chrome

2015-01-31 Thread Travis Siegel
Oh, this is normal, it's likely a result of changes in webkit (the browser code 
most osx browsers use to render their content).
When I was using leopard, there were several web pages that rendered just fine. 
 Upon upgrading to snowleopard, many of these sites got modified to use tables 
instead.  This is not a good thing in my opinion, because it takes more 
interacting, less control over what gets read, and more navigational commands 
to get through the pages.  Needless to say, I wasn't happy.
Unfortunately, my imac isn't new enough to upgrade any further, so I'm stuck 
until I can obtain a newer mac.  Perhaps your issues are similarly related.

On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:46 PM, Bryan Jones wrote:

 Can you provide some more details so we can try to reproduce what you are 
 finding? For example, can you provide links to some websites where you are 
 experiencing these “collapsed things,” and maybe describe the differences 
 between how you used to be able to read the pages more easily and how it is 
 different now?
 
 On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:04 PM, Lovette Yewchan lyewc...@telus.net wrote:
 One thing I am noticing is that there are a lot of collapsed things and I 
 cannot read the pages as easily as before.
 
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Re: [Mac-access]: Google Chrome

2015-01-31 Thread David Griffith
Webkit as I understand it unlrunderlies Safari code and not Chrome, 
though I would be happy to be corrected.
I don't quite understand why people are not seeing the obvious problem 
with the latest Google Chrome as it is pretty clear it has been badly 
broken since the last update,  and is unusable with Voiceover now using 
default dom view.  .
Basically for example if you go to www.bbc.co.uk/news you will now find 
it is impossible to read any news content with Voiceover using dom view. 
You can only read element like headings etc. by tedious pressing of the 
tab button with no ability to read any actual news content.


If you turn Chrome Vox on then the news content does become readable 
with that alternative screen reader but the previous accessibility which 
used to be possible with Voiceover has been broken.


There is a sort of workaround if you are comfortable switching to Groups 
rather than dom mode of web navigation. Mysteriously then some text  of 
web pages does become accessible to Voiceover but groups mode is not the 
most intuitive of interfaces.


Hopefully either accessibil...@apple.com and/or accessibil...@google.com 
can sort something out which can help these difficulties.


It would be nice if for once Google was proactive in its accessibility 
testing rather than reacting to the problems which so called updates 
create.


David Griffith

On 31/01/2015 16:17, Travis Siegel wrote:

Oh, this is normal, it's likely a result of changes in webkit (the browser code 
most osx browsers use to render their content).
When I was using leopard, there were several web pages that rendered just fine. 
 Upon upgrading to snowleopard, many of these sites got modified to use tables 
instead.  This is not a good thing in my opinion, because it takes more 
interacting, less control over what gets read, and more navigational commands 
to get through the pages.  Needless to say, I wasn't happy.
Unfortunately, my imac isn't new enough to upgrade any further, so I'm stuck 
until I can obtain a newer mac.  Perhaps your issues are similarly related.

On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:46 PM, Bryan Jones wrote:


Can you provide some more details so we can try to reproduce what you are 
finding? For example, can you provide links to some websites where you are 
experiencing these “collapsed things,” and maybe describe the differences 
between how you used to be able to read the pages more easily and how it is 
different now?

On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:04 PM, Lovette Yewchan lyewc...@telus.net wrote:

One thing I am noticing is that there are a lot of collapsed things and I 
cannot read the pages as easily as before.

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Re: [Mac-access]: Google Chrome

2015-01-31 Thread Chris Moore
It uses chromium which is a fork of WebKit 

Sent from my iPhone

 On 31 Jan 2015, at 17:19, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Webkit as I understand it unlrunderlies Safari code and not Chrome, though I 
 would be happy to be corrected.
 I don't quite understand why people are not seeing the obvious problem with 
 the latest Google Chrome as it is pretty clear it has been badly broken since 
 the last update,  and is unusable with Voiceover now using default dom view.  
 .
 Basically for example if you go to www.bbc.co.uk/news you will now find it is 
 impossible to read any news content with Voiceover using dom view. You can 
 only read element like headings etc. by tedious pressing of the tab button 
 with no ability to read any actual news content.
 
 If you turn Chrome Vox on then the news content does become readable with 
 that alternative screen reader but the previous accessibility which used to 
 be possible with Voiceover has been broken.
 
 There is a sort of workaround if you are comfortable switching to Groups 
 rather than dom mode of web navigation. Mysteriously then some text  of web 
 pages does become accessible to Voiceover but groups mode is not the most 
 intuitive of interfaces.
 
 Hopefully either accessibil...@apple.com and/or accessibil...@google.com can 
 sort something out which can help these difficulties.
 
 It would be nice if for once Google was proactive in its accessibility 
 testing rather than reacting to the problems which so called updates create.
 
 David Griffith
 
 On 31/01/2015 16:17, Travis Siegel wrote:
 Oh, this is normal, it's likely a result of changes in webkit (the browser 
 code most osx browsers use to render their content).
 When I was using leopard, there were several web pages that rendered just 
 fine.  Upon upgrading to snowleopard, many of these sites got modified to 
 use tables instead.  This is not a good thing in my opinion, because it 
 takes more interacting, less control over what gets read, and more 
 navigational commands to get through the pages.  Needless to say, I wasn't 
 happy.
 Unfortunately, my imac isn't new enough to upgrade any further, so I'm stuck 
 until I can obtain a newer mac.  Perhaps your issues are similarly related.
 
 On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:46 PM, Bryan Jones wrote:
 
 Can you provide some more details so we can try to reproduce what you are 
 finding? For example, can you provide links to some websites where you are 
 experiencing these “collapsed things,” and maybe describe the differences 
 between how you used to be able to read the pages more easily and how it is 
 different now?
 
 On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:04 PM, Lovette Yewchan lyewc...@telus.net wrote:
 One thing I am noticing is that there are a lot of collapsed things and I 
 cannot read the pages as easily as before.
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Re: [Mac-access]: Google Chrome

2015-01-31 Thread Bryan Jones
Thank you for providing an example website, David. My testing of the page you 
linked mirrored what I’ve been seeing on most other websites: The latest 
versions of both Chrome Stable and Chrome Canary work fine with VoiceOver under 
Mavericks 10.9.5, but those same versions of CHrome have a number of VoiceOver 
issues under all versions of Yosemite. This is one of several reasons why I 
have not yet upgraded my production Macs to Yosemite.

Systems tested:
2013 Macbook Air 11
2008 Macbook
OS X 10.9.5
OS X 10.10.2
Chrome Stable version 40.0.2214.94
Chrome Canary version 42.0.2292.0

-Bryan

On Jan 31, 2015, at 12:19 PM, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com wrote:
 I don't quite understand why people are not seeing the obvious problem with 
 the latest Google Chrome as it is pretty clear it has been badly broken since 
 the last update,  and is unusable with Voiceover now using default dom view.  
 .
 Basically for example if you go to www.bbc.co.uk/news you will now find it is 
 impossible to read any news content with Voiceover using dom view. You can 
 only read element like headings etc. by tedious pressing of the tab button 
 with no ability to read any actual news content.
 
 If you turn Chrome Vox on then the news content does become readable with 
 that alternative screen reader but the previous accessibility which used to 
 be possible with Voiceover has been broken.

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Re: [Mac-access]: Google Chrome

2015-01-31 Thread gs
Yes, I am seeing the same behavior under Yosemite with most sites.  This is 
especially frustrating because I wanted to use Chrome with Spotify since it 
doesn't seem to work with Safari.

On Jan 31, 2015, at 2:17 PM, Bryan Jones openses...@me.com wrote:

Thank you for providing an example website, David. My testing of the page you 
linked mirrored what I’ve been seeing on most other websites: The latest 
versions of both Chrome Stable and Chrome Canary work fine with VoiceOver under 
Mavericks 10.9.5, but those same versions of CHrome have a number of VoiceOver 
issues under all versions of Yosemite. This is one of several reasons why I 
have not yet upgraded my production Macs to Yosemite.

Systems tested:
2013 Macbook Air 11
2008 Macbook
OS X 10.9.5
OS X 10.10.2
Chrome Stable version 40.0.2214.94
Chrome Canary version 42.0.2292.0

-Bryan

On Jan 31, 2015, at 12:19 PM, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com wrote:
 I don't quite understand why people are not seeing the obvious problem with 
 the latest Google Chrome as it is pretty clear it has been badly broken since 
 the last update,  and is unusable with Voiceover now using default dom view.  
 .
 Basically for example if you go to www.bbc.co.uk/news you will now find it is 
 impossible to read any news content with Voiceover using dom view. You can 
 only read element like headings etc. by tedious pressing of the tab button 
 with no ability to read any actual news content.
 
 If you turn Chrome Vox on then the news content does become readable with 
 that alternative screen reader but the previous accessibility which used to 
 be possible with Voiceover has been broken.

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Re: [Mac-access]: Google Chrome

2015-01-31 Thread Sean Murphy
This is why I don’t like the VO approach to web pages. All other approaches 
treat the page as a document. Thus you just need to use your arrow keys to 
navigate and not interact with frames, tables, etc.

Simple pages in safari work fine. It becomes real difficult when you have a 
complex pages.

Sean 
On 1 Feb 2015, at 3:17 am, Travis Siegel tsie...@softcon.com wrote:

 Oh, this is normal, it's likely a result of changes in webkit (the browser 
 code most osx browsers use to render their content).
 When I was using leopard, there were several web pages that rendered just 
 fine.  Upon upgrading to snowleopard, many of these sites got modified to use 
 tables instead.  This is not a good thing in my opinion, because it takes 
 more interacting, less control over what gets read, and more navigational 
 commands to get through the pages.  Needless to say, I wasn't happy.
 Unfortunately, my imac isn't new enough to upgrade any further, so I'm stuck 
 until I can obtain a newer mac.  Perhaps your issues are similarly related.
 
 On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:46 PM, Bryan Jones wrote:
 
 Can you provide some more details so we can try to reproduce what you are 
 finding? For example, can you provide links to some websites where you are 
 experiencing these “collapsed things,” and maybe describe the differences 
 between how you used to be able to read the pages more easily and how it is 
 different now?
 
 On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:04 PM, Lovette Yewchan lyewc...@telus.net wrote:
 One thing I am noticing is that there are a lot of collapsed things and I 
 cannot read the pages as easily as before.
 
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Re: [Mac-access]: Google Chrome

2015-01-31 Thread christopher hallsworth
Safari now allows you to navigate web pages using standalone arrow keys. Just 
turn QuickNav off and check it out.
 On 1 Feb 2015, at 02:45, Sean Murphy smur7...@bigpond.net.au wrote:
 
 This is why I don’t like the VO approach to web pages. All other approaches 
 treat the page as a document. Thus you just need to use your arrow keys to 
 navigate and not interact with frames, tables, etc.
 
 Simple pages in safari work fine. It becomes real difficult when you have a 
 complex pages.
 
 Sean 
 On 1 Feb 2015, at 3:17 am, Travis Siegel tsie...@softcon.com wrote:
 
 Oh, this is normal, it's likely a result of changes in webkit (the browser 
 code most osx browsers use to render their content).
 When I was using leopard, there were several web pages that rendered just 
 fine.  Upon upgrading to snowleopard, many of these sites got modified to 
 use tables instead.  This is not a good thing in my opinion, because it 
 takes more interacting, less control over what gets read, and more 
 navigational commands to get through the pages.  Needless to say, I wasn't 
 happy.
 Unfortunately, my imac isn't new enough to upgrade any further, so I'm stuck 
 until I can obtain a newer mac.  Perhaps your issues are similarly related.
 
 On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:46 PM, Bryan Jones wrote:
 
 Can you provide some more details so we can try to reproduce what you are 
 finding? For example, can you provide links to some websites where you are 
 experiencing these “collapsed things,” and maybe describe the differences 
 between how you used to be able to read the pages more easily and how it is 
 different now?
 
 On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:04 PM, Lovette Yewchan lyewc...@telus.net wrote:
 One thing I am noticing is that there are a lot of collapsed things and I 
 cannot read the pages as easily as before.
 
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Re: [Mac-access]: Google Chrome

2015-01-31 Thread Scott Erichsen
Are you running Yosemite? You can now use your arrows on webpages.


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[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sean Murphy
Sent: Sunday, 1 February 2015 1:45 PM
To: OS X  iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: [Mac-access]: Google Chrome

This is why I don't like the VO approach to web pages. All other approaches
treat the page as a document. Thus you just need to use your arrow keys to
navigate and not interact with frames, tables, etc.

Simple pages in safari work fine. It becomes real difficult when you have a
complex pages.

Sean 
On 1 Feb 2015, at 3:17 am, Travis Siegel tsie...@softcon.com wrote:

 Oh, this is normal, it's likely a result of changes in webkit (the browser
code most osx browsers use to render their content).
 When I was using leopard, there were several web pages that rendered just
fine.  Upon upgrading to snowleopard, many of these sites got modified to
use tables instead.  This is not a good thing in my opinion, because it
takes more interacting, less control over what gets read, and more
navigational commands to get through the pages.  Needless to say, I wasn't
happy.
 Unfortunately, my imac isn't new enough to upgrade any further, so I'm
stuck until I can obtain a newer mac.  Perhaps your issues are similarly
related.
 
 On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:46 PM, Bryan Jones wrote:
 
 Can you provide some more details so we can try to reproduce what you are
finding? For example, can you provide links to some websites where you are
experiencing these collapsed things, and maybe describe the differences
between how you used to be able to read the pages more easily and how it is
different now?
 
 On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:04 PM, Lovette Yewchan lyewc...@telus.net wrote:
 One thing I am noticing is that there are a lot of collapsed things and
I cannot read the pages as easily as before.
 
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[Mac-access]: Google Chrome

2015-01-29 Thread Lovette Yewchan
Hi there.
Does anyone have any tips using google chrome with usenity and VO?
Thanks.

Lovette

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Re: [Mac-access]: Google Chrome

2015-01-29 Thread Lovette Yewchan
One thing I am noticing is that there are a lot of collapsed things and I 
cannot read the pages as easily as before.
Lovette

 On Jan 29, 2015, at 7:56 PM, Bryan Jones openses...@me.com wrote:
 
 Is there anything in particular you are wondering about? In my limited 
 testing of the latest version of Chrome under Yosemite 10.10.2, I’ve been 
 able to use the standard VO web navigation commands to move through pages 
 just as I would when navigating in Safari. There are, however, at least two 
 notable bugs as listed in Google ticket 439695. The first bug is that the web 
 rotor as accessed with the VO+U keystroke is completely non-functional. The 
 second issue is that the standard VO+Shift+Down Arrow keystroke fails to 
 interact with the HTML content. The simple workaround for this one is to use 
 the tab key to move VO focus into the web content. Note that neither of these 
 bugs exists when running the same version of Chrome under Mavericks.
 
 HTH,
 Bryan
 
 On Jan 29, 2015, at 2:23 PM, Lovette Yewchan lyewc...@telus.net wrote:
 Does anyone have any tips using google chrome with usenity and VO?
 
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Re: [Mac-access]: Google Chrome

2015-01-29 Thread Bryan Jones
Is there anything in particular you are wondering about? In my limited testing 
of the latest version of Chrome under Yosemite 10.10.2, I’ve been able to use 
the standard VO web navigation commands to move through pages just as I would 
when navigating in Safari. There are, however, at least two notable bugs as 
listed in Google ticket 439695. The first bug is that the web rotor as accessed 
with the VO+U keystroke is completely non-functional. The second issue is that 
the standard VO+Shift+Down Arrow keystroke fails to interact with the HTML 
content. The simple workaround for this one is to use the tab key to move VO 
focus into the web content. Note that neither of these bugs exists when running 
the same version of Chrome under Mavericks.

HTH,
Bryan

On Jan 29, 2015, at 2:23 PM, Lovette Yewchan lyewc...@telus.net wrote:
 Does anyone have any tips using google chrome with usenity and VO?

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Re: [Mac-access]: Google Chrome

2015-01-29 Thread Bryan Jones
Can you provide some more details so we can try to reproduce what you are 
finding? For example, can you provide links to some websites where you are 
experiencing these “collapsed things,” and maybe describe the differences 
between how you used to be able to read the pages more easily and how it is 
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On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:04 PM, Lovette Yewchan lyewc...@telus.net wrote:
 One thing I am noticing is that there are a lot of collapsed things and I 
 cannot read the pages as easily as before.

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Re: [Mac-access]: Google Chrome

2015-01-29 Thread Lovette Yewchan
It is on all web pages.
I used to be able to tab and/or vo left or right arrow to go through the page 
and read more than the links.
I could interact with areas but now I get very little info at a time.
Maybe a line or two at the most.On Jan 29, 2015, at 8:46 PM, Bryan Jones 
openses...@me.com wrote:
 
 Can you provide some more details so we can try to reproduce what you are 
 finding? For example, can you provide links to some websites where you are 
 experiencing these “collapsed things,” and maybe describe the differences 
 between how you used to be able to read the pages more easily and how it is 
 different now?
 
 On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:04 PM, Lovette Yewchan lyewc...@telus.net wrote:
 One thing I am noticing is that there are a lot of collapsed things and I 
 cannot read the pages as easily as before.
 
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Re: [Mac-access]: Google Chrome

2015-01-29 Thread Chris Moore
It's a known ARIA bug in the latest build. 

Sent from my iPhone

 On 30 Jan 2015, at 05:09, Lovette Yewchan lyewc...@telus.net wrote:
 
 It is on all web pages.
 I used to be able to tab and/or vo left or right arrow to go through the page 
 and read more than the links.
 I could interact with areas but now I get very little info at a time.
 Maybe a line or two at the most.On Jan 29, 2015, at 8:46 PM, Bryan Jones 
 openses...@me.com wrote:
 
 Can you provide some more details so we can try to reproduce what you are 
 finding? For example, can you provide links to some websites where you are 
 experiencing these “collapsed things,” and maybe describe the differences 
 between how you used to be able to read the pages more easily and how it is 
 different now?
 
 On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:04 PM, Lovette Yewchan lyewc...@telus.net wrote:
 One thing I am noticing is that there are a lot of collapsed things and I 
 cannot read the pages as easily as before.
 
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Re: Google Chrome on the Mac

2014-03-19 Thread Kristeen Hughes
Do you folks like Chrome better than Safari for the mac? I am having some 
trouble with Safari on pages I use a lot, and am wondering about trying Chrome.

Kristeen

On Mar 18, 2014, at 4:23 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote:

 I just installed Google Chrome on the MacBook Air.  Are there any tips and 
 tricks I should know about using it?  Any settings that would make it more 
 accessible?  I’ve already made it the default browser.
 Thanks.
 
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Re: Google Chrome on the Mac

2014-03-19 Thread isaac
What problems are you having with safari on the mac?On Mar 19, 2014, at 7:55 
AM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Do you folks like Chrome better than Safari for the mac? I am having some 
 trouble with Safari on pages I use a lot, and am wondering about trying 
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Re: Google Chrome on the Mac

2014-03-19 Thread isaac
No I don’tlike crome. I have had better luck with safari.
On Mar 19, 2014, at 7:55 AM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Do you folks like Chrome better than Safari for the mac? I am having some 
 trouble with Safari on pages I use a lot, and am wondering about trying 
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 Kristeen
 
 On Mar 18, 2014, at 4:23 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net 
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Adding page to bookmarks with Google Chrome

2014-03-19 Thread Juaanita Marttin
How do you add a page to bookmarks with G C ?

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Re: Google Chrome on the Mac

2014-03-19 Thread Kristeen Hughes
There are certain links that it does not show. I know they're there and with a 
Windows machine people see them. VO crashes a lot with Item chooser and 
sometimes just because. If I use the back button, it takes me to an entirely 
different area. It makes a site I'm using a lot right now almost unmanageable. 
I don't know if I have a configuration that should be changed or what, but 
there is some of it.

Kristeen

On Mar 19, 2014, at 9:26 AM, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:

 What problems are you having with safari on the mac?On Mar 19, 2014, at 7:55 
 AM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Do you folks like Chrome better than Safari for the mac? I am having some 
 trouble with Safari on pages I use a lot, and am wondering about trying 
 Chrome.
 
 Kristeen
 
 On Mar 18, 2014, at 4:23 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net 
 wrote:
 
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 tricks I should know about using it?  Any settings that would make it more 
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Re: Adding page to bookmarks with Google Chrome

2014-03-19 Thread isaac
Use the command d command to add bookmarks to google crome.
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 How do you add a page to bookmarks with G C ?
 
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Re: Google Chrome on the Mac

2014-03-19 Thread isaac
Have you tried using the rotor in safari to get to the links faster?
On Mar 19, 2014, at 8:44 AM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:

 There are certain links that it does not show. I know they're there and with 
 a Windows machine people see them. VO crashes a lot with Item chooser and 
 sometimes just because. If I use the back button, it takes me to an entirely 
 different area. It makes a site I'm using a lot right now almost 
 unmanageable. I don't know if I have a configuration that should be changed 
 or what, but there is some of it.
 
 Kristeen
 
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 9:26 AM, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 What problems are you having with safari on the mac?On Mar 19, 2014, at 7:55 
 AM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Do you folks like Chrome better than Safari for the mac? I am having some 
 trouble with Safari on pages I use a lot, and am wondering about trying 
 Chrome.
 
 Kristeen
 
 On Mar 18, 2014, at 4:23 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net 
 wrote:
 
 I just installed Google Chrome on the MacBook Air.  Are there any tips and 
 tricks I should know about using it?  Any settings that would make it more 
 accessible?  I’ve already made it the default browser.
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Re: Google Chrome on the Mac

2014-03-19 Thread Kristeen Hughes
The links don't show in Safari. There is supposed to be a lind after each name 
on a particular page, for example. Safaru simply doesn't see them.

Kristeen

On Mar 19, 2014, at 9:48 AM, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:

 Have you tried using the rotor in safari to get to the links faster?
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 8:44 AM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 There are certain links that it does not show. I know they're there and with 
 a Windows machine people see them. VO crashes a lot with Item chooser and 
 sometimes just because. If I use the back button, it takes me to an entirely 
 different area. It makes a site I'm using a lot right now almost 
 unmanageable. I don't know if I have a configuration that should be changed 
 or what, but there is some of it.
 
 Kristeen
 
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 9:26 AM, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 What problems are you having with safari on the mac?On Mar 19, 2014, at 
 7:55 AM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Do you folks like Chrome better than Safari for the mac? I am having some 
 trouble with Safari on pages I use a lot, and am wondering about trying 
 Chrome.
 
 Kristeen
 
 On Mar 18, 2014, at 4:23 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net 
 wrote:
 
 I just installed Google Chrome on the MacBook Air.  Are there any tips 
 and tricks I should know about using it?  Any settings that would make it 
 more accessible?  I’ve already made it the default browser.
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Re: Google Chrome on the Mac

2014-03-19 Thread isaac
My person preference until I see any problems happen is safari. I tried google 
crome on the mac and didn’t like it all.
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 I actually like both, and don’t have a personal preference at this point. But 
 then again maybe I will prefer one over the other  as time goes by. I’m going 
 to install ChromeVox on my Mac using the instructions provided earlier, and 
 see what I think of it. But I can tell you for certain that my sighted 
 life-skills tutor prefers Chrome over Safari any day. I guess one thing that 
 I find a bit interesting is that some links work just by hitting Enter, while 
 for others Enter doesn’t work and I have to hit VO Spacebar. One example of 
 this is when checking my work email and going through the Spam folder, Enter 
 does not work for opening that folder but it does work otherwise. My work 
 email account is a subdomain of Gmail. But perhaps that is just a VoiceOver 
 thing, one which I haven’t quite gotten used to. This applies to both 
 browsers.
 JAKE JOEHL
 jajo...@att.net
 
 
 
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 7:55 AM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Do you folks like Chrome better than Safari for the mac? I am having some 
 trouble with Safari on pages I use a lot, and am wondering about trying 
 Chrome.
 
 Kristeen
 
 On Mar 18, 2014, at 4:23 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net 
 wrote:
 
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 tricks I should know about using it?  Any settings that would make it more 
 accessible?  I’ve already made it the default browser.
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Re: Google Chrome on the Mac

2014-03-19 Thread JAKE JOEHL
I actually like both, and don’t have a personal preference at this point. But 
then again maybe I will prefer one over the other  as time goes by. I’m going 
to install ChromeVox on my Mac using the instructions provided earlier, and see 
what I think of it. But I can tell you for certain that my sighted life-skills 
tutor prefers Chrome over Safari any day. I guess one thing that I find a bit 
interesting is that some links work just by hitting Enter, while for others 
Enter doesn’t work and I have to hit VO Spacebar. One example of this is when 
checking my work email and going through the Spam folder, Enter does not work 
for opening that folder but it does work otherwise. My work email account is a 
subdomain of Gmail. But perhaps that is just a VoiceOver thing, one which I 
haven’t quite gotten used to. This applies to both browsers.
JAKE JOEHL
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 Do you folks like Chrome better than Safari for the mac? I am having some 
 trouble with Safari on pages I use a lot, and am wondering about trying 
 Chrome.
 
 Kristeen
 
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Google Chrome on the Mac

2014-03-18 Thread Juaanita Marttin
I just installed Google Chrome on the MacBook Air.  Are there any tips and 
tricks I should know about using it?  Any settings that would make it more 
accessible?  I’ve already made it the default browser.
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Re: Google Chrome on the Mac

2014-03-18 Thread Sarah k Alawami
I use chrome vox when needed.  It is an extension that runs when your screen 
reader si not needed but does not run in the address bar or the menu bar. it 
makes the page easier to use.

If not, then all voice over tricks and tips should still work in google chrome. 
I also love chrome but for the university's sake i do not use it as my default. 
it is pretty fast though and the team read the list I'm on to discuss chrome 
and its various accessibility issues.

Take care.
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Re: Google Chrome on the Mac

2014-03-18 Thread JAKE JOEHL
So if I’m using Chrome and just toggle VoiceOver off, will the other one start 
talking? Now you’ve peaked my interest, lol! I have been using Chrome on here 
along with Safari, and I actually like both. My life-skills tutor is the one 
who originally suggested I install Chrome on here. He is fully sighted and 
swears by it.
Jake
JAKE JOEHL
jajo...@att.net



On Mar 18, 2014, at 4:13 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:

 I use chrome vox when needed.  It is an extension that runs when your screen 
 reader si not needed but does not run in the address bar or the menu bar. it 
 makes the page easier to use.
 
 If not, then all voice over tricks and tips should still work in google 
 chrome. I also love chrome but for the university's sake i do not use it as 
 my default. it is pretty fast though and the team read the list I'm on to 
 discuss chrome and its various accessibility issues.
 
 Take care.
 On Mar 18, 2014, at 1:23 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net 
 wrote:
 
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Re: Google Chrome on the Mac

2014-03-18 Thread Sarah k Alawami
Nope.  You need to activate chrome vox. then voice over will just auto quick 
talking. I dunno how it works, but it works  if you want to use it. You do not 
have to though as chrome is getting way better and has been ever since I 
started using it in 2012.
On Mar 18, 2014, at 2:31 PM, JAKE JOEHL jajo...@att.net wrote:

 So if I’m using Chrome and just toggle VoiceOver off, will the other one 
 start talking? Now you’ve peaked my interest, lol! I have been using Chrome 
 on here along with Safari, and I actually like both. My life-skills tutor is 
 the one who originally suggested I install Chrome on here. He is fully 
 sighted and swears by it.
 Jake
 JAKE JOEHL
 jajo...@att.net
 
 
 
 On Mar 18, 2014, at 4:13 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I use chrome vox when needed.  It is an extension that runs when your screen 
 reader si not needed but does not run in the address bar or the menu bar. it 
 makes the page easier to use.
 
 If not, then all voice over tricks and tips should still work in google 
 chrome. I also love chrome but for the university's sake i do not use it as 
 my default. it is pretty fast though and the team read the list I'm on to 
 discuss chrome and its various accessibility issues.
 
 Take care.
 On Mar 18, 2014, at 1:23 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net 
 wrote:
 
 I just installed Google Chrome on the MacBook Air.  Are there any tips and 
 tricks I should know about using it?  Any settings that would make it more 
 accessible?  I’ve already made it the default browser.
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Re: Google Chrome on the Mac

2014-03-18 Thread Bryan Jones
I would second Sarah’s suggestion of installing the ChromeVox extension. If you 
visit www.chromevox.com you will find a link to install the extension, a guide 
to the chromevox keyboard shortcuts, and a nice interactive tutorial to help 
you get up and running quickly with ChromeVox.

HTH,
Bryan

On Mar 18, 2014, at 4:23 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote:
 I just installed Google Chrome on the MacBook Air.  Are there any tips and 
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Re: Google Chrome on the Mac

2014-03-18 Thread Juanita Martin
From where do you get Chrome Vox? 

sent from my phone
 


 On Mar 18, 2014, at 4:41 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Nope.  You need to activate chrome vox. then voice over will just auto quick 
 talking. I dunno how it works, but it works  if you want to use it. You do 
 not have to though as chrome is getting way better and has been ever since I 
 started using it in 2012.
 On Mar 18, 2014, at 2:31 PM, JAKE JOEHL jajo...@att.net wrote:
 
 So if I’m using Chrome and just toggle VoiceOver off, will the other one 
 start talking? Now you’ve peaked my interest, lol! I have been using Chrome 
 on here along with Safari, and I actually like both. My life-skills tutor is 
 the one who originally suggested I install Chrome on here. He is fully 
 sighted and swears by it.
 Jake
 JAKE JOEHL
 jajo...@att.net
 
 
 
 On Mar 18, 2014, at 4:13 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I use chrome vox when needed.  It is an extension that runs when your 
 screen reader si not needed but does not run in the address bar or the menu 
 bar. it makes the page easier to use.
 
 If not, then all voice over tricks and tips should still work in google 
 chrome. I also love chrome but for the university's sake i do not use it as 
 my default. it is pretty fast though and the team read the list I'm on to 
 discuss chrome and its various accessibility issues.
 
 Take care.
 On Mar 18, 2014, at 1:23 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net 
 wrote:
 
 I just installed Google Chrome on the MacBook Air.  Are there any tips 
 Nope.  You need to activate chrome vox. then voice over will just auto 
 quick talking. I dunno how it works, but it works  if you want to use it. 
 You do not have to though as chrome is getting way better and has been 
 ever since I started using it in 2012.
 On Mar 18, 2014, at 2:31 PM, JAKE JOEHL jajo...@att.net wrote:
 
 
 So if I’m using Chrome and just toggle VoiceOver off, will the other one 
 start talking? Now you’ve peaked my interest, lol! I have been using Chrome 
 on here along with Safari, and I actually like both. My life-skills tutor is 
 the one who originally suggested I install Chrome on here. He is fully 
 sighted and swears by it.
 Jake
 JAKE JOEHL
 jajo...@att.net
 
 
 
 On Mar 18, 2014, at 4:13 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I use chrome vox when needed.  It is an extension that runs when your 
 screen reader si not needed but does not run in the address bar or the menu 
 bar. it makes the page easier to use.
 
 If not, then all voice over tricks and tips should still work in google 
 chrome. I also love chrome but for the university's sake i do not use it as 
 my default. it is pretty fast though and the team read the list I'm on to 
 discuss chrome and its various accessibility issues.
 
 Take care.
 On Mar 18, 2014, at 1:23 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net 
 wrote:
 
 I just installed Google Chrome on the MacBook Air.  Are there any tips and 
 tricks I should know about using it?  Any settings that would make it more 
 accessible?  I’ve already made it the default browser.
 Thanks.
 
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Re: Google Chrome on the Mac

2014-03-18 Thread alberto
I think the link will give you that info too.
On Mar 18, 2014, at 4:57 PM, Juanita Martin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote:

 From where do you get Chrome Vox? 
 
 sent from my phone
 
 
 
 On Mar 18, 2014, at 4:41 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Nope.  You need to activate chrome vox. then voice over will just auto quick 
 talking. I dunno how it works, but it works  if you want to use it. You do 
 not have to though as chrome is getting way better and has been ever since I 
 started using it in 2012.
 On Mar 18, 2014, at 2:31 PM, JAKE JOEHL jajo...@att.net wrote:
 
 So if I’m using Chrome and just toggle VoiceOver off, will the other one 
 start talking? Now you’ve peaked my interest, lol! I have been using Chrome 
 on here along with Safari, and I actually like both. My life-skills tutor 
 is the one who originally suggested I install Chrome on here. He is fully 
 sighted and swears by it.
 Jake
 JAKE JOEHL
 jajo...@att.net
 
 
 
 On Mar 18, 2014, at 4:13 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I use chrome vox when needed.  It is an extension that runs when your 
 screen reader si not needed but does not run in the address bar or the 
 menu bar. it makes the page easier to use.
 
 If not, then all voice over tricks and tips should still work in google 
 chrome. I also love chrome but for the university's sake i do not use it 
 as my default. it is pretty fast though and the team read the list I'm on 
 to discuss chrome and its various accessibility issues.
 
 Take care.
 On Mar 18, 2014, at 1:23 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net 
 wrote:
 
 I just installed Google Chrome on the MacBook Air.  Are there any tips 
 Nope.  You need to activate chrome vox. then voice over will just auto 
 quick talking. I dunno how it works, but it works  if you want to use it. 
 You do not have to though as chrome is getting way better and has been 
 ever since I started using it in 2012.
 On Mar 18, 2014, at 2:31 PM, JAKE JOEHL jajo...@att.net wrote:
 
 
 So if I’m using Chrome and just toggle VoiceOver off, will the other one 
 start talking? Now you’ve peaked my interest, lol! I have been using Chrome 
 on here along with Safari, and I actually like both. My life-skills tutor 
 is the one who originally suggested I install Chrome on here. He is fully 
 sighted and swears by it.
 Jake
 JAKE JOEHL
 jajo...@att.net
 
 
 
 On Mar 18, 2014, at 4:13 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I use chrome vox when needed.  It is an extension that runs when your 
 screen reader si not needed but does not run in the address bar or the 
 menu bar. it makes the page easier to use.
 
 If not, then all voice over tricks and tips should still work in google 
 chrome. I also love chrome but for the university's sake i do not use it 
 as my default. it is pretty fast though and the team read the list I'm on 
 to discuss chrome and its various accessibility issues.
 
 Take care.
 On Mar 18, 2014, at 1:23 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net 
 wrote:
 
 I just installed Google Chrome on the MacBook Air.  Are there any tips 
 and tricks I should know about using it?  Any settings that would make it 
 more accessible?  I’ve already made it the default browser.
 Thanks.
 
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Google Chrome

2014-02-21 Thread Dane Trethowan
Hi!

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the past but not taken all that much notice.

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Mavericks? I know a little about how Chrome and its tools work given that I 
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Re: Google Chrome

2014-02-21 Thread JAKE JOEHL
I am running Google Chrome on my Mac Book Air. It seems to work great, although 
I’ve never actually used it with Chromevox. I assume this is the latest build 
but I’m not positive. I use Chrome and Safari interchangeably and like both. 
They both work very well with Voiceover.
Jake
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Re: Google Chrome

2014-02-21 Thread Sarah k Alawami
I also love  google chrome. I use it along with lightning and safari for my 
browsers. chrome  vox also is working pretty well.

Take care and be blessed.
On Feb 21, 2014, at 9:00 AM, JAKE JOEHL jajo...@att.net wrote:

 I am running Google Chrome on my Mac Book Air. It seems to work great, 
 although I’ve never actually used it with Chromevox. I assume this is the 
 latest build but I’m not positive. I use Chrome and Safari interchangeably 
 and like both. They both work very well with Voiceover.
 Jake
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 have a Samsung Chromebox but that's another story for another place and time.
 
 
 
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Re: Google Chrome

2014-02-21 Thread Dane Trethowan
Just installed it and I've been playing for the last half an hour, its nice and 
fast I have to admit though I'm going to have to play a little more and work 
out the subtle things like selecting items in list boxes and so on.


On 22 Feb 2014, at 5:33 am, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:

 I also love  google chrome. I use it along with lightning and safari for my 
 browsers. chrome  vox also is working pretty well.
 
 Take care and be blessed.
 On Feb 21, 2014, at 9:00 AM, JAKE JOEHL jajo...@att.net wrote:
 
 I am running Google Chrome on my Mac Book Air. It seems to work great, 
 although I’ve never actually used it with Chromevox. I assume this is the 
 latest build but I’m not positive. I use Chrome and Safari interchangeably 
 and like both. They both work very well with Voiceover.
 Jake
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 in the past but not taken all that much notice.
 
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 Mavericks? I know a little about how Chrome and its tools work given that I 
 have a Samsung Chromebox but that's another story for another place and 
 time.
 
 
 
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Re: Google Chrome

2014-02-21 Thread Chris H
The app is free and seems accessible when I last tried it. I prefer 
Safari though for some reason particularly the ticks when a page is loading.


Regards Chris

On 21/02/2014 21:19, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Stupid question I'm sure, is there a Google Chrome Browser App for IOS and has 
anyone tried it?


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Re: Google Chrome app

2013-12-30 Thread Glenn
I do have a correction,
The app is called Chrome Cast.
Glenn
- Original Message - 
From: Christopher gilland ch...@clgproductions.com
To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: Google Chrome app


Oh, you're talking about the Chromevox.  Yeah, I hear they're somewhat
decent.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Glenn glenner...@cableone.net
To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 12:06 AM
Subject: Google Chrome app


 Hi,
 I bought a couple of Google Chrome devices for family members, for Xmas,
 for
 35 dollars each at Amazon.
 There is a free Google Chrome app for the IOS devices, on the app store,
 called Google Chrome, and I am pleased to report that the device is at
 least
 indirectly usable by a Blind person using VoiceOver from their IOS device.
 There are two parts of setting it up, one is plugging it into your TV and
 then connecting to your router.
 This part is not doable by a Blind person, because TVs don't yet have
 screenreaders.
 The other part is to open the Google Chrome app on your IOS device, and
 you
 will find the Google Chrome device if you are connected to the same router
 it is connected to.
 A funny thing about this is, if someone is watching a program, you can
 change what they are watching from your device.
 You can watch content from your device, like videos and YouTube content,
 and
 NetFlix and other similar content.
 Since I don't have an Apple TV device, I cannot compare the two except to
 say that I suspect that a person using VoiceOver can probably set it up
 completely, where connecting the device to the router is not possible
 since
 it has no speakers, and no touch-screen and I don't think there would be a
 way to run TalkBack on it.

 Anyway, I hope some find this useful.
 Glenn

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Can't Print From Google Chrome From My Air

2013-12-29 Thread Eileens Misrahi
Hello Folks,

I need to print education certificates. I am using a Mac Air with Mountain Lion 
and Google Chrome. I brought up the contextual menu with VO-ShIFT-M and arrowed 
down to print... Now, Google Chrome just hangs there and says busy and I have 
not received a print copy, which needs to be submitted for my renewal. Am I 
missing a step? How can I correct this and go to the next item that I need to 
print? Any suggestion would be great.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers,
Eileen


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Re: Can't Print From Google Chrome From My Air

2013-12-29 Thread Sarah k Alawami
What happens if you hit cmd p on th page you want to print? does that work?

Good luck.
On Dec 29, 2013, at 10:52 AM, Eileens Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello Folks,
 
 I need to print education certificates. I am using a Mac Air with Mountain 
 Lion and Google Chrome. I brought up the contextual menu with VO-ShIFT-M and 
 arrowed down to print... Now, Google Chrome just hangs there and says busy 
 and I have not received a print copy, which needs to be submitted for my 
 renewal. Am I missing a step? How can I correct this and go to the next item 
 that I need to print? Any suggestion would be great.
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 Cheers,
 Eileen
 
 
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Google Chrome app

2013-12-29 Thread Glenn
Hi,
I bought a couple of Google Chrome devices for family members, for Xmas, for 
35 dollars each at Amazon.
There is a free Google Chrome app for the IOS devices, on the app store, 
called Google Chrome, and I am pleased to report that the device is at least 
indirectly usable by a Blind person using VoiceOver from their IOS device.
There are two parts of setting it up, one is plugging it into your TV and 
then connecting to your router.
This part is not doable by a Blind person, because TVs don't yet have 
screenreaders.
The other part is to open the Google Chrome app on your IOS device, and you 
will find the Google Chrome device if you are connected to the same router 
it is connected to.
A funny thing about this is, if someone is watching a program, you can 
change what they are watching from your device.
You can watch content from your device, like videos and YouTube content, and 
NetFlix and other similar content.
Since I don't have an Apple TV device, I cannot compare the two except to 
say that I suspect that a person using VoiceOver can probably set it up 
completely, where connecting the device to the router is not possible since 
it has no speakers, and no touch-screen and I don't think there would be a 
way to run TalkBack on it.

Anyway, I hope some find this useful.
Glenn

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Re: Google Chrome app

2013-12-29 Thread Christopher gilland
Oh, you're talking about the Chromevox.  Yeah, I hear they're somewhat 
decent.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Glenn glenner...@cableone.net

To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 12:06 AM
Subject: Google Chrome app



Hi,
I bought a couple of Google Chrome devices for family members, for Xmas, 
for

35 dollars each at Amazon.
There is a free Google Chrome app for the IOS devices, on the app store,
called Google Chrome, and I am pleased to report that the device is at 
least

indirectly usable by a Blind person using VoiceOver from their IOS device.
There are two parts of setting it up, one is plugging it into your TV and
then connecting to your router.
This part is not doable by a Blind person, because TVs don't yet have
screenreaders.
The other part is to open the Google Chrome app on your IOS device, and 
you

will find the Google Chrome device if you are connected to the same router
it is connected to.
A funny thing about this is, if someone is watching a program, you can
change what they are watching from your device.
You can watch content from your device, like videos and YouTube content, 
and

NetFlix and other similar content.
Since I don't have an Apple TV device, I cannot compare the two except to
say that I suspect that a person using VoiceOver can probably set it up
completely, where connecting the device to the router is not possible 
since

it has no speakers, and no touch-screen and I don't think there would be a
way to run TalkBack on it.

Anyway, I hope some find this useful.
Glenn

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Re: Google Chrome app

2013-12-29 Thread Josh Gregory
No… Sorry, I think thats a Chromecast.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 30, 2013, at 12:16 AM, Christopher gilland 
 ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:
 
 Oh, you're talking about the Chromevox.  Yeah, I hear they're somewhat decent.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Glenn glenner...@cableone.net
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 12:06 AM
 Subject: Google Chrome app
 
 
 Hi,
 I bought a couple of Google Chrome devices for family members, for Xmas, for
 35 dollars each at Amazon.
 There is a free Google Chrome app for the IOS devices, on the app store,
 called Google Chrome, and I am pleased to report that the device is at least
 indirectly usable by a Blind person using VoiceOver from their IOS device.
 There are two parts of setting it up, one is plugging it into your TV and
 then connecting to your router.
 This part is not doable by a Blind person, because TVs don't yet have
 screenreaders.
 The other part is to open the Google Chrome app on your IOS device, and you
 will find the Google Chrome device if you are connected to the same router
 it is connected to.
 A funny thing about this is, if someone is watching a program, you can
 change what they are watching from your device.
 You can watch content from your device, like videos and YouTube content, and
 NetFlix and other similar content.
 Since I don't have an Apple TV device, I cannot compare the two except to
 say that I suspect that a person using VoiceOver can probably set it up
 completely, where connecting the device to the router is not possible since
 it has no speakers, and no touch-screen and I don't think there would be a
 way to run TalkBack on it.
 
 Anyway, I hope some find this useful.
 Glenn
 
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Re: Google Chrome app

2013-12-29 Thread Christopher gilland
What did I say, Chromevox?  God!  It's been a long night!  Damn I feel 
imbarrassed!  Tarzan cry!  LOL!


Sorry bout that.  I feel really smart right about now!  LOL!

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com

To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 12:33 AM
Subject: Re: Google Chrome app



No… Sorry, I think thats a Chromecast.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 30, 2013, at 12:16 AM, Christopher gilland 
ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:


Oh, you're talking about the Chromevox.  Yeah, I hear they're somewhat 
decent.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: Glenn glenner...@cableone.net
To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 12:06 AM
Subject: Google Chrome app



Hi,
I bought a couple of Google Chrome devices for family members, for Xmas, 
for

35 dollars each at Amazon.
There is a free Google Chrome app for the IOS devices, on the app store,
called Google Chrome, and I am pleased to report that the device is at 
least
indirectly usable by a Blind person using VoiceOver from their IOS 
device.
There are two parts of setting it up, one is plugging it into your TV 
and

then connecting to your router.
This part is not doable by a Blind person, because TVs don't yet have
screenreaders.
The other part is to open the Google Chrome app on your IOS device, and 
you
will find the Google Chrome device if you are connected to the same 
router

it is connected to.
A funny thing about this is, if someone is watching a program, you can
change what they are watching from your device.
You can watch content from your device, like videos and YouTube content, 
and

NetFlix and other similar content.
Since I don't have an Apple TV device, I cannot compare the two except 
to

say that I suspect that a person using VoiceOver can probably set it up
completely, where connecting the device to the router is not possible 
since
it has no speakers, and no touch-screen and I don't think there would be 
a

way to run TalkBack on it.

Anyway, I hope some find this useful.
Glenn

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Re: Google Chrome app

2013-12-29 Thread Josh Gregory
LOL it's quite alright, I'm sure I've done something like that myself, in fact 
I know I have.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 30, 2013, at 12:35 AM, Christopher gilland 
 ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:
 
 What did I say, Chromevox?  God!  It's been a long night!  Damn I feel 
 imbarrassed!  Tarzan cry!  LOL!
 
 Sorry bout that.  I feel really smart right about now!  LOL!
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 12:33 AM
 Subject: Re: Google Chrome app
 
 
 No… Sorry, I think thats a Chromecast.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 30, 2013, at 12:16 AM, Christopher gilland 
 ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:
 
 Oh, you're talking about the Chromevox.  Yeah, I hear they're somewhat 
 decent.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Glenn glenner...@cableone.net
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 12:06 AM
 Subject: Google Chrome app
 
 
 Hi,
 I bought a couple of Google Chrome devices for family members, for Xmas, 
 for
 35 dollars each at Amazon.
 There is a free Google Chrome app for the IOS devices, on the app store,
 called Google Chrome, and I am pleased to report that the device is at 
 least
 indirectly usable by a Blind person using VoiceOver from their IOS device.
 There are two parts of setting it up, one is plugging it into your TV and
 then connecting to your router.
 This part is not doable by a Blind person, because TVs don't yet have
 screenreaders.
 The other part is to open the Google Chrome app on your IOS device, and you
 will find the Google Chrome device if you are connected to the same router
 it is connected to.
 A funny thing about this is, if someone is watching a program, you can
 change what they are watching from your device.
 You can watch content from your device, like videos and YouTube content, 
 and
 NetFlix and other similar content.
 Since I don't have an Apple TV device, I cannot compare the two except to
 say that I suspect that a person using VoiceOver can probably set it up
 completely, where connecting the device to the router is not possible since
 it has no speakers, and no touch-screen and I don't think there would be a
 way to run TalkBack on it.
 
 Anyway, I hope some find this useful.
 Glenn
 
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using google chrome

2013-05-01 Thread William Lomas
hi i see google chrome works ok it seems under mountain lino so do i need the 
add on, chrome box?
thanks to all, Will

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Re: using google chrome

2013-05-01 Thread Josh Gregory
I used to use it, but it tends to mess up voiceover so I just disabled it.

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 hi i see google chrome works ok it seems under mountain lino so do i need the 
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Re: using google chrome

2013-05-01 Thread Mike Arrigo
Chrome will work with voiceover pretty well. There are a few 
outstanding issues, the main one I can think of is, if you come to an 
unlabeled link, voiceover does not provide the URL for the link, so 
there is no way to tell what it does. Also, some list boxes do not read.

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need the add on, chrome box?

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Re: using google chrome

2013-05-01 Thread Isaac Hebert
yes you should get crome vox.

On 5/1/13, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:
 Chrome will work with voiceover pretty well. There are a few
 outstanding issues, the main one I can think of is, if you come to an
 unlabeled link, voiceover does not provide the URL for the link, so
 there is no way to tell what it does. Also, some list boxes do not read.
 Original message:
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Re: using google chrome

2013-05-01 Thread Josh Gregory
It's better than chromevox, which won't support combo boxes at all. At least 
from what I have seen of it.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: using google chrome

2013-05-01 Thread Sarah k Alawami
Chromvox works quite well with google crome. I use it constantly on the 
websites that never work with safari.  and combo boxes are supported. you  just 
need to know how to use the from vox modifier. Stay in sticky mode as the 
combos are much easier to enter.  I actually need to update mine shortly.

Take care.
On May 1, 2013, at 7:02 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's better than chromevox, which won't support combo boxes at all. At least 
 from what I have seen of it.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On May 1, 2013, at 9:59 AM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:
 
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 issues, the main one I can think of is, if you come to an unlabeled link, 
 voiceover does not provide the URL for the link, so there is no way to tell 
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 hi i see google chrome works ok it seems under mountain lino so do i need 
 the add on, chrome box?
 thanks to all, Will
 
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Re: using google chrome

2013-05-01 Thread Isaac Hebert
I use crome vox too with google crome it works.

On 5/1/13, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 Chromvox works quite well with google crome. I use it constantly on the
 websites that never work with safari.  and combo boxes are supported. you
 just need to know how to use the from vox modifier. Stay in sticky mode as
 the combos are much easier to enter.  I actually need to update mine
 shortly.

 Take care.
 On May 1, 2013, at 7:02 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's better than chromevox, which won't support combo boxes at all. At
 least from what I have seen of it.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On May 1, 2013, at 9:59 AM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:

 Chrome will work with voiceover pretty well. There are a few outstanding
 issues, the main one I can think of is, if you come to an unlabeled link,
 voiceover does not provide the URL for the link, so there is no way to
 tell what it does. Also, some list boxes do not read.
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 need the add on, chrome box?
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Re: using google chrome

2013-05-01 Thread Josh Gregory
I see, I apologize then. How does it work? And how do you update it?

Sent from my iPhone

On May 1, 2013, at 10:15 AM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:

 Chromvox works quite well with google crome. I use it constantly on the 
 websites that never work with safari.  and combo boxes are supported. you  
 just need to know how to use the from vox modifier. Stay in sticky mode as 
 the combos are much easier to enter.  I actually need to update mine shortly.
 
 Take care.
 On May 1, 2013, at 7:02 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 It's better than chromevox, which won't support combo boxes at all. At least 
 from what I have seen of it.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On May 1, 2013, at 9:59 AM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:
 
 Chrome will work with voiceover pretty well. There are a few outstanding 
 issues, the main one I can think of is, if you come to an unlabeled link, 
 voiceover does not provide the URL for the link, so there is no way to tell 
 what it does. Also, some list boxes do not read.
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 hi i see google chrome works ok it seems under mountain lino so do i need 
 the add on, chrome box?
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Re: using google chrome

2013-05-01 Thread Sarah k Alawami
I would start by reading the very good interactive tutorial that comess with 
it. . You simply just launch chrome and it should come up with a dialogue to 
update chrome vox. 

There is a dedicated list serve for google chrome and google access in general. 
I'm on it, and there are a ton of people who are happy to help.

Tae care. 
On May 1, 2013, at 7:24 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:

 I see, I apologize then. How does it work? And how do you update it?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On May 1, 2013, at 10:15 AM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Chromvox works quite well with google crome. I use it constantly on the 
 websites that never work with safari.  and combo boxes are supported. you  
 just need to know how to use the from vox modifier. Stay in sticky mode as 
 the combos are much easier to enter.  I actually need to update mine shortly.
 
 Take care.
 On May 1, 2013, at 7:02 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 It's better than chromevox, which won't support combo boxes at all. At 
 least from what I have seen of it.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On May 1, 2013, at 9:59 AM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:
 
 Chrome will work with voiceover pretty well. There are a few outstanding 
 issues, the main one I can think of is, if you come to an unlabeled link, 
 voiceover does not provide the URL for the link, so there is no way to 
 tell what it does. Also, some list boxes do not read.
 Original message:
 hi i see google chrome works ok it seems under mountain lino so do i need 
 the add on, chrome box?
 thanks to all, Will
 
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Re: using google chrome

2013-05-01 Thread Josh Gregory
Can you send me the info off list? Thanks

Sent from my iPhone

On May 1, 2013, at 10:42 AM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:

 I would start by reading the very good interactive tutorial that comess with 
 it. . You simply just launch chrome and it should come up with a dialogue to 
 update chrome vox. 
 
 There is a dedicated list serve for google chrome and google access in 
 general. I'm on it, and there are a ton of people who are happy to help.
 
 Tae care. 
 On May 1, 2013, at 7:24 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I see, I apologize then. How does it work? And how do you update it?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On May 1, 2013, at 10:15 AM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Chromvox works quite well with google crome. I use it constantly on the 
 websites that never work with safari.  and combo boxes are supported. you  
 just need to know how to use the from vox modifier. Stay in sticky mode as 
 the combos are much easier to enter.  I actually need to update mine 
 shortly.
 
 Take care.
 On May 1, 2013, at 7:02 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 It's better than chromevox, which won't support combo boxes at all. At 
 least from what I have seen of it.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On May 1, 2013, at 9:59 AM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:
 
 Chrome will work with voiceover pretty well. There are a few outstanding 
 issues, the main one I can think of is, if you come to an unlabeled link, 
 voiceover does not provide the URL for the link, so there is no way to 
 tell what it does. Also, some list boxes do not read.
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 hi i see google chrome works ok it seems under mountain lino so do i 
 need the add on, chrome box?
 thanks to all, Will
 
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Re: using google chrome

2013-05-01 Thread Sarah k Alawami
lol. it is my replacement screen reader if you will for chrome. I only use 
voice over if chrome vox choaks, which is rare. 

Take care.
On May 1, 2013, at 8:27 AM, Bryan Jones openses...@me.com wrote:

 You do not need to have the Chromevox extension installed in order to use 
 Chrome, but I find it useful as a fallback screen reader when I encounter 
 something that causes VO to choke.
 
 Bryan
 
 On May 1, 2013, at 6:58 AM, William Lomas will.d.lo...@gmail.com wrote:
 hi i see google chrome works ok it seems under mountain lino so do i need 
 the add on, chrome box?
 
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Re: using google chrome

2013-05-01 Thread Sarah k Alawami
If you need more info contact me off list as this list is not for google from 
but for mac questions, at least that's how I read and interpret the rules, but 
here's more info on the google access group.

http://groups.google.com/group/axs-chrome-discuss

Take care.
On May 1, 2013, at 8:20 AM, Phil Halton philh...@comcast.net wrote:

 Please keep this info on list. Others want to know about it too.
 
 - Original Message - From: Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 10:49 AM
 Subject: Re: using google chrome
 
 
 Can you send me the info off list? Thanks
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On May 1, 2013, at 10:42 AM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I would start by reading the very good interactive tutorial that comess 
 with it. . You simply just launch chrome and it should come up with a 
 dialogue to update chrome vox.
 
 There is a dedicated list serve for google chrome and google access in 
 general. I'm on it, and there are a ton of people who are happy to help.
 
 Tae care.
 On May 1, 2013, at 7:24 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I see, I apologize then. How does it work? And how do you update it?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On May 1, 2013, at 10:15 AM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Chromvox works quite well with google crome. I use it constantly on the 
 websites that never work with safari.  and combo boxes are supported. you 
  just need to know how to use the from vox modifier. Stay in sticky mode 
 as the combos are much easier to enter.  I actually need to update mine 
 shortly.
 
 Take care.
 On May 1, 2013, at 7:02 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 It's better than chromevox, which won't support combo boxes at all. At 
 least from what I have seen of it.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On May 1, 2013, at 9:59 AM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:
 
 Chrome will work with voiceover pretty well. There are a few 
 outstanding issues, the main one I can think of is, if you come to an 
 unlabeled link, voiceover does not provide the URL for the link, so 
 there is no way to tell what it does. Also, some list boxes do not read.
 Original message:
 hi i see google chrome works ok it seems under mountain lino so do i 
 need the add on, chrome box?
 thanks to all, Will
 
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Re: using google chrome

2013-05-01 Thread Josh Gregory
I do apologize, I just figured that might be a bit…  off topic?

Sent from my iPhone

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 Please keep this info on list. Others want to know about it too.
 
 - Original Message - From: Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 10:49 AM
 Subject: Re: using google chrome
 
 
 Can you send me the info off list? Thanks
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On May 1, 2013, at 10:42 AM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I would start by reading the very good interactive tutorial that comess 
 with it. . You simply just launch chrome and it should come up with a 
 dialogue to update chrome vox.
 
 There is a dedicated list serve for google chrome and google access in 
 general. I'm on it, and there are a ton of people who are happy to help.
 
 Tae care.
 On May 1, 2013, at 7:24 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I see, I apologize then. How does it work? And how do you update it?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On May 1, 2013, at 10:15 AM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Chromvox works quite well with google crome. I use it constantly on the 
 websites that never work with safari.  and combo boxes are supported. you 
  just need to know how to use the from vox modifier. Stay in sticky mode 
 as the combos are much easier to enter.  I actually need to update mine 
 shortly.
 
 Take care.
 On May 1, 2013, at 7:02 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 It's better than chromevox, which won't support combo boxes at all. At 
 least from what I have seen of it.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On May 1, 2013, at 9:59 AM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:
 
 Chrome will work with voiceover pretty well. There are a few 
 outstanding issues, the main one I can think of is, if you come to an 
 unlabeled link, voiceover does not provide the URL for the link, so 
 there is no way to tell what it does. Also, some list boxes do not read.
 Original message:
 hi i see google chrome works ok it seems under mountain lino so do i 
 need the add on, chrome box?
 thanks to all, Will
 
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Re: using google chrome

2013-05-01 Thread Sarah k Alawami
It is.  according to the rules, and I follow the rules to the letter, and I 
mean to the letter.  That's why I was going to email info about the other list 
off list lol! Hehahah.  Oh well.

Take care.
On May 1, 2013, at 2:05 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:

 I do apologize, I just figured that might be a bit…  off topic?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On May 1, 2013, at 11:20 AM, Phil Halton philh...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Please keep this info on list. Others want to know about it too.
 
 - Original Message - From: Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 10:49 AM
 Subject: Re: using google chrome
 
 
 Can you send me the info off list? Thanks
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On May 1, 2013, at 10:42 AM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I would start by reading the very good interactive tutorial that comess 
 with it. . You simply just launch chrome and it should come up with a 
 dialogue to update chrome vox.
 
 There is a dedicated list serve for google chrome and google access in 
 general. I'm on it, and there are a ton of people who are happy to help.
 
 Tae care.
 On May 1, 2013, at 7:24 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I see, I apologize then. How does it work? And how do you update it?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On May 1, 2013, at 10:15 AM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Chromvox works quite well with google crome. I use it constantly on the 
 websites that never work with safari.  and combo boxes are supported. 
 you  just need to know how to use the from vox modifier. Stay in sticky 
 mode as the combos are much easier to enter.  I actually need to update 
 mine shortly.
 
 Take care.
 On May 1, 2013, at 7:02 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 It's better than chromevox, which won't support combo boxes at all. At 
 least from what I have seen of it.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On May 1, 2013, at 9:59 AM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:
 
 Chrome will work with voiceover pretty well. There are a few 
 outstanding issues, the main one I can think of is, if you come to an 
 unlabeled link, voiceover does not provide the URL for the link, so 
 there is no way to tell what it does. Also, some list boxes do not 
 read.
 Original message:
 hi i see google chrome works ok it seems under mountain lino so do i 
 need the add on, chrome box?
 thanks to all, Will
 
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Re: using google chrome

2013-05-01 Thread Josh Gregory
Figured as much. Thanks.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 1, 2013, at 10:00 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:

 It is.  according to the rules, and I follow the rules to the letter, and I 
 mean to the letter.  That's why I was going to email info about the other 
 list off list lol! Hehahah.  Oh well.
 
 Take care.
 On May 1, 2013, at 2:05 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I do apologize, I just figured that might be a bit…  off topic?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On May 1, 2013, at 11:20 AM, Phil Halton philh...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Please keep this info on list. Others want to know about it too.
 
 - Original Message - From: Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 10:49 AM
 Subject: Re: using google chrome
 
 
 Can you send me the info off list? Thanks
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On May 1, 2013, at 10:42 AM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I would start by reading the very good interactive tutorial that comess 
 with it. . You simply just launch chrome and it should come up with a 
 dialogue to update chrome vox.
 
 There is a dedicated list serve for google chrome and google access in 
 general. I'm on it, and there are a ton of people who are happy to help.
 
 Tae care.
 On May 1, 2013, at 7:24 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I see, I apologize then. How does it work? And how do you update it?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On May 1, 2013, at 10:15 AM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Chromvox works quite well with google crome. I use it constantly on the 
 websites that never work with safari.  and combo boxes are supported. 
 you  just need to know how to use the from vox modifier. Stay in sticky 
 mode as the combos are much easier to enter.  I actually need to update 
 mine shortly.
 
 Take care.
 On May 1, 2013, at 7:02 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 It's better than chromevox, which won't support combo boxes at all. At 
 least from what I have seen of it.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On May 1, 2013, at 9:59 AM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:
 
 Chrome will work with voiceover pretty well. There are a few 
 outstanding issues, the main one I can think of is, if you come to an 
 unlabeled link, voiceover does not provide the URL for the link, so 
 there is no way to tell what it does. Also, some list boxes do not 
 read.
 Original message:
 hi i see google chrome works ok it seems under mountain lino so do i 
 need the add on, chrome box?
 thanks to all, Will
 
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Re: google chrome, how do I get rid of this dumb thing?

2012-09-09 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith
Hello James

Just wanted to say Good Call on this one, since you correctly used the upper 
case L on the string ~/Library/. However, you did miss the closing quote. 
;-)

Just joking James. As I said it was a good call. Most people forget that some 
systems, (ours, for example), are case sensitive as has always been the case 
with Linux/Unix systems I believe. We use case sensitive file systems because 
it allows us much more flexibility. It can, at times, cause problems though 
under OS X.

Getting back to Cait's problem though, it brings me back to another subject 
close to my heart, backups. I honestly believe that if possible, it is always 
wise to create a full system backup before a major installation such as Chrome 
is performed. We personally have never performed that specific installation, 
although we have been tempted too given the number of websites which still do 
not support Safari 6.

Something which does not impact on my own personal use, but which does on 
Gordon's and, I would assume, every other VoiceOver users as well, is the 
verbalisation of icons mapped to links or even just text. So, you'll hear 
something like Link, Icon_1_Home.gif followed by another occurrence of Link, 
Home. Sometimes there are two links, sometimes not; depends very much on the 
website. I have often wondered whether that happens in other browsers using 
VoiceOver.

Anyway, I am drifting off topic. Good call regarding the instructions you gave 
to Cait. I encourage backups be made using apps such as the recently and 
extensively discussed Carbon Copy Cloner and Super Duper!. They would save 
a great deal of headache I'm sure.

Lynne

On 8 Sep 2012, at 21:54, JAMES AUSTIN james.aus...@mac-access.net wrote:

• You might also want to  check the Application Support folder and your 
Preferences folder, which you'll find in your Library folder.

• If your own Library folder is hidden, which is the default setting since 
Lion, then do the following;

1. In the Finder, press Command+Shift+G. This will bring up the Go To 
dialogue. 
2. Type the following, without the quotes ~/Library/ There is a slash in this 
quoted text., so you might just want to copy the quoted text.
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Re: TreshMe; [Was google chrome, how do I get rid of this dumb thing?]

2012-09-09 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith
Hello Sarah

On 8 Sep 2012, at 22:22, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:

• I would try redownloaidn it and ten installing and the unlnstalling it with 
trash me. it will pick up everything and more it to the trash. then you can 
empty your trash.

Dreadful spelling there Sarah! :) Anyway, TrashMe is another real treasure. We 
use it all the time, it's absolutely magic. If anybody is interested in buying 
this little app, it's in the App Store.

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google chrome, how do I get rid of this dumb thing?

2012-09-08 Thread Cait Furness
Hi,
Ok, in a moment of weakness, I stupidly downloaded google chrome and installed 
it on my mac.  Now, I want to uninstall it completely off my system as there 
are things I don't like about it after all.  I already went to my applications 
folder and binned the app, but for some reason, my mac still thinks it's 
residing someplace on the system and tries to open links in it every time I 
click on a link from mail.  What's more, if I do click on a link from within 
mail, it actually *does* open chrome.  Now, I don't know where it's finding 
this thing, since I uninstalled it from the apps folder and then emptied my 
trash and restarted my system!

Is there some hidden place I can purge some dastardly files from, please?

Thanks!

Caitlyn

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Re: google chrome, how do I get rid of this dumb thing?

2012-09-08 Thread JAMES AUSTIN
Hi Caitlyn
On 8 Sep 2012, at 20:13, Cait Furness caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote:
Is there some hidden place I can purge some dastardly files from, please?

You might also want to  check the Application Support folder and your 
Preferences folder, which you'll find in your Library folder.

If your own Library folder is hidden, which is the default setting since Lion, 
then do the following;

1. In the Finder, press Command+Shift+G. This will bring up the Go To 
dialogue. 
2. Type the following, without the quotes ~/Library/ There is a slash in this 
quoted text., so you might just want to copy the quoted text.
3. You'll find the Application Support and Preferences folders here.
4. Within the Preferences folder, you're looking for a file called something 
like: com.google.chrome.plist There may be a few of these files. You can 
delete them and then empty your trash. This should alleviate your problem. 

Warmest wishes 
James 

Hi,
Ok, in a moment of weakness, I stupidly downloaded google chrome and installed 
it on my mac.  Now, I want to uninstall it completely off my system as there 
are things I don't like about it after all.  I already went to my applications 
folder and binned the app, but for some reason, my mac still thinks it's 
residing someplace on the system and tries to open links in it every time I 
click on a link from mail.  What's more, if I do click on a link from within 
mail, it actually *does* open chrome.  Now, I don't know where it's finding 
this thing, since I uninstalled it from the apps folder and then emptied my 
trash and restarted my system!

Is there some hidden place I can purge some dastardly files from, please?

Thanks!

Caitlyn

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Re: google chrome, how do I get rid of this dumb thing?

2012-09-08 Thread Sarah Alawami
I would try redownloaidn it and ten installing and the unlnstalling it with 
trash me. it will pick up everything and more it to the trash. then you can 
empty your trash.

I love google cream but I have to use it as our automation system requires it 
or firefox.

Tc all.
On Sep 8, 2012, at 12:13 PM, Cait Furness caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 Ok, in a moment of weakness, I stupidly downloaded google chrome and 
 installed it on my mac.  Now, I want to uninstall it completely off my system 
 as there are things I don't like about it after all.  I already went to my 
 applications folder and binned the app, but for some reason, my mac still 
 thinks it's residing someplace on the system and tries to open links in it 
 every time I click on a link from mail.  What's more, if I do click on a link 
 from within mail, it actually *does* open chrome.  Now, I don't know where 
 it's finding this thing, since I uninstalled it from the apps folder and then 
 emptied my trash and restarted my system!
 
 Is there some hidden place I can purge some dastardly files from, please?
 
 Thanks!
 
 Caitlyn
 
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Re: google chrome, how do I get rid of this dumb thing?

2012-09-08 Thread Cait Furness
James, *thank you, thank you, thank you*!  

I'd already remembered in my foggy brain about the go menu and the hidden 
library by the time I'd written my message to the list and purged the dumb 
files from the support folder, but completely forgot about the preferences 
folder, so naturally the dumb chrome app came back from the dead as soon as I 
clicked on a link again in mail even though I rebooted and emptied the trash!  
I'll have another go round and see what happenes this time!

Cait

On 2012-09-08, at 4:54 PM, JAMES AUSTIN james.aus...@mac-access.net wrote:

 Hi Caitlyn
 On 8 Sep 2012, at 20:13, Cait Furness caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote:
 Is there some hidden place I can purge some dastardly files from, please?
 
 You might also want to  check the Application Support folder and your 
 Preferences folder, which you'll find in your Library folder.
 
 If your own Library folder is hidden, which is the default setting since 
 Lion, then do the following;
 
 1. In the Finder, press Command+Shift+G. This will bring up the Go To 
 dialogue. 
 2. Type the following, without the quotes ~/Library/ There is a slash in 
 this quoted text., so you might just want to copy the quoted text.
 3. You'll find the Application Support and Preferences folders here.
 4. Within the Preferences folder, you're looking for a file called something 
 like: com.google.chrome.plist There may be a few of these files. You can 
 delete them and then empty your trash. This should alleviate your problem. 
 
 Warmest wishes 
 James 
 
 Hi,
 Ok, in a moment of weakness, I stupidly downloaded google chrome and 
 installed it on my mac.  Now, I want to uninstall it completely off my system 
 as there are things I don't like about it after all.  I already went to my 
 applications folder and binned the app, but for some reason, my mac still 
 thinks it's residing someplace on the system and tries to open links in it 
 every time I click on a link from mail.  What's more, if I do click on a link 
 from within mail, it actually *does* open chrome.  Now, I don't know where 
 it's finding this thing, since I uninstalled it from the apps folder and then 
 emptied my trash and restarted my system!
 
 Is there some hidden place I can purge some dastardly files from, please?
 
 Thanks!
 
 Caitlyn
 
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Flash player and Google Chrome

2011-12-03 Thread Paul Hopewell
Hello, 
I am trying to play the sound for an E-card I have received. This requires 
Adobe Flash. I cannot locate the play button for flash using Safari on Lion 
10.7.2 and am now wondering if I would have more joy using Google Chrome. I 
entered Flash as a search term in the list of Chrome extensions and got back 
rather a long list. Has anyone had any joy getting flash to work with either 
Safari or Google Chrome? 
If I view the E-card on Windows using the WindowEyes screen reader I can see a 
button which I have to press to get flash to play the card. 
I have flash 11 installed but am rather confused about flash extensions for 
browsers and the basic flash player. 
 
Many thanks. 

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Re: Working with Google Chrome

2011-11-24 Thread Kevin Chao
table navigation is much better than before, completely revamped, and very 
intuitive and easy now. What's the key conflict?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 23, 2011, at 8:58 PM, Jane juanitatig...@gmail.com wrote:

I got it going.  Now wrestling with Table navigation; the rest was easy.  
Emailed the list about it.  Well, the moderators.  Hope I don't get into 
trouble.  Seems ther's a key conflict.

Jane


On Nov 23, 2011, at 8:47 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:

 Using Chrome, visit:
 https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
 
 select add to Chrome button, select OK, and you'll be up and running
 with ChromeVox.
 
 Kevin
 
 On 11/23/11, Jane juanitatig...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well, um, I had downloaded Google Chrome Canary, but it wouldn't work, so
 re-installed the other Google Chrome, and I am now trying to get the silly
 extension to come up again.
 
 Jane
 
 
 On Nov 23, 2011, at 7:22 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
 
 Chrome web browser and ChromeVox will update itself. There's no need
 to do anything at all.
 
 TO check if you have llatest version:
 ChromeAbout, and it should be 15.
 Chrome Preferencesextensions or chrome://extensions and ChromeVox
 should be 1.16.0
 
 Use Google Docs with a screen reader documentation
 http://goo.gl/cmeHV
 
 Kevin
 
 On 11/23/11, Jane juanitatig...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have Google Chrome and Chrome Vox, but they aren't updated.  What do I
 need to update both the browser and the speech plugin thing?
 
 Also, how can I use it to edit Google Documents and spreadsheets?  I see
 that I can sort of read the contents, but I don't see how to edit.  Any
 help
 is appreciated.
 
 Jane
 
 
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Re: Working with Google Chrome

2011-11-24 Thread Jane
Well, if I read the instructions correctly you hit vo-keys plus t and then 
vo-keys plus semi-colon or apostrophe.  It's the semi-colon or apostrophe that 
don't seem to work for getting from the begging of the row to the end.  I 
haven't even tried the left-brace and right-brace and other possible commands 
yet.

Jane




On Nov 24, 2011, at 3:18 AM, Kevin Chao wrote:

 table navigation is much better than before, completely revamped, and very 
 intuitive and easy now. What's the key conflict?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Nov 23, 2011, at 8:58 PM, Jane juanitatig...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I got it going.  Now wrestling with Table navigation; the rest was easy.  
 Emailed the list about it.  Well, the moderators.  Hope I don't get into 
 trouble.  Seems ther's a key conflict.
 
 Jane
 
 
 On Nov 23, 2011, at 8:47 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
 
 Using Chrome, visit:
 https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
 
 select add to Chrome button, select OK, and you'll be up and running
 with ChromeVox.
 
 Kevin
 
 On 11/23/11, Jane juanitatig...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well, um, I had downloaded Google Chrome Canary, but it wouldn't work, so
 re-installed the other Google Chrome, and I am now trying to get the silly
 extension to come up again.
 
 Jane
 
 
 On Nov 23, 2011, at 7:22 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
 
 Chrome web browser and ChromeVox will update itself. There's no need
 to do anything at all.
 
 TO check if you have llatest version:
 ChromeAbout, and it should be 15.
 Chrome Preferencesextensions or chrome://extensions and ChromeVox
 should be 1.16.0
 
 Use Google Docs with a screen reader documentation
 http://goo.gl/cmeHV
 
 Kevin
 
 On 11/23/11, Jane juanitatig...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have Google Chrome and Chrome Vox, but they aren't updated.  What do I
 need to update both the browser and the speech plugin thing?
 
 Also, how can I use it to edit Google Documents and spreadsheets?  I see
 that I can sort of read the contents, but I don't see how to edit.  Any
 help
 is appreciated.
 
 Jane
 
 
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Re: Working with Google Chrome

2011-11-24 Thread Kevin Chao
I'm able to use ChromeVox-T, ChromeVox-;/' to get to start/end of a row.
I'm using Chrome 16 beta with Gmail.com Basic HTML.

What build of Chrome are you using and website is this not working?

Kevin

On 11/24/11, Jane juanitatig...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well, if I read the instructions correctly you hit vo-keys plus t and then
 vo-keys plus semi-colon or apostrophe.  It's the semi-colon or apostrophe
 that don't seem to work for getting from the begging of the row to the end.
 I haven't even tried the left-brace and right-brace and other possible
 commands yet.

 Jane




 On Nov 24, 2011, at 3:18 AM, Kevin Chao wrote:

 table navigation is much better than before, completely revamped, and very
 intuitive and easy now. What's the key conflict?

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 23, 2011, at 8:58 PM, Jane juanitatig...@gmail.com wrote:

 I got it going.  Now wrestling with Table navigation; the rest was easy.
 Emailed the list about it.  Well, the moderators.  Hope I don't get into
 trouble.  Seems ther's a key conflict.

 Jane


 On Nov 23, 2011, at 8:47 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:

 Using Chrome, visit:
 https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn

 select add to Chrome button, select OK, and you'll be up and running
 with ChromeVox.

 Kevin

 On 11/23/11, Jane juanitatig...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well, um, I had downloaded Google Chrome Canary, but it wouldn't work,
 so
 re-installed the other Google Chrome, and I am now trying to get the
 silly
 extension to come up again.

 Jane


 On Nov 23, 2011, at 7:22 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:

 Chrome web browser and ChromeVox will update itself. There's no need
 to do anything at all.

 TO check if you have llatest version:
 ChromeAbout, and it should be 15.
 Chrome Preferencesextensions or chrome://extensions and ChromeVox
 should be 1.16.0

 Use Google Docs with a screen reader documentation
 http://goo.gl/cmeHV

 Kevin

 On 11/23/11, Jane juanitatig...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have Google Chrome and Chrome Vox, but they aren't updated.  What do
 I
 need to update both the browser and the speech plugin thing?

 Also, how can I use it to edit Google Documents and spreadsheets?  I
 see
 that I can sort of read the contents, but I don't see how to edit.
 Any
 help
 is appreciated.

 Jane


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Re: Working with Google Chrome

2011-11-23 Thread Jane
Well, um, I had downloaded Google Chrome Canary, but it wouldn't work, so 
re-installed the other Google Chrome, and I am now trying to get the silly 
extension to come up again. 

Jane


On Nov 23, 2011, at 7:22 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:

 Chrome web browser and ChromeVox will update itself. There's no need
 to do anything at all.
 
 TO check if you have llatest version:
 ChromeAbout, and it should be 15.
 Chrome Preferencesextensions or chrome://extensions and ChromeVox
 should be 1.16.0
 
 Use Google Docs with a screen reader documentation
 http://goo.gl/cmeHV
 
 Kevin
 
 On 11/23/11, Jane juanitatig...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have Google Chrome and Chrome Vox, but they aren't updated.  What do I
 need to update both the browser and the speech plugin thing?
 
 Also, how can I use it to edit Google Documents and spreadsheets?  I see
 that I can sort of read the contents, but I don't see how to edit.  Any help
 is appreciated.
 
 Jane
 
 
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Re: Working with Google Chrome

2011-11-23 Thread Kevin Chao
Using Chrome, visit:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn

select add to Chrome button, select OK, and you'll be up and running
with ChromeVox.

Kevin

On 11/23/11, Jane juanitatig...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well, um, I had downloaded Google Chrome Canary, but it wouldn't work, so
 re-installed the other Google Chrome, and I am now trying to get the silly
 extension to come up again.

 Jane


 On Nov 23, 2011, at 7:22 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:

 Chrome web browser and ChromeVox will update itself. There's no need
 to do anything at all.

 TO check if you have llatest version:
 ChromeAbout, and it should be 15.
 Chrome Preferencesextensions or chrome://extensions and ChromeVox
 should be 1.16.0

 Use Google Docs with a screen reader documentation
 http://goo.gl/cmeHV

 Kevin

 On 11/23/11, Jane juanitatig...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have Google Chrome and Chrome Vox, but they aren't updated.  What do I
 need to update both the browser and the speech plugin thing?

 Also, how can I use it to edit Google Documents and spreadsheets?  I see
 that I can sort of read the contents, but I don't see how to edit.  Any
 help
 is appreciated.

 Jane


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Re: ChromeVox and Google Chrome

2011-10-11 Thread Jane
 have not tried installing Chrome from scratch.  I'm not even sure if I have 
the correct version.  I can try that.

Jane


On Oct 11, 2011, at 12:36 AM, Bryan Jones wrote:

 Hello Jane  Geoff,
 
 I'm also not seeing this problem, at least not yet.
 
 I'm running Chrome version 14.0.835.202 with the ChromeVox extension 1.15.1 
 installed directly from the Extension Gallery / Webstore on a macbook air 
 running OS 10.7.1.
 Here's a direct link to the ChromeVox extension in the chrome webstore: 
 https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn


 
 I've gotten through step 5 in the tutorial and have adjusted the speech rate, 
 pitch and volume without issue. I also turned VO off while navigating the 
 tutorial inside Chrome.
 
 HTH,
 Bryan
 
 On Oct 11, 2011, at 12:00 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote:
 I assume you installed Chromevox from the web store?  I'm not having this 
 problem under Lion.  What kind of Mac are you using and which kitty?
 Have you tried reinstalling Chrome from scratch 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Jane 
 I've installed Google Chrome and ChromeVox.  I started to make my way 
 through the tutorial, but it always crashes if I change the speech rate or 
 any other attributes.  Is this happening to anyone else?  How can this be 
 fixed?
 
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ChromeVox and Google Chrome

2011-10-10 Thread Jane
I've installed Google Chrome and ChromeVox.  I started to make my way through 
the tutorial, but it always crashes if I change the speech rate or any other 
attributes.  Is this happening to anyone else?  How can this be fixed?

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Re: ChromeVox and Google Chrome

2011-10-10 Thread Geoff Waaler
Hi Jane,

I assume you installed Chromevox from the web store?  I'm not having this 
problem under Lion.  What kind of Mac are you using and which kitty?

Have you tried reinstalling Chrome from scratch in case something got all 
fubared during the install?

Best regards.
Geoff

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jane 
  To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility 
  Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 11:34 PM
  Subject: ChromeVox and Google Chrome


  I've installed Google Chrome and ChromeVox.  I started to make my way through 
the tutorial, but it always crashes if I change the speech rate or any other 
attributes.  Is this happening to anyone else?  How can this be fixed?

  Jane
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Re: ChromeVox and Google Chrome

2011-10-10 Thread Kevin Chao
Jane,

Are you using Alex (any of the other legacy voices, Eg: Fred) or one
of the OS X Lion Nuance voices? If ladder, Apple has implemented those
voices in a way that it's very buggy even with VoiceOver.

Also, are you using Google Chrome 14 stable or 16 Canary? You can
check this by going to FileAbout. If you're not already doing so, 14
stable is recommended and will not crash.

Kevin


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 Hi Jane,

 I assume you installed Chromevox from the web store?  I'm not having this
 problem under Lion.  What kind of Mac are you using and which kitty?

 Have you tried reinstalling Chrome from scratch in case something got all
 fubared during the install?

 Best regards.
 Geoff

   - Original Message -
   From: Jane
   To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
   Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 11:34 PM
   Subject: ChromeVox and Google Chrome


   I've installed Google Chrome and ChromeVox.  I started to make my way
 through the tutorial, but it always crashes if I change the speech rate or
 any other attributes.  Is this happening to anyone else?  How can this be
 fixed?

   Jane
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Re: ChromeVox and Google Chrome

2011-10-10 Thread Bryan Jones
Hello Jane  Geoff,

I'm also not seeing this problem, at least not yet.

I'm running Chrome version 14.0.835.202 with the ChromeVox extension 1.15.1 
installed directly from the Extension Gallery / Webstore on a macbook air 
running OS 10.7.1.
Here's a direct link to the ChromeVox extension in the chrome webstore: 
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn

I've gotten through step 5 in the tutorial and have adjusted the speech rate, 
pitch and volume without issue. I also turned VO off while navigating the 
tutorial inside Chrome.

HTH,
Bryan

On Oct 11, 2011, at 12:00 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote:
 I assume you installed Chromevox from the web store?  I'm not having this 
 problem under Lion.  What kind of Mac are you using and which kitty?
 Have you tried reinstalling Chrome from scratch 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Jane 
 I've installed Google Chrome and ChromeVox.  I started to make my way through 
 the tutorial, but it always crashes if I change the speech rate or any other 
 attributes.  Is this happening to anyone else?  How can this be fixed?

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Re: Google chrome

2011-10-09 Thread Kevin Chao
Yes, I use Blakcbaord all of the time. I was unable to use it with 
Safari/Voiceover, but have been able to without any problems at all with Chrome 
web browser and ChromeVox extension from Chrome Web Store. It works flawlessly 
with all of Blackboard, including discussion board. In college setting, I can 
have Blackbaord as CMS, CourseSmart as eTextbook, and Docs for productivity 
suite, and for it to be fully accessible and a great experience. I absolutely 
enjoy it and appreciate that Google has made this possible across multiple 
platforms with a unified experience.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 3, 2011, at 7:16 AM, Michael Busboom m...@busboom.at wrote:

 Hello Kevin or anyone else,
 
 I haven't been following the Google accessibility threads at all because I 
 didn't figure I would need to use any of the Google apps.  However, I heard 
 that the Google browser worked with BlackBoard, and if this is true, this is 
 very important for me.  Could someone please tell me what I need to download 
 in order for the Google apps to work on my Mac Book running Lion?  As far as 
 BlackBoard is concerned, can anyone tell me if it is possible with the Google 
 browser to reliably work with the discussion boards for individual university 
 classes?
 
 Thank you,
 
 Mike
 
 On 3,Oct,2011, at 12:37 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
 
 Navigate your Documents List with a screen reader
 https://docs.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=1631662
 
 Use Google documents with a screen reader
 https://docs.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=1632201
 
 Kevin
 
 On 10/1/11, Paul Hopewell hopew...@hopewell.org.uk wrote:
 Hello,
 Following recent posts I am playing with Google chrome with chrome-vox and
 google docs. I am currently finding it very confusing and would appreciate
 any pointer to some good beginners documentation.
 
 I have a Google account and I have installed the standard Google chrome (not
 chrome canary) and have chrome-vox and google docs installed. Google chrome
 now generates lots of mysterious sounds and often speaks in my default voice
 (not the voice I am using for VoiceOver). In many cases the screen info is
 inaccessible using standard VO keys but is accessible using tab and arrow
 keys which cause Google chrome to speak in my default voice. At present it
 is all very confusing.
 
 Should I have installed chrome canary rather than the standard chrome? I see
 that chrome canary is the latest nightly untested chrome build and I saw
 several posts about it frequently crashing. Hence I have so far avoided it.
 
 What do you chrome enthusiasts recommend I should do and where can I best
 read some basic info? I would like to get to the stage of uploading a
 Microsoft word document from my iMac local hard disk and then editing it
 using chrome.
 
 Many thanks for any tips
 
 Paul Hopewell
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Re: Problem Downloading Google chrome

2011-10-05 Thread David Griffith
Thakns for advice.
Yes going back and selecting the language did then mean that the download 
commenced. It is odd that a more helpful message was not produced by the web 
page rather than a simple thanks for downloading a product that was not in fact 
downloading. A simple error message saying please select language would have 
been much less confusing.

Thanks again.

Now Ihave to go and find the link to  Chrome Box 

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On 4 Oct 2011, at 18:09, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:

 I just tried again.  This time it worked.  Be very sure you select the 
 language for the browser before downloading.
 On 4 Oct 2011, at 18:05, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
 
 I just tried this and can verify the behaviour described.
 On 4 Oct 2011, at 17:56, David Griffith wrote:
 
 Dear list 
 after the favourable reviews of google chrome on the Mac I have now 
 attempted to download the application several times.
 I go to the download page and then click the agree and download button.
 I am then  taken to a page which thanks me for downloading google Chrome. 
 I have now followed this link 6 times and still nothing has been downloaded 
 into my downloads folder.
 To check that general Safari downloads are working I downloaded another 
 file, actually an mp3 file today, this went fine into my downloads folder.
 I have tried restarting my Mac.
 Pressing the downloads button in Safari does not result in any downloads 
 listed  for download.
 I am using the latest build of Webkit nightly build on Lion.
 
 Does anybody have any idea as to why it is impossible for me to download 
 Google Chrome? 
 David Griffith
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Re: Problem Downloading Google chrome

2011-10-04 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
I just tried this and can verify the behaviour described.
On 4 Oct 2011, at 17:56, David Griffith wrote:

 Dear list 
 after the favourable reviews of google chrome on the Mac I have now attempted 
 to download the application several times.
 I go to the download page and then click the agree and download button.
 I am then  taken to a page which thanks me for downloading google Chrome. 
 I have now followed this link 6 times and still nothing has been downloaded 
 into my downloads folder.
 To check that general Safari downloads are working I downloaded another file, 
 actually an mp3 file today, this went fine into my downloads folder.
 I have tried restarting my Mac.
 Pressing the downloads button in Safari does not result in any downloads 
 listed  for download.
 I am using the latest build of Webkit nightly build on Lion.
 
 Does anybody have any idea as to why it is impossible for me to download 
 Google Chrome? 
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Re: Problem Downloading Google chrome

2011-10-04 Thread Gordon Smith
Try pressing enter on the link, see if that works.

Gordon


On 4 Oct 2011, at 18:05, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:

I just tried this and can verify the behaviour described.
On 4 Oct 2011, at 17:56, David Griffith wrote:

 Dear list 
 after the favourable reviews of google chrome on the Mac I have now attempted 
 to download the application several times.
 I go to the download page and then click the agree and download button.
 I am then  taken to a page which thanks me for downloading google Chrome. 
 I have now followed this link 6 times and still nothing has been downloaded 
 into my downloads folder.
 To check that general Safari downloads are working I downloaded another file, 
 actually an mp3 file today, this went fine into my downloads folder.
 I have tried restarting my Mac.
 Pressing the downloads button in Safari does not result in any downloads 
 listed  for download.
 I am using the latest build of Webkit nightly build on Lion.
 
 Does anybody have any idea as to why it is impossible for me to download 
 Google Chrome? 
 David Griffith
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Re: Problem Downloading Google chrome

2011-10-04 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
I just tried again.  This time it worked.  Be very sure you select the language 
for the browser before downloading.
On 4 Oct 2011, at 18:05, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:

 I just tried this and can verify the behaviour described.
 On 4 Oct 2011, at 17:56, David Griffith wrote:
 
 Dear list 
 after the favourable reviews of google chrome on the Mac I have now 
 attempted to download the application several times.
 I go to the download page and then click the agree and download button.
 I am then  taken to a page which thanks me for downloading google Chrome. 
 I have now followed this link 6 times and still nothing has been downloaded 
 into my downloads folder.
 To check that general Safari downloads are working I downloaded another 
 file, actually an mp3 file today, this went fine into my downloads folder.
 I have tried restarting my Mac.
 Pressing the downloads button in Safari does not result in any downloads 
 listed  for download.
 I am using the latest build of Webkit nightly build on Lion.
 
 Does anybody have any idea as to why it is impossible for me to download 
 Google Chrome? 
 David Griffith
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Re: Google chrome

2011-10-03 Thread Kevin Chao
Navigate your Documents List with a screen reader
https://docs.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=1631662

Use Google documents with a screen reader
https://docs.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=1632201

Kevin

On 10/1/11, Paul Hopewell hopew...@hopewell.org.uk wrote:
 Hello,
 Following recent posts I am playing with Google chrome with chrome-vox and
 google docs. I am currently finding it very confusing and would appreciate
 any pointer to some good beginners documentation.

 I have a Google account and I have installed the standard Google chrome (not
 chrome canary) and have chrome-vox and google docs installed. Google chrome
 now generates lots of mysterious sounds and often speaks in my default voice
 (not the voice I am using for VoiceOver). In many cases the screen info is
 inaccessible using standard VO keys but is accessible using tab and arrow
 keys which cause Google chrome to speak in my default voice. At present it
 is all very confusing.

 Should I have installed chrome canary rather than the standard chrome? I see
 that chrome canary is the latest nightly untested chrome build and I saw
 several posts about it frequently crashing. Hence I have so far avoided it.

 What do you chrome enthusiasts recommend I should do and where can I best
 read some basic info? I would like to get to the stage of uploading a
 Microsoft word document from my iMac local hard disk and then editing it
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Re: Google chrome

2011-10-03 Thread Michael Busboom
Hello Kevin or anyone else,

I haven't been following the Google accessibility threads at all because I 
didn't figure I would need to use any of the Google apps.  However, I heard 
that the Google browser worked with BlackBoard, and if this is true, this is 
very important for me.  Could someone please tell me what I need to download in 
order for the Google apps to work on my Mac Book running Lion?  As far as 
BlackBoard is concerned, can anyone tell me if it is possible with the Google 
browser to reliably work with the discussion boards for individual university 
classes?

Thank you,

Mike

On 3,Oct,2011, at 12:37 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:

 Navigate your Documents List with a screen reader
 https://docs.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=1631662
 
 Use Google documents with a screen reader
 https://docs.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=1632201
 
 Kevin
 
 On 10/1/11, Paul Hopewell hopew...@hopewell.org.uk wrote:
 Hello,
 Following recent posts I am playing with Google chrome with chrome-vox and
 google docs. I am currently finding it very confusing and would appreciate
 any pointer to some good beginners documentation.
 
 I have a Google account and I have installed the standard Google chrome (not
 chrome canary) and have chrome-vox and google docs installed. Google chrome
 now generates lots of mysterious sounds and often speaks in my default voice
 (not the voice I am using for VoiceOver). In many cases the screen info is
 inaccessible using standard VO keys but is accessible using tab and arrow
 keys which cause Google chrome to speak in my default voice. At present it
 is all very confusing.
 
 Should I have installed chrome canary rather than the standard chrome? I see
 that chrome canary is the latest nightly untested chrome build and I saw
 several posts about it frequently crashing. Hence I have so far avoided it.
 
 What do you chrome enthusiasts recommend I should do and where can I best
 read some basic info? I would like to get to the stage of uploading a
 Microsoft word document from my iMac local hard disk and then editing it
 using chrome.
 
 Many thanks for any tips
 
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Google chrome

2011-10-01 Thread Paul Hopewell
Hello, 
Following recent posts I am playing with Google chrome with chrome-vox and 
google docs. I am currently finding it very confusing and would appreciate any 
pointer to some good beginners documentation. 

I have a Google account and I have installed the standard Google chrome (not 
chrome canary) and have chrome-vox and google docs installed. Google chrome now 
generates lots of mysterious sounds and often speaks in my default voice (not 
the voice I am using for VoiceOver). In many cases the screen info is 
inaccessible using standard VO keys but is accessible using tab and arrow keys 
which cause Google chrome to speak in my default voice. At present it is all 
very confusing. 

Should I have installed chrome canary rather than the standard chrome? I see 
that chrome canary is the latest nightly untested chrome build and I saw 
several posts about it frequently crashing. Hence I have so far avoided it. 

What do you chrome enthusiasts recommend I should do and where can I best read 
some basic info? I would like to get to the stage of uploading a Microsoft word 
document from my iMac local hard disk and then editing it using chrome. 

Many thanks for any tips

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Re: Google Chrome, ChromeVox, and Apps

2011-09-28 Thread Kevin Chao
As a college student and  an employee where professors, students, and
co-workers are all using Google Docs. It's extremely exciting,
empowering, and equalizing that I am able to use it as well with a
consistent and unified experience on Mac OS X and other platforms. For
me, Mac OS X with the various productivity/office suite and web
browser have not allowed me to be productive, such as iWork (also
tried Open Office, Libra Office, Bean, and Tables)  and Safari (also
tried Webkit and Lightning) have not allowed me to be productive.
However, Google has changed all of this. With Chrome, ChromeVox, Docs,
and other Google Apps; I am able to be productive on my Mac.

Voiceover will work with Chrome, but the very same issues that occurs
with Safari will exist, such as focus lost, inability to interact with
HTML content, web rotor/item chooser missing elements/items, lag, TAB
key being inconsistent, moving among various HTML elements will
require several attempts, and many other issues.

ChromeVox is an extension that has very deep integration with Chrome,
removes several layers of abstractions, and allows for things to be
done that traditional desktop screen readers cannot due to it being a
web browser extension. All the issues I detailed with Safari/VoiceOver
do not exist in Chrome/ChromeVox.

many people can work on a document simultaneously,  and all of this is
possible with Docs, is accessible, and it's
possible to use other real-time features, such as chat to discuss
various points with others who you are collaborating with, several can
make changes, and it's possible to review/edit all these changes as
they're occurring. Inserting, viewing, and editing comments are also
accessible. All of this and much more with Docs applies to documents
and spreadsheets.

It's a work in progress, with Google being very interested in
feedback/input, great open communication, and will soon have updates
addressing lots of areas, which includes new features, bug fixes, and
other items, which are based on feedback. Essentially, a great web
browser and access to standard/new versions of Docs, Calendar, and
Gmail are the great highlights.

Kevin

On 9/27/11, Orin orin8...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hey all,

 Just got Google Chrome and I'm loving it so far, Particularly the fast load
 times. Downloading the current stable version the first time, I noticed that
 Youtube links, when clicked on such as video links to switch videos were not
 working, and the see all links were not working either.

 Also, in preferences, the default is basics. How can I switch this? The
 Youtube thing can probably be changed with a preference. When I get time
 I'll install ChromeVox at some point, just seems like a lot of steps being
 that it's late now.

 Orin
 orin8...@gmail.com
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 Skype: orin1112



 On Sep 27, 2011, at 9:01 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:

 Google is very committed, understanding, and has done an incredible
 job with accessibility. In particular, Chrome, ChromeVox (Chrome
 extension), Apps (Docs [documents/spreadsheets], Calendar, and Gmail).
 This package results in a very effective, efficient, powerful, and
 top-notch productivity suite. All is needed is Chrome, ChromeVox, and
 a Gmail/Apps ID. I've been using Google apps, especially
 documents/spreadsheets for the last several days within Chrome and
 ChromeVox extension and find it to be great.

 Please see below for all the links/details needed to get going with a
 universally accessible, powerful, robust, and first-class productivity
 suite.

 Google Chrome Canary (Mac web browser powering ChromeVox/Apps):
 http://j.mp/oWZ7Of
 Installing ChromeVox as a packed extension
 http://j.mp/nmnNR5
 ChromeVox User Guide:
 http://t.co/b9ABBkv
 Use Google Docs with a screen reader
 http://goo.gl/cmeHV
 Google accessibility feedback:
 http://goo.gl/wePru

 FYI: new/standard UI/look/view is recommended and will work with
 Chrome/ChromeVox.

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