Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[meadowlark77]

I'd rather do that, I believe.

Thanks,

Brenda

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From: "Sandratomkins" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?


Brenda,
Have you thought about getting a good battery backup for your phone rather 
than paying out huge money for another device? There are lots of options on 
the market and they are not too pricey.

Sandy

Sent from my iPhone

> On 16 Nov 2013, at 15:36, "meadowlark77"  wrote:
>
> Alright, then. Sounds good to me. That, I do believe, is how I'm going to
> go.
>
> Take care and thanks,
>
> Brenda
>
> mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Andy Collins" 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 4:19 AM
> Subject: Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
>
>
> Brenda - I use my phone mostly in that way too, and will use it when on
> charge if I want too. It will be cheaper to get a replacement battery if 
> it
> goes, than to buy a second device to conserve the kphone's battery -
>
> Andy
>> On 16 Nov 2013, at 04:00, "meadowlark77"  wrote:
>>
>> This is sure interesting. I love my iPhone, but figured, due to the
>> battery
>> life, which isn't long, and due to the fact that, I don't know, seriously
>> if
>> we can leave it on the charger, when we play books and the like, I had
>> thought bout getting something else, to give my phone, which I use for
>> more
>> than a phone and only the hone, when I need to make calls, I figured I'd
>> start asking around what people think. I love that phone, but mainly I 
>> use
>> it for computing purposes of all kinds, and listening to radio stations
>> and
>> books and the like.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brenda
>>
>> mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Glenn" 
>> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 8:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
>>
>>
>> Actually, an iPhone is better than an iPad if you are Blind.
>> Usually the processor and camera is better on the iPhone than it is on 
>> the
>> iPad, and I'm not sure if the iPad has GPS built in.
>> I have suggested that the best iPad costs as much as a new iPhone without
>> a
>> phone contract.
>> So basically, I recommend that Blind folk get the iPhone from Apple and
>> just
>> don't take it in to be used as a phone.
>> Sighted folk like the large display, but I have found the gestures harder
>> on
>> an iPad because of the large screen.
>> Glenn
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "meadowlark77" 
>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:40 PM
>> Subject: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
>>
>>
>> Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe
>> iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I 
>> use
>> my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail,
>> write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so
>> on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use
>> your
>> phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences 
>> between
>> the iPad and the iPhone 5?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brenda
>>
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Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[Sandratomkins]

Brenda,
Have you thought about getting a good battery backup for your phone rather than 
paying out huge money for another device? There are lots of options on the 
market and they are not too pricey.

Sandy

Sent from my iPhone

> On 16 Nov 2013, at 15:36, "meadowlark77"  wrote:
> 
> Alright, then. Sounds good to me. That, I do believe, is how I'm going to 
> go.
> 
> Take care and thanks,
> 
> Brenda
> 
> mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Andy Collins" 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 4:19 AM
> Subject: Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
> 
> 
> Brenda - I use my phone mostly in that way too, and will use it when on 
> charge if I want too. It will be cheaper to get a replacement battery if it 
> goes, than to buy a second device to conserve the kphone's battery -
> 
> Andy
>> On 16 Nov 2013, at 04:00, "meadowlark77"  wrote:
>> 
>> This is sure interesting. I love my iPhone, but figured, due to the 
>> battery
>> life, which isn't long, and due to the fact that, I don't know, seriously 
>> if
>> we can leave it on the charger, when we play books and the like, I had
>> thought bout getting something else, to give my phone, which I use for 
>> more
>> than a phone and only the hone, when I need to make calls, I figured I'd
>> start asking around what people think. I love that phone, but mainly I use
>> it for computing purposes of all kinds, and listening to radio stations 
>> and
>> books and the like.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Brenda
>> 
>> mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Glenn" 
>> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 8:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
>> 
>> 
>> Actually, an iPhone is better than an iPad if you are Blind.
>> Usually the processor and camera is better on the iPhone than it is on the
>> iPad, and I'm not sure if the iPad has GPS built in.
>> I have suggested that the best iPad costs as much as a new iPhone without 
>> a
>> phone contract.
>> So basically, I recommend that Blind folk get the iPhone from Apple and 
>> just
>> don't take it in to be used as a phone.
>> Sighted folk like the large display, but I have found the gestures harder 
>> on
>> an iPad because of the large screen.
>> Glenn
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "meadowlark77" 
>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:40 PM
>> Subject: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
>> 
>> 
>> Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe
>> iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I use
>> my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail,
>> write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so
>> on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use 
>> your
>> phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences between
>> the iPad and the iPhone 5?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Brenda
>> 
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Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[meadowlark77]

Alright, then. Sounds good to me. That, I do believe, is how I'm going to 
go.

Take care and thanks,

Brenda

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- Original Message - 
From: "Andy Collins" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 4:19 AM
Subject: Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?


Brenda - I use my phone mostly in that way too, and will use it when on 
charge if I want too. It will be cheaper to get a replacement battery if it 
goes, than to buy a second device to conserve the kphone's battery -

Andy
On 16 Nov 2013, at 04:00, "meadowlark77"  wrote:

> This is sure interesting. I love my iPhone, but figured, due to the 
> battery
> life, which isn't long, and due to the fact that, I don't know, seriously 
> if
> we can leave it on the charger, when we play books and the like, I had
> thought bout getting something else, to give my phone, which I use for 
> more
> than a phone and only the hone, when I need to make calls, I figured I'd
> start asking around what people think. I love that phone, but mainly I use
> it for computing purposes of all kinds, and listening to radio stations 
> and
> books and the like.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brenda
>
> mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Glenn" 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 8:34 PM
> Subject: Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
>
>
> Actually, an iPhone is better than an iPad if you are Blind.
> Usually the processor and camera is better on the iPhone than it is on the
> iPad, and I'm not sure if the iPad has GPS built in.
> I have suggested that the best iPad costs as much as a new iPhone without 
> a
> phone contract.
> So basically, I recommend that Blind folk get the iPhone from Apple and 
> just
> don't take it in to be used as a phone.
> Sighted folk like the large display, but I have found the gestures harder 
> on
> an iPad because of the large screen.
> Glenn
> - Original Message - 
> From: "meadowlark77" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:40 PM
> Subject: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
>
>
> Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe
> iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I use
> my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail,
> write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so
> on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use 
> your
> phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences between
> the iPad and the iPhone 5?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brenda
>
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Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[Glenn]

It depends on which iPad one gets.
Glenn
- Original Message - 
From: "Andy Collins" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 4:16 AM
Subject: Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?


I think the price comparison isn't quite correct here. The iPhone 5s costs 
£549, and I think I recall that the iPad air was £299 and £399 for the 
cellular version -

Andy
On 18 Nov 2013, at 02:34, Glenn  wrote:

> Actually, an iPhone is better than an iPad if you are Blind.
> Usually the processor and camera is better on the iPhone than it is on the
> iPad, and I'm not sure if the iPad has GPS built in.
> I have suggested that the best iPad costs as much as a new iPhone without 
> a
> phone contract.
> So basically, I recommend that Blind folk get the iPhone from Apple and 
> just
> don't take it in to be used as a phone.
> Sighted folk like the large display, but I have found the gestures harder 
> on
> an iPad because of the large screen.
> Glenn
> - Original Message - 
> From: "meadowlark77" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:40 PM
> Subject: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
>
>
> Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe
> iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I use
> my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail,
> write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so
> on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use 
> your
> phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences between
> the iPad and the iPhone 5?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brenda
>
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Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[Andy Collins]

Brenda - I use my phone mostly in that way too, and will use it when on charge 
if I want too. It will be cheaper to get a replacement battery if it goes, than 
to buy a second device to conserve the kphone's battery -

Andy
On 16 Nov 2013, at 04:00, "meadowlark77"  wrote:

> This is sure interesting. I love my iPhone, but figured, due to the battery 
> life, which isn't long, and due to the fact that, I don't know, seriously if 
> we can leave it on the charger, when we play books and the like, I had 
> thought bout getting something else, to give my phone, which I use for more 
> than a phone and only the hone, when I need to make calls, I figured I'd 
> start asking around what people think. I love that phone, but mainly I use 
> it for computing purposes of all kinds, and listening to radio stations and 
> books and the like.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brenda
> 
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> - Original Message - 
> From: "Glenn" 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 8:34 PM
> Subject: Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
> 
> 
> Actually, an iPhone is better than an iPad if you are Blind.
> Usually the processor and camera is better on the iPhone than it is on the
> iPad, and I'm not sure if the iPad has GPS built in.
> I have suggested that the best iPad costs as much as a new iPhone without a
> phone contract.
> So basically, I recommend that Blind folk get the iPhone from Apple and just
> don't take it in to be used as a phone.
> Sighted folk like the large display, but I have found the gestures harder on
> an iPad because of the large screen.
> Glenn
> - Original Message - 
> From: "meadowlark77" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:40 PM
> Subject: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
> 
> 
> Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe
> iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I use
> my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail,
> write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so
> on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use your
> phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences between
> the iPad and the iPhone 5?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brenda
> 
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Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[Andy Collins]

I think the price comparison isn't quite correct here. The iPhone 5s costs 
£549, and I think I recall that the iPad air was £299 and £399 for the cellular 
version -

Andy
On 18 Nov 2013, at 02:34, Glenn  wrote:

> Actually, an iPhone is better than an iPad if you are Blind.
> Usually the processor and camera is better on the iPhone than it is on the 
> iPad, and I'm not sure if the iPad has GPS built in.
> I have suggested that the best iPad costs as much as a new iPhone without a 
> phone contract.
> So basically, I recommend that Blind folk get the iPhone from Apple and just 
> don't take it in to be used as a phone.
> Sighted folk like the large display, but I have found the gestures harder on 
> an iPad because of the large screen.
> Glenn
> - Original Message - 
> From: "meadowlark77" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:40 PM
> Subject: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
> 
> 
> Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe
> iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I use
> my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail,
> write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so
> on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use your
> phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences between
> the iPad and the iPhone 5?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brenda
> 
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RE: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[Paula Hobley]

Generally electronics stores will turn on VoiceOver for you so that you can
have a play.  It might be worth going somewhere close if that is an option
and checking out the IPad so that you can get a feel of what it is like with
VO.

Cheers

Paula


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From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of meadowlark77
Sent: Friday, 15 November 2013 3:15 PM
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

Oo! This is very interesting. I wonder what I'd actually think. Too bad I
can't go get the feel of one with the screen reader running and so on.

Take care,

Brenda

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- Original Message -
From: "Paula Hobley" 
To: "'OS X & iOS Accessibility'" 
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 7:45 PM
Subject: RE: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?


Hi there

I am totally blind and I have both.  I use both for different things.  I
love using my IPad for reading, as the pages don't turn as often as they do
on the phone, and the battery lasts a lot longer. I also use it for word
processing when I'm out and about.  I like the Bluetooth keyboard case for
the IPad as everything just folds in on itself.  I am not so fond of how the
menus look in settings, I find it more difficult to conceptualise. I think
it all comes down to personal preference.

Cheers

Paula


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[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Friday, 15 November 2013 11:16 AM
To: 'OS X & iOS Accessibility'
Subject: RE: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

As far as I can see there are no compelling reasons for a blind user to
require an iPad in addition to an iPhone, apart from possible better battery
life.
The physical size of the iPad makes the onscreen keyboard larger but a cheap
external Bluetooth keyboard   on an iPhone will give a better keyboard
experience anyway.

If however, you have some useful vision then the situation is completely
different and there are of course lots of advantages in having a bigger
display area to look at. As I am not in that category nobody has ever been
able to explain to me what advantage an iPad would have over an iPhone. At
the margins there is apparently a version of Quick Office on the iPad which
is accessible on that platform whilst it remains inaccessible on the iPhone.
However Pages will meet most word processing  needs and I do not routinely
use Spreadsheets on a mobile device.

So in essence the case for a blind user investing in an iPad in addition to
a phone seem very tenuous to me.

David Griffith

David Griffith


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[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of meadowlark77
Sent: 14 November 2013 23:40
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe
iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I use
my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail,
write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so
on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use your

phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences between
the iPad and the iPhone 5?

Thanks,

Brenda

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Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[meadowlark77]

This is sure interesting. I love my iPhone, but figured, due to the battery 
life, which isn't long, and due to the fact that, I don't know, seriously if 
we can leave it on the charger, when we play books and the like, I had 
thought bout getting something else, to give my phone, which I use for more 
than a phone and only the hone, when I need to make calls, I figured I'd 
start asking around what people think. I love that phone, but mainly I use 
it for computing purposes of all kinds, and listening to radio stations and 
books and the like.

Thanks,

Brenda

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From: "Glenn" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?


Actually, an iPhone is better than an iPad if you are Blind.
Usually the processor and camera is better on the iPhone than it is on the
iPad, and I'm not sure if the iPad has GPS built in.
I have suggested that the best iPad costs as much as a new iPhone without a
phone contract.
So basically, I recommend that Blind folk get the iPhone from Apple and just
don't take it in to be used as a phone.
Sighted folk like the large display, but I have found the gestures harder on
an iPad because of the large screen.
Glenn
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From: "meadowlark77" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:40 PM
Subject: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?


Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe
iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I use
my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail,
write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so
on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use your
phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences between
the iPad and the iPhone 5?

Thanks,

Brenda

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Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[meadowlark77]

I don't know what the capacity is, but it's both wifi and cellular.

Take care,

Brenda

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From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
To: "'OS X & iOS Accessibility'" 
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 12:34 PM
Subject: RE: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?


When you say $530 for the Air, what capassity are you speaking of, and are
we talking wifi only, or are we talking with cellular service?

Chris.


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Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 11:08 AM
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Subject: Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

Here it is $369.99. I gotta wait for another month or two. The iPad Air is
$530.

Take care,

Brenda

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From: "Chris H" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?


Affordability is a factor definitely. I see the iPad mini, not iPad mini
with retina, starts from £249 here in the UK.

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On 15/11/2013 14:53, meadowlark77 wrote:
> Yeah, it's a matter of me being able to afford one right now, and, right
> now, I cannot. Maybe before I leave the State for good, I might can, by
> that
> time.
>
> Take care and thanks,
>
> Brenda
>
> mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
> - Original Message -----
> From: "Chris H" 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 6:50 AM
> Subject: Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
>
>
> Brenda I agree with your friend or acquaintance. I couldn't possibly use
> my iPhone as a computer. The battery would run out just from a few hours
> of using it constantly. I would use an iPad or iPad mini as a computer.
> Whether you actually need one though is of course up to you. But I know
> I would use the iPhone as a phone and pda and the iPad or iPad mini as a
> computer. Since I do not have such a device, I use a pc for its intended
> purpose. After all tablets like the iPad and iPad mini are designed to
> be used as a computer.
>
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>
> On 14/11/2013 23:40, meadowlark77 wrote:
>> Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe
>> iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I
>> use
>> my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail,
>> write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so
>> on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use
>> your
>> phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences
>> between
>> the iPad and the iPhone 5?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brenda
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Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[Glenn]

Actually, an iPhone is better than an iPad if you are Blind.
Usually the processor and camera is better on the iPhone than it is on the 
iPad, and I'm not sure if the iPad has GPS built in.
I have suggested that the best iPad costs as much as a new iPhone without a 
phone contract.
So basically, I recommend that Blind folk get the iPhone from Apple and just 
don't take it in to be used as a phone.
Sighted folk like the large display, but I have found the gestures harder on 
an iPad because of the large screen.
Glenn
- Original Message - 
From: "meadowlark77" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:40 PM
Subject: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?


Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe
iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I use
my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail,
write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so
on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use your
phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences between
the iPad and the iPhone 5?

Thanks,

Brenda

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RE: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

When you say $530 for the Air, what capassity are you speaking of, and are
we talking wifi only, or are we talking with cellular service?

Chris.
 

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[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of meadowlark77
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 11:08 AM
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

Here it is $369.99. I gotta wait for another month or two. The iPad Air is 
$530.

Take care,

Brenda

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- Original Message - 
From: "Chris H" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?


Affordability is a factor definitely. I see the iPad mini, not iPad mini
with retina, starts from £249 here in the UK.

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On 15/11/2013 14:53, meadowlark77 wrote:
> Yeah, it's a matter of me being able to afford one right now, and, right
> now, I cannot. Maybe before I leave the State for good, I might can, by 
> that
> time.
>
> Take care and thanks,
>
> Brenda
>
> mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
> - Original Message -
> From: "Chris H" 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 6:50 AM
> Subject: Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
>
>
> Brenda I agree with your friend or acquaintance. I couldn't possibly use
> my iPhone as a computer. The battery would run out just from a few hours
> of using it constantly. I would use an iPad or iPad mini as a computer.
> Whether you actually need one though is of course up to you. But I know
> I would use the iPhone as a phone and pda and the iPad or iPad mini as a
> computer. Since I do not have such a device, I use a pc for its intended
> purpose. After all tablets like the iPad and iPad mini are designed to
> be used as a computer.
>
> E-mail Facebook and iMessage
> christopher...@gmail.com
>
> On 14/11/2013 23:40, meadowlark77 wrote:
>> Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe
>> iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I 
>> use
>> my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail,
>> write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so
>> on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use
>> your
>> phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences 
>> between
>> the iPad and the iPhone 5?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brenda
>>
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Quick office for IPad, was: RE: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

This isn't altogether true about it being accessible on the IPad.  First
off, when I downloaded it, it told me it was free, and even upon openning
the app, it says this free app let's you open and edit/compose Microsoft
Office documents.  It seems to go through Google docks, as it made me sign
in with my Google account.  Once in, I noticed that Voiceover was ever so
slightly sluggish in places.  I also noticed that it creates a folder with
my name apparently up in the Google cloud.  I can't delete that folder, or
it signs me completely out of my Google account.  I can't even delete any
files.  I managed to create an entire folder, then was able to delete it,
but as far as deleting individual files, I couldn't find any way to do this,
and believe me, I am a very experienced Voiceover I O S user, and I spent
almost half an hour with the thing trying to figure out how to do it.
Finally, both with, and without a bluetooth keyboard, I tried composing and
editting a text file.  I noticed that back spacing/deleting characters as
well as arrowing around the document area with the bluetooth keyboard was
not only sluggish, but sometimes hitting the delete key would say nothing,
while other times it told me a character it was deleting, but was usually
about 3 or 4 characters behind on what verbally was spoken vs. what it
literally was deleting.  I know this as when on invert colors, I had barely
just enough vision to see this.  It's one of these things, some screens I
can read without Voiceover if invert colors is turned on, but I can't do it
for any more than about a minute and a half, or my head starts hurting, as I
have to really really strain to see it.  Yeah, I know about zoom, That's a
whole different e-mail, but it's not practical for me.  So, yeah, I'd say
this ap really isn't quite as accessible as people say it is.

Maybe I'm missing something, but, yeah...

Chris.

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Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[Chris H]

No it's to produce high resolution graphics.

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On 15/11/2013 16:25, Andy Collins wrote:

What actually is the retina bit of the iPads anyway? Is that about Face Time? -

Andy
On 15 Nov 2013, at 15:26, Chris H  wrote:


Affordability is a factor definitely. I see the iPad mini, not iPad mini with 
retina, starts from £249 here in the UK.

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On 15/11/2013 14:53, meadowlark77 wrote:

Yeah, it's a matter of me being able to afford one right now, and, right
now, I cannot. Maybe before I leave the State for good, I might can, by that
time.

Take care and thanks,

Brenda

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- Original Message -
From: "Chris H" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?


Brenda I agree with your friend or acquaintance. I couldn't possibly use
my iPhone as a computer. The battery would run out just from a few hours
of using it constantly. I would use an iPad or iPad mini as a computer.
Whether you actually need one though is of course up to you. But I know
I would use the iPhone as a phone and pda and the iPad or iPad mini as a
computer. Since I do not have such a device, I use a pc for its intended
purpose. After all tablets like the iPad and iPad mini are designed to
be used as a computer.

E-mail Facebook and iMessage
christopher...@gmail.com

On 14/11/2013 23:40, meadowlark77 wrote:

Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe
iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I use
my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail,
write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so
on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use
your
phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences between
the iPad and the iPhone 5?

Thanks,

Brenda

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RE: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[David Griffith]

So I was told by somebody using an iPad at the RNIB. Based on his
recommendation I purchased it for my iPhone but found it unusable.
He maintains that it is accessible on his iPad, which appears supported by
others, so we concluded that the app is inaccessible on an iPhone but
accessible on an iPad. He maintains he can use it by using straightforward
Voiceover commands.
I have no direct experience of using it on an iPad however.
David Griffith

-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark
Gilland
Sent: 15 November 2013 15:44
To: 'OS X & iOS Accessibility'
Subject: RE: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

Quick office is now accessible?  Wo baby!  Since when did that happen!

Chris.
 

-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 8:25 PM
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

I also have no vision, but I'm glad I have an iPad, and am planning to get a
mini. I use my i-devices for so much, that I would not want to depend on
just the one phone. There's  audible, Kindle iBooks. And those are just the
reading things. There is Twitter, email, and some wordprocessing. In fact, I
would be interested in knowing more about the accessible version of quick
office for iPad. This is the first I've heard of that.
In some cases, apps will look and perform differently on the two devices.
For instance, with websites, on the iPad, you get the regular website. On
the phone, you get the mobile site. Some apps are laid out differently. For
example, there is the settings app. On the iPad, you have everything down
the left for categories, and on the right as a category gets focused, you
have all the choices. So you don't have to move back and forward between so
many screens. Occasionally, an app will be more accessible on one platform
or the other. For example, the site app had been perfectly accessible on the
iPad, while on the phone it was not. Sadly this is no longer the case.
If you like things like Netflix, the sound on the iPad being stereo, is
better than it is on the phone. I myself find that app difficult to use, so
I don't go there. But others do. But the biggest reason is simply that I
don't think I could do a day on an iPhone if I had to just use that device.
The battery would run out too soon.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 14, 2013, at 4:16 PM, "David Griffith" 
wrote:

> As far as I can see there are no compelling reasons for a blind user to
> require an iPad in addition to an iPhone, apart from possible better
battery
> life.
> The physical size of the iPad makes the onscreen keyboard larger but a
cheap
> external Bluetooth keyboard   on an iPhone will give a better keyboard
> experience anyway.
> 
> If however, you have some useful vision then the situation is completely
> different and there are of course lots of advantages in having a bigger
> display area to look at. As I am not in that category nobody has ever been
> able to explain to me what advantage an iPad would have over an iPhone. At
> the margins there is apparently a version of Quick Office on the iPad
which
> is accessible on that platform whilst it remains inaccessible on the
iPhone.
> However Pages will meet most word processing  needs and I do not routinely
> use Spreadsheets on a mobile device.
> 
> So in essence the case for a blind user investing in an iPad in addition
to
> a phone seem very tenuous to me.
> 
> David Griffith
> 
> David Griffith
> 
> 
> .
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of meadowlark77
> Sent: 14 November 2013 23:40
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
> 
> Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe 
> iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I use

> my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail, 
> write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so 
> on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use
your
> 
> phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences between

> the iPad and the iPhone 5?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brenda
> 
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Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[Andy Collins]

What actually is the retina bit of the iPads anyway? Is that about Face Time? -

Andy
On 15 Nov 2013, at 15:26, Chris H  wrote:

> Affordability is a factor definitely. I see the iPad mini, not iPad mini with 
> retina, starts from £249 here in the UK.
> 
> E-mail Facebook and iMessage
> christopher...@gmail.com
> 
> On 15/11/2013 14:53, meadowlark77 wrote:
>> Yeah, it's a matter of me being able to afford one right now, and, right
>> now, I cannot. Maybe before I leave the State for good, I might can, by that
>> time.
>> 
>> Take care and thanks,
>> 
>> Brenda
>> 
>> mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Chris H" 
>> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 6:50 AM
>> Subject: Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
>> 
>> 
>> Brenda I agree with your friend or acquaintance. I couldn't possibly use
>> my iPhone as a computer. The battery would run out just from a few hours
>> of using it constantly. I would use an iPad or iPad mini as a computer.
>> Whether you actually need one though is of course up to you. But I know
>> I would use the iPhone as a phone and pda and the iPad or iPad mini as a
>> computer. Since I do not have such a device, I use a pc for its intended
>> purpose. After all tablets like the iPad and iPad mini are designed to
>> be used as a computer.
>> 
>> E-mail Facebook and iMessage
>> christopher...@gmail.com
>> 
>> On 14/11/2013 23:40, meadowlark77 wrote:
>>> Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe
>>> iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I use
>>> my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail,
>>> write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so
>>> on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use
>>> your
>>> phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences between
>>> the iPad and the iPhone 5?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Brenda
>>> 
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Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[Shannon Reece]

Hello,
I have a developmentally delayed daughter, and once I got familiar and savvy 
with my iPhone, I began to wonder if an iPad, with all the special ed apps 
available, would be of help to her. It has been most definitely, but for me, 
the iPad was not a fun learning experience. It, to me, was far harder than the 
iPhone, mostly because of the larger screen real estate and the fact that if I 
opened settings for example and then opened general, the main settings window 
was on the left side and the options in general are on the right.
I have a couple of my favorite apps on my daugher’s iPad, but I used it only to 
learn. My iPhone is my iOS device of choice. 
The iPad app store was the hardest thing about the whole experience, learning 
it made me cry in utter frustration. 
I’m glad I learned it and my daughter loves it, but IMO, I did a lot better 
with it having learned the iPHone first.
Just my 1.5 cents worth.
Shannon
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Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[meadowlark77]

Here it is $369.99. I gotta wait for another month or two. The iPad Air is 
$530.

Take care,

Brenda

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- Original Message - 
From: "Chris H" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?


Affordability is a factor definitely. I see the iPad mini, not iPad mini
with retina, starts from £249 here in the UK.

E-mail Facebook and iMessage
christopher...@gmail.com

On 15/11/2013 14:53, meadowlark77 wrote:
> Yeah, it's a matter of me being able to afford one right now, and, right
> now, I cannot. Maybe before I leave the State for good, I might can, by 
> that
> time.
>
> Take care and thanks,
>
> Brenda
>
> mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
> - Original Message -
> From: "Chris H" 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 6:50 AM
> Subject: Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
>
>
> Brenda I agree with your friend or acquaintance. I couldn't possibly use
> my iPhone as a computer. The battery would run out just from a few hours
> of using it constantly. I would use an iPad or iPad mini as a computer.
> Whether you actually need one though is of course up to you. But I know
> I would use the iPhone as a phone and pda and the iPad or iPad mini as a
> computer. Since I do not have such a device, I use a pc for its intended
> purpose. After all tablets like the iPad and iPad mini are designed to
> be used as a computer.
>
> E-mail Facebook and iMessage
> christopher...@gmail.com
>
> On 14/11/2013 23:40, meadowlark77 wrote:
>> Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe
>> iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I 
>> use
>> my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail,
>> write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so
>> on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use
>> your
>> phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences 
>> between
>> the iPad and the iPhone 5?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brenda
>>
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RE: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Quick office is now accessible?  Wo baby!  Since when did that happen!

Chris.
 

-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 8:25 PM
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

I also have no vision, but I'm glad I have an iPad, and am planning to get a
mini. I use my i-devices for so much, that I would not want to depend on
just the one phone. There's  audible, Kindle iBooks. And those are just the
reading things. There is Twitter, email, and some wordprocessing. In fact, I
would be interested in knowing more about the accessible version of quick
office for iPad. This is the first I've heard of that.
In some cases, apps will look and perform differently on the two devices.
For instance, with websites, on the iPad, you get the regular website. On
the phone, you get the mobile site. Some apps are laid out differently. For
example, there is the settings app. On the iPad, you have everything down
the left for categories, and on the right as a category gets focused, you
have all the choices. So you don't have to move back and forward between so
many screens. Occasionally, an app will be more accessible on one platform
or the other. For example, the site app had been perfectly accessible on the
iPad, while on the phone it was not. Sadly this is no longer the case.
If you like things like Netflix, the sound on the iPad being stereo, is
better than it is on the phone. I myself find that app difficult to use, so
I don't go there. But others do. But the biggest reason is simply that I
don't think I could do a day on an iPhone if I had to just use that device.
The battery would run out too soon.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 14, 2013, at 4:16 PM, "David Griffith" 
wrote:

> As far as I can see there are no compelling reasons for a blind user to
> require an iPad in addition to an iPhone, apart from possible better
battery
> life.
> The physical size of the iPad makes the onscreen keyboard larger but a
cheap
> external Bluetooth keyboard   on an iPhone will give a better keyboard
> experience anyway.
> 
> If however, you have some useful vision then the situation is completely
> different and there are of course lots of advantages in having a bigger
> display area to look at. As I am not in that category nobody has ever been
> able to explain to me what advantage an iPad would have over an iPhone. At
> the margins there is apparently a version of Quick Office on the iPad
which
> is accessible on that platform whilst it remains inaccessible on the
iPhone.
> However Pages will meet most word processing  needs and I do not routinely
> use Spreadsheets on a mobile device.
> 
> So in essence the case for a blind user investing in an iPad in addition
to
> a phone seem very tenuous to me.
> 
> David Griffith
> 
> David Griffith
> 
> 
> .
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of meadowlark77
> Sent: 14 November 2013 23:40
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
> 
> Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe 
> iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I use

> my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail, 
> write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so 
> on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use
your
> 
> phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences between

> the iPad and the iPhone 5?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brenda
> 
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RE: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

And, provided that they have Siri enabled.  I've seen some displays where it
wasn't, though it's very very rare.

Chris.
 

-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Andy Collins
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 6:26 AM
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

I would guess in a lot of cases you don't even need an assistant to turn VO
on for you when you are in a store. As long as the device on demonstration
is connected to the Internet, just press and hold the home key, and ask Siri
to turn on voice over -

Andy
On 15 Nov 2013, at 04:19, Mary Otten  wrote:

> Hi Brenda,
> So, you don't have an Apple Store or a Mac store near you? How about a
Best Buy? Staples? Even Walmart? Lots of stores are carrying iPads these
days. And all you have to do is get someone to turn voice over on for you
when you're in the store.
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 14, 2013, at 8:15 PM, "meadowlark77"  wrote:
> 
>> Oo! This is very interesting. I wonder what I'd actually think. Too bad I

>> can't go get the feel of one with the screen reader running and so on.
>> 
>> Take care,
>> 
>> Brenda
>> 
>> mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Paula Hobley" 
>> To: "'OS X & iOS Accessibility'" 
>> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 7:45 PM
>> Subject: RE: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
>> 
>> 
>> Hi there
>> 
>> I am totally blind and I have both.  I use both for different things.  I
>> love using my IPad for reading, as the pages don't turn as often as they
do
>> on the phone, and the battery lasts a lot longer. I also use it for word
>> processing when I'm out and about.  I like the Bluetooth keyboard case
for
>> the IPad as everything just folds in on itself.  I am not so fond of how
the
>> menus look in settings, I find it more difficult to conceptualise. I
think
>> it all comes down to personal preference.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Paula
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of David Griffith
>> Sent: Friday, 15 November 2013 11:16 AM
>> To: 'OS X & iOS Accessibility'
>> Subject: RE: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
>> 
>> As far as I can see there are no compelling reasons for a blind user to
>> require an iPad in addition to an iPhone, apart from possible better
battery
>> life.
>> The physical size of the iPad makes the onscreen keyboard larger but a
cheap
>> external Bluetooth keyboard   on an iPhone will give a better keyboard
>> experience anyway.
>> 
>> If however, you have some useful vision then the situation is completely
>> different and there are of course lots of advantages in having a bigger
>> display area to look at. As I am not in that category nobody has ever
been
>> able to explain to me what advantage an iPad would have over an iPhone.
At
>> the margins there is apparently a version of Quick Office on the iPad
which
>> is accessible on that platform whilst it remains inaccessible on the
iPhone.
>> However Pages will meet most word processing  needs and I do not
routinely
>> use Spreadsheets on a mobile device.
>> 
>> So in essence the case for a blind user investing in an iPad in addition
to
>> a phone seem very tenuous to me.
>> 
>> David Griffith
>> 
>> David Griffith
>> 
>> 
>> .
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of meadowlark77
>> Sent: 14 November 2013 23:40
>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
>> 
>> Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe
>> iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I
use
>> my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail,
>> write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so
>> on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use
your
>> 
>> phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences
between
>> the iPad and the iPhone 5?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Brenda
>> 
>> mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
>> 
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>> To reply to 

Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[Chris H]

Affordability is a factor definitely. I see the iPad mini, not iPad mini 
with retina, starts from £249 here in the UK.


E-mail Facebook and iMessage
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On 15/11/2013 14:53, meadowlark77 wrote:

Yeah, it's a matter of me being able to afford one right now, and, right
now, I cannot. Maybe before I leave the State for good, I might can, by that
time.

Take care and thanks,

Brenda

mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
- Original Message -
From: "Chris H" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?


Brenda I agree with your friend or acquaintance. I couldn't possibly use
my iPhone as a computer. The battery would run out just from a few hours
of using it constantly. I would use an iPad or iPad mini as a computer.
Whether you actually need one though is of course up to you. But I know
I would use the iPhone as a phone and pda and the iPad or iPad mini as a
computer. Since I do not have such a device, I use a pc for its intended
purpose. After all tablets like the iPad and iPad mini are designed to
be used as a computer.

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On 14/11/2013 23:40, meadowlark77 wrote:

Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe
iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I use
my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail,
write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so
on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use
your
phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences between
the iPad and the iPhone 5?

Thanks,

Brenda

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Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[meadowlark77]

Yeah, it's a matter of me being able to afford one right now, and, right 
now, I cannot. Maybe before I leave the State for good, I might can, by that 
time.

Take care and thanks,

Brenda

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- Original Message - 
From: "Chris H" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?


Brenda I agree with your friend or acquaintance. I couldn't possibly use
my iPhone as a computer. The battery would run out just from a few hours
of using it constantly. I would use an iPad or iPad mini as a computer.
Whether you actually need one though is of course up to you. But I know
I would use the iPhone as a phone and pda and the iPad or iPad mini as a
computer. Since I do not have such a device, I use a pc for its intended
purpose. After all tablets like the iPad and iPad mini are designed to
be used as a computer.

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On 14/11/2013 23:40, meadowlark77 wrote:
> Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe
> iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I use
> my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail,
> write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so
> on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use 
> your
> phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences between
> the iPad and the iPhone 5?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brenda
>
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Re:. advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[Artie!]

I wasn't going to jump in here until I read "Best Buy".  We have had 
only negative experiences at the Best Buy store in the Mall near us. In email 
groups of blind peple, it is known as "Worst Buy, the place to avoid.  They try 
to sell their own extended warranty, which isn't worth the paper it is written 
on.   There is always an excuse why the problem isn't covered.  
For iProducts, the Apple warranty gets you in keeping with the company.  
You would not buy a Caddy and have it warranteed by Studebaker.

WalMart, of course, if you can find an employee, they have no knowledge of 
what their electronic products are and how to work them, except maybe to turn a 
TV on and off.

I read in one response about Pages on the iPad. We bought Pages for our 
Apple computers, and removed it from both Princess Linda's and my laptop.  We 
use the text edidt and find that ooo much easier.  She has the iPad, but 
does not hav the text edit on it.  What for?  
Artie.

From: "Mary Otten" 
November 14, 2013 11:19 PM


Hi Brenda,
So, you don't have an Apple Store or a Mac store near you? How about a Best 
Buy? Staples? Even Walmart? Lots of stores are carrying iPads these days. And 
all you have to do is get someone to turn voice over on for you when you're in 
the store.
Mary


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RE: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[Linda C. Knight]

Hi all,

I have an iPad 3 and a beautiful iPhone 4S.

I plan to use these 2 devices interchangeably with a braille display.

I have cochlear implants and have some issues with continuly using
artificial speech on both devices and mac and windows.

I love my hearing ability, but I am so looking forward to working my devices
quietly and preserving my listening abilities for conversations and phone
conversations with family and friends.

I am planning to use the services of Relay for businesses.

I love the speaker on the iPad as it is a bit bigger than the iPhone, but I
have my music on the iPad due to the fact that the speaker on it makes the
sound of the music in lower tones than iPod touch.

I like the iPhone for reading when I am out of the house. I usually don't
take my iPad out the door. LOL!

I also love reading on the iPad.

Usually on both devices, I use the wonderfulness that is the Apple Wireless
keyboard. I have the k800 Keyboard so I can use for both the iPhone and
IPad.

Yesterday I ordered a external battery power source which is very small and
will give power to my iPhone when battery is running low. I got it through
Verizon.



Hugs and 73
Linda C. Knight & shirley
CallSign: kk4hrg
Please note email:
l...@tampabay.rr.com


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Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[Chris H]

Brenda I agree with your friend or acquaintance. I couldn't possibly use 
my iPhone as a computer. The battery would run out just from a few hours 
of using it constantly. I would use an iPad or iPad mini as a computer. 
Whether you actually need one though is of course up to you. But I know 
I would use the iPhone as a phone and pda and the iPad or iPad mini as a 
computer. Since I do not have such a device, I use a pc for its intended 
purpose. After all tablets like the iPad and iPad mini are designed to 
be used as a computer.


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On 14/11/2013 23:40, meadowlark77 wrote:

Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe
iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I use
my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail,
write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so
on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use your
phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences between
the iPad and the iPhone 5?

Thanks,

Brenda

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Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[Andy Collins]

I would guess in a lot of cases you don't even need an assistant to turn VO on 
for you when you are in a store. As long as the device on demonstration is 
connected to the Internet, just press and hold the home key, and ask Siri to 
turn on voice over -

Andy
On 15 Nov 2013, at 04:19, Mary Otten  wrote:

> Hi Brenda,
> So, you don't have an Apple Store or a Mac store near you? How about a Best 
> Buy? Staples? Even Walmart? Lots of stores are carrying iPads these days. And 
> all you have to do is get someone to turn voice over on for you when you're 
> in the store.
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 14, 2013, at 8:15 PM, "meadowlark77"  wrote:
> 
>> Oo! This is very interesting. I wonder what I'd actually think. Too bad I 
>> can't go get the feel of one with the screen reader running and so on.
>> 
>> Take care,
>> 
>> Brenda
>> 
>> mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Paula Hobley" 
>> To: "'OS X & iOS Accessibility'" 
>> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 7:45 PM
>> Subject: RE: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
>> 
>> 
>> Hi there
>> 
>> I am totally blind and I have both.  I use both for different things.  I
>> love using my IPad for reading, as the pages don't turn as often as they do
>> on the phone, and the battery lasts a lot longer. I also use it for word
>> processing when I'm out and about.  I like the Bluetooth keyboard case for
>> the IPad as everything just folds in on itself.  I am not so fond of how the
>> menus look in settings, I find it more difficult to conceptualise. I think
>> it all comes down to personal preference.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Paula
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of David Griffith
>> Sent: Friday, 15 November 2013 11:16 AM
>> To: 'OS X & iOS Accessibility'
>> Subject: RE: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
>> 
>> As far as I can see there are no compelling reasons for a blind user to
>> require an iPad in addition to an iPhone, apart from possible better battery
>> life.
>> The physical size of the iPad makes the onscreen keyboard larger but a cheap
>> external Bluetooth keyboard   on an iPhone will give a better keyboard
>> experience anyway.
>> 
>> If however, you have some useful vision then the situation is completely
>> different and there are of course lots of advantages in having a bigger
>> display area to look at. As I am not in that category nobody has ever been
>> able to explain to me what advantage an iPad would have over an iPhone. At
>> the margins there is apparently a version of Quick Office on the iPad which
>> is accessible on that platform whilst it remains inaccessible on the iPhone.
>> However Pages will meet most word processing  needs and I do not routinely
>> use Spreadsheets on a mobile device.
>> 
>> So in essence the case for a blind user investing in an iPad in addition to
>> a phone seem very tenuous to me.
>> 
>> David Griffith
>> 
>> David Griffith
>> 
>> 
>> .
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of meadowlark77
>> Sent: 14 November 2013 23:40
>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
>> 
>> Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe
>> iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I use
>> my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail,
>> write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so
>> on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use your
>> 
>> phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences between
>> the iPad and the iPhone 5?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Brenda
>> 
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Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[meadowlark77]

My Apple Store is about 45 minutes from here, but Verizon and Wal-Mart are 
right down the road from here. I saw an iPad in Verizon theother day, but I 
didn ot get them to turn VoiceOver on. I looked at the iPad, Mini, the iPad, 
regular size and the iPad Air, but did not get them to turn it on. I 
couldn't afford the price then. I'm actually asking for a friend of mine, 
too, abot all this. Are the iPads at a good volume? I know the iPhones are 
louder than the iPods, for example. What about the iPads?

Thanks in advance,

Brenda

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From: "Mary Otten" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?


Hi Brenda,
So, you don't have an Apple Store or a Mac store near you? How about a Best 
Buy? Staples? Even Walmart? Lots of stores are carrying iPads these days. 
And all you have to do is get someone to turn voice over on for you when 
you're in the store.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 14, 2013, at 8:15 PM, "meadowlark77"  wrote:

> Oo! This is very interesting. I wonder what I'd actually think. Too bad I
> can't go get the feel of one with the screen reader running and so on.
>
> Take care,
>
> Brenda
>
> mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Paula Hobley" 
> To: "'OS X & iOS Accessibility'" 
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 7:45 PM
> Subject: RE: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
>
>
> Hi there
>
> I am totally blind and I have both.  I use both for different things.  I
> love using my IPad for reading, as the pages don't turn as often as they 
> do
> on the phone, and the battery lasts a lot longer. I also use it for word
> processing when I'm out and about.  I like the Bluetooth keyboard case for
> the IPad as everything just folds in on itself.  I am not so fond of how 
> the
> menus look in settings, I find it more difficult to conceptualise. I think
> it all comes down to personal preference.
>
> Cheers
>
> Paula
>
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of David Griffith
> Sent: Friday, 15 November 2013 11:16 AM
> To: 'OS X & iOS Accessibility'
> Subject: RE: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
>
> As far as I can see there are no compelling reasons for a blind user to
> require an iPad in addition to an iPhone, apart from possible better 
> battery
> life.
> The physical size of the iPad makes the onscreen keyboard larger but a 
> cheap
> external Bluetooth keyboard   on an iPhone will give a better keyboard
> experience anyway.
>
> If however, you have some useful vision then the situation is completely
> different and there are of course lots of advantages in having a bigger
> display area to look at. As I am not in that category nobody has ever been
> able to explain to me what advantage an iPad would have over an iPhone. At
> the margins there is apparently a version of Quick Office on the iPad 
> which
> is accessible on that platform whilst it remains inaccessible on the 
> iPhone.
> However Pages will meet most word processing  needs and I do not routinely
> use Spreadsheets on a mobile device.
>
> So in essence the case for a blind user investing in an iPad in addition 
> to
> a phone seem very tenuous to me.
>
> David Griffith
>
> David Griffith
>
>
> .
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of meadowlark77
> Sent: 14 November 2013 23:40
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
>
> Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe
> iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I use
> my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail,
> write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so
> on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use 
> your
>
> phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences between
> the iPad and the iPhone 5?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brenda
>
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Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[Mary Otten]

Hi Brenda,
So, you don't have an Apple Store or a Mac store near you? How about a Best 
Buy? Staples? Even Walmart? Lots of stores are carrying iPads these days. And 
all you have to do is get someone to turn voice over on for you when you're in 
the store.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 14, 2013, at 8:15 PM, "meadowlark77"  wrote:

> Oo! This is very interesting. I wonder what I'd actually think. Too bad I 
> can't go get the feel of one with the screen reader running and so on.
> 
> Take care,
> 
> Brenda
> 
> mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Paula Hobley" 
> To: "'OS X & iOS Accessibility'" 
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 7:45 PM
> Subject: RE: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
> 
> 
> Hi there
> 
> I am totally blind and I have both.  I use both for different things.  I
> love using my IPad for reading, as the pages don't turn as often as they do
> on the phone, and the battery lasts a lot longer. I also use it for word
> processing when I'm out and about.  I like the Bluetooth keyboard case for
> the IPad as everything just folds in on itself.  I am not so fond of how the
> menus look in settings, I find it more difficult to conceptualise. I think
> it all comes down to personal preference.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Paula
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of David Griffith
> Sent: Friday, 15 November 2013 11:16 AM
> To: 'OS X & iOS Accessibility'
> Subject: RE: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
> 
> As far as I can see there are no compelling reasons for a blind user to
> require an iPad in addition to an iPhone, apart from possible better battery
> life.
> The physical size of the iPad makes the onscreen keyboard larger but a cheap
> external Bluetooth keyboard   on an iPhone will give a better keyboard
> experience anyway.
> 
> If however, you have some useful vision then the situation is completely
> different and there are of course lots of advantages in having a bigger
> display area to look at. As I am not in that category nobody has ever been
> able to explain to me what advantage an iPad would have over an iPhone. At
> the margins there is apparently a version of Quick Office on the iPad which
> is accessible on that platform whilst it remains inaccessible on the iPhone.
> However Pages will meet most word processing  needs and I do not routinely
> use Spreadsheets on a mobile device.
> 
> So in essence the case for a blind user investing in an iPad in addition to
> a phone seem very tenuous to me.
> 
> David Griffith
> 
> David Griffith
> 
> 
> .
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of meadowlark77
> Sent: 14 November 2013 23:40
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
> 
> Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe
> iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I use
> my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail,
> write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so
> on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use your
> 
> phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences between
> the iPad and the iPhone 5?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brenda
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Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[meadowlark77]

Oo! This is very interesting. I wonder what I'd actually think. Too bad I 
can't go get the feel of one with the screen reader running and so on.

Take care,

Brenda

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- Original Message - 
From: "Paula Hobley" 
To: "'OS X & iOS Accessibility'" 
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 7:45 PM
Subject: RE: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?


Hi there

I am totally blind and I have both.  I use both for different things.  I
love using my IPad for reading, as the pages don't turn as often as they do
on the phone, and the battery lasts a lot longer. I also use it for word
processing when I'm out and about.  I like the Bluetooth keyboard case for
the IPad as everything just folds in on itself.  I am not so fond of how the
menus look in settings, I find it more difficult to conceptualise. I think
it all comes down to personal preference.

Cheers

Paula


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Friday, 15 November 2013 11:16 AM
To: 'OS X & iOS Accessibility'
Subject: RE: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

As far as I can see there are no compelling reasons for a blind user to
require an iPad in addition to an iPhone, apart from possible better battery
life.
The physical size of the iPad makes the onscreen keyboard larger but a cheap
external Bluetooth keyboard   on an iPhone will give a better keyboard
experience anyway.

If however, you have some useful vision then the situation is completely
different and there are of course lots of advantages in having a bigger
display area to look at. As I am not in that category nobody has ever been
able to explain to me what advantage an iPad would have over an iPhone. At
the margins there is apparently a version of Quick Office on the iPad which
is accessible on that platform whilst it remains inaccessible on the iPhone.
However Pages will meet most word processing  needs and I do not routinely
use Spreadsheets on a mobile device.

So in essence the case for a blind user investing in an iPad in addition to
a phone seem very tenuous to me.

David Griffith

David Griffith


.

-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of meadowlark77
Sent: 14 November 2013 23:40
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe
iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I use
my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail,
write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so
on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use your

phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences between
the iPad and the iPhone 5?

Thanks,

Brenda

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Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[meadowlark77]

Yeah, the batttery does run out quickly on the iPhone. I love my iPhone.

Thanks for your explanation, though.

Take care,

Brenda

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- Original Message - 
From: "Mary Otten" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?


I also have no vision, but I'm glad I have an iPad, and am planning to get a 
mini. I use my i-devices for so much, that I would not want to depend on 
just the one phone. There's  audible, Kindle iBooks. And those are just the 
reading things. There is Twitter, email, and some wordprocessing. In fact, I 
would be interested in knowing more about the accessible version of quick 
office for iPad. This is the first I've heard of that.
In some cases, apps will look and perform differently on the two devices. 
For instance, with websites, on the iPad, you get the regular website. On 
the phone, you get the mobile site. Some apps are laid out differently. For 
example, there is the settings app. On the iPad, you have everything down 
the left for categories, and on the right as a category gets focused, you 
have all the choices. So you don't have to move back and forward between so 
many screens. Occasionally, an app will be more accessible on one platform 
or the other. For example, the site app had been perfectly accessible on the 
iPad, while on the phone it was not. Sadly this is no longer the case.
If you like things like Netflix, the sound on the iPad being stereo, is 
better than it is on the phone. I myself find that app difficult to use, so 
I don't go there. But others do. But the biggest reason is simply that I 
don't think I could do a day on an iPhone if I had to just use that device. 
The battery would run out too soon.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 14, 2013, at 4:16 PM, "David Griffith"  
wrote:

> As far as I can see there are no compelling reasons for a blind user to
> require an iPad in addition to an iPhone, apart from possible better 
> battery
> life.
> The physical size of the iPad makes the onscreen keyboard larger but a 
> cheap
> external Bluetooth keyboard   on an iPhone will give a better keyboard
> experience anyway.
>
> If however, you have some useful vision then the situation is completely
> different and there are of course lots of advantages in having a bigger
> display area to look at. As I am not in that category nobody has ever been
> able to explain to me what advantage an iPad would have over an iPhone. At
> the margins there is apparently a version of Quick Office on the iPad 
> which
> is accessible on that platform whilst it remains inaccessible on the 
> iPhone.
> However Pages will meet most word processing  needs and I do not routinely
> use Spreadsheets on a mobile device.
>
> So in essence the case for a blind user investing in an iPad in addition 
> to
> a phone seem very tenuous to me.
>
> David Griffith
>
> David Griffith
>
>
> .
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of meadowlark77
> Sent: 14 November 2013 23:40
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
>
> Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe
> iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I use
> my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail,
> write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so
> on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use 
> your
>
> phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences between
> the iPad and the iPhone 5?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brenda
>
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Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[Matthew Carello]

I also like having an IPHone and iPad mini.  It gives one device a rest at 
times lol. Also certain things work better on one over the other. It just gives 
a nice change of pace at times.
On Nov 14, 2013, at 7:24 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

> I also have no vision, but I'm glad I have an iPad, and am planning to get a 
> mini. I use my i-devices for so much, that I would not want to depend on just 
> the one phone. There's  audible, Kindle iBooks. And those are just the 
> reading things. There is Twitter, email, and some wordprocessing. In fact, I 
> would be interested in knowing more about the accessible version of quick 
> office for iPad. This is the first I've heard of that.
> In some cases, apps will look and perform differently on the two devices. For 
> instance, with websites, on the iPad, you get the regular website. On the 
> phone, you get the mobile site. Some apps are laid out differently. For 
> example, there is the settings app. On the iPad, you have everything down the 
> left for categories, and on the right as a category gets focused, you have 
> all the choices. So you don't have to move back and forward between so many 
> screens. Occasionally, an app will be more accessible on one platform or the 
> other. For example, the site app had been perfectly accessible on the iPad, 
> while on the phone it was not. Sadly this is no longer the case.
> If you like things like Netflix, the sound on the iPad being stereo, is 
> better than it is on the phone. I myself find that app difficult to use, so I 
> don't go there. But others do. But the biggest reason is simply that I don't 
> think I could do a day on an iPhone if I had to just use that device. The 
> battery would run out too soon.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 14, 2013, at 4:16 PM, "David Griffith"  
> wrote:
> 
>> As far as I can see there are no compelling reasons for a blind user to
>> require an iPad in addition to an iPhone, apart from possible better battery
>> life.
>> The physical size of the iPad makes the onscreen keyboard larger but a cheap
>> external Bluetooth keyboard   on an iPhone will give a better keyboard
>> experience anyway.
>> 
>> If however, you have some useful vision then the situation is completely
>> different and there are of course lots of advantages in having a bigger
>> display area to look at. As I am not in that category nobody has ever been
>> able to explain to me what advantage an iPad would have over an iPhone. At
>> the margins there is apparently a version of Quick Office on the iPad which
>> is accessible on that platform whilst it remains inaccessible on the iPhone.
>> However Pages will meet most word processing  needs and I do not routinely
>> use Spreadsheets on a mobile device.
>> 
>> So in essence the case for a blind user investing in an iPad in addition to
>> a phone seem very tenuous to me.
>> 
>> David Griffith
>> 
>> David Griffith
>> 
>> 
>> .
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of meadowlark77
>> Sent: 14 November 2013 23:40
>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
>> 
>> Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe 
>> iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I use 
>> my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail, 
>> write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so 
>> on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use your
>> 
>> phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences between 
>> the iPad and the iPhone 5?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Brenda
>> 
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RE: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[Paula Hobley]

Hi there

I am totally blind and I have both.  I use both for different things.  I
love using my IPad for reading, as the pages don't turn as often as they do
on the phone, and the battery lasts a lot longer. I also use it for word
processing when I'm out and about.  I like the Bluetooth keyboard case for
the IPad as everything just folds in on itself.  I am not so fond of how the
menus look in settings, I find it more difficult to conceptualise. I think
it all comes down to personal preference.

Cheers

Paula


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Friday, 15 November 2013 11:16 AM
To: 'OS X & iOS Accessibility'
Subject: RE: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

As far as I can see there are no compelling reasons for a blind user to
require an iPad in addition to an iPhone, apart from possible better battery
life.
The physical size of the iPad makes the onscreen keyboard larger but a cheap
external Bluetooth keyboard   on an iPhone will give a better keyboard
experience anyway.

If however, you have some useful vision then the situation is completely
different and there are of course lots of advantages in having a bigger
display area to look at. As I am not in that category nobody has ever been
able to explain to me what advantage an iPad would have over an iPhone. At
the margins there is apparently a version of Quick Office on the iPad which
is accessible on that platform whilst it remains inaccessible on the iPhone.
However Pages will meet most word processing  needs and I do not routinely
use Spreadsheets on a mobile device.

So in essence the case for a blind user investing in an iPad in addition to
a phone seem very tenuous to me.

David Griffith

David Griffith


.

-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of meadowlark77
Sent: 14 November 2013 23:40
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe
iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I use
my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail,
write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so
on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use your

phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences between
the iPad and the iPhone 5?

Thanks,

Brenda

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Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[Mary Otten]

I also have no vision, but I'm glad I have an iPad, and am planning to get a 
mini. I use my i-devices for so much, that I would not want to depend on just 
the one phone. There's  audible, Kindle iBooks. And those are just the reading 
things. There is Twitter, email, and some wordprocessing. In fact, I would be 
interested in knowing more about the accessible version of quick office for 
iPad. This is the first I've heard of that.
In some cases, apps will look and perform differently on the two devices. For 
instance, with websites, on the iPad, you get the regular website. On the 
phone, you get the mobile site. Some apps are laid out differently. For 
example, there is the settings app. On the iPad, you have everything down the 
left for categories, and on the right as a category gets focused, you have all 
the choices. So you don't have to move back and forward between so many 
screens. Occasionally, an app will be more accessible on one platform or the 
other. For example, the site app had been perfectly accessible on the iPad, 
while on the phone it was not. Sadly this is no longer the case.
If you like things like Netflix, the sound on the iPad being stereo, is better 
than it is on the phone. I myself find that app difficult to use, so I don't go 
there. But others do. But the biggest reason is simply that I don't think I 
could do a day on an iPhone if I had to just use that device. The battery would 
run out too soon.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 14, 2013, at 4:16 PM, "David Griffith"  wrote:

> As far as I can see there are no compelling reasons for a blind user to
> require an iPad in addition to an iPhone, apart from possible better battery
> life.
> The physical size of the iPad makes the onscreen keyboard larger but a cheap
> external Bluetooth keyboard   on an iPhone will give a better keyboard
> experience anyway.
> 
> If however, you have some useful vision then the situation is completely
> different and there are of course lots of advantages in having a bigger
> display area to look at. As I am not in that category nobody has ever been
> able to explain to me what advantage an iPad would have over an iPhone. At
> the margins there is apparently a version of Quick Office on the iPad which
> is accessible on that platform whilst it remains inaccessible on the iPhone.
> However Pages will meet most word processing  needs and I do not routinely
> use Spreadsheets on a mobile device.
> 
> So in essence the case for a blind user investing in an iPad in addition to
> a phone seem very tenuous to me.
> 
> David Griffith
> 
> David Griffith
> 
> 
> .
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of meadowlark77
> Sent: 14 November 2013 23:40
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
> 
> Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe 
> iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I use 
> my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail, 
> write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so 
> on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use your
> 
> phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences between 
> the iPad and the iPhone 5?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brenda
> 
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Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[meadowlark77]

Actually, it does. You can get it to be cellular or wifi. But the rate I'm 
getting here, I'm happy just to have my iPhone and not having to buy another 
something.

Take care,

Brenda

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- Original Message - 
From: "isaac" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?


In my oppinion I don't see a difference between the iPhone and iPad because
the iPhone and iPad have almost the same features The only difference about
the iPad is that it is bigger and  it has a larger screen  it doesn't have
the phone option

-Original Message- 
From: meadowlark77
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:40 PM
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe
iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I use
my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail,
write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so
on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use your
phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences between
the iPad and the iPhone 5?

Thanks,

Brenda

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Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[meadowlark77]

Thank you, David. I, like you, have no vision. Think it'd be better for me 
to just go and buy pages, instead, for a word processor. That's the only 
thing I probably do not have, that I'd like.
Take care,

Brenda

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- Original Message - 
From: "David Griffith" 
To: "'OS X & iOS Accessibility'" 
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:16 PM
Subject: RE: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?


As far as I can see there are no compelling reasons for a blind user to
require an iPad in addition to an iPhone, apart from possible better battery
life.
The physical size of the iPad makes the onscreen keyboard larger but a cheap
external Bluetooth keyboard   on an iPhone will give a better keyboard
experience anyway.

If however, you have some useful vision then the situation is completely
different and there are of course lots of advantages in having a bigger
display area to look at. As I am not in that category nobody has ever been
able to explain to me what advantage an iPad would have over an iPhone. At
the margins there is apparently a version of Quick Office on the iPad which
is accessible on that platform whilst it remains inaccessible on the iPhone.
However Pages will meet most word processing  needs and I do not routinely
use Spreadsheets on a mobile device.

So in essence the case for a blind user investing in an iPad in addition to
a phone seem very tenuous to me.

David Griffith

David Griffith


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-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of meadowlark77
Sent: 14 November 2013 23:40
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe
iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I use
my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail,
write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so
on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use your

phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences between
the iPad and the iPhone 5?

Thanks,

Brenda

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Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[isaac]

In my oppinion I don't see a difference between the iPhone and iPad because 
the iPhone and iPad have almost the same features The only difference about 
the iPad is that it is bigger and  it has a larger screen  it doesn't have 
the phone option


-Original Message- 
From: meadowlark77

Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:40 PM
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe
iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I use
my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail,
write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so
on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use your
phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences between
the iPad and the iPhone 5?

Thanks,

Brenda

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RE: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[David Griffith]

As far as I can see there are no compelling reasons for a blind user to
require an iPad in addition to an iPhone, apart from possible better battery
life.
The physical size of the iPad makes the onscreen keyboard larger but a cheap
external Bluetooth keyboard   on an iPhone will give a better keyboard
experience anyway.

If however, you have some useful vision then the situation is completely
different and there are of course lots of advantages in having a bigger
display area to look at. As I am not in that category nobody has ever been
able to explain to me what advantage an iPad would have over an iPhone. At
the margins there is apparently a version of Quick Office on the iPad which
is accessible on that platform whilst it remains inaccessible on the iPhone.
However Pages will meet most word processing  needs and I do not routinely
use Spreadsheets on a mobile device.

So in essence the case for a blind user investing in an iPad in addition to
a phone seem very tenuous to me.

David Griffith

David Griffith


.

-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of meadowlark77
Sent: 14 November 2013 23:40
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe 
iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I use 
my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail, 
write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so 
on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use your

phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences between 
the iPad and the iPhone 5?

Thanks,

Brenda

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