Re: the i-phone 4 s and phone calls

[Sarah Alawami]

OH it still happens to me  in and out of my otter box case. and I have an 
iphone 4. I hope otterbox will design there case to the proxi sensor will not 
interfeer with that.

Take care all.
On Jan 2, 2012, at 10:24 AM, Glenn wrote:

> That happens to me a lot.
> I just got a new case for Xmas, the "Keyboard Buddy", and perhaps it will do 
> better.
> One thing I have noticed with the new case is that my double-tapping is more 
> responsive than with my old case.
> My old case was the hard case that would act as a stand for either watching 
> the screen or doing a video call, because of the fold-out picture-frame 
> stand in the back.
> Glenn
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Bryan Jones" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 12:11 PM
> Subject: Re: the i-phone 4 s and phone calls
> 
> 
> Hi Michael,
> 
> I'm wondering if your speaker / earpiece switching bug is the same as the 
> proximity sensor bug many of us experienced when the iPhone 4 was first 
> released. The proximity sensor, which is located next to the earpiece on the 
> iPhone 4, is a sensor that recognizes when some object, usually a person's 
> face, gets close to the earpiece. For VO Users, the proximity sensor is what 
> normally tells the iPhone to switch it's phone audio between the earpiece 
> and the speaker. For both VO and non-BO users, the proximity sensor prevents 
> the User's cheek from "pressing" any buttons on the touch screen whilst the 
> phone is being held against the face. The issue of unwanted earpiece / 
> speaker switching as well as unwanted button presses by the User's cheek 
> were widely reported by both VO and non-VO Users when the iPhone 4 was first 
> introduced. Apple released several IOS 4.x updates meant to address the 
> issue and I was under the impression that the issue was fixed for most folks 
> after one or anoth
> er of those updates. I almost returned my iPhone 4 back when the issue was 
> making my calls almost unbearable as you mentioned, but one of the IOS 
> updates took care of the problem and it hasn't affected my phone since then 
> except for the following scenario. One of the other common causes of the 
> issue is the use of an improperly fitted case. Any case that protrudes too 
> far below the top edge of the iPhone4 can cause this issue. The first case I 
> purchased for my phone was a leather wallet case and the strip of leather 
> across the top of the screen would constantly cause the phone to switch 
> between speaker and earpiece because of the interference with the proximity 
> sensor. I was able to replicate the issue at will when the phone was in that 
> case. The other 2 cases I've used on my iPhone 4 -- The Speck Pixelskin and 
> the Mophie Juice Pack Plus -- both work fine as their top edges do not 
> interfere with the proximity sensor. One other thing I seem to recall was 
> that a number of folks
>  were able to take their iPhone 4 back to the Apple Store or wherever their 
> point-of-purchase was and get it replaced.
> 
> HTH,
> Bryan
> 
>>> On 02/01/2012, at 5:08 PM, michael weaver wrote:
>>> 
>>>> i am thinking of purchasing the i-phone 4 s sometime this year.
>>>> i think if i don't want to be penalised for upgrading, the earliest i 
>>>> can
>>>> upgrade is august this year i think.
>>>> is the 4 s better at dealing with calls while running voiceover?
>>>> i don't know if this only happens with voiceover users or if it at all
>>>> affects non voiceover users as well but the 4 is known for switching
>>>> between earpiece and hands free speaker.
>>>> apart from of course wearing a headset the only way of avoiding the
>>>> problem on the 4 is to temporarily switch off voiceover by pressing the
>>>> home button twice and then having to remember to do the same at the end 
>>>> of
>>>> a call which is a bit of a nusance.
>>>> has this problem been addressed on the 4 s?
>>>> i tried to just disable wifi before calls only that didn't appear to 
>>>> work
>>>> as a solution to the problem of me either speaking to someone or someone
>>>> talking to me and parts of the call breaking up because of this 
>>>> switching
>>>> between the earpiece and speaker when the phone isn't near your ear.
>>>> as far as i am aware this doesn't happen to a non voiceover user from my
>>>> experience of temporarily turning it off and someone who borrowed my 
>>>> phone
>>>> to speak to their mother abo

Re: the i-phone 4 s and phone calls

[Glenn]

That happens to me a lot.
I just got a new case for Xmas, the "Keyboard Buddy", and perhaps it will do 
better.
One thing I have noticed with the new case is that my double-tapping is more 
responsive than with my old case.
My old case was the hard case that would act as a stand for either watching 
the screen or doing a video call, because of the fold-out picture-frame 
stand in the back.
Glenn
- Original Message - 
From: "Bryan Jones" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: the i-phone 4 s and phone calls


Hi Michael,

I'm wondering if your speaker / earpiece switching bug is the same as the 
proximity sensor bug many of us experienced when the iPhone 4 was first 
released. The proximity sensor, which is located next to the earpiece on the 
iPhone 4, is a sensor that recognizes when some object, usually a person's 
face, gets close to the earpiece. For VO Users, the proximity sensor is what 
normally tells the iPhone to switch it's phone audio between the earpiece 
and the speaker. For both VO and non-BO users, the proximity sensor prevents 
the User's cheek from "pressing" any buttons on the touch screen whilst the 
phone is being held against the face. The issue of unwanted earpiece / 
speaker switching as well as unwanted button presses by the User's cheek 
were widely reported by both VO and non-VO Users when the iPhone 4 was first 
introduced. Apple released several IOS 4.x updates meant to address the 
issue and I was under the impression that the issue was fixed for most folks 
after one or anoth
 er of those updates. I almost returned my iPhone 4 back when the issue was 
making my calls almost unbearable as you mentioned, but one of the IOS 
updates took care of the problem and it hasn't affected my phone since then 
except for the following scenario. One of the other common causes of the 
issue is the use of an improperly fitted case. Any case that protrudes too 
far below the top edge of the iPhone4 can cause this issue. The first case I 
purchased for my phone was a leather wallet case and the strip of leather 
across the top of the screen would constantly cause the phone to switch 
between speaker and earpiece because of the interference with the proximity 
sensor. I was able to replicate the issue at will when the phone was in that 
case. The other 2 cases I've used on my iPhone 4 -- The Speck Pixelskin and 
the Mophie Juice Pack Plus -- both work fine as their top edges do not 
interfere with the proximity sensor. One other thing I seem to recall was 
that a number of folks
  were able to take their iPhone 4 back to the Apple Store or wherever their 
point-of-purchase was and get it replaced.

HTH,
Bryan

>> On 02/01/2012, at 5:08 PM, michael weaver wrote:
>>
>>> i am thinking of purchasing the i-phone 4 s sometime this year.
>>> i think if i don't want to be penalised for upgrading, the earliest i 
>>> can
>>> upgrade is august this year i think.
>>> is the 4 s better at dealing with calls while running voiceover?
>>> i don't know if this only happens with voiceover users or if it at all
>>> affects non voiceover users as well but the 4 is known for switching
>>> between earpiece and hands free speaker.
>>> apart from of course wearing a headset the only way of avoiding the
>>> problem on the 4 is to temporarily switch off voiceover by pressing the
>>> home button twice and then having to remember to do the same at the end 
>>> of
>>> a call which is a bit of a nusance.
>>> has this problem been addressed on the 4 s?
>>> i tried to just disable wifi before calls only that didn't appear to 
>>> work
>>> as a solution to the problem of me either speaking to someone or someone
>>> talking to me and parts of the call breaking up because of this 
>>> switching
>>> between the earpiece and speaker when the phone isn't near your ear.
>>> as far as i am aware this doesn't happen to a non voiceover user from my
>>> experience of temporarily turning it off and someone who borrowed my 
>>> phone
>>> to speak to their mother about an important avon order for work that 
>>> they
>>> were in a hurry to put through because they didn't have access to the

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Re: the i-phone 4 s and phone calls

[Bryan Jones]

Hi Michael,

I'm wondering if your speaker / earpiece switching bug is the same as the 
proximity sensor bug many of us experienced when the iPhone 4 was first 
released. The proximity sensor, which is located next to the earpiece on the 
iPhone 4, is a sensor that recognizes when some object, usually a person's 
face, gets close to the earpiece. For VO Users, the proximity sensor is what 
normally tells the iPhone to switch it's phone audio between the earpiece and 
the speaker. For both VO and non-BO users, the proximity sensor prevents the 
User's cheek from "pressing" any buttons on the touch screen whilst the phone 
is being held against the face. The issue of unwanted earpiece / speaker 
switching as well as unwanted button presses by the User's cheek were widely 
reported by both VO and non-VO Users when the iPhone 4 was first introduced. 
Apple released several IOS 4.x updates meant to address the issue and I was 
under the impression that the issue was fixed for most folks after one or anoth
 er of those updates. I almost returned my iPhone 4 back when the issue was 
making my calls almost unbearable as you mentioned, but one of the IOS updates 
took care of the problem and it hasn't affected my phone since then except for 
the following scenario. One of the other common causes of the issue is the use 
of an improperly fitted case. Any case that protrudes too far below the top 
edge of the iPhone4 can cause this issue. The first case I purchased for my 
phone was a leather wallet case and the strip of leather across the top of the 
screen would constantly cause the phone to switch between speaker and earpiece 
because of the interference with the proximity sensor. I was able to replicate 
the issue at will when the phone was in that case. The other 2 cases I've used 
on my iPhone 4 -- The Speck Pixelskin and the Mophie Juice Pack Plus -- both 
work fine as their top edges do not interfere with the proximity sensor. One 
other thing I seem to recall was that a number of folks
  were able to take their iPhone 4 back to the Apple Store or wherever their 
point-of-purchase was and get it replaced.

HTH,
Bryan

>> On 02/01/2012, at 5:08 PM, michael weaver wrote:
>> 
>>> i am thinking of purchasing the i-phone 4 s sometime this year.
>>> i think if i don't want to be penalised for upgrading, the earliest i can
>>> upgrade is august this year i think.
>>> is the 4 s better at dealing with calls while running voiceover?
>>> i don't know if this only happens with voiceover users or if it at all
>>> affects non voiceover users as well but the 4 is known for switching
>>> between earpiece and hands free speaker.
>>> apart from of course wearing a headset the only way of avoiding the
>>> problem on the 4 is to temporarily switch off voiceover by pressing the
>>> home button twice and then having to remember to do the same at the end of
>>> a call which is a bit of a nusance.
>>> has this problem been addressed on the 4 s?
>>> i tried to just disable wifi before calls only that didn't appear to work
>>> as a solution to the problem of me either speaking to someone or someone
>>> talking to me and parts of the call breaking up because of this switching
>>> between the earpiece and speaker when the phone isn't near your ear.
>>> as far as i am aware this doesn't happen to a non voiceover user from my
>>> experience of temporarily turning it off and someone who borrowed my phone
>>> to speak to their mother about an important avon order for work that they
>>> were in a hurry to put through because they didn't have access to the

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Re: the i-phone 4 s and phone calls

[Jonathan Tyrer]

On 02/01/2012, Jonathan Tyrer  wrote:
> This is a strange one, I was totally in the same boat as you with my
> iPone 4 - it was unuseable without the workarounds you mentioned.
>
> I still had people saying it wasn't happening to them and that it was just
> me!
>
> Now  have a 4S and I can say it is a lot lot better.  I can't say it
> never happens, it happened about an hour ago, but it seems that if you
> get it to your ear smoothly, it starts off on the earpiece and stays
> there, if it's funny at the start your best ending the call and
> calling them back.
>
> I'd say it's 99% better than before.
>
> Of course, if you are waiting untill August, we'll be only weeks away
> from the iPhone 5 and you might as well wait for that one!
>
> Happy new year.
>
> Jonathan
>
> On 02/01/2012, Christopher Sims  wrote:
>> I don't have the issue that you speak of with my Iphone 4S.
>> On 02/01/2012, at 5:08 PM, michael weaver wrote:
>>
>>> i am thinking of purchasing the i-phone 4 s sometime this year.
>>> i think if i don't want to be penalised for upgrading, the earliest i
>>> can
>>> upgrade is august this year i think.
>>> is the 4 s better at dealing with calls while running voiceover?
>>> i don't know if this only happens with voiceover users or if it at all
>>> affects non voiceover users as well but the 4 is known for switching
>>> between earpiece and hands free speaker.
>>> apart from of course wearing a headset the only way of avoiding the
>>> problem on the 4 is to temporarily switch off voiceover by pressing the
>>> home button twice and then having to remember to do the same at the end
>>> of
>>> a call which is a bit of a nusance.
>>> has this problem been addressed on the 4 s?
>>> i tried to just disable wifi before calls only that didn't appear to
>>> work
>>> as a solution to the problem of me either speaking to someone or someone
>>> talking to me and parts of the call breaking up because of this
>>> switching
>>> between the earpiece and speaker when the phone isn't near your ear.
>>> as far as i am aware this doesn't happen to a non voiceover user from my
>>> experience of temporarily turning it off and someone who borrowed my
>>> phone
>>> to speak to their mother about an important avon order for work that
>>> they
>>> were in a hurry to put through because they didn't have access to the
>>> internet at the time.
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Re: the i-phone 4 s and phone calls

[Jonathan Tyrer]

This is a strange one, I was totally in the same boat as you with my
iPone 4 - it was unuseable without the workarounds you mentioned.

I still had people saying it wasn't happening to them and that it was just me!

Now  have a 4S and I can say it is a lot lot better.  I can't say it
never happens, it happened about an hour ago, but it seems that if you
get it to your ear smoothly, it starts off on the earpiece and stays
there, if it's funny at the start your best ending the call and
calling them back.

I'd say it's 99% better than before.

Of course, if you are waiting untill August, we'll be only weeks away
from the iPhone 5 and you might as well wait for that one!

Happy new year.

Jonathan

On 02/01/2012, Christopher Sims  wrote:
> I don't have the issue that you speak of with my Iphone 4S.
> On 02/01/2012, at 5:08 PM, michael weaver wrote:
>
>> i am thinking of purchasing the i-phone 4 s sometime this year.
>> i think if i don't want to be penalised for upgrading, the earliest i can
>> upgrade is august this year i think.
>> is the 4 s better at dealing with calls while running voiceover?
>> i don't know if this only happens with voiceover users or if it at all
>> affects non voiceover users as well but the 4 is known for switching
>> between earpiece and hands free speaker.
>> apart from of course wearing a headset the only way of avoiding the
>> problem on the 4 is to temporarily switch off voiceover by pressing the
>> home button twice and then having to remember to do the same at the end of
>> a call which is a bit of a nusance.
>> has this problem been addressed on the 4 s?
>> i tried to just disable wifi before calls only that didn't appear to work
>> as a solution to the problem of me either speaking to someone or someone
>> talking to me and parts of the call breaking up because of this switching
>> between the earpiece and speaker when the phone isn't near your ear.
>> as far as i am aware this doesn't happen to a non voiceover user from my
>> experience of temporarily turning it off and someone who borrowed my phone
>> to speak to their mother about an important avon order for work that they
>> were in a hurry to put through because they didn't have access to the
>> internet at the time.
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Re: the i-phone 4 s and phone calls

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I don't have the issue that you speak of with my Iphone 4S.  
On 02/01/2012, at 5:08 PM, michael weaver wrote:

> i am thinking of purchasing the i-phone 4 s sometime this year.
> i think if i don't want to be penalised for upgrading, the earliest i can 
> upgrade is august this year i think.
> is the 4 s better at dealing with calls while running voiceover?
> i don't know if this only happens with voiceover users or if it at all 
> affects non voiceover users as well but the 4 is known for switching between 
> earpiece and hands free speaker.
> apart from of course wearing a headset the only way of avoiding the problem 
> on the 4 is to temporarily switch off voiceover by pressing the home button 
> twice and then having to remember to do the same at the end of a call which 
> is a bit of a nusance.
> has this problem been addressed on the 4 s?
> i tried to just disable wifi before calls only that didn't appear to work as 
> a solution to the problem of me either speaking to someone or someone talking 
> to me and parts of the call breaking up because of this switching between the 
> earpiece and speaker when the phone isn't near your ear.
> as far as i am aware this doesn't happen to a non voiceover user from my 
> experience of temporarily turning it off and someone who borrowed my phone to 
> speak to their mother about an important avon order for work that they were 
> in a hurry to put through because they didn't have access to the internet at 
> the time.
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Re: the I-phone 4 s

[Lewis Alexander]

Hey bubba, that sounds like a decent plan to me. I still have the 3GS and to be 
honest, for what I use it for, it does a great job. I don't use it for the 
internet etc as I'm not a fan of using internet on small touch screen 
interfaces with big fingers like mine. 

other than that, the 4S sounds like a worthwhile investment justifying the 
price though seems a bit of a thing. £500 pay and go and we're waiting for o2 
to release as pay and go. I don't like contracts as it's just something that 
I've had a very bad experience with some years back.

As always, it's an amazing product and I love the feel of it. 

I do have to admit one thing though.

I wish the iphone was a bit larger and thicker.

Excuse the rant but here goes. woof woof woof!

These days, it's all about making a product really thin and light, but to 
someone like me, I prefer something more rugged and thicker, weight's not an 
issue but a larger device would suit better (not iPad size but say another 1" 
either dimension would give some extra surface to work on and just a bit more 
room. just a thought.

I love the 3GS to bits but as I say, I don't use internet on it. I prefer my 
laptop to that anyday.

just wish apple would give us the freedom of tethering  for the iphone to mac. 
then guys like me in the IT sector can still have a modem for on road use or 
emergency work, etc.

nice review bubba and keep it up lol

lew (off to bangor for a bit to pick up a laptop of great interest. woopee!)


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> Hi, well there is not a iphone4g but I assume you mean iphone4 and yes the
> iphone4s has a much better  camera. It has a 8 mega pix camera and the
> iphone4 has a 5 mega pix one. Also the iphone4s has a much bigger lens and
> other hardware with in the camera that makes it a much better camera also
> don't forget the processer is much better and that is a bigger issue then
> the camera. It has the same amount of ram but I think faster ram and you can
> also if you wish to do so get more storage up to 64 gb and this is a much
> bigger issue for some than the camera! Also you have the new voice command
> and to most this is the biggest reason to upgrade ! So for the upgrade issue
> there are plenty of reason to upgrade if your contract is up and especially
> if you still have the iphone3gs! HTH and JST !
> 
> 
> Bubba
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RE: the I-phone 4 s

[Bubba]

Hi, well there is not a iphone4g but I assume you mean iphone4 and yes the
iphone4s has a much better  camera. It has a 8 mega pix camera and the
iphone4 has a 5 mega pix one. Also the iphone4s has a much bigger lens and
other hardware with in the camera that makes it a much better camera also
don't forget the processer is much better and that is a bigger issue then
the camera. It has the same amount of ram but I think faster ram and you can
also if you wish to do so get more storage up to 64 gb and this is a much
bigger issue for some than the camera! Also you have the new voice command
and to most this is the biggest reason to upgrade ! So for the upgrade issue
there are plenty of reason to upgrade if your contract is up and especially
if you still have the iphone3gs! HTH and JST !


Bubba
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-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of G.E.
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 9:54 PM
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: the i-phone 4 s

Also, I want to make sure, does the iPhone 4S only have a 5 mega pixel
camera, like my 4G?
If so, I will not upgrade until the iPhone 5 comes out next spring.
Glenn
- Original Message -
From: "Terry Clasper" 
To: "'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility'" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 7:55 AM
Subject: RE: the i-phone 4 s


HI Michael yes indeed it does!

-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
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Sent: 06 December 2011 14:01
To: mac-access@mac-access.net
Subject: the i-phone 4 s

does the i-phone 4 s have the same hardware design as the i-phone 4, meaning
the power button at the top right hand corner, the volume and mute buttons
on the left edge when the earpiece is facing up at the top?
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Re: the i-phone 4 s

[Geoff Waaler]

Hi Glenn,

The diameter of the 4S lends was increased along with a nearly tripling in 
resolution (8MP vs 5MP).  To help explain why 8 is nearly three times greater 
than 5, remember your exponents and consider a square inch with five dots per 
inch.  You would need 25 dots (5*5) to fill that space.  Now, if you wanna 
increase the resolution to 8 DPI you'd need to come up with 64 pixels instead.

Because of this change in specs, a case designed for use with an iPhone 4 will 
not work for a 4S unless you don't mind black edges around your pics.  
Conversely, a 4 will fit a 4S case since the only difference would be a larger 
aperture hole.

HTH.
Geoff



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  Subject: Re: the i-phone 4 s


  Also, I want to make sure, does the iPhone 4S only have a 5 mega pixel 
  camera, like my 4G?
  If so, I will not upgrade until the iPhone 5 comes out next spring.
  Glenn
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  Subject: RE: the i-phone 4 s


  HI Michael yes indeed it does!

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  does the i-phone 4 s have the same hardware design as the i-phone
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  volume and mute buttons on the left edge when the earpiece is
  facing up at the top?
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Re: the i-phone 4 s

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Also, I want to make sure, does the iPhone 4S only have a 5 mega pixel 
camera, like my 4G?
If so, I will not upgrade until the iPhone 5 comes out next spring.
Glenn
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Subject: RE: the i-phone 4 s


HI Michael yes indeed it does!

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RE: the I-phone 4 s

[Bubba]

Yes, they changed nothing but the size of the camera lens on the iphone4s
Everything else is the same as for as the shell is concerned.


Sign,
Bubba 
bubbatheg...@gmail.com


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RE: the i-phone 4 s

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HI Michael yes indeed it does!

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