subject:"What's the accessibility take on iOS7\?"

Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-20 Thread meadowlark77

Thanks for getting back again.
- Original Message - 
From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

hello Brenda

Actually Gordon says he remembers you from a few years back.

He does, indeed. You ask him if I wasn't always trying to ask him 
questions. Such a little pest, I think I was, then. I was always wanting to 
know something, but you know, he did teach me well. Yes, we’re always 
absolutely inundated with work both related to and not related to the 
project. We know that it’s appreciated by most if not all of our members and 
we are happy to do the job because we believe that we can provide a service 
to the community as a whole. We also get quite a lot out of it ourselves.

Neat you do. This is probably one of the best lists I'm on. I don't see 
people being rude to one another. I really like that.

Now, back to iOS7.02. The general consensus seems to be very positive on the 
whole. There are lots of things to come in the near future I think, and it’s 
quite an exciting time to be involved with this type of technology.

I actually love it. I tell everybody that, when I can't read a site very 
well on my Windows computer, i go to my iPhone and put the link in there and 
can read it all.

There are, however, still quite a few applications kicking around in the 
utilities section of the App Store which are not, but should be, fully 
accessible.  For instance, the BBC iPlayer doesn’t appear to be working 
right with VoiceOver from what I’ve read elsewhere. I haven’t tried it, but 
I’m sure others have.

I haven't either.

As for the native OS and internal applications, has anybody found any aspect 
of iOS7 itself which isn’t accessible?

Not that I know of, at least, what I use is accessible.

Take care and thanks again,

Brenda

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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-19 Thread Sarah k Alawami

No aspect of ios7 with the native apps poses a problem for me. it all works 
very flawlessly. It' just rocks!
On Oct 19, 2013, at 8:16 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith  
wrote:

> hello Brenda
> 
> Actually Gordon says he remembers you from a few years back. Yes, we’re 
> always absolutely inundated with work both related to and not related to the 
> project. We know that it’s appreciated by most if not all of our members and 
> we are happy to do the job because we believe that we can provide a service 
> to the community as a whole. We also get quite a lot out of it ourselves.
> 
> Now, back to iOS7.02. The general consensus seems to be very positive on the 
> whole. There are lots of things to come in the near future I think, and it’s 
> quite an exciting time to be involved with this type of technology. There 
> are, however, still quite a few applications kicking around in the utilities 
> section of the App Store which are not, but should be, fully accessible.  For 
> instance, the BBC iPlayer doesn’t appear to be working right with VoiceOver 
> from what I’ve read elsewhere. I haven’t tried it, but I’m sure others have.
> 
> As for the native OS and internal applications, has anybody found any aspect 
> of iOS7 itself which isn’t accessible?
> 
> Lynne
> 
> On 20 Oct 2013, at 03:44, meadowlark77  wrote:
> 
>> Sorry. I just know you guys have lots and lots of work with what you do, and 
>> believe me, it is appreciated. I always know when I come on here with 
>> question, I do get answers.
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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-19 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith

hello Brenda

Actually Gordon says he remembers you from a few years back. Yes, we’re always 
absolutely inundated with work both related to and not related to the project. 
We know that it’s appreciated by most if not all of our members and we are 
happy to do the job because we believe that we can provide a service to the 
community as a whole. We also get quite a lot out of it ourselves.

Now, back to iOS7.02. The general consensus seems to be very positive on the 
whole. There are lots of things to come in the near future I think, and it’s 
quite an exciting time to be involved with this type of technology. There are, 
however, still quite a few applications kicking around in the utilities section 
of the App Store which are not, but should be, fully accessible.  For instance, 
the BBC iPlayer doesn’t appear to be working right with VoiceOver from what 
I’ve read elsewhere. I haven’t tried it, but I’m sure others have.

As for the native OS and internal applications, has anybody found any aspect of 
iOS7 itself which isn’t accessible?

Lynne

On 20 Oct 2013, at 03:44, meadowlark77  wrote:

> Sorry. I just know you guys have lots and lots of work with what you do, and 
> believe me, it is appreciated. I always know when I come on here with 
> question, I do get answers.

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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-19 Thread meadowlark77

Sorry. I just know you guys have lots and lots of work with what you do, and 
believe me, it is appreciated. I always know when I come on here with 
question, I do get answers.

Thank you,

Brenda

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- Original Message - 
From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

Hello Brenda

Actually it was I, rather than Gordon, who responded; but no problem.

iOS7.02 certainly brings up some issues regarding accessibility. What Gordon 
does like about it though is the messaging applet. It’s now far easier to 
quickly edit, respond too and delete messages than it used to be in iOS6. It 
was always possible to do, but not as quick and easy as it is now.

I think Apple missed the boat in some respects. But then again, that leaves 
room for manoeuvre later in the lifetime of iOS, doesn’t it. :)

Regarding the networking and server issues yes, it’s a positive minefield. 
One which Apple seems determined to make more and more difficult to navigate 
unless you happen to be a point-n-click corporate user who is administrating 
an internal IntraNet. For the kind of services which we require to do what 
we do they are making things virtually impossible. So we’re looking to 
evaluate where we go once Mavericks Server is released. If they continue to 
put the shutters up, we may need to investigate alternatives. But never 
fear, Mac Access is here to stay.

Warm regards

Lynne

On 19 Oct 2013, at 17:26, meadowlark77  wrote:

> You're sure welcome, Gordon. Know it's a lot of work for you to have a 
> list
> of this size and run it and all the server problems or network problems, I
> can't even comprehend, totally, what you're dealing with.

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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-19 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith

Hello Brenda

Actually it was I, rather than Gordon, who responded; but no problem.

iOS7.02 certainly brings up some issues regarding accessibility. What Gordon 
does like about it though is the messaging applet. It’s now far easier to 
quickly edit, respond too and delete messages than it used to be in iOS6. It 
was always possible to do, but not as quick and easy as it is now.

I think Apple missed the boat in some respects. But then again, that leaves 
room for manoeuvre later in the lifetime of iOS, doesn’t it. :)

Regarding the networking and server issues yes, it’s a positive minefield. One 
which Apple seems determined to make more and more difficult to navigate unless 
you happen to be a point-n-click corporate user who is administrating an 
internal IntraNet. For the kind of services which we require to do what we do 
they are making things virtually impossible. So we’re looking to evaluate where 
we go once Mavericks Server is released. If they continue to put the shutters 
up, we may need to investigate alternatives. But never fear, Mac Access is here 
to stay.

Warm regards

Lynne

On 19 Oct 2013, at 17:26, meadowlark77  wrote:

> You're sure welcome, Gordon. Know it's a lot of work for you to have a list 
> of this size and run it and all the server problems or network problems, I 
> can't even comprehend, totally, what you're dealing with.

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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-19 Thread meadowlark77

You're sure welcome, Gordon. Know it's a lot of work for you to have a list 
of this size and run it and all the server problems or network problems, I 
can't even comprehend, totally, what you're dealing with.

Thanks for getting back.

Take care,

Brenda

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- Original Message - 
From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

Hello Brenda

My apologies for the belated response. Gordon and I are really having a hard 
time keeping pace with mail these days which is gratifying because this list 
has now become a quite high volume forum.

On 13 Oct 2013, at 15:04, meadowlark77  wrote:

> • Hit Home twice.
>
That’s certainly one way, yes. As usual though, Esther’s description was 
all-encompassing. it was highly helpful. As is your own tip, because I’d 
forgotten about that one.

Thank you.

Warm regards

Lynne

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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-19 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith

Hello Brenda

My apologies for the belated response. Gordon and I are really having a hard 
time keeping pace with mail these days which is gratifying because this list 
has now become a quite high volume forum.

On 13 Oct 2013, at 15:04, meadowlark77  wrote:

> • Hit Home twice.
> 
That’s certainly one way, yes. As usual though, Esther’s description was 
all-encompassing. it was highly helpful. As is your own tip, because I’d 
forgotten about that one.

Thank you.

Warm regards

Lynne

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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-13 Thread Sarah k Alawami

It's actually a lot easier then the prior poster said to close apps. Open the 
app switcher with the double press of the home button, flick to the app and 
simply swipe up with 3 fingers. I'd give you a link to my podcast but it is 
currently broken, that is, something ate my enclosures. lol!
On Oct 13, 2013, at 4:07 AM, Chris H  wrote:

> Lynn and all, double tap on the home button to bring up the app switcher. Now 
> this is what I do.
> 1. Swipe to the right with one finger until you come to an app.
> 2. Swipe up or down with one finger until the close app is selected, where 
> app is the name of an app, and double tap anywhere with one finger.
> 3. If multiple apps are in the switcher, then just double tap anywhere with 
> one finger until all you see is home. The reason is the close action is 
> already selected for you.
> Now here is another way to close apps in the switcher.
> Basically it is the same, however swipe up with three fingers. This works no 
> matter what action is selected in the rotor.
> Finally to close app switcher, either double tap anywhere with one finger on 
> the home icon, or press the home button.
> Hope this helps.
> 
> 
> E-mail Facebook and iMessage
> christopher...@gmail.com
> 
> On 13/10/2013 10:22, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
>> Hello Tommy
>> 
>> I need to try this for myself. So, from the main screen in iOS with 
>> VoiceOver active, how do you bring up the app switcher? I can switch apps 
>> visually and it’s really nice actually. But how do you initiate the app 
>> switcher with VoiceOver active? All or most of the gestures change. There is 
>> no longer the slide and twist type action which we use visually.
>> 
>> Warm regards
>> 
>> Lynne
>> 
>> On 3 Oct 2013, at 15:57, Tommy Craig  wrote:
>> 
>>> Well you were miss informed about there not being a 64gb version of the 5S I
>>> have one. I was one of the crazy ones who stood in line on the 20th in the
>>> rain to get one. It is a great phone and I love it. It is much more
>>> responsive than the 4S. As far as size and shape it is virtually the same as
>>> the Iphone 5. Much lighter and thinner than my 4S was. I also got one of the
>>> new leather cases from Apple and it is great. Very thin and light. Very nice
>>> feel in your hand.
>>> 
>>> As far as ios 7 goes I like it overall. There are a couple of minner issues
>>> such as the screen refreshing from time to time and VoiceOver is refreshed
>>> and so you loose you place in the app your in. Also when you close an app
>>> you don't always end up with the app highlighted on the screen. You end up
>>> with the first then on that page highlighted.
>>> 
>>> One of the really nice things is the change to the app switcher. Instead of
>>> doing the double click and hold to close apps, you now just swipe down and
>>> you have choices to open or close that app. One of the hardest thing for me
>>> to teach new users was the double tap and hold gesture.
>>> 
>>> Overall I like it a lot. I think a lot of low vission users don't like the
>>> color scheme of IOS 7. There are a number of things that you can do to make
>>> things easier to read though.
>> 
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RE: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-13 Thread Tommy Craig

To open the app switcher just press the home button twice. 

Tommy

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Annabel Smith
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 4:23 AM
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

Hello Tommy

I need to try this for myself. So, from the main screen in iOS with
VoiceOver active, how do you bring up the app switcher? I can switch apps
visually and it's really nice actually. But how do you initiate the app
switcher with VoiceOver active? All or most of the gestures change. There is
no longer the slide and twist type action which we use visually.

Warm regards

Lynne

On 3 Oct 2013, at 15:57, Tommy Craig  wrote:

> Well you were miss informed about there not being a 64gb version of 
> the 5S I have one. I was one of the crazy ones who stood in line on 
> the 20th in the rain to get one. It is a great phone and I love it. It 
> is much more responsive than the 4S. As far as size and shape it is 
> virtually the same as the Iphone 5. Much lighter and thinner than my 
> 4S was. I also got one of the new leather cases from Apple and it is 
> great. Very thin and light. Very nice feel in your hand.
> 
> As far as ios 7 goes I like it overall. There are a couple of minner 
> issues such as the screen refreshing from time to time and VoiceOver 
> is refreshed and so you loose you place in the app your in. Also when 
> you close an app you don't always end up with the app highlighted on 
> the screen. You end up with the first then on that page highlighted.
> 
> One of the really nice things is the change to the app switcher. 
> Instead of doing the double click and hold to close apps, you now just 
> swipe down and you have choices to open or close that app. One of the 
> hardest thing for me to teach new users was the double tap and hold 
> gesture.
> 
> Overall I like it a lot. I think a lot of low vission users don't like 
> the color scheme of IOS 7. There are a number of things that you can 
> do to make things easier to read though.

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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-13 Thread meadowlark77

Hit Home twice.

Take care,

Brenda

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- Original Message - 
From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 4:22 AM
Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

Hello Tommy

I need to try this for myself. So, from the main screen in iOS with 
VoiceOver active, how do you bring up the app switcher? I can switch apps 
visually and it’s really nice actually. But how do you initiate the app 
switcher with VoiceOver active? All or most of the gestures change. There is 
no longer the slide and twist type action which we use visually.

Warm regards

Lynne

On 3 Oct 2013, at 15:57, Tommy Craig  wrote:

> Well you were miss informed about there not being a 64gb version of the 5S 
> I
> have one. I was one of the crazy ones who stood in line on the 20th in the
> rain to get one. It is a great phone and I love it. It is much more
> responsive than the 4S. As far as size and shape it is virtually the same 
> as
> the Iphone 5. Much lighter and thinner than my 4S was. I also got one of 
> the
> new leather cases from Apple and it is great. Very thin and light. Very 
> nice
> feel in your hand.
>
> As far as ios 7 goes I like it overall. There are a couple of minner 
> issues
> such as the screen refreshing from time to time and VoiceOver is refreshed
> and so you loose you place in the app your in. Also when you close an app
> you don't always end up with the app highlighted on the screen. You end up
> with the first then on that page highlighted.
>
> One of the really nice things is the change to the app switcher. Instead 
> of
> doing the double click and hold to close apps, you now just swipe down and
> you have choices to open or close that app. One of the hardest thing for 
> me
> to teach new users was the double tap and hold gesture.
>
> Overall I like it a lot. I think a lot of low vission users don't like the
> color scheme of IOS 7. There are a number of things that you can do to 
> make
> things easier to read though.

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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-13 Thread Chris H

Lynn and all, double tap on the home button to bring up the app 
switcher. Now this is what I do.

1. Swipe to the right with one finger until you come to an app.
2. Swipe up or down with one finger until the close app is selected, 
where app is the name of an app, and double tap anywhere with one finger.
3. If multiple apps are in the switcher, then just double tap anywhere 
with one finger until all you see is home. The reason is the close 
action is already selected for you.

Now here is another way to close apps in the switcher.
Basically it is the same, however swipe up with three fingers. This 
works no matter what action is selected in the rotor.
Finally to close app switcher, either double tap anywhere with one 
finger on the home icon, or press the home button.

Hope this helps.


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On 13/10/2013 10:22, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

Hello Tommy

I need to try this for myself. So, from the main screen in iOS with VoiceOver 
active, how do you bring up the app switcher? I can switch apps visually and 
it’s really nice actually. But how do you initiate the app switcher with 
VoiceOver active? All or most of the gestures change. There is no longer the 
slide and twist type action which we use visually.

Warm regards

Lynne

On 3 Oct 2013, at 15:57, Tommy Craig  wrote:


Well you were miss informed about there not being a 64gb version of the 5S I
have one. I was one of the crazy ones who stood in line on the 20th in the
rain to get one. It is a great phone and I love it. It is much more
responsive than the 4S. As far as size and shape it is virtually the same as
the Iphone 5. Much lighter and thinner than my 4S was. I also got one of the
new leather cases from Apple and it is great. Very thin and light. Very nice
feel in your hand.

As far as ios 7 goes I like it overall. There are a couple of minner issues
such as the screen refreshing from time to time and VoiceOver is refreshed
and so you loose you place in the app your in. Also when you close an app
you don't always end up with the app highlighted on the screen. You end up
with the first then on that page highlighted.

One of the really nice things is the change to the app switcher. Instead of
doing the double click and hold to close apps, you now just swipe down and
you have choices to open or close that app. One of the hardest thing for me
to teach new users was the double tap and hold gesture.

Overall I like it a lot. I think a lot of low vission users don't like the
color scheme of IOS 7. There are a number of things that you can do to make
things easier to read though.


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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-13 Thread Chris H

Lynn and all, the iPhone 5 and later, including the 5c and 5s, requires 
a nanosim, not a microsim as with the case of the 4 and 4s.


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On 13/10/2013 10:28, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

Hello Zack

This seems to be Gordon’s opinion too. Like you he’s been using it for some 
time and had no problems. He is saying that he has never encountered the focus 
loss issue which others have mentioned. We all, that is to say Tracy, Gordon 
and I, have iPhone 4S models but I am seriously contemplating upgrading them 
all to the 5S. As I mentioned earlier my primary concern is the SIM. That is 
why I dare not upgrade by ordering from Apple until I know that I can get the 
SIM cards to work.

But getting back to accessibility. I find your comment below very constructive 
and encouraging. Many thanks.

Warm regards

Lynne

On 3 Oct 2013, at 16:11, Zachary Kline  wrote:


I’ve been using iOS 7 for a while now, and must say that the issues are very 
minor. Over all the experience is positive, for me as a totally blind person.


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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-13 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith

Hello Zack

This seems to be Gordon’s opinion too. Like you he’s been using it for some 
time and had no problems. He is saying that he has never encountered the focus 
loss issue which others have mentioned. We all, that is to say Tracy, Gordon 
and I, have iPhone 4S models but I am seriously contemplating upgrading them 
all to the 5S. As I mentioned earlier my primary concern is the SIM. That is 
why I dare not upgrade by ordering from Apple until I know that I can get the 
SIM cards to work.

But getting back to accessibility. I find your comment below very constructive 
and encouraging. Many thanks.

Warm regards

Lynne

On 3 Oct 2013, at 16:11, Zachary Kline  wrote:

> I’ve been using iOS 7 for a while now, and must say that the issues are very 
> minor. Over all the experience is positive, for me as a totally blind person.

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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-13 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith

Hello Tommy

I need to try this for myself. So, from the main screen in iOS with VoiceOver 
active, how do you bring up the app switcher? I can switch apps visually and 
it’s really nice actually. But how do you initiate the app switcher with 
VoiceOver active? All or most of the gestures change. There is no longer the 
slide and twist type action which we use visually.

Warm regards

Lynne

On 3 Oct 2013, at 15:57, Tommy Craig  wrote:

> Well you were miss informed about there not being a 64gb version of the 5S I
> have one. I was one of the crazy ones who stood in line on the 20th in the
> rain to get one. It is a great phone and I love it. It is much more
> responsive than the 4S. As far as size and shape it is virtually the same as
> the Iphone 5. Much lighter and thinner than my 4S was. I also got one of the
> new leather cases from Apple and it is great. Very thin and light. Very nice
> feel in your hand. 
> 
> As far as ios 7 goes I like it overall. There are a couple of minner issues
> such as the screen refreshing from time to time and VoiceOver is refreshed
> and so you loose you place in the app your in. Also when you close an app
> you don't always end up with the app highlighted on the screen. You end up
> with the first then on that page highlighted. 
> 
> One of the really nice things is the change to the app switcher. Instead of
> doing the double click and hold to close apps, you now just swipe down and
> you have choices to open or close that app. One of the hardest thing for me
> to teach new users was the double tap and hold gesture. 
> 
> Overall I like it a lot. I think a lot of low vission users don't like the
> color scheme of IOS 7. There are a number of things that you can do to make
> things easier to read though. 

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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-13 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith

Hello Dónal

Gordon hardly ever uses Safari in iOS, primarily I think because he gets a bit 
impatient with the mobile browser. But I think it is an area he needs to become 
more accustomed too as he might need that for work.

Thank you for your well thought through input.

Warm regards

Lynne

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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-13 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith

Hello Sarah

I am seeing that my question provoked a lot of responses which is great. Thank 
you for your input. Again though, it is a very colourful and pretty OS from the 
visual perspective. That was why I asked the question. Gordon has been using 
iOS7 for some time and finds it very easy to use. Some of the early builds were 
a bit wobbly, but most of the little niggles seem to have been ironed out.

One thing that struck us both is the much better synchronisation of playlists 
between OS X and iOS. When you create a playlist on your Mac or, I presume, on 
Windows iTunes too (but that’s off topic), they just synchronise now which is 
very very much better. Some playlists have always done this, but not all. 
VoiceOver seems good; although Gordon cannot get his HumanWAre BrailleNote to 
work with iOS7 at all, either on the iPad or the iPhone. It paired fine, but it 
won’t show up in the list of displays. But that is a different topic.

Warm regards

Lynne

On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

> I love ios7 and all its glory.  It's accessible with some quirks and some pas 
> crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access 
> issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice 
> some of the jesters  until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear 
> the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a 
> thing even in the key note in june.

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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-13 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith

Hello Caitlyn

Please forgive my shoddy response. Gordon and I ares only just managing to sit 
down now and respond to mail. Our work load has been excessive over the last 
few weeks.

iOS7 is very visually appealing if you like colourful and pretty icons. 
Functionally, even on our old iPhone 4S is is smooth and lovely to use. Gordon 
is finding no problems with using it. I am seriously considering upgrading all 
of our iPhones to the 5S model; but I’m not sure what we’d do about the SIM 
because the SIM cards in all of ours are Micro-SIM and the 5S uses Nano-SIM.

When we updated our 3GS to the 4S, we got an adapter and simply cut the cards 
to size. But I wouldn’t think the same will apply again. Any comment anybody?

Once again Caitlyn, many thanks for your informative comment.

Warm regards

Lynne

On 3 Oct 2013, at 09:14, Cait and Maggie  wrote:

> Hi Lynn,
> Personally, I like IOS 7.
> 
> some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a 
> few of them, but that's me and not the OS!
> 
> We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model.  IOS 7 
> does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with 
> the older phones, either.  I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and 
> it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable.
> 
> I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can 
> definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model.

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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-04 Thread Sarah k Alawami

Sure. Try, what plains are above me. In fact go look at 
http://audioboo.fm/marrie1 and it should be the latest one there. I did a mini 
thing on that.

Tc.
On Oct 4, 2013, at 4:37 AM, Carol Pearson  
wrote:

> Chris, can you please give an example, a specific question asked, so that we 
> can see what you mean?
> 
> 
> 
> carol P
> Sent from my iPod
> 
> On 4 Oct 2013, at 12:33 PM, Chris H  wrote:
> 
> Have you guys noticed Siri behaves differently whether VoiceOver is on or 
> off? With VoiceOver on Siri is more descriptive but with VoiceOver off Siri 
> is less than helpful and expects you to look at any information presented. 
> Just saying.
> 
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> 
> On 04/10/2013 11:18, Josh Gregory wrote:
>> Yeah, the only sure fire way that I can think of to get it to work would be 
>> to turn off voice over, and even then it won't work half the time. Sometimes 
>> it will work, but it is hit or miss, I might ask it a few things and it 
>> might be spot on sometimes, but that's only sometimes.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 4, 2013, at 5:53 AM, "David Griffith"  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I agree that the usability of Siri has plummeted.
>>> 
>>> It has failed to make 3 calls in the last 10 minutes alone  even though it
>>> announces that it is calling the number.
>>> 
>>> David Griffith
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-----
>>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of William Lomas
>>> Sent: 03 October 2013 21:15
>>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>>> Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
>>> 
>>> siri for me on ios is shocking now it never responds smile i do like the OS
>>> now since 7.0.2 it seems a lot more responsive to VO users though battery
>>> life as to be expected terrible even with motion control off
>>> 
>>> On 3 Oct 2013, at 21:01, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I think you're a little confused.  The 5C does not go any higher than the
>>> 32 gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs.  I just wanted to
>>> clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing.
>>>> 
>>>> Chris.
>>>> 
>>>> - Original Message - From: "Sarah k Alawami"
>>>> 
>>>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I love ios7 and all its glory.  It's accessible with some quirks and some
>>> pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access
>>> issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice
>>> some of the jesters  until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear
>>> the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a
>>> thing even in the key note in june.
>>>> 
>>>> Tc.
>>>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Lynn,
>>>>> Personally, I like IOS 7.
>>>>> 
>>>>> some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with
>>> a few of them, but that's me and not the OS!
>>>>> 
>>>>> We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model.  IOS
>>> 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot
>>> with the older phones, either.  I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2
>>> and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can
>>> definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Caitlyn
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith"
>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello everybody
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Firstly, let me just say that I'm not interested in what the "fat cats"
>>> and the professional analysts say; I'm looking for genuine user opinion
>>> here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in
>>> ter

Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-04 Thread Sarah k Alawami

For me and siri I don't use it for calls, ever. I never did as it has always 
failed  there even in ios6. but as for asking it stuff, it works just fantastic 
for me. I can get stuff spot on. Just give it a few more weeks as there are 
millions of people right nor accessing the servers. If only it can do why the 
droid does and have most of that stuff like the dictation and contact calling 
take place off line, and on the device.

Tc.
On Oct 4, 2013, at 2:58 AM, Daniela Rubio  wrote:

> I hope it is fixed, because it really worked very nice. Now, it makes me 
> crazy to bring Siri out and ask for things.. IT is a shame.
> 
> Cheers!
> Daniela Rubio T
> iPhone: +34662328507
> 
> 
> 
> El 04/10/2013, a las 11:53, "David Griffith"  
> escribió:
> 
>> I agree that the usability of Siri has plummeted.
>> 
>> It has failed to make 3 calls in the last 10 minutes alone  even though it
>> announces that it is calling the number.
>> 
>> David Griffith

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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-04 Thread meadowlark77

I've heard that quite a bit. I've also heard:

"'m sorry. I can take no more requests at this time."

Take care,

Brenda

mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
- Original Message - 
From: "Daniela Rubio" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?


Hei, a good idea! I think that we can gust used to new ways of doing things, 
but what I just don't like, is that Siri now is slow, and many times she 
says: "I am sorry, but I can' help you at this time"

Daniela Rubio T
iPhone: +34662328507



El 04/10/2013, a las 16:17, "meadowlark77"  escribió:

> Yeah, I've noticed that. I hate to search for something with Siri, because
> it'll say "Look" and I discovered if I do a two finger swipe up the 
> screen,
> I can see what she's telling me to look at, but this is a real bummer to 
> me,
> I think.
>
> Take care,
>
> Brenda
>
> mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chris H" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 6:33 AM
> Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
>
>
> Have you guys noticed Siri behaves differently whether VoiceOver is on
> or off? With VoiceOver on Siri is more descriptive but with VoiceOver
> off Siri is less than helpful and expects you to look at any information
> presented. Just saying.
>
> E-mail Facebook and iMessage
> christopher...@gmail.com
>
> On 04/10/2013 11:18, Josh Gregory wrote:
>> Yeah, the only sure fire way that I can think of to get it to work would
>> be to turn off voice over, and even then it won't work half the time.
>> Sometimes it will work, but it is hit or miss, I might ask it a few 
>> things
>> and it might be spot on sometimes, but that's only sometimes.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Oct 4, 2013, at 5:53 AM, "David Griffith" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree that the usability of Siri has plummeted.
>>>
>>> It has failed to make 3 calls in the last 10 minutes alone  even though
>>> it
>>> announces that it is calling the number.
>>>
>>> David Griffith
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of William Lomas
>>> Sent: 03 October 2013 21:15
>>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>>> Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
>>>
>>> siri for me on ios is shocking now it never responds smile i do like the
>>> OS
>>> now since 7.0.2 it seems a lot more responsive to VO users though 
>>> battery
>>> life as to be expected terrible even with motion control off
>>>
>>> On 3 Oct 2013, at 21:01, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think you're a little confused.  The 5C does not go any higher than
>>>> the
>>> 32 gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs.  I just wanted
>>> to
>>> clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing.
>>>>
>>>> Chris.
>>>>
>>>> - Original Message - From: "Sarah k Alawami"
>>>> 
>>>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I love ios7 and all its glory.  It's accessible with some quirks and
>>>> some
>>> pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for
>>> access
>>> issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to
>>> practice
>>> some of the jesters  until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you
>>> hear
>>> the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear
>>> such a
>>> thing even in the key note in june.
>>>>
>>>> Tc.
>>>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie 
>>>>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Lynn,
>>>>> Personally, I like IOS 7.
>>>>>
>>>>> some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle
>>>>> with
>>> a few of them, but that's me and not the OS!
>>>>>
>>>>> We upgraded both our phones from i phon

Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-04 Thread Daniela Rubio

Hei, a good idea! I think that we can gust used to new ways of doing things, 
but what I just don't like, is that Siri now is slow, and many times she says: 
"I am sorry, but I can' help you at this time"

Daniela Rubio T
iPhone: +34662328507



El 04/10/2013, a las 16:17, "meadowlark77"  escribió:

> Yeah, I've noticed that. I hate to search for something with Siri, because 
> it'll say "Look" and I discovered if I do a two finger swipe up the screen, 
> I can see what she's telling me to look at, but this is a real bummer to me, 
> I think.
> 
> Take care,
> 
> Brenda
> 
> mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Chris H" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 6:33 AM
> Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
> 
> 
> Have you guys noticed Siri behaves differently whether VoiceOver is on
> or off? With VoiceOver on Siri is more descriptive but with VoiceOver
> off Siri is less than helpful and expects you to look at any information
> presented. Just saying.
> 
> E-mail Facebook and iMessage
> christopher...@gmail.com
> 
> On 04/10/2013 11:18, Josh Gregory wrote:
>> Yeah, the only sure fire way that I can think of to get it to work would 
>> be to turn off voice over, and even then it won't work half the time. 
>> Sometimes it will work, but it is hit or miss, I might ask it a few things 
>> and it might be spot on sometimes, but that's only sometimes.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 4, 2013, at 5:53 AM, "David Griffith"  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I agree that the usability of Siri has plummeted.
>>> 
>>> It has failed to make 3 calls in the last 10 minutes alone  even though 
>>> it
>>> announces that it is calling the number.
>>> 
>>> David Griffith
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of William Lomas
>>> Sent: 03 October 2013 21:15
>>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>>> Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
>>> 
>>> siri for me on ios is shocking now it never responds smile i do like the 
>>> OS
>>> now since 7.0.2 it seems a lot more responsive to VO users though battery
>>> life as to be expected terrible even with motion control off
>>> 
>>> On 3 Oct 2013, at 21:01, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I think you're a little confused.  The 5C does not go any higher than 
>>>> the
>>> 32 gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs.  I just wanted 
>>> to
>>> clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing.
>>>> 
>>>> Chris.
>>>> 
>>>> - Original Message - From: "Sarah k Alawami"
>>>> 
>>>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I love ios7 and all its glory.  It's accessible with some quirks and 
>>>> some
>>> pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for 
>>> access
>>> issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to 
>>> practice
>>> some of the jesters  until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you 
>>> hear
>>> the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear 
>>> such a
>>> thing even in the key note in june.
>>>> 
>>>> Tc.
>>>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Lynn,
>>>>> Personally, I like IOS 7.
>>>>> 
>>>>> some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle 
>>>>> with
>>> a few of them, but that's me and not the OS!
>>>>> 
>>>>> We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. 
>>>>> IOS
>>> 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a 
>>> lot
>>> with the older phones, either.  I am also running the new OS on my i pad 
>>> 2
>>> and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm not s

Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-04 Thread meadowlark77

Yeah, I've noticed that. I hate to search for something with Siri, because 
it'll say "Look" and I discovered if I do a two finger swipe up the screen, 
I can see what she's telling me to look at, but this is a real bummer to me, 
I think.

Take care,

Brenda

mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
- Original Message - 
From: "Chris H" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 6:33 AM
Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?


Have you guys noticed Siri behaves differently whether VoiceOver is on
or off? With VoiceOver on Siri is more descriptive but with VoiceOver
off Siri is less than helpful and expects you to look at any information
presented. Just saying.

E-mail Facebook and iMessage
christopher...@gmail.com

On 04/10/2013 11:18, Josh Gregory wrote:
> Yeah, the only sure fire way that I can think of to get it to work would 
> be to turn off voice over, and even then it won't work half the time. 
> Sometimes it will work, but it is hit or miss, I might ask it a few things 
> and it might be spot on sometimes, but that's only sometimes.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 4, 2013, at 5:53 AM, "David Griffith"  
>> wrote:
>>
>> I agree that the usability of Siri has plummeted.
>>
>> It has failed to make 3 calls in the last 10 minutes alone  even though 
>> it
>> announces that it is calling the number.
>>
>> David Griffith
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of William Lomas
>> Sent: 03 October 2013 21:15
>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
>>
>> siri for me on ios is shocking now it never responds smile i do like the 
>> OS
>> now since 7.0.2 it seems a lot more responsive to VO users though battery
>> life as to be expected terrible even with motion control off
>>
>> On 3 Oct 2013, at 21:01, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> I think you're a little confused.  The 5C does not go any higher than 
>>> the
>> 32 gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs.  I just wanted 
>> to
>> clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing.
>>>
>>> Chris.
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "Sarah k Alawami"
>>> 
>>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM
>>> Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
>>>
>>>
>>> I love ios7 and all its glory.  It's accessible with some quirks and 
>>> some
>> pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for 
>> access
>> issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to 
>> practice
>> some of the jesters  until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you 
>> hear
>> the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear 
>> such a
>> thing even in the key note in june.
>>>
>>> Tc.
>>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Lynn,
>>>> Personally, I like IOS 7.
>>>>
>>>> some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle 
>>>> with
>> a few of them, but that's me and not the OS!
>>>>
>>>> We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. 
>>>> IOS
>> 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a 
>> lot
>> with the older phones, either.  I am also running the new OS on my i pad 
>> 2
>> and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can
>> definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model.
>>>>
>>>> Caitlyn
>>>>
>>>> On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith"
>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello everybody
>>>>>
>>>>> Firstly, let me just say that I'm not interested in what the "fat 
>>>>> cats"
>> and the professional analysts say; I'm looking for genuine user opinion
>> here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, 
>> in
>> terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic.
>> Speaking as somebody with vision, on th

Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-04 Thread Josh Gregory

Yeah, maybe that's a benefit to us.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 4, 2013, at 7:33 AM, Chris H  wrote:
> 
> Have you guys noticed Siri behaves differently whether VoiceOver is on or 
> off? With VoiceOver on Siri is more descriptive but with VoiceOver off Siri 
> is less than helpful and expects you to look at any information presented. 
> Just saying.
> 
> E-mail Facebook and iMessage
> christopher...@gmail.com
> 
>> On 04/10/2013 11:18, Josh Gregory wrote:
>> Yeah, the only sure fire way that I can think of to get it to work would be 
>> to turn off voice over, and even then it won't work half the time. Sometimes 
>> it will work, but it is hit or miss, I might ask it a few things and it 
>> might be spot on sometimes, but that's only sometimes.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 4, 2013, at 5:53 AM, "David Griffith"  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I agree that the usability of Siri has plummeted.
>>> 
>>> It has failed to make 3 calls in the last 10 minutes alone  even though it
>>> announces that it is calling the number.
>>> 
>>> David Griffith
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of William Lomas
>>> Sent: 03 October 2013 21:15
>>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>>> Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
>>> 
>>> siri for me on ios is shocking now it never responds smile i do like the OS
>>> now since 7.0.2 it seems a lot more responsive to VO users though battery
>>> life as to be expected terrible even with motion control off
>>> 
>>> On 3 Oct 2013, at 21:01, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I think you're a little confused.  The 5C does not go any higher than the
>>> 32 gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs.  I just wanted to
>>> clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing.
>>>> 
>>>> Chris.
>>>> 
>>>> - Original Message - From: "Sarah k Alawami"
>>>> 
>>>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I love ios7 and all its glory.  It's accessible with some quirks and some
>>> pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access
>>> issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice
>>> some of the jesters  until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear
>>> the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a
>>> thing even in the key note in june.
>>>> 
>>>> Tc.
>>>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Lynn,
>>>>> Personally, I like IOS 7.
>>>>> 
>>>>> some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with
>>> a few of them, but that's me and not the OS!
>>>>> 
>>>>> We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model.  IOS
>>> 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot
>>> with the older phones, either.  I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2
>>> and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can
>>> definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Caitlyn
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith"
>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello everybody
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Firstly, let me just say that I'm not interested in what the "fat cats"
>>> and the professional analysts say; I'm looking for genuine user opinion
>>> here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in
>>> terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic.
>>> Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might
>>> say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment
>>> as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I

Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-04 Thread Carol Pearson

OK, Chris, very interesting, especially as people are reporting that Siri seems 
to be working better without VO on.

Thanks for this explanation. I'll look for more examples. 



carol P
Sent from my iPod

On 4 Oct 2013, at 12:43 PM, Chris H  wrote:

When I asked it to check the weather, with VoiceOver on it will describe the 
current condition, the temperature, and a summary of the conditions for the 
next few days. With VoiceOver off all Siri says is, "ok. here is the weather", 
and displays and not reads it.

E-mail Facebook and iMessage
christopher...@gmail.com

On 04/10/2013 12:37, Carol Pearson wrote:
> Chris, can you please give an example, a specific question asked, so that we 
> can see what you mean?
> 
> 
> 
> carol P
> Sent from my iPod
> 
> On 4 Oct 2013, at 12:33 PM, Chris H  wrote:
> 
> Have you guys noticed Siri behaves differently whether VoiceOver is on or 
> off? With VoiceOver on Siri is more descriptive but with VoiceOver off Siri 
> is less than helpful and expects you to look at any information presented. 
> Just saying.
> 
> E-mail Facebook and iMessage
> christopher...@gmail.com
> 
> On 04/10/2013 11:18, Josh Gregory wrote:
>> Yeah, the only sure fire way that I can think of to get it to work would be 
>> to turn off voice over, and even then it won't work half the time. Sometimes 
>> it will work, but it is hit or miss, I might ask it a few things and it 
>> might be spot on sometimes, but that's only sometimes.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 4, 2013, at 5:53 AM, "David Griffith"  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I agree that the usability of Siri has plummeted.
>>> 
>>> It has failed to make 3 calls in the last 10 minutes alone  even though it
>>> announces that it is calling the number.
>>> 
>>> David Griffith
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-
>>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of William Lomas
>>> Sent: 03 October 2013 21:15
>>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>>> Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
>>> 
>>> siri for me on ios is shocking now it never responds smile i do like the OS
>>> now since 7.0.2 it seems a lot more responsive to VO users though battery
>>> life as to be expected terrible even with motion control off
>>> 
>>> On 3 Oct 2013, at 21:01, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I think you're a little confused.  The 5C does not go any higher than the
>>> 32 gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs.  I just wanted to
>>> clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing.
>>>> 
>>>> Chris.
>>>> 
>>>> - Original Message - From: "Sarah k Alawami"
>>>> 
>>>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I love ios7 and all its glory.  It's accessible with some quirks and some
>>> pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access
>>> issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice
>>> some of the jesters  until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear
>>> the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a
>>> thing even in the key note in june.
>>>> 
>>>> Tc.
>>>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Lynn,
>>>>> Personally, I like IOS 7.
>>>>> 
>>>>> some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with
>>> a few of them, but that's me and not the OS!
>>>>> 
>>>>> We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model.  IOS
>>> 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot
>>> with the older phones, either.  I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2
>>> and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can
>>> definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Caitlyn
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith&qu

Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-04 Thread Chris H

When I asked it to check the weather, with VoiceOver on it will describe 
the current condition, the temperature, and a summary of the conditions 
for the next few days. With VoiceOver off all Siri says is, "ok. here is 
the weather", and displays and not reads it.


E-mail Facebook and iMessage
christopher...@gmail.com

On 04/10/2013 12:37, Carol Pearson wrote:

Chris, can you please give an example, a specific question asked, so that we 
can see what you mean?



carol P
Sent from my iPod

On 4 Oct 2013, at 12:33 PM, Chris H  wrote:

Have you guys noticed Siri behaves differently whether VoiceOver is on or off? 
With VoiceOver on Siri is more descriptive but with VoiceOver off Siri is less 
than helpful and expects you to look at any information presented. Just saying.

E-mail Facebook and iMessage
christopher...@gmail.com

On 04/10/2013 11:18, Josh Gregory wrote:

Yeah, the only sure fire way that I can think of to get it to work would be to 
turn off voice over, and even then it won't work half the time. Sometimes it 
will work, but it is hit or miss, I might ask it a few things and it might be 
spot on sometimes, but that's only sometimes.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 4, 2013, at 5:53 AM, "David Griffith"  wrote:

I agree that the usability of Siri has plummeted.

It has failed to make 3 calls in the last 10 minutes alone  even though it
announces that it is calling the number.

David Griffith

-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of William Lomas
Sent: 03 October 2013 21:15
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

siri for me on ios is shocking now it never responds smile i do like the OS
now since 7.0.2 it seems a lot more responsive to VO users though battery
life as to be expected terrible even with motion control off

On 3 Oct 2013, at 21:01, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"
 wrote:


I think you're a little confused.  The 5C does not go any higher than the

32 gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs.  I just wanted to
clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Sarah k Alawami"

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?


I love ios7 and all its glory.  It's accessible with some quirks and some

pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access
issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice
some of the jesters  until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear
the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a
thing even in the key note in june.


Tc.

On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie 

wrote:


Hi Lynn,
Personally, I like IOS 7.

some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with

a few of them, but that's me and not the OS!


We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model.  IOS

7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot
with the older phones, either.  I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2
and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable.


I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can

definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model.


Caitlyn

On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith"

 wrote:



Hello everybody

Firstly, let me just say that I'm not interested in what the "fat cats"

and the professional analysts say; I'm looking for genuine user opinion
here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in
terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic.
Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might
say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment
as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven't gave much
of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual
perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now
interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon.
Of course, Apple's errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets
were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did
move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a
mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect.


I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that

there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5,
iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release
of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has
noticed a significant increase in func

Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-04 Thread Carol Pearson

Chris, can you please give an example, a specific question asked, so that we 
can see what you mean?



carol P
Sent from my iPod

On 4 Oct 2013, at 12:33 PM, Chris H  wrote:

Have you guys noticed Siri behaves differently whether VoiceOver is on or off? 
With VoiceOver on Siri is more descriptive but with VoiceOver off Siri is less 
than helpful and expects you to look at any information presented. Just saying.

E-mail Facebook and iMessage
christopher...@gmail.com

On 04/10/2013 11:18, Josh Gregory wrote:
> Yeah, the only sure fire way that I can think of to get it to work would be 
> to turn off voice over, and even then it won't work half the time. Sometimes 
> it will work, but it is hit or miss, I might ask it a few things and it might 
> be spot on sometimes, but that's only sometimes.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 4, 2013, at 5:53 AM, "David Griffith"  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I agree that the usability of Siri has plummeted.
>> 
>> It has failed to make 3 calls in the last 10 minutes alone  even though it
>> announces that it is calling the number.
>> 
>> David Griffith
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of William Lomas
>> Sent: 03 October 2013 21:15
>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
>> 
>> siri for me on ios is shocking now it never responds smile i do like the OS
>> now since 7.0.2 it seems a lot more responsive to VO users though battery
>> life as to be expected terrible even with motion control off
>> 
>> On 3 Oct 2013, at 21:01, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> I think you're a little confused.  The 5C does not go any higher than the
>> 32 gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs.  I just wanted to
>> clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Sarah k Alawami"
>>> 
>>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM
>>> Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I love ios7 and all its glory.  It's accessible with some quirks and some
>> pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access
>> issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice
>> some of the jesters  until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear
>> the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a
>> thing even in the key note in june.
>>> 
>>> Tc.
>>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Lynn,
>>>> Personally, I like IOS 7.
>>>> 
>>>> some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with
>> a few of them, but that's me and not the OS!
>>>> 
>>>> We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model.  IOS
>> 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot
>> with the older phones, either.  I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2
>> and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can
>> definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model.
>>>> 
>>>> Caitlyn
>>>> 
>>>> On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith"
>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hello everybody
>>>>> 
>>>>> Firstly, let me just say that I'm not interested in what the "fat cats"
>> and the professional analysts say; I'm looking for genuine user opinion
>> here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in
>> terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic.
>> Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might
>> say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment
>> as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven't gave much
>> of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual
>> perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now
>> interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon.
>> Of course, Apple's errors which only

Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-04 Thread Chris H

Have you guys noticed Siri behaves differently whether VoiceOver is on 
or off? With VoiceOver on Siri is more descriptive but with VoiceOver 
off Siri is less than helpful and expects you to look at any information 
presented. Just saying.


E-mail Facebook and iMessage
christopher...@gmail.com

On 04/10/2013 11:18, Josh Gregory wrote:

Yeah, the only sure fire way that I can think of to get it to work would be to 
turn off voice over, and even then it won't work half the time. Sometimes it 
will work, but it is hit or miss, I might ask it a few things and it might be 
spot on sometimes, but that's only sometimes.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 4, 2013, at 5:53 AM, "David Griffith"  wrote:

I agree that the usability of Siri has plummeted.

It has failed to make 3 calls in the last 10 minutes alone  even though it
announces that it is calling the number.

David Griffith

-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of William Lomas
Sent: 03 October 2013 21:15
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

siri for me on ios is shocking now it never responds smile i do like the OS
now since 7.0.2 it seems a lot more responsive to VO users though battery
life as to be expected terrible even with motion control off

On 3 Oct 2013, at 21:01, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"
 wrote:


I think you're a little confused.  The 5C does not go any higher than the

32 gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs.  I just wanted to
clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Sarah k Alawami"

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?


I love ios7 and all its glory.  It's accessible with some quirks and some

pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access
issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice
some of the jesters  until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear
the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a
thing even in the key note in june.


Tc.

On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie 

wrote:


Hi Lynn,
Personally, I like IOS 7.

some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with

a few of them, but that's me and not the OS!


We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model.  IOS

7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot
with the older phones, either.  I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2
and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable.


I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can

definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model.


Caitlyn

On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith"

 wrote:



Hello everybody

Firstly, let me just say that I'm not interested in what the "fat cats"

and the professional analysts say; I'm looking for genuine user opinion
here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in
terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic.
Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might
say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment
as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven't gave much
of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual
perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now
interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon.
Of course, Apple's errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets
were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did
move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a
mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect.


I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that

there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5,
iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release
of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has
noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the
significant differences that you noticed?


I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But

I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our
iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I'm
going to upgrade there's have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual
cameras would be nice, but not essential.


I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a

cordial and productive discussion.


Warm regards

Lynne


<

Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-04 Thread Josh Gregory

Yeah, the only sure fire way that I can think of to get it to work would be to 
turn off voice over, and even then it won't work half the time. Sometimes it 
will work, but it is hit or miss, I might ask it a few things and it might be 
spot on sometimes, but that's only sometimes.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 4, 2013, at 5:53 AM, "David Griffith"  
> wrote:
> 
> I agree that the usability of Siri has plummeted.
> 
> It has failed to make 3 calls in the last 10 minutes alone  even though it
> announces that it is calling the number.
> 
> David Griffith
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of William Lomas
> Sent: 03 October 2013 21:15
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
> 
> siri for me on ios is shocking now it never responds smile i do like the OS
> now since 7.0.2 it seems a lot more responsive to VO users though battery
> life as to be expected terrible even with motion control off
> 
> On 3 Oct 2013, at 21:01, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"
>  wrote:
> 
>> I think you're a little confused.  The 5C does not go any higher than the
> 32 gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs.  I just wanted to
> clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Sarah k Alawami" 
>> 
>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM
>> Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
>> 
>> 
>> I love ios7 and all its glory.  It's accessible with some quirks and some
> pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access
> issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice
> some of the jesters  until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear
> the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a
> thing even in the key note in june.
>> 
>> Tc.
>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Lynn,
>>> Personally, I like IOS 7.
>>> 
>>> some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with
> a few of them, but that's me and not the OS!
>>> 
>>> We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model.  IOS
> 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot
> with the older phones, either.  I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2
> and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable.
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can
> definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model.
>>> 
>>> Caitlyn
>>> 
>>> On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith"
>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello everybody
>>>> 
>>>> Firstly, let me just say that I'm not interested in what the "fat cats"
> and the professional analysts say; I'm looking for genuine user opinion
> here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in
> terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic.
> Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might
> say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment
> as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven't gave much
> of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual
> perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now
> interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon.
> Of course, Apple's errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets
> were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did
> move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a
> mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect.
>>>> 
>>>> I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that
> there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5,
> iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release
> of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has
> noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the
> significant differences that you noticed?
>>>> 
>>>> I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But
> I seem to remember that there is n

Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-04 Thread Daniela Rubio

I hope it is fixed, because it really worked very nice. Now, it makes me crazy 
to bring Siri out and ask for things.. IT is a shame.

Cheers!
Daniela Rubio T
iPhone: +34662328507



El 04/10/2013, a las 11:53, "David Griffith"  
escribió:

> I agree that the usability of Siri has plummeted.
> 
> It has failed to make 3 calls in the last 10 minutes alone  even though it
> announces that it is calling the number.
> 
> David Griffith
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of William Lomas
> Sent: 03 October 2013 21:15
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
> 
> siri for me on ios is shocking now it never responds smile i do like the OS
> now since 7.0.2 it seems a lot more responsive to VO users though battery
> life as to be expected terrible even with motion control off
> 
> On 3 Oct 2013, at 21:01, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"
>  wrote:
> 
>> I think you're a little confused.  The 5C does not go any higher than the
> 32 gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs.  I just wanted to
> clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Sarah k Alawami" 
>> 
>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM
>> Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
>> 
>> 
>> I love ios7 and all its glory.  It's accessible with some quirks and some
> pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access
> issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice
> some of the jesters  until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear
> the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a
> thing even in the key note in june.
>> 
>> Tc.
>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie 
> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Lynn,
>>> Personally, I like IOS 7.
>>> 
>>> some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with
> a few of them, but that's me and not the OS!
>>> 
>>> We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model.  IOS
> 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot
> with the older phones, either.  I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2
> and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable.
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can
> definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model.
>>> 
>>> Caitlyn
>>> 
>>> On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith"
>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello everybody
>>>> 
>>>> Firstly, let me just say that I'm not interested in what the "fat cats"
> and the professional analysts say; I'm looking for genuine user opinion
> here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in
> terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic.
> Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might
> say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment
> as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven't gave much
> of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual
> perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now
> interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon.
> Of course, Apple's errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets
> were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did
> move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a
> mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect.
>>>> 
>>>> I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that
> there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5,
> iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release
> of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has
> noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the
> significant differences that you noticed?
>>>> 
>>>> I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But
> I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our
> iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I'm
> going to upgrade there&#x

RE: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-04 Thread David Griffith

I agree that the usability of Siri has plummeted.

It has failed to make 3 calls in the last 10 minutes alone  even though it
announces that it is calling the number.

David Griffith

-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of William Lomas
Sent: 03 October 2013 21:15
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

siri for me on ios is shocking now it never responds smile i do like the OS
now since 7.0.2 it seems a lot more responsive to VO users though battery
life as to be expected terrible even with motion control off

On 3 Oct 2013, at 21:01, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"
 wrote:

> I think you're a little confused.  The 5C does not go any higher than the
32 gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs.  I just wanted to
clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Sarah k Alawami" 
> 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM
> Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
> 
> 
> I love ios7 and all its glory.  It's accessible with some quirks and some
pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access
issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice
some of the jesters  until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear
the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a
thing even in the key note in june.
> 
> Tc.
> On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie 
wrote:
> 
>> Hi Lynn,
>> Personally, I like IOS 7.
>> 
>> some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with
a few of them, but that's me and not the OS!
>> 
>> We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model.  IOS
7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot
with the older phones, either.  I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2
and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable.
>> 
>> I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can
definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model.
>> 
>> Caitlyn
>> 
>> On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith"
 wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello everybody
>>> 
>>> Firstly, let me just say that I'm not interested in what the "fat cats"
and the professional analysts say; I'm looking for genuine user opinion
here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in
terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic.
Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might
say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment
as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven't gave much
of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual
perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now
interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon.
Of course, Apple's errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets
were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did
move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a
mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect.
>>> 
>>> I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that
there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5,
iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release
of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has
noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the
significant differences that you noticed?
>>> 
>>> I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But
I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our
iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I'm
going to upgrade there's have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual
cameras would be nice, but not essential.
>>> 
>>> I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a
cordial and productive discussion.
>>> 
>>> Warm regards
>>> 
>>> Lynne
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-03 Thread Josh Gregory

Yeah, I think you got that right.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 3, 2013, at 8:20 PM, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
> 
> I believe the graphics will adjust an dmove when your phone does. Might make 
> one sea sick if they are prone to that. lol!
> 
> Someone with sight can probably explain the feature better then I can. lol.
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 13:17, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> What do you mean by motion control?  Can you please elaberate on that a bit? 
>> I'm very interested.
>> 
>> chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "William Lomas" 
>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 4:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
>> 
>> 
>> siri for me on ios is shocking now it never responds smile
>> i do like the OS now since 7.0.2 it seems a lot more responsive to VO users 
>> though battery life as to be expected terrible even with motion control off
>> 
>>> On 3 Oct 2013, at 21:01, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think you're a little confused.  The 5C does not go any higher than the 
>>> 32 gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs.  I just wanted to 
>>> clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Sarah k Alawami" 
>>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM
>>> Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I love ios7 and all its glory.  It's accessible with some quirks and some 
>>> pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access 
>>> issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice 
>>> some of the jesters  until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you 
>>> hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear 
>>> such a thing even in the key note in june.
>>> 
>>> Tc.
>>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Lynn,
>>>> Personally, I like IOS 7.
>>>> 
>>>> some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with 
>>>> a few of them, but that's me and not the OS!
>>>> 
>>>> We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model.  IOS 7 
>>>> does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot 
>>>> with the older phones, either.  I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 
>>>> and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can 
>>>> definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model.
>>>> 
>>>> Caitlyn
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello everybody
>>>>> 
>>>>> Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” 
>>>>> and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion 
>>>>> here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, 
>>>>> in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary 
>>>>> topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you 
>>>>> might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and 
>>>>> commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I 
>>>>> haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, 
>>>>> from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that 
>>>>> applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 
>>>>> have been improved upon. Of course, Apple’s errors which only came to 
>>>>> light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I 
>>>>> would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and 
>>>>> now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can 
>>>>> reasonably expect.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that 
&

Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-03 Thread Sarah Alawami

I believe the graphics will adjust an dmove when your phone does. Might make 
one sea sick if they are prone to that. lol!

Someone with sight can probably explain the feature better then I can. lol.

> On Oct 3, 2013, at 13:17, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>  wrote:
> 
> What do you mean by motion control?  Can you please elaberate on that a bit? 
> I'm very interested.
> 
> chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "William Lomas" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 4:14 PM
> Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
> 
> 
> siri for me on ios is shocking now it never responds smile
> i do like the OS now since 7.0.2 it seems a lot more responsive to VO users 
> though battery life as to be expected terrible even with motion control off
> 
>> On 3 Oct 2013, at 21:01, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I think you're a little confused.  The 5C does not go any higher than the 32 
>> gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs.  I just wanted to 
>> clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> ----- Original Message - From: "Sarah k Alawami" 
>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM
>> Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
>> 
>> 
>> I love ios7 and all its glory.  It's accessible with some quirks and some 
>> pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access 
>> issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice 
>> some of the jesters  until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear 
>> the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a 
>> thing even in the key note in june.
>> 
>> Tc.
>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Lynn,
>>> Personally, I like IOS 7.
>>> 
>>> some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a 
>>> few of them, but that's me and not the OS!
>>> 
>>> We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model.  IOS 7 
>>> does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot 
>>> with the older phones, either.  I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 
>>> and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable.
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can 
>>> definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model.
>>> 
>>> Caitlyn
>>> 
>>>> On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello everybody
>>>> 
>>>> Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” 
>>>> and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion 
>>>> here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, 
>>>> in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary 
>>>> topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you 
>>>> might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and 
>>>> commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I 
>>>> haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, 
>>>> from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that 
>>>> applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 
>>>> have been improved upon. Of course, Apple’s errors which only came to 
>>>> light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I 
>>>> would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and 
>>>> now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can 
>>>> reasonably expect.
>>>> 
>>>> I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that 
>>>> there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, 
>>>> iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release 
>>>> of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has 
>>>> noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the 
>>>> significant differences that you noticed?
>>>> 
>>>> I am toying w

Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-03 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland

What do you mean by motion control?  Can you please elaberate on that a bit? 
I'm very interested.

chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "William Lomas" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

siri for me on ios is shocking now it never responds smile
i do like the OS now since 7.0.2 it seems a lot more responsive to VO users 
though battery life as to be expected terrible even with motion control off

On 3 Oct 2013, at 21:01, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
 wrote:

I think you're a little confused.  The 5C does not go any higher than the 
32 gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs.  I just wanted to 
clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Sarah k Alawami" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

I love ios7 and all its glory.  It's accessible with some quirks and some 
pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for 
access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to 
practice some of the jesters  until you can do them in your sleep. Where 
did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did 
not hear such a thing even in the key note in june.

Tc.
On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie  
wrote:

Hi Lynn,
Personally, I like IOS 7.

some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with 
a few of them, but that's me and not the OS!

We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model.  IOS 
7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a 
lot with the older phones, either.  I am also running the new OS on my i 
pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable.

I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can 
definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model.

Caitlyn

On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" 
 wrote:

Hello everybody

Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” 
and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion 
here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is 
public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a 
secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside 
looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained 
its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to 
accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play 
around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is 
gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the 
gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, 
Apple’s errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a 
little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did 
move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a 
mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect.

I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that 
there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, 
iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the 
release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier 
model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, 
what were the significant differences that you noticed?

I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But 
I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our 
iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I’m 
going to upgrade there’s have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual 
cameras would be nice, but not essential.

I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a 
cordial and productive discussion.

Warm regards

Lynne

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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-03 Thread William Lomas

siri for me on ios is shocking now it never responds smile 
i do like the OS now since 7.0.2 it seems a lot more responsive to VO users 
though battery life as to be expected terrible even with motion control off

On 3 Oct 2013, at 21:01, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"  
wrote:

> I think you're a little confused.  The 5C does not go any higher than the 32 
> gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs.  I just wanted to 
> clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Sarah k Alawami" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM
> Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
> 
> 
> I love ios7 and all its glory.  It's accessible with some quirks and some pas 
> crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access 
> issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice 
> some of the jesters  until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear 
> the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a 
> thing even in the key note in june.
> 
> Tc.
> On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Lynn,
>> Personally, I like IOS 7.
>> 
>> some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a 
>> few of them, but that's me and not the OS!
>> 
>> We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model.  IOS 7 
>> does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot 
>> with the older phones, either.  I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 
>> and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable.
>> 
>> I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can 
>> definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model.
>> 
>> Caitlyn
>> 
>> On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello everybody
>>> 
>>> Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” and 
>>> the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion here. I 
>>> just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms 
>>> of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. 
>>> Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might 
>>> say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment 
>>> as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much 
>>> of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual 
>>> perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now 
>>> interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved 
>>> upon. Of course, Apple’s errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the 
>>> streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, 
>>> they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as 
>>> secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect.
>>> 
>>> I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that 
>>> there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, 
>>> iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release 
>>> of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has 
>>> noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the 
>>> significant differences that you noticed?
>>> 
>>> I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I 
>>> seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our 
>>> iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I’m 
>>> going to upgrade there’s have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual 
>>> cameras would be nice, but not essential.
>>> 
>>> I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial 
>>> and productive discussion.
>>> 
>>> Warm regards
>>> 
>>> Lynne
>>> 
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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-03 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland

I think you're a little confused.  The 5C does not go any higher than the 32 
gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs.  I just wanted to 
clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Sarah k Alawami" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?


I love ios7 and all its glory.  It's accessible with some quirks and some 
pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access 
issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice 
some of the jesters  until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear 
the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a 
thing even in the key note in june.


Tc.
On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie  
wrote:



Hi Lynn,
Personally, I like IOS 7.

some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with 
a few of them, but that's me and not the OS!


We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model.  IOS 7 
does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot 
with the older phones, either.  I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 
and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable.


I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can 
definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model.


Caitlyn

On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" 
 wrote:



Hello everybody

Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” 
and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion 
here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, 
in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary 
topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you 
might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and 
commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven’t 
gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the 
visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications 
can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been 
improved upon. Of course, Apple’s errors which only came to light when 
iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. 
But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would 
seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably 
expect.


I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that 
there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, 
iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the 
release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model 
and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were 
the significant differences that you noticed?


I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But 
I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our 
iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I’m 
going to upgrade there’s have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual 
cameras would be nice, but not essential.


I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial 
and productive discussion.


Warm regards

Lynne


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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-03 Thread Chris H

I think you better reset your phone as I am having no issues here 
although can't test the music problem as don't have any on there.


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On 03/10/2013 17:57, Brian Fischler wrote:

I am running IOS 7.0.2 on an iPhone 4S and it is very accessible, but does have 
some annoying bugs. Half the time the two finger double tap to start and pause 
music doesn't work, and to get it to work again you have to shut the phone off, 
so this can be fairly annoying, and the other major issue which I am hoping is 
because I am still using a 4S is apps open much slower and Siri seems to take 
awhile to comprehend what you are dictating in to a text field. If you can live 
with some minor annoying issues than I would definitely upgrade.
On Oct 3, 2013, at 11:26 AM, Jane  wrote:


Hi. Yes it is very accessible from a totally blind person's perspective. There 
is one conflict you need to be aware of. At least, I find it to be a problem. 
It's hard to double-tap on a field and type in text. Now, the microphone seems 
to think I want to ictate text. This an make searching for books and putting 
them into the right colection tricky.

Jane




On Oct 3, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Zachary Kline  wrote:


I’ve been using iOS 7 for a while now, and must say that the issues are very 
minor. Over all the experience is positive, for me as a totally blind person.
Best,
Zack.
On Oct 3, 2013, at 7:03 AM, Josh Gregory  wrote:


I will agree… Of particular annoyance to me is the losing focus issue of voice 
over on iPhone 4s. Maybe this doesn't happen on other devices, but it is 
particularly noticeable here.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  wrote:

Hi Lynne,

Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you.   IOS7 is a mediocre 
release.  There are various issues but of particular note is the way they have 
broken interaction with Siri.  Lots of fairly clued-in people have commented on 
this on twitter but for me they need to really solve this one.

Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of accessibility for 
blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of switch-based access.  I’m not 
a user of these devices but word has it that they’ve done this fairly well.

Dónal

On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

I love ios7 and all its glory.  It's accessible with some quirks and some pas 
crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues 
others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the 
jesters  until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig 
model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in 
the key note in june.

Tc.

On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie  wrote:

Hi Lynn,
Personally, I like IOS 7.

some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few 
of them, but that's me and not the OS!

We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model.  IOS 7 does 
run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the 
older phones, either.  I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a 
bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable.

I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely 
buy a 5S in the 64 g model.

Caitlyn


On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith"  
wrote:

Hello everybody

Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” and the 
professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion here. I just 
wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of 
accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as 
somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to 
me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is 
concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity to 
play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is 
gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures 
which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple’s errors 
which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing 
for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them 
and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operatin

g syste
m as we can reasonably expect.


I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there 
are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and 
iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an 
iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a 
significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant 
differences that you noticed?

I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I seem 
to remem

Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-03 Thread Sarah Alawami

> On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:57, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> I am running IOS 7.0.2 on an iPhone 4S and it is very accessible, but does 
> have some annoying bugs. Half the time the two finger double tap to start and 
> pause music doesn't work, and to get it to work again you have to shut the 
> phone off, so this can be fairly annoying, 

Not for me. I can get it to work all the time. I have never in the 3 year I've 
owned a phone had that  happen. I'd try reseting yoru phone to facttory 
settings and restorying as new to see if you can reproduce the issue. If you 
cannot something in the settings of yoru back up are corrupted.

Tc.
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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-03 Thread Sarah Alawami

It's not that the keboard is more sensitave it's just more responsive. Also the 
edit field is right there, 1 line at the bottom  of the screen witht e send 
button beeing on the right hand corner.

Tc.

> On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:46, "meadowlark77"  wrote:
> 
> I have trouble when sending an iMessage because the edit field doesn't seem 
> to be just right there, like it was in IOS6. The keyboard seems to be extra 
> sensitive now.
> 
> Take care,
> 
> Brenda
> 
> mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Dónal Fitzpatrick" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 10:33 AM
> Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
> 
> 
> Edit fields in IOS7 are flakey though.  In the IOS6 (and before) days, 
> touching an edit field, whilst editing was ongoing, would only read it not 
> set the focus to wherever in the field one happened to touch.
> 
> Dónal
>> On 3 Oct 2013, at 16:30, Zachary Kline  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jane,
>> This is weird. Dictation can be started by a two-finger double-tap, which 
>> is in fact one of my favorite new little features. I’ve never ad problems 
>> with a one-finger double tap.
>> Best,
>> Zack.
>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 8:26 AM, Jane  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi. Yes it is very accessible from a totally blind person's perspective. 
>>> There is one conflict you need to be aware of. At least, I find it to be 
>>> a problem. It's hard to double-tap on a field and type in text. Now, the 
>>> microphone seems to think I want to ictate text. This an make searching 
>>> for books and putting them into the right colection tricky.
>>> 
>>> Jane
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Zachary Kline  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve been using iOS 7 for a while now, and must say that the issues are 
>>>> very minor. Over all the experience is positive, for me as a totally 
>>>> blind person.
>>>> Best,
>>>> Zack.
>>>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 7:03 AM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I will agree… Of particular annoyance to me is the losing focus issue 
>>>>> of voice over on iPhone 4s. Maybe this doesn't happen on other devices, 
>>>>> but it is particularly noticeable here.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Lynne,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you.   IOS7 is a 
>>>>>> mediocre release.  There are various issues but of particular note is 
>>>>>> the way they have broken interaction with Siri.  Lots of fairly 
>>>>>> clued-in people have commented on this on twitter but for me they need 
>>>>>> to really solve this one.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of 
>>>>>> accessibility for blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of 
>>>>>> switch-based access.  I’m not a user of these devices but word has it 
>>>>>> that they’ve done this fairly well.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dónal
>>>>>>> On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I love ios7 and all its glory.  It's accessible with some quirks and 
>>>>>>> some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as 
>>>>>>> for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just 
>>>>>>> need to practice some of the jesters  until you can do them in your 
>>>>>>> sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be 
>>>>>>> around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in 
>>>>>>> june.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Tc.
>>>>>>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie 
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi Lynn,
>>>>>>>> Personally, I like IOS 7.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle 
>>>>>>>

Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-03 Thread Sarah Alawami

Yep gthat's what I shoed in my podcast on my site where it is. I have found vo 
to be a lot more responsive and I don't need that anyway as I get motion sick 
anyway lol!

> On Oct 3, 2013, at 8:48, Chris H  wrote:
> 
> Turn on reduced motion in settings general accessibility.
> 
> E-mail Facebook and iMessage
> christopher...@gmail.com
> 
>> On 03/10/2013 15:03, Josh Gregory wrote:
>> I will agree… Of particular annoyance to me is the losing focus issue of 
>> voice over on iPhone 4s. Maybe this doesn't happen on other devices, but it 
>> is particularly noticeable here.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Lynne,
>>> 
>>> Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you.   IOS7 is a 
>>> mediocre release.  There are various issues but of particular note is the 
>>> way they have broken interaction with Siri.  Lots of fairly clued-in people 
>>> have commented on this on twitter but for me they need to really solve this 
>>> one.
>>> 
>>> Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of accessibility 
>>> for blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of switch-based access.  
>>> I’m not a user of these devices but word has it that they’ve done this 
>>> fairly well.
>>> 
>>> Dónal
 On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
 
 I love ios7 and all its glory.  It's accessible with some quirks and some 
 pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for 
 access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to 
 practice some of the jesters  until you can do them in your sleep. Where 
 did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did 
 not hear such a thing even in the key note in june.
 
 Tc.
> On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Lynn,
> Personally, I like IOS 7.
> 
> some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with 
> a few of them, but that's me and not the OS!
> 
> We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model.  IOS 
> 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a 
> lot with the older phones, either.  I am also running the new OS on my i 
> pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable.
> 
> I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can 
> definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model.
> 
> Caitlyn
> 
>> On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everybody
>> 
>> Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” 
>> and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion 
>> here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is 
>> public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a 
>> secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside 
>> looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained 
>> its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to 
>> accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play 
>> around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is 
>> gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the 
>> gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, 
>> Apple’s errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a 
>> little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did 
>> move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a 
>> mobiles
> operat
> ing system as we can reasonably expect.
>> 
>> I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that 
>> there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, 
>> iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the 
>> release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier 
>> model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, 
>> what were the significant differences that you noticed?
>> 
>> I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But 
>> I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our 
>> iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I’m 
>> going to upgrade there’s have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual 
>> cameras would be nice, but not essential.
>> 
>> I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a 
>> cordial and productive discussion.
>> 
>> Warm regards
>> 
>> Lynne
>> 
>> 
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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-03 Thread Daniela Rubio

Hi!
I am good with it, just that I dose the cursor focus when I am writing 
something and I touch the text at some point, the cursor jumps to that point 
and I start typing in the wrong place.
This was something that happened also at the beginning of iOS 6, but they fixed 
it. I hope they can do it this time as well.
For the rest, I like it very much. I love the way in which the keyboard 
responds. Ah … my only problem is Siri, It doesn't work as it should some 
times. It is slow, and some times it doesn't pick things wright when sending 
e-mails or messages.
Best

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El 03/10/2013, a las 18:46, "meadowlark77"  escribió:

> I have trouble when sending an iMessage because the edit field doesn't seem 
> to be just right there, like it was in IOS6. The keyboard seems to be extra 
> sensitive now.
> 
> Take care,
> 
> Brenda
> 
> mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Dónal Fitzpatrick" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 10:33 AM
> Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
> 
> 
> Edit fields in IOS7 are flakey though.  In the IOS6 (and before) days, 
> touching an edit field, whilst editing was ongoing, would only read it not 
> set the focus to wherever in the field one happened to touch.
> 
> Dónal
> On 3 Oct 2013, at 16:30, Zachary Kline  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Jane,
>> This is weird. Dictation can be started by a two-finger double-tap, which 
>> is in fact one of my favorite new little features. I’ve never ad problems 
>> with a one-finger double tap.
>> Best,
>> Zack.
>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 8:26 AM, Jane  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi. Yes it is very accessible from a totally blind person's perspective. 
>>> There is one conflict you need to be aware of. At least, I find it to be 
>>> a problem. It's hard to double-tap on a field and type in text. Now, the 
>>> microphone seems to think I want to ictate text. This an make searching 
>>> for books and putting them into the right colection tricky.
>>> 
>>> Jane
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Zachary Kline  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I’ve been using iOS 7 for a while now, and must say that the issues are 
>>>> very minor. Over all the experience is positive, for me as a totally 
>>>> blind person.
>>>> Best,
>>>> Zack.
>>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 7:03 AM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I will agree… Of particular annoyance to me is the losing focus issue 
>>>>> of voice over on iPhone 4s. Maybe this doesn't happen on other devices, 
>>>>> but it is particularly noticeable here.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Lynne,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you.   IOS7 is a 
>>>>>> mediocre release.  There are various issues but of particular note is 
>>>>>> the way they have broken interaction with Siri.  Lots of fairly 
>>>>>> clued-in people have commented on this on twitter but for me they need 
>>>>>> to really solve this one.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of 
>>>>>> accessibility for blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of 
>>>>>> switch-based access.  I’m not a user of these devices but word has it 
>>>>>> that they’ve done this fairly well.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dónal
>>>>>>> On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I love ios7 and all its glory.  It's accessible with some quirks and 
>>>>>>> some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as 
>>>>>>> for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just 
>>>>>>> need to practice some of the jesters  until you can do them in your 
>>>>>>> sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be 
>>>>>>> around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in 
>>>>>>> june.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Tc.
>>>>>>>> On Oct 3, 20

Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-03 Thread Brian Fischler

I am running IOS 7.0.2 on an iPhone 4S and it is very accessible, but does have 
some annoying bugs. Half the time the two finger double tap to start and pause 
music doesn't work, and to get it to work again you have to shut the phone off, 
so this can be fairly annoying, and the other major issue which I am hoping is 
because I am still using a 4S is apps open much slower and Siri seems to take 
awhile to comprehend what you are dictating in to a text field. If you can live 
with some minor annoying issues than I would definitely upgrade.
On Oct 3, 2013, at 11:26 AM, Jane  wrote:

> Hi. Yes it is very accessible from a totally blind person's perspective. 
> There is one conflict you need to be aware of. At least, I find it to be a 
> problem. It's hard to double-tap on a field and type in text. Now, the 
> microphone seems to think I want to ictate text. This an make searching for 
> books and putting them into the right colection tricky.
> 
> Jane
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 3, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Zachary Kline  wrote:
> 
>> I’ve been using iOS 7 for a while now, and must say that the issues are very 
>> minor. Over all the experience is positive, for me as a totally blind person.
>> Best,
>> Zack.
>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 7:03 AM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
>> 
>>> I will agree… Of particular annoyance to me is the losing focus issue of 
>>> voice over on iPhone 4s. Maybe this doesn't happen on other devices, but it 
>>> is particularly noticeable here.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
 wrote:
 
 Hi Lynne,
 
 Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you.   IOS7 is a 
 mediocre release.  There are various issues but of particular note is the 
 way they have broken interaction with Siri.  Lots of fairly clued-in 
 people have commented on this on twitter but for me they need to really 
 solve this one.
 
 Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of 
 accessibility for blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of 
 switch-based access.  I’m not a user of these devices but word has it that 
 they’ve done this fairly well.
 
 Dónal
> On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
> 
> I love ios7 and all its glory.  It's accessible with some quirks and some 
> pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for 
> access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to 
> practice some of the jesters  until you can do them in your sleep. Where 
> did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did 
> not hear such a thing even in the key note in june.
> 
> Tc.
>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Lynn,
>> Personally, I like IOS 7.
>> 
>> some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle 
>> with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS!
>> 
>> We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model.  IOS 
>> 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a 
>> lot with the older phones, either.  I am also running the new OS on my i 
>> pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable.
>> 
>> I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can 
>> definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model.
>> 
>> Caitlyn
>> 
>>> On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello everybody
>>> 
>>> Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” 
>>> and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion 
>>> here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is 
>>> public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a 
>>> secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside 
>>> looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained 
>>> its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to 
>>> accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play 
>>> around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is 
>>> gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the 
>>> gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, 
>>> Apple’s errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were 
>>> a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did 
>>> move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a 
>>> mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect.
>>> 
>>> I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes 
>>> that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the 
>>> iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgrade

Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-03 Thread meadowlark77

It's always in mine.

Take care,

Brenda

mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
- Original Message - 
From: "Ben J Bloomgren" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?


I don't see that problem in iMessage. Maybe it's only a sporadic problem.



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> On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:46, meadowlark77  wrote:
>
> I have trouble when sending an iMessage because the edit field doesn't 
> seem
> to be just right there, like it was in IOS6. The keyboard seems to be 
> extra
> sensitive now.
>
> Take care,
>
> Brenda
>
> mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Dónal Fitzpatrick" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 10:33 AM
> Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
>
>
> Edit fields in IOS7 are flakey though.  In the IOS6 (and before) days,
> touching an edit field, whilst editing was ongoing, would only read it not
> set the focus to wherever in the field one happened to touch.
>
> Dónal
>> On 3 Oct 2013, at 16:30, Zachary Kline  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jane,
>> This is weird. Dictation can be started by a two-finger double-tap, which
>> is in fact one of my favorite new little features. I’ve never ad problems
>> with a one-finger double tap.
>> Best,
>> Zack.
>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 8:26 AM, Jane  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi. Yes it is very accessible from a totally blind person's perspective.
>>> There is one conflict you need to be aware of. At least, I find it to be
>>> a problem. It's hard to double-tap on a field and type in text. Now, the
>>> microphone seems to think I want to ictate text. This an make searching
>>> for books and putting them into the right colection tricky.
>>>
>>> Jane
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Zachary Kline  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I’ve been using iOS 7 for a while now, and must say that the issues are
>>>> very minor. Over all the experience is positive, for me as a totally
>>>> blind person.
>>>> Best,
>>>> Zack.
>>>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 7:03 AM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I will agree… Of particular annoyance to me is the losing focus issue
>>>>> of voice over on iPhone 4s. Maybe this doesn't happen on other 
>>>>> devices,
>>>>> but it is particularly noticeable here.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Lynne,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you.   IOS7 is a
>>>>>> mediocre release.  There are various issues but of particular note is
>>>>>> the way they have broken interaction with Siri.  Lots of fairly
>>>>>> clued-in people have commented on this on twitter but for me they 
>>>>>> need
>>>>>> to really solve this one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of
>>>>>> accessibility for blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of
>>>>>> switch-based access.  I’m not a user of these devices but word has it
>>>>>> that they’ve done this fairly well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dónal
>>>>>>> On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I love ios7 and all its glory.  It's accessible with some quirks and
>>>>>>> some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But 
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just
>>>>>>> need to practice some of the jesters  until you can do them in your
>>>>>>> sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be
>>>>>>> around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in
>>>>>>> june.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tc.
>>>>>>>> On Oct

Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-03 Thread Ben J Bloomgren

I don't see that problem in iMessage. Maybe it's only a sporadic problem.



Ben J. Bloomgren

Manager
CLG Productions

Http://www.clgproductions.com

704-256-0067

Hours: Nonday through Friday from 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. Eastern accept 
holidays.

> On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:46, meadowlark77  wrote:
> 
> I have trouble when sending an iMessage because the edit field doesn't seem 
> to be just right there, like it was in IOS6. The keyboard seems to be extra 
> sensitive now.
> 
> Take care,
> 
> Brenda
> 
> mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Dónal Fitzpatrick" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 10:33 AM
> Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
> 
> 
> Edit fields in IOS7 are flakey though.  In the IOS6 (and before) days, 
> touching an edit field, whilst editing was ongoing, would only read it not 
> set the focus to wherever in the field one happened to touch.
> 
> Dónal
>> On 3 Oct 2013, at 16:30, Zachary Kline  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jane,
>> This is weird. Dictation can be started by a two-finger double-tap, which 
>> is in fact one of my favorite new little features. I’ve never ad problems 
>> with a one-finger double tap.
>> Best,
>> Zack.
>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 8:26 AM, Jane  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi. Yes it is very accessible from a totally blind person's perspective. 
>>> There is one conflict you need to be aware of. At least, I find it to be 
>>> a problem. It's hard to double-tap on a field and type in text. Now, the 
>>> microphone seems to think I want to ictate text. This an make searching 
>>> for books and putting them into the right colection tricky.
>>> 
>>> Jane
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Zachary Kline  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve been using iOS 7 for a while now, and must say that the issues are 
>>>> very minor. Over all the experience is positive, for me as a totally 
>>>> blind person.
>>>> Best,
>>>> Zack.
>>>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 7:03 AM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I will agree… Of particular annoyance to me is the losing focus issue 
>>>>> of voice over on iPhone 4s. Maybe this doesn't happen on other devices, 
>>>>> but it is particularly noticeable here.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Lynne,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you.   IOS7 is a 
>>>>>> mediocre release.  There are various issues but of particular note is 
>>>>>> the way they have broken interaction with Siri.  Lots of fairly 
>>>>>> clued-in people have commented on this on twitter but for me they need 
>>>>>> to really solve this one.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of 
>>>>>> accessibility for blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of 
>>>>>> switch-based access.  I’m not a user of these devices but word has it 
>>>>>> that they’ve done this fairly well.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dónal
>>>>>>> On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I love ios7 and all its glory.  It's accessible with some quirks and 
>>>>>>> some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as 
>>>>>>> for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just 
>>>>>>> need to practice some of the jesters  until you can do them in your 
>>>>>>> sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be 
>>>>>>> around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in 
>>>>>>> june.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Tc.
>>>>>>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie 
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi Lynn,
>>>>>>>> Personally, I like IOS 7.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle

Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-03 Thread meadowlark77

I have trouble when sending an iMessage because the edit field doesn't seem 
to be just right there, like it was in IOS6. The keyboard seems to be extra 
sensitive now.

Take care,

Brenda

mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
- Original Message - 
From: "Dónal Fitzpatrick" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?


Edit fields in IOS7 are flakey though.  In the IOS6 (and before) days, 
touching an edit field, whilst editing was ongoing, would only read it not 
set the focus to wherever in the field one happened to touch.

Dónal
On 3 Oct 2013, at 16:30, Zachary Kline  wrote:

> Hi Jane,
> This is weird. Dictation can be started by a two-finger double-tap, which 
> is in fact one of my favorite new little features. I’ve never ad problems 
> with a one-finger double tap.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Oct 3, 2013, at 8:26 AM, Jane  wrote:
>
>> Hi. Yes it is very accessible from a totally blind person's perspective. 
>> There is one conflict you need to be aware of. At least, I find it to be 
>> a problem. It's hard to double-tap on a field and type in text. Now, the 
>> microphone seems to think I want to ictate text. This an make searching 
>> for books and putting them into the right colection tricky.
>>
>> Jane
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Zachary Kline  wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve been using iOS 7 for a while now, and must say that the issues are 
>>> very minor. Over all the experience is positive, for me as a totally 
>>> blind person.
>>> Best,
>>> Zack.
>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 7:03 AM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I will agree… Of particular annoyance to me is the losing focus issue 
>>>> of voice over on iPhone 4s. Maybe this doesn't happen on other devices, 
>>>> but it is particularly noticeable here.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Lynne,
>>>>>
>>>>> Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you.   IOS7 is a 
>>>>> mediocre release.  There are various issues but of particular note is 
>>>>> the way they have broken interaction with Siri.  Lots of fairly 
>>>>> clued-in people have commented on this on twitter but for me they need 
>>>>> to really solve this one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of 
>>>>> accessibility for blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of 
>>>>> switch-based access.  I’m not a user of these devices but word has it 
>>>>> that they’ve done this fairly well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dónal
>>>>>> On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I love ios7 and all its glory.  It's accessible with some quirks and 
>>>>>> some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as 
>>>>>> for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just 
>>>>>> need to practice some of the jesters  until you can do them in your 
>>>>>> sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be 
>>>>>> around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in 
>>>>>> june.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tc.
>>>>>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie 
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Lynn,
>>>>>>> Personally, I like IOS 7.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle 
>>>>>>> with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. 
>>>>>>> IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play 
>>>>>>> around a lot with the older phones, either.  I am also running the 
>>>>>>> new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make 
>>>>>>> it unusable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can 
>>>>>>> definitely buy a 5S in

Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-03 Thread josh gregory

Did that, did pretty much nothing to solve the issue...

On 10/3/13, Chris H  wrote:
> Turn on reduced motion in settings general accessibility.
>
> E-mail Facebook and iMessage
> christopher...@gmail.com
>
> On 03/10/2013 15:03, Josh Gregory wrote:
>> I will agree… Of particular annoyance to me is the losing focus issue of
>> voice over on iPhone 4s. Maybe this doesn't happen on other devices, but
>> it is particularly noticeable here.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Lynne,
>>>
>>> Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you.   IOS7 is a
>>> mediocre release.  There are various issues but of particular note is the
>>> way they have broken interaction with Siri.  Lots of fairly clued-in
>>> people have commented on this on twitter but for me they need to really
>>> solve this one.
>>>
>>> Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of
>>> accessibility for blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of
>>> switch-based access.  I’m not a user of these devices but word has it
>>> that they’ve done this fairly well.
>>>
>>> Dónal
 On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

 I love ios7 and all its glory.  It's accessible with some quirks and
 some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as
 for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just
 need to practice some of the jesters  until you can do them in your
 sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around
 anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june.

 Tc.
> On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Lynn,
> Personally, I like IOS 7.
>
> some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle
> with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS!
>
> We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model.
> IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play
> around a lot with the older phones, either.  I am also running the new
> OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it
> unusable.
>
> I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can
> definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model.
>
> Caitlyn
>
>> On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith"
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hello everybody
>>
>> Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat
>> cats” and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user
>> opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it
>> is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a
>> secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside
>> looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained
>> its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to
>> accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play
>> around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is
>> gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the
>> gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course,
>> Apple’s errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were
>> a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they
>> did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as
>> secure a mobiles
>   operat
> ing system as we can reasonably expect.
>>
>> I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes
>> that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the
>> iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded
>> since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an
>> earlier model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality?
>> If so, what were the significant differences that you noticed?
>>
>> I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S.
>> But I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available.
>> Our iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and
>> if I’m going to upgrade there’s have to be significant reasons. Yes,
>> the dual cameras would be nice, but not essential.
>>
>> I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a
>> cordial and productive discussion.
>>
>> Warm regards
>>
>> Lynne
>>
>>
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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-03 Thread josh gregory

The airdrop functionality is due to iPhone 4s and older models lacking
the wifi chip technology to allow these transfers.

On 10/3/13, Chris H  wrote:
> Lynn, if I am correct, the only significant functionality missing on iOS
> 7 under older phones, even the 4s, is the Airdrop feature, which I'm
> sure you're familiar with on the Os X platform. For others, it allows
> certain files to be transferred from one iOS device to another, over
> bluetooth or wifi. These files can include contacts, media including
> photos, and I believe links to iTunes Radio stations for those living in
> the U.S. The other significant function, only available in the 5s, is
> the ability to unlock your phone and authorize iTunes purchases just by
> using your fingerprint. The obvious reason for this is only the iPhone
> 5s has a fingerprint sensor built into the home button.
> Hope this helps.
>
>
> E-mail Facebook and iMessage
> christopher...@gmail.com
>
> On 03/10/2013 09:00, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
>> Hello everybody
>>
>> Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats”
>> and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion
>> here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public,
>> in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary
>> topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you
>> might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and
>> commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I
>> haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet,
>> from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that
>> applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6
>> have been improved upon. Of course, Apple’s errors which only came to
>> light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I
>> would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and
>> now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating syste
>  m as we
>  can reasonably expect.
>>
>> I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that
>> there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5,
>> iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release
>> of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has
>> noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the
>> significant differences that you noticed?
>>
>> I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I
>> seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our
>> iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I’m
>> going to upgrade there’s have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual
>> cameras would be nice, but not essential.
>>
>> I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial
>> and productive discussion.
>>
>> Warm regards
>>
>> Lynne
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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-03 Thread Chris H

Lynn, if I am correct, the only significant functionality missing on iOS 
7 under older phones, even the 4s, is the Airdrop feature, which I'm 
sure you're familiar with on the Os X platform. For others, it allows 
certain files to be transferred from one iOS device to another, over 
bluetooth or wifi. These files can include contacts, media including 
photos, and I believe links to iTunes Radio stations for those living in 
the U.S. The other significant function, only available in the 5s, is 
the ability to unlock your phone and authorize iTunes purchases just by 
using your fingerprint. The obvious reason for this is only the iPhone 
5s has a fingerprint sensor built into the home button.

Hope this helps.


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On 03/10/2013 09:00, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

Hello everybody

Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” and the 
professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion here. I just 
wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of 
accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as 
somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to 
me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is 
concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity to 
play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is 
gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures 
which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple’s errors 
which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing 
for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them 
and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating syste

m as we
can reasonably expect.


I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there 
are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and 
iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an 
iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a 
significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant 
differences that you noticed?

I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I seem 
to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our iPhones are 
currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I’m going to upgrade 
there’s have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual cameras would be nice, 
but not essential.

I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial and 
productive discussion.

Warm regards

Lynne


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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-03 Thread Chris H


Turn on reduced motion in settings general accessibility.

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On 03/10/2013 15:03, Josh Gregory wrote:

I will agree… Of particular annoyance to me is the losing focus issue of voice 
over on iPhone 4s. Maybe this doesn't happen on other devices, but it is 
particularly noticeable here.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  wrote:

Hi Lynne,

Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you.   IOS7 is a mediocre 
release.  There are various issues but of particular note is the way they have 
broken interaction with Siri.  Lots of fairly clued-in people have commented on 
this on twitter but for me they need to really solve this one.

Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of accessibility for 
blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of switch-based access.  I’m not 
a user of these devices but word has it that they’ve done this fairly well.

Dónal

On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

I love ios7 and all its glory.  It's accessible with some quirks and some pas 
crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues 
others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the 
jesters  until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig 
model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in 
the key note in june.

Tc.

On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie  wrote:

Hi Lynn,
Personally, I like IOS 7.

some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few 
of them, but that's me and not the OS!

We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model.  IOS 7 does 
run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the 
older phones, either.  I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a 
bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable.

I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely 
buy a 5S in the 64 g model.

Caitlyn


On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith"  
wrote:

Hello everybody

Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” and the 
professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion here. I just 
wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of 
accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as 
somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to 
me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is 
concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity to 
play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is 
gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures 
which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple’s errors 
which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing 
for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them 
and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles

 operat
ing system as we can reasonably expect.


I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there 
are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and 
iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an 
iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a 
significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant 
differences that you noticed?

I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I seem 
to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our iPhones are 
currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I’m going to upgrade 
there’s have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual cameras would be nice, 
but not essential.

I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial and 
productive discussion.

Warm regards

Lynne


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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-03 Thread Isaac Hebert

Yes it is probably a bug in siri or it could be a issue wheir siri has
two many request to process at one time.

On 10/3/13, Chris H  wrote:
> The issues I am having with Siri I am probably not aware of since I am
> new to Siri. I however do experience tiems where one time Siri can't
> handle requests but next time it can. But I can't blame that on iOS 7.
> So will put it down to something I get used to with Siri. After all Siri
> processes information from the phone to Apple's servers then returns a
> response back if it can.
>
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>
> On 03/10/2013 14:57, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>> Hi Lynne,
>>
>> Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you.   IOS7 is a
>> mediocre release.  There are various issues but of particular note is the
>> way they have broken interaction with Siri.  Lots of fairly clued-in
>> people have commented on this on twitter but for me they need to really
>> solve this one.
>>
>> Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of
>> accessibility for blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of
>> switch-based access.  I’m not a user of these devices but word has it that
>> they’ve done this fairly well.
>>
>> Dónal
>> On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>>
>>> I love ios7 and all its glory.  It's accessible with some quirks and some
>>> pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for
>>> access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to
>>> practice some of the jesters  until you can do them in your sleep. Where
>>> did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did
>>> not hear such a thing even in the key note in june.
>>>
>>> Tc.
>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Lynn,
 Personally, I like IOS 7.

 some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle
 with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS!

 We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model.  IOS
 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a
 lot with the older phones, either.  I am also running the new OS on my i
 pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable.

 I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can
 definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model.

 Caitlyn

 On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith"
  wrote:

> Hello everybody
>
> Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats”
> and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion
> here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is
> public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a
> secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside
> looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained
> its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to
> accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play
> around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is
> gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the
> gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course,
> Apple’s errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were
> a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did
> move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a
> mobiles operating sy
>  stem as
>  we can reasonably expect.
>
> I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes
> that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the
> iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since
> the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier
> model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so,
> what were the significant differences that you noticed?
>
> I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S.
> But I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available.
> Our iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and
> if I’m going to upgrade there’s have to be significant reasons. Yes,
> the dual cameras would be nice, but not essential.
>
> I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a
> cordial and productive discussion.
>
> Warm regards
>
> Lynne
>
>
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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-03 Thread Chris H

The issues I am having with Siri I am probably not aware of since I am 
new to Siri. I however do experience tiems where one time Siri can't 
handle requests but next time it can. But I can't blame that on iOS 7. 
So will put it down to something I get used to with Siri. After all Siri 
processes information from the phone to Apple's servers then returns a 
response back if it can.


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On 03/10/2013 14:57, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:

Hi Lynne,

Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you.   IOS7 is a mediocre 
release.  There are various issues but of particular note is the way they have 
broken interaction with Siri.  Lots of fairly clued-in people have commented on 
this on twitter but for me they need to really solve this one.

Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of accessibility for 
blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of switch-based access.  I’m not 
a user of these devices but word has it that they’ve done this fairly well.

Dónal
On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:


I love ios7 and all its glory.  It's accessible with some quirks and some pas 
crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues 
others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the 
jesters  until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig 
model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in 
the key note in june.

Tc.
On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie  wrote:


Hi Lynn,
Personally, I like IOS 7.

some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few 
of them, but that's me and not the OS!

We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model.  IOS 7 does 
run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the 
older phones, either.  I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a 
bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable.

I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely 
buy a 5S in the 64 g model.

Caitlyn

On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith"  
wrote:


Hello everybody

Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” and the 
professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion here. I just 
wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of 
accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as 
somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to 
me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is 
concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity to 
play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is 
gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures 
which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple’s errors 
which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing 
for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them 
and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating sy

stem as
we can reasonably expect.


I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there 
are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and 
iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an 
iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a 
significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant 
differences that you noticed?

I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I seem 
to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our iPhones are 
currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I’m going to upgrade 
there’s have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual cameras would be nice, 
but not essential.

I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial and 
productive discussion.

Warm regards

Lynne


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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-03 Thread Chris H

Same here. While I liked iOS 7 under iPhone 4, my experience has been
tons better since I upgraded to the iPhone 4s. I love the Siri
improvements, which are actually new to me as never got the chance to
use Siri on iOS 5 and iOS 6. I also love the overall responsiveness.
Whether this is the iPhone 4s itself or iOS 7 I don't know since I only
had it a couple of days and not when the iPhoe 4s came out in 2011.

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On 03/10/2013 16:11, Zachary Kline wrote:

I’ve been using iOS 7 for a while now, and must say that the issues are very
minor. Over all the experience is positive, for me as a totally blind person.
Best,
Zack.
On Oct 3, 2013, at 7:03 AM, Josh Gregory wrote:

I will agree… Of particular annoyance to me is the losing focus issue of voice
over on iPhone 4s. Maybe this doesn't happen on other devices, but it is
particularly noticeable here.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:

Hi Lynne,

Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you. IOS7 is a mediocre
release. There are various issues but of particular note is the way they have
broken interaction with Siri. Lots of fairly clued-in people have commented on
this on twitter but for me they need to really solve this one.

Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of accessibility for
blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of switch-based access. I’m not
a user of these devices but word has it that they’ve done this fairly well.

Dónal

On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas
crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues
others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the
jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig
model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in
the key note in june.

Tc.

On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie wrote:

Hi Lynn,
Personally, I like IOS 7.

some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few
of them, but that's me and not the OS!

We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does
run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the
older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a
bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable.

I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely
buy a 5S in the 64 g model.

Caitlyn

On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith"
wrote:

Hello everybody

Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple’s errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating
system
as we can reasonably expect.

I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there
are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and
iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an
iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a
significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant
differences that you noticed?

I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I seem
to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our iPhones are
currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I’m going to upgrade
there’s have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual cameras would be nice,
but not essential.

I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial and
productive discussion.

Warm regards

Lynne

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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-03 Thread Josh Gregory

I agree, definitely another really annoying feature.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 3, 2013, at 11:33 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
> wrote:
> 
> Edit fields in IOS7 are flakey though.  In the IOS6 (and before) days, 
> touching an edit field, whilst editing was ongoing, would only read it not 
> set the focus to wherever in the field one happened to touch.  
> 
> Dónal
>> On 3 Oct 2013, at 16:30, Zachary Kline  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jane,
>> This is weird. Dictation can be started by a two-finger double-tap, which is 
>> in fact one of my favorite new little features. I’ve never ad problems with 
>> a one-finger double tap.
>> Best,
>> Zack.
>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 8:26 AM, Jane  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi. Yes it is very accessible from a totally blind person's perspective. 
>>> There is one conflict you need to be aware of. At least, I find it to be a 
>>> problem. It's hard to double-tap on a field and type in text. Now, the 
>>> microphone seems to think I want to ictate text. This an make searching for 
>>> books and putting them into the right colection tricky.
>>> 
>>> Jane
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 3, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Zachary Kline  wrote:
 
 I’ve been using iOS 7 for a while now, and must say that the issues are 
 very minor. Over all the experience is positive, for me as a totally blind 
 person.
 Best,
 Zack.
> On Oct 3, 2013, at 7:03 AM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
> 
> I will agree… Of particular annoyance to me is the losing focus issue of 
> voice over on iPhone 4s. Maybe this doesn't happen on other devices, but 
> it is particularly noticeable here.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Lynne,
>> 
>> Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you.   IOS7 is a 
>> mediocre release.  There are various issues but of particular note is 
>> the way they have broken interaction with Siri.  Lots of fairly clued-in 
>> people have commented on this on twitter but for me they need to really 
>> solve this one.
>> 
>> Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of 
>> accessibility for blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of 
>> switch-based access.  I’m not a user of these devices but word has it 
>> that they’ve done this fairly well.
>> 
>> Dónal
>>> On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I love ios7 and all its glory.  It's accessible with some quirks and 
>>> some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as 
>>> for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just 
>>> need to practice some of the jesters  until you can do them in your 
>>> sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around 
>>> anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june.
>>> 
>>> Tc.
 On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie 
  wrote:
 
 Hi Lynn,
 Personally, I like IOS 7.
 
 some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle 
 with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS!
 
 We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model.  
 IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play 
 around a lot with the older phones, either.  I am also running the new 
 OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it 
 unusable.
 
 I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can 
 definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model.
 
 Caitlyn
 
> On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello everybody
> 
> Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat 
> cats” and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user 
> opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that 
> it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality 
> as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the 
> outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has 
> maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, 
> to accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity to 
> play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 
> is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and 
> the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of 
> course, Apple’s errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the 
> streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in 
> fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would 
> seem to hav

Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-03 Thread Jane

Perhaps I got gestures confused. It's just that for some reason, when using my 
braille display to type in an edit field, it never taes the first time. I'll 
have to experiment.

Jane

On Oct 3, 2013, at 11:30 AM, Zachary Kline  wrote:

> Hi Jane,
> This is weird. Dictation can be started by a two-finger double-tap, which is 
> in fact one of my favorite new little features. I’ve never ad problems with a 
> one-finger double tap.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Oct 3, 2013, at 8:26 AM, Jane  wrote:
> 
>> Hi. Yes it is very accessible from a totally blind person's perspective. 
>> There is one conflict you need to be aware of. At least, I find it to be a 
>> problem. It's hard to double-tap on a field and type in text. Now, the 
>> microphone seems to think I want to ictate text. This an make searching for 
>> books and putting them into the right colection tricky.
>> 
>> Jane
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Zachary Kline  wrote:
>> 
>>> I’ve been using iOS 7 for a while now, and must say that the issues are 
>>> very minor. Over all the experience is positive, for me as a totally blind 
>>> person.
>>> Best,
>>> Zack.
>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 7:03 AM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
>>> 
 I will agree… Of particular annoyance to me is the losing focus issue of 
 voice over on iPhone 4s. Maybe this doesn't happen on other devices, but 
 it is particularly noticeable here.

 Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Lynne,
> 
> Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you.   IOS7 is a 
> mediocre release.  There are various issues but of particular note is the 
> way they have broken interaction with Siri.  Lots of fairly clued-in 
> people have commented on this on twitter but for me they need to really 
> solve this one.
> 
> Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of 
> accessibility for blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of 
> switch-based access.  I’m not a user of these devices but word has it 
> that they’ve done this fairly well.
> 
> Dónal
>> On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>> 
>> I love ios7 and all its glory.  It's accessible with some quirks and 
>> some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as 
>> for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just 
>> need to practice some of the jesters  until you can do them in your 
>> sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around 
>> anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june.
>> 
>> Tc.
>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Lynn,
>>> Personally, I like IOS 7.
>>> 
>>> some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle 
>>> with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS!
>>> 
>>> We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model.  
>>> IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play 
>>> around a lot with the older phones, either.  I am also running the new 
>>> OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it 
>>> unusable.
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can 
>>> definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model.
>>> 
>>> Caitlyn
>>> 
 On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" 
  wrote:

 Hello everybody

 Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat 
 cats” and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user 
 opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it 
 is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a 
 secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside 
 looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained 
 its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to 
 accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play 
 around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is 
 gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the 
 gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, 
 Apple’s errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were 
 a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they 
 did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as 
 secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect.

 I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes 
 that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the 
 iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybo

Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-03 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick

Edit fields in IOS7 are flakey though.  In the IOS6 (and before) days, touching 
an edit field, whilst editing was ongoing, would only read it not set the focus 
to wherever in the field one happened to touch.  

Dónal
On 3 Oct 2013, at 16:30, Zachary Kline  wrote:

> Hi Jane,
> This is weird. Dictation can be started by a two-finger double-tap, which is 
> in fact one of my favorite new little features. I’ve never ad problems with a 
> one-finger double tap.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Oct 3, 2013, at 8:26 AM, Jane  wrote:
> 
>> Hi. Yes it is very accessible from a totally blind person's perspective. 
>> There is one conflict you need to be aware of. At least, I find it to be a 
>> problem. It's hard to double-tap on a field and type in text. Now, the 
>> microphone seems to think I want to ictate text. This an make searching for 
>> books and putting them into the right colection tricky.
>> 
>> Jane
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Zachary Kline  wrote:
>> 
>>> I’ve been using iOS 7 for a while now, and must say that the issues are 
>>> very minor. Over all the experience is positive, for me as a totally blind 
>>> person.
>>> Best,
>>> Zack.
>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 7:03 AM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
>>> 
 I will agree… Of particular annoyance to me is the losing focus issue of 
 voice over on iPhone 4s. Maybe this doesn't happen on other devices, but 
 it is particularly noticeable here.

 Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Lynne,
> 
> Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you.   IOS7 is a 
> mediocre release.  There are various issues but of particular note is the 
> way they have broken interaction with Siri.  Lots of fairly clued-in 
> people have commented on this on twitter but for me they need to really 
> solve this one.
> 
> Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of 
> accessibility for blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of 
> switch-based access.  I’m not a user of these devices but word has it 
> that they’ve done this fairly well.
> 
> Dónal
>> On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>> 
>> I love ios7 and all its glory.  It's accessible with some quirks and 
>> some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as 
>> for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just 
>> need to practice some of the jesters  until you can do them in your 
>> sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around 
>> anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june.
>> 
>> Tc.
>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Lynn,
>>> Personally, I like IOS 7.
>>> 
>>> some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle 
>>> with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS!
>>> 
>>> We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model.  
>>> IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play 
>>> around a lot with the older phones, either.  I am also running the new 
>>> OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it 
>>> unusable.
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can 
>>> definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model.
>>> 
>>> Caitlyn
>>> 
 On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" 
  wrote:

 Hello everybody

 Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat 
 cats” and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user 
 opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it 
 is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a 
 secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside 
 looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained 
 its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to 
 accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play 
 around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is 
 gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the 
 gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, 
 Apple’s errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were 
 a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they 
 did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as 
 secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect.

 I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes 
 that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the 
 iPhone5, iPhone5C a

Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-03 Thread Zachary Kline

Hi Jane,
This is weird. Dictation can be started by a two-finger double-tap, which is in 
fact one of my favorite new little features. I’ve never ad problems with a 
one-finger double tap.
Best,
Zack.
On Oct 3, 2013, at 8:26 AM, Jane  wrote:

> Hi. Yes it is very accessible from a totally blind person's perspective. 
> There is one conflict you need to be aware of. At least, I find it to be a 
> problem. It's hard to double-tap on a field and type in text. Now, the 
> microphone seems to think I want to ictate text. This an make searching for 
> books and putting them into the right colection tricky.
> 
> Jane
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 3, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Zachary Kline  wrote:
> 
>> I’ve been using iOS 7 for a while now, and must say that the issues are very 
>> minor. Over all the experience is positive, for me as a totally blind person.
>> Best,
>> Zack.
>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 7:03 AM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
>> 
>>> I will agree… Of particular annoyance to me is the losing focus issue of 
>>> voice over on iPhone 4s. Maybe this doesn't happen on other devices, but it 
>>> is particularly noticeable here.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
 wrote:
 
 Hi Lynne,
 
 Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you.   IOS7 is a 
 mediocre release.  There are various issues but of particular note is the 
 way they have broken interaction with Siri.  Lots of fairly clued-in 
 people have commented on this on twitter but for me they need to really 
 solve this one.
 
 Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of 
 accessibility for blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of 
 switch-based access.  I’m not a user of these devices but word has it that 
 they’ve done this fairly well.
 
 Dónal
> On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
> 
> I love ios7 and all its glory.  It's accessible with some quirks and some 
> pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for 
> access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to 
> practice some of the jesters  until you can do them in your sleep. Where 
> did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did 
> not hear such a thing even in the key note in june.
> 
> Tc.
>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Lynn,
>> Personally, I like IOS 7.
>> 
>> some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle 
>> with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS!
>> 
>> We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model.  IOS 
>> 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a 
>> lot with the older phones, either.  I am also running the new OS on my i 
>> pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable.
>> 
>> I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can 
>> definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model.
>> 
>> Caitlyn
>> 
>>> On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello everybody
>>> 
>>> Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” 
>>> and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion 
>>> here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is 
>>> public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a 
>>> secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside 
>>> looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained 
>>> its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to 
>>> accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play 
>>> around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is 
>>> gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the 
>>> gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, 
>>> Apple’s errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were 
>>> a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did 
>>> move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a 
>>> mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect.
>>> 
>>> I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes 
>>> that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the 
>>> iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since 
>>> the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier 
>>> model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, 
>>> what were the significant differences that you noticed?
>>> 
>>> I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. 
>>> But I seem to remem

Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-03 Thread Jane

Hi. Yes it is very accessible from a totally blind person's perspective. There 
is one conflict you need to be aware of. At least, I find it to be a problem. 
It's hard to double-tap on a field and type in text. Now, the microphone seems 
to think I want to ictate text. This an make searching for books and putting 
them into the right colection tricky.

Jane




On Oct 3, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Zachary Kline  wrote:

> I’ve been using iOS 7 for a while now, and must say that the issues are very 
> minor. Over all the experience is positive, for me as a totally blind person.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Oct 3, 2013, at 7:03 AM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
> 
>> I will agree… Of particular annoyance to me is the losing focus issue of 
>> voice over on iPhone 4s. Maybe this doesn't happen on other devices, but it 
>> is particularly noticeable here.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Lynne,
>>> 
>>> Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you.   IOS7 is a 
>>> mediocre release.  There are various issues but of particular note is the 
>>> way they have broken interaction with Siri.  Lots of fairly clued-in people 
>>> have commented on this on twitter but for me they need to really solve this 
>>> one.
>>> 
>>> Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of accessibility 
>>> for blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of switch-based access.  
>>> I’m not a user of these devices but word has it that they’ve done this 
>>> fairly well.
>>> 
>>> Dónal
 On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
 
 I love ios7 and all its glory.  It's accessible with some quirks and some 
 pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for 
 access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to 
 practice some of the jesters  until you can do them in your sleep. Where 
 did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did 
 not hear such a thing even in the key note in june.
 
 Tc.
> On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Lynn,
> Personally, I like IOS 7.
> 
> some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with 
> a few of them, but that's me and not the OS!
> 
> We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model.  IOS 
> 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a 
> lot with the older phones, either.  I am also running the new OS on my i 
> pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable.
> 
> I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can 
> definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model.
> 
> Caitlyn
> 
>> On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everybody
>> 
>> Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” 
>> and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion 
>> here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is 
>> public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a 
>> secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside 
>> looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained 
>> its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to 
>> accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play 
>> around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is 
>> gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the 
>> gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, 
>> Apple’s errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a 
>> little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did 
>> move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a 
>> mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect.
>> 
>> I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that 
>> there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, 
>> iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the 
>> release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier 
>> model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, 
>> what were the significant differences that you noticed?
>> 
>> I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But 
>> I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our 
>> iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I’m 
>> going to upgrade there’s have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual 
>> cameras would be nice, but not essential.
>> 
>> I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a 
>> co

Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-03 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick

Agreed Josh and I have the same device.  I also don’t like the VO behaviour in 
the lock-screen.
On 3 Oct 2013, at 15:03, Josh Gregory  wrote:

> I will agree… Of particular annoyance to me is the losing focus issue of 
> voice over on iPhone 4s. Maybe this doesn't happen on other devices, but it 
> is particularly noticeable here.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Lynne,
>> 
>> Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you.   IOS7 is a 
>> mediocre release.  There are various issues but of particular note is the 
>> way they have broken interaction with Siri.  Lots of fairly clued-in people 
>> have commented on this on twitter but for me they need to really solve this 
>> one.
>> 
>> Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of accessibility 
>> for blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of switch-based access.  
>> I’m not a user of these devices but word has it that they’ve done this 
>> fairly well.
>> 
>> Dónal
>>> On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I love ios7 and all its glory.  It's accessible with some quirks and some 
>>> pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access 
>>> issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice 
>>> some of the jesters  until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you 
>>> hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear 
>>> such a thing even in the key note in june.
>>> 
>>> Tc.
 On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie  
 wrote:
 
 Hi Lynn,
 Personally, I like IOS 7.
 
 some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with 
 a few of them, but that's me and not the OS!
 
 We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model.  IOS 7 
 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot 
 with the older phones, either.  I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 
 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable.
 
 I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can 
 definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model.
 
 Caitlyn
 
> On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello everybody
> 
> Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” 
> and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion 
> here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, 
> in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary 
> topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you 
> might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and 
> commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I 
> haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, 
> from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that 
> applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 
> have been improved upon. Of course, Apple’s errors which only came to 
> light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I 
> would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and 
> now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can 
> reasonably expect.
> 
> I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that 
> there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, 
> iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the 
> release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model 
> and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were 
> the significant differences that you noticed?
> 
> I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But 
> I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our 
> iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I’m 
> going to upgrade there’s have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual 
> cameras would be nice, but not essential.
> 
> I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial 
> and productive discussion.
> 
> Warm regards
> 
> Lynne
> 
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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-03 Thread Zachary Kline

I’ve been using iOS 7 for a while now, and must say that the issues are very 
minor. Over all the experience is positive, for me as a totally blind person.
Best,
Zack.
On Oct 3, 2013, at 7:03 AM, Josh Gregory  wrote:

> I will agree… Of particular annoyance to me is the losing focus issue of 
> voice over on iPhone 4s. Maybe this doesn't happen on other devices, but it 
> is particularly noticeable here.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Lynne,
>> 
>> Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you.   IOS7 is a 
>> mediocre release.  There are various issues but of particular note is the 
>> way they have broken interaction with Siri.  Lots of fairly clued-in people 
>> have commented on this on twitter but for me they need to really solve this 
>> one.
>> 
>> Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of accessibility 
>> for blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of switch-based access.  
>> I’m not a user of these devices but word has it that they’ve done this 
>> fairly well.
>> 
>> Dónal
>>> On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I love ios7 and all its glory.  It's accessible with some quirks and some 
>>> pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access 
>>> issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice 
>>> some of the jesters  until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you 
>>> hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear 
>>> such a thing even in the key note in june.
>>> 
>>> Tc.
 On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie  
 wrote:
 
 Hi Lynn,
 Personally, I like IOS 7.
 
 some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with 
 a few of them, but that's me and not the OS!
 
 We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model.  IOS 7 
 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot 
 with the older phones, either.  I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 
 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable.
 
 I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can 
 definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model.
 
 Caitlyn
 
> On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello everybody
> 
> Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” 
> and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion 
> here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, 
> in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary 
> topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you 
> might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and 
> commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I 
> haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, 
> from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that 
> applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 
> have been improved upon. Of course, Apple’s errors which only came to 
> light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I 
> would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and 
> now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can 
> reasonably expect.
> 
> I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that 
> there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, 
> iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the 
> release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model 
> and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were 
> the significant differences that you noticed?
> 
> I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But 
> I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our 
> iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I’m 
> going to upgrade there’s have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual 
> cameras would be nice, but not essential.
> 
> I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial 
> and productive discussion.
> 
> Warm regards
> 
> Lynne
> 
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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-03 Thread Josh Gregory

I will agree… Of particular annoyance to me is the losing focus issue of voice 
over on iPhone 4s. Maybe this doesn't happen on other devices, but it is 
particularly noticeable here.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Lynne,
> 
> Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you.   IOS7 is a 
> mediocre release.  There are various issues but of particular note is the way 
> they have broken interaction with Siri.  Lots of fairly clued-in people have 
> commented on this on twitter but for me they need to really solve this one.
> 
> Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of accessibility 
> for blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of switch-based access.  
> I’m not a user of these devices but word has it that they’ve done this fairly 
> well.
> 
> Dónal
>> On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>> 
>> I love ios7 and all its glory.  It's accessible with some quirks and some 
>> pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access 
>> issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice 
>> some of the jesters  until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear 
>> the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a 
>> thing even in the key note in june.
>> 
>> Tc.
>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Lynn,
>>> Personally, I like IOS 7.
>>> 
>>> some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a 
>>> few of them, but that's me and not the OS!
>>> 
>>> We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model.  IOS 7 
>>> does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot 
>>> with the older phones, either.  I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 
>>> and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable.
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can 
>>> definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model.
>>> 
>>> Caitlyn
>>> 
 On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" 
  wrote:

 Hello everybody

 Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” 
 and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion 
 here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, 
 in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary 
 topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you 
 might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and 
 commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I 
 haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, 
 from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that 
 applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 
 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple’s errors which only came to 
 light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I 
 would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and 
 now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can 
 reasonably expect.

 I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that 
 there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, 
 iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release 
 of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has 
 noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the 
 significant differences that you noticed?

 I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I 
 seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our 
 iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I’m 
 going to upgrade there’s have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual 
 cameras would be nice, but not essential.

 I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial 
 and productive discussion.

 Warm regards

 Lynne

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RE: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-03 Thread Tommy Craig

Hi, 

Well you were miss informed about there not being a 64gb version of the 5S I
have one. I was one of the crazy ones who stood in line on the 20th in the
rain to get one. It is a great phone and I love it. It is much more
responsive than the 4S. As far as size and shape it is virtually the same as
the Iphone 5. Much lighter and thinner than my 4S was. I also got one of the
new leather cases from Apple and it is great. Very thin and light. Very nice
feel in your hand. 

As far as ios 7 goes I like it overall. There are a couple of minner issues
such as the screen refreshing from time to time and VoiceOver is refreshed
and so you loose you place in the app your in. Also when you close an app
you don't always end up with the app highlighted on the screen. You end up
with the first then on that page highlighted. 

One of the really nice things is the change to the app switcher. Instead of
doing the double click and hold to close apps, you now just swipe down and
you have choices to open or close that app. One of the hardest thing for me
to teach new users was the double tap and hold gesture. 

Overall I like it a lot. I think a lot of low vission users don't like the
color scheme of IOS 7. There are a number of things that you can do to make
things easier to read though. 

Tommy


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Hello everybody

Firstly, let me just say that I'm not interested in what the "fat cats" and
the professional analysts say; I'm looking for genuine user opinion here. I
just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms
of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking
as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it
seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far
as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven't gave much of an
opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective
iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and
the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course,
Apple's errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a
little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move
swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles
operating system as we can reasonably expect.

I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that
there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5,
iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release
of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has
noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the
significant differences that you noticed?

I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I
seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our iPhones
are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I'm going to
upgrade there's have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual cameras would
be nice, but not essential.

I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial
and productive discussion.

Warm regards

Lynne


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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-03 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick

Hi Lynne,

Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you.   IOS7 is a mediocre 
release.  There are various issues but of particular note is the way they have 
broken interaction with Siri.  Lots of fairly clued-in people have commented on 
this on twitter but for me they need to really solve this one.

Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of accessibility for 
blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of switch-based access.  I’m not 
a user of these devices but word has it that they’ve done this fairly well.

Dónal
On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

> I love ios7 and all its glory.  It's accessible with some quirks and some pas 
> crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access 
> issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice 
> some of the jesters  until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear 
> the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a 
> thing even in the key note in june.
> 
> Tc.
> On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Lynn,
>> Personally, I like IOS 7.
>> 
>> some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a 
>> few of them, but that's me and not the OS!
>> 
>> We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model.  IOS 7 
>> does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot 
>> with the older phones, either.  I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 
>> and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable.
>> 
>> I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can 
>> definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model.
>> 
>> Caitlyn
>> 
>> On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello everybody
>>> 
>>> Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” and 
>>> the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion here. I 
>>> just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms 
>>> of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. 
>>> Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might 
>>> say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment 
>>> as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much 
>>> of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual 
>>> perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now 
>>> interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved 
>>> upon. Of course, Apple’s errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the 
>>> streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, 
>>> they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as 
>>> secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect.
>>> 
>>> I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that 
>>> there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, 
>>> iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release 
>>> of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has 
>>> noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the 
>>> significant differences that you noticed?
>>> 
>>> I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I 
>>> seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our 
>>> iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I’m 
>>> going to upgrade there’s have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual 
>>> cameras would be nice, but not essential.
>>> 
>>> I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial 
>>> and productive discussion.
>>> 
>>> Warm regards
>>> 
>>> Lynne
>>> 
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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-03 Thread Sarah k Alawami

I love ios7 and all its glory.  It's accessible with some quirks and some pas 
crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues 
others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the 
jesters  until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig 
model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in 
the key note in june.

Tc.
On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie  wrote:

> Hi Lynn,
> Personally, I like IOS 7.
> 
> some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a 
> few of them, but that's me and not the OS!
> 
> We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model.  IOS 7 
> does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with 
> the older phones, either.  I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and 
> it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable.
> 
> I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can 
> definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model.
> 
> Caitlyn
> 
> On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Hello everybody
>> 
>> Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” and 
>> the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion here. I 
>> just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms 
>> of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking 
>> as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it 
>> seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far 
>> as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an 
>> opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective 
>> iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and 
>> the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, 
>> Apple’s errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a 
>> little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move 
>> swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles 
>> operating system as we can reasonably expect.
>> 
>> I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that 
>> there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, 
>> iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release 
>> of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has 
>> noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the 
>> significant differences that you noticed?
>> 
>> I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I 
>> seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our iPhones 
>> are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I’m going to 
>> upgrade there’s have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual cameras would 
>> be nice, but not essential.
>> 
>> I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial 
>> and productive discussion.
>> 
>> Warm regards
>> 
>> Lynne
>> 
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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-03 Thread Cait and Maggie

Hi Lynn,
Personally, I like IOS 7.

some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few 
of them, but that's me and not the OS!

We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model.  IOS 7 does 
run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the 
older phones, either.  I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a 
bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable.

I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely 
buy a 5S in the 64 g model.

Caitlyn

On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith"  
wrote:

> Hello everybody
> 
> Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” and 
> the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion here. I 
> just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of 
> accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as 
> somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to 
> me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is 
> concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity 
> to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is 
> gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures 
> which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple’s errors 
> which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing 
> for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address 
> them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as 
> we can reasonably expect.
> 
> I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that 
> there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, 
> iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of 
> iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has 
> noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the 
> significant differences that you noticed?
> 
> I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I 
> seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our iPhones 
> are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I’m going to 
> upgrade there’s have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual cameras would 
> be nice, but not essential.
> 
> I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial and 
> productive discussion.
> 
> Warm regards
> 
> Lynne
> 
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What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

2013-10-03 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith

Hello everybody

Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” and the 
professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion here. I just 
wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of 
accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as 
somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to 
me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is 
concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity to 
play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is 
gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures 
which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple’s errors 
which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing 
for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them 
and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can 
reasonably expect.

I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there 
are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and 
iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an 
iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a 
significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant 
differences that you noticed?

I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I seem 
to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our iPhones are 
currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I’m going to upgrade 
there’s have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual cameras would be nice, 
but not essential.

I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial and 
productive discussion.

Warm regards

Lynne


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