Re: Getting a command to move to the time machine backup of working dir

[@lbutlr]

On Sep 25, 2017, at 10:22 AM, Michael  wrote:
> pushd "$(tmutil latestbackup)"/"$(pwd -P)"

pushd "$(tmutil latestbackup)"/"$(pwd -P)" is better because there is no double 
slash in the path.

But that still doesn't solve the root name of the machine.

The machine name is in /Volumes/ as a link (everything else there is a folder).

ls -d `find /Volumes/ -maxdepth 1 -type l -print` | sed 's/\/Volumes\///'

This seems to work:

pushd "$(tmutil latestbackup)$(ls -d `find /Volumes/ -maxdepth 1 -type l 
-print` | sed 's/\/Volumes\///')$(pwd -P)"

$ pushd "$(tmutil latestbackup)$(ls -d `find /Volumes/ -maxdepth 1 -type l 
-print` | sed 's/\/Volumes\///')$(pwd -P)"
/Volumes/Tardis/Backups.backupdb/jaka/2017-09-26-075907/Jaka/Applications 
/Applications ~
jaka:Applications lbutlr$ pwd
/Volumes/Tardis/Backups.backupdb/jaka/2017-09-26-075907/Jaka/Applications

But there is probably a better way

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Re: Getting a command to move to the time machine backup of working dir

[@lbutlr]

On Sep 26, 2017, at 8:44 AM, @lbutlr  wrote:
> pushd "$(tmutil latestbackup)$(ls -d `find /Volumes/ -maxdepth 1 -type l 
> -print` | sed 's/\/Volumes\///')$(pwd -P)"

AFAIC, this works and is shorter, but I don't use pushd myself:

pushd "$(tmutil latestbackup)$(ls -d `find /Volumes/ -maxdepth 1 -type l` | sed 
's/\/Volumes\///')"

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Re: Getting time machine to backup a drive image

[Arno Hautala]

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 11:52 AM, Michael  wrote:
>
> I'm not going to a sparse image (which worked fine to start, but became 
> horribly slow), I'm talking about taking something that is currently an 
> image, and turning it into a normal directory in the time machine (right now 
> it is only backed up as a disk image, not as the contents).

I can see how to exclude volumes, but no way to explicitly include a volume.

Looks like this isn't supported.

https://superuser.com/questions/148849/backup-mounted-drive-of-an-image-in-time-machine

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Re: Getting time machine to backup a drive image

[Michael]

On 2017-09-26, at 9:07 AM, Arno Hautala  wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 11:52 AM, Michael  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm not going to a sparse image (which worked fine to start, but became 
>> horribly slow), I'm talking about taking something that is currently an 
>> image, and turning it into a normal directory in the time machine (right now 
>> it is only backed up as a disk image, not as the contents).
> 
> I can see how to exclude volumes, but no way to explicitly include a volume.
> 
> Looks like this isn't supported.
> 
> https://superuser.com/questions/148849/backup-mounted-drive-of-an-image-in-time-machine

Aha! Searching (ok, reading article after article), I found this:
https://superuser.com/questions/285225/how-to-make-timemachine-back-up-contents-of-any-path-or-mounted-volume?noredirect=1&lq=1

The trick: That sparsebundle mounted looks like a removable disk, like a 
floppy/cd/USB stick. So, you have to make it look like a fixed hard drive.

Applescript:
do shell script "hdiutil attach /path/to/your.sparsebundle -notremovable" with 
administrator privileges

Make that an automator script and put it in your startup items, or put the bash 
equivalent into rc.local, etc -- either way, it becomes time machine-able.

Now, the big caveat. If it's missing in one backup, and present the next 
backup, time machine might decide to back up the entire drive from scratch.

... Ahh, FOO. The comments there says it was tested and working in 10.7 and 
10.8, but I can now confirm it fails to work in 10.9.

Gaaa 

grumble grumble grumble
The point of putting this file system in a sparse bundle was to make sure that 
the next time it dies / needs to be recovered from an online backup (backblaze) 
was to ensure that file meta-data is saved properly. At the same time, I want 
to have a local history backup so that I don't have to worry about downloading 
if I don't have to. (2/3rd of the disk is for time machine, and 1/3rd is for 
this stuff).

Last restore, I found that backblaze does not save the executable bit for any 
data file -- broke shell scripts, etc. With a sparse bundle to fix that, the 
next question is keeping local backups meaningful.

... I guess the only answer is to toss the sparsebundle/bands into time machine 
and mount/search all the images when I need to try to find something.

Hmm. Diskutil info reports that it is backed by a sparse bundle. So the system 
does track that, and time machine could see that. What I need is a block device 
loopback device, and a way to feed that sparse bundle to that block loopback, 
so it would look like it was on a block device instead of an image file.

Any idea how to do that?


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Re: Getting time machine to backup a drive image

[Arno Hautala]

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 2:00 PM, Michael  wrote:
>
> Hmm. Diskutil info reports that it is backed by a sparse bundle. So the 
> system does track that, and time machine could see that. What I need is a 
> block device loopback device, and a way to feed that sparse bundle to that 
> block loopback, so it would look like it was on a block device instead of an 
> image file.
>
> Any idea how to do that?

lolwut!? But seriously, no idea. You could probably do something like
that by implementing your own FUSE plugin, but I'd be surprised if
anything like that exists. Sparsebundles are already mountable and I
doubt many people are going to take the time to re-implement it. This
is about the time that some pops in with a link to exactly such a
working project.

> The point of putting this file system in a sparse bundle was to make sure 
> that the next time it dies / needs to be recovered from an online backup 
> (backblaze) was to ensure that file meta-data is saved properly. At the same 
> time, I want to have a local history backup so that I don't have to worry 
> about downloading if I don't have to. (2/3rd of the disk is for time machine, 
> and 1/3rd is for this stuff).

So, my reading is that you're backing up to a sparsebundle because
that that will preserve the metadata you care about. I think I'd look
instead at to another backup tool.

In the wake of Crashplan shutting down their unlimited, multi-user
plan, I've been evaluating Duplicacy backing up to B2. Duplicacy does
handle some metadata, but it's not a perfect score in BackupBouncer.
Duplicacy does handle multiple backup destinations (ie. local and
cloud). Have you considered other tools? Arq is probably a good option
for you here.

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Ugh -- Mail in 10.12.6 -- Show stopper

[Michael_google gmail_Gersten]

I am looking at possibly upgrading from 10.9.5. to 10.12.6. I’m testing 10.12.6 
off a secondary partition right now.

I’m looking at a disaster of a show stopper. Mail.

In the past, Mail was well behaved. You had your main window, you opened 
windows for the mail messages.

Now? It’s like sheets have a new UI design, where they can pop up from the 
bottom of the window, go into a “fake icon state” at the bottom line, block the 
main window, etc.

As far as I can tell, if I have a message window open, it acts as a modal block 
preventing me from doing anything in the main window, and I cannot have two of 
these windows open. I cannot move a message window around, or have two of them 
open at once.

Is there a way around this? I spend too much time in mail for this bleep.


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Re: Getting time machine to backup a drive image

[Michael_google gmail_Gersten]

So as much as people say “Time Machine won’t do this because the bundle might 
not be mounted next time, and then it has to back up the whole thing again”: 
Time Machine is happy to back up my USB sticks without any issues. Whether they 
are there or not on a given backup.

> On Sep 26, 2017, at 12:52 PM, Arno Hautala  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 2:00 PM, Michael  wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm. Diskutil info reports that it is backed by a sparse bundle. So the 
>> system does track that, and time machine could see that. What I need is a 
>> block device loopback device, and a way to feed that sparse bundle to that 
>> block loopback, so it would look like it was on a block device instead of an 
>> image file.
>> 
>> Any idea how to do that?
> 
> lolwut!? But seriously, no idea. You could probably do something like
> that by implementing your own FUSE plugin, but I'd be surprised if
> anything like that exists. Sparsebundles are already mountable and I
> doubt many people are going to take the time to re-implement it. This
> is about the time that some pops in with a link to exactly such a
> working project.

I’m looking for a block device loopback. Give it a mountable disk image, it 
behaves like you’re reading a real block device, without the system seeing that 
there’s a file image behind it. Can’t be that hard. If I knew Fuse, I could 
probably write it -- it sounds like a "hello world" level of program for it. 

>> The point of putting this file system in a sparse bundle was to make sure 
>> that the next time it dies / needs to be recovered from an online backup 
>> (backblaze) was to ensure that file meta-data is saved properly. At the same 
>> time, I want to have a local history backup so that I don't have to worry 
>> about downloading if I don't have to. (2/3rd of the disk is for time 
>> machine, and 1/3rd is for this stuff).
> 
> So, my reading is that you're backing up to a sparsebundle because
> that that will preserve the metadata you care about. I think I'd look
> instead at to another backup tool.

Backblaze has the best online backup available.

And nothing beats the whole "In the event of a whole drive failure, we'll ship 
you a drive that you can restore from".

I was previously putting my time machine onto a sparse bundle, and that was 
being backed up, so that if my drive died, I could restore from that. Sadly, 
the backup performance of the sparse bundle went downhill so badly that I had 
to abandon that. How does the whole "network time machine into a sparse bundle" 
system manage to work, or is it always going to be slow? Or is it just hidden 
by the network speed?

(And in fairness, it would not have helped. The drive that died? This stuff had 
grown too big to fit on the time machine with the backup of the internal. New 
drive has 2 extra TB, so I figure I'm at least a year before that happens again 
:-).


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Re: Getting a command to move to the time machine backup of working dir

[Michael]

On 2017-09-26, at 7:50 AM, @lbutlr  wrote:

> On Sep 26, 2017, at 8:44 AM, @lbutlr  wrote:
>> pushd "$(tmutil latestbackup)$(ls -d `find /Volumes/ -maxdepth 1 -type l 
>> -print` | sed 's/\/Volumes\///')$(pwd -P)"
> 
> AFAIC, this works and is shorter, but I don't use pushd myself:
> 
> pushd "$(tmutil latestbackup)$(ls -d `find /Volumes/ -maxdepth 1 -type l` | 
> sed 's/\/Volumes\///')"

Lacking the current directory at the end, it can't work.

The longer one?
keybounceMBP:Library michael$ pushd "$(tmutil latestbackup)$(ls -d `find 
/Volumes/ -maxdepth 1 -ty
pe l -print` | sed 's/\/Volumes\///')$(pwd -P)"
ls: cannot access '/Volumes//New': No such file or directory
ls: cannot access 'Main': No such file or directory
-bash: pushd: /Volumes/TimeMachine/Backups.backupdb/Keybounces MacBook 
Pro/2017-09-26-184525/Users/michael/Library: No such file or directory

... Yea, my root volume has a space in the name "New Main".

So how badly  can I nest "$( ?

keybounceMBP:Library michael$ pushd "$(tmutil latestbackup)""$(ls -d "$(find 
/Volumes/ -maxdepth 1
 -type l -print) | sed 's/\/Volumes\///')""$(pwd -P)"
> 

Missed one, try again

keybounceMBP:Library michael$ pushd "$(tmutil latestbackup)""$(ls -d "$(find 
/Volumes/ -maxdepth 1
 -type l -print) | sed 's/\/Volumes\///')")""$(pwd -P)"
ls: cannot access '/Volumes//New Main | sed '\''s/\/Volumes\///'\'')': No such 
file or directory
-bash: pushd: /Volumes/TimeMachine/Backups.backupdb/Keybounces MacBook 
Pro/2017-09-26-184525/Users/michael/Library: No such file or directory
keybounceMBP:Library michael$ 

Argh.

Anyone? The nesting needed to deal with filenames containing space in a shell 
designed around "spaces break tokens, no files will ever have a space in their 
name" has gotten beyond me here.

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Re: Ugh -- Mail in 10.12.6 -- Show stopper

[Charles Dyer]

On 2017 Sep 26, at 22:57 , Michael_google gmail_Gersten  
wrote:
> 
> I am looking at possibly upgrading from 10.9.5. to 10.12.6. I’m testing 
> 10.12.6 off a secondary partition right now.
> 
> I’m looking at a disaster of a show stopper. Mail.
> 
> In the past, Mail was well behaved. You had your main window, you opened 
> windows for the mail messages.

still does

> 
> Now? It’s like sheets have a new UI design, where they can pop up from the 
> bottom of the window, go into a “fake icon state” at the bottom line, block 
> the main window, etc.

never seen that

> 
> As far as I can tell, if I have a message window open, it acts as a modal 
> block preventing me from doing anything in the main window,

nope.

> and I cannot have two of these windows open.

I’ve got three open right now, counting the window for the reply I’m typing up.

> I cannot move a message window around,

I can. Easily

> or have two of them open at once.

again, I have three open right now.

> 
> Is there a way around this?

there must be.

> I spend too much time in mail for this bleep.

I suspect that you have an unusual setting somewhere. Can’t think what it might 
be. Have a look in your Mail/Preferences dialog.

> 
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Re: Ugh -- Mail in 10.12.6 -- Show stopper

[Macs R We]

None of this sounds remotely familiar.

Mail / Preferences / Viewing has a checkbox for "Use classic layout."  Maybe 
that will solve your problem.  Mind you, what you are describing is NOT the 
recognized behavior of the "new" layout, but perhaps changing layouts will 
circumvent whatever it is that is causing your problem.

> On Sep 26, 2017, at 7:57 PM, Michael_google gmail_Gersten 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am looking at possibly upgrading from 10.9.5. to 10.12.6. I’m testing 
> 10.12.6 off a secondary partition right now.
> 
> I’m looking at a disaster of a show stopper. Mail.
> 
> In the past, Mail was well behaved. You had your main window, you opened 
> windows for the mail messages.
> 
> Now? It’s like sheets have a new UI design, where they can pop up from the 
> bottom of the window, go into a “fake icon state” at the bottom line, block 
> the main window, etc.
> 
> As far as I can tell, if I have a message window open, it acts as a modal 
> block preventing me from doing anything in the main window, and I cannot have 
> two of these windows open. I cannot move a message window around, or have two 
> of them open at once.
> 
> Is there a way around this? I spend too much time in mail for this bleep.
> 
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Re: Ugh -- Mail in 10.12.6 -- Show stopper

[Jean-Christophe Helary]

What you describe is when Mail is in Full Screen.

I decided to bite the bullet a while ago and use it only full screen and it 
works like a charm.

> Now? It’s like sheets have a new UI design, where they can pop up from the 
> bottom of the window, go into a “fake icon state” at the bottom line, block 
> the main window, etc.

They don't really block the main window. You can click on the main window and 
go back to it.

> As far as I can tell, if I have a message window open, it acts as a modal 
> block preventing me from doing anything in the main window, and I cannot have 
> two of these windows open.

You can have a number of mails opened. The enter a tabbed mode in that mail 
composing window.

> I cannot move a message window around, or have two of them open at once.
> 
> Is there a way around this? I spend too much time in mail for this bleep.

Stop using full screen.

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Re: Getting a command to move to the time machine backup of working dir

[Macs R We]

In Multics, there were something like four different controls in the command 
processor to address problems like this, each of which performed requoting, 
each with slightly different semantics and producing slightly different 
results, and all useful in different contexts.  
(http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/www.bitsavers.org/pdf/honeywell/multics/AG92-06B_multicsCmds_Nov87.pdf,
 page 3-322.)

As far as I know, Unix has never had any such facility.


> On Sep 26, 2017, at 9:17 PM, Michael  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 2017-09-26, at 7:50 AM, @lbutlr  wrote:
> 
>> On Sep 26, 2017, at 8:44 AM, @lbutlr  wrote:
>>> pushd "$(tmutil latestbackup)$(ls -d `find /Volumes/ -maxdepth 1 -type l 
>>> -print` | sed 's/\/Volumes\///')$(pwd -P)"
>> 
>> AFAIC, this works and is shorter, but I don't use pushd myself:
>> 
>> pushd "$(tmutil latestbackup)$(ls -d `find /Volumes/ -maxdepth 1 -type l` | 
>> sed 's/\/Volumes\///')"
> 
> Lacking the current directory at the end, it can't work.
> 
> The longer one?
> keybounceMBP:Library michael$ pushd "$(tmutil latestbackup)$(ls -d `find 
> /Volumes/ -maxdepth 1 -ty
> pe l -print` | sed 's/\/Volumes\///')$(pwd -P)"
> ls: cannot access '/Volumes//New': No such file or directory
> ls: cannot access 'Main': No such file or directory
> -bash: pushd: /Volumes/TimeMachine/Backups.backupdb/Keybounces MacBook 
> Pro/2017-09-26-184525/Users/michael/Library: No such file or directory
> 
> ... Yea, my root volume has a space in the name "New Main".
> 
> So how badly  can I nest "$( ?
> 
> keybounceMBP:Library michael$ pushd "$(tmutil latestbackup)""$(ls -d "$(find 
> /Volumes/ -maxdepth 1
> -type l -print) | sed 's/\/Volumes\///')""$(pwd -P)"
>> 
> 
> Missed one, try again
> 
> keybounceMBP:Library michael$ pushd "$(tmutil latestbackup)""$(ls -d "$(find 
> /Volumes/ -maxdepth 1
> -type l -print) | sed 's/\/Volumes\///')")""$(pwd -P)"
> ls: cannot access '/Volumes//New Main | sed '\''s/\/Volumes\///'\'')': No 
> such file or directory
> -bash: pushd: /Volumes/TimeMachine/Backups.backupdb/Keybounces MacBook 
> Pro/2017-09-26-184525/Users/michael/Library: No such file or directory
> keybounceMBP:Library michael$ 
> 
> Argh.
> 
> Anyone? The nesting needed to deal with filenames containing space in a shell 
> designed around "spaces break tokens, no files will ever have a space in 
> their name" has gotten beyond me here.
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Re: Ugh -- Mail in 10.12.6 -- Show stopper

[Michael]

Thank you. I don't even know how I activated full-screen.

At least hitting that green "maximize" button brings it back to a normal 
window. Just not a big window. (NB: I did not hit the green button to make it 
full screen. Did 10.12 add another way to get there?)

On 2017-09-26, at 9:38 PM, Jean-Christophe Helary 
 wrote:

> What you describe is when Mail is in Full Screen.
> 
> I decided to bite the bullet a while ago and use it only full screen and it 
> works like a charm.
>
> ...You can have a number of mails opened. The enter a tabbed mode in that 
> mail composing window.

But I could not figure out how to have more than one of them open at a time, 
nor move them around.

Apple's implementation of "full screen application" is really "one full-screen 
window", and makes it a pain for apps that have multiple windows or even 
multi-app'ing.

I discovered the "auto-hide menu bar" feature; between that and auto-hide dock, 
is there any reason to say "maximize window" is not sufficient, and "dedicate 
screen to one window no matter how much an app will use more than one" is even 
needed?
===

Even after going to non-full-screen, I had problems. At some point, I made the 
fonts in the window I was typing in tiny (not sure how), and could not figure 
out how to get it back. Heck, the window I was trying to compose a message in 
disappeared on me, and when I finally got it back (not sure how), it behaved 
like it was a tiny preview window from "show all windows for this app", with 
small fonts.

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Re: Ugh -- Mail in 10.12.6 -- Show stopper

[Michael]

Thank you. I don't even know how I activated full-screen.

At least hitting that green "maximize" button brings it back to a normal 
window. Just not a big window. (NB: I did not hit the green button to make it 
full screen. Did 10.12 add another way to get there?)

On 2017-09-26, at 9:38 PM, Jean-Christophe Helary 
 wrote:

> What you describe is when Mail is in Full Screen.
> 
> I decided to bite the bullet a while ago and use it only full screen and it 
> works like a charm.
>
> ...You can have a number of mails opened. The enter a tabbed mode in that 
> mail composing window.

But I could not figure out how to have more than one of them open at a time, 
nor move them around.

Apple's implementation of "full screen application" is really "one full-screen 
window", and makes it a pain for apps that have multiple windows or even 
multi-app'ing.

I discovered the "auto-hide menu bar" feature; between that and auto-hide dock, 
is there any reason to say "maximize window" is not sufficient, and "dedicate 
screen to one window no matter how much an app will use more than one" is even 
needed?
===

Even after going to non-full-screen, I had problems. At some point, I made the 
fonts in the window I was typing in tiny (not sure how), and could not figure 
out how to get it back. Heck, the window I was trying to compose a message in 
disappeared on me, and when I finally got it back (not sure how), it behaved 
like it was a tiny preview window from "show all windows for this app", with 
small fonts.

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Re: Ugh -- Mail in 10.12.6 -- Show stopper

[Macs R We]

Control-command-F does it.  Maybe your hand got sloppy when you tried to 
forward a piece of mail.

Also, in recent releases, double-clicking the top bar of a window (that has 
one) grows the window to the full screen size, not quite "full-screen mode" but 
close.




> On Sep 26, 2017, at 10:36 PM, Michael  wrote:
> 
> Thank you. I don't even know how I activated full-screen.
> 
> At least hitting that green "maximize" button brings it back to a normal 
> window. Just not a big window. (NB: I did not hit the green button to make it 
> full screen. Did 10.12 add another way to get there?)
> 
> On 2017-09-26, at 9:38 PM, Jean-Christophe Helary 
>  wrote:
> 
>> What you describe is when Mail is in Full Screen.
>> 
>> I decided to bite the bullet a while ago and use it only full screen and it 
>> works like a charm.
>> 
>> ...You can have a number of mails opened. The enter a tabbed mode in that 
>> mail composing window.
> 
> But I could not figure out how to have more than one of them open at a time, 
> nor move them around.
> 
> Apple's implementation of "full screen application" is really "one 
> full-screen window", and makes it a pain for apps that have multiple windows 
> or even multi-app'ing.
> 
> I discovered the "auto-hide menu bar" feature; between that and auto-hide 
> dock, is there any reason to say "maximize window" is not sufficient, and 
> "dedicate screen to one window no matter how much an app will use more than 
> one" is even needed?
> ===
> 
> Even after going to non-full-screen, I had problems. At some point, I made 
> the fonts in the window I was typing in tiny (not sure how), and could not 
> figure out how to get it back. Heck, the window I was trying to compose a 
> message in disappeared on me, and when I finally got it back (not sure how), 
> it behaved like it was a tiny preview window from "show all windows for this 
> app", with small fonts.
> 
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Mail PREVIEW pan

[Kevin Callahan]

For several months, I’ve been unable to grab the right edge of my main Mail 
browser pane to reveal the preview pane.  Many months ago, I closed the preview 
pane to prevent an email from loading.  Since then, I’ve been unable to revert 
back to the “viewer window” on left, with the “preview” pane on right.   

High Sierra didn’t fit this.  So I’m assuming I have to blow away some 
preference or do something else to get back my preview pane.  

Thoughts?
Thanks,
Kevin

http://www.kevincallahan.org 
http://www.yeslerwaymusic.com 


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Re: Mail PREVIEW pan

[Macs R We]

Damn.  I reproduced this immediately.  It seems to be an ugly bug.

To get around it, go to Mail / Preferences / View and click "classic layout."  
This will make the panes horizontal, with a dimple on the bottom bar.  Grab the 
bottom dimple and drag up to open up the message pane again.  Warning: it may 
not work the first time.  I had to tickle it something like five times and 
pause at the end of each gesture before it finally responded (and I did the 
whole experiment twice). When you get the pane back, switch back out of classic 
mode and it should still be there.

> On Sep 26, 2017, at 10:44 PM, Kevin Callahan  wrote:
> 
> For several months, I’ve been unable to grab the right edge of my main Mail 
> browser pane to reveal the preview pane.  Many months ago, I closed the 
> preview pane to prevent an email from loading.  Since then, I’ve been unable 
> to revert back to the “viewer window” on left, with the “preview” pane on 
> right.   
> 
> High Sierra didn’t fit this.  So I’m assuming I have to blow away some 
> preference or do something else to get back my preview pane.  
> 
> Thoughts?
> Thanks,
> Kevin
> 
>   http://www.kevincallahan.org 
>   http://www.yeslerwaymusic.com 
> 
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