Re: ftpclients on the mac?
Thanks Erik I had already dowloaded unison not knowing it was by panic. When i just browsed their site yesterdauy I could not locate unison there. Great to know that downloading binaries does work on the mac. Greetings, Anouk,On Sep 4, 2009, at 3:25 AM, hank smith wrote: hat is the website? the link that was given earlier gave stuff on mental health etc - Original Message - From: erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 2:39 PM Subject: Re: ftpclients on the mac? /You're going to get loads of recomendations for transmit, but I just wanted to add mine anyway, because transmit is plain awesom. Unison is amazing as well if you like binary news groups. In fact, just buy anything put out by panic software on the off chance you might need or want it one day and you won't be disappointed. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 3-Sep-09, at 9:01 AM, anouk radix wrote: Hello are there any good ftp-clients that work with voicover? With good i mean that they have to be able to que stuff and download folders. Greetings, Anouk --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: problems reading a document in textedit
Hello, Hmm yes mabe, i will look more into it later today, i had turned off spellcheck but I will check if it is really off. I was able to navigate to some other long books without problems in textedit so I will have to check why THIS particular document is causing problems. Greetings, AnoukOn Sep 3, 2009, at 3:05 PM, James Nash wrote: Could it dpend on the length of the document? This should not be the case but I have known it happen in Microsoft Office - Original Message - From: anouk radix anou...@home.nl To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 1:50 PM Subject: problems reading a document in textedit Hello everyone, i tried again today to take my macbook pro with me to school today but it did not go as well as the first two times. I had to consult a lawbook (if htats the right word) and every time i went down a line i got messages like textedit busy or busy or textedit ready which made it nearly impossible to read through the document. This happened with down arrow but also vo-down. I am going to see if I have the spelling turned off and if changing the format will do anything. The computer shoudl not have been much taxdd, i mean it has 3 ghz 4gig of ram and textedit was the only application running. This was very frustrating and annoying. Greetings, Anouk, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: problems reading a document in textedit
Hi John indeed that is exactly what I mean. Since I am a law students I have LOTS of those kinds of documents (a lot of which I scanned in myself btw). I am planning to get iworks in a few weeks, hopefully I can get a student discount. Btw a different question do i have to get apple stuff on cd, cant you just download it from their site? Greetings, Anouk, On Sep 3, 2009, at 7:17 PM, John J Herzog wrote: Hi, I have noticed the same behavior you mentioned. It normally occurs on long documents, and textedit does in deed say busy after arrowing down each line. It's quite frustrating, but if you have Iwork, it seems to do a better job. Note: When I say long documents, I am referring to those that are several hundred pages or more in length. On Sep 3, 2009, at 9:05 AM, James Nash wrote: Could it dpend on the length of the document? This should not be the case but I have known it happen in Microsoft Office - Original Message - From: anouk radix anou...@home.nl To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 1:50 PM Subject: problems reading a document in textedit Hello everyone, i tried again today to take my macbook pro with me to school today but it did not go as well as the first two times. I had to consult a lawbook (if htats the right word) and every time i went down a line i got messages like textedit busy or busy or textedit ready which made it nearly impossible to read through the document. This happened with down arrow but also vo-down. I am going to see if I have the spelling turned off and if changing the format will do anything. The computer shoudl not have been much taxdd, i mean it has 3 ghz 4gig of ram and textedit was the only application running. This was very frustrating and annoying. Greetings, Anouk, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: problems reading a document in textedit
Hello, I notice slow behaviour in safari as well and I am using dom mode, only with one site so far which i dont plan to use again but still worth mentioning. Greetings, Anouk On Sep 3, 2009, at 8:57 PM, Barry Hadder wrote: I believe that I'm seeing a relationship between this and problems I'm having. In Safari when group mode is on, I get continuos busy and ready messages when a content list has a large amount of items. Navigation also slows down to a crawl. If I open a large pdf document in preview and pdf view is set to one page continuous, it stays busy for a long time. This didn't happen in leopard. It seems to me that vo isn't able to handle large amounts of data as well. I could be mistaken, but there seems to be a correlation. I don't want to discourage anyone from upgrading as I've actually seen more problems fixed than I have found new ones. I hope the problems I've mentioned get fixed soon however. Especially my problem in Safari. The preview thing is easily rectified with single page view, but I thing the to things along with what people are experiencing with textedit are related. Also, it's worth pointing out that dom in Safari isn't nearly as limiting in sl and I would say that it is much more like navigating a page with Jaws although I still personally prefer group. I just want to add a note about some terminology I used above in regards to a content list. The new group mode nest groups now and it seems to me that a group containing other groups is announced as a content list. On Sep 3, 2009, at 12:17 PM, John J Herzog wrote: Hi, I have noticed the same behavior you mentioned. It normally occurs on long documents, and textedit does in deed say busy after arrowing down each line. It's quite frustrating, but if you have Iwork, it seems to do a better job. Note: When I say long documents, I am referring to those that are several hundred pages or more in length. On Sep 3, 2009, at 9:05 AM, James Nash wrote: Could it dpend on the length of the document? This should not be the case but I have known it happen in Microsoft Office - Original Message - From: anouk radix anou...@home.nl To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 1:50 PM Subject: problems reading a document in textedit Hello everyone, i tried again today to take my macbook pro with me to school today but it did not go as well as the first two times. I had to consult a lawbook (if htats the right word) and every time i went down a line i got messages like textedit busy or busy or textedit ready which made it nearly impossible to read through the document. This happened with down arrow but also vo-down. I am going to see if I have the spelling turned off and if changing the format will do anything. The computer shoudl not have been much taxdd, i mean it has 3 ghz 4gig of ram and textedit was the only application running. This was very frustrating and annoying. Greetings, Anouk, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
I'm not so impressed with s l.
Hi all. Spending yesterday evening with snow leopard and I must say that I'm not very impressed. Here is my observations so far. - VO gets stuck in submenus and also jumps over menu items. This have been discussed here before. - In swedish translation vo says k l instad of at for the @-symbol. - Safari and vo don't work well in html version of gmail and don't work at all in google reader. And safari often crashes. But there are some good points with s l. it's a bit faster and more responsive but I'm thinking of restoring my mb back to leopard to get the web and the menus working great again until apple fix them. Does anyone here have any ideas how to fix the issues I'll be happy, otherwise I roll back to leopard. Have a nice weekend. Regards Tony --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Where to go to inform Apple about bugs with Voice Over?
Hello, I'm wondering if anyone has a good place to go to let Apple know about bugs we are encountering with Voice Over and Snow Leopard. I have encountered a few and would really like to go to a good place to let Apple know of my experience. One of the most annoying things I have found is that every time I open a folder in the Finder, I have to re-interact with the icon/image view. This was definitely not the case for the Leopard OS. Anyone else experiencing this? Also, iTunes is definitely way more unstable under SL. Anyways, just wondering where to go. Thanks for any help. Justin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: problems reading a document in textedit
Hello, well to tell you the truth wordpad isnt considered a real word processor either but I ALWAYS used it to read long documents because 1. they were in text format anyway (thats the way i scan them) and it was just so much faster and more responsive then microsoft word. I will report my experiences to apple accessibility btw. Greetings, Anouk, On Sep 3, 2009, at 10:16 PM, James Nash wrote: I remeber that in Leopard sometimes, I would have an issue where VO would either lose focus when it got to a new page or would stop reading altogether. I know that TextEdit is described as a word procesor, but I have never personally considered it as such. D you have a fully fledged word procesor on your Mac? You may have better luck. Take care James - Original Message - From: Simon Cavendish simon.cavend...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 9:00 PM Subject: Re: problems reading a document in textedit I regularly read long documents - I mean a couple of hundred of pages - in both Preview and Textedit, and I haven't on the whole had problems with the applications slowing down. Best, Simon On 3 Sep 2009, at 20:53, Barry Hadder wrote: Yes, I have reported my Safari problems. I wan't to slightly qualify my previous statements in regard to Preview. I Don't recall it acting in the way I described in Leopard, However I can't be 100 percent certain that it didn't. I could be wrong about that, but I don't recall it ever happening. On Sep 3, 2009, at 2:42 PM, Simon Cavendish wrote: Have you and others been reporting these experiences to Accessibility team? There obviously is a need for a fix. Makes me wonder whether to wait a little before I take the plunge. Best wishes, Simon On 3 Sep 2009, at 19:57, Barry Hadder wrote: I believe that I'm seeing a relationship between this and problems I'm having. In Safari when group mode is on, I get continuos busy and ready messages when a content list has a large amount of items. Navigation also slows down to a crawl. If I open a large pdf document in preview and pdf view is set to one page continuous, it stays busy for a long time. This didn't happen in leopard. It seems to me that vo isn't able to handle large amounts of data as well. I could be mistaken, but there seems to be a correlation. I don't want to discourage anyone from upgrading as I've actually seen more problems fixed than I have found new ones. I hope the problems I've mentioned get fixed soon however. Especially my problem in Safari. The preview thing is easily rectified with single page view, but I thing the to things along with what people are experiencing with textedit are related. Also, it's worth pointing out that dom in Safari isn't nearly as limiting in sl and I would say that it is much more like navigating a page with Jaws although I still personally prefer group. I just want to add a note about some terminology I used above in regards to a content list. The new group mode nest groups now and it seems to me that a group containing other groups is announced as a content list. On Sep 3, 2009, at 12:17 PM, John J Herzog wrote: Hi, I have noticed the same behavior you mentioned. It normally occurs on long documents, and textedit does in deed say busy after arrowing down each line. It's quite frustrating, but if you have Iwork, it seems to do a better job. Note: When I say long documents, I am referring to those that are several hundred pages or more in length. On Sep 3, 2009, at 9:05 AM, James Nash wrote: Could it dpend on the length of the document? This should not be the case but I have known it happen in Microsoft Office - Original Message - From: anouk radix anou...@home.nl To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 1:50 PM Subject: problems reading a document in textedit Hello everyone, i tried again today to take my macbook pro with me to school today but it did not go as well as the first two times. I had to consult a lawbook (if htats the right word) and every time i went down a line i got messages like textedit busy or busy or textedit ready which made it nearly impossible to read through the document. This happened with down arrow but also vo-down. I am going to see if I have the spelling turned off and if changing the format will do anything. The computer shoudl not have been much taxdd, i mean it has 3 ghz 4gig of ram and textedit was the only application running. This was very frustrating and annoying. Greetings, Anouk, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
Re: Creating DAISY books was VoiceOver Getting Started (Snow Leopard) is DAISY format
Thanks Greg, Where can I get this plugin from and some info on making the process work please? Can you do this by hand? Thank you Take care James - Original Message - From: Greg Kearney gkear...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 1:37 AM Subject: Re: Creating DAISY books was VoiceOver Getting Started (Snow Leopard) is DAISY format Yes you can and in fact we use Macs here all the time to do just that. The best way is to use OpenOffice with the odt2dtbook plugin. That will export a DTBook XML file which can be used with the Daisy Pipeline software to generate the finished book. The next release of the plugin will eliminate the need to use DAISY Pipeline and will export a finished DAISY book. Gregory Kearney Manager - Accessible Media Association for the Blind of Western Australia 61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101 Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202 Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America) Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696 Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only) Email: gkear...@gmail.com On 03/09/2009, at 7:23 PM, James Nash wrote: Hi Gret and everyone, Is it possible to create DAISY books on Mac OS X? Thanks James - Original Message - From: Les Kriegler krieg...@nycap.rr.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; 'Discussion of Digital Talking Books' dtb-t...@nfbnet.org; 'Mike Shebanek' sheba...@apple.com; 'Mary Beth Janes' mja...@apple.com; 'macvoiceover' macvoiceo...@freelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 7:16 AM Subject: RE: VoiceOver Getting Started (Snow Leopard) is DAISY format Hi Greg, This is great! Navigation now will be much easier. Thanks for posting. Les -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Kearney Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 1:27 AM To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books; Mike Shebanek; Mary Beth Janes; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; macvoiceover Subject: VoiceOver Getting Started (Snow Leopard) is DAISY format VoiceOver Getting Started (Snow Leopard) is DAISY format has been produced by the Association for the Blind of Western Australia and can be downloaded from the following URL: http://www.cucat.org/tmp/vogs_sl.zip This is a full text full audio DAISY version 2.02 digital talking book with navigation at the chapter and subsection level and page numbers supported. Gregory Kearney Manager - Accessible Media Association for the Blind of Western Australia 61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101 Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202 Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America) Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696 Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only) Email: gkear...@gmail.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4390 (20090902) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4390 (20090902) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4390 (20090902) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: VOHelpDesk 3.0 Beta Released
I would like to know this as well. Greetings, Anouk, On Sep 4, 2009, at 5:17 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: What is VO Help Desk? The website doesn't say. thanks, anna On Sep 2, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Brandon Misch wrote: Hey all. this is from Alex. he wanted me to foreward this on since he's no longer on this list. Begin forwarded message: From: Alex Jurgensen asquare...@gmail.com Date: September 2, 2009 12:45:38 PM EDT To: Brandon Misch bmisch2...@gmail.com Subject: VOHelpDesk 3.0 Beta Released Hi, Brandon: Forward this to whoever you like. The public beta of VO-HelpDesk 3.0 for Snow Leopard and Leopard/ Tiger is now released. Find it at: http://www.visionmail.uni.cc/downloads/iTHelps/ . Regards, Alex, Alex Jurgensen, AWEBSIGHT Administrator, ICE Customer Care, VoiceOver Trainer, asquare...@visionmail.uni.cc Visit us on the web at: http://www.visionmail.uni.cc/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: making java apps accessible with vo?
Hello hmm the app i tried, i could read the text on the first page but the buttons were not labelled nor did they have any helptags. Greetings, Anouk, On Sep 3, 2009, at 11:13 PM, Barry Hadder wrote: Hi, On the Mac, java is accessible right out of the box. No access bridge is required. It seems to me to be marginally better then jaws in Windows, but it's still not perfect. On Sep 3, 2009, at 3:54 PM, anouk radix wrote: Hello, in the neoofficce discussion i thought there was some kinf of java accessibility toolkit mentioned? Will this also help making apps accessible with voicover or was it just for windows and windows screenreaders? If it would improve java accessibility on the mac I would like to point the link to the neooffice and jamochamud devteams. Greetings, Anouk --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Letting Apple Accessibility know when they've done a good job
Hi folks, I know that there are a few issues at the moment with Snow Leopard. But I think it's a good idea to let Aple Accessibility know when things work well as well as when they don't because over all the work Apple have done to make the operating system accessible is phenomenal. Also, Lets be grateful that NFB et al havne't written a review yet of SL. Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
cursor (braille) not on the right spot)
Hello, sometimes in mail when i am typing stuff, the cursor is not on the right spot where it hsould be. It is a few characters before the place where I am typing. Its a bit strange and disorienting luckily i have cursor routing keys . Greetings, Anouk --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
background picture
Hello all, when i first installed my mac it asked for a picture to select for my account I guess it made a picture but now someone on adium told me it is displayed there as well which ius sort of embarrassing. I did not know that a picture for my account would be displayed in adium as well, I will have to search in preferences where I can change this. Greetings, Anouk --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: VOHelpDesk 3.0 Beta Released
i think it is a remote help system where you can help someone by controling their voiceover from your pc On 4 Sep 2009, at 09:06, anouk radix wrote: I would like to know this as well. Greetings, Anouk, On Sep 4, 2009, at 5:17 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: What is VO Help Desk? The website doesn't say. thanks, anna On Sep 2, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Brandon Misch wrote: Hey all. this is from Alex. he wanted me to foreward this on since he's no longer on this list. Begin forwarded message: From: Alex Jurgensen asquare...@gmail.com Date: September 2, 2009 12:45:38 PM EDT To: Brandon Misch bmisch2...@gmail.com Subject: VOHelpDesk 3.0 Beta Released Hi, Brandon: Forward this to whoever you like. The public beta of VO-HelpDesk 3.0 for Snow Leopard and Leopard/ Tiger is now released. Find it at: http://www.visionmail.uni.cc/downloads/iTHelps/ . Regards, Alex, Alex Jurgensen, AWEBSIGHT Administrator, ICE Customer Care, VoiceOver Trainer, asquare...@visionmail.uni.cc Visit us on the web at: http://www.visionmail.uni.cc/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: background picture
Hi, you can change this in the accounts section of preferences, on the personal tab in there. YOu can select to not use an icon. Hope this helps. On Sep 4, 2009, at 4:31 AM, anouk radix wrote: Hello all, when i first installed my mac it asked for a picture to select for my account I guess it made a picture but now someone on adium told me it is displayed there as well which ius sort of embarrassing. I did not know that a picture for my account would be displayed in adium as well, I will have to search in preferences where I can change this. Greetings, Anouk --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creating DAISY books was VoiceOver Getting Started (Snow Leopard) is DAISY format
Well you could do it by hand but it would be very difficult to do. It would require understanding teh DAISY specification very well indeed. The link to the OpenOffice plugin can be found here: http://odt2dtbook.sourceforge.net/ Gregory Kearney Manager - Accessible Media Association for the Blind of Western Australia 61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101 Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202 Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America) Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696 Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only) Email: gkear...@gmail.com On 04/09/2009, at 4:02 PM, James Nash wrote: Thanks Greg, Where can I get this plugin from and some info on making the process work please? Can you do this by hand? Thank you Take care James - Original Message - From: Greg Kearney gkear...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 1:37 AM Subject: Re: Creating DAISY books was VoiceOver Getting Started (Snow Leopard) is DAISY format Yes you can and in fact we use Macs here all the time to do just that. The best way is to use OpenOffice with the odt2dtbook plugin. That will export a DTBook XML file which can be used with the Daisy Pipeline software to generate the finished book. The next release of the plugin will eliminate the need to use DAISY Pipeline and will export a finished DAISY book. Gregory Kearney Manager - Accessible Media Association for the Blind of Western Australia 61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101 Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202 Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America) Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696 Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only) Email: gkear...@gmail.com On 03/09/2009, at 7:23 PM, James Nash wrote: Hi Gret and everyone, Is it possible to create DAISY books on Mac OS X? Thanks James - Original Message - From: Les Kriegler krieg...@nycap.rr.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; 'Discussion of Digital Talking Books' dtb-t...@nfbnet.org; 'Mike Shebanek' sheba...@apple.com; 'Mary Beth Janes' mja...@apple.com; 'macvoiceover' macvoiceo...@freelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 7:16 AM Subject: RE: VoiceOver Getting Started (Snow Leopard) is DAISY format Hi Greg, This is great! Navigation now will be much easier. Thanks for posting. Les -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Kearney Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 1:27 AM To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books; Mike Shebanek; Mary Beth Janes; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; macvoiceover Subject: VoiceOver Getting Started (Snow Leopard) is DAISY format VoiceOver Getting Started (Snow Leopard) is DAISY format has been produced by the Association for the Blind of Western Australia and can be downloaded from the following URL: http://www.cucat.org/tmp/vogs_sl.zip This is a full text full audio DAISY version 2.02 digital talking book with navigation at the chapter and subsection level and page numbers supported. Gregory Kearney Manager - Accessible Media Association for the Blind of Western Australia 61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101 Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202 Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America) Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696 Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only) Email: gkear...@gmail.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4390 (20090902) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4390 (20090902) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4390 (20090902) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mail not Reading Automatically - Oh Rats
4 sep 2009 kl. 04.55 skrev Woody Anna Dresner: Sometimes when they aren't read, I hear part of the word Interacting when I press VO-J. It's as though something is cutting off the speech. Confirmed here to. I'm now using the tab key instead of the vo-j and it works better and i get text read automagically. It's like VO doesn't wait for the notice about it interacting with the text before it tries to read the text and that cuts text off, if you see what i'm trying to say. /Krister --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creating DAISY books was VoiceOver Getting Started (Snow Leopard) is DAISY format
Thanks Greg, Can any text or audio bok i.e. mp3 be made into a DAISY book with this plugin or are audio books created differently? Thanks James - Original Message - From: Greg Kearney gkear...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 9:57 AM Subject: Re: Creating DAISY books was VoiceOver Getting Started (Snow Leopard) is DAISY format Well you could do it by hand but it would be very difficult to do. It would require understanding teh DAISY specification very well indeed. The link to the OpenOffice plugin can be found here: http://odt2dtbook.sourceforge.net/ Gregory Kearney Manager - Accessible Media Association for the Blind of Western Australia 61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101 Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202 Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America) Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696 Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only) Email: gkear...@gmail.com On 04/09/2009, at 4:02 PM, James Nash wrote: Thanks Greg, Where can I get this plugin from and some info on making the process work please? Can you do this by hand? Thank you Take care James - Original Message - From: Greg Kearney gkear...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 1:37 AM Subject: Re: Creating DAISY books was VoiceOver Getting Started (Snow Leopard) is DAISY format Yes you can and in fact we use Macs here all the time to do just that. The best way is to use OpenOffice with the odt2dtbook plugin. That will export a DTBook XML file which can be used with the Daisy Pipeline software to generate the finished book. The next release of the plugin will eliminate the need to use DAISY Pipeline and will export a finished DAISY book. Gregory Kearney Manager - Accessible Media Association for the Blind of Western Australia 61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101 Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202 Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America) Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696 Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only) Email: gkear...@gmail.com On 03/09/2009, at 7:23 PM, James Nash wrote: Hi Gret and everyone, Is it possible to create DAISY books on Mac OS X? Thanks James - Original Message - From: Les Kriegler krieg...@nycap.rr.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; 'Discussion of Digital Talking Books' dtb-t...@nfbnet.org; 'Mike Shebanek' sheba...@apple.com; 'Mary Beth Janes' mja...@apple.com; 'macvoiceover' macvoiceo...@freelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 7:16 AM Subject: RE: VoiceOver Getting Started (Snow Leopard) is DAISY format Hi Greg, This is great! Navigation now will be much easier. Thanks for posting. Les -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Kearney Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 1:27 AM To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books; Mike Shebanek; Mary Beth Janes; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; macvoiceover Subject: VoiceOver Getting Started (Snow Leopard) is DAISY format VoiceOver Getting Started (Snow Leopard) is DAISY format has been produced by the Association for the Blind of Western Australia and can be downloaded from the following URL: http://www.cucat.org/tmp/vogs_sl.zip This is a full text full audio DAISY version 2.02 digital talking book with navigation at the chapter and subsection level and page numbers supported. Gregory Kearney Manager - Accessible Media Association for the Blind of Western Australia 61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101 Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202 Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America) Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696 Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only) Email: gkear...@gmail.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4390 (20090902) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4390 (20090902) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4390 (20090902) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: I'm not so impressed with s l.
Hi, Speaking about mouse cursor behaviours, i know i have reported this here earlier and i have reported it to Apple accessibility who didn't understand what i was talking about, but has anyone noticed that when you have mouse cursor follow VO cursor, text under the cursor gets read two or more times, and this happens every time i move the cursors with arrow keys? This happens if i have the checkbox to read text under the mouse after a delay checked. If i have it unchecked, the problem disappears but then i don' get any feedback when moving the mouse at all. Also it doesn't matter how long time i set the delay for, it keeps reading the text two or more times at aprox the same time. Over all though, SL is working very well for me and i don't want to go back to the old leopard, that cat is retired after having done a good job. /Krister 4 sep 2009 kl. 10.55 skrev John André Netland: Hi Tony, To avoid getting stuck in menus etc., go to VO Utilities, enter the navigation category and set the mouse cursor to ignore the VO cursor. This will make navigation in menus etc. work just fine. For now, you must use the move mouse cursor to VO cursor shortcut to have them at the same location. I suppose this issue will be fixed in the near future. Thanks, John André On 4. sep.. 2009, at 09.55, Tony Bernedal wrote: Hi all. Spending yesterday evening with snow leopard and I must say that I'm not very impressed. Here is my observations so far. - VO gets stuck in submenus and also jumps over menu items. This have been discussed here before. - In swedish translation vo says k l instad of at for the @-symbol. - Safari and vo don't work well in html version of gmail and don't work at all in google reader. And safari often crashes. But there are some good points with s l. it's a bit faster and more responsive but I'm thinking of restoring my mb back to leopard to get the web and the menus working great again until apple fix them. Does anyone here have any ideas how to fix the issues I'll be happy, otherwise I roll back to leopard. Have a nice weekend. Regards Tony --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voiceover prevents screen saver from turning on, and display sleep.
I have not encountered this one. Just to clarify, have you tried setting this to 10 or 15 minutes? I've set mine down to 3 minutes and could not reproduce this, but there may very well be some other factors. On Sep 3, 2009, at 8:46 PM, John J Herzog wrote: Hi listers, Can anybody confirm the following bug? In your energy saver preferences, select a time for the display to go to sleep. For this demonstration, select the time of 1 or 2 minutes. Now, leave voiceover and your mac alone. Notice that instead of the display sleeping, voiceover will randomly speak text every two minutes just before the display sleeps. If you are in textedit, voiceover will begin to read the document. If you are in the finder on the applications list, voiceover will read the current application selected. Furthermore, so long as you leave your mac alone, this behavior will continue to occur. Aside from being annoying, I consider this an energy waster, and a security risk. The screen saver never comes on, and thus your screen never locks, asking for you to enter your password to unlock it. Also, the display never dims, consuming unnecessary battery power. Has anybody else had this happen to them? Thanks, John --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: background picture
HEllo, i have just looked but i can only find a password tab and a tab to start certain programs at logins, no personal tab. I did delete the defaultdesktoppicture.jpg in library/coreservices but I am not sure if thats it. Greetings, Anouk, On Sep 4, 2009, at 10:55 AM, Dan Eickmeier wrote: Hi, you can change this in the accounts section of preferences, on the personal tab in there. YOu can select to not use an icon. Hope this helps. On Sep 4, 2009, at 4:31 AM, anouk radix wrote: Hello all, when i first installed my mac it asked for a picture to select for my account I guess it made a picture but now someone on adium told me it is displayed there as well which ius sort of embarrassing. I did not know that a picture for my account would be displayed in adium as well, I will have to search in preferences where I can change this. Greetings, Anouk --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Where to go to inform Apple about bugs with Voice Over?
You can get a free ADC membership and post bugs that way and I encourage you to do so. Issues of accessibility, send to accessibil...@apple.com . On Sep 4, 2009, at 3:56 AM, Justin Kauflin wrote: Hello, I'm wondering if anyone has a good place to go to let Apple know about bugs we are encountering with Voice Over and Snow Leopard. I have encountered a few and would really like to go to a good place to let Apple know of my experience. One of the most annoying things I have found is that every time I open a folder in the Finder, I have to re-interact with the icon/image view. This was definitely not the case for the Leopard OS. Anyone else experiencing this? Also, iTunes is definitely way more unstable under SL. Anyways, just wondering where to go. Thanks for any help. Justin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Can't access trackpad commander in voice utility on my mac book
Okay, thanks. I appreciate that bit of knowledge. Jes On Sep 3, 2009, at 6:25 AM, Scott Howell wrote: Don't feel stupid. The multi-touch trackpad does not have the large button at the bottom. It is just like one large flat square and you can press the lower portion of the pad. hth, On Sep 2, 2009, at 10:15 PM, Jes Smith wrote: How can I be sure? I thought all mac books had the multi-touch pad? Okay, I must not have one then, if I don't see the commander there. Now I feel stupid for asking the question. Jes On Sep 2, 2009, at 7:46 PM, Scott Howell wrote: The question is if your Mac has the multi-touch trackpad for one thing. On Sep 2, 2009, at 6:48 PM, Jes Smith wrote Hi all, I've had my mac book for about a month now, and upgraded to snow leopard last Friday. I notice there's a trackpad commander which can be turned on in either the voice over utility, or with the clockwise two-finger approach on the track pad while holding the vo keys. However, I've tried both these methods, and neither of them work. I can drag my finger across the trackpad and hear where items are on the screen, or at least where I think they are, and then use my mouse button to click on them. But I thought you could double tap and use all the voice over gestures? Any help on this would be appreciated. All I see in the commanders category of the voice over utility are the numpad and the keyboard commander. Jes --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
how to empty trash folder
Hello, i know i can put stuff in trash with cmd-del but if i am in the thrash and i press that it returns it to its prev location. So How can I actually empty the trash? Greetings, Anouk --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: how to empty trash folder
Hey Anouk, The keyboard shortcut to empty the trash is command-shift-delete. Works from anywhere you happen to be in the OS as far as I can tell. hth Scott On 9/4/09, anouk radix anou...@home.nl wrote: Hello, i know i can put stuff in trash with cmd-del but if i am in the thrash and i press that it returns it to its prev location. So How can I actually empty the trash? Greetings, Anouk --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: VOHelpDesk 3.0 Beta Released
just e-mail alex about it. his address is in the foreward i sent out. On Sep 3, 2009, at 11:17 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: What is VO Help Desk? The website doesn't say. thanks, anna On Sep 2, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Brandon Misch wrote: Hey all. this is from Alex. he wanted me to foreward this on since he's no longer on this list. Begin forwarded message: From: Alex Jurgensen asquare...@gmail.com Date: September 2, 2009 12:45:38 PM EDT To: Brandon Misch bmisch2...@gmail.com Subject: VOHelpDesk 3.0 Beta Released Hi, Brandon: Forward this to whoever you like. The public beta of VO-HelpDesk 3.0 for Snow Leopard and Leopard/ Tiger is now released. Find it at: http://www.visionmail.uni.cc/downloads/iTHelps/ . Regards, Alex, Alex Jurgensen, AWEBSIGHT Administrator, ICE Customer Care, VoiceOver Trainer, asquare...@visionmail.uni.cc Visit us on the web at: http://www.visionmail.uni.cc/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
emptying thrash
Hello Scott, cmd-shft-del is secure delete trash but it works from anywere. Is there also such a button to delete it normally? Thanks, Greetings, Anouk --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: emptying thrash
Not that I know of... Adding option to the shortcut performs the opperation without bringing up the confirmation box, but I don't think that changes whether it's a secure erase. If the shortcut you want exists, you won't have long to wait before someone smarter than me chimes in though lol. Scott On 9/4/09, anouk radix anou...@home.nl wrote: Hello Scott, cmd-shft-del is secure delete trash but it works from anywere. Is there also such a button to delete it normally? Thanks, Greetings, Anouk --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: how to empty trash folder
Hi, Go to the main Finder window. Then,, press Shift Comand Delete. That should empty the Trash folder for you. HtH, Jeffrey - Original Message - From: anouk radix anou...@home.nl To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 7:42 AM Subject: how to empty trash folder Hello, i know i can put stuff in trash with cmd-del but if i am in the thrash and i press that it returns it to its prev location. So How can I actually empty the trash? Greetings, Anouk --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
super duper
hi all I am using super duper to clone my mac hard disk. I may do a clean install eventually of Snowleopard. SO, If I wish to put back my home folder do I after buying super duper, boot from firewire drive, run SD and just restore home folder? Will that put back my applications, as well? I guess though one is best doing another backup with SD when SL is installed as all files change? What would you guys advise. Should I just use Super duper to back up user files, and leave the rest if doing clean install anyway? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Word processing on Mac OS X
Hi folks, What are folks on the list using for Word Processing please? Although I don't need it right at the moemnt, I would like the ability to use footnotes and endnotes as well as tables of contents. Latex is great for academic writing nbut sometimes when there's an error and the file will not compile it can be very frustrating. I know that Nisus is in beta at the moment for use with SL.Hopefully, they have improved the accesibility and compatibility between Nisus and VO. I would be very greatful for any recommendations. I do not need an Office suite, but how accessible is the IWork suite. Unfortunately, I did not like OpenOffice and found it very clunky and not very intuitive. Thanks for any help you can provide. Take care james --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: I'm not so impressed with s l.
I think this specific issue has been around since Tiger. Essentially the system is trying to read where the mouse moved to but also the VO cursor moved too. The solution is to force mouse reading off when mouse follows VO. I especially had problems with web pages that had verbose graphical descriptions when I had Mouse follows voice and voice speaks on. I think that jaws had these issues for a while, but most people didn't even know how to lock the jaws cursor and virtual cursor to each other. Jon On Sep 4, 2009, at 5:14 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Hi, Speaking about mouse cursor behaviours, i know i have reported this here earlier and i have reported it to Apple accessibility who didn't understand what i was talking about, but has anyone noticed that when you have mouse cursor follow VO cursor, text under the cursor gets read two or more times, and this happens every time i move the cursors with arrow keys? This happens if i have the checkbox to read text under the mouse after a delay checked. If i have it unchecked, the problem disappears but then i don' get any feedback when moving the mouse at all. Also it doesn't matter how long time i set the delay for, it keeps reading the text two or more times at aprox the same time. Over all though, SL is working very well for me and i don't want to go back to the old leopard, that cat is retired after having done a good job. /Krister 4 sep 2009 kl. 10.55 skrev John André Netland: Hi Tony, To avoid getting stuck in menus etc., go to VO Utilities, enter the navigation category and set the mouse cursor to ignore the VO cursor. This will make navigation in menus etc. work just fine. For now, you must use the move mouse cursor to VO cursor shortcut to have them at the same location. I suppose this issue will be fixed in the near future. Thanks, John André On 4. sep.. 2009, at 09.55, Tony Bernedal wrote: Hi all. Spending yesterday evening with snow leopard and I must say that I'm not very impressed. Here is my observations so far. - VO gets stuck in submenus and also jumps over menu items. This have been discussed here before. - In swedish translation vo says k l instad of at for the @-symbol. - Safari and vo don't work well in html version of gmail and don't work at all in google reader. And safari often crashes. But there are some good points with s l. it's a bit faster and more responsive but I'm thinking of restoring my mb back to leopard to get the web and the menus working great again until apple fix them. Does anyone here have any ideas how to fix the issues I'll be happy, otherwise I roll back to leopard. Have a nice weekend. Regards Tony --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: how to empty trash folder
yes but it is context sensitive, in mail it removes your deleted messages but if i try it anywhere else it wants to do secure delete trash which takes ages and for some reason does not work here, i always get an error message when rying it and it takes hours. Greetings, Anouk On Sep 4, 2009, at 2:41 PM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote: Hi, Cool. Didn't know it works anywhere you are on the Mac. Thanks for that. Jeffrey - Original Message - From: Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 7:53 AM Subject: Re: how to empty trash folder Hey Anouk, The keyboard shortcut to empty the trash is command-shift-delete. Works from anywhere you happen to be in the OS as far as I can tell. hth Scott On 9/4/09, anouk radix anou...@home.nl wrote: Hello, i know i can put stuff in trash with cmd-del but if i am in the thrash and i press that it returns it to its prev location. So How can I actually empty the trash? Greetings, Anouk --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Word processing on Mac OS X
There is also a demo of pages as part of IWork On 4 Sep 2009, at 13:46, Dane Trethowan wrote: I use a combination of Open office and Pages - the latter is very nice indeed I'm told under Snow Leopard though I haven't had the chance to try that for myself yet -. Another word processing package -available on its own - which is super! to use is Nisus Writer Pro, very accessible and packed with all sorts of Word Processing and desktop publishing features. If you want to go down the Free Road try Bean which does one hell of a lot considering its free. James Nash wrote: Hi folks, What are folks on the list using for Word Processing please? Although I don't need it right at the moemnt, I would like the ability to use footnotes and endnotes as well as tables of contents. Latex is great for academic writing nbut sometimes when there's an error and the file will not compile it can be very frustrating. I know that Nisus is in beta at the moment for use with SL.Hopefully, they have improved the accesibility and compatibility between Nisus and VO. I would be very greatful for any recommendations. I do not need an Office suite, but how accessible is the IWork suite. Unfortunately, I did not like OpenOffice and found it very clunky and not very intuitive. Thanks for any help you can provide. Take care james -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:grtd...@internode.on.net Phone United Kingdom 02032874641 Phone Australia :0390058589 Phone United States :8159261869 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS +61 438 571201 MSN grtd...@dane-trethowan.net skype:grtdane12 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/grtdane blog: http://www.grtdane.wordpress.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: VOHelpDesk 3.0 Beta Released
just e-mail alex. i think he may be back on the list though. On Sep 4, 2009, at 4:06 AM, anouk radix wrote: I would like to know this as well. Greetings, Anouk, On Sep 4, 2009, at 5:17 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: What is VO Help Desk? The website doesn't say. thanks, anna On Sep 2, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Brandon Misch wrote: Hey all. this is from Alex. he wanted me to foreward this on since he's no longer on this list. Begin forwarded message: From: Alex Jurgensen asquare...@gmail.com Date: September 2, 2009 12:45:38 PM EDT To: Brandon Misch bmisch2...@gmail.com Subject: VOHelpDesk 3.0 Beta Released Hi, Brandon: Forward this to whoever you like. The public beta of VO-HelpDesk 3.0 for Snow Leopard and Leopard/ Tiger is now released. Find it at: http://www.visionmail.uni.cc/downloads/iTHelps/ . Regards, Alex, Alex Jurgensen, AWEBSIGHT Administrator, ICE Customer Care, VoiceOver Trainer, asquare...@visionmail.uni.cc Visit us on the web at: http://www.visionmail.uni.cc/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: how to empty trash folder
Jeffrey, My understanding of it is that emptying the trash is no different from just deleting a file in that it could still be recovered with any half decent recovery app, because it's only the file alocation table that's modified, the data itself you just deleted isn't overwritten until you really need that disc space. Secure empty actually writes over the data with random 1's and 0's making it way harder to recover. hth Scott On 9/4/09, Jeffrey Shockley jawswiz...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, that's true, which is always why I always go to the Finder Window and press Command, Shift, delete to make sure the Trash is emptied. What is the difference between just emptying the Trash folder and Secure Empty Trash? They seem to do the same thing. Thanks, Jeffrey - Original Message - From: anouk radix anou...@home.nl To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 8:48 AM Subject: Re: how to empty trash folder yes but it is context sensitive, in mail it removes your deleted messages but if i try it anywhere else it wants to do secure delete trash which takes ages and for some reason does not work here, i always get an error message when rying it and it takes hours. Greetings, Anouk On Sep 4, 2009, at 2:41 PM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote: Hi, Cool. Didn't know it works anywhere you are on the Mac. Thanks for that. Jeffrey - Original Message - From: Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 7:53 AM Subject: Re: how to empty trash folder Hey Anouk, The keyboard shortcut to empty the trash is command-shift-delete. Works from anywhere you happen to be in the OS as far as I can tell. hth Scott On 9/4/09, anouk radix anou...@home.nl wrote: Hello, i know i can put stuff in trash with cmd-del but if i am in the thrash and i press that it returns it to its prev location. So How can I actually empty the trash? Greetings, Anouk --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: how to empty trash folder
To empty trash, just find that option under finder's menu. There is empty trash, and also secure empty trash. On Sep 4, 2009, at 7:48 AM, anouk radix wrote: yes but it is context sensitive, in mail it removes your deleted messages but if i try it anywhere else it wants to do secure delete trash which takes ages and for some reason does not work here, i always get an error message when rying it and it takes hours. Greetings, Anouk On Sep 4, 2009, at 2:41 PM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote: Hi, Cool. Didn't know it works anywhere you are on the Mac. Thanks for that. Jeffrey - Original Message - From: Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 7:53 AM Subject: Re: how to empty trash folder Hey Anouk, The keyboard shortcut to empty the trash is command-shift-delete. Works from anywhere you happen to be in the OS as far as I can tell. hth Scott On 9/4/09, anouk radix anou...@home.nl wrote: Hello, i know i can put stuff in trash with cmd-del but if i am in the thrash and i press that it returns it to its prev location. So How can I actually empty the trash? Greetings, Anouk --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: how to empty trash folder
Hi, Oh, I see, it's similar to how the Recycle Bin works in Windows. Now I understand. Thanks for the help. Jeffrey - Original Message - From: Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 8:58 AM Subject: Re: how to empty trash folder Jeffrey, My understanding of it is that emptying the trash is no different from just deleting a file in that it could still be recovered with any half decent recovery app, because it's only the file alocation table that's modified, the data itself you just deleted isn't overwritten until you really need that disc space. Secure empty actually writes over the data with random 1's and 0's making it way harder to recover. hth Scott On 9/4/09, Jeffrey Shockley jawswiz...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, that's true, which is always why I always go to the Finder Window and press Command, Shift, delete to make sure the Trash is emptied. What is the difference between just emptying the Trash folder and Secure Empty Trash? They seem to do the same thing. Thanks, Jeffrey - Original Message - From: anouk radix anou...@home.nl To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 8:48 AM Subject: Re: how to empty trash folder yes but it is context sensitive, in mail it removes your deleted messages but if i try it anywhere else it wants to do secure delete trash which takes ages and for some reason does not work here, i always get an error message when rying it and it takes hours. Greetings, Anouk On Sep 4, 2009, at 2:41 PM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote: Hi, Cool. Didn't know it works anywhere you are on the Mac. Thanks for that. Jeffrey - Original Message - From: Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 7:53 AM Subject: Re: how to empty trash folder Hey Anouk, The keyboard shortcut to empty the trash is command-shift-delete. Works from anywhere you happen to be in the OS as far as I can tell. hth Scott On 9/4/09, anouk radix anou...@home.nl wrote: Hello, i know i can put stuff in trash with cmd-del but if i am in the thrash and i press that it returns it to its prev location. So How can I actually empty the trash? Greetings, Anouk --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Word processing on Mac OS X
Hi Dane, I've used Nisus Pro for a long time and I msut say that the developers are very open to accessibility issues. I wonder how well the new 1.3.1 of Pro will work under Snow Leopard when it comes out of beta. Thanks for the suggestions - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 1:46 PM Subject: Re: Word processing on Mac OS X I use a combination of Open office and Pages - the latter is very nice indeed I'm told under Snow Leopard though I haven't had the chance to try that for myself yet -. Another word processing package -available on its own - which is super! to use is Nisus Writer Pro, very accessible and packed with all sorts of Word Processing and desktop publishing features. If you want to go down the Free Road try Bean which does one hell of a lot considering its free. James Nash wrote: Hi folks, What are folks on the list using for Word Processing please? Although I don't need it right at the moemnt, I would like the ability to use footnotes and endnotes as well as tables of contents. Latex is great for academic writing nbut sometimes when there's an error and the file will not compile it can be very frustrating. I know that Nisus is in beta at the moment for use with SL.Hopefully, they have improved the accesibility and compatibility between Nisus and VO. I would be very greatful for any recommendations. I do not need an Office suite, but how accessible is the IWork suite. Unfortunately, I did not like OpenOffice and found it very clunky and not very intuitive. Thanks for any help you can provide. Take care james -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:grtd...@internode.on.net Phone United Kingdom 02032874641 Phone Australia :0390058589 Phone United States :8159261869 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS +61 438 571201 MSN grtd...@dane-trethowan.net skype:grtdane12 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/grtdane blog: http://www.grtdane.wordpress.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Word processing on Mac OS X
Pages contains many advanced features that I'm only now discovering and I've been using the software for much of this year. On 04/09/2009, at 10:57 PM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote: Yep, it seems to be a nice little program, from what I can tell. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 8:50 AM Subject: Re: Word processing on Mac OS X Yes, Pages is the name of the Word Processing package in Iwork 9. On 04/09/2009, at 10:50 PM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote: Hi, The iWork Suite seems to be pritty accessible from what I can tell. It has done what I needed so far, which is good especially when it comes to getting work for college classes accomplished and I don't feel like switching to my Windows machines to get the assignment or whatever done. HTH, Jeffrey - Original Message - From: James Nash james.austin1...@googlemail.com To: Mac visionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 8:40 AM Subject: Word processing on Mac OS X Hi folks, What are folks on the list using for Word Processing please? Although I don't need it right at the moemnt, I would like the ability to use footnotes and endnotes as well as tables of contents. Latex is great for academic writing nbut sometimes when there's an error and the file will not compile it can be very frustrating. I know that Nisus is in beta at the moment for use with SL.Hopefully, they have improved the accesibility and compatibility between Nisus and VO. I would be very greatful for any recommendations. I do not need an Office suite, but how accessible is the IWork suite. Unfortunately, I did not like OpenOffice and found it very clunky and not very intuitive. Thanks for any help you can provide. Take care james --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Word processing on Mac OS X
Cool. What kinds of features does it offer? I just started using it so I'm not that familiar with it. Thanks, Jeffrey - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 9:19 AM Subject: Re: Word processing on Mac OS X Pages contains many advanced features that I'm only now discovering and I've been using the software for much of this year. On 04/09/2009, at 10:57 PM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote: Yep, it seems to be a nice little program, from what I can tell. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 8:50 AM Subject: Re: Word processing on Mac OS X Yes, Pages is the name of the Word Processing package in Iwork 9. On 04/09/2009, at 10:50 PM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote: Hi, The iWork Suite seems to be pritty accessible from what I can tell. It has done what I needed so far, which is good especially when it comes to getting work for college classes accomplished and I don't feel like switching to my Windows machines to get the assignment or whatever done. HTH, Jeffrey - Original Message - From: James Nash james.austin1...@googlemail.com To: Mac visionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 8:40 AM Subject: Word processing on Mac OS X Hi folks, What are folks on the list using for Word Processing please? Although I don't need it right at the moemnt, I would like the ability to use footnotes and endnotes as well as tables of contents. Latex is great for academic writing nbut sometimes when there's an error and the file will not compile it can be very frustrating. I know that Nisus is in beta at the moment for use with SL.Hopefully, they have improved the accesibility and compatibility between Nisus and VO. I would be very greatful for any recommendations. I do not need an Office suite, but how accessible is the IWork suite. Unfortunately, I did not like OpenOffice and found it very clunky and not very intuitive. Thanks for any help you can provide. Take care james --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Word processing on Mac OS X
I look forward to trying it smile, bought that excellent little package nearly 3 years ago and haven't looked back, I really should give the software a run and see if its been updated and improved since I last used it, one of the features I liked in that software was the ability to write HTML coding, see the document as it would appear and view the actual coding. On 04/09/2009, at 11:08 PM, James Nash wrote: Hi Dane, I've used Nisus Pro for a long time and I msut say that the developers are very open to accessibility issues. I wonder how well the new 1.3.1 of Pro will work under Snow Leopard when it comes out of beta. Thanks for the suggestions - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 1:46 PM Subject: Re: Word processing on Mac OS X I use a combination of Open office and Pages - the latter is very nice indeed I'm told under Snow Leopard though I haven't had the chance to try that for myself yet -. Another word processing package -available on its own - which is super! to use is Nisus Writer Pro, very accessible and packed with all sorts of Word Processing and desktop publishing features. If you want to go down the Free Road try Bean which does one hell of a lot considering its free. James Nash wrote: Hi folks, What are folks on the list using for Word Processing please? Although I don't need it right at the moemnt, I would like the ability to use footnotes and endnotes as well as tables of contents. Latex is great for academic writing nbut sometimes when there's an error and the file will not compile it can be very frustrating. I know that Nisus is in beta at the moment for use with SL.Hopefully, they have improved the accesibility and compatibility between Nisus and VO. I would be very greatful for any recommendations. I do not need an Office suite, but how accessible is the IWork suite. Unfortunately, I did not like OpenOffice and found it very clunky and not very intuitive. Thanks for any help you can provide. Take care james -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:grtd...@internode.on.net Phone United Kingdom 02032874641 Phone Australia :0390058589 Phone United States :8159261869 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS +61 438 571201 MSN grtd...@dane-trethowan.net skype:grtdane12 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/grtdane blog: http://www.grtdane.wordpress.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Word processing on Mac OS X
You expect me to summaries the features of Pages in one email message? We'll be here all night smile, what I've discovered so far is some very excellent auto-correct features, we've discussed the Auto Numbering and Auto-bulleting functionality of Pages but that's just the start, just play about with the menu system and you'll soon see what I mean, look in the help file which can be accessed with command- shift-? and download the manual. On 04/09/2009, at 11:22 PM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote: Cool. What kinds of features does it offer? I just started using it so I'm not that familiar with it. Thanks, Jeffrey - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 9:19 AM Subject: Re: Word processing on Mac OS X Pages contains many advanced features that I'm only now discovering and I've been using the software for much of this year. On 04/09/2009, at 10:57 PM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote: Yep, it seems to be a nice little program, from what I can tell. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 8:50 AM Subject: Re: Word processing on Mac OS X Yes, Pages is the name of the Word Processing package in Iwork 9. On 04/09/2009, at 10:50 PM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote: Hi, The iWork Suite seems to be pritty accessible from what I can tell. It has done what I needed so far, which is good especially when it comes to getting work for college classes accomplished and I don't feel like switching to my Windows machines to get the assignment or whatever done. HTH, Jeffrey - Original Message - From: James Nash james.austin1...@googlemail.com To: Mac visionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 8:40 AM Subject: Word processing on Mac OS X Hi folks, What are folks on the list using for Word Processing please? Although I don't need it right at the moemnt, I would like the ability to use footnotes and endnotes as well as tables of contents. Latex is great for academic writing nbut sometimes when there's an error and the file will not compile it can be very frustrating. I know that Nisus is in beta at the moment for use with SL.Hopefully, they have improved the accesibility and compatibility between Nisus and VO. I would be very greatful for any recommendations. I do not need an Office suite, but how accessible is the IWork suite. Unfortunately, I did not like OpenOffice and found it very clunky and not very intuitive. Thanks for any help you can provide. Take care james --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Word processing on Mac OS X
Ah, I'll take a look at those resources. Thanks. Jeffrey - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 9:26 AM Subject: Re: Word processing on Mac OS X You expect me to summaries the features of Pages in one email message? We'll be here all night smile, what I've discovered so far is some very excellent auto-correct features, we've discussed the Auto Numbering and Auto-bulleting functionality of Pages but that's just the start, just play about with the menu system and you'll soon see what I mean, look in the help file which can be accessed with command- shift-? and download the manual. On 04/09/2009, at 11:22 PM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote: Cool. What kinds of features does it offer? I just started using it so I'm not that familiar with it. Thanks, Jeffrey - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 9:19 AM Subject: Re: Word processing on Mac OS X Pages contains many advanced features that I'm only now discovering and I've been using the software for much of this year. On 04/09/2009, at 10:57 PM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote: Yep, it seems to be a nice little program, from what I can tell. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 8:50 AM Subject: Re: Word processing on Mac OS X Yes, Pages is the name of the Word Processing package in Iwork 9. On 04/09/2009, at 10:50 PM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote: Hi, The iWork Suite seems to be pritty accessible from what I can tell. It has done what I needed so far, which is good especially when it comes to getting work for college classes accomplished and I don't feel like switching to my Windows machines to get the assignment or whatever done. HTH, Jeffrey - Original Message - From: James Nash james.austin1...@googlemail.com To: Mac visionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 8:40 AM Subject: Word processing on Mac OS X Hi folks, What are folks on the list using for Word Processing please? Although I don't need it right at the moemnt, I would like the ability to use footnotes and endnotes as well as tables of contents. Latex is great for academic writing nbut sometimes when there's an error and the file will not compile it can be very frustrating. I know that Nisus is in beta at the moment for use with SL.Hopefully, they have improved the accesibility and compatibility between Nisus and VO. I would be very greatful for any recommendations. I do not need an Office suite, but how accessible is the IWork suite. Unfortunately, I did not like OpenOffice and found it very clunky and not very intuitive. Thanks for any help you can provide. Take care james --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Nisus Writer Pro
Okay folks, here's the link to this excellent word processing package, you can download a 15 day fully functional demo of the software from here too! http://www.nisus.com/pro/ ** Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:grtd...@internode.on.net Twitter: http://twitter.com/grtdane blog: http://www.grtdane.wordpress.com Phone United Kingdom 02032874641 Phone Australia 0390058589 Phone United States 8159261869 Fax: +61 3 9743 7954x MSN grtd...@dane-trethowan.net skype:grtdane12 ** --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Word processing on Mac OS X
As I said earlier, many things I haven't even explored yet so have fun and please let us all know what you think. On 04/09/2009, at 11:30 PM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote: Ah, I'll take a look at those resources. Thanks. Jeffrey - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 9:26 AM Subject: Re: Word processing on Mac OS X You expect me to summaries the features of Pages in one email message? We'll be here all night smile, what I've discovered so far is some very excellent auto-correct features, we've discussed the Auto Numbering and Auto-bulleting functionality of Pages but that's just the start, just play about with the menu system and you'll soon see what I mean, look in the help file which can be accessed with command- shift-? and download the manual. On 04/09/2009, at 11:22 PM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote: Cool. What kinds of features does it offer? I just started using it so I'm not that familiar with it. Thanks, Jeffrey - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 9:19 AM Subject: Re: Word processing on Mac OS X Pages contains many advanced features that I'm only now discovering and I've been using the software for much of this year. On 04/09/2009, at 10:57 PM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote: Yep, it seems to be a nice little program, from what I can tell. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 8:50 AM Subject: Re: Word processing on Mac OS X Yes, Pages is the name of the Word Processing package in Iwork 9. On 04/09/2009, at 10:50 PM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote: Hi, The iWork Suite seems to be pritty accessible from what I can tell. It has done what I needed so far, which is good especially when it comes to getting work for college classes accomplished and I don't feel like switching to my Windows machines to get the assignment or whatever done. HTH, Jeffrey - Original Message - From: James Nash james.austin1...@googlemail.com To: Mac visionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 8:40 AM Subject: Word processing on Mac OS X Hi folks, What are folks on the list using for Word Processing please? Although I don't need it right at the moemnt, I would like the ability to use footnotes and endnotes as well as tables of contents. Latex is great for academic writing nbut sometimes when there's an error and the file will not compile it can be very frustrating. I know that Nisus is in beta at the moment for use with SL.Hopefully, they have improved the accesibility and compatibility between Nisus and VO. I would be very greatful for any recommendations. I do not need an Office suite, but how accessible is the IWork suite. Unfortunately, I did not like OpenOffice and found it very clunky and not very intuitive. Thanks for any help you can provide. Take care james --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
trashing files
Hi, if i type cmd-shift-home in the fidner window and i say i want to securely thrash files i get the following information after a while, alert the operation cant be completed because you dont have permission toaccess these items. Greetings, Anouk, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Word processing on Mac OS X
OK, Will do. Thanks, Jeffrey - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 9:31 AM Subject: Re: Word processing on Mac OS X As I said earlier, many things I haven't even explored yet so have fun and please let us all know what you think. On 04/09/2009, at 11:30 PM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote: Ah, I'll take a look at those resources. Thanks. Jeffrey - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 9:26 AM Subject: Re: Word processing on Mac OS X You expect me to summaries the features of Pages in one email message? We'll be here all night smile, what I've discovered so far is some very excellent auto-correct features, we've discussed the Auto Numbering and Auto-bulleting functionality of Pages but that's just the start, just play about with the menu system and you'll soon see what I mean, look in the help file which can be accessed with command- shift-? and download the manual. On 04/09/2009, at 11:22 PM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote: Cool. What kinds of features does it offer? I just started using it so I'm not that familiar with it. Thanks, Jeffrey - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 9:19 AM Subject: Re: Word processing on Mac OS X Pages contains many advanced features that I'm only now discovering and I've been using the software for much of this year. On 04/09/2009, at 10:57 PM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote: Yep, it seems to be a nice little program, from what I can tell. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 8:50 AM Subject: Re: Word processing on Mac OS X Yes, Pages is the name of the Word Processing package in Iwork 9. On 04/09/2009, at 10:50 PM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote: Hi, The iWork Suite seems to be pritty accessible from what I can tell. It has done what I needed so far, which is good especially when it comes to getting work for college classes accomplished and I don't feel like switching to my Windows machines to get the assignment or whatever done. HTH, Jeffrey - Original Message - From: James Nash james.austin1...@googlemail.com To: Mac visionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 8:40 AM Subject: Word processing on Mac OS X Hi folks, What are folks on the list using for Word Processing please? Although I don't need it right at the moemnt, I would like the ability to use footnotes and endnotes as well as tables of contents. Latex is great for academic writing nbut sometimes when there's an error and the file will not compile it can be very frustrating. I know that Nisus is in beta at the moment for use with SL.Hopefully, they have improved the accesibility and compatibility between Nisus and VO. I would be very greatful for any recommendations. I do not need an Office suite, but how accessible is the IWork suite. Unfortunately, I did not like OpenOffice and found it very clunky and not very intuitive. Thanks for any help you can provide. Take care james --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: can't control-click on misspelled words
Interesting, Robert. I get a beep if I try these commands, and nothing happens. Oh well. Best, Anna On Sep 3, 2009, at 2:35 PM, Robert Carter wrote: Hi, I am not at home so can't test it but there are new commands for moving to the next and previous misspelled word. They are vo-e and vo-shift-e Robert Carter - Original Message - From: Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, Sep 3, 2009 10:36:37 Subject: Re: can't control-click on misspelled words Hi Justin, When I started using Leopard in June, I couldn't use the spell check procedure I described in my last message. However, the most recent OS update fixed it so I could use that procedure. Looks like Snow Leopard broke it again. Best, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: can't control-click on misspelled words
Some commands may be context sensitive i.e. only woring in certain situations. - Original Message - From: Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 2:43 PM Subject: Re: can't control-click on misspelled words Interesting, Robert. I get a beep if I try these commands, and nothing happens. Oh well. Best, Anna On Sep 3, 2009, at 2:35 PM, Robert Carter wrote: Hi, I am not at home so can't test it but there are new commands for moving to the next and previous misspelled word. They are vo-e and vo-shift-e Robert Carter - Original Message - From: Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, Sep 3, 2009 10:36:37 Subject: Re: can't control-click on misspelled words Hi Justin, When I started using Leopard in June, I couldn't use the spell check procedure I described in my last message. However, the most recent OS update fixed it so I could use that procedure. Looks like Snow Leopard broke it again. Best, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Macintosh Word Processor Software by Mariner Software
Hello. Here is a link to another word processing software. I have not used this yet. But just wanted to spread the word on one more choice. http://www.marinersoftware.com/sitepage.php?page=12 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: I'm not so impressed with s l.
Hi James, In Voiceover Utility, go to Navigation. There is a pop-up menu for Mouse Tracking. I've set mine to Ignore. HTH Marshall On Sep 4, 2009, at 7:07 AM, James Nash wrote: Do you know which options to change to fix the issue please? - Original Message - From: Jonathan C. Cohn jon.c.c...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 1:42 PM Subject: Re: I'm not so impressed with s l. I think this specific issue has been around since Tiger. Essentially the system is trying to read where the mouse moved to but also the VO cursor moved too. The solution is to force mouse reading off when mouse follows VO. I especially had problems with web pages that had verbose graphical descriptions when I had Mouse follows voice and voice speaks on. I think that jaws had these issues for a while, but most people didn't even know how to lock the jaws cursor and virtual cursor to each other. Jon On Sep 4, 2009, at 5:14 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Hi, Speaking about mouse cursor behaviours, i know i have reported this here earlier and i have reported it to Apple accessibility who didn't understand what i was talking about, but has anyone noticed that when you have mouse cursor follow VO cursor, text under the cursor gets read two or more times, and this happens every time i move the cursors with arrow keys? This happens if i have the checkbox to read text under the mouse after a delay checked. If i have it unchecked, the problem disappears but then i don' get any feedback when moving the mouse at all. Also it doesn't matter how long time i set the delay for, it keeps reading the text two or more times at aprox the same time. Over all though, SL is working very well for me and i don't want to go back to the old leopard, that cat is retired after having done a good job. /Krister 4 sep 2009 kl. 10.55 skrev John André Netland: Hi Tony, To avoid getting stuck in menus etc., go to VO Utilities, enter the navigation category and set the mouse cursor to ignore the VO cursor. This will make navigation in menus etc. work just fine. For now, you must use the move mouse cursor to VO cursor shortcut to have them at the same location. I suppose this issue will be fixed in the near future. Thanks, John André On 4. sep.. 2009, at 09.55, Tony Bernedal wrote: Hi all. Spending yesterday evening with snow leopard and I must say that I'm not very impressed. Here is my observations so far. - VO gets stuck in submenus and also jumps over menu items. This have been discussed here before. - In swedish translation vo says k l instad of at for the @-symbol. - Safari and vo don't work well in html version of gmail and don't work at all in google reader. And safari often crashes. But there are some good points with s l. it's a bit faster and more responsive but I'm thinking of restoring my mb back to leopard to get the web and the menus working great again until apple fix them. Does anyone here have any ideas how to fix the issues I'll be happy, otherwise I roll back to leopard. Have a nice weekend. Regards Tony --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: selecting items works great!
That's fantastic. Yes, that was really annoying. - Original Message - From: Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 2:45 PM Subject: selecting items works great! Hi, There are things I find annoying about VoiceOVer at the moment, but there have been huge improvements as well. One great one I don't think anyone's mentioned yet is the excellent feedback when selecting multiple items, such as files or songs in iTunes. Before we were just told how many items were selected. Now, VO announces what each item is as it's selected. This is really helpful. Best, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Word processing on Mac OS X
There's also a proof reading feature which I've heard about? This is not a grammar checker smile. BTW can I install Pages without Numbers and Keynote or do i need to instal all of them? - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 2:26 PM Subject: Re: Word processing on Mac OS X You expect me to summaries the features of Pages in one email message? We'll be here all night smile, what I've discovered so far is some very excellent auto-correct features, we've discussed the Auto Numbering and Auto-bulleting functionality of Pages but that's just the start, just play about with the menu system and you'll soon see what I mean, look in the help file which can be accessed with command- shift-? and download the manual. On 04/09/2009, at 11:22 PM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote: Cool. What kinds of features does it offer? I just started using it so I'm not that familiar with it. Thanks, Jeffrey - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 9:19 AM Subject: Re: Word processing on Mac OS X Pages contains many advanced features that I'm only now discovering and I've been using the software for much of this year. On 04/09/2009, at 10:57 PM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote: Yep, it seems to be a nice little program, from what I can tell. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 8:50 AM Subject: Re: Word processing on Mac OS X Yes, Pages is the name of the Word Processing package in Iwork 9. On 04/09/2009, at 10:50 PM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote: Hi, The iWork Suite seems to be pritty accessible from what I can tell. It has done what I needed so far, which is good especially when it comes to getting work for college classes accomplished and I don't feel like switching to my Windows machines to get the assignment or whatever done. HTH, Jeffrey - Original Message - From: James Nash james.austin1...@googlemail.com To: Mac visionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 8:40 AM Subject: Word processing on Mac OS X Hi folks, What are folks on the list using for Word Processing please? Although I don't need it right at the moemnt, I would like the ability to use footnotes and endnotes as well as tables of contents. Latex is great for academic writing nbut sometimes when there's an error and the file will not compile it can be very frustrating. I know that Nisus is in beta at the moment for use with SL.Hopefully, they have improved the accesibility and compatibility between Nisus and VO. I would be very greatful for any recommendations. I do not need an Office suite, but how accessible is the IWork suite. Unfortunately, I did not like OpenOffice and found it very clunky and not very intuitive. Thanks for any help you can provide. Take care james --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Macintosh Word Processor Software by Mariner Software
Oh yes, I forgot about this lol. It is supposed to work with VO on version 4 aparently. - Original Message - From: dannyboy To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 3:05 PM Subject: Macintosh Word Processor Software by Mariner Software Hello. Here is a link to another word processing software. I have not used this yet. But just wanted to spread the word on one more choice. http://www.marinersoftware.com/sitepage.php?page=12 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: I'm not so impressed with s l.
Thanks Marshall, I'll remember that. - Original Message - From: Marshall Scott sc...@cvrti.utah.edu To: MacVisionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: Re: I'm not so impressed with s l. Hi James, In Voiceover Utility, go to Navigation. There is a pop-up menu for Mouse Tracking. I've set mine to Ignore. HTH Marshall On Sep 4, 2009, at 7:07 AM, James Nash wrote: Do you know which options to change to fix the issue please? - Original Message - From: Jonathan C. Cohn jon.c.c...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 1:42 PM Subject: Re: I'm not so impressed with s l. I think this specific issue has been around since Tiger. Essentially the system is trying to read where the mouse moved to but also the VO cursor moved too. The solution is to force mouse reading off when mouse follows VO. I especially had problems with web pages that had verbose graphical descriptions when I had Mouse follows voice and voice speaks on. I think that jaws had these issues for a while, but most people didn't even know how to lock the jaws cursor and virtual cursor to each other. Jon On Sep 4, 2009, at 5:14 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Hi, Speaking about mouse cursor behaviours, i know i have reported this here earlier and i have reported it to Apple accessibility who didn't understand what i was talking about, but has anyone noticed that when you have mouse cursor follow VO cursor, text under the cursor gets read two or more times, and this happens every time i move the cursors with arrow keys? This happens if i have the checkbox to read text under the mouse after a delay checked. If i have it unchecked, the problem disappears but then i don' get any feedback when moving the mouse at all. Also it doesn't matter how long time i set the delay for, it keeps reading the text two or more times at aprox the same time. Over all though, SL is working very well for me and i don't want to go back to the old leopard, that cat is retired after having done a good job. /Krister 4 sep 2009 kl. 10.55 skrev John André Netland: Hi Tony, To avoid getting stuck in menus etc., go to VO Utilities, enter the navigation category and set the mouse cursor to ignore the VO cursor. This will make navigation in menus etc. work just fine. For now, you must use the move mouse cursor to VO cursor shortcut to have them at the same location. I suppose this issue will be fixed in the near future. Thanks, John André On 4. sep.. 2009, at 09.55, Tony Bernedal wrote: Hi all. Spending yesterday evening with snow leopard and I must say that I'm not very impressed. Here is my observations so far. - VO gets stuck in submenus and also jumps over menu items. This have been discussed here before. - In swedish translation vo says k l instad of at for the @-symbol. - Safari and vo don't work well in html version of gmail and don't work at all in google reader. And safari often crashes. But there are some good points with s l. it's a bit faster and more responsive but I'm thinking of restoring my mb back to leopard to get the web and the menus working great again until apple fix them. Does anyone here have any ideas how to fix the issues I'll be happy, otherwise I roll back to leopard. Have a nice weekend. Regards Tony --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Need your help, looking for irc client for snow
Greetings, I am seeking advice on an irc client for use with snow. I currently use ircle. My main requirement is that it must speak all text from incoming open channels in the background reliably. Of course, general VO compatibility is a nice thing too, yet Ircle isn't that good, but I rely on it daily for its ability to speak on the fly. Thanks. --Scott -- --Scott --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Word processing on Mac OS X
Can't remember to be honest, I installed everything. On 05/09/2009, at 12:14 AM, James Nash wrote: There's also a proof reading feature which I've heard about? This is not a grammar checker smile. BTW can I install Pages without Numbers and Keynote or do i need to instal all of them? - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 2:26 PM Subject: Re: Word processing on Mac OS X You expect me to summaries the features of Pages in one email message? We'll be here all night smile, what I've discovered so far is some very excellent auto-correct features, we've discussed the Auto Numbering and Auto-bulleting functionality of Pages but that's just the start, just play about with the menu system and you'll soon see what I mean, look in the help file which can be accessed with command- shift-? and download the manual. On 04/09/2009, at 11:22 PM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote: Cool. What kinds of features does it offer? I just started using it so I'm not that familiar with it. Thanks, Jeffrey - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 9:19 AM Subject: Re: Word processing on Mac OS X Pages contains many advanced features that I'm only now discovering and I've been using the software for much of this year. On 04/09/2009, at 10:57 PM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote: Yep, it seems to be a nice little program, from what I can tell. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 8:50 AM Subject: Re: Word processing on Mac OS X Yes, Pages is the name of the Word Processing package in Iwork 9. On 04/09/2009, at 10:50 PM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote: Hi, The iWork Suite seems to be pritty accessible from what I can tell. It has done what I needed so far, which is good especially when it comes to getting work for college classes accomplished and I don't feel like switching to my Windows machines to get the assignment or whatever done. HTH, Jeffrey - Original Message - From: James Nash james.austin1...@googlemail.com To: Mac visionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 8:40 AM Subject: Word processing on Mac OS X Hi folks, What are folks on the list using for Word Processing please? Although I don't need it right at the moemnt, I would like the ability to use footnotes and endnotes as well as tables of contents. Latex is great for academic writing nbut sometimes when there's an error and the file will not compile it can be very frustrating. I know that Nisus is in beta at the moment for use with SL.Hopefully, they have improved the accesibility and compatibility between Nisus and VO. I would be very greatful for any recommendations. I do not need an Office suite, but how accessible is the IWork suite. Unfortunately, I did not like OpenOffice and found it very clunky and not very intuitive. Thanks for any help you can provide. Take care james --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: can't control-click on misspelled words
Hi Anna, The reason that you get a beep is that I told you the incorrect command. It is VO-command-e and VO-command-shift-e. I actually find that the old command simicolon command seems to work better. Robert On Sep 4, 2009, at 8:43 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: Interesting, Robert. I get a beep if I try these commands, and nothing happens. Oh well. Best, Anna On Sep 3, 2009, at 2:35 PM, Robert Carter wrote: Hi, I am not at home so can't test it but there are new commands for moving to the next and previous misspelled word. They are vo-e and vo-shift-e Robert Carter - Original Message - From: Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, Sep 3, 2009 10:36:37 Subject: Re: can't control-click on misspelled words Hi Justin, When I started using Leopard in June, I couldn't use the spell check procedure I described in my last message. However, the most recent OS update fixed it so I could use that procedure. Looks like Snow Leopard broke it again. Best, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mail not Reading Automatically - Oh Rats
Here it will announce the first character and then read the first word in the e-mail. Sl has caused the computer and vo in particular to be more snappy. I did the upgrade without a hitch. Randy On Sep 4, 2009, at 4:58 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: 4 sep 2009 kl. 04.55 skrev Woody Anna Dresner: Sometimes when they aren't read, I hear part of the word Interacting when I press VO-J. It's as though something is cutting off the speech. Confirmed here to. I'm now using the tab key instead of the vo-j and it works better and i get text read automagically. It's like VO doesn't wait for the notice about it interacting with the text before it tries to read the text and that cuts text off, if you see what i'm trying to say. /Krister --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mail not Reading Automatically - Oh Rats
Hi all, I now get VO to read the preview pane automatically. I VO right arrow over to the Subject line of a message to see if I want to read or delete it. If it the subject line of a tread I right arrow to open the thread. Then I tab down to the preview pane and VO reads everything. If it doesn't work the first time, I shift Tab back to the message line and then tab back to the preview pane. works every time. Frank Tom vermont...@gmail.com On Sep 4, 2009, at 4:58 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: 4 sep 2009 kl. 04.55 skrev Woody Anna Dresner: Sometimes when they aren't read, I hear part of the word Interacting when I press VO-J. It's as though something is cutting off the speech. Confirmed here to. I'm now using the tab key instead of the vo-j and it works better and i get text read automagically. It's like VO doesn't wait for the notice about it interacting with the text before it tries to read the text and that cuts text off, if you see what i'm trying to say. /Krister --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Open Office security vulnerabilities
Folks, Forgive the cross-posting, but I know some of you use Open Office. I noticed a message on a security list I'm on that stated that there are two high level security vulnerabilities in Open Office. The affected version is Open Office 3.1 and there patches available from http://www.openoffice.org . Marshall --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
male in snowleopard and gmail
Hi list I'm now running snowleopard and I've just upgraded my accounts. They aren't working. I've tried re adding them but nothing works. Is anyone else having issues with gmail and apple male 4? Any help would be awesome. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Tip on Extra Status Menus in SL
I found an interesting way to get extra airport status information. I wanted to post this because I believe that it is new to sl. Open the status menu with vo-m twice. Hold down the option key as you left or right arrow over the airport menu icon. Now release the option key and arrow down through the menu. This can be done on many of the other menus such as volume, mobileme, etc. Live long and prosper. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Tip on Extra Status Menus in SL
Wow. that's awesome. Thanks for this cool tip. On Sep 4, 2009, at 6:11 PM, Barry Hadder wrote: I found an interesting way to get extra airport status information. I wanted to post this because I believe that it is new to sl. Open the status menu with vo-m twice. Hold down the option key as you left or right arrow over the airport menu icon. Now release the option key and arrow down through the menu. This can be done on many of the other menus such as volume, mobileme, etc. Live long and prosper. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Switching between virtualization software
Hello all, Currently I'm still under windows vista. I am working with virtual box the only accessible and affordable (because free) virtualization software I know on this platform. I soon plan to create a windows xp virtual machine. As I also plan during the coming months to switch under Mac OS and as I probably will need to still work under windows a bit, I will probably install VMWare Fusion the mac virtualization software known to be accessible here. My question, should I have to reinstall my Windows XP under fusion or could I be able to import it from my virtual Box virtual machine ? If no, is there a compatible VmWare software working under windows and fairly priced ? Regards, -- Claude Renaud --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Tip on Extra Status Menus in SL
hi; I just tryed this in leopard, and it does work, but it is a good tip:) mike On Sep 4, 2009, at 8:16 AM, Søren Jensen wrote: Wow. that's awesome. Thanks for this cool tip. On Sep 4, 2009, at 6:11 PM, Barry Hadder wrote: I found an interesting way to get extra airport status information. I wanted to post this because I believe that it is new to sl. Open the status menu with vo-m twice. Hold down the option key as you left or right arrow over the airport menu icon. Now release the option key and arrow down through the menu. This can be done on many of the other menus such as volume, mobileme, etc. Live long and prosper. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: I'm not so impressed with s l.
Hi. Thanks for that. it looks like it fixes the menu issue. Regards Tony 2009/9/4, James Nash james.austin1...@googlemail.com: Thanks Marshall, I'll remember that. - Original Message - From: Marshall Scott sc...@cvrti.utah.edu To: MacVisionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: Re: I'm not so impressed with s l. Hi James, In Voiceover Utility, go to Navigation. There is a pop-up menu for Mouse Tracking. I've set mine to Ignore. HTH Marshall On Sep 4, 2009, at 7:07 AM, James Nash wrote: Do you know which options to change to fix the issue please? - Original Message - From: Jonathan C. Cohn jon.c.c...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 1:42 PM Subject: Re: I'm not so impressed with s l. I think this specific issue has been around since Tiger. Essentially the system is trying to read where the mouse moved to but also the VO cursor moved too. The solution is to force mouse reading off when mouse follows VO. I especially had problems with web pages that had verbose graphical descriptions when I had Mouse follows voice and voice speaks on. I think that jaws had these issues for a while, but most people didn't even know how to lock the jaws cursor and virtual cursor to each other. Jon On Sep 4, 2009, at 5:14 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Hi, Speaking about mouse cursor behaviours, i know i have reported this here earlier and i have reported it to Apple accessibility who didn't understand what i was talking about, but has anyone noticed that when you have mouse cursor follow VO cursor, text under the cursor gets read two or more times, and this happens every time i move the cursors with arrow keys? This happens if i have the checkbox to read text under the mouse after a delay checked. If i have it unchecked, the problem disappears but then i don' get any feedback when moving the mouse at all. Also it doesn't matter how long time i set the delay for, it keeps reading the text two or more times at aprox the same time. Over all though, SL is working very well for me and i don't want to go back to the old leopard, that cat is retired after having done a good job. /Krister 4 sep 2009 kl. 10.55 skrev John André Netland: Hi Tony, To avoid getting stuck in menus etc., go to VO Utilities, enter the navigation category and set the mouse cursor to ignore the VO cursor. This will make navigation in menus etc. work just fine. For now, you must use the move mouse cursor to VO cursor shortcut to have them at the same location. I suppose this issue will be fixed in the near future. Thanks, John André On 4. sep.. 2009, at 09.55, Tony Bernedal wrote: Hi all. Spending yesterday evening with snow leopard and I must say that I'm not very impressed. Here is my observations so far. - VO gets stuck in submenus and also jumps over menu items. This have been discussed here before. - In swedish translation vo says k l instad of at for the @-symbol. - Safari and vo don't work well in html version of gmail and don't work at all in google reader. And safari often crashes. But there are some good points with s l. it's a bit faster and more responsive but I'm thinking of restoring my mb back to leopard to get the web and the menus working great again until apple fix them. Does anyone here have any ideas how to fix the issues I'll be happy, otherwise I roll back to leopard. Have a nice weekend. Regards Tony --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: About mac and airport express.
Hello! I use Multiple Speakers all the time on my Mac in iTunes. There is a simple trick to make it work properly. First, however, make sure you do the following: 1. Open iTunes Preferences (Command-Comma). 2. Click on Devices in the toolbar. 3. Check the check box for Look for Remote Speakers Connected with AirTunes. 4. Close the preferences. Okay, now to set multiple remote speakers: 1. Navigate to the speakers pop up menu with VoiceOver. VoiceOver will probably announce Computer when it is on the pop up menu. 2. Open the pop up menu by pressing VO-Space Bar. 3. Make your first selection from the speakers pop up menu with VO- Space Bar. )For example, in my case I might choose Kitchen.) The menu will close. 4. At this point you will probably have to navigate back to the speakers menu, but this time VoiceOver will announce whatever it was that you just selected. (Again, in my case it would say Kitchen.) 5. Open the pop up menu with VO-Space Bar again. 6. Make your second (or third or fourth or...) selection, but this time use VO-Shift-Space Bar. (I also find that it seems to work best if I hold the VO-Shift keys down an extra second or two after releasing the Space Bar.) 7. As in 4 above, You may have to navigate back to the pop up menu again if you want to add another speaker. This time, however, VoiceOver will read Multiple Speakers when it is on the menu. Repeat 5 and 6 as needed. Hope this helps... Lou. Annie Skov Nielsen wrote: Hi all. I have godt 3 airport express. I have located them around my house. On my windows pc I can choose that I would like to play with multiple speakers in ITunes, and it works fine. I know that it also can work on a mac. In ITunes i can find the option multiple speakers, I press the button, but I am not able to choose the speakers. Can anybody help me, so I can use multiple speakers on my mac too. Best regards Annie. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Tip on Extra Status Menus in SL
Actually, I recall now that the network icon worked in leopard allthough, I just figured out how to access it with the keyboard. The other menus I mentioned are new however. On Sep 4, 2009, at 11:22 AM, Michael Babcock wrote: hi; I just tryed this in leopard, and it does work, but it is a good tip:) mike On Sep 4, 2009, at 8:16 AM, Søren Jensen wrote: Wow. that's awesome. Thanks for this cool tip. On Sep 4, 2009, at 6:11 PM, Barry Hadder wrote: I found an interesting way to get extra airport status information. I wanted to post this because I believe that it is new to sl. Open the status menu with vo-m twice. Hold down the option key as you left or right arrow over the airport menu icon. Now release the option key and arrow down through the menu. This can be done on many of the other menus such as volume, mobileme, etc. Live long and prosper. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: male in snowleopard and gmail
I was definitely having major gmail issues when I first installed SL and I tried so many things that I'm not sure how they finally got fixed, lol. my issues were that I could send mail fine, but I'd set up my two accounts in mail and one would receive and the other wouldn't. I think what I ended up doing that fixed it was I deleted the mail folder out of my library and then reloaded mail, and it looked like I'd never launched it before. then I put both accounts back in and made sure all the settings and port numbers were correct and they eventually worked. it was quite a process though!! I hope you can get yours fixed!! Jessi and Goldina On 2009-09-04, at 8:11 AM, matthew Campbell wrote: Hi list I'm now running snowleopard and I've just upgraded my accounts. They aren't working. I've tried re adding them but nothing works. Is anyone else having issues with gmail and apple male 4? Any help would be awesome. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: male in snowleopard and gmail
Can't do sending or receiving. It's real weird. On 9/4/09, Jessi and Goldina sanginsista3...@gmail.com wrote: I was definitely having major gmail issues when I first installed SL and I tried so many things that I'm not sure how they finally got fixed, lol. my issues were that I could send mail fine, but I'd set up my two accounts in mail and one would receive and the other wouldn't. I think what I ended up doing that fixed it was I deleted the mail folder out of my library and then reloaded mail, and it looked like I'd never launched it before. then I put both accounts back in and made sure all the settings and port numbers were correct and they eventually worked. it was quite a process though!! I hope you can get yours fixed!! Jessi and Goldina On 2009-09-04, at 8:11 AM, matthew Campbell wrote: Hi list I'm now running snowleopard and I've just upgraded my accounts. They aren't working. I've tried re adding them but nothing works. Is anyone else having issues with gmail and apple male 4? Any help would be awesome. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mail not Reading Automatically - Oh Rats
I must say that I have no idea on what's wrong. The weird thing is it does work on some machines and others it doesn't. On Sep 4, 2009, at 4:55 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: Hi Soren, I have tried high and medium verbosity. I have a Mac Mini. I don't think the issue has to do with where a message is in a thread. My experience is that either all the messages get read automatically or almost none of them do. Sometimes when they aren't read, I hear part of the word Interacting when I press VO-J. It's as though something is cutting off the speech. Best, Anna On Sep 3, 2009, at 2:37 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: Hi Scott and Anna. What is your default verbosity set to? If it's set to low, the text area will also be set to low if you choose default from the popup button, but if your default verbosity is set to medium, and all other items in the table are set to default, your verbosity is set in the same way like mine. I don't think it has something to do with the VO settings. I've tried to adjust some of the horizontal splitters in mail to see if that changed anything, but it doesn't change anything here. I've also tried to change the view settings, but that didn't changed anything as well. If this issue only happens on the Imacs, it might have something to do with the drivers. I'll try to do some more bug-testing in this weekend. Best regards Søren. On Sep 3, 2009, at 9:13 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: Unfortunately, Soren's method didn't work for me either. Mail is once again not reading correctly. I'll restart later and see if that makes any difference. Best, Anna On Sep 3, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Søren, thanks for the great idea and it did work, but briefly for me. Damned if I didn't switch away from Mail and come back to find that it was no longer working. Oh well, how lovely. :) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: making java apps accessible with vo?
Hay, You might try the button labeler. I haven't tried it yet so I can't tell you anything about it. The app you are trying to is is accessible as far as java apps go. If it wasn't, you would be able to tell if there were buttons or anything els. As I said before though, java still has a ways to go before it's 100 percent friendly with screenreaders. Even on the Mac. Allot of things in regards to controls being labeled correctly is largely up to the developers and what they do or don't do. It's my understanding that java on the Mac is Apple's own implementation so I'm not sure way it's not more reliable in terms of accessibility than it is, but hopefully it will get better. Hopefully someone else may have more suggestions then I do. On Sep 4, 2009, at 3:07 AM, anouk radix wrote: Hello hmm the app i tried, i could read the text on the first page but the buttons were not labelled nor did they have any helptags. Greetings, Anouk, On Sep 3, 2009, at 11:13 PM, Barry Hadder wrote: Hi, On the Mac, java is accessible right out of the box. No access bridge is required. It seems to me to be marginally better then jaws in Windows, but it's still not perfect. On Sep 3, 2009, at 3:54 PM, anouk radix wrote: Hello, in the neoofficce discussion i thought there was some kinf of java accessibility toolkit mentioned? Will this also help making apps accessible with voicover or was it just for windows and windows screenreaders? If it would improve java accessibility on the mac I would like to point the link to the neooffice and jamochamud devteams. Greetings, Anouk --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Mac-cessibility News] FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes
FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes The FaceBook.com iPhone application has been updated to version 3.02. The update focuses on VoiceOver compatibility, and accessibility fixes. The rapidity with which the developer has addressed the accessibility issues is extraordinary, and we applaud FaceBook for this response. The application is exceptionally usable now, with only a couple of unlabeled controls which can be quickly [...] You can read the rest of this news item at: http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/09/04/facebook-iphone-application-updated-with-accessibility-fixes/ The Mac-cessibility Network ...it's all within our reach... http://maccessibility.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voiceover and the spell checker
Very interesting. Perhaps if you turn off the visual queues of mis- spellings? Edit menu spelling and grammer sub-menu Check Spelling- sub menu while typeing Then this behaviour will stop. I can't / won't check this out here. On Sep 3, 2009, at 11:19 AM, Søren Jensen wrote: Hi. When Voiceover reads a misspelled word, it makes a small break before it continue the reading. It also does that when I set the in- countering a misspelled word to do nothing in the Voiceover settings. It's very annoying. Has anyone found this issue as well? Best regards Søren. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Web Pages Loading Slowly
If you plug an adaptor to your machine, that may be all you need. My moniter's adaptor is plugged in, but the monitor is not plugged in to the wall. On Sep 4, 2009, at 12:17 PM, Rich Ring wrote: Are you saying I have to purchase a monitor which I can't see in order to use this machine successfully? That's not what I would consider an accessible function. - Original Message - From: Mac Cougar cougar1...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 9:58 AM Subject: Re: Web Pages Loading Slowly make sure you have a monitor connected or it will say busy all the time or most of it anyways. Steve On Sep 3, 2009, at 3:31 AM, Michael D. Barber wrote: I thought I submitted this last night, but perhaps it didn't make it to the list. I am having difficulty on my Mac Mini with web pages loading quite slowly. Is anyone else experiencing this problem and do you have a solution? Are there any settings which need changing? Thanks. Cordially, Michael Barber --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
snowleopard on the way
hi my snowleopard has been shipped today but UPS won't deliver weekends. HOw daft? lol so have to wait till monday. WIll --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: super duper
ah so now i ahve my clone can I use that to migrate applications? On 4 Sep 2009, at 17:38, Scott Howell wrote: WHy don't you just migrate your data once you perform the clean install. You will have the option to include applications and these are the applications you installed, not the apps that Apple installs. On Sep 4, 2009, at 8:40 AM, william lomas wrote: hi all I am using super duper to clone my mac hard disk. I may do a clean install eventually of Snowleopard. SO, If I wish to put back my home folder do I after buying super duper, boot from firewire drive, run SD and just restore home folder? Will that put back my applications, as well? I guess though one is best doing another backup with SD when SL is installed as all files change? What would you guys advise. Should I just use Super duper to back up user files, and leave the rest if doing clean install anyway? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Tip on Extra Status Menus in SL
Awesome. This works really well for me. However, the only way I was able to obtain the extra information was by using VO down arrow after first arrowing to the menu with option held down. On Sep 4, 2009, at 12:11 PM, Barry Hadder wrote: I found an interesting way to get extra airport status information. I wanted to post this because I believe that it is new to sl. Open the status menu with vo-m twice. Hold down the option key as you left or right arrow over the airport menu icon. Now release the option key and arrow down through the menu. This can be done on many of the other menus such as volume, mobileme, etc. Live long and prosper. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: male in snowleopard and gmail
I am experiencing the same problem, I set up a gmail account under SL and the settings are correct, but it will not send or receive. Also, on a completely different subject, I purchased a Mac Mini last Saturday so that I could learn to use and appreciate the Mac. Web pages download so slowly that it makes the machine impractical to use. I am now being told that in order to fix this problem I'm going to have to purchase a monitor. That's insane! Windows may be bad, but I can use a Windows machine without a monitor, and I can send and receive email on one as well. I am just a bit frustrated with my Mac experience right now. - Original Message - From: matthew Campbell wrestling.ch...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 11:49 AM Subject: Re: male in snowleopard and gmail Can't do sending or receiving. It's real weird. On 9/4/09, Jessi and Goldina sanginsista3...@gmail.com wrote: I was definitely having major gmail issues when I first installed SL and I tried so many things that I'm not sure how they finally got fixed, lol. my issues were that I could send mail fine, but I'd set up my two accounts in mail and one would receive and the other wouldn't. I think what I ended up doing that fixed it was I deleted the mail folder out of my library and then reloaded mail, and it looked like I'd never launched it before. then I put both accounts back in and made sure all the settings and port numbers were correct and they eventually worked. it was quite a process though!! I hope you can get yours fixed!! Jessi and Goldina On 2009-09-04, at 8:11 AM, matthew Campbell wrote: Hi list I'm now running snowleopard and I've just upgraded my accounts. They aren't working. I've tried re adding them but nothing works. Is anyone else having issues with gmail and apple male 4? Any help would be awesome. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: pod cast 10 on installing snow leopard
Serotalk podcast 22 has a segment where they do actually this process. You can find it at http://www.serotalk.com. Just your heading command to get to the second post with the words Podcast 22. I would post the direct link to the post but IE 8 or something else is not letting me copy the link to the clipboard for some reason. Doug On Sep 3, 10:17 pm, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: The upgrade is actually really simple. Once you insert the DVD, open the mac os 10 installer, from there, follow the instructions. Some people have had problems with this though with things not working correctly after the upgrade, my advice is to do an erase and reinstall. On Sep 3, 2009, at 4:46 PM, matthew Dyer wrote: Hey mike, I gave your podcastt a listebn and it was very good. I wish someone would do a podcast on upgrade. I just ordered my copy the other day and awaiting its arivl. I will endup doing an upgrade rather than a clean install. Matthew On Sep 1, 2009, at 9:19 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: Hi all, ok my pod cast number 10 on installing snow leopard is now on blind cool tech. I also look at the new voice over tutorial. Hereis the link. http://media.libsyn.com/media/bct/bct1380InstallSnowLeopard.mp3- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Web Pages Loading Slowly
Are you saying I have to purchase a monitor which I can't see in order to use this machine successfully? That's not what I would consider an accessible function. - Original Message - From: Mac Cougar cougar1...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 9:58 AM Subject: Re: Web Pages Loading Slowly make sure you have a monitor connected or it will say busy all the time or most of it anyways. Steve On Sep 3, 2009, at 3:31 AM, Michael D. Barber wrote: I thought I submitted this last night, but perhaps it didn't make it to the list. I am having difficulty on my Mac Mini with web pages loading quite slowly. Is anyone else experiencing this problem and do you have a solution? Are there any settings which need changing? Thanks. Cordially, Michael Barber --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [Mac-cessibility News] FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes
Why am I getting these? When the 3gs first came out, I seem to remember that Cara was quite adamant that discussion of it on the mv list was off topic so she created a new list for it. Surely, things like this would fit in better on the other list? Sorry if I spelt your name wrong btw Cara. On 04/09/2009, Maccessibility nore...@maccessibility.net wrote: FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes The FaceBook.com iPhone application has been updated to version 3.02. The update focuses on VoiceOver compatibility, and accessibility fixes. The rapidity with which the developer has addressed the accessibility issues is extraordinary, and we applaud FaceBook for this response. The application is exceptionally usable now, with only a couple of unlabeled controls which can be quickly [...] You can read the rest of this news item at: http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/09/04/facebook-iphone-application-updated-with-accessibility-fixes/ The Mac-cessibility Network ...it's all within our reach... http://maccessibility.net -- Kind regards, BEN. email: bmustillr...@gmail.com msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
safari being crashy
Hello, Safari is being a bit crashy this evening, i thought this system would be more stable then this. Although the system itself hads not frozen yet several programs have. Greetings, Anouk --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
safari sluggish and slow
HEllo, yeah so first it crashed and now its very sluggish and slow if i open more then one page, wikipedia and google to be excact. I constantly get safari is busy or safari is ready messages. I cant do much of anything and there is very slow or no response at all to commands. Greetings, Anouk --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: problems reading a document in textedit
Very interesting! where do you study law? I have had part of a course in common law and found it very difficult, the dutch law system is a lot different, relying a lot more on lawbooks and codified text then judgements. Anyway I scan all my books (except the lawbooks which are available online) but all my boosk i need for my courses using my hp 5590 scanner, i have to cut the books at the copyshop located at my faccculty, i thought about getting a real bookscanner but i need articles and stuff like that too on occasion and i have no room for two scanners. I usually take about a week before my course starts out for all the scanning so that i have it all done when the course starts because it is quite labour intensive work, i canonly scan about 30 pages at a time because I HATE paperjams, then they go through omnipage pro 16 and that sves it to a document. I havent tried anything on the mac yet because I am not sure if multiple pages at once are possible and it it would recognize text as well as omnipage does. I mean with omnipage there is NEVER a need to proofread text, sure the layout might not be 100 percent at times but there are no errors if the text source was clear. I am going to try readiris with and without vuescan and also finereader (although the full version is not available for the mac) but to be perfectly honest i dont have much hope. Out of curiosity what games do you plauy udner windows/ I too would really like to switch to the mac as much as possible, greetings, Anouk On Sep 4, 2009, at 7:52 PM, John J Herzog wrote: Hi Anouk, I, too, am a law student. Good luck with Iwork. It seems to resolve many of my textedit issues. Some documents I have are one thousand pages plus. Aside from initial sluggishness when interacting with the document body in pages, voiceover remains snappy and responsive. BTW, when you scan your documents in, do you use windows? If not, how do you use your mac to accomplish this? If possible I'd really like to use my VMware virtual copy of windows for games only. However I have not found a reasonable way to do massive amounts of OCR with the mac. Thanks, John P.S. As for apple products, I think you always have to purchase the CD. Every time I have made a purchase, with the exception of quicktime pro, it has always included an installation CD or DVD. Then again, I have always purchased my apple products from a retail store, so I don't know what methods are available if you shop online. On Sep 4, 2009, at 3:49 AM, anouk radix wrote: Hi John indeed that is exactly what I mean. Since I am a law students I have LOTS of those kinds of documents (a lot of which I scanned in myself btw). I am planning to get iworks in a few weeks, hopefully I can get a student discount. Btw a different question do i have to get apple stuff on cd, cant you just download it from their site? Greetings, Anouk, On Sep 3, 2009, at 7:17 PM, John J Herzog wrote: Hi, I have noticed the same behavior you mentioned. It normally occurs on long documents, and textedit does in deed say busy after arrowing down each line. It's quite frustrating, but if you have Iwork, it seems to do a better job. Note: When I say long documents, I am referring to those that are several hundred pages or more in length. On Sep 3, 2009, at 9:05 AM, James Nash wrote: Could it dpend on the length of the document? This should not be the case but I have known it happen in Microsoft Office - Original Message - From: anouk radix anou...@home.nl To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 1:50 PM Subject: problems reading a document in textedit Hello everyone, i tried again today to take my macbook pro with me to school today but it did not go as well as the first two times. I had to consult a lawbook (if htats the right word) and every time i went down a line i got messages like textedit busy or busy or textedit ready which made it nearly impossible to read through the document. This happened with down arrow but also vo-down. I am going to see if I have the spelling turned off and if changing the format will do anything. The computer shoudl not have been much taxdd, i mean it has 3 ghz 4gig of ram and textedit was the only application running. This was very frustrating and annoying. Greetings, Anouk, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Letting Apple Accessibility know when they've done a good job
Howdy El Sep 4, 2009, a las 1:10 AM, James Nash escribió: Also, Lets be grateful that NFB et al havne't written a review yet of SL. Oh heavens no, we wouldn't want them to discover these bugs! Justin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: super duper
Sure, that would be the way or unless you have a Time Machine backup. On Sep 4, 2009, at 1:28 PM, william lomas wrote: ah so now i ahve my clone can I use that to migrate applications? On 4 Sep 2009, at 17:38, Scott Howell wrote: WHy don't you just migrate your data once you perform the clean install. You will have the option to include applications and these are the applications you installed, not the apps that Apple installs. On Sep 4, 2009, at 8:40 AM, william lomas wrote: hi all I am using super duper to clone my mac hard disk. I may do a clean install eventually of Snowleopard. SO, If I wish to put back my home folder do I after buying super duper, boot from firewire drive, run SD and just restore home folder? Will that put back my applications, as well? I guess though one is best doing another backup with SD when SL is installed as all files change? What would you guys advise. Should I just use Super duper to back up user files, and leave the rest if doing clean install anyway? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Web Pages Loading Slowly
In my experience the answer is yes. On Sep 4, 2009, at 10:17 AM, Rich Ring wrote: Are you saying I have to purchase a monitor which I can't see in order to use this machine successfully? That's not what I would consider an accessible function. - Original Message - From: Mac Cougar cougar1...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 9:58 AM Subject: Re: Web Pages Loading Slowly make sure you have a monitor connected or it will say busy all the time or most of it anyways. Steve On Sep 3, 2009, at 3:31 AM, Michael D. Barber wrote: I thought I submitted this last night, but perhaps it didn't make it to the list. I am having difficulty on my Mac Mini with web pages loading quite slowly. Is anyone else experiencing this problem and do you have a solution? Are there any settings which need changing? Thanks. Cordially, Michael Barber --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [Mac-cessibility News] FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes
I'm with Ben here. I don't really appreciate receiving Maccessibility updates. Is there not a list I can subscribe to if I want to receive them? Not only that, but they are snippets with a link to the full story. I request that these not be sent to macvisionaries. On 9/4/09, ben mustill-rose bmustillr...@gmail.com wrote: Why am I getting these? When the 3gs first came out, I seem to remember that Cara was quite adamant that discussion of it on the mv list was off topic so she created a new list for it. Surely, things like this would fit in better on the other list? Sorry if I spelt your name wrong btw Cara. On 04/09/2009, Maccessibility nore...@maccessibility.net wrote: FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes The FaceBook.com iPhone application has been updated to version 3.02. The update focuses on VoiceOver compatibility, and accessibility fixes. The rapidity with which the developer has addressed the accessibility issues is extraordinary, and we applaud FaceBook for this response. The application is exceptionally usable now, with only a couple of unlabeled controls which can be quickly [...] You can read the rest of this news item at: http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/09/04/facebook-iphone-application-updated-with-accessibility-fixes/ The Mac-cessibility Network ...it's all within our reach... http://maccessibility.net -- Kind regards, BEN. email: bmustillr...@gmail.com msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: problems reading a document in textedit
Hi Anouk I am currently a law student at the University of Michigan law school in the US. My classes also heavily rely on books and course packs. I'm currently using Kurzweil 1000 under fusion to handle all my scanning needs. My scanner, which has both an ADF and flatbed works with twain sane, which is an open source project that emulates many scanner drivers for the macintosh. However, I was unable to get vuescan to work with twain-sane, and when I called readiris technical support, they expressed their doubts that the product would work. Twain sane is an emulator, not an official twain driver, so the iris folks said it most likely would not work. That's a shame, as apparently readiris can handle multiple pages put into an ADF simultaneously. Has anybody gotten Vuescan to work with twain sane? How about ReadIris? I am willing to pay for either program, but want to make sure it all works first. As for games, I want to talk about that, but think it would be off topic here since they're all windows. Please email me off list and I'd be happy to tell you which ones are awesome. On Sep 4, 2009, at 2:55 PM, anouk radix wrote: Very interesting! where do you study law? I have had part of a course in common law and found it very difficult, the dutch law system is a lot different, relying a lot more on lawbooks and codified text then judgements. Anyway I scan all my books (except the lawbooks which are available online) but all my boosk i need for my courses using my hp 5590 scanner, i have to cut the books at the copyshop located at my faccculty, i thought about getting a real bookscanner but i need articles and stuff like that too on occasion and i have no room for two scanners. I usually take about a week before my course starts out for all the scanning so that i have it all done when the course starts because it is quite labour intensive work, i canonly scan about 30 pages at a time because I HATE paperjams, then they go through omnipage pro 16 and that sves it to a document. I havent tried anything on the mac yet because I am not sure if multiple pages at once are possible and it it would recognize text as well as omnipage does. I mean with omnipage there is NEVER a need to proofread text, sure the layout might not be 100 percent at times but there are no errors if the text source was clear. I am going to try readiris with and without vuescan and also finereader (although the full version is not available for the mac) but to be perfectly honest i dont have much hope. Out of curiosity what games do you plauy udner windows/ I too would really like to switch to the mac as much as possible, greetings, Anouk On Sep 4, 2009, at 7:52 PM, John J Herzog wrote: Hi Anouk, I, too, am a law student. Good luck with Iwork. It seems to resolve many of my textedit issues. Some documents I have are one thousand pages plus. Aside from initial sluggishness when interacting with the document body in pages, voiceover remains snappy and responsive. BTW, when you scan your documents in, do you use windows? If not, how do you use your mac to accomplish this? If possible I'd really like to use my VMware virtual copy of windows for games only. However I have not found a reasonable way to do massive amounts of OCR with the mac. Thanks, John P.S. As for apple products, I think you always have to purchase the CD. Every time I have made a purchase, with the exception of quicktime pro, it has always included an installation CD or DVD. Then again, I have always purchased my apple products from a retail store, so I don't know what methods are available if you shop online. On Sep 4, 2009, at 3:49 AM, anouk radix wrote: Hi John indeed that is exactly what I mean. Since I am a law students I have LOTS of those kinds of documents (a lot of which I scanned in myself btw). I am planning to get iworks in a few weeks, hopefully I can get a student discount. Btw a different question do i have to get apple stuff on cd, cant you just download it from their site? Greetings, Anouk, On Sep 3, 2009, at 7:17 PM, John J Herzog wrote: Hi, I have noticed the same behavior you mentioned. It normally occurs on long documents, and textedit does in deed say busy after arrowing down each line. It's quite frustrating, but if you have Iwork, it seems to do a better job. Note: When I say long documents, I am referring to those that are several hundred pages or more in length. On Sep 3, 2009, at 9:05 AM, James Nash wrote: Could it dpend on the length of the document? This should not be the case but I have known it happen in Microsoft Office - Original Message - From: anouk radix anou...@home.nl To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 1:50 PM Subject: problems reading a document in textedit Hello everyone, i tried again today to take my macbook pro with me to school today but it did not go as well
Re: safari sluggish and slow
all the more reason to wait for updates, everyone dives in to quickly On 4 Sep 2009, at 20:06, anouk radix wrote: HEllo, yeah so first it crashed and now its very sluggish and slow if i open more then one page, wikipedia and google to be excact. I constantly get safari is busy or safari is ready messages. I cant do much of anything and there is very slow or no response at all to commands. Greetings, Anouk --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
airport i d
Hello. Is the airport i d the same as the mac address for the airport card? Whenever I try reading it with v o, before I can read all the characters, the v o jumps to the help button. I am using Leopard. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: male in snowleopard and gmail
You shouldn't have to buy a monitor. A monitor adaptor plugged into your mini should help. I think that's the trick that most of the listers who have a mac mini have used. So don't worry. Best wishes, Simon On 4 Sep 2009, at 18:35, Rich Ring wrote: I am experiencing the same problem, I set up a gmail account under SL and the settings are correct, but it will not send or receive. Also, on a completely different subject, I purchased a Mac Mini last Saturday so that I could learn to use and appreciate the Mac. Web pages download so slowly that it makes the machine impractical to use. I am now being told that in order to fix this problem I'm going to have to purchase a monitor. That's insane! Windows may be bad, but I can use a Windows machine without a monitor, and I can send and receive email on one as well. I am just a bit frustrated with my Mac experience right now. - Original Message - From: matthew Campbell wrestling.ch...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 11:49 AM Subject: Re: male in snowleopard and gmail Can't do sending or receiving. It's real weird. On 9/4/09, Jessi and Goldina sanginsista3...@gmail.com wrote: I was definitely having major gmail issues when I first installed SL and I tried so many things that I'm not sure how they finally got fixed, lol. my issues were that I could send mail fine, but I'd set up my two accounts in mail and one would receive and the other wouldn't. I think what I ended up doing that fixed it was I deleted the mail folder out of my library and then reloaded mail, and it looked like I'd never launched it before. then I put both accounts back in and made sure all the settings and port numbers were correct and they eventually worked. it was quite a process though!! I hope you can get yours fixed!! Jessi and Goldina On 2009-09-04, at 8:11 AM, matthew Campbell wrote: Hi list I'm now running snowleopard and I've just upgraded my accounts. They aren't working. I've tried re adding them but nothing works. Is anyone else having issues with gmail and apple male 4? Any help would be awesome. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Letting Apple Accessibility know when they've done a good job
I happen to be a member of the NFB. However, when I read that horrible article that was one of several factors that made me decide to get a Mac and attempt to learn it. I knew the article was incredibly flawed, and I wanted to experience the Mac since so many people whose opinions I respect have said it is a great platform. However, with my inability to send and receive email, the glacial performance I experience on the web, I am thus far not overjoyed with this machine at all. If I had known, for example, that I would have to spend several hundred dollars more for a monitor to go with my Mac Mini, I would have bought the less expensive Mac Book. One of the reasons I really like the design of the Mac Mini is its tiny footprint. But if I need a monitor well that kind of changes everything. I don't have a clue as to how to solve my Gmail problem, and therefore I will just stick to Windows for mail right now. - Original Message - From: Justin Harford blindst...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 2:08 PM Subject: Re: Letting Apple Accessibility know when they've done a good job Howdy El Sep 4, 2009, a las 1:10 AM, James Nash escribió: Also, Lets be grateful that NFB et al havne't written a review yet of SL. Oh heavens no, we wouldn't want them to discover these bugs! Justin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: (extedit) how to select text, start a new page
Anna, You are right that option + shift + down or up arrow will select a paragraph. I have just checked and to much delight it does that. However, on my machine, option+shift + right or left arrow will select a word at a time. Control+option+arrow keys do not select but are vo navigation modes. On my machine again, command+shift+right arrow will select a line of text. Best wishes, Simon On 4 Sep 2009, at 03:53, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: Hi, My experience is that Command and Shift and the arrow keys select words, rather than Control-Shift-arrow keys. And depending on how a document is formatted, Option-Shift and Up or Down Arrow can select by paragraph. Best, Anna On Sep 2, 2009, at 2:00 PM, Simon Cavendish wrote: Dear Anouk, Selecting text will take a bit of getting used to. If you want to select an entire line of text, position yourself at the beginning of the line by pressing control + left arrow. (Control + right arrow will position you at the end of the line.) Then Hold down shift and press down arrow to select a line of text and then again if you want to select another line. To select a word at a time, hold down shift and option key while using the arrow keys to select or deselect text. To select individual characters, hold down shift key and use your right and left arrows to select or deselect. You can check what you have selected by pressing vo +f6 key comination just to make sure. Then you copy with command+c combination. I haven't found a reliable way selecting an entire paragraph yet. I am sorry but I don't know the answer to your second question. You are doing fantastically well. Take care, Simon On 2 Sep 2009, at 09:20, anouk radix wrote: Hello, can I just select text with cmd-shift down arrow and then i can copy it? I guess I will have to be careful to have my cursor at the beginning of a line? Also how can I start a new page? Thanks, Greetings, Anouk --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Difficulties with preview and long documents.
Was wondering if I could get some tips from you folks. I am reading a large document in preview, and I am having difficulties getting it to read from a point forward. For example if I tell it to go to page 100 then navigate over to where the text is displayed, I usually start right at the top of the document. any preview/vo settings that can assist by being changed? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: safari sluggish and slow
Hello Anouk, On Sep 4, 2009, at 9:06 PM, anouk radix wrote: yeah so first it crashed and now its very sluggish and slow if i open more then one page, wikipedia and google to be excact. I constantly get safari is busy or safari is ready messages. I cant do much of anything and there is very slow or no response at all to commands. There are several things you can do. First, repair disk permissions. Press Command-Shift-u to go to the Utilities folder, then press dis for Disk Utility. Select your internal hard drive in the list, then navigate right to First Aid. Select that, then press VO-Space bar on Repair Disk Permissions. This can take several minutes, but it is something you should do every time you install a new application. If this doesn't fix your problem, you should try zapping the PRAM. To do this: Shut down your computer, then hold down Command-Option-p-r and keeping them held down, press the Power key and let it go. Keep the other four keys held down until you have heard the startup chime four times, then let the machine boot normally. Ask again if you need more help. Cheers, Anne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Letting Apple Accessibility know when they've done a good job
You may only need the adaptor that came with your mac mini, and not a monitor itself. On Sep 4, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Rich Ring wrote: I happen to be a member of the NFB. However, when I read that horrible article that was one of several factors that made me decide to get a Mac and attempt to learn it. I knew the article was incredibly flawed, and I wanted to experience the Mac since so many people whose opinions I respect have said it is a great platform. However, with my inability to send and receive email, the glacial performance I experience on the web, I am thus far not overjoyed with this machine at all. If I had known, for example, that I would have to spend several hundred dollars more for a monitor to go with my Mac Mini, I would have bought the less expensive Mac Book. One of the reasons I really like the design of the Mac Mini is its tiny footprint. But if I need a monitor well that kind of changes everything. I don't have a clue as to how to solve my Gmail problem, and therefore I will just stick to Windows for mail right now. - Original Message - From: Justin Harford blindst...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 2:08 PM Subject: Re: Letting Apple Accessibility know when they've done a good job Howdy El Sep 4, 2009, a las 1:10 AM, James Nash escribió: Also, Lets be grateful that NFB et al havne't written a review yet of SL. Oh heavens no, we wouldn't want them to discover these bugs! Justin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
