Re: A few questions for this Imac newbie
Hi, It's worth mentioning that, if the Quick start (VO-Command-F8, doesn't mention this, you turn on Quicknav by pressing the right and left arrow keys simultaneously. The good thing about Quicknav is that it only affects the arrow keys. I don't use it, personally, because I keep forgetting that feature is implemented and it was not in Leopard. To interact with an item, you press the arrow keys down and right simultaneously. Likewise, to stop interacting with an item, you press the down and left arrow keys. To switch to the next web rotor, you press right and up, and to switch to the previous rotor, you press up and left. This does not apply to the web only, but also to text editing to cycle through navigation, characters and words. This means that, when Quicknav is turned on, you can move to the previous character or word by using the up arrow, and move to the next by using down arrow. Navigation means that up and down arrow will act just just as if you were holding down the VO-keys and using the arrow keys to navigate.. Again, I think the Quick start might mention this, but I can't recall. Hope this helps. Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 5:37 AM, Ryan Mann wrote: I would like to add that in SnowLeopard, if you turn Quick Nav on, you don't have to hold down the control and option keys to navigate web pages. What I mean is that instead of holding down the control and option keys with the arrow keys, you can just use the left and right arrow keys by themselves to navigate web pages. On Oct 2, 2009, at 8:49 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi again, I completely forgot to mention this about the Mac acting quirky. This applies mostly to Macbook users, though. They would probably be using the Sleep function the most. If you put it to sleep, it will sometimes have interesting effects. Stuff might act quirky. Sometimes. Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 2:44 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, To your first question No, it is not necessary to restart any of the Macintosh computers unless an update requires it. Mine has been on for at least an entire month now without a restart, and it works perfectly fine as if it had just booted up. Secondly, keeping your iPod Touch connected all the time should not be a problem. In fact, it'll probably benefit you if you have been using it. I believe it will charge it. Third, in my case it has always seemed using the regular VoiceOver navigation keys (Vo-left and right arrow) work better. I have noticed that with some pages, using the up and down arrow keys doesn't always work, so I would recommend the VO approach. You can use shift-up, down, left or right arrow to select lines and characters respectively on a web page. Holding down the control key in conjunction with either shift-left or right arrow will highlight from your current position to the beginning of a line, or the end of a line, respectively. This seems to be working in most areas where there is a text field, or HTML content. For some reason, it's not always possible to navigate by utilizing the arrow key approach, however. Hope this helps. Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 2:32 AM, Lynn Schneider wrote: Hi there. Words cannot express how thankful I am for this list and the many great podcasts out there which helped me make the transition to the Mac. I do have a few questions that I cannot find the answers to in the documentation. First, is it necessary to periodically restart my Imac? I know in Windows, if I didn't periodically do a restart, things would get sort of gummed up and eventually the PC would get really slow, so I just got in the habit of doing a restart every day. Secondly, since the USB ports are in the back of the computer in a somewhat difficult spot, can I just keep the USB cable for my iPod Touch connected all the time? Thirdly, I'm struggling a bit with the web and was hoping you guys could pass along some suggestions. I actually crashed Safari yesterday and had to do a force quit. I seem to be able to find links on the web pages, but cannot seem to be able to arrow up and down to find text, even when I lock the VO keys. I have tried DOM mode. Maybe I should use groups mode? Which do you all prefer and why? Thanks in advance for any assistance you can provide. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Accessibility of Garage Band
Dear Yuma, great idea. Count me in as well. I think we should also ask for accessibility for Logic, which still belongs to Apple. That leads me to the question I asked about this pro audio list that disappeared. Does anyone know what became of it? I even tried and contact a few of its members, but they all seem to have vanished with the list. Cheers, JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel - Original Message - From: Yuma Antoine Decaux To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 10:10 AM Subject: Re: Accessibility of Garage Band Hi everyone, Thanks for the piece of info on accessible/non accessible features in Garage Band. As i said earlier on this list, i believe using certain trackpad gestures such as rotor movements for placing and moving track loops would be a very intuitive way to edit for visual impaired individuals. I propose we assemble a sort of petition to address this request to accessibil...@apple.com If you are interested, i will take in e-mails and names of those interested and include them in my mail to them on behalf of the mac visionaries google group. Please let me know, and let's figure some good gestures for the specifically usefull features of garage band. Thanks, and best regards Yuma --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: MySpace, flash and Safari
Hi, No, VoiceOver does not support flash. Adobe apparently refuses to support VoiceOver, but a petition has been signed. http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/08/25/petition-to-adobe-systems-inc-for-a-commitment-to-accessibility/ Hopefully, they might listen but as far as I know, they aren't yet. Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 10:51 AM, Jean-Philippe Rykiel wrote: Dear all, as you might have noticed with the link at the bottom of my messages, I'm a MySpace user. MySpace keeps changing its design and becomes less and less accessible, at least with PCs. I would like to know if Safari makes it better especially in the musician's pages where it became impossible to find the music player's controls. More generally speaking, does voice-over provide better accessibility solutions than PC screen readers Regarding Flash animations ? Cheers, JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Accessibility of Garage Band
Hi, This might limit those people without a trackpad, though. Not everyone has it. You might want to propose a secondary way to accomplish the same tasks. But I'm up for it. Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 11:05 AM, Jean-Philippe Rykiel wrote: Dear Yuma, great idea. Count me in as well. I think we should also ask for accessibility for Logic, which still belongs to Apple. That leads me to the question I asked about this pro audio list that disappeared. Does anyone know what became of it? I even tried and contact a few of its members, but they all seem to have vanished with the list. Cheers, JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel - Original Message - From: Yuma Antoine Decaux To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 10:10 AM Subject: Re: Accessibility of Garage Band Hi everyone, Thanks for the piece of info on accessible/non accessible features in Garage Band. As i said earlier on this list, i believe using certain trackpad gestures such as rotor movements for placing and moving track loops would be a very intuitive way to edit for visual impaired individuals. I propose we assemble a sort of petition to address this request to accessibil...@apple.com If you are interested, i will take in e-mails and names of those interested and include them in my mail to them on behalf of the mac visionaries google group. Please let me know, and let's figure some good gestures for the specifically usefull features of garage band. Thanks, and best regards Yuma --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iPhone honored by NFB
My thoughts exactly. I think the people who read AT reviews fall into two categories: people who work for AT companies/departments and people already using AT who are not likely to switch but enjoy keeping up with the technology conversations. Most purchasing decisions happen almost entirely apart from the users of AT who rarely are even asked for input. An odd phenomena though, is the growth of VO and people who seem new to computing or new to participating in discussions about such. Whenever a new person joins any of the three Apple related lists to which I subscribe, I make certain of taking notice of their name. Some are people I've known for years from lots of different lists. A whole lot, maybe even most, seem new to technology lists (I doubt too many are entirely new to computing as finding a list, getting signed up, etc. isn't obvious to the novice). I know that Apple stores are offering VO training because (I'm guessing) the local Lighthouse or other agencies aren't serving the Mac market. I'm working on a very large proposal for a really huge project that includes a lot of questions about populations and numbers of users on different AT with a variety of different disabilities. The only information I can get about Mac users with vision impairment comes from surveys which have the self selection problem (a lot of people do not fill out surveys) which may over or under-estimate MacinBlinks as we've no scientificly gathered data. Lighthouse and other training centers don't count Macintosh users as they do not train them so, as far as that class of NGO goes, we do not really exist. As millions of Macs have shipped since the first VO, we've no clue how many blinks are using them, how they are being used, etc. I would estimate, though, from my entirely unscientific survey of names on mailing lists that Mac is hitting a previously unserved population and doing so well enough for the users to spend time on lists helping each other out. I do not, however, know how many people are on these lists - the JAWS list has over 900 users last I looked and the Apple oriented seem to have a lot fewer. Of course, pointing back to the top of the message, if Mac is being used by tons of real novices, then we have no way to get a census of VO use. Ah... tangled webs and the like... cdh To wit: cdh On Oct 2, 2009, at 5:56 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: Apple has played the 'let the best technology win in the long run' game for a while. Maybe that's why they have about 5% market share. Most people don't care and just get what their network recommend. So those already leaning towards Apple will cite antagonism and those leaning away will consider it affirmation. Neither will move much based on one review. CB Cameron wrote: Hi. It's depressing to think about the potential number of people who after reading that awful so called review, will not end up giving the mac platform a shot. With all the work apple has done, and continues to do in terms of out of the box accessibility, this is quite unfair. Cameron. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rich Ring Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 7:06 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB I agree, but political entities, whether they are governments, political parties, or the NFB don't tend to admit to their mistakes. Unfortunate, but true. - Original Message - From: kaare dehard kaare.deh...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:54 PM Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB I think your right rich, however, their attempt to do this is rather sad since it would be easier to just admit that they are human like the rest of us, that an error was made, and then not repeat this. That certainly would have gone some ways to repairing damaged credibility. On 2009-09-30, at 7:14 PM, Rich Ring wrote: I believe that what you're seeing here is that they're trying to make up for the grave error they made with the Mac without in fact quite admitting they were wrong. You have to read between the lines a bit, but this is what I firmly believe. - Original Message - From: ben mustill-rose bmustillr...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 6:34 PM Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB I do find it rather funny that they slammed a program that ran on a device with a full sized qwerty keyboard yet there all over the iphone with its touch screen. O well - step in the right direction anyway. On 26/09/2009, Kevin Gibbs kevj...@gmail.com wrote: You have to ask the sighted friend to turn it on in preferences, I think. K. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Time Machine Restore
Hi, I installed the latest iTunes and a number of things seem to have gone weird. First, iTunes didn't automatically detect my library which is odd as it isn't in an obscure location and it should have been able to find it from the settings of the previous version. The iTunes upgrade also lost the location of my Restore file for my iPhone and I've no idea where that went. So, to get things back to normal, I wanted to restore to early Thursday morning from my Time Capsule. I launched Time Machine from the Dock. My sighted wife and I could just not figure out how to get a restore going. Once in a while, we would get the restore button to stop being grey but when we clicked it, it didn't seem to do much of anything. I last restored my MacBook something like a year ago and my wife had to drive using the mouse. For no reason apparent to either of us we can't seem to figure out how to get the iMac restored. I wanted to restore the whole thing just to make sure that I am in the exact state I had been before installing the iTunes upgrade. So, can someone help with restoring? Also, why didn't the iTunes install find the previous libraries and settings? Happy Weekend, cdh --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
SL Upgrade
Hi, I think that when I installed SL on my iMac a strange thing started happening. Specifically, the volume seems to go back to a loud state even though I had lowered it in my previous session. I always shut down cleanly so I can't figure out why this happens. Please help. cdh --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Time Machine Restore
On 3 oct. 2009, at 21:53, Chris Hofstader wrote: So, can someone help with restoring? I am pretty sure you need to do a DVD reboot and then to select the Time Machine backup day of your choice to do a full system restore. If you just launch Time Machine and click on restore, you'll restore the files/folders that were selected when you did that but you can never be sure that you restored everything to normal. Jean-Christophe Helary --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iPhone, my first impression
On Oct 2, 2009, at 3:37 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, To the comment about blind people using a touchscreen. I know a couple of sighted people who don't find it such a good experience, either, so I guess it applies to blind and sighted folks alike. It also applies to people with partial sight too. I'm having a hard time forcing myself to both not rely on what vision I have while using the trackpad on my mbp or using the touch screen of an ipod touch or iphone. I don't have the latter though so I can't get used to it there. But still, the feature is available on my mbp. I get into trackpad commander and panic with things start moving really fast. Egun On, Lagunak! (Basque for G'day, Mates) Pete Nalda http://www.myspace.com/musikonalda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iPhone honored by NFB
Hi, I definitely share that opinion. I myself switched mainly because of the stability of the operating system, and the fact it had a built-in screen reader. I pretty much love VoiceOver now, and I'm grateful for Apple's obvious commitment to accessibility where different disabilities are concerned. They keep improving, adding new features and fixing bugs not just with the operating system, but also where VoiceOver is concerned. I'm constantly amazed with the fact that you can take out your newly purchased Mac, and have screen access immediately. Not just that, but you can reinstall it on your own without any assistance by use of your installation CD. I'm sure other operating systems have at least integrated speech. Windows, for instance, has Narrator. While that definitely is not an ideal solution, it can at least be used to set up your Windows machine. But it is only for basic troubleshooting and setting up your computer. If you want more functionality as a blind user at least, you are forced to either pay for a third-party screen reading solution, or have an agency approve the purchase and fund the screen reading application. Many people on different communities, especially communities full of blind users say the price for a screen reader is too high. It ranges from at least eight hundred dollars to a thousand. There are free solutions for Windows such as NVDA, though I don't recall how advanced they are and how they perform depending on the user's needs. Yes, maybe the price is too high. Probably. Why should Windows users have to pay an extra sum of money just to get screen access software? This bothers me immensely. Accessibility, in my opinion, is a right and not a privilege gained by money. These are definitely other reasons for my transition. Apple does not seem to have pushed VoiceOver aside, and focussed on everything else and leaving VoiceOver behind. Quite the contrary. I've been in contact with a lot of Windows users ever since I got my Mac, and who hasn't? I asked someone a month ago what he thought of the Macintosh computers. He said they were, to quote, unstable and preposterously hard to operate. I proceeded to ask him why. What didn't surprise me, was the fact he didn't actually know why he had that opinion. he just felt that way. I think it probably derives from being scared of trying out another operating system, or bad reviews like the review NFB did. I don't think anything has ever made me so shocked, not to mention angry due to the misinformation. Of course, there are the people who have tried the Mac seven years ago, didn't like it, and simply discarded it, never wanting to use it again regardless of the advance screen reader integrated that you don't have to buy. In general, I have definitely seen plenty of new Mac users pop out of the woods as of late, or saying I want a Mac!. One thing that does worry me ever since Snowy came out, though, is that VoiceOver now can be controlled by Apple script. I'm not exactly sure what the extent of it is, since I'm not much into Apple Script myself. If Apple Script can enhance accessibility in an application, I guess it's alright. If it needs to be scripted to make it even remotely accessible, then we're going down the Windows path. I definitely have mixed opinion about the latter, since Mac practically, in my opinion, itself is accessible with most applications out of the box with no scripts required. One more thing, strictly concerning VoiceOver. In the VoiceOver utility, you have the verbosity category. In the Text tab, you can find a popup button named When moving the cursor. You have two options. Speak text the cursor passes, or Speak text to the right of the cursor. I can see how this aids the transition of Windows to Mac users, but at the same time, VoiceOver is doing it the Windows way if changing the setting to Speak tex to the right of the cursor. In my opinion, this feature should definitely not be present. If Windows users switch to the Mac, then they should learn how the Mac really does things without VoiceOver changing the experience to mirror Windows. This is my opinion, and while it might have strayed slightly off-topic I think it's quite appropriate now that we're actually discussing technology. Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 1:46 PM, Chris Hofstader wrote: My thoughts exactly. I think the people who read AT reviews fall into two categories: people who work for AT companies/departments and people already using AT who are not likely to switch but enjoy keeping up with the technology conversations. Most purchasing decisions happen almost entirely apart from the users of AT who rarely are even asked for input. An odd phenomena though, is the growth of VO and people who seem new to computing or new to participating in discussions about such. Whenever a new person joins any
Re: iPhone, my first impression
Hi, Heh. I can definitely see how that can be confusing. Screen curtain? Three-finger double tap? Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Pete Nalda wrote: On Oct 2, 2009, at 3:37 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, To the comment about blind people using a touchscreen. I know a couple of sighted people who don't find it such a good experience, either, so I guess it applies to blind and sighted folks alike. It also applies to people with partial sight too. I'm having a hard time forcing myself to both not rely on what vision I have while using the trackpad on my mbp or using the touch screen of an ipod touch or iphone. I don't have the latter though so I can't get used to it there. But still, the feature is available on my mbp. I get into trackpad commander and panic with things start moving really fast. Egun On, Lagunak! (Basque for G'day, Mates) Pete Nalda http://www.myspace.com/musikonalda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: SL Upgrade
Hi, In my opinion, it is always best to install a clean version of an upgrade. Meaning, reformating the drive before the install. That way you don't get strange stuff happening. Well, you might not, but it's been seen before if you installed it as an upgrade. If you just upgraded and didn't do a clean install, that might be why. Keep in mind you will lose everything on your iMac, though, such as settings, documents, pictures and music. Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 2:55 PM, Chris Hofstader wrote: Hi, I think that when I installed SL on my iMac a strange thing started happening. Specifically, the volume seems to go back to a loud state even though I had lowered it in my previous session. I always shut down cleanly so I can't figure out why this happens. Please help. cdh --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Is a multi-touch trackpad on its way?
Hi folks, There's been some buz in the news lately about an upcoming refresh of Apple's mice. A few stories suggest we'll be getting some type of aluminum cased multi-touch devices. Here are a few links. http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/10/02/apple_plans_mighty_mouse_makeover.html http://www.switched.com/2009/10/03/apple-updating-the-mighty-mouse/ http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/10/rumor-apple-to-ship-multitouch-mice-with-new-imacs-soon/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iPhone honored by NFB
My local Apple store doesn't even know that Voiceover exists, well now they do, because I explained it to them. - Original Message - From: Chris Hofstader To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 6:46 AM Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB My thoughts exactly. I think the people who read AT reviews fall into two categories: people who work for AT companies/departments and people already using AT who are not likely to switch but enjoy keeping up with the technology conversations. Most purchasing decisions happen almost entirely apart from the users of AT who rarely are even asked for input. An odd phenomena though, is the growth of VO and people who seem new to computing or new to participating in discussions about such. Whenever a new person joins any of the three Apple related lists to which I subscribe, I make certain of taking notice of their name. Some are people I've known for years from lots of different lists. A whole lot, maybe even most, seem new to technology lists (I doubt too many are entirely new to computing as finding a list, getting signed up, etc. isn't obvious to the novice). I know that Apple stores are offering VO training because (I'm guessing) the local Lighthouse or other agencies aren't serving the Mac market. I'm working on a very large proposal for a really huge project that includes a lot of questions about populations and numbers of users on different AT with a variety of different disabilities. The only information I can get about Mac users with vision impairment comes from surveys which have the self selection problem (a lot of people do not fill out surveys) which may over or under-estimate MacinBlinks as we've no scientificly gathered data. Lighthouse and other training centers don't count Macintosh users as they do not train them so, as far as that class of NGO goes, we do not really exist. As millions of Macs have shipped since the first VO, we've no clue how many blinks are using them, how they are being used, etc. I would estimate, though, from my entirely unscientific survey of names on mailing lists that Mac is hitting a previously unserved population and doing so well enough for the users to spend time on lists helping each other out. I do not, however, know how many people are on these lists - the JAWS list has over 900 users last I looked and the Apple oriented seem to have a lot fewer. Of course, pointing back to the top of the message, if Mac is being used by tons of real novices, then we have no way to get a census of VO use. Ah... tangled webs and the like... cdh To wit: cdh On Oct 2, 2009, at 5:56 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: Apple has played the 'let the best technology win in the long run' game for a while. Maybe that's why they have about 5% market share. Most people don't care and just get what their network recommend. So those already leaning towards Apple will cite antagonism and those leaning away will consider it affirmation. Neither will move much based on one review. CB Cameron wrote: Hi. It's depressing to think about the potential number of people who after reading that awful so called review, will not end up giving the mac platform a shot. With all the work apple has done, and continues to do in terms of out of the box accessibility, this is quite unfair. Cameron. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rich Ring Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 7:06 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB I agree, but political entities, whether they are governments, political parties, or the NFB don't tend to admit to their mistakes. Unfortunate, but true. - Original Message - From: kaare dehard kaare.deh...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:54 PM Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB I think your right rich, however, their attempt to do this is rather sad since it would be easier to just admit that they are human like the rest of us, that an error was made, and then not repeat this. That certainly would have gone some ways to repairing damaged credibility. On 2009-09-30, at 7:14 PM, Rich Ring wrote: I believe that what you're seeing here is that they're trying to make up for the grave error they made with the Mac without in fact quite admitting they were wrong. You have to read between the lines a bit, but this is what I firmly believe. - Original Message - From: ben mustill-rose bmustillr...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 6:34 PM Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB I do find it rather funny that they slammed a program that ran on a device with a full sized qwerty keyboard yet there all over the iphone with its touch screen. O well - step in the right direction
Re: Is a multi-touch trackpad on its way?
Hi, I did wonder if there'd ever be external trackpads for iMac users, or those with older Macbooks and so on in general. Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 3:55 PM, Blake Sinnett wrote: Hi folks, There's been some buz in the news lately about an upcoming refresh of Apple's mice. A few stories suggest we'll be getting some type of aluminum cased multi-touch devices. Here are a few links. http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/10/02/apple_plans_mighty_mouse_makeover.html http://www.switched.com/2009/10/03/apple-updating-the-mighty-mouse/ http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/10/rumor-apple-to-ship-multitouch-mice-with-new-imacs-soon/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iPhone honored by NFB
Hi, Yes, same here. He knew a little about VoiceOver, but they didn't provide training if you required it. In fact, he didn't know how to turn it on, so I was glad I read through the entire VoiceOver manual before making the trip. Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 4:16 PM, Rich Ring wrote: My local Apple store doesn't even know that Voiceover exists, well now they do, because I explained it to them. - Original Message - From: Chris Hofstader To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 6:46 AM Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB My thoughts exactly. I think the people who read AT reviews fall into two categories: people who work for AT companies/departments and people already using AT who are not likely to switch but enjoy keeping up with the technology conversations. Most purchasing decisions happen almost entirely apart from the users of AT who rarely are even asked for input. An odd phenomena though, is the growth of VO and people who seem new to computing or new to participating in discussions about such. Whenever a new person joins any of the three Apple related lists to which I subscribe, I make certain of taking notice of their name. Some are people I've known for years from lots of different lists. A whole lot, maybe even most, seem new to technology lists (I doubt too many are entirely new to computing as finding a list, getting signed up, etc. isn't obvious to the novice). I know that Apple stores are offering VO training because (I'm guessing) the local Lighthouse or other agencies aren't serving the Mac market. I'm working on a very large proposal for a really huge project that includes a lot of questions about populations and numbers of users on different AT with a variety of different disabilities. The only information I can get about Mac users with vision impairment comes from surveys which have the self selection problem (a lot of people do not fill out surveys) which may over or under-estimate MacinBlinks as we've no scientificly gathered data. Lighthouse and other training centers don't count Macintosh users as they do not train them so, as far as that class of NGO goes, we do not really exist. As millions of Macs have shipped since the first VO, we've no clue how many blinks are using them, how they are being used, etc. I would estimate, though, from my entirely unscientific survey of names on mailing lists that Mac is hitting a previously unserved population and doing so well enough for the users to spend time on lists helping each other out. I do not, however, know how many people are on these lists - the JAWS list has over 900 users last I looked and the Apple oriented seem to have a lot fewer. Of course, pointing back to the top of the message, if Mac is being used by tons of real novices, then we have no way to get a census of VO use. Ah... tangled webs and the like... cdh To wit: cdh On Oct 2, 2009, at 5:56 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: Apple has played the 'let the best technology win in the long run' game for a while. Maybe that's why they have about 5% market share. Most people don't care and just get what their network recommend. So those already leaning towards Apple will cite antagonism and those leaning away will consider it affirmation. Neither will move much based on one review. CB Cameron wrote: Hi. It's depressing to think about the potential number of people who after reading that awful so called review, will not end up giving the mac platform a shot. With all the work apple has done, and continues to do in terms of out of the box accessibility, this is quite unfair. Cameron. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rich Ring Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 7:06 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB I agree, but political entities, whether they are governments, political parties, or the NFB don't tend to admit to their mistakes. Unfortunate, but true. - Original Message - From: kaare dehard kaare.deh...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:54 PM Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB I think your right rich, however, their attempt to do this is rather sad since it would be easier to just admit that they are human like the rest of us, that an error was made, and then not repeat this. That certainly would have gone some ways to repairing damaged credibility. On 2009-09-30, at 7:14 PM, Rich Ring wrote: I believe that what you're seeing here is that they're trying to make up for the grave error they made with the Mac without in fact quite admitting they were wrong. You have to read between the lines a bit, but this is what I firmly believe. - Original
Re: Time Machine Restore
How do I pick the date? When I open Time Machine, VO reads it sort of like a bunch of Finder windows were opened and, without my wife, I can't even find the restore button. What do I need to do to do a DVD boot? On Oct 3, 2009, at 9:05 AM, JC Helary wrote: On 3 oct. 2009, at 21:53, Chris Hofstader wrote: So, can someone help with restoring? I am pretty sure you need to do a DVD reboot and then to select the Time Machine backup day of your choice to do a full system restore. If you just launch Time Machine and click on restore, you'll restore the files/folders that were selected when you did that but you can never be sure that you restored everything to normal. Jean-Christophe Helary --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Time Machine Restore
Hi Insert the DVD into your drive. When starting up your Mac, when you hear the usual startup tone you hold down the C-key and the drive should start spinning. After a couple of minutes you should be in the Language Chooser, if all goes well and you can then start VoiceOver. Hope it works for you. Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 5:48 PM, Chris Hofstader wrote: How do I pick the date? When I open Time Machine, VO reads it sort of like a bunch of Finder windows were opened and, without my wife, I can't even find the restore button. What do I need to do to do a DVD boot? On Oct 3, 2009, at 9:05 AM, JC Helary wrote: On 3 oct. 2009, at 21:53, Chris Hofstader wrote: So, can someone help with restoring? I am pretty sure you need to do a DVD reboot and then to select the Time Machine backup day of your choice to do a full system restore. If you just launch Time Machine and click on restore, you'll restore the files/folders that were selected when you did that but you can never be sure that you restored everything to normal. Jean-Christophe Helary --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Latest article on using the Mac from the Braille Monitor
Here is the link: http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Publications/bm/bm09/bm0909/bm090907.htm --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The Accent Key
Can you try using and playing around in keyboard help to see if you find the key combination that will work? Christina On Oct 2, 2009, at 5:52 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi Søren Well, it says it's accent now, and it's supposed to be around somewhere. I guess for those with the accent key in its usual place, it works fine. I guess I could switch to an American keyboard and do it, but that'd be rather inconvenient since the layout obviously won't be the same. Thanks Everyone. Hopefully, someone is bound to figure it out. Regards, Nic On Oct 2, 2009, at 2:48 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: Hi Nicolai. In Leopard, you could use command and then the key just to the right of the left shift key. But they have broke this in Snowleopard for some annoying reason. They might have moved the key. I'll let you know if I find the key they might have moved. Best regards Søren Jensen Mail MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ On Oct 2, 2009, at 1:33 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hello, happy Apple people After obtaining my Mac a little while ago, I quickly found out that the different punctuation signs and so-forth are laid out quite differently in many cases. For example, on my Danish keyboard layout, the key that is named the Section symbol on an American layout, is, for some interesting reason, the dollar sign, where as dollar is also option-shift-3, and the section symbol is option-3 and the dollar sign, right underneath escape. My question is this. You are supposedly able to switch between windows in the application you are in, if multiple windows for that application happen to be open by utilizing Command-accent, I believe, according to the Mac help. If anyone is Danish around here, can anyone tell me where the accent key is located on the Danish layout? I can't figure it out. I've played around with the different key combinations for some time, but I haven't found it yet. Thanks. Regards, Nic --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The Accent Key
Hi, I meant the help said it's the accent key. I don't see it in keyboard help, though. It's probably some odd combination I haven't tried out yet. Thing is, this keyboard does not have an accent key, as such. Most likely to simulate the accent key, another key has to be pressed as well. Which is the problem. Because I'm sure it's around somewhere. Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 8:45 PM, Christina wrote: Can you try using and playing around in keyboard help to see if you find the key combination that will work? Christina On Oct 2, 2009, at 5:52 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi Søren Well, it says it's accent now, and it's supposed to be around somewhere. I guess for those with the accent key in its usual place, it works fine. I guess I could switch to an American keyboard and do it, but that'd be rather inconvenient since the layout obviously won't be the same. Thanks Everyone. Hopefully, someone is bound to figure it out. Regards, Nic On Oct 2, 2009, at 2:48 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: Hi Nicolai. In Leopard, you could use command and then the key just to the right of the left shift key. But they have broke this in Snowleopard for some annoying reason. They might have moved the key. I'll let you know if I find the key they might have moved. Best regards Søren Jensen Mail MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ On Oct 2, 2009, at 1:33 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hello, happy Apple people After obtaining my Mac a little while ago, I quickly found out that the different punctuation signs and so-forth are laid out quite differently in many cases. For example, on my Danish keyboard layout, the key that is named the Section symbol on an American layout, is, for some interesting reason, the dollar sign, where as dollar is also option-shift-3, and the section symbol is option-3 and the dollar sign, right underneath escape. My question is this. You are supposedly able to switch between windows in the application you are in, if multiple windows for that application happen to be open by utilizing Command-accent, I believe, according to the Mac help. If anyone is Danish around here, can anyone tell me where the accent key is located on the Danish layout? I can't figure it out. I've played around with the different key combinations for some time, but I haven't found it yet. Thanks. Regards, Nic --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The Accent Key
Hi, Actually, I found it. The English version of the help says accent, at least when I read it. But apparently it's actually the tilde key, which is located right to the left of delete. I can't be the only Danish person here wanting to know. Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 9:07 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, I meant the help said it's the accent key. I don't see it in keyboard help, though. It's probably some odd combination I haven't tried out yet. Thing is, this keyboard does not have an accent key, as such. Most likely to simulate the accent key, another key has to be pressed as well. Which is the problem. Because I'm sure it's around somewhere. Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 8:45 PM, Christina wrote: Can you try using and playing around in keyboard help to see if you find the key combination that will work? Christina On Oct 2, 2009, at 5:52 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi Søren Well, it says it's accent now, and it's supposed to be around somewhere. I guess for those with the accent key in its usual place, it works fine. I guess I could switch to an American keyboard and do it, but that'd be rather inconvenient since the layout obviously won't be the same. Thanks Everyone. Hopefully, someone is bound to figure it out. Regards, Nic On Oct 2, 2009, at 2:48 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: Hi Nicolai. In Leopard, you could use command and then the key just to the right of the left shift key. But they have broke this in Snowleopard for some annoying reason. They might have moved the key. I'll let you know if I find the key they might have moved. Best regards Søren Jensen Mail MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ On Oct 2, 2009, at 1:33 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hello, happy Apple people After obtaining my Mac a little while ago, I quickly found out that the different punctuation signs and so-forth are laid out quite differently in many cases. For example, on my Danish keyboard layout, the key that is named the Section symbol on an American layout, is, for some interesting reason, the dollar sign, where as dollar is also option-shift-3, and the section symbol is option-3 and the dollar sign, right underneath escape. My question is this. You are supposedly able to switch between windows in the application you are in, if multiple windows for that application happen to be open by utilizing Command-accent, I believe, according to the Mac help. If anyone is Danish around here, can anyone tell me where the accent key is located on the Danish layout? I can't figure it out. I've played around with the different key combinations for some time, but I haven't found it yet. Thanks. Regards, Nic --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Time Machine Restore
Thanks but what I cannot figure out is how to pick a restoration date in Time Machine or, for that matter, find the restore button. Before reading your DVD suggestion, my wife got the restore in Time Machine and things seem quite weird - Finder says my Macintosh HD has almost twice as much free space as it did this morning. I'm alone and was hoping someone can help me figure out how to use TM without sighted assistance. cdh On Oct 3, 2009, at 11:53 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi Insert the DVD into your drive. When starting up your Mac, when you hear the usual startup tone you hold down the C-key and the drive should start spinning. After a couple of minutes you should be in the Language Chooser, if all goes well and you can then start VoiceOver. Hope it works for you. Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 5:48 PM, Chris Hofstader wrote: How do I pick the date? When I open Time Machine, VO reads it sort of like a bunch of Finder windows were opened and, without my wife, I can't even find the restore button. What do I need to do to do a DVD boot? On Oct 3, 2009, at 9:05 AM, JC Helary wrote: On 3 oct. 2009, at 21:53, Chris Hofstader wrote: So, can someone help with restoring? I am pretty sure you need to do a DVD reboot and then to select the Time Machine backup day of your choice to do a full system restore. If you just launch Time Machine and click on restore, you'll restore the files/folders that were selected when you did that but you can never be sure that you restored everything to normal. Jean-Christophe Helary --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The Accent Key
I'm glad you found it. You can also use vo plus F2. Do this twice and a menu opens up with the window titles listed. This isn't just as fast but I find it helpful at times when I have a lot of windows open in Safari. On Oct 3, 2009, at 12:28 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, Actually, I found it. The English version of the help says accent, at least when I read it. But apparently it's actually the tilde key, which is located right to the left of delete. I can't be the only Danish person here wanting to know. Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 9:07 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, I meant the help said it's the accent key. I don't see it in keyboard help, though. It's probably some odd combination I haven't tried out yet. Thing is, this keyboard does not have an accent key, as such. Most likely to simulate the accent key, another key has to be pressed as well. Which is the problem. Because I'm sure it's around somewhere. Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 8:45 PM, Christina wrote: Can you try using and playing around in keyboard help to see if you find the key combination that will work? Christina On Oct 2, 2009, at 5:52 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi Søren Well, it says it's accent now, and it's supposed to be around somewhere. I guess for those with the accent key in its usual place, it works fine. I guess I could switch to an American keyboard and do it, but that'd be rather inconvenient since the layout obviously won't be the same. Thanks Everyone. Hopefully, someone is bound to figure it out. Regards, Nic On Oct 2, 2009, at 2:48 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: Hi Nicolai. In Leopard, you could use command and then the key just to the right of the left shift key. But they have broke this in Snowleopard for some annoying reason. They might have moved the key. I'll let you know if I find the key they might have moved. Best regards Søren Jensen Mail MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ On Oct 2, 2009, at 1:33 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hello, happy Apple people After obtaining my Mac a little while ago, I quickly found out that the different punctuation signs and so-forth are laid out quite differently in many cases. For example, on my Danish keyboard layout, the key that is named the Section symbol on an American layout, is, for some interesting reason, the dollar sign, where as dollar is also option-shift-3, and the section symbol is option-3 and the dollar sign, right underneath escape. My question is this. You are supposedly able to switch between windows in the application you are in, if multiple windows for that application happen to be open by utilizing Command-accent, I believe, according to the Mac help. If anyone is Danish around here, can anyone tell me where the accent key is located on the Danish layout? I can't figure it out. I've played around with the different key combinations for some time, but I haven't found it yet. Thanks. Regards, Nic --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Latest article on using the Mac from the Braille Monitor
Well, it's not a retraction, but at least some things have been put right in this article. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rich Ring Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 1:55 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Latest article on using the Mac from the Braille Monitor Here is the link: http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Publications/bm/bm09/bm0909/bm090907.htm --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The Accent Key
Hi, For some reason, the Window Chooser does not work for me. It displays no items at all. This is why I haven't used it or attempted to use it, ever since I installed Snowy. For some reason, it also takes a couple of seconds to bring up the window. But yeah. I was looking for that command a long time ago mainly because of this issue. Sometimes, it magically works, though nine out of ten it does not. Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 9:59 PM, Christina wrote: I'm glad you found it. You can also use vo plus F2. Do this twice and a menu opens up with the window titles listed. This isn't just as fast but I find it helpful at times when I have a lot of windows open in Safari. On Oct 3, 2009, at 12:28 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, Actually, I found it. The English version of the help says accent, at least when I read it. But apparently it's actually the tilde key, which is located right to the left of delete. I can't be the only Danish person here wanting to know. Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 9:07 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, I meant the help said it's the accent key. I don't see it in keyboard help, though. It's probably some odd combination I haven't tried out yet. Thing is, this keyboard does not have an accent key, as such. Most likely to simulate the accent key, another key has to be pressed as well. Which is the problem. Because I'm sure it's around somewhere. Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 8:45 PM, Christina wrote: Can you try using and playing around in keyboard help to see if you find the key combination that will work? Christina On Oct 2, 2009, at 5:52 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi Søren Well, it says it's accent now, and it's supposed to be around somewhere. I guess for those with the accent key in its usual place, it works fine. I guess I could switch to an American keyboard and do it, but that'd be rather inconvenient since the layout obviously won't be the same. Thanks Everyone. Hopefully, someone is bound to figure it out. Regards, Nic On Oct 2, 2009, at 2:48 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: Hi Nicolai. In Leopard, you could use command and then the key just to the right of the left shift key. But they have broke this in Snowleopard for some annoying reason. They might have moved the key. I'll let you know if I find the key they might have moved. Best regards Søren Jensen Mail MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ On Oct 2, 2009, at 1:33 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hello, happy Apple people After obtaining my Mac a little while ago, I quickly found out that the different punctuation signs and so-forth are laid out quite differently in many cases. For example, on my Danish keyboard layout, the key that is named the Section symbol on an American layout, is, for some interesting reason, the dollar sign, where as dollar is also option-shift-3, and the section symbol is option-3 and the dollar sign, right underneath escape. My question is this. You are supposedly able to switch between windows in the application you are in, if multiple windows for that application happen to be open by utilizing Command-accent, I believe, according to the Mac help. If anyone is Danish around here, can anyone tell me where the accent key is located on the Danish layout? I can't figure it out. I've played around with the different key combinations for some time, but I haven't found it yet. Thanks. Regards, Nic --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Time Machine Restore
Hi, I don't use Time Machine, personally, I use SuperDuper!. But I can make a Time Machine backup to try it out. Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 9:49 PM, Chris Hofstader wrote: Thanks but what I cannot figure out is how to pick a restoration date in Time Machine or, for that matter, find the restore button. Before reading your DVD suggestion, my wife got the restore in Time Machine and things seem quite weird - Finder says my Macintosh HD has almost twice as much free space as it did this morning. I'm alone and was hoping someone can help me figure out how to use TM without sighted assistance. cdh On Oct 3, 2009, at 11:53 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi Insert the DVD into your drive. When starting up your Mac, when you hear the usual startup tone you hold down the C-key and the drive should start spinning. After a couple of minutes you should be in the Language Chooser, if all goes well and you can then start VoiceOver. Hope it works for you. Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 5:48 PM, Chris Hofstader wrote: How do I pick the date? When I open Time Machine, VO reads it sort of like a bunch of Finder windows were opened and, without my wife, I can't even find the restore button. What do I need to do to do a DVD boot? On Oct 3, 2009, at 9:05 AM, JC Helary wrote: On 3 oct. 2009, at 21:53, Chris Hofstader wrote: So, can someone help with restoring? I am pretty sure you need to do a DVD reboot and then to select the Time Machine backup day of your choice to do a full system restore. If you just launch Time Machine and click on restore, you'll restore the files/folders that were selected when you did that but you can never be sure that you restored everything to normal. Jean-Christophe Helary --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The Accent Key
Sounds weird to me. The window chooser works fine here, both in english and danish. It's really annoying that Apple have broke the command accent command on the danish keyboard. I wanna write to hthem regarding the issue, but I don't really know how to explain it to a person who don't know the danish keyboard. Best regards Søren Jensen Mail MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ On Oct 3, 2009, at 10:12 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, For some reason, the Window Chooser does not work for me. It displays no items at all. This is why I haven't used it or attempted to use it, ever since I installed Snowy. For some reason, it also takes a couple of seconds to bring up the window. But yeah. I was looking for that command a long time ago mainly because of this issue. Sometimes, it magically works, though nine out of ten it does not. Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 9:59 PM, Christina wrote: I'm glad you found it. You can also use vo plus F2. Do this twice and a menu opens up with the window titles listed. This isn't just as fast but I find it helpful at times when I have a lot of windows open in Safari. On Oct 3, 2009, at 12:28 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, Actually, I found it. The English version of the help says accent, at least when I read it. But apparently it's actually the tilde key, which is located right to the left of delete. I can't be the only Danish person here wanting to know. Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 9:07 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, I meant the help said it's the accent key. I don't see it in keyboard help, though. It's probably some odd combination I haven't tried out yet. Thing is, this keyboard does not have an accent key, as such. Most likely to simulate the accent key, another key has to be pressed as well. Which is the problem. Because I'm sure it's around somewhere. Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 8:45 PM, Christina wrote: Can you try using and playing around in keyboard help to see if you find the key combination that will work? Christina On Oct 2, 2009, at 5:52 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi Søren Well, it says it's accent now, and it's supposed to be around somewhere. I guess for those with the accent key in its usual place, it works fine. I guess I could switch to an American keyboard and do it, but that'd be rather inconvenient since the layout obviously won't be the same. Thanks Everyone. Hopefully, someone is bound to figure it out. Regards, Nic On Oct 2, 2009, at 2:48 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: Hi Nicolai. In Leopard, you could use command and then the key just to the right of the left shift key. But they have broke this in Snowleopard for some annoying reason. They might have moved the key. I'll let you know if I find the key they might have moved. Best regards Søren Jensen Mail MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ On Oct 2, 2009, at 1:33 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hello, happy Apple people After obtaining my Mac a little while ago, I quickly found out that the different punctuation signs and so-forth are laid out quite differently in many cases. For example, on my Danish keyboard layout, the key that is named the Section symbol on an American layout, is, for some interesting reason, the dollar sign, where as dollar is also option-shift-3, and the section symbol is option-3 and the dollar sign, right underneath escape. My question is this. You are supposedly able to switch between windows in the application you are in, if multiple windows for that application happen to be open by utilizing Command-accent, I believe, according to the Mac help. If anyone is Danish around here, can anyone tell me where the accent key is located on the Danish layout? I can't figure it out. I've played around with the different key combinations for some time, but I haven't found it yet. Thanks. Regards, Nic --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The Accent Key
Hi, I'm not exactly sure what it is, either, but it can sometimes be annoying. One thing is for certain. I'm definitely getting well- acquainted with the Window menu in applications. :) Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 10:20 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: Sounds weird to me. The window chooser works fine here, both in english and danish. It's really annoying that Apple have broke the command accent command on the danish keyboard. I wanna write to hthem regarding the issue, but I don't really know how to explain it to a person who don't know the danish keyboard. Best regards Søren Jensen Mail MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ On Oct 3, 2009, at 10:12 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, For some reason, the Window Chooser does not work for me. It displays no items at all. This is why I haven't used it or attempted to use it, ever since I installed Snowy. For some reason, it also takes a couple of seconds to bring up the window. But yeah. I was looking for that command a long time ago mainly because of this issue. Sometimes, it magically works, though nine out of ten it does not. Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 9:59 PM, Christina wrote: I'm glad you found it. You can also use vo plus F2. Do this twice and a menu opens up with the window titles listed. This isn't just as fast but I find it helpful at times when I have a lot of windows open in Safari. On Oct 3, 2009, at 12:28 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, Actually, I found it. The English version of the help says accent, at least when I read it. But apparently it's actually the tilde key, which is located right to the left of delete. I can't be the only Danish person here wanting to know. Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 9:07 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, I meant the help said it's the accent key. I don't see it in keyboard help, though. It's probably some odd combination I haven't tried out yet. Thing is, this keyboard does not have an accent key, as such. Most likely to simulate the accent key, another key has to be pressed as well. Which is the problem. Because I'm sure it's around somewhere. Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 8:45 PM, Christina wrote: Can you try using and playing around in keyboard help to see if you find the key combination that will work? Christina On Oct 2, 2009, at 5:52 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi Søren Well, it says it's accent now, and it's supposed to be around somewhere. I guess for those with the accent key in its usual place, it works fine. I guess I could switch to an American keyboard and do it, but that'd be rather inconvenient since the layout obviously won't be the same. Thanks Everyone. Hopefully, someone is bound to figure it out. Regards, Nic On Oct 2, 2009, at 2:48 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: Hi Nicolai. In Leopard, you could use command and then the key just to the right of the left shift key. But they have broke this in Snowleopard for some annoying reason. They might have moved the key. I'll let you know if I find the key they might have moved. Best regards Søren Jensen Mail MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ On Oct 2, 2009, at 1:33 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hello, happy Apple people After obtaining my Mac a little while ago, I quickly found out that the different punctuation signs and so-forth are laid out quite differently in many cases. For example, on my Danish keyboard layout, the key that is named the Section symbol on an American layout, is, for some interesting reason, the dollar sign, where as dollar is also option-shift-3, and the section symbol is option-3 and the dollar sign, right underneath escape. My question is this. You are supposedly able to switch between windows in the application you are in, if multiple windows for that application happen to be open by utilizing Command-accent, I believe, according to the Mac help. If anyone is Danish around here, can anyone tell me where the accent key is located on the Danish layout? I can't figure it out. I've played around with the different key combinations for some time, but I haven't found it yet. Thanks. Regards, Nic --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Time Machine Restore
Thanks. On Oct 3, 2009, at 4:13 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, I don't use Time Machine, personally, I use SuperDuper!. But I can make a Time Machine backup to try it out. Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 9:49 PM, Chris Hofstader wrote: Thanks but what I cannot figure out is how to pick a restoration date in Time Machine or, for that matter, find the restore button. Before reading your DVD suggestion, my wife got the restore in Time Machine and things seem quite weird - Finder says my Macintosh HD has almost twice as much free space as it did this morning. I'm alone and was hoping someone can help me figure out how to use TM without sighted assistance. cdh On Oct 3, 2009, at 11:53 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi Insert the DVD into your drive. When starting up your Mac, when you hear the usual startup tone you hold down the C-key and the drive should start spinning. After a couple of minutes you should be in the Language Chooser, if all goes well and you can then start VoiceOver. Hope it works for you. Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 5:48 PM, Chris Hofstader wrote: How do I pick the date? When I open Time Machine, VO reads it sort of like a bunch of Finder windows were opened and, without my wife, I can't even find the restore button. What do I need to do to do a DVD boot? On Oct 3, 2009, at 9:05 AM, JC Helary wrote: On 3 oct. 2009, at 21:53, Chris Hofstader wrote: So, can someone help with restoring? I am pretty sure you need to do a DVD reboot and then to select the Time Machine backup day of your choice to do a full system restore. If you just launch Time Machine and click on restore, you'll restore the files/folders that were selected when you did that but you can never be sure that you restored everything to normal. Jean-Christophe Helary --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Read iris 12 pro again.
Hi Søren and Anne. The only message i get is that read iris has no windows. As I understand it, I should be able to open the progrem, wether it finds a scanner or not, is that not true? I ought to be able to registrate the program. I am a bit confused. I am really disappointed. I will try to get the money back for the program, but most of all, I would have loved, if I could use the program. I am scanning a lot of books evry month, and I wuld love to use my mac for that. Best regards Annie. 2009/10/3, Søren Jensen s...@coolfortheblind.dk: Hi Anni. Have you checked if there are more than one window opened when you try to open Readiris? You can try to bring up the window chooser by pressing vo f2 twice and see if there are any alerts you have to read before the program opens. Best regards Søren Jensen Mail MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ On Oct 2, 2009, at 11:42 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote: Hi again. Now I have reinstalled my mac, but it has not helped. I have downloaded read iris 12, and installed it, but I can still not open the program. What can I have done wrong. Can it be something with a cursor, any hint would be wellcome. Best regards Annie. 2009/10/2, Annie Skov Nielsen annieskovniel...@gmail.com: Hi again. I have decided to try to reinstall my mac. When I have reinstalled it, I will try to install read iris at first before anything else. But do I have to install vuescan before read iris. Best regards Annie. 2009/10/2, Annie Skov Nielsen annieskovniel...@gmail.com: Hi anne. I also have to use vuescan. Because I can not find any driver for my scanner and mac, but it works perfect in vuescan. But what happens to me is that iris read does not open, when I try to open it. I have snowleopard and a macbook pro, with a verry quick processor. I have serial numbers and all I need, would it be possible that you could send me the downloadlink, from where you downloaded read iris. Best regards Annie. 2009/10/2, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk: Hello Annie, Readiris 12 does work with Snow Leopard. I installed it this morning on a MacBook. However, there may be a problem with your scanner driver. I had to download the latest driver for the scanner, and even then, I needed to use Vuescan to be able to access the scanner driver. So, to make things clear, I use Vuescan to capture the image, and Readiris to perform the OCR. I'm using a Canon scanner. Cheers, Anne On Oct 2, 2009, at 12:37 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote: Hi all. I have now bought read iris 12 pro for mac. But I have problems with it. I have installed it, but I can not run the program. I do not know if it has something to do with voiceover. I have contacted technical support, but I have not got any answer from them yet. Do any of you have any suggestions for what I can try? Best regards Annie. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
creating libraries and switching between libraries in itues?
hello how do I accomplish these 2 tasks? I want several libraries for different purposes how do I do this in itunes also how do I switch librieis? also how do I name the default library it is using now? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: creating libraries and switching between libraries in itues?
Hi, Find your file menu in iTunes, and you can either make smart playlists, which are playlist that will update automatically depending on certain criteria such as year, artist, and album or simply make a playlist that keeps track of different things, though you will have to add files to it manually. As for switching libraries, you simply go to the sources table and arrow down until you have found the desired library. Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 11:38 PM, hank smith wrote: hello how do I accomplish these 2 tasks? I want several libraries for different purposes how do I do this in itunes also how do I switch librieis? also how do I name the default library it is using now? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
usb touch pad for mac?
where can I get one for mac?? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: usb touch pad for mac?
Hi, I haven't heard of any USB trackpads yet. If they do exist, though, I hope someone can enlighten me. Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 11:43 PM, hank smith wrote: where can I get one for mac?? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Playing a DVD
with dvd player, which should pop up when you insert your dvd. Press enter to play the first title, and off you go. DVD player is a 100% accessible app. I used it to learn menu bars and other simple consepts on the mac and have a bit of a soft spot for it. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 2009-10-02, at 9:44 AM, Rich Ring wrote: Hello: I received a DVD for my birthday. All I want to do is play it. How does one accomplish this seemingly simple task on the Mac? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Latest article on using the Mac from the Braille Monitor
did they bash it again? - Original Message - From: Rich Ring richr...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 10:55 AM Subject: Latest article on using the Mac from the Braille Monitor Here is the link: http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Publications/bm/bm09/bm0909/bm090907.htm --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Latest article on using the Mac from the Braille Monitor
Hi, It's a Mac user who wrote it. No, he definitely didn't. Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 11:50 PM, hank smith wrote: did they bash it again? - Original Message - From: Rich Ring richr...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 10:55 AM Subject: Latest article on using the Mac from the Braille Monitor Here is the link: http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Publications/bm/bm09/bm0909/ bm090907.htm --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Playing a DVD
Didn't work for me, I kept receiving initialization errors. - Original Message - From: erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 10:18 AM Subject: Re: Playing a DVD with dvd player, which should pop up when you insert your dvd. Press enter to play the first title, and off you go. DVD player is a 100% accessible app. I used it to learn menu bars and other simple consepts on the mac and have a bit of a soft spot for it. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 2009-10-02, at 9:44 AM, Rich Ring wrote: Hello: I received a DVD for my birthday. All I want to do is play it. How does one accomplish this seemingly simple task on the Mac? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: usb touch pad for mac?
I don't think you can get any usb touchpad, but you can use an Iphone as a touchpad for your Mac. Best regards Søren Jensen Mail MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ On Oct 3, 2009, at 11:45 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, I haven't heard of any USB trackpads yet. If they do exist, though, I hope someone can enlighten me. Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 11:43 PM, hank smith wrote: where can I get one for mac?? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Latest article on using the Mac from the Braille Monitor
Thanks, Rich, for posting this link to the Braille Monitor. For those of you who have not yet read the article, The Braille Monitor invited a commentary on the original article from a Mac user (who is a member of this list, and who some of you may recognize as the host of the ATMaine access technology podcasts and from his appearances on the Mac- cessibility and Screenless Switcher podcasts). It's well written, and you can also download the mp3 version of the article. The direct link to the mp3 file, which may be too long to use from mail, is: https://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Audio/Braille_Monitor/2009/October/07_A_Second_Look_At_Apples_Voiceover.mp3 You can alternatively go to the table of contents for the latest Braille Monitor at: http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Publications/bm/bm09/bm0909/bm0909tc.htm Then use item chooser menu to look for A Second Look at Apple’s VoiceOver, VO-RIght arrow to the Listen Now link, and press Option- Return to download the mp3 file. Cheers, Esther --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: usb touch pad for mac?
Hi, An applcation for the Mac called Snatch, allows the iPhone to function as a wireless trackpad, albeit an overfeatured one. That is the one way recall you can do it, but I don't know it if it accessible. http://hoofien.com/Snatch/Home.html Definitely feel free to try it out. I'm curious about this one. There might be easier ways to do it, and I'd like to hear them. Regards, Nic On Oct 4, 2009, at 1:07 AM, May McDonald wrote: How do you do that? On 3-Oct-09, at 3:07 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: I don't think you can get any usb touchpad, but you can use an Iphone as a touchpad for your Mac. Best regards Søren Jensen Mail MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ On Oct 3, 2009, at 11:45 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, I haven't heard of any USB trackpads yet. If they do exist, though, I hope someone can enlighten me. Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 11:43 PM, hank smith wrote: where can I get one for mac?? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: usb touch pad for mac?
I'll try it and see if it works. On 3-Oct-09, at 4:12 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, An applcation for the Mac called Snatch, allows the iPhone to function as a wireless trackpad, albeit an overfeatured one. That is the one way recall you can do it, but I don't know it if it accessible. http://hoofien.com/Snatch/Home.html Definitely feel free to try it out. I'm curious about this one. There might be easier ways to do it, and I'd like to hear them. Regards, Nic On Oct 4, 2009, at 1:07 AM, May McDonald wrote: How do you do that? On 3-Oct-09, at 3:07 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: I don't think you can get any usb touchpad, but you can use an Iphone as a touchpad for your Mac. Best regards Søren Jensen Mail MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ On Oct 3, 2009, at 11:45 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, I haven't heard of any USB trackpads yet. If they do exist, though, I hope someone can enlighten me. Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 11:43 PM, hank smith wrote: where can I get one for mac?? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: usb touch pad for mac?
Hi, Great. It seems like it's supposed to do just what it is asking for. Hopefully it will actually be recognized. Regards, Nic On Oct 4, 2009, at 1:13 AM, May McDonald wrote: I'll try it and see if it works. On 3-Oct-09, at 4:12 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, An applcation for the Mac called Snatch, allows the iPhone to function as a wireless trackpad, albeit an overfeatured one. That is the one way recall you can do it, but I don't know it if it accessible. http://hoofien.com/Snatch/Home.html Definitely feel free to try it out. I'm curious about this one. There might be easier ways to do it, and I'd like to hear them. Regards, Nic On Oct 4, 2009, at 1:07 AM, May McDonald wrote: How do you do that? On 3-Oct-09, at 3:07 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: I don't think you can get any usb touchpad, but you can use an Iphone as a touchpad for your Mac. Best regards Søren Jensen Mail MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ On Oct 3, 2009, at 11:45 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, I haven't heard of any USB trackpads yet. If they do exist, though, I hope someone can enlighten me. Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 11:43 PM, hank smith wrote: where can I get one for mac?? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: usb touch pad for mac?
Hi, I just downloaded the app, and it seems to be extremely accessible. Now, as I said, I do not have an iPhone but even connecting seems to be working smoothly. Doesn't look like people should have any issues. Regards, Nic On Oct 4, 2009, at 1:15 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, Great. It seems like it's supposed to do just what it is asking for. Hopefully it will actually be recognized. Regards, Nic On Oct 4, 2009, at 1:13 AM, May McDonald wrote: I'll try it and see if it works. On 3-Oct-09, at 4:12 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, An applcation for the Mac called Snatch, allows the iPhone to function as a wireless trackpad, albeit an overfeatured one. That is the one way recall you can do it, but I don't know it if it accessible. http://hoofien.com/Snatch/Home.html Definitely feel free to try it out. I'm curious about this one. There might be easier ways to do it, and I'd like to hear them. Regards, Nic On Oct 4, 2009, at 1:07 AM, May McDonald wrote: How do you do that? On 3-Oct-09, at 3:07 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: I don't think you can get any usb touchpad, but you can use an Iphone as a touchpad for your Mac. Best regards Søren Jensen Mail MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ On Oct 3, 2009, at 11:45 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, I haven't heard of any USB trackpads yet. If they do exist, though, I hope someone can enlighten me. Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 11:43 PM, hank smith wrote: where can I get one for mac?? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: usb touch pad for mac?
I also have it installed but can't figure out how to get it to see my IPhone. Another new thing to figure out, lol. On 3-Oct-09, at 4:20 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, I just downloaded the app, and it seems to be extremely accessible. Now, as I said, I do not have an iPhone but even connecting seems to be working smoothly. Doesn't look like people should have any issues. Regards, Nic On Oct 4, 2009, at 1:15 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, Great. It seems like it's supposed to do just what it is asking for. Hopefully it will actually be recognized. Regards, Nic On Oct 4, 2009, at 1:13 AM, May McDonald wrote: I'll try it and see if it works. On 3-Oct-09, at 4:12 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, An applcation for the Mac called Snatch, allows the iPhone to function as a wireless trackpad, albeit an overfeatured one. That is the one way recall you can do it, but I don't know it if it accessible. http://hoofien.com/Snatch/Home.html Definitely feel free to try it out. I'm curious about this one. There might be easier ways to do it, and I'd like to hear them. Regards, Nic On Oct 4, 2009, at 1:07 AM, May McDonald wrote: How do you do that? On 3-Oct-09, at 3:07 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: I don't think you can get any usb touchpad, but you can use an Iphone as a touchpad for your Mac. Best regards Søren Jensen Mail MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ On Oct 3, 2009, at 11:45 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, I haven't heard of any USB trackpads yet. If they do exist, though, I hope someone can enlighten me. Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 11:43 PM, hank smith wrote: where can I get one for mac?? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: usb touch pad for mac?
Hi, I'd imagine you have to use the IP provided when starting the server to connect the iPhone or iPod. I have no idea how that's accomplished, though. I supposed I really should check the manual. Regards, Nic On Oct 4, 2009, at 1:33 AM, May McDonald wrote: I also have it installed but can't figure out how to get it to see my IPhone. Another new thing to figure out, lol. On 3-Oct-09, at 4:20 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, I just downloaded the app, and it seems to be extremely accessible. Now, as I said, I do not have an iPhone but even connecting seems to be working smoothly. Doesn't look like people should have any issues. Regards, Nic On Oct 4, 2009, at 1:15 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, Great. It seems like it's supposed to do just what it is asking for. Hopefully it will actually be recognized. Regards, Nic On Oct 4, 2009, at 1:13 AM, May McDonald wrote: I'll try it and see if it works. On 3-Oct-09, at 4:12 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, An applcation for the Mac called Snatch, allows the iPhone to function as a wireless trackpad, albeit an overfeatured one. That is the one way recall you can do it, but I don't know it if it accessible. http://hoofien.com/Snatch/Home.html Definitely feel free to try it out. I'm curious about this one. There might be easier ways to do it, and I'd like to hear them. Regards, Nic On Oct 4, 2009, at 1:07 AM, May McDonald wrote: How do you do that? On 3-Oct-09, at 3:07 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: I don't think you can get any usb touchpad, but you can use an Iphone as a touchpad for your Mac. Best regards Søren Jensen Mail MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ On Oct 3, 2009, at 11:45 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, I haven't heard of any USB trackpads yet. If they do exist, though, I hope someone can enlighten me. Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 11:43 PM, hank smith wrote: where can I get one for mac?? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: usb touch pad for mac?
Hi, I have discovered the mistery. You have to buy the Snatch application if you want the fully-featured trackpad. The light one only does track and single clicking. It costs $8 on the iPhone side. You start the server on the Mac, and use the info provided on the Snatch application on the iPhone to connect to it. If you set a password (which is recommended), you of course will be required to enter it. There are probably faster ways of doing this and less frustrating ones, but this is probably a pretty obvious one. I'm assuming the app for the iPhone is in the store somewhere. Regards, Nic On Oct 4, 2009, at 2:10 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, I'd imagine you have to use the IP provided when starting the server to connect the iPhone or iPod. I have no idea how that's accomplished, though. I supposed I really should check the manual. Regards, Nic On Oct 4, 2009, at 1:33 AM, May McDonald wrote: I also have it installed but can't figure out how to get it to see my IPhone. Another new thing to figure out, lol. On 3-Oct-09, at 4:20 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, I just downloaded the app, and it seems to be extremely accessible. Now, as I said, I do not have an iPhone but even connecting seems to be working smoothly. Doesn't look like people should have any issues. Regards, Nic On Oct 4, 2009, at 1:15 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, Great. It seems like it's supposed to do just what it is asking for. Hopefully it will actually be recognized. Regards, Nic On Oct 4, 2009, at 1:13 AM, May McDonald wrote: I'll try it and see if it works. On 3-Oct-09, at 4:12 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, An applcation for the Mac called Snatch, allows the iPhone to function as a wireless trackpad, albeit an overfeatured one. That is the one way recall you can do it, but I don't know it if it accessible. http://hoofien.com/Snatch/Home.html Definitely feel free to try it out. I'm curious about this one. There might be easier ways to do it, and I'd like to hear them. Regards, Nic On Oct 4, 2009, at 1:07 AM, May McDonald wrote: How do you do that? On 3-Oct-09, at 3:07 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: I don't think you can get any usb touchpad, but you can use an Iphone as a touchpad for your Mac. Best regards Søren Jensen Mail MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ On Oct 3, 2009, at 11:45 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, I haven't heard of any USB trackpads yet. If they do exist, though, I hope someone can enlighten me. Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 11:43 PM, hank smith wrote: where can I get one for mac?? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: usb touch pad for mac?
Oo, nice. On Oct 4, 2009, at 2:15 AM, peter apgar wrote: check out: www.macrumors.com On Oct 3, 2009, at 6:07 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: I don't think you can get any usb touchpad, but you can use an Iphone as a touchpad for your Mac. Best regards Søren Jensen Mail MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ On Oct 3, 2009, at 11:45 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, I haven't heard of any USB trackpads yet. If they do exist, though, I hope someone can enlighten me. Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 11:43 PM, hank smith wrote: where can I get one for mac?? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: creating libraries and switching between libraries in itues?
If you hold down the option key as you are launching iTunes, you'll be given the opportunity to create a new library. (And where to put it, too.) Then, just do the same again (hold the option key) when you launch iTunes and you'll be asked to choose which library you want to use. Hope this helps. hank smith wrote: hello how do I accomplish these 2 tasks? I want several libraries for different purposes how do I do this in itunes also how do I switch librieis? also how do I name the default library it is using now? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
